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http://www.bipolarodyssey.com/infections.htm Thorazine inhibits candida species. (Yeast infections are implicated in autism, leaky gut, psychosis.) Calmodulin activity has been identified in retroviruses. This is particularly important because as stated in the book, retroviruses are now implicated in schizophrenia. Like Lyme disease, Toxoplasma gondii is more prevalent in psychiatric patients than the general population. Further, drugs used in the treatment of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder inhibit the replication of Toxoplasma gondii. We tested 12 neuroleptic compounds and found that of these, the antipsychotic haloperidol and the mood stabilizer valproic acid most effectively inhibit Toxoplasma growth in vitro. Several medications used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder have the ability to inhibit the in vitro replication of T. gondii.Intravenous calcium replacement can cause mania; calcium supplementation can increase mania; calcium channels blockers reduce mania. An errant enzyme linked to bipolar disorder, in the brain's prefrontal cortex, impairs cognition under stress, an animal study shows. The disturbed thinking, impaired judgment, impulsivity, and distractibility seen in mania, a destructive phase of bipolar disorder, may be traceable to over activity of protein kinase C (PKC) ... The above suggests that it may be necessary to conceptualize bipolar disorder not as a monolithic psychiatric disorder, but as a collection of heterogeneous biological disorders that can be individually identified and treated. Infection-mediated-excessive PKC may be one such disorder. ... The above description does not do justice to the complexity of processes involved. It describes only one process involving a biomarker of mania, excessive PKC. While PKC is a major player, there is no single explanation for the mechanisms of mania. In fact, there are many up and down regulated proteins in the brains of those who have bipolar disorder, suggesting that no single explanation is sufficient to account for manic symptoms. http://www.mombu.com/medicine/heart/t-diseases-of-the-mind-bipolar-disorder-1466983.html For its part, the parasite Toxoplasma gondii, which can be found in undercooked meat and cat feces, can lead to full-blown psychotic episodes. Some studies suggest that the parasite stimulates the production of a chemical similar to LSD, producing hallucinations and psychosis. Even when the parasite lies dormant in muscle and brain tissue, it can affect attention span and reaction time in otherwise healthy people. Few children avoid coming down with a streptococcus infection, also known as strep. Scientists now think that one in 1,000 strep sufferers also develops abrupt-onset obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) in a matter of weeks. Strep bacteria trigger OCD by igniting an overzealous response from the immune system, which attacks certain types of brain cells, causing inflammation. Symptoms generally die down after a few months but can flare up again, especially if theres another bout of strep, says Susan Swedo, a childhood-disease expert at the National Institutes of Health. The most effective treatment, still experimental, is to filter out the misbehaving antibodies from the blood. Best is to treat strep early on. The specter of a depression germ or contagious obsessive-compulsive disorder is unnerving, but it also opens up many more treatment options antibiotics, vaccines, checking for ticks. Geneticists believe that diseases may trigger the onset of inherited mental illnesses by activating key genes. Avoiding and treating infection may be just as important as the genes you inherit, and a whole lot easier to do something about. http://www.genhealth.com/Products/vitaklenz/parasite_the_silent_killer.htm Microscopic parasites can get into your joints and eat the calcium linings of the bone. This can lead to excruciating arthritis Parasites can eat the protein coating on the nerves (the myelin sheath). This causes a disruption in the nerve signal from the brain. Many times when a person has an inflamed appendix, it is removed and found to be loaded with parasites! Story for you, DB: Story #4: One woman was working in her garden. She had recently taken a special herbal soup to rid her body of parasites. She was weeding the plants when she noticed dozens of barely visible red parasites on her arm. She at first thought they came from the plants. They didn't. They were coming out of the pores of her arms. How can I repair damage to the nerve sheath ... If you get reinfected with parasites they will usually attack the same place they attacked before. . . . Crossed eyes are almost always caused by parasites in the eye focus muscles. . . .Parasite damage to the heart most often afects either the aortic valve or the mitral valve. Damage to the heart valves causes skipped beats, irregular beats, rapid beats, angina, shortness of breath, chest pain,
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Interesting. No, I don't have the links handy, it was university research though, and a few years ago. Just the other day I read a news item about a neurosurgeon that operated to remove a tumor, only to find that the tumor was, in fact a worm. He removed it, of course. I think that was in News of the Wierd (?). I do have a dear friend with bipolar, and one of her main problems was that her brain would develop tolerance to *any* drug she took for her illness. It took months, sometimes as long as a year for her symptoms to return while on medication. They ran out of new drugs to give her, I think. But that sounds to me like a biological process- it is suspiciously close to a resistant infection or maybe parasite. kathryn On Feb 2, 2009, at 2:02 AM, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: I have often speculated about the mechanism of the well-known improvements of electro-convulsive therapy, now carried out with much lower voltage than in the bad old days (see One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest and A Beautiful Mind for painful examples.)I can't help but wonder whether the real benefit comes from destroying or disabling some kind of pathogen, and wondering whether the Bob Beck blood electrification techniques might not do the same thing, albeit more slowly.I have never read of any attempt to test this hypothesis. Are there any links to the egg sack data? For really astonishing data about the pathogens and heavy metals that make it through the blood/brain barrier, check out the work of Y. Omura, M.D., a bona fide genius whose work is far, far too little known. On Sunday, Feb 1, 2009, at 02:23 Asia/Tokyo, Clayton Family wrote: This is all very good, but the link between mental illness and brain damage is too real to pass up. And that egg sacks have been found in the brains of bipolar people is also instructive. It would be interesting to hear if silver passes the brain barrier enough at sufficient quantity to keep the illness to a mild roar. Already there are some antiparasitic drugs that are used for bipolar. There may also be fungal infection of the brain, not to mention brain irritation from various chemicals, etc. We know less than we think. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes, they said there was toxoplasmosis, you know the one from cats that pregnant women are susceptible to. It is the reason why the docs tell women to stay away from cats when they are pregnant. Are you saying MMS crosses the blood brain barrier? Kathryn On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote: Are you saying it is a parasite problem? Hulga Clark said that, but I had not heard it anywhere else. I don't think CS would do much good, but MMS should work very well on parasites. Marshall Clayton Family wrote: This is all very good, but the link between mental illness and brain damage is too real to pass up. And that egg sacks have been found in the brains of bipolar people is also instructive. It would be interesting to hear if silver passes the brain barrier enough at sufficient quantity to keep the illness to a mild roar. Already there are some antiparasitic drugs that are used for bipolar. There may also be fungal infection of the brain, not to mention brain irritation from various chemicals, etc. We know less than we think. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Clayton Family wrote: Yes, they said there was toxoplasmosis, you know the one from cats that pregnant women are susceptible to. It is the reason why the docs tell women to stay away from cats when they are pregnant. Are you saying MMS crosses the blood brain barrier? Kathryn It should, it is chlorine dioxide, and chlorine in the form of salt, and oxygen both cross it, so I suspect that chlorine dioxide will as well. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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thanks, Rowena, great post. On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Rowena wrote: http://www.bipolarodyssey.com/infections.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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http://media2.foxnews.com/112008/worm_tumor_700.wmv Silvia www.redskyahts.com www.imageevent.com/redskyahts Having dogs is like a Rainbow. Puppies are the Joy at one end, Old dogs are the Treasure at the other. Rabies Challenge Fund Seminar http://www.freewebs.com/rcfbenefit2009/ -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder Interesting. No, I don't have the links handy, it was university research though, and a few years ago. Just the other day I read a news item about a neurosurgeon that operated to remove a tumor, only to find that the tumor was, in fact a worm. He removed it, of course. I think that was in News of the Wierd (?). kathryn On Feb 2, 2009, at 2:02 AM, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I see the spacing all got messed up - sorry about that. Also one of the links got tangled up with text, so you will have to trim that, and another one didn't show up plainly at all. http://www.mombu.com/medicine/heart/t-diseases-of-the-mind-bipolar-disorder-1466983.html http://www.genhealth.com/Products/vitaklenz/parasite_the_silent_killer.htm http://books.google.com.au/books?id=Yk7KCPshHIICpg=PA245lpg=PA245dq=nerve+sheath+parasitesource=webots=gotKD4Eziasig=yjx-kj0oRDA7hcT_0QGS-fHxVS4hl=ensa=Xoi=book_resultresnum=10ct=result http://www.drovermannd.com/index.cfm?CFID=436819CFTOKEN=70960484 http://healing.about.com/cs/uc_directory/a/uc_parasites_2.htm http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=399 www.flickr.com/photos/jimfischer/182605629/ http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?art I think I have harvested the links out of the general mess. At least, you will likely be able to navigate from the basic link if you want to and juggle the broken lines a bit, copy and paste or something. thanks, Rowena, great post. On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Rowena wrote: http://www.bipolarodyssey.com/infections.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Jonathan, There is no question that environmental toxins, food born toxins, metals, drugs etc. contribute if not cause all sorts of mental illness and brain disorders. One of the worst offenders is vaccines. IMO the greatest reason for all the suicides in the Armed Forces is due to the horrible vaccines they are forced to take. Our military is being pumped up with formaldehyde, aluminum, and mercury along with several other neurotoxins. That's quite a cocktail for any living thing to endure. Bob - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:02 AM Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder I have often speculated about the mechanism of the well-known improvements of electro-convulsive therapy, now carried out with much lower voltage than in the bad old days (see One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest and A Beautiful Mind for painful examples.)I can't help but wonder whether the real benefit comes from destroying or disabling some kind of pathogen, and wondering whether the Bob Beck blood electrification techniques might not do the same thing, albeit more slowly.I have never read of any attempt to test this hypothesis. Are there any links to the egg sack data? For really astonishing data about the pathogens and heavy metals that make it through the blood/brain barrier, check out the work of Y. Omura, M.D., a bona fide genius whose work is far, far too little known. On Sunday, Feb 1, 2009, at 02:23 Asia/Tokyo, Clayton Family wrote: This is all very good, but the link between mental illness and brain damage is too real to pass up. And that egg sacks have been found in the brains of bipolar people is also instructive. It would be interesting to hear if silver passes the brain barrier enough at sufficient quantity to keep the illness to a mild roar. Already there are some antiparasitic drugs that are used for bipolar. There may also be fungal infection of the brain, not to mention brain irritation from various chemicals, etc. We know less than we think. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Are you saying it is a parasite problem? Hulga Clark said that, but I had not heard it anywhere else. I don't think CS would do much good, but MMS should work very well on parasites. Marshall Clayton Family wrote: This is all very good, but the link between mental illness and brain damage is too real to pass up. And that egg sacks have been found in the brains of bipolar people is also instructive. It would be interesting to hear if silver passes the brain barrier enough at sufficient quantity to keep the illness to a mild roar. Already there are some antiparasitic drugs that are used for bipolar. There may also be fungal infection of the brain, not to mention brain irritation from various chemicals, etc. We know less than we think. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
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I think it is the 'mental parasite,' the ego of acquired conditioning... Dan On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Are you saying it is a parasite problem? Hulga Clark said that, but I had not heard it anywhere else. I don't think CS would do much good, but MMS should work very well on parasites. Marshall Clayton Family wrote: This is all very good, but the link between mental illness and brain damage is too real to pass up. And that egg sacks have been found in the brains of bipolar people is also instructive. It would be interesting to hear if silver passes the brain barrier enough at sufficient quantity to keep the illness to a mild roar. Already there are some antiparasitic drugs that are used for bipolar. There may also be fungal infection of the brain, not to mention brain irritation from various chemicals, etc. We know less than we think. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
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I almost never post here, but this is something I have experience with. A nephew was diagnosed with a rare form of epilepsy at 3 years old. He was on so many meds to quiet him, he was a vegetable. From 2 years old to 3 he turned into a shaking wretch who had over 100 seizures a day. Drs said he would not live to be 18. His head was in a brace so he would not hurt himself. His parents did not want to swallow this diagnose whole, so they sought alternatives. Hulda Clark was one of the alternatives. Among other things, he got dewormed. At 5 years old, he had a totally clean CT scan. Drs cound not believe it. He now is a really bright bratty 12 year old, just a normal kid. What happened was that a dog bit him in the cheek as a 2 year old. The larvae from the common ascarid (common roundworm in dogs) was transferred to his sinuses and went into his brain. The waste from the ascarids caused the seizures. Gayla - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:16 AM Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder I think it is the 'mental parasite,' the ego of acquired conditioning... Dan On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Are you saying it is a parasite problem? Hulga Clark said that, but I had not heard it anywhere else. I don't think CS would do much good, but MMS should work very well on parasites. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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What method of parasite treatment did they use? Gayla Roberts wrote: I almost never post here, but this is something I have experience with. A nephew was diagnosed with a rare form of epilepsy at 3 years old. He was on so many meds to quiet him, he was a vegetable. From 2 years old to 3 he turned into a shaking wretch who had over 100 seizures a day. Drs said he would not live to be 18. His head was in a brace so he would not hurt himself. His parents did not want to swallow this diagnose whole, so they sought alternatives. Hulda Clark was one of the alternatives. Among other things, he got dewormed. At 5 years old, he had a totally clean CT scan. Drs cound not believe it. He now is a really bright bratty 12 year old, just a normal kid. What happened was that a dog bit him in the cheek as a 2 year old. The larvae from the common ascarid (common roundworm in dogs) was transferred to his sinuses and went into his brain. The waste from the ascarids caused the seizures. Gayla -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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You'd be interested by an article that appeared in Readers' Digest long ago. A child was suffering from an undiagnosed illness. I don't recall all the symptoms, but there was frequent brain swelling that necessitated surgeries. The MD, on opening the cranium, was struck by the odor, he thought, of excrement. This he could not believe, and finally decided he was wrong. He wasn't. Playing in a sandbox while visiting relatives, the child had gotten a parasite -- a tapeworm I believe. The parasite had penetrated the blood/brain barrier. The child nearly died before the MDs figured out what had happened. It's very rare, but it's real. I've read H. Clark's books, and give her a lot of credit. The worst thing about her work is the title -- Cure for All Diseases. That's a stretch, and probably turns off many potential readers who'd benefit from her observations. On Tuesday, Feb 3, 2009, at 13:49 Asia/Tokyo, Gayla Roberts wrote: What happened was that a dog bit him in the cheek as a 2 year old. The larvae from the common ascarid (common roundworm in dogs) was transferred to his sinuses and went into his brain. The waste from the ascarids caused the seizures. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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It is more common than people realize. There are many, many people who think humans don't get parasites!!! Gayla Roberts Always Enough Ranch Acampo, CA - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:55 PM Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder You'd be interested by an article that appeared in Readers' Digest long ago. A child was suffering from an undiagnosed illness. I don't recall all the symptoms, but there was frequent brain swelling that necessitated surgeries. The MD, on opening the cranium, was struck by the odor, he thought, of excrement. This he could not believe, and finally decided he was wrong. He wasn't. Playing in a sandbox while visiting relatives, the child had gotten a parasite -- a tapeworm I believe. The parasite had penetrated the blood/brain barrier. The child nearly died before the MDs figured out what had happened. It's very rare, but it's real. I've read H. Clark's books, and give her a lot of credit. The worst thing about her work is the title -- Cure for All Diseases. That's a stretch, and probably turns off many potential readers who'd benefit from her observations. On Tuesday, Feb 3, 2009, at 13:49 Asia/Tokyo, Gayla Roberts wrote: What happened was that a dog bit him in the cheek as a 2 year old. The larvae from the common ascarid (common roundworm in dogs) was transferred to his sinuses and went into his brain. The waste from the ascarids caused the seizures. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I have often speculated about the mechanism of the well-known improvements of electro-convulsive therapy, now carried out with much lower voltage than in the bad old days (see One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest and A Beautiful Mind for painful examples.)I can't help but wonder whether the real benefit comes from destroying or disabling some kind of pathogen, and wondering whether the Bob Beck blood electrification techniques might not do the same thing, albeit more slowly.I have never read of any attempt to test this hypothesis. Are there any links to the egg sack data? For really astonishing data about the pathogens and heavy metals that make it through the blood/brain barrier, check out the work of Y. Omura, M.D., a bona fide genius whose work is far, far too little known. On Sunday, Feb 1, 2009, at 02:23 Asia/Tokyo, Clayton Family wrote: This is all very good, but the link between mental illness and brain damage is too real to pass up. And that egg sacks have been found in the brains of bipolar people is also instructive. It would be interesting to hear if silver passes the brain barrier enough at sufficient quantity to keep the illness to a mild roar. Already there are some antiparasitic drugs that are used for bipolar. There may also be fungal infection of the brain, not to mention brain irritation from various chemicals, etc. We know less than we think. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I assume bipolar and manic/depressive are pretty much the same thing? One of the most manically brilliant of American poets, Robert Lowell, was bipolar (manic/depressive). He was a large, strong man prone to occasional bouts of physical violence. I seem to recall that he once picked up Alan Tate and dangled him out a window, threatening to drop him (he didn't, thankfully). He wrote several books of brilliant poetry, but was so destructive to himself and those around him that they put him on lithium. This calmed him down quite a bit, but critics agree that his poetry was never the same after that. Read his biography if you want to see a fascinating tale of the effects of this illness. I called him once out of the blue when I was just out of college and wanted to be a poet. He was incredibly friendly and spent half an hour on the phone with me trying to help me. Eventually, I became a computer programmer rather than a poet (much to my dismay). Some of the best American poets have been self destructive (Hart Crane, Sylvia Plath), but not all. Wallace Stevens wrote some of the best poetry ever, and he was an insurance salesman all his professional life. I believe he best expresses the essential beauty and absurdity of human existence. Del - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder After having listened to a bipolar justify his problems for years and years...it became clear that he had diametrically conflicting desires and denied having half of themthe half that he couldn't justify, but obviously still pursued fulfillment of. He was a GENIUS that wanted to be a bum, but his ego wouldn't allow it. I kept telling him that so long as he wasn't burden, being a bum needs no justification..and not being a burden takes very little effort if you are willing to live what you want, the way it is. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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This is all very good, but the link between mental illness and brain damage is too real to pass up. And that egg sacks have been found in the brains of bipolar people is also instructive. It would be interesting to hear if silver passes the brain barrier enough at sufficient quantity to keep the illness to a mild roar. Already there are some antiparasitic drugs that are used for bipolar. There may also be fungal infection of the brain, not to mention brain irritation from various chemicals, etc. We know less than we think. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Inhaling will bypass the blood-brain barrier. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat Jan 31 11:23:58 2009 Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder This is all very good, but the link between mental illness and brain damage is too real to pass up. And that egg sacks have been found in the brains of bipolar people is also instructive. It would be interesting to hear if silver passes the brain barrier enough at sufficient quantity to keep the illness to a mild roar. Already there are some antiparasitic drugs that are used for bipolar. There may also be fungal infection of the brain, not to mention brain irritation from various chemicals, etc. We know less than we think. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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are you talking about the detox part of it? On Jan 30, 2009, at 9:34 PM, jesse jukowitz wrote: This might be a bit beyond most but read Dianetics and you will understand this better and actually be able to handle it yourself in many of the cases. Dr. Jesse Jutkowitz www.ADVBIOSTRUCTURALCORR.com Institute for Advanced BioStructural Correction™ 340 Fairmount Terrace, Fairfield, CT 06825 203.366.2746 www.advbiostructuralcorr.com Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead Advanced BioStructural Correction™ - we are changing the face of healthcare in the world for the better. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.com wrote: I have been reading with much interest the threads about bi-polar. My husband has wanted me to find more information out about the condition. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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http://healingbodyspirit.blogspot.com/2008/08/bipolar-disorder-and-depression-is.html says in part: . I have long believed that candida has a role in depression and Bipolar Disorder and I am not alone. Dr. William Crook, author of The Yeast Connection, and Dr.C .Orian Truss, author of The Missing Diagnosis and other physicians suggest this is the case, although more research needs to be done. According to Dr. Sherry Rogers, author of Depression Cured at Last, says depression always involves a seriously malabsorptive state and gut that needs to be cleaned out. or needs to be fixedas soon as possible.Celiac disease and candida contributes to malabsorption. So research COCONUT OIL Thyroid Function Bipolar Disorder There is currently an investigation on low thyroid and candida relationships connecting bipolar disorder and celiac disease. There is a clear connection between the process of thyroid hormone regulation and bipolar disorder. ... so research MAGNASCENT iodine (www.magnascent.com) Poor intestinal flora can contribute to depression by altering the immune system. ... In depression, there is an increase in inflammatory cytokines . By increasing these cytokines, intestinal bacteria have been shown to induce depression, anxiety and cognition impairment. Unsaturated oils block thyroid hormone secretion, its movement in the circulatory system, and the response of tissues to the hormone. Coconut oil is unique in its ability to prevent weight-gain or cure obesity, by stimulating metabolism. It is quickly metabolized, and functions in some ways as an antioxidant. .. ( I was told the other day that the Omegas have an effect,which is why VCNO helps - but the antiparasitic action is a strong contender too) Here we are - a mention - Omega 3 deficiency contributes to Bipolar Disorder and Depression Omega-3s are a safe, simple, natural treatment for depression, mental health, and enhancing mood without side effects.) ... benefits of fish oil and help readers restore their natural balance of omega-3 fatty acids, which are found in high concentrations in the brain The brain requires more omega-3 and fatty acids than any other system in the body. According to Dr. Stoll, without omega-3s, the brain cannot function normally, so even the most powerful antidepressants will be unable to improve mood. For optimum health, omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids should be eaten in nearly equal proportions... Evening Primrose is another Omega 3 that is particularly helpful for PMS (premenstrual syndrome), irritability, mood swings, and cramps. http://enjoyingyourhealth.com/2008/10/13/essential-oils-are-good-for-bipolar-people/ Dr. Ann Blake Tracy has long taught that essential oils from Young Living are useful for bipolar people (including children) and others affected by mood disorders. ...Helichrysum will chelate heavy metals from your system and will also chelate the results of plastics pollution throughout your body... When you go to Oil Testimonials, you'll want to search the keywords relating to mood swings, bipolar disorder, brain, etc. http://enjoyingyourhealth.com/category/using-therapeutic-grade-essential-oils-to-manage-bipolar/ http://www.revolutionhealth.com/drugs-treatments/rating/aromatherapy-essential-oils-for-bipolar-i-disorder a subgroup of bipolar disorder patients are deficient in arachidonic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid. They have developed three primary biochemical ... www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV8Tb2ONjxU The son of a friend of mine married a girl with bipolar, and she received treatment to her ears, some kind of clips or needles - forget what it is called - someone here may know. Possibly magnetic, acupuncture related. This was a clinic in Queensland. Rowena Not really, but the last I read, there were some intrepid college students finding a link with parasites (toxoplasmosis). They found that antiparasitic drugs helped bipolar people, and the bipolar drugs killed the toxo in the test tubes. There may be other cause for bipolar, too. Kathryn On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote: Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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After having listened to a bipolar justify his problems for years and years...it became clear that he had diametrically conflicting desires and denied having half of themthe half that he couldn't justify, but obviously still pursued fulfillment of. He was a GENIUS that wanted to be a bum, but his ego wouldn't allow it. I kept telling him that so long as he wasn't burden, being a bum needs no justification..and not being a burden takes very little effort if you are willing to live what you want, the way it is. He COULD move the world couldn't get over the idea that he SHOULD, but didn't want to...so, every time he went down that path and got somewhere, he'd trip himself up and feel guilty about it, then blame someone or something else for falling. Feeling guilty is depressing and blame does nothing. He became addicted to the depression chemicals he justified into being and sought the alcohol analog to keep himself there, believing he *should be* stable...one way or the other...falling victim to his own absolutism. He went to the-rapist a lot, but chose the back end of the mind f*ck...pills. Mental imbalance causes chemical imbalance. Just owning your own see saw without judgement... helps a bunch. No one is not conflicted. A Bipolar believes he shouldn't be, splits himself in two and goes for both absolutes in turns. In that guys case, his heart eventually exploded. Anti whatever drugs can serve as a book mark this page grounding point to remind you what *good* feels like. Beyond that, they just enable denial and delay. Lookie. Humans are CRAZY. It's OK to be one and be uncertain who you are and what you want. That's called normal My friend thought he had to be sane, that someone else got to define what that was. and he didn't like that definition. I was headed that way, but chose unreasonable happiness as a means to see the humor in conflict. By brain chemistry followed right along as I did completely pointless things to prove to me that I didn't need to make sense to myself. Specifically..Having not eaten or slept in 3 days and having no desire to stay alive, couldn't find any reasons anywhereCRAWLED to the mail box to check the mail on Sunday, 4 times. It's a pretty long muddy driveway and such a ridiculous thing to do, that I just HAD to laugh. [Still laughing 12 years later ] Book mark that page What ...me SERIOUS? go bang your head on a wall till you can't stop laughing at how dumb you are. Better yet, go bash your brains out on a big fluffy pillow and don't stop till you do. Let me guess: This Bipolar person is VERY intelligent. Well I AM smart enough to be EXACTLY that stupid. ..NOT qualified to know what I want...half manic will do. Wing it and see what happens. Since ANYTHING can be justified, complete opposites CAN be, equally reasonable. It doesn't matter which you choose to enhance with illogic, both directions operate the same way. ..and you don't have to BE there, to travel. Ya never know where you're going, anyhow. All ya ever got is the way you walk.. What you can't freekin know, doesn't freekin matter. This sucks...means... I believe I know where I am. Isn't what you REALLY want, what you DON'T know? Then not knowing where you're going, is the way there. .so stick one foot in your pocket and get going. The dumber it looks, the better it'll work to walk away from your previous smart. THIS Ode At 08:45 PM 1/29/2009 +0100, you wrote: the only thing I can think of is therapy in order for her to learn how to live with her disorder more easily and I think a good idea would be for your friend to inform himself what to expect from this disorder and also how to live with it maybe with a therapist as well. I would strongly recommend Gestalt therapy, I think it is a very realistic and earth bound therapy... Erik 2009/1/29 Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.commdud...@king-cart.com Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com -- Erik No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 1/29/2009 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1925 - Release Date: 1/30/2009
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Yes, when I saw that request for advice about dating a bi-polar my first instict was to post back, RUN!, having had an experience similar to yours. But then I thought it might be instructive to see what others had to say first. Personally, I'd still stick with RUN!, but no-one ever heeds *that* advice, IME. Cheers, indi On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:23:20AM -0500, Ode Coyote wrote: After having listened to a bipolar justify his problems for years and years...it became clear that he had diametrically conflicting desires and denied having half of themthe half that he couldn't justify, but obviously still pursued fulfillment of. He was a GENIUS that wanted to be a bum, but his ego wouldn't allow it. I kept telling him that so long as he wasn't burden, being a bum needs no justification..and not being a burden takes very little effort if you are willing to live what you want, the way it is. He COULD move the world couldn't get over the idea that he SHOULD, but didn't want to...so, every time he went down that path and got somewhere, he'd trip himself up and feel guilty about it, then blame someone or something else for falling. Feeling guilty is depressing and blame does nothing. He became addicted to the depression chemicals he justified into being and sought the alcohol analog to keep himself there, believing he *should be* stable...one way or the other...falling victim to his own absolutism. He went to the-rapist a lot, but chose the back end of the mind f*ck...pills. Mental imbalance causes chemical imbalance. Just owning your own see saw without judgement... helps a bunch. No one is not conflicted. A Bipolar believes he shouldn't be, splits himself in two and goes for both absolutes in turns. In that guys case, his heart eventually exploded. Anti whatever drugs can serve as a book mark this page grounding point to remind you what *good* feels like. Beyond that, they just enable denial and delay. Lookie. Humans are CRAZY. It's OK to be one and be uncertain who you are and what you want. That's called normal My friend thought he had to be sane, that someone else got to define what that was. and he didn't like that definition. I was headed that way, but chose unreasonable happiness as a means to see the humor in conflict. By brain chemistry followed right along as I did completely pointless things to prove to me that I didn't need to make sense to myself. Specifically..Having not eaten or slept in 3 days and having no desire to stay alive, couldn't find any reasons anywhereCRAWLED to the mail box to check the mail on Sunday, 4 times. It's a pretty long muddy driveway and such a ridiculous thing to do, that I just HAD to laugh. [Still laughing 12 years later ] Book mark that page What ...me SERIOUS? go bang your head on a wall till you can't stop laughing at how dumb you are. Better yet, go bash your brains out on a big fluffy pillow and don't stop till you do. Let me guess: This Bipolar person is VERY intelligent. Well I AM smart enough to be EXACTLY that stupid. ..NOT qualified to know what I want...half manic will do. Wing it and see what happens. Since ANYTHING can be justified, complete opposites CAN be, equally reasonable. It doesn't matter which you choose to enhance with illogic, both directions operate the same way. ..and you don't have to BE there, to travel. Ya never know where you're going, anyhow. All ya ever got is the way you walk.. What you can't freekin know, doesn't freekin matter. This sucks...means... I believe I know where I am. Isn't what you REALLY want, what you DON'T know? Then not knowing where you're going, is the way there. .so stick one foot in your pocket and get going. The dumber it looks, the better it'll work to walk away from your previous smart. THIS Ode At 08:45 PM 1/29/2009 +0100, you wrote: the only thing I can think of is therapy in order for her to learn how to live with her disorder more easily and I think a good idea would be for your friend to inform himself what to expect from this disorder and also how to live with it maybe with a therapist as well. I would strongly recommend Gestalt therapy, I think it is a very realistic and earth bound therapy... Erik 2009/1/29 Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.commdud...@king-cart.com Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and
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I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in. My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. We all know he has it, the doctor's diagnosed him as bi-polar, but of course no one was telling him the truth and he wouldn't listen to anyone. He was fine and we were all wrong. He is extremely manipulative, even to the point of calling everyone and saying he is ready to commit suicide so that he can again get his way. Everyone else is wrong and he is not. I told him he could stay with us if he took the medicine prescribed. He was wonderful with the drugs in his system, but he stopped within a week because he didn't like the way he felt. He used every excuse to stop taking the pills. We tried another but again he didn't like the results. Finally he just wouldn't take them anymore. He can look you straight in the eye and tell you something, which we all know is an absolute lie, but he believes only himself. I know it is a foul-up in brain chemistry, but he has to help himself which he is neither able or willing to do. My daughter told us horror stories, but only having him live with us did we see firsthand about this disease. She hung in there for 5+ years, but finally gave up the good fight, and this was the only way to save herself from years of misery, and even death. She now has a PFA against him. This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. What a terrible way to have to live. He may be an extreme case, so I can't say if there is a bi-polar person that isn't like this. But I have to agree with Indi - RUN, DON'T WALK. We tried to help him, so we have no remorse. Bernadette - Original Message - From: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder Yes, when I saw that request for advice about dating a bi-polar my first instict was to post back, RUN!, having had an experience similar to yours. But then I thought it might be instructive to see what others had to say first. Personally, I'd still stick with RUN!, but no-one ever heeds *that* advice, IME. Cheers, indi On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:23:20AM -0500, Ode Coyote wrote: After having listened to a bipolar justify his problems for years and years...it became clear that he had diametrically conflicting desires and denied having half of themthe half that he couldn't justify, but obviously still pursued fulfillment of. He was a GENIUS that wanted to be a bum, but his ego wouldn't allow it. I kept telling him that so long as he wasn't burden, being a bum needs no justification..and not being a burden takes very little effort if you are willing to live what you want, the way it is. He COULD move the world couldn't get over the idea that he SHOULD, but didn't want to...so, every time he went down that path and got somewhere, he'd trip himself up and feel guilty about it, then blame someone or something else for falling. Feeling guilty is depressing and blame does nothing. He became addicted to the depression chemicals he justified into being and sought the alcohol analog to keep himself there, believing he *should be* stable...one way or the other...falling victim to his own absolutism. He went to the-rapist a lot, but chose the back end of the mind f*ck...pills. Mental imbalance causes chemical imbalance. Just owning your own see saw without judgement... helps a bunch. No one is not conflicted. A Bipolar believes he shouldn't be, splits himself in two and goes for both absolutes in turns. In that guys case, his heart eventually exploded. Anti whatever drugs can serve as a book mark this page grounding point to remind you what *good* feels like. Beyond that, they just enable denial and delay. Lookie. Humans are CRAZY. It's OK to be one and be uncertain who you are and what you want. That's called normal My friend thought he had to be sane, that someone else got to define what that was. and he didn't like that definition. I was headed that way, but chose unreasonable happiness as a means to see the humor in conflict. By brain chemistry followed right along as I did completely pointless things to prove to me that I didn't need to make sense to myself. Specifically..Having not eaten or slept in 3 days and having no desire to stay alive, couldn't find any reasons anywhereCRAWLED to the mail box to check the mail on Sunday, 4 times. It's a pretty long muddy driveway and such a ridiculous thing to do, that I just HAD to laugh. [Still laughing 12 years later ] Book mark that page What ...me SERIOUS? go bang your head on a wall till you can't stop laughing at how dumb you are. Better yet, go bash your brains out on a big fluffy pillow and don't stop till you do. Let me guess: This Bipolar person
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My beautiful, super intelligent sister was diagnosed with this after two cosmetic nose surgeries. All her life she had been high strung, but not sick. She had trouble healing from the surgery and then became paranoid. Her wonderful husband had no idea she got involved with an obese security man. The man claimed he would take care of her and get her cured so she left her 20 yr marriage. Eventually the security man couldn't take her abuse. Now she is in court for damaging his property. She gets extremely angry, talks nonstop, argues, leaves 20 phone messages a day. Cymbalta made her dizzy so she was falling in the morning. Loxapene - anti psychotic - makes her anxious. So she goes off meds or self medicates w/valium or ativan. She doesn't realize how bad she's doing until she's arrested. She's been in and out of hospitals and tried to commit suicide. Everyone else is wrong. I don't know what's going to happen, and I can barely take it. Jess -Original Message- From: Bernadette [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in. My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. We all know he has it, the doctor's diagnosed him as bi-polar, but of course no one was telling him the truth and he wouldn't listen to anyone. He was fine and we were all wrong. He is extremely manipulative, even to the point of calling everyone and saying he is ready to commit suicide so that he can again get his way. Everyone else is wrong and he is not. I told him he could stay with us if he took the medicine prescribed. He was wonderful with the drugs in his system, but he stopped within a week because he didn't like the way he felt. He used every excuse to stop taking the pills. We tried another but again he didn't like the results. Finally he just wouldn't take them anymore. He can look you straight in the eye and tell you something, which we all know is an absolute lie, but he believes only himself. I know it is a foul-up in brain chemistry, but he has to help himself which he is neither able or willing to do. My daughter told us horror stories, but only having him live with us did we see firsthand about this disease. She hung in there for 5+ years, but finally gave up the good fight, and this was the only way to save herself from years of misery, and even death. She now has a PFA against him. This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. What a terrible way to have to live. He may be an extreme case, so I can't say if there is a bi-polar person that isn't like this. But I have to agree with Indi - RUN, DON'T WALK. We tried to help him, so we have no remorse. Bernadette - Original Message - From: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder Yes, when I saw that request for advice about dating a bi-polar my first instict was to post back, RUN!, having had an experience similar to yours. But then I thought it might be instructive to see what others had to say first. Personally, I'd still stick with RUN!, but no-one ever heeds *that* advice, IME. Cheers, indi On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:23:20AM -0500, Ode Coyote wrote: After having listened to a bipolar justify his problems for years and years...it became clear that he had diametrically conflicting desires and denied having half of themthe half that he couldn't justify, but obviously still pursued fulfillment of. He was a GENIUS that wanted to be a bum, but his ego wouldn't allow it. I kept telling him that so long as he wasn't burden, being a bum needs no justification..and not being a burden takes very little effort if you are willing to live what you want, the way it is. He COULD move the world couldn't get over the idea that he SHOULD, but didn't want to...so, every time he went down that path and got somewhere, he'd trip himself up and feel guilty about it, then blame someone or something else for falling. Feeling guilty is depressing and blame does nothing. He became addicted to the depression chemicals he justified into being and sought the alcohol analog to keep himself there, believing he *should be* stable...one way or the other...falling victim to his own absolutism. He went to the-rapist a lot, but chose the back end of the mind f*ck...pills. Mental imbalance causes chemical imbalance. Just owning your own see saw without judgement... helps a bunch. No one is not conflicted. A Bipolar believes he shouldn't be, splits himself in two and goes for both absolutes in turns. In that guys case, his heart eventually exploded. Anti whatever drugs can serve as a book mark this page grounding point
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I have been reading with much interest the threads about bi-polar. My husband has wanted me to find more information out about the condition. My husbands father was bi-polar. At one point he was trying to sell the family home out from under everyone. He was going to take the money and run. They finally were able to get him treatment but if he went off it he went back to his paranoid exsitence. He would call us in Florida and would only talk to my husband. When he was on medication he was much more normal. He lived to be 95, married to my mother-in-law until she died at 83. To me she was a saint to go thru what she did for years. We also have a good friend who was married to a bi-polar. They bought a large thoroughbred farm in New York. She appeared normal but wasn't. We would go visit and one day she would be warm and cordial and the next wouldn't speak to anyone. He came back to Florida to visit with his sons from previous marriage and when he called to make arranagement for her to pick him up at the airport she told him not to bother coming home. She moved the farm manager into the house to replace him. She was off her meds. He lost millions. Knowing someone has this problem up front and considering a relationship is playing with fire. RUN. Dianne From: bernade...@pa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:47:21 -0500 I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in. My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. We all know he has it, the doctor's diagnosed him as bi-polar, but of course no one was telling him the truth and he wouldn't listen to anyone. He was fine and we were all wrong. He is extremely manipulative, even to the point of calling everyone and saying he is ready to commit suicide so that he can again get his way. Everyone else is wrong and he is not. I told him he could stay with us if he took the medicine prescribed. He was wonderful with the drugs in his system, but he stopped within a week because he didn't like the way he felt. He used every excuse to stop taking the pills. We tried another but again he didn't like the results. Finally he just wouldn't take them anymore. He can look you straight in the eye and tell you something, which we all know is an absolute lie, but he believes only himself. I know it is a foul-up in brain chemistry, but he has to help himself which he is neither able or willing to do. My daughter told us horror stories, but only having him live with us did we see firsthand about this disease. She hung in there for 5+ years, but finally gave up the good fight, and this was the only way to save herself from years of misery, and even death. She now has a PFA against him. This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. What a terrible way to have to live. He may be an extreme case, so I can't say if there is a bi-polar person that isn't like this. But I have to agree with Indi - RUN, DON'T WALK. We tried to help him, so we have no remorse. Bernadette
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This might be a bit beyond most but read Dianetics and you will understand this better and actually be able to handle it yourself in many of the cases. Dr. Jesse Jutkowitzwww.ADVBIOSTRUCTURALCORR.com Institute for Advanced BioStructural Correction™ 340 Fairmount Terrace, Fairfield, CT 06825 203.366.2746 www.advbiostructuralcorr.com Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead Advanced BioStructural Correction™ - we are changing the face of healthcare in the world for the better. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.comwrote: I have been reading with much interest the threads about bi-polar. My husband has wanted me to find more information out about the condition. My husbands father was bi-polar. At one point he was trying to sell the family home out from under everyone. He was going to take the money and run. They finally were able to get him treatment but if he went off it he went back to his paranoid exsitence. He would call us in Florida and would only talk to my husband. When he was on medication he was much more normal. He lived to be 95, married to my mother-in-law until she died at 83. To me she was a saint to go thru what she did for years. We also have a good friend who was married to a bi-polar. They bought a large thoroughbred farm in New York. She appeared normal but wasn't. We would go visit and one day she would be warm and cordial and the next wouldn't speak to anyone. He came back to Florida to visit with his sons from previous marriage and when he called to make arranagement for her to pick him up at the airport she told him not to bother coming home. She moved the farm manager into the house to replace him. She was off her meds. He lost millions. Knowing someone has this problem up front and considering a relationship is playing with fire. *RUN*. Dianne From: bernade...@pa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:47:21 -0500 I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in. My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. We all know he has it, the doctor's diagnosed him as bi-polar, but of course no one was telling him the truth and he wouldn't listen to anyone. He was fine and we were all wrong. He is extremely manipulative, even to the point of calling everyone and saying he is ready to commit suicide so that he can again get his way. Everyone else is wrong and he is not. I told him he could stay with us if he took the medicine prescribed. He was wonderful with the drugs in his system, but he stopped within a week because he didn't like the way he felt. He used every excuse to stop taking the pills. We tried another but again he didn't like the results. Finally he just wouldn't take them anymore. He can look you straight in the eye and tell you something, which we all know is an absolute lie, but he believes only himself. I know it is a foul-up in brain chemistry, but he has to help himself which he is neither able or willing to do. My daughter told us horror stories, but only having him live with us did we see firsthand about this disease. She hung in there for 5+ years, but finally gave up the good fight, and this was the only way to save herself from years of misery, and even death. She now has a PFA against him. This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. What a terrible way to have to live. He may be an extreme case, so I can't say if there is a bi-polar person that isn't like this. But I have to agree with Indi - RUN, DON'T WALK. We tried to help him, so we have no remorse. Bernadette
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Dianne wrote: Knowing someone has this problem up front and considering a relationship is playing with fire. RUN. Bernadette adds: I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in. My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. Indi chimes in: RUN, DON'T WALK. There's a big difference between finding yourself already in a relationship of some kind (parent? sibling? child?) with someone with this diagnosis, and taking it on VOLUNTARILY. It is a really tough thing to live with. Although my BIL has been relatively stable since 2002, when he was diagnosed, we are still very concerned about some of his actions. My SIL was also diagnosed in 2002, having gone from a soaring high-profile life with a money's-no-object spouse to bankruptcy in a matter of months. She has had two more relapses, and I'm guessing that's why she can't find a job these days (employment law notwithstanding). We want nothing but the best for our family members, but if I found myself in a new relationship with one of these folks? I'd be heading for the hills as fast as my feet would take me. You just never know how the disease will manifest itself. Drug addiction? Sex addiction? Spending sprees? Stupid decisions? Linda The Truly Educated Never Graduate
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 07:37:27PM -0800, Linda Ellis wrote: We want nothing but the best for our family members, but if I found myself in a new relationship with one of these folks? I'd be heading for the hills as fast as my feet would take me. You just never know how the disease will manifest itself. Drug addiction? Sex addiction? Spending sprees? Stupid decisions? Don't forget extreme paranoia, delusions of grandeur, violence, and stalking behavior. It's *way* easier to get involved than to get uninvolved with them, believe me. indi -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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There are highly functional and solid bipolars out there when properly medicated. It seems to me it is also the responsibility of the family to know the ends of the string, so to speak to do the proper thing and not get emeshed in bad behavior or symptoms. It is also clear that you have to make a commitment and follow through on some things. Some people sucede. It's just that simple. That's not to put down any horror stories. I've seen these too. But from the outside it always comes back to choice and personal responsibility. Responsibility is the ability to respond. =z= The novelist, journalist and psychologist Michael Zangari http://zangarijournalism.com --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Linda Ellis lellis4...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Linda Ellis lellis4...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 10:37 PM Dianne wrote: Knowing someone has this problem up front and considering a relationship is playing with fire. RUN. Bernadette adds: I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in. My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. Indi chimes in: RUN, DON'T WALK. There's a big difference between finding yourself already in a relationship of some kind (parent? sibling? child?) with someone with this diagnosis, and taking it on VOLUNTARILY. It is a really tough thing to live with. Although my BIL has been relatively stable since 2002, when he was diagnosed, we are still very concerned about some of his actions. My SIL was also diagnosed in 2002, having gone from a soaring high-profile life with a money's-no-object spouse to bankruptcy in a matter of months. She has had two more relapses, and I'm guessing that's why she can't find a job these days (employment law notwithstanding). We want nothing but the best for our family members, but if I found myself in a new relationship with one of these folks? I'd be heading for the hills as fast as my feet would take me. You just never know how the disease will manifest itself. Drug addiction? Sex addiction? Spending sprees? Stupid decisions? Linda The Truly Educated Never Graduate
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Learning the disease also helps. You can watch cycles and medicate at the right
time to prevent disaster. In twenty year or so of doing professional therapy I
have known more sucessful bi-polar people than not. I have seen some real
tragedy too.
=z=
The novelist, journalist and psychologist
Michael Zangari
http://zangarijournalism.com
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I have been reading with much interest the threads about bi-polar.
My husband has wanted me to find more information out about the
condition.
My husbands father was bi-polar. At one point he was trying to
sell the family home out from under everyone. He was going to
take the money and run. They finally were able to get him
treatment but if he went off it he went back to his paranoid
exsitence. He would call us in Florida and would only talk
to my husband. When he was on medication he was much
more normal. He lived to be 95, married to my mother-in-law
until she died at 83. To me she was a saint to go thru what
she did for years.
We also have a good friend who was married to a bi-polar.
They bought a large thoroughbred farm in New York. She
appeared normal but wasn't. We would go visit and one
day she would be warm and cordial and the next wouldn't
speak to anyone. He came back to Florida to visit with his
sons from previous marriage and when he called to make
arranagement for her to pick him up at the airport she
told him not to bother coming home. She moved the farm
manager into the house to replace him. She was off her
meds. He lost millions.
Knowing someone has this problem up front and considering
a relationship is playing with fire. RUN.
Dianne
From: bernade...@pa.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:47:21 -0500
I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in.
My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. We all know he has it,
the doctor's diagnosed him as bi-polar, but of course no one was telling him
the truth and he wouldn't listen to anyone. He was fine and we were all
wrong.
He is extremely manipulative, even to the point of calling everyone and
saying he is ready to commit suicide so that he can again get his way.
Everyone else is wrong and he is not. I told him he could stay with us if
he took the medicine prescribed. He was wonderful with the drugs in his
system, but he stopped within a week because he didn't like the way he felt.
He used every excuse to stop taking the pills. We tried another but again
he didn't like the results. Finally he just wouldn't take them anymore.
He can look you straight in the eye and tell you something, which we all
know is an absolute lie, but he believes only himself. I know it is a
foul-up in brain chemistry, but he has to help himself which he is neither
able or willing to do. My daughter told us horror stories, but only having
him live with us did we see firsthand about this disease. She hung in there
for 5+ years, but finally gave up the good fight, and this was the only way
to save herself from years of misery, and even death. She now has a PFA
against him.
This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so
quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs
recreational drugs to pull himself back up. What a terrible way to have to
live. He may be an extreme case, so I can't say if there is a bi-polar
person that isn't like this.
But I have to agree with Indi - RUN, DON'T WALK. We tried to help him, so
we have no remorse.
Bernadette
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Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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the only thing I can think of is therapy in order for her to learn how to live with her disorder more easily and I think a good idea would be for your friend to inform himself what to expect from this disorder and also how to live with it maybe with a therapist as well. I would strongly recommend Gestalt therapy, I think it is a very realistic and earth bound therapy... Erik 2009/1/29 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Erik
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Marshall, There is a supplement from Canada that has been said to work wonders on people with bi-polar. I'll have to look it up as I can't think of the name for now. If she is taking Lithium make sure she knows to take Fish Oil with it as it is known to mitigate the damage from the drug. I will look up the supplement and post it. Paula - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: CSBipolar disorder Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Marshall, Treatment of this disorder has traditionally been with Lithium Carbonate...but requires a lot of monitoring (blood tests, etc.) via a psychiatrist/MD to get a stable blood serum level. I know a couple of practitioners who have had some success (they said they did) using Lithium Orotate which is available over the counter and basing the dose on how you feel. One of them had used EFT in conjunction with the Lithium Orotate and made good progress...especially since the person could do EFT themselves...but it also required that they have someone around that could tell them that they were moving into an up/down phase. Sufferers usually don't know until they are well into the phase. Having said that, bipolar is a tough one to diagnose and to get under control. When I was 21/22 it was suspected that I had this (actually was due to dr's prescribing Valium for a number of years and the ups and downs that came with that) and it wasn't fun taking the Lithium Carbonate...but fortunately I didn't have bipolar. Hypo/hyper thyroid can also look like bipolar. That's what I know or have been told. Regards, Craig Marshall Dudley wrote: Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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My son (31, married, 2 kids) has found that one caffeine tablet knocks his moods right out! He never takes any coffee, tea or colas, so it really does some good. His lithium never worked very well.Hope this helps. Marshalee 2009/1/29 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall
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We have two family members who are bipolar. It's possible to work on this holistically, but really, really hard. My brother-in-law is diligent about checking his blood, and does pretty well in moderating things with Lithium. My sister-in-law has not been so successful. Here are some things that have caused real trouble for her. 1) A proper diet is critical - I don't know what the proper diet would be, but it's not just one thing. 2) NO ALCOHOL OR DRUGS. 3) Proper sleep cycles, every night. As I said, it's a LOT of hard work to manage bipolar holistically, and the person has to really want to do that work. In my experience, doing all the research for someone and giving them the info doesn't work very well. I have tried it a couple of times - once with a terminal cancer patient, and once about childhood vaccines. Both people realized I was trying to be compassionate and helpful, but neither ever followed up on any of the research. The cancer person died, and the mother of the children just said there's nothing I can do. They have to have the vaccines to be allowed into school. Bipolar is at least as tough as that - maybe tougher, because when they're in a manic high they are often super-productive. They think they're cured and stop medications, or loosen up on their routines, and by the time people around them realize they're crashing, it's too late Linda The Truly Educated Never Graduate From: Marshalee Hallett utahpug...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:54:19 PM Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder My son (31, married, 2 kids) has found that one caffeine tablet knocks his moods right out! He never takes any coffee, tea or colas, so it really does some good. His lithium never worked very well. Hope this helps. Marshalee 2009/1/29 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall
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A lot of good valuable information on holistically working with bipolar can be find on the web sites discussing Abrahm Hoffer, a Canadian psychiatrist. His success is well known in the alternative circles but not discussed in mainstream too much. If I find the Townsend newsletter about it I will post that too. Just found this as a quick reference from which one can work onwards to find the information http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Rapid-Rise-in-Bipolar-Diagnoses-Among-U-S--Youth-35127.aspx At 06:15 AM 30/01/2009, you wrote: the only thing I can think of is therapy in order for her to learn how to live with her disorder more easily and I think a good idea would be for your friend to inform himself what to expect from this disorder and also how to live with it maybe with a therapist as well. I would strongly recommend Gestalt therapy, I think it is a very realistic and earth bound therapy... Erik 2009/1/29 Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.commdud...@king-cart.com Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com -- Erik --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090129-0, 29/01/2009 Tested on: 30/01/2009 8:18:08 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
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That should have been this link: http://www.orthomolecular.org/history/hoffer/index.shtml A lot of good valuable information on holistically working with bipolar can be find on the web sites discussing Abrahm Hoffer, a Canadian psychiatrist. His success is well known in the alternative circles but not discussed in mainstream too much. If I find the Townsend newsletter about it I will post that too. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090129-0, 29/01/2009 Tested on: 30/01/2009 8:25:30 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I seem to recall having read that EPA/DHA fish oil can significantly modulate/moderate the condition. This seems plausible based on considerable reading about this powerful nutriceutical. I once stumbled on a site selling crystals. Natural lithium crystals, reputed to have an influence on bi-polar condition, were sold out. As a pharmaceutical, lithium's use is well known. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium Could lithium crystals have a beneficial influence? There would be nothing to lose and much to gain from experimenting, but I would start with LEF brand fish oil first. It's annual clearance sale now, BTW. On Friday, Jan 30, 2009, at 04:26 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote: Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Not really, but the last I read, there were some intrepid college students finding a link with parasites (toxoplasmosis). They found that antiparasitic drugs helped bipolar people, and the bipolar drugs killed the toxo in the test tubes. There may be other cause for bipolar, too. Kathryn On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote: Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Don't forget the Crazy Water. www.famouswater.com On Jan 29, 2009, at 8:02 PM, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: I seem to recall having read that EPA/DHA fish oil can significantly modulate/moderate the condition. This seems plausible based on considerable reading about this powerful nutriceutical. I once stumbled on a site selling crystals. Natural lithium crystals, reputed to have an influence on bi-polar condition, were sold out. As a pharmaceutical, lithium's use is well known. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium Could lithium crystals have a beneficial influence? There would be nothing to lose and much to gain from experimenting, but I would start with LEF brand fish oil first. It's annual clearance sale now, BTW. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
