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Angel You asked privately if you could return after almost 2 years and I agreed that you couldjust provide some identification so I could process the refund, that's all. I fully acknowledge that MAYBE your generator isn't working right. Things happen. I always check them out and fix them free if that's the case. But I wasn't allowed the opportunity to do that before you publicly dissed a more than perfect service record. Even that I can put up with. But then you say that others are having problems but won't identify who those others are so I can rectify the situation...if it exists. as though you actually NEEDED to to fabricate a generalized backup scenario to get what you want when you always have without argument. I certainly haven't heard from them and I'm ALWAYS open to solving any problems that might crop up, even in the middle of the night. You didn't mention how many hours I spent with you. You didn't mention that I accepted a refund request long after any warrantees expired. You didn't mention that I had sent things to you, probably with a huge discount if not for free. I have never been your enemy, but all of a sudden I am yours. I have never been defensive, but all of a sudden you attack, not just me privately, but my hard earned reputation as well... and in public, TWICE [There was another similar schizophrenic incident a few months ago, privately nice, publicly nasty ] I have never argued with you and never did anything BUT try to help, even at my expense. All smiles, then suddenly off the deep end in rage. Geepers Creepers. That is cheap, mean, unwarranted, completely unnecessary and PUBLIC slander. There are just no other words for it. All I wanted is to see what, if anything, was wrong and was willing to take *more* than a total loss to do it. I can't resell used items. Free shipping costs money. [It ain't free] Who is right or wrong is not my issue. Solving problems where problems ARE, is the only way to solve problems. Anyhow, You didn't ask for a return address. It's right on the label and on the website. You didn't identify who you are, when you made the purchase, or anything. Am I to be a detective too? The refund offer still stands, but now I want proof of purchase for all items and all of them returned including whatever I sent for free and they must be in good enough shape so I can donate them to someone. Some good may come out of all this yet. Normally, I'd just take a persons word as their bond. You have shown yourself to be of questionable veracity. You will, of course, take that out on me too, in as vindictive and unwarranted a fashion as you can dream up and magnified publicly with unbacked fabrications as all of your perceived and unproven problems were. Such is insanity. I think you need to go see a shrink for a distemper shot or something. You DO have a problem I can't do anything about. Ode At 06:41 PM 9/21/2006 -0700, you wrote: Ode, Your bullying techniques won't work on me. You are not being truthful or honorable and you know it. You are threatening me and you are insinuating a load of dishonorable things about me dishonorably. I have nothing more to say to you or your possy who's got their panties in a wad that a girl actually dares to speak a truth that happens to annoy them. I didn't ask for this DRAMA and all these accusations from you or your posse. I didn't complain about you or your product. I just asked for a recommendation. My post last week just stated that I needed a simple reommendation on other products people are using. Nothing more ! You act like I attacked your manhood ! If this is what happens to anyone who DARES to say that your generator isn't working well, no wonder you have to ask ME for the names of the people unhappy with what you're selling ! If you really want to hear from people directly, consider following your own advice and open your mind to the possibility that your product is FAULTY instead of taking the easy way out and blaming the user. If I insist that the root of a problem lies where it doesn't, I'll NEVER solve the problem. I asked you for an address to return your unit, days ago. Never got it. Don't care to deal with all your hassle about it anymore for a measly hundred bucks. I'm getting my new generator and have enough people on this list who've contacted me off-line and offered to help right now as well as once I get going again with the new generator. So, I'm all set and grateful for all the help and humor shared with me by so many wonderful people on this list! Signing off. Angel - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:54 AM Subject: Re: CSbetter generator? Hey If the silver is coming off the electrodes, there's no way in the world it's not going into the water. If there is current flowing between
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I've used the Silverpuppy for years without any problem and Ode is incomparable as a manufacturer solving problems that others have had here, but you don't want to listen. Ode is nothing but honorable, one of the most honorable people I've dealt with. Get your money back. I'm tired of your ad hominems. stuff At 08:41 PM 9/21/2006, Angel wrote: Ode, Your bullying techniques won't work on me. You are not being truthful or honorable and you know it. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.7/454 - Release Date: 9/21/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Boy, I wonder if any CS generator manufacturers are lining up to sell their product to this one?... (I pity the fool.) -Original Message- From: toreadpeoplehealthi...@gmail.com [mailto:toreadpeoplehealthi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:42 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSbetter generator? Ode, Your bullying techniques won't work on me. You are not being truthful or honorable and you know it. You are threatening me and you are insinuating a load of dishonorable things about me dishonorably. I have nothing more to say to you or your possy who's got their panties in a wad that a girl actually dares to speak a truth that happens to annoy them. I didn't ask for this DRAMA and all these accusations from you or your posse. I didn't complain about you or your product. I just asked for a recommendation. My post last week just stated that I needed a simple reommendation on other products people are using. Nothing more ! You act like I attacked your manhood ! If this is what happens to anyone who DARES to say that your generator isn't working well, no wonder you have to ask ME for the names of the people unhappy with what you're selling ! If you really want to hear from people directly, consider following your own advice and open your mind to the possibility that your product is FAULTY instead of taking the easy way out and blaming the user. If I insist that the root of a problem lies where it doesn't, I'll NEVER solve the problem. I asked you for an address to return your unit, days ago. Never got it. Don't care to deal with all your hassle about it anymore for a measly hundred bucks. I'm getting my new generator and have enough people on this list who've contacted me off-line and offered to help right now as well as once I get going again with the new generator. So, I'm all set and grateful for all the help and humor shared with me by so many wonderful people on this list! Signing off. Angel - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:54 AM Subject: Re: CSbetter generator? Hey If the silver is coming off the electrodes, there's no way in the world it's not going into the water. If there is current flowing between the electrodes, it has to make silver ions to do it. Since the LED is hooked up in series with the electrodes in a silverpuppy and SHOWS that ions are entering the water which it must do for current to flow, if that LED is lit, it MUST be making ions in that water. If the LED isn't lit up, there's no way the electrodes will erode. There's just no way around that. If the LED lights up and the electrodes DON'T go away, that could be due to water inside the generator. [Which will eventually kill the generator] That current is going somewhere. If the LED lights up when the electrodes AREN'T in the water, the generator is full of water and we'll go from there. Either your problem is in the way you measure the PPM. Or where the silver *wound up* after it entered the water. It's there somewhere ! If the bottom of the generator is all silvery, that's where it went and where it will continue to go because the container was repeatedly filled too full and the *operator* shorted the process out. In all such cases, it's operator error of the machine, or the instruments. Have these other people contact me. Those who have, received satisfaction. I'll fix any machine that's really broken, regardless of reason, or lack there-of...but sending in a machine that's not really broken is absolutely pointless. 98 times out of a hundred, it's the operator that needs the trouble shooting. Another 1.98% is a broken machine because the operator didn't get the troubleshooting soon enough. .02% is plain old *out of the blue* failure of some part. It doesn't matter which...I'll fix whatever CAN be fixed. I can't fix a persons head without their co-operation. Believe this: There is no limit to perceptual error and resulting logical error. I've had more than one person call and ask why a spot of paint no longer lights up. [If you ever really DID see that spot of paint light up, tell me how you got it to. I'll share the riches! ] One even saw the red LED light up several times when the first thing they did was to put the power supply in their junk drawer. There was no red LED on that machine. [It was yellow and can't light up unless you plug something in] Even the smartest people can do incredibly idiotic things and never even consider that they are being the idiots. Everyone does it now and then, myself not excepted. That's human nature. I don't know who said this but it's true enough. Nothing is foolproof to the sufficiently talented fool. I know this from experience: If I insist that the root of a problem lies where it doesn't, I'll NEVER solve the problem. The very first place to look
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Hi Angel, To state the very obvious : If the silver rods are quickly getting thinner then 'silver water' is being made fast. This is a basic logical, scientific fact and you have to honour that. In other words that Silver Puppy is doing its work. So, go check the ppm some other way. Plug the numbers into the Faraday equation would be one way to get a ball park figure (see recent posts ) Another way would be to send a sample to a reputable laboratory. I believe Frank Key also does analyses. Try http://www.silver-colloids.com/ Excuse the rudeness but it is my reaction to you are acting like a rude troll. Tony Have you ever noticed how bullies talk about being bullied ? On 21 Sep 2006 at 18:41, toreadpeoplehealthi...@gmail. wrote about : Subject : Re: CSbetter generator? Ode, Your bullying techniques won't work on me. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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procedures. I have no control at all over that. You aren't playing fair and you are publicly not playing fair. As a result, refund and revelation is the only option I'll accept. At this point, either the machine is broken and so are you, or, you are broken and the machine isn't. I've done everything I can to ensure that you cannot be dissatisfied with the product. I've gone well beyond that call. Did I even charge you for a $45 upgrade item? You've now made sure that you can only be self exposed as unreasoning. You've absolved me of the need to eat crow [I have in the past and it hurt, but I did it.] and this slander game will end. I could sue, but won't at this time. The truth is more important than the money you paid. [Besides, I AM as nice as I'm allowed to be and then some. ] BTW Google can tell me wherever you go from here and where you've been. There is not much on the web that isn't public. The truth will be told. Ode [OK, I'm done being pissed off now. Back to something useful. ] If you loan money to someone who never pays you back, what you're really doing is paying them to go away. It's usually worth it in the long run. At 02:52 PM 9/19/2006 -0700, you wrote: Yes, other people are having the same problem as I am. Well, I can't say it's the same problem but I can say they are having the same issues with the results, as I am. I had about 26-28 responses to my first posting a few weeks ago and this last one a few days ago, all from very helpful people. About 10-12 of them said they couldn't tell me why it wasn't working, because it wasn't working for them either. Some of them said that it HAD worked for a few months, but after that, no matter how long they let the generator run, it never produced ppm higher than mine does. Most of them seemed smarter than I am however, since they stopped trying. They realized all they were doing was wearing down their silver rods. I guess I'm too optimistic, every dang batch I made I kept hoping that THIS time it will work ! And sure enough, my silver rods are way skinnier than they should be based on how very few batches I've done since I got this thing. Some of them said that they didn't bother posting any questions about it because it seems the responses to problems are always stating and advising the obvious. My personal experience hasn't been that this list's posts and responses as restating the obvious, on the contrary, I've found them very helpful and I'm grateful for them. But perhaps that is because I'm still a relative beginner at this stuff. Thanks for your offer of free repair, but we already did that once without any improvement. What other generators are all the list members using? Angel - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: Re: CSbetter generator? What other people are having problems? So far as I know, you are the only one. If you think it's not working right, send it to me for free repairs. ode At 03:11 PM 9/18/2006 -0700, you wrote: Hi all, A few weeks ago I posted asking for advice on how to get my Silver Puppy to work properly. Although I had dozens of responses (thank you to all !!! ), we were not able to get it working properly. It seems about half of the people had the same problem with theirs (not being able to make anything higher than 3-4ppm) but didn't care too much since 3-4 ppms is enough for their needs. I want higher ppms and this was one of the reasons I chos the Silver Puppy, but since the Silver Puppy isn't able to produce that, I'm asking for recommendations on other brands/units that are more reliable in producing specific ppms. Would you more experienced and more knowledgable silverists please advise on what I should consider getting? Grateful, Angel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database
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Your bullying techniques won't work on me. I'm afraid the aggression is getting going both ways and needs to stop now. It's time to cool down. Looking back over your questions now and a few weeks back, Angel, I can see that you've worked hard to try to get what you want. I honestly can't shake the worry that you're being betrayed by some weird measurement issue. Do you realize how much CS you'd have to make to visibly thin out a set of electrodes if it's only a few ppm? Here's an idea: Can you or anyone you know use a pair of machinist's calipers or a micrometer to measure the diameter of your wire electrodes for us? With a good measurement, accurate to the nearest thousanth of an inch or so, we could calculate the approximate weight of silver that has gone into your water. If you also know the number of batches you've made or the number of gallons of water you've used, we'd have a back-of- the-envelope figure for the average concentration you've been producing. If this issue is going to be resolved, rather than abandoned, we *must* have a way to cross-check your concentration measurements. My suggestion at least has the benefit of being cheap to do! These guys are right about a couple of things, for sure: If the silver is gone from the electrodes then it has to have gone somewhere. If you can't see where it went in the form of deposits on the glass or fluffy bits on the electrodes, then the only place it could have gone was into the water. If it is topping out at 4 ppm that should show up. If the problem *is* with the measurement tool it would be good for you to find that out before you invest more of your money, time and energy in another generator. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ode, Your bullying techniques won't work on me. You are not being truthful or honorable and you know it. You are threatening me and you are insinuating a load of dishonorable things about me dishonorably. I have nothing more to say to you or your possy who's got their panties in a wad that a girl actually dares to speak a truth that happens to annoy them. I didn't ask for this DRAMA and all these accusations from you or your posse. I didn't complain about you or your product. I just asked for a recommendation. My post last week just stated that I needed a simple reommendation on other products people are using. Nothing more ! You act like I attacked your manhood ! If this is what happens to anyone who DARES to say that your generator isn't working well, no wonder you have to ask ME for the names of the people unhappy with what you're selling ! If you really want to hear from people directly, consider following your own advice and open your mind to the possibility that your product is FAULTY instead of taking the easy way out and blaming the user. If I insist that the root of a problem lies where it doesn't, I'll NEVER solve the problem. I asked you for an address to return your unit, days ago. Never got it. Don't care to deal with all your hassle about it anymore for a measly hundred bucks. I'm getting my new generator and have enough people on this list who've contacted me off-line and offered to help right now as well as once I get going again with the new generator. So, I'm all set and grateful for all the help and humor shared with me by so many wonderful people on this list! Signing off. Angel - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:54 AM Subject: Re: CSbetter generator? Hey If the silver is coming off the electrodes, there's no way in the world it's not going into the water. If there is current flowing between the electrodes, it has to make silver ions to do it. Since the LED is hooked up in series with the electrodes in a silverpuppy and SHOWS that ions are entering the water which it must do for current to flow, if that LED is lit, it MUST be making ions in that water. If the LED isn't lit up, there's no way the electrodes will erode. There's just no way around that. If the LED lights up and the electrodes DON'T go away, that could be due to water inside the generator. [Which will eventually kill the generator] That current is going somewhere. If the LED lights up when the electrodes AREN'T in the water, the generator is full of water and we'll go from there. Either your problem is in the way you measure the PPM. Or where the silver *wound up* after it entered the water. It's there somewhere ! If the bottom of the generator is all silvery, that's where it went and where it will continue to go because the container was repeatedly filled too full and the *operator* shorted the process out. In all such cases, it's operator error of the machine, or the instruments. Have these other people contact me. Those who have, received satisfaction. I'll fix any machine that's really broken, regardless of reason, or lack there-of...but sending in a machine that's not really broken is absolutely pointless. 98 times out of a hundred, it's the operator that needs the trouble shooting. Another 1.98% is a broken machine because the operator didn't get the troubleshooting soon enough. .02% is plain old *out of the blue* failure of some part. It doesn't matter which...I'll fix whatever CAN be fixed. I can't fix a persons head without their co-operation. Believe this: There is no limit to perceptual error and resulting logical error. I've had more than one person call and ask why a spot of paint no longer lights up. [If you ever really DID see that spot of paint light up, tell me how you got it to. I'll share the riches! ] One even saw the red LED light up several times when the first thing they did was to put the power supply in their junk drawer. There was no red LED on that machine. [It was yellow and can't light up unless you plug something in] Even the smartest people can do incredibly idiotic things and never even consider that they are being the idiots. Everyone does it now and then, myself not excepted. That's human nature. I don't know who said this but it's true enough. Nothing is foolproof to the sufficiently talented fool. I know this from experience: If I insist that the root of a problem lies where it doesn't, I'll NEVER solve the problem. The very first place to look is how the problem is being perceived because perception is the least reliable element in any problem. It can't be this because I can't be that stupid ? Forget that. It never works. ANYBODY can be that stupid. Denying it never helps. Saying that other people have made the same errors doesn't make them not be errors. What is far more likely is that those
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Osiyo Nigadv! Hello Everyone! I am retired and purchasing an automatic commercial generator is on my fuutre long-range plans. I did a survey of the three top commercial units and chose the Silver Puppy just because of Ode's price's. It appears that all the units sold are very good and comparable. But I could not wait and could not afford to buy CS so I made my own unit I have been using for over a year now. I took a CD player transformer rated at: 5 VDC and 750 mA, cut of the jack, stripped the wires and attached two alligator clips. I bought 12 inches of 14 ga .999 silver wire on-line, cut in half and added a 1/4 bend on one end for my electrodes. I cut off the bottom of a powdered drink concentrate plastic container and drilled two 14 ga holes in it at the width of the quart (sm) mason jar I am using. The indentations on the plastic bottom just fit the mason jar lip opening so it would not slip around. I put the electrodes thru the lid, connected the clips to the bent electrodes and plugged the transformer in. I tried to measure the current with my Fluke meter and it was so low my 300 mA scale would not show any reading. Using Wal-Mart distilled water it took about 8 hours to develop a light golden color with fuzz on the electrodes. Hearing from others it appeared that I had just made some very good homemade CS at about 15 to 20 ppm. I store my CS in the maker jar with an airtight lid. Once old age kicked in and I forgot to take the transformer off and it cooked for about 20 hours, the color was a darker gold/yellow with a grey tinge to it and there were pools of silver floating on top. I have no idea what the ppm's would be but I used it anyway and did not notice any difference in curative power. The inside of my maker jar has become plated dark silver gray also. I never clean my maker jar because I do not want to contaminate with anything. I have effectively and satisfactorily used my homemade CS for: Strep throat (immediate relief), Conjunctavitis (pink eye), Open scrapes and wounds, Stomach disorders, Toenail fungus, Sinus infections, My Grand Daughter uses it for her acne like zits, I use 20 to 100% in my heated CPAP humidifier reservoir (yes it plates metal and plastic also), I rinse/swish my mouth after brushing with baking soda at least once a week, I mist lettuce heads, and bagged salad mix to stop early wilting, and I could go on. Love Bob Adageyudi Staya Udanvti -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Bob Good to hear from you I'm like you. I think simpler is better. Especially with c/s where the benefits are so great i don't think its worth splitting hairs over the finer points as long as i know i am producing something that is safe and effective, i am happy. Sounds good about the lettuce i must try it. I might even try the ones in the garden too. Good health to you. Nathan From: Staya Udanvti Bob Butler cheroke...@cox.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSbetter generator? Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:24:39 -0400 Osiyo Nigadv! Hello Everyone! I am retired and purchasing an automatic commercial generator is on my fuutre long-range plans. I did a survey of the three top commercial units and chose the Silver Puppy just because of Ode's price's. It appears that all the units sold are very good and comparable. But I could not wait and could not afford to buy CS so I made my own unit I have been using for over a year now. I took a CD player transformer rated at: 5 VDC and 750 mA, cut of the jack, stripped the wires and attached two alligator clips. I bought 12 inches of 14 ga .999 silver wire on-line, cut in half and added a 1/4 bend on one end for my electrodes. I cut off the bottom of a powdered drink concentrate plastic container and drilled two 14 ga holes in it at the width of the quart (sm) mason jar I am using. The indentations on the plastic bottom just fit the mason jar lip opening so it would not slip around. I put the electrodes thru the lid, connected the clips to the bent electrodes and plugged the transformer in. I tried to measure the current with my Fluke meter and it was so low my 300 mA scale would not show any reading. Using Wal-Mart distilled water it took about 8 hours to develop a light golden color with fuzz on the electrodes. Hearing from others it appeared that I had just made some very good homemade CS at about 15 to 20 ppm. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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i am new at this , and using a c/s gen. from herbal remedies.. herbalremedies.com a complete kit,, which i like,, with a 800 number for any advise, by a master herbalist,, just now sure, of what ppm i am producing, is anyone else using this item, if so, would appreciate any comments or concerns,, thanks again to all, geo.
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What other people are having problems? So far as I know, you are the only one. If you think it's not working right, send it to me for free repairs. ode At 03:11 PM 9/18/2006 -0700, you wrote: Hi all, A few weeks ago I posted asking for advice on how to get my Silver Puppy to work properly. Although I had dozens of responses (thank you to all !!! ), we were not able to get it working properly. It seems about half of the people had the same problem with theirs (not being able to make anything higher than 3-4ppm) but didn't care too much since 3-4 ppms is enough for their needs. I want higher ppms and this was one of the reasons I chos the Silver Puppy, but since the Silver Puppy isn't able to produce that, I'm asking for recommendations on other brands/units that are more reliable in producing specific ppms. Would you more experienced and more knowledgable silverists please advise on what I should consider getting? Grateful, Angel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006
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I would have to agree with Ode, I've been here almost 2 years and I have only encountered one person who wasn't satisified with the unit. regards, E From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSbetter generator? Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:39:21 -0400 What other people are having problems? So far as I know, you are the only one. If you think it's not working right, send it to me for free repairs. ode At 03:11 PM 9/18/2006 -0700, you wrote: Hi all, A few weeks ago I posted asking for advice on how to get my Silver Puppy to work properly. Although I had dozens of responses (thank you to all !!! ), we were not able to get it working properly. It seems about half of the people had the same problem with theirs (not being able to make anything higher than 3-4ppm) but didn't care too much since 3-4 ppms is enough for their needs. I want higher ppms and this was one of the reasons I chos the Silver Puppy, but since the Silver Puppy isn't able to produce that, I'm asking for recommendations on other brands/units that are more reliable in producing specific ppms. Would you more experienced and more knowledgable silverists please advise on what I should consider getting? Grateful, Angel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006
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Hi Angel, Even though I have made a good number of low voltage generators and probably have one of the most complex generator's ever made, yet I use the Silver Puppy. The reason I use it is that it is brain-dead simple to use and it is reliable. I have purchased at least three of them for others and they all have been able to make fine cs with them. Mine has made at least 20 gallons, the electrodes are fine. Ode is always willing to go the extra mile, if you will give him the chance. There are gotcha's which are beyond the control of the Silver Puppy and most all of those are spelled out thoroughly in the instructions. I am certain he would even like to see a sample of the water you are using, in order to figure to see what is wrong. He is the first one to want to make it work for you. Work with him, he is a good guy and makes a good unit. If you and others are having a problem, I think you owe it to Ode to let him make it right and/or help you figure out what is going on. Kindest regards, Craig Yes, other people are having the same problem as I am. Well, I can't say it's the same problem but I can say they are having the same issues with the results, as I am. I had about 26-28 responses to my first posting a few weeks ago and this last one a few days ago, all from very helpful people. About 10-12 of them said they couldn't tell me why it wasn't working, because it wasn't working for them either. Some of them said that it HAD worked for a few months, but after that, no matter how long they let the generator run, it never produced ppm higher than mine does. Most of them seemed smarter than I am however, since they stopped trying. They realized all they were doing was wearing down their silver rods. I guess I'm too optimistic, every dang batch I made I kept hoping that THIS time it will work ! And sure enough, my silver rods are way skinnier than they should be based on how very few batches I've done since I got this thing. Some of them said that they didn't bother posting any questions about it because it seems the responses to problems are always stating and advising the obvious. My personal experience hasn't been that this list's posts and responses as restating the obvious, on the contrary, I've found them very helpful and I'm grateful for them. But perhaps that is because I'm still a relative beginner at this stuff. Thanks for your offer of free repair, but we already did that once without any improvement. What other generators are all the list members using? Angel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Save your money Angle, if you can't get the SilverPuppy to work, you won't have any better time with any other unit... Dan --- * From: * toreadpeoplehealthi...@gmail.com[smtp:toreadpeoplehealthi...@gmail.com] * Sent: * Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:52:22 PM * To: * silver-list@eskimo.com * Cc: * angelzi...@gmail.com * Subject: * Re: CSbetter generator? Yes, other people are having the same problem as I am. Well, I can't say it's the same problem but I can say they are having the same issues with the results, as I am. I had about 26-28 responses to my first posting a few weeks ago and this last one a few days ago, all from very helpful people. About 10-12 of them said they couldn't tell me why it wasn't working, because it wasn't working for them either. Some of them said that it HAD worked for a few months, but after that, no matter how long they let the generator run, it never produced ppm higher than mine does. Most of them seemed smarter than I am however, since they stopped trying. They realized all they were doing was wearing down their silver rods. I guess I'm too optimistic, every dang batch I made I kept hoping that THIS time it will work ! And sure enough, my silver rods are way skinnier than they should be based on how very few batches I've done since I got this thing. Some of them said that they didn't bother posting any questions about it because it seems the responses to problems are always stating and advising the obvious. My personal experience hasn't been that this list's posts and responses as restating the obvious, on the contrary, I've found them very helpful and I'm grateful for them. But perhaps that is because I'm still a relative beginner at this stuff. Thanks for your offer of free repair, but we already did that once without any improvement. What other generators are all the list members using? Angel -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSbetter generator?
Hi all, A few weeks ago I posted asking for advice on how to get my Silver Puppy to work properly. Although I had dozens of responses (thank you to all !!! ), we were not able to get it working properly. It seems about half of the people had the same problem with theirs (not being able to make anything higher than 3-4ppm) but didn't care too much since 3-4 ppms is enough for their needs. I want higher ppms and this was one of the reasons I chos the Silver Puppy, but since the Silver Puppy isn't able to produce that, I'm asking for recommendations on other brands/units that are more reliable in producing specific ppms. Would you more experienced and more knowledgable silverists please advise on what I should consider getting? Grateful, Angel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbetter generator?
how are you people measuring ppm,, i am new at this with an herbal remedy brand generator,, how do i measure results.. thanks in advance,, geo.
RE: CSbetter generator?
hi i am from australia, i have been making cs for about 6 years now i dont think there is any reason to buy a generator to make high quality cs i use a wall plug power supply, like a phone charger that creates a current of about 1 milli amp (the lower the amperage, the smaller the silver particles, and the greater the effectiveness of the cs) i make my cs in demineralised water which takes longer but again produces smaller particles. i have bought a TDS meter to test ppm, cost me about $25 aud and i have made up to 30 ppm(by accident) although im sure it could go higher but there is no point as it becomes less effective at high levels. I use cs at 10ppm or just under for ingestion as i find the metallic tast is less at about 8ppm. Im sure you can make a simple generator your self, on this page http://www.silverwell.com.au/ they have many instructions on the: (FREE DIY DESIGNS ) page ,the button is in the left hand column about half way down. i find home made systems have been more reliable for me than the generators that i have bought in the past. hope this helps nathan From: toreadpeoplehealthi...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com CC: angelzi...@gmail.com Subject: CSbetter generator? Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:11:33 -0700 Hi all, A few weeks ago I posted asking for advice on how to get my Silver Puppy to work properly. Although I had dozens of responses (thank you to all !!! ), we were not able to get it working properly. It seems about half of the people had the same problem with theirs (not being able to make anything higher than 3-4ppm) but didn't care too much since 3-4 ppms is enough for their needs. I want higher ppms and this was one of the reasons I chos the Silver Puppy, but since the Silver Puppy isn't able to produce that, I'm asking for recommendations on other brands/units that are more reliable in producing specific ppms. Would you more experienced and more knowledgable silverists please advise on what I should consider getting? Grateful, Angel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbetter generator?
toreadpeoplehealthi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, A few weeks ago I posted asking for advice on how to get my Silver Puppy to work properly. Although I had dozens of responses (thank you to all !!! ), we were not able to get it working properly. It seems about half of the people had the same problem with theirs (not being able to make anything higher than 3-4ppm) but didn't care too much since 3-4 ppms is enough for their needs. I want higher ppms and this was one of the reasons I chos the Silver Puppy, but since the Silver Puppy isn't able to produce that, I'm asking for recommendations on other brands/units that are more reliable in producing specific ppms. Would you more experienced and more knowledgable silverists please advise on what I should consider getting? Grateful, Angel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com . Maybe you should ask Ode. I understand that the Puppy generates 10 PPM at shut off. Fred
RE: CSbetter generator?
Evening Nathan, i use a wall plug power supply, like a phone charger that creates a current of about 1 milli amp I'm sure you can make a simple generator your self, The process and circuit is about as simple as one can get. Many have enough trouble understanding the simplest generator made. Why add several complex components that can fail or contribute to malfunctions? There is not much to go wrong with a two component system. Heck, no one even suggests using a two conductor cable to the car battery or the lighter plug? Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
