Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Tony Moody]

Yes Max, Thanks.
I had watched that earlier this afternoon and there were no brain 
benders or weird surprises. :-)


OK,
Tony

On 2021/09/12 19:06, Max wrote:
scroll down to antibacterial mode of action of silver for a quick 
overview of  mechanisms of action


https://bit.ly/3z7VbJz



On 9/11/2021 11:26 AM, Tony Moody wrote:

Phil,
Yes, thanks for the clarity.
Exactly my point is that normal yeast ( bread or beer or wine yeast) 
will eventually die without
oxygen. Normal yeast will propogate and grow with the correct amount 
of air, (oxygen). Not the

other way round.

Abnormal cells? Abnormally shaped or sized? Mutations?   or  Do you 
mean anaerobes?


I think my problem is with your use of the nomenclature of "normal"  
and "abnormal" cells.

Maybe you can give some examples of each ?

OK,
Tony


Tony,

Normal cells get their energy from oxygen, and so handle oxygen
very well.

Abnormal cells get their energy from fermentation and other sources
-- but not oxygen.

So, abnormal cells can't deal with oxygen and die when exposed to
reactive oxygen.

Only silver nanoparticles can make reactive oxygen.

CS works.

I hope you find this explanation simple, and without contradictions.





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Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Max]

scroll down to antibacterial mode of action of silver for a quick 
overview of  mechanisms of action


https://bit.ly/3z7VbJz



On 9/11/2021 11:26 AM, Tony Moody wrote:

Phil,
Yes, thanks for the clarity.
Exactly my point is that normal yeast ( bread or beer or wine yeast) will 
eventually die without
oxygen. Normal yeast will propogate and grow with the correct amount of air, 
(oxygen). Not the
other way round.

Abnormal cells? Abnormally shaped or sized? Mutations?   or  Do you mean 
anaerobes?

I think my problem is with your use of the nomenclature of "normal"  and 
"abnormal" cells.
Maybe you can give some examples of each ?

OK,
Tony


Tony,

Normal cells get their energy from oxygen, and so handle oxygen
very well.

Abnormal cells get their energy from fermentation and other sources
-- but not oxygen.

So, abnormal cells can't deal with oxygen and die when exposed to
reactive oxygen.

Only silver nanoparticles can make reactive oxygen.

CS works.

I hope you find this explanation simple, and without contradictions.





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Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Tony Moody]

Phil,
Yes, thanks for the clarity. 
Exactly my point is that normal yeast ( bread or beer or wine yeast) will 
eventually die without 
oxygen. Normal yeast will propogate and grow with the correct amount of air, 
(oxygen). Not the 
other way round. 

Abnormal cells? Abnormally shaped or sized? Mutations?   or  Do you mean 
anaerobes? 

I think my problem is with your use of the nomenclature of "normal"  and 
"abnormal" cells. 
Maybe you can give some examples of each ?

OK,
Tony

> 
> Tony,
> 
> Normal cells get their energy from oxygen, and so handle oxygen 
> very well.
> 
> Abnormal cells get their energy from fermentation and other sources 
> -- but not oxygen.
> 
> So, abnormal cells can't deal with oxygen and die when exposed to 
> reactive oxygen.
> 
> Only silver nanoparticles can make reactive oxygen. 
> 
> CS works.
> 
> I hope you find this explanation simple, and without contradictions.
> 
> 



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RE: CS> Gaslighters

[Phil Morrison]

Tony,

Normal cells get their energy from oxygen,  and so handle oxygen very well.

Abnormal cells get their energy from fermentation and other sources -- but
not oxygen.

So, abnormal cells can't deal with oxygen and die when exposed to reactive
oxygen.

Only silver nanoparticles can make reactive oxygen.

CS works.

I hope you find this explanation simple, and without contradictions.

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Tony Moody]

On 2021/09/11 19:31, Phil Morrison wrote:


When are you "ion floggers" going to get it through your thick souls 
that it's oxygen,

reactive oxygen, that kills most pathogens and not ions.

This reactive oxygen is provided only by the silver nanoparticles in CS.




Hallo Phil,

I am confused by some of your statements which seem contradictory.

Aerobic bacteria need oxygen to flourish. So applying EIS should make 
them grow; but they don't. How does this fit in your hypothesis?


OK,
Tony


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Re: CS> Gaslighters

[André Juthe]

Well said, Max.


Den lör 11 sep. 2021 kl 20:04 skrev Max :

> what causes ROS?   a biological reaction, mainly, as I see it.
>
> Any simple view is not going to be comprehensive.   How many biological
> reactions are involved in the silver experience?  All kinds of changes are
> going on, not only to the silver product as it is ingested, but then in the
> blood and lymph.  Your nano may very likely be reduced to ions and
> reformulated in the GI tract, as the several studies I posted previously
> show.  To argue that nano is the only way to go is to ignore all the
> studies.   Nobody talks about de differentiation, yet another biological
> reaction.   Why argue over a few simple and incomplete ways of
> understanding silver?
>
> An open, humble mind is the way forward
>
> Max
>
>
>
>
> On 9/11/2021 10:31 AM, Phil Morrison wrote:
>
>
> When are you "ion floggers" going to get it through your thick souls that
> it's oxygen,
> reactive oxygen, that kills most pathogens and not ions.
>
> This reactive oxygen is provided only by the silver nanoparticles in CS.
>
>
>

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Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Max]

what causes ROS?   a biological reaction, mainly, as I see it.

Any simple view is not going to be comprehensive.   How many biological 
reactions are involved in the silver experience?  All kinds of changes 
are going on, not only to the silver product as it is ingested, but then 
in the blood and lymph.  Your nano may very likely be reduced to ions 
and reformulated in the GI tract, as the several studies I posted 
previously show.  To argue that nano is the only way to go is to ignore 
all the studies.   Nobody talks about de differentiation, yet another 
biological reaction. Why argue over a few simple and incomplete ways of 
understanding silver?


An open, humble mind is the way forward

Max




On 9/11/2021 10:31 AM, Phil Morrison wrote:


When are you "ion floggers" going to get it through your thick souls 
that it's oxygen,

reactive oxygen, that kills most pathogens and not ions.

This reactive oxygen is provided only by the silver nanoparticles in CS.

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[André Juthe]

Claims without evidence should be discarded. The only ones with thick souls
are the ones' that, despite being refuted by peer-reviewed studies, still
keep repeating unsubstantiated claims. Provide evidence or shut up!

Den lör 11 sep. 2021 kl 19:32 skrev Phil Morrison :

>
> When are you "ion floggers" going to get it through your thick souls that
> it's oxygen,
> reactive oxygen, that kills most pathogens and not ions.
>
> This reactive oxygen is provided only by the silver nanoparticles in CS.
>
>
>

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RE: CS> Gaslighters

[Phil Morrison]

When are you "ion floggers" going to get it through your thick souls that
it's oxygen,
reactive oxygen, that kills most pathogens and not ions.

This reactive oxygen is provided only by the silver nanoparticles in CS.

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Theresa Swift]

Thanks.

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 8:58 AM André Juthe  wrote:

> Use a teaspoon of bicarbonate
>
> Den lör 11 sep. 2021 kl 14:57 skrev Theresa Swift  >:
>
>> So what’s the best way to neutralize the stomach acid?
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 8:05 AM Ode Coyote 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to
>>> the fact that *silver ions* combine with chloride ions to form silver
>>> chloride and *silver particles* do not.
>>>
>>> That's why you neutralize stomach acid for max effect...ions take a bit
>>> of TIME to form Silver Chloride in the blood stream and they work FAST.
>>> Silver Chloride kills germs too..[by releasing ions ] ...if it's where
>>> it does some good [not instantly made in your stomach]
>>>
>>> Frank Key is a good guy, but he has a sales agenda and what he 'doesn't
>>> say' tells a story.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:51 AM Phil Morrison <
>>> philmorrison...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>

 Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,

 CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.

 I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages of
 CS colloidal silver over ionic silver.  (see below).

 The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the
 gut lining, is fully discussed in this article.

 https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/

>>>
>
> --
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> andre.ju...@gmail.com
> +46736232019
> Myrvägen 26
> 
> 74732 Alunda
> 
> Sweden
> 
>

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[André Juthe]

Ok, Phil, so you post a website (without any scientific references) whereas
I posted several peer-reviewed research studies. Please notice the
difference. Again: just making a claim does not make it so.

Den fre 10 sep. 2021 kl 16:51 skrev Phil Morrison :

>
> Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,
>
> CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.
>
> I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages of CS
> colloidal silver over ionic silver.  (see below).
>
> The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the gut
> lining, is fully discussed in this article.
>
> https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/
>


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Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Ode Coyote]

 "The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the
gut lining"
 The statement is false.
Why? Because they are no longer IONs once they INSTANTLY react with the HCL
in the stomach.
"Ions" absorb just fine, even through the skin. [Takes a while, but they
do... ELIMINATING serious blood poisoning from wounds over night...seen it
happen with mine own eyes, twice. ]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 9:05 AM André Juthe  wrote:

> Phil Morristond claims: "CS is far superior at killing pathogens than
> ions." Ok, could you provide some references to peer-review studies for
> that claim? I have read several studies that show the exact OPPOSITE. See
> for instance:
>
> https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2012/ra/c2ra20684f
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10904-020-01744-x
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S100107421730058X
>
> Just making a truth claim does not make it so, nor does repeating the
> claim make it so.
>
> Den lör 11 sep. 2021 kl 14:05 skrev Ode Coyote  >:
>
>> The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the
>> fact that *silver ions* combine with chloride ions to form silver
>> chloride and *silver particles* do not.
>>
>> That's why you neutralize stomach acid for max effect...ions take a bit
>> of TIME to form Silver Chloride in the blood stream and they work FAST.
>> Silver Chloride kills germs too..[by releasing ions ] ...if it's where it
>> does some good [not instantly made in your stomach]
>>
>> Frank Key is a good guy, but he has a sales agenda and what he 'doesn't
>> say' tells a story.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:51 AM Phil Morrison 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,
>>>
>>> CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.
>>>
>>> I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages of CS
>>> colloidal silver over ionic silver.  (see below).
>>>
>>> The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the
>>> gut lining, is fully discussed in this article.
>>>
>>> https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/
>>>
>>
>
> --
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> andre.ju...@gmail.com
> +46736232019
> Myrvägen 26
> 74732 Alunda
> Sweden
>

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Ode Coyote]

The AgPNs still have to release ions in order to kill anything.
It has been reported on this list that putting salt in 'EIS' [aka Ionic
Silver Water...after it is made] will develop a blueish haze indicating the
formation of Silver Chloride
 After doing that several times and NOT seeing that reaction, I finally
did, but it took quite a while.

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 9:05 AM André Juthe  wrote:

> Phil Morristond claims: "CS is far superior at killing pathogens than
> ions." Ok, could you provide some references to peer-review studies for
> that claim? I have read several studies that show the exact OPPOSITE. See
> for instance:
>
> https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2012/ra/c2ra20684f
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10904-020-01744-x
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S100107421730058X
>
> Just making a truth claim does not make it so, nor does repeating the
> claim make it so.
>
> Den lör 11 sep. 2021 kl 14:05 skrev Ode Coyote  >:
>
>> The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the
>> fact that *silver ions* combine with chloride ions to form silver
>> chloride and *silver particles* do not.
>>
>> That's why you neutralize stomach acid for max effect...ions take a bit
>> of TIME to form Silver Chloride in the blood stream and they work FAST.
>> Silver Chloride kills germs too..[by releasing ions ] ...if it's where it
>> does some good [not instantly made in your stomach]
>>
>> Frank Key is a good guy, but he has a sales agenda and what he 'doesn't
>> say' tells a story.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:51 AM Phil Morrison 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,
>>>
>>> CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.
>>>
>>> I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages of CS
>>> colloidal silver over ionic silver.  (see below).
>>>
>>> The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the
>>> gut lining, is fully discussed in this article.
>>>
>>> https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/
>>>
>>
>
> --
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> andre.ju...@gmail.com
> +46736232019
> Myrvägen 26
> 74732 Alunda
> Sweden
>

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Ode Coyote]

1/4- 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda in 1/2 cup of water on empty
stomach...wait 10-15 minutes, then guzzle silver water.

https://silverpuppy.com/article/baking-soda-makes-cs-far-more-effective-tactic-that-worked-for-me

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 8:57 AM Theresa Swift 
wrote:

> So what’s the best way to neutralize the stomach acid?
>
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 8:05 AM Ode Coyote 
> wrote:
>
>> The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the
>> fact that *silver ions* combine with chloride ions to form silver
>> chloride and *silver particles* do not.
>>
>> That's why you neutralize stomach acid for max effect...ions take a bit
>> of TIME to form Silver Chloride in the blood stream and they work FAST.
>> Silver Chloride kills germs too..[by releasing ions ] ...if it's where it
>> does some good [not instantly made in your stomach]
>>
>> Frank Key is a good guy, but he has a sales agenda and what he 'doesn't
>> say' tells a story.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:51 AM Phil Morrison 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,
>>>
>>> CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.
>>>
>>> I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages of CS
>>> colloidal silver over ionic silver.  (see below).
>>>
>>> The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the
>>> gut lining, is fully discussed in this article.
>>>
>>> https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/
>>>
>>

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[André Juthe]

Phil Morristond claims: "CS is far superior at killing pathogens than
ions." Ok, could you provide some references to peer-review studies for
that claim? I have read several studies that show the exact OPPOSITE. See
for instance:

https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2012/ra/c2ra20684f
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10904-020-01744-x
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S100107421730058X

Just making a truth claim does not make it so, nor does repeating the claim
make it so.

Den lör 11 sep. 2021 kl 14:05 skrev Ode Coyote :

> The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the
> fact that *silver ions* combine with chloride ions to form silver
> chloride and *silver particles* do not.
>
> That's why you neutralize stomach acid for max effect...ions take a bit of
> TIME to form Silver Chloride in the blood stream and they work FAST.
> Silver Chloride kills germs too..[by releasing ions ] ...if it's where it
> does some good [not instantly made in your stomach]
>
> Frank Key is a good guy, but he has a sales agenda and what he 'doesn't
> say' tells a story.
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:51 AM Phil Morrison 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,
>>
>> CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.
>>
>> I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages of CS
>> colloidal silver over ionic silver.  (see below).
>>
>> The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the
>> gut lining, is fully discussed in this article.
>>
>> https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/
>>
>

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+46736232019
Myrvägen 26
74732 Alunda
Sweden

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[André Juthe]

Use a teaspoon of bicarbonate

Den lör 11 sep. 2021 kl 14:57 skrev Theresa Swift :

> So what’s the best way to neutralize the stomach acid?
>
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 8:05 AM Ode Coyote 
> wrote:
>
>> The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the
>> fact that *silver ions* combine with chloride ions to form silver
>> chloride and *silver particles* do not.
>>
>> That's why you neutralize stomach acid for max effect...ions take a bit
>> of TIME to form Silver Chloride in the blood stream and they work FAST.
>> Silver Chloride kills germs too..[by releasing ions ] ...if it's where it
>> does some good [not instantly made in your stomach]
>>
>> Frank Key is a good guy, but he has a sales agenda and what he 'doesn't
>> say' tells a story.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:51 AM Phil Morrison 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,
>>>
>>> CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.
>>>
>>> I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages of CS
>>> colloidal silver over ionic silver.  (see below).
>>>
>>> The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the
>>> gut lining, is fully discussed in this article.
>>>
>>> https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/
>>>
>>

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Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Theresa Swift]

So what’s the best way to neutralize the stomach acid?

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 8:05 AM Ode Coyote 
wrote:

> The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the
> fact that *silver ions* combine with chloride ions to form silver
> chloride and *silver particles* do not.
>
> That's why you neutralize stomach acid for max effect...ions take a bit of
> TIME to form Silver Chloride in the blood stream and they work FAST.
> Silver Chloride kills germs too..[by releasing ions ] ...if it's where it
> does some good [not instantly made in your stomach]
>
> Frank Key is a good guy, but he has a sales agenda and what he 'doesn't
> say' tells a story.
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:51 AM Phil Morrison 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,
>>
>> CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.
>>
>> I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages of CS
>> colloidal silver over ionic silver.  (see below).
>>
>> The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the
>> gut lining, is fully discussed in this article.
>>
>> https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/
>>
>

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Ode Coyote]

 The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the
fact that *silver ions* combine with chloride ions to form silver chloride
and *silver particles* do not.

That's why you neutralize stomach acid for max effect...ions take a bit of
TIME to form Silver Chloride in the blood stream and they work FAST.
Silver Chloride kills germs too..[by releasing ions ] ...if it's where it
does some good [not instantly made in your stomach]

Frank Key is a good guy, but he has a sales agenda and what he 'doesn't
say' tells a story.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:51 AM Phil Morrison 
wrote:

>
> Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,
>
> CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.
>
> I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages of CS
> colloidal silver over ionic silver.  (see below).
>
> The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the gut
> lining, is fully discussed in this article.
>
> https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/
>

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Max]

The literature suggests that ionic silver may become nanoparticulate in 
the digestive system and in the blood, while nanoparticles lose silver 
ions as well.  One study says the vast majority of orally ingested 
silver nanoparticles are ionized in the stomach and reformed as 
complexes with proteins and salts. Another study on mice suggests 99% of 
orally taken silver is lost in the feces.  Another study suggests 
absorption in the GI tract is by endocytosis.  Endocytosis primes the 
immune system against invaders. It has been observed that the uptake of 
NPs with a diameter lower than 100 nm occurs mainly by endocytosis.   
This paper says;



Large NPs and microparticles can also cross the intestinal epithelium 
through transcytosis by M-cell-uptake and persoption. Moreover, NPs can 
cross the villi through the gaps formed in their apical zone due to a 
dysfunction process induced by NPs altering the morphology of the epithelium


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5750557/


 "The obtained results demonstrated that AgNPs may transform very 
quickly during their journey through different biological conditions. 
They are able to degrade to an ionic form and again reconstruct to a 
nanoparticulate form, depending on the biological environment determined 
by specific body compartments. As suggested for other inorganic 
nanoparticles by other research groups, AgNPs fail to preserve their 
specific integrity in in vivo settings."


Fate and transformation of silver nanoparticles in different biological 
conditions

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8275868/


Bioavailability and toxicokinetics of citrate-coated silver 
nanoparticles in rats

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21468927/


Rapid Kinetics of Size and pH-Dependent Dissolution and Aggregation of 
Silver Nanoparticles in Simulated Gastric Fluid

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5376073/


" the lowest adverse effect levels ranging from 1 mg/kg body weight in 
mice to 125 mg/kg in rats. Reported high dose effects in these or other 
species include altered liver enzymes, altered blood properties, skin 
discoloration (argyria), vascular alterations, and immunological 
effects.  Since these findings predominantly occur with high doses,"



Max

On 9/10/2021 11:12 AM, Theresa Swift wrote:

So how do we make CS instead of Ionic S in our generators?

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:51 AM Phil Morrison 
mailto:philmorrison...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,

CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.

I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages
of CS colloidal silver over ionic silver. (see below).

The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross
the gut lining, is fully discussed in this article.

https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/

RE: CS> Gaslighters

[abeland1]

Well Theresa, that's the whole point.  You have to throw away your generators 
and buy MESOsilver from them.  

 

 

From: Theresa Swift  
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 11:12 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> Gaslighters

 

So how do we make CS instead of Ionic S in our generators?

 

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:51 AM Phil Morrison mailto:philmorrison...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,

 

CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.

 

I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages of CS 
colloidal silver over ionic silver.  (see below).

 

The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the gut 
lining, is fully discussed in this article.

 

https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Theresa Swift]

So how do we make CS instead of Ionic S in our generators?

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:51 AM Phil Morrison 
wrote:

>
> Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,
>
> CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.
>
> I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages of CS
> colloidal silver over ionic silver.  (see below).
>
> The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the gut
> lining, is fully discussed in this article.
>
> https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/
>

RE: CS> Gaslighters

[Phil Morrison]

Ahoy Ion Floggers, Andre, Max, Ode, and sundry others,

CS is far superior at killing pathogens than ions.

I posted an article earlier on this Forum detailing the advantages of CS
colloidal silver over ionic silver.  (see below).

The reasons why CS can cross the gut lining, and ions cannot cross the gut
lining, is fully discussed in this article.

https://www.silver-colloids.com/about-ionic-silver/

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[André Juthe]

No, you should take your pseudo-science-particles-buddies with you and
leave. Massive research shows that silver ions kills bacteria (here is some
comment on research that ions disrupt the DNA of bacteria:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200409140021.htm

Secondly, silver ions can be delivered by other means than via the gut
lining  and thirdly, where is the research that shows that silver ions
cannot cross the gut lining? Please provide SOURCES for that claim.



Den fre 10 sep. 2021 kl 13:10 skrev Ode Coyote :

> Experience says that ions work just fine, gut or no gut.
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 10:59 PM Phil Morrison 
> wrote:
>
>> Yo, Max!
>>
>> I thought you were going to bag it, and take your misinformation to
>> another forum.
>>
>> Your latest posting was pure wishful thinking.  The science content read
>> like it was written
>> by AI on a vaccinated computer.  Nothing made sense.
>>
>> First off, Ions do not cross the gut lining.  Only CS can cross the gut
>> lining.
>>
>> Should you leave this Forum, please take your pseudo-science-ion-buddies
>> with you.
>>
>>
>>

-- 
André Juthe
andre.ju...@gmail.com
+46736232019
Myrvägen 26
74732 Alunda
Sweden

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Ode Coyote]

Experience says that ions work just fine, gut or no gut.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 10:59 PM Phil Morrison 
wrote:

> Yo, Max!
>
> I thought you were going to bag it, and take your misinformation to
> another forum.
>
> Your latest posting was pure wishful thinking.  The science content read
> like it was written
> by AI on a vaccinated computer.  Nothing made sense.
>
> First off, Ions do not cross the gut lining.  Only CS can cross the gut
> lining.
>
> Should you leave this Forum, please take your pseudo-science-ion-buddies
> with you.
>
>
>

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[André Juthe]

Wrong, several studies show that silver ions are effective against
pathogens. Just search for "silver ions + bacteria or pathogens or virus"
at pubmed and you all can see that there are many, many  studies that show
that it works and is even better
than silver particles. The fact that ions rip apart the cell wall of the
bacteria (among other things) is what explains its effectiveness.

Den tors 9 sep. 2021 kl 21:06 skrev Phil Morrison :

>
> Reactive oxygen is what kills pathogens.
>
> And only the silver nanoparticles in CS can provide reactive oxygen.
>
> Ions are a waste of time.
>


-- 
André Juthe
andre.ju...@gmail.com
+46736232019
Myrvägen 26
74732 Alunda
Sweden

RE: CS> Gaslighters

[Phil Morrison]

Yo, Max!

I thought you were going to bag it, and take your misinformation to another
forum.

Your latest posting was pure wishful thinking.  The science content read
like it was written
by AI on a vaccinated computer.  Nothing made sense.

First off, Ions do not cross the gut lining.  Only CS can cross the gut
lining.

Should you leave this Forum, please take your pseudo-science-ion-buddies
with you.

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Max]

silver ions are toxic to microbes and animal cells and immune cells.  If 
you are trying to kill microbes, the trick is to reduce silver toxicity 
to animal cells while maintaining or increasing the toxicity to 
microbial cells.


Once silver gets through the gut epithelium, likely broken down as ions 
because even something as small as nanoparticles do  not easily get 
through the gut,  the silver will undergo changes in the blood and lymph 
system.  Sometimes re forming into nanoparticles, silver also becomes 
covered in proteins.  The lymphocytes try to gobble up the toxic silver 
and appear to be reduced in number, destroyed in the process of 
phagocytosis.  The immune system is altered with silver (n increase in 
CD4+/CD8+ T cell distribution, a decrease in NK and NKT cell 
distribution  and an increased CD4+:CD8+ ratio ).


Silver depresses the proliferation of lymphocytes while stimulating 
phagocytosis as well as the "respiratory burst" of granulocytes and 
monocytes. The respiratory burst is a rapid increase in the production 
of reactive oxygen species.  Those reactive oxygen species are 
destructive to all kinds of cells. Microbial as well as human cells are 
destroyed


The situation is so complex that it is outside any simple summary or 
conclusion.   The silver is already undergoing major changes in the 
digestive system, ionized, complexed with bacteria polysacharides, 
rolled up in bile. More changes occur inside the blood and lymph, 
exposure to sun,  the pH of the fluids, and influences beyond easy grasp.



thanks

Max


On 9/9/2021 5:21 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:

I'm saying IONS are what kill the pathogens and they are easy to make.
"Particles" are not easy to make and have to release ions in order to work
...skip that step...ya think?

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 12:44 PM Jean Baugh > wrote:


Hi,

So you are saying CS is good but you think nanoparticles are better?

Is it much more difficult to make CS NP?

Thank you,

Jean

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 11:53 PM Phil Morrison
mailto:philmorrison...@gmail.com>> wrote:


CS NPs are far superior at killing pathogens than ionic silver.

And gaslighters flogging EIS on this Forum should take their
business elsewhere.

RE: CS> Gaslighters

[Phil Morrison]

Reactive oxygen is what kills pathogens.

And only the silver nanoparticles in CS can provide reactive oxygen.

Ions are a waste of time.

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Ode Coyote]

I'm saying IONS are what kill the pathogens and they are easy to make.
"Particles" are not easy to make and have to release ions in order to work
...skip that step...ya think?

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 12:44 PM Jean Baugh 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> So you are saying CS is good but you think nanoparticles are better?
>
> Is it much more difficult to make CS NP?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jean
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 11:53 PM Phil Morrison 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> CS NPs are far superior at killing pathogens than ionic silver.
>>
>> And gaslighters flogging EIS on this Forum should take their business
>> elsewhere.
>>
>

Re: CS> Gaslighters

[Jean Baugh]

Hi,

So you are saying CS is good but you think nanoparticles are better?

Is it much more difficult to make CS NP?

Thank you,

Jean

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 11:53 PM Phil Morrison 
wrote:

>
> CS NPs are far superior at killing pathogens than ionic silver.
>
> And gaslighters flogging EIS on this Forum should take their business
> elsewhere.
>

RE: CS> Gaslighters

[Phil Morrison]

CS NPs are far superior at killing pathogens than ionic silver.

And gaslighters flogging EIS on this Forum should take their business
elsewhere.