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Well, the body has to convert the different forms of magnesium to be able to use it as it is a mineral. I believe I read that the others turn into magnesium chloride on conversion by the body. Someone will no doubt point it out if I am wrong. Dee ---Original Message--- From: ruth strackbein Date: 13/10/2007 01:51:12 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Ruth Hi, Dee, Thanks for your information about magnesium. But what do you mean that magnesium chloride is the form the body turns the different forms into Mary? Ruth
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Hi, Dee, Thanks for your information about magnesium. But what do you mean that magnesium chloride is the form the body turns the different forms into Mary? RuthFrom Ruth Strackbein Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:48:35 +0100From: d...@deetroy.orgto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: RE: CS>Ruth I think magnesium chloride is the form the body turns the different forms into Mary, but if you buy mag citrate I think this is the easiest form for the body to use and convert. Magnesium oxide which is in most proprietary brands, is the *least* available form. With products made for indigestion, you have to be careful that they don't contain aluminium. Hope this helps. Dee ---Original Message--- From: ruth strackbein Date: 10/12/07 03:59:18 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Ruth MMy chiropractor says the Milk of magnesia from Philips is probably the best of the drugstore variety, unless I would use a truly chelated variety. The kinds of chelated magnesium found in chain stores and drugstores usually isn't really chelated. I forget all he said about that. Ruth>From Ruth Strackbein _ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033
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I think magnesium chloride is the form the body turns the different forms into Mary, but if you buy mag citrate I think this is the easiest form for the body to use and convert. Magnesium oxide which is in most proprietary brands, is the *least* available form. With products made for indigestion, you have to be careful that they don't contain aluminium. Hope this helps. Dee ---Original Message--- From: ruth strackbein Date: 10/12/07 03:59:18 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Ruth MMy chiropractor says the Milk of magnesia from Philips is probably the best of the drugstore variety, unless I would use a truly chelated variety. The kinds of chelated magnesium found in chain stores and drugstores usually isn't really chelated. I forget all he said about that. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein
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Thanks for the further information about Magnesium, Dee. The Phillips Milk of magnesia I have been using has only Magnesium and purified water and something called sodium hypochloride. I should look up the hydrochloride part. I am supposed to consume plenty of salt, since my salt levels always test out low. I salt my food but do not eat potato chips or any of those things. I mainly eat meat and vegetables and put salt on them. Will probably stick with the present Magnesium until I can check out some of these others. MMy chiropractor says the Milk of magnesia from Philips is probably the best of the drugstore variety, unless I would use a truly chelated variety. The kinds of chelated magnesium found in chain stores and drugstores usually isn't really chelated. I forget all he said about that. RuthFrom Ruth Strackbein Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:07:59 +0100From: d...@deetroy.orgto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: RE: CS>Ruth I don't know what form milk of magnesia is in Ruth. I am taking tablets from Higher Nature which are pre-digested form which is supposed to be better (according to the manufacturers) because they are already in a bioavailable form. I think magnesium chloride is fine though, or citrate, or orotate I believe. Dee ---Original Message--- From: ruth strackbein Date: 10/10/2007 22:13:44 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Ruth Hi, Dee, I really was behind on replies! I am wondering what kind of magnesium you are using. There have been some interesting messages about magnesium chloride recently. I am using a tablespoon of Milk of Magnesia 3 times a day, sometimes two tablespoons at one of the 3 times. Also take a stool softener. I think that the stool softener bothers my upper problems , though. Am debating about whether or not to try a different form of magnesia. I am also concerned about whether or not the magnesium may upset the balance between calcium and magnesium in my system. Had my calcium tested a couple of weeks ago and it was normal. However, I was not given the figures, only told it was normal. And so often, as with the thyroid things, what is listed as normal is really at the edge of being too low.Come to think of it, the Dr. did say it was on the edge of being too high. My faulty memory. There are just too many aspects of the various possible treatments. I will be interested in hearing how you fare on the magnesium treatment. Thanks, RuthFrom Ruth Strackbein _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline
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I don't know what form milk of magnesia is in Ruth. I am taking tablets from Higher Nature which are pre-digested form which is supposed to be better (according to the manufacturers) because they are already in a bioavailable form. I think magnesium chloride is fine though, or citrate, or orotate I believe. Dee ---Original Message--- From: ruth strackbein Date: 10/10/2007 22:13:44 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Ruth Hi, Dee, I really was behind on replies! I am wondering what kind of magnesium you are using. There have been some interesting messages about magnesium chloride recently. I am using a tablespoon of Milk of Magnesia 3 times a day, sometimes two tablespoons at one of the 3 times. Also take a stool softener. I think that the stool softener bothers my upper problems , though. Am debating about whether or not to try a different form of magnesia I am also concerned about whether or not the magnesium may upset the balance between calcium and magnesium in my system. Had my calcium tested a couple of weeks ago and it was normal. However, I was not given the figures only told it was normal. And so often, as with the thyroid things, what is listed as normal is really at the edge of being too low.Come to think of it, the Dr. did say it was on the edge of being too high. My faulty memory. There are just too many aspects of the various possible treatments. I will be interested in hearing how you fare on the magnesium treatment. Thanks, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein
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Hi, Dee, I really was behind on replies! I am wondering what kind of magnesium you are using. There have been some interesting messages about magnesium chloride recently. I am using a tablespoon of Milk of Magnesia 3 times a day, sometimes two tablespoons at one of the 3 times. Also take a stool softener. I think that the stool softener bothers my upper problems , though. Am debating about whether or not to try a different form of magnesia. I am also concerned about whether or not the magnesium may upset the balance between calcium and magnesium in my system. Had my calcium tested a couple of weeks ago and it was normal. However, I was not given the figures, only told it was normal. And so often, as with the thyroid things, what is listed as normal is really at the edge of being too low.Come to think of it, the Dr. did say it was on the edge of being too high. My faulty memory. There are just too many aspects of the various possible treatments. I will be interested in hearing how you fare on the magnesium treatment. Thanks, RuthFrom Ruth Strackbein Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:14:47 +0100From: d...@deetroy.orgto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: RE: CS>Ruth Hi Ruth, my you *are* a little behind with the mails I think as I sent this months ago! I am glad that things seem to be a little better for you, although as you say, not quite completely better. I hope things continue to improve and you find the thing that works without having to resort to surgery. I too have a similar although not nearly so severe, problem as you. i.e. Constipation, and nothing seems to get rid of it. I have tried the whey and inulin but no luck so far. I am now upping my dose of magnesium as Duncan said that can help. It is such a nuisance having to continuously take things like Senocot which even that, sometimes doesn't work. I am a bit peculiar in that things like fibre, fruit, etc., just make it worse, so I don't know what the answer is. Anyway, I do hope your problem continues to improve, and you know we are all with you. X Dee ---Original Message--- From: ruth strackbein Date: 10/10/2007 03:25:37 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Ruth Hi, Dee, am going through my e-mail messages from previous weeks. I appreciate your message, I know Charles and the others mean well, but I just cannot go in many directions at once. Different ones on this list have very different ideas of what may be basically wrong with me and they may all be partially right or entirely right, or all wrong. _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline
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Hi Ruth, my you *are* a little behind with the mails I think as I sent this months ago! I am glad that things seem to be a little better for you, although as you say, not quite completely better. I hope things continue to improve and you find the thing that works without having to resort to surgery. I too have a similar although not nearly so severe, problem as you. i.e. Constipation, and nothing seems to get rid of it. I have tried the whey and inulin but no luck so far. I am now upping my dose of magnesium as Duncan said that can help. It is such a nuisance having to continuously take things like Senocot which even that, sometimes doesn't work. I am a bit peculiar in that things like fibre, fruit, etc., just make it worse, so I don't know what the answer is. Anyway, I do hope your problem continues to improve, and you know we are all with you. X Dee ---Original Message--- From: ruth strackbein Date: 10/10/2007 03:25:37 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Ruth Hi, Dee, am going through my e-mail messages from previous weeks. I appreciate your message, I know Charles and the others mean well, but I just cannot go in many directions at once. Different ones on this list have very different ideas of what may be basically wrong with me and they may all be partially right or entirely right, or all wrong.
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Hi, Dee, am going through my e-mail messages from previous weeks. I appreciate your message, I know Charles and the others mean well, but I just cannot go in many directions at once. Different ones on this list have very different ideas of what may be basically wrong with me and they may all be partially right or entirely right, or all wrong. At present I am using alternative methods with my regular doctor's blessing. I have gone to a Naturopath who works with something called an Onamed machine that uses electric impulses to determine which parts of one's body are in trouble. Supplements are listed . I have received my first round of these supplements and between them they seem to deal with many if not most of the things that various ones on Eskimo have posted about. These supplements are from companies like Amazon and several companies that are doing research into some of these sitiuations. I am still exploring the possibility of surgery, but with no definite plans for proceeding in that direction for the present. Neither the surgeons I have consulted nor the gastroenterologist are pushing for surgery. In fact one surgeon flatly refuses to do the surgery. His plan for getting my colon to work did not produce desired results, but the plan of the present surgeon in addition to the alternative things, does seem to be producing some results. What none of them can do is turn back the calendar re my age. Some of what I am experiencing may simply be due to wearing out of body parts. This can very possibly be slowed by using these plans, but probably not turned around. I very much appreciate your comforting words, and realize that the others mean the best for me. Thanks , RuthFrom Ruth Strackbein> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:01:35 +0100> From: d...@deetroy.org> To: silver-list@eskimo.com> Subject: CS>Ruth> > Don't worry Ruth, it is hard to disregard your doctor's advice, especially> when you have had so many problems. I think some have been hard on you (and> somewhat insensitive) but I'm sure they mean well in their own way, and are> concerned for your health, basically. You can only do what you are> comfortable with, and maybe if you try some of the things less likely to> cause more problems, then it won't interfere with what your doctor has said,> and may even help. I wish you well, whatever you decide to do and I hope> your problems get less with each day. Love Dee> > > > > > <'Tis not right, a woman going into such places by herself." Granny nodded.> She thoroughly approved of such sentiments so long as there was, of course,> no suggestion that they applied to her.> > > -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)> > > --> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.> > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org> > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com> > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com> > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...> > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct
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Thanks, Dee, I already do take some of the advice I have received on Eskimo and use it , can't use many things at once though, obviously. I, too, know that the people on the list have my best interests at heart. They have proved this by continuing to offer suggestions. For a fuller explanation of my feelings, see the message to Clayton family's Kathryn. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: "Dee " Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: CS>Ruth Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:01:35 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Don't worry Ruth, it is hard to disregard your doctor's advice, especially when you have had so many problems. I think some have been hard on you (and somewhat insensitive) but I'm sure they mean well in their own way, and are concerned for your health, basically. You can only do what you are comfortable with, and maybe if you try some of the things less likely to cause more problems, then it won't interfere with what your doctor has said, and may even help. I wish you well, whatever you decide to do and I hope your problems get less with each day. Love Dee  <'Tis not right, a woman going into such places by herself." Granny nodded. She thoroughly approved of such sentiments so long as there was, of course, no suggestion that they applied to her.> -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour _ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01
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Its the candidiasis list Ruth, which has lots of helpful info on it. I didn t know if you were already on it though. The email is candidia...@yahoogroups.com kind regards, Dee -- -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) ---Original Message--- From: Ruth strackbein Date: 22/06/2007 23:29:08 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Ruth Hi, Dee, thanks for thinking of me. Could you send me the link to the list Duncan sent you to? Otherwise will just try googling the name. Thanks, Ruth >From Ruth Strackbein -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi, Dee, thanks for thinking of me. Could you send me the link to the list Duncan sent you to? Otherwise will just try googling the name. Thanks, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: "Dee " Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: CS>Ruth Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:33:49 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Hi Ruth, I was wondering if you had tried Emerald-RMA which is a product I have just discovered on another list, which Duncan put me on. You could maybe read the blurb and see if it would be appropriate for you. Kind regards, Dee     --  -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour _ Who's that on the Red Carpet? Play & win glamorous prizes. http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=REDCARPET_hotmailtextlink3
Re: MOLD Home/ Offices SME here in chimes in Re: CS> Ruth Carpet Mold
Hi, all who are responding about mold, As I have said before, I have a definite problem with mold in my house. My next problem is, where to move ? Most of the Senior living facillities around here are built on ground that was formerly swampland. I would look for something at the top of the hill here in Gibbon, except I did live in several houses at the top of this "rise" for about 5 years before buying my present home. They were also affected by mold. Also I lived for 5 years in the Western Highlands of Papua, New Guinea, where mold was rampant! It was just a fact of life with 120 inches of rainfall a year. I think that's a ball park figure. We lived in houses made of "bush"materials, most of the time. My body is probably saturated with mold. I suspect my daughter has the same problem with her home 8 miles from here. Neither of us has money enough, or borrowing power enough to hire anyone to clean up our homes, so I guess will need to research directions for self help. There are probably some directions already in my files on hotmail. Trouble is, I don't have the energy nor she the time to do alot. Thanks for all the input. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Clayton Family Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: MOLD Home/ Offices SME here in chimes in Re: CS> Ruth Carpet Mold Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:30:22 -0500 This is very interesting. I was told to leave my home, but if I did that, the next person would get just as sick as I, and it would probably be children, as that is the neighborhood we live in, and I could not in good conscience do that. Not to mention that I was way to sick to go anywhere. It was here when we moved in, and sickened one of the kids living here at that time at least. And all of us next. So I had the clean up done, we got a second mortgage to cover it, and I hope that I can recover enough to be able to go back to work and help pay for it. Since there was no one to blame, I did not even consider trying to get insurance to cover it, and I guess it is a very good thing. It cost maybe 20 or 30 grand ( maybe more, I am too chicken to figure it all out) to get it cleaned up, and that is by hiring it all done, and I had it inspected when we were done by a toxic mold inspector, and we are clean now. I had the inspection done for my own peace of mind. When I was on the mold lists, usually the first thing people want is to sue someone, and I can see that if it is an apartment building where they know about it ahead of renting to you. But really, stuff happens, and there is not always someone to blame. Who knew that paper faced sheetrock will grow stachybotris mold? No one knew it, and now that we do, it is up to us to do what we can to solve our problems in the here and now and not get stuck looking backwards. Where there is a real problem is in the building industry. The standard practices lend themselves to rotting buildings and molding houses. Sealing in a house built out of paper and composite wood products is a recipe for disaster. Houses need to breathe much more than is standard now. Kathryn On Apr 1, 2007, at 7:12 AM, JES AM & PM wrote: Ok I have to chime in here. As a former facilities manager, for over 6 major branches in the USA and including one in London; for the 2nd largest insurance re-insurer in the world, I had to do something in 2002 (part of my absence from this list) that I have never heard many building managers have to do: Perform a full in-situ ( that means in place) environmental cleanup with all employees in place, all equipment in place - yet moved around, with air particulates enough to cause extreme physical contamination and harm to life (BTW my MCS is worse as a result as I was the head person and COULD Not leave !!) What we had was corporate espionage by a competitor - they unleashed 6 fire extinguishers directly into all the officers' offices, directly onto the IT / server room, on the brand new PBX/ room; all under 2 weeks old. We had just moved into the building. Since I assisted and was asst. project manager to the top 6 SuperFund EPA cleanup sites in the nation over a 4 year period I had to call a PHd friend in Washington to see if I had to evacuate the building. The answer was yes, unless I could save human life safely. Which I did. I did and the media never got a hold of this. BUT the morale of the story to tell you all this. I had air emissions machines, all over the offices, it took 4 complete removal of all equipment, and people to accomplish this and yet there was residue... keeping in mind - we had no mold. This cleanup was over $250K. SO if you want to accurately test mold or other particulate in your homes or office - a kit from the hardware store WILL not do it - they might take your money, but that is about all folks. Contact me privately off list, you have a really ser
Re: MOLD Home/ Offices SME here in chimes in Re: CS> Ruth Carpet Mold
This is very interesting. I was told to leave my home, but if I did that, the next person would get just as sick as I, and it would probably be children, as that is the neighborhood we live in, and I could not in good conscience do that. Not to mention that I was way to sick to go anywhere. It was here when we moved in, and sickened one of the kids living here at that time at least. And all of us next. So I had the clean up done, we got a second mortgage to cover it, and I hope that I can recover enough to be able to go back to work and help pay for it. Since there was no one to blame, I did not even consider trying to get insurance to cover it, and I guess it is a very good thing. It cost maybe 20 or 30 grand ( maybe more, I am too chicken to figure it all out) to get it cleaned up, and that is by hiring it all done, and I had it inspected when we were done by a toxic mold inspector, and we are clean now. I had the inspection done for my own peace of mind. When I was on the mold lists, usually the first thing people want is to sue someone, and I can see that if it is an apartment building where they know about it ahead of renting to you. But really, stuff happens, and there is not always someone to blame. Who knew that paper faced sheetrock will grow stachybotris mold? No one knew it, and now that we do, it is up to us to do what we can to solve our problems in the here and now and not get stuck looking backwards. Where there is a real problem is in the building industry. The standard practices lend themselves to rotting buildings and molding houses. Sealing in a house built out of paper and composite wood products is a recipe for disaster. Houses need to breathe much more than is standard now. Kathryn On Apr 1, 2007, at 7:12 AM, JES AM & PM wrote: Ok I have to chime in here. As a former facilities manager, for over 6 major branches in the USA and including one in London; for the 2nd largest insurance re-insurer in the world, I had to do something in 2002 (part of my absence from this list) that I have never heard many building managers have to do: Perform a full in-situ ( that means in place) environmental cleanup with all employees in place, all equipment in place - yet moved around, with air particulates enough to cause extreme physical contamination and harm to life (BTW my MCS is worse as a result as I was the head person and COULD Not leave !!) What we had was corporate espionage by a competitor - they unleashed 6 fire extinguishers directly into all the officers' offices, directly onto the IT / server room, on the brand new PBX/ room; all under 2 weeks old. We had just moved into the building. Since I assisted and was asst. project manager to the top 6 SuperFund EPA cleanup sites in the nation over a 4 year period I had to call a PHd friend in Washington to see if I had to evacuate the building. The answer was yes, unless I could save human life safely. Which I did. I did and the media never got a hold of this. BUT the morale of the story to tell you all this. I had air emissions machines, all over the offices, it took 4 complete removal of all equipment, and people to accomplish this and yet there was residue... keeping in mind - we had no mold. This cleanup was over $250K. SO if you want to accurately test mold or other particulate in your homes or office - a kit from the hardware store WILL not do it - they might take your money, but that is about all folks. Contact me privately off list, you have a really serious problem and have plenty of money and I will put you in touch with the experts in these areas. The best thing you can do if there is mold in a home is leave !! Seriously - having had it happen to me back in 1985 - I left it. As some of you know on this list, I am in real estate. As a word of caution, and since I have a background in construction, engineering and insurance, I saved a MSN article from about 2 years ago. The insurance companies put you on a "black list" if you claim any mold and file a homeowners claim. I discovered this on my own and then the attorney that won a huge case (the mold attorney) confirmed just how bad it is. Folks I realize that you pay good money for homeowners, but do your research before you file a claim - why? because if you end up on that "black list" your home or property is unsellable. - NOBODY - not you or the next guy can insure it and you will be stuck with it. It ends up in a database Clean it up at your own expense. Jeannine On 4/1/07, Clayton Family wrote: The experts I talked to when dealing with this issue told me that it really does not matter what kind of mold it is. All mold is unhealthy, and it needs to be removed. Period. The only real reason for testing it, which you can't do with the test kits sold at the hardware stores, is if you want to sue someone for toxic mold damage. That said, I did use one of the kits from the hardware
MOLD Home/ Offices SME here in chimes in Re: CS> Ruth Carpet Mold
Ok I have to chime in here. As a former facilities manager, for over 6 major branches in the USA and including one in London; for the 2nd largest insurance re-insurer in the world, I had to do something in 2002 (part of my absence from this list) that I have never heard many building managers have to do: Perform a full in-situ ( that means in place) environmental cleanup with all employees in place, all equipment in place - yet moved around, with air particulates enough to cause extreme physical contamination and harm to life (BTW my MCS is worse as a result as I was the head person and COULD Not leave !!) What we had was corporate espionage by a competitor - they unleashed 6 fire extinguishers directly into all the officers' offices, directly onto the IT / server room, on the brand new PBX/ room; all under 2 weeks old. We had just moved into the building. Since I assisted and was asst. project manager to the top 6 SuperFund EPA cleanup sites in the nation over a 4 year period I had to call a PHd friend in Washington to see if I had to evacuate the building. The answer was yes, unless I could save human life safely. Which I did. I did and the media never got a hold of this. BUT the morale of the story to tell you all this. I had air emissions machines, all over the offices, it took 4 complete removal of all equipment, and people to accomplish this and yet there was residue... keeping in mind - we had no mold. This cleanup was over $250K. SO if you want to accurately test mold or other particulate in your homes or office - a kit from the hardware store WILL not do it - they might take your money, but that is about all folks. Contact me privately off list, you have a really serious problem and have plenty of money and I will put you in touch with the experts in these areas. The best thing you can do if there is mold in a home is leave !! Seriously - having had it happen to me back in 1985 - I left it. As some of you know on this list, I am in real estate. As a word of caution, and since I have a background in construction, engineering and insurance, I saved a MSN article from about 2 years ago. The insurance companies put you on a "black list" if you claim any mold and file a homeowners claim. I discovered this on my own and then the attorney that won a huge case (the mold attorney) confirmed just how bad it is. Folks I realize that you pay good money for homeowners, but do your research before you file a claim - why? because if you end up on that "black list" your home or property is unsellable. - NOBODY - not you or the next guy can insure it and you will be stuck with it. It ends up in a database Clean it up at your own expense. Jeannine On 4/1/07, Clayton Family wrote: The experts I talked to when dealing with this issue told me that it really does not matter what kind of mold it is. All mold is unhealthy, and it needs to be removed. Period. The only real reason for testing it, which you can't do with the test kits sold at the hardware stores, is if you want to sue someone for toxic mold damage. That said, I did use one of the kits from the hardware store to see if I had gotten rid of all of the mold in my basement. It showed that I had reduced it considerably, down to one colony only, and most of the people you talk to will tell you that that is fine. but the real test is: Are YOU still reacting? I still was, so I kept looking and found a huge colony growing on some drywall behind some tile in the shower. Now I know, if there is tile glued onto drywall, it will be moldy and it WILL be toxic. It is a guarantee. Wet drywall = toxic mold, everytime. It is in the gypsum, and loves to eat paper, so if the paper gets wet, well. The petrie dish can tell you if there is mold in general, but they will not tell you what species, or if it is being toxic. There are several kinds of mold that put out extremely toxic by products, but they don't do that all the time, usually when they are stressed (like when the water source is drying up, or when you try to kill it with bleach, etc). Good Luck and best wishes, kathryn On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:31 AM, ruth strackbein wrote: > Hi, Debbie, thanks for your idea of using a mold test. I will see if > our hardware store carries on. Or maybe the drugstore in the next > town, when I get there. Ruth > >> From Ruth Strackbein > --
Re: CS> Ruth Carpet Mold
The experts I talked to when dealing with this issue told me that it really does not matter what kind of mold it is. All mold is unhealthy, and it needs to be removed. Period. The only real reason for testing it, which you can't do with the test kits sold at the hardware stores, is if you want to sue someone for toxic mold damage. That said, I did use one of the kits from the hardware store to see if I had gotten rid of all of the mold in my basement. It showed that I had reduced it considerably, down to one colony only, and most of the people you talk to will tell you that that is fine. but the real test is: Are YOU still reacting? I still was, so I kept looking and found a huge colony growing on some drywall behind some tile in the shower. Now I know, if there is tile glued onto drywall, it will be moldy and it WILL be toxic. It is a guarantee. Wet drywall = toxic mold, everytime. It is in the gypsum, and loves to eat paper, so if the paper gets wet, well. The petrie dish can tell you if there is mold in general, but they will not tell you what species, or if it is being toxic. There are several kinds of mold that put out extremely toxic by products, but they don't do that all the time, usually when they are stressed (like when the water source is drying up, or when you try to kill it with bleach, etc). Good Luck and best wishes, kathryn On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:31 AM, ruth strackbein wrote: Hi, Debbie, thanks for your idea of using a mold test. I will see if our hardware store carries on. Or maybe the drugstore in the next town, when I get there. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: "JES AM & PM " Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS> Huggins/thyroid Ruth Carpet Mold Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:45:13 -0400 Rowena: I know the attorney that won the case he is in Atlanta. I spoke to him about 18 months ago. He told me how horrific it was... I never looked up the case law on it, but they were very much harmed health wise, their jobs, the whole nine yards... I will tell you his name if you email me privately. Jeannine On 3/29/07, Deborah Gerard wrote: They call it Sich House Syndrome when mold is a problem and it will make you deathly ill...you can go to the hardware store and by a mold test that all you do is set on your counter and it will tell you what you are dealing with ...it comes in a petre dish...debbie *Rowena * wrote: Ruth, I really don't like the thought of you having the same carpets that have been down since before all the damp problems. Mold, dampness etc. are like poison. I can't vouch for this story, though some of you may know about it. It was told to me by a friend, and concerns somone living in America. A family with a very expensive house, all the extras, experienced flooding. The insurance company didn't want to pay up. While the arguing was going on, the family continued to live in the house, and the son and husband became ill. On a plane trip the wife happened to sit next to an expert in mold. Later, she decided to call him in to examine the house. They were told to get out of the house immediately, and not take anything at all from the house with them, as there was a very bad kind of mold there. The son improved in health, but the husband is permanently damaged. I may not have full or correct details, but that is the gist of it. If anyone has a link to the full, correct story (there could be a transcript of a TV program or something) I'd like to have it. Best wishes Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi Ruth, At the top of each column in your inbox there is a header. You can click on these headers and they will arrange your emails according to date, subject or who it is from. If you want them to be in your inbox according to date you have to click on the word date and they should change. You likely have it set according to the from column, right now. A little arrow sits beside the word 'DATE' in which order I have the emails sorted. It will point up for the oldest to be on top or down if you want the newest on top. just click the word date until you have them in the right order, you want G Murray ruth strackbein wrote: Thanks, Mike. I wondered what happened. My messages come in alphabetical order instead of the order in which they are posted. I'll check to see if I actually have a Yahoo regular e-mail account or whether it is just through this other group I belong to that is connected to Yahoo. Will check and see how that one works. Meanwhile this way of doing things is not too inconvenient, just takes getting used to. Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi Gang! Just so you know, I'm sending these messages helping Ruth to the whole list just in case others might benefit. Dear Ruth, I think you figured out what's happening in your next post to Mike M. If the messages are sorted alphabetically by Subject or Title, then all you have to do is to tell hotmail to sort them by date again. Here's how: Open any of your folders by clicking on the Mail tab from your main Hotmail account page, then selecting the folder from the list in the left hand panel. By default you'll probably be looking at your Inbox. Do you see above the message list where the column headings are? They say From, Subject, Date, and Size? Each of those is a click-able link that re-sorts the message list for you. To sort by date, click on the Date column heading. The message list will re-sort in date order. If, by chance, it's sorted in the wrong order, with the oldest messages first, click on the Date column heading again and it should sort them again the other way. I'll leave it as an exercise for you to figure out what the rest of the column headings might be useful for! I'm not even sure this happened because of turning off HTML, or just some weird accident. Let me know if it helps, please. Be well, Mike D. > Hi, I still have a question about html. Since I turned it off, the > whole arrangement of my e-mail messages seems to be different. Instead > of new messages occuring at the top of page 1, they are scattered > throughout the whole page and a half. I have trouble losing messages > sometimes, too. Cheers, Ruth > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Thanks, Mike. I wondered what happened. My messages come in alphabetical order instead of the order in which they are posted. I'll check to see if I actually have a Yahoo regular e-mail account or whether it is just through this other group I belong to that is connected to Yahoo. Will check and see how that one works. Meanwhile this way of doing things is not too inconvenient, just takes getting used to. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: "Mike Monett" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CS>Ruth, HTML on hotmail...Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:58:18 -0400>"ruth strackbein" wrote:>> >Hi, I still have a question about html. Since I turned it off, the whole> >arrangement of my e-mail messages seems to be different. Instead of new> >messages occuring at the top of page 1, they are scattered throughout the> >whole page and a half. I have trouble losing messages sometimes, too.> >Cheers, Ruth>>Hi Ruth,>>Congratulations on your success in turning off html! Sorry you are still>having problems. I feel a bit guilty since I was the one who instigated all>these problems in the first place, but maybe Hotmail is not used to>handling plain ascii.>>If you are interested, I have had very good luck with Yahoo mail ->http://mail.yahoo.com/>>They keep trying to get you to use their "new, improved" format, which of>course includes html. I simply turn it off. That gets rid of a huge amount>of crud and advertising.>>But the account wasn't active for a week before I started getting a bit of>spam. They dump it in a separate file so it's no problem, but I find it>strange that a spambot could find the address so quickly when it was never>used. Anyway, Yahoo Mail seems to have their act together much better than>Hotmail. You could use Yahoo for the times when you'd like to use ascii, so>you wouldn't have to ask all your friends to change their address book.>>Also, once in a while Hotmail goes down and nobody can send or receive>email. Sympatico in Canada switched over to Microsoft, and we had problems>ever since. That's the reason I quit sympatico after many years. If you had>a Yahoo account as backup, you could still send and receive messages.>That's what my account is for - just a way to get out when something goes>wrong with the normal methods.>>But now you are an expert, so you can try these things with confidence:)>>Regards,>>Mike Monett>>Antiviral Antibacterial Silver Solution:>http://silversol.freewebpage.org/index.htm>SPICE Analysis of Crystal Oscillators:>http://silversol.freewebpage.org/spice/xtal/clapp.htm>Noise-Rejecting Wideband Sampler:>http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/sampler/intro.htm>>>-->The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.>>Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org>>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com>>Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com>>The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...>>List maintainer: Mike Devour >>
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"ruth strackbein" wrote: >Hi, I still have a question about html. Since I turned it off, the whole >arrangement of my e-mail messages seems to be different. Instead of new >messages occuring at the top of page 1, they are scattered throughout the >whole page and a half. I have trouble losing messages sometimes, too. >Cheers, Ruth Hi Ruth, Congratulations on your success in turning off html! Sorry you are still having problems. I feel a bit guilty since I was the one who instigated all these problems in the first place, but maybe Hotmail is not used to handling plain ascii. If you are interested, I have had very good luck with Yahoo mail - http://mail.yahoo.com/ They keep trying to get you to use their "new, improved" format, which of course includes html. I simply turn it off. That gets rid of a huge amount of crud and advertising. But the account wasn't active for a week before I started getting a bit of spam. They dump it in a separate file so it's no problem, but I find it strange that a spambot could find the address so quickly when it was never used. Anyway, Yahoo Mail seems to have their act together much better than Hotmail. You could use Yahoo for the times when you'd like to use ascii, so you wouldn't have to ask all your friends to change their address book. Also, once in a while Hotmail goes down and nobody can send or receive email. Sympatico in Canada switched over to Microsoft, and we had problems ever since. That's the reason I quit sympatico after many years. If you had a Yahoo account as backup, you could still send and receive messages. That's what my account is for - just a way to get out when something goes wrong with the normal methods. But now you are an expert, so you can try these things with confidence:) Regards, Mike Monett Antiviral Antibacterial Silver Solution: http://silversol.freewebpage.org/index.htm SPICE Analysis of Crystal Oscillators: http://silversol.freewebpage.org/spice/xtal/clapp.htm Noise-Rejecting Wideband Sampler: http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/sampler/intro.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Ruth, HTML on hotmail...
Hi, I still have a question about html. Since I turned it off, the whole arrangement of my e-mail messages seems to be different. Instead of new messages occuring at the top of page 1, they are scattered throughout the whole page and a half. I have trouble losing messages sometimes, too. Cheers, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: "M. G. Devour" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Ruth, HTML on hotmail... Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:27:36 -5 > Hi! I managed to lose your message from today, but it should be clear > from this reply to an old one, that I have turned off html. From now on > my messages should come in plain text. I have now reason that I can > think of for using html. Are there any special times when one really > needs to use this option? Thanks for your patient help. Ruth Good news, Ruth! Another victory in the war against e-mail bloat! I can't think of a reason to use HTML, but I'm sure there will be a time when you absolutely *have* to use differnet fonts and type sizes, colors, and pretty backgrounds and graphics, and embedded pictures... maybe to send a valentine to a grandchild, or something. It has its purpose, but it's good to have it under *control* so *you* decide when to use it. Thank you for your patient efforts. Congratulations! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Ruth, HTML on hotmail...
> Hi! I managed to lose your message from today, but it should be clear > from this reply to an old one, that I have turned off html. From now on > my messages should come in plain text. I have now reason that I can > think of for using html. Are there any special times when one really > needs to use this option? Thanks for your patient help. Ruth Good news, Ruth! Another victory in the war against e-mail bloat! I can't think of a reason to use HTML, but I'm sure there will be a time when you absolutely *have* to use differnet fonts and type sizes, colors, and pretty backgrounds and graphics, and embedded pictures... maybe to send a valentine to a grandchild, or something. It has its purpose, but it's good to have it under *control* so *you* decide when to use it. Thank you for your patient efforts. Congratulations! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Ruth, HTML on hotmail...
Hi! I managed to lose your message from today, but it should be clear from this reply to an old one, that I have turned off html. From now on my messages should come in plain text. I have now reason that I can think of for using html. Are there any special times when one really needs to use this option? Thanks for your patient help. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: "M. G. Devour" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Ruth, HTML on hotmail... Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:19:12 -5 Dear Ruth, First off, if you have to use HTML, then keep posting anyway. It's an issue of etiquette, not a hard and fast rule. I will *NOT* turn anyone away for using HTML, so relax. Got it? Also, since you are using a Hotmail address, the settings on the computer at the library don't matter. It's been a while since I used Hotmail, so I don't remember how they have it set up, but if you visit your Options, or Profile, or Settings page (or whatever term they use) for your Hotmail e-mail account, you should find a setting somewhere that selects whether you send plain text or fancy formatting (HTML). Anyone else here a Hotmail user that can tell us where the setting is? Thanks all, Mike D. > Hi! I use the computers at our public library. The librarian doesn't > know how to turn of html. Maybe you can help us out. Otherwise, I just > won't be able to post on Eskimo. The library computers are protected > from scam, at least I understand they are. The librarian has told me > that there is a virus scan in the machines here. To learn how to turn > off html, we would have to contact the guy that services the library > computers in a wide area it can take weeks to get one on the site.Hope > this post doesn't cause a problem. Ruth [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Ruth, HTML on hotmail...
Hi, I did already investigate to some extent the tools option and didn't find anything, but probably need to spend more time searching. Am involved in some research concerning a relative that has a rare form of cancer called Macroblulinemia or Waldenstrom. My time at the library goes pretty fast, so it may be awhile till I get at finding the right spot. There is another e-mail from another person that details more specifically where to go. I'll try that on Friday. Thanks for your patience, Ruth. From Ruth Strackbein From: "M. G. Devour" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: CS>Ruth, HTML on hotmail...Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:19:12 -5>Dear Ruth,>>First off, if you have to use HTML, then keep posting anyway. It's an>issue of etiquette, not a hard and fast rule. I will *NOT* turn anyone>away for using HTML, so relax. Got it? >>Also, since you are using a Hotmail address, the settings on the>computer at the library don't matter.>>It's been a while since I used Hotmail, so I don't remember how they>have it set up, but if you visit your Options, or Profile, or Settings>page (or whatever term they use) for your Hotmail e-mail account, you>should find a setting somewhere that selects whether you send plain>text or fancy formatting (HTML).>>Anyone else here a Hotmail user that can tell us where the setting is?>>Thanks all,>>Mike D.>> > Hi! I use the computers at our public library. The librarian doesn't> > know how to turn of html. Maybe you can help us out. Otherwise, I just> > won't be able to post on Eskimo. The library computers are protected> > from scam, at least I understand they are. The librarian has told me> > that there is a virus scan in the machines here. To learn how to turn> > off html, we would have to contact the guy that services the library> > computers in a wide area it can take weeks to get one on the site.Hope> > this post doesn't cause a problem. Ruth>>[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]>[mdev...@eskimo.com ]>[Speaking only for myself... ]>>>-->The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.>>Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org>>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com>>Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com>>The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...>>List maintainer: Mike Devour >>
