Re: Provocative thoughts
Whitney and List, I stopped taking the GsE for two days and the fog seemed to clear up. This morning as I was getting all my other herbs ready, I forgot about the GsE and, well, swallowed one! Two hours later it hit me like a mack truck! Had this kind of buzzing in the back of my head as well as the base of my head, got totally disoriented and felt sick all day. Just wanted to lie down and do nothing. Again, couldn't think straight or concentrate on anything. It's like everything I need to do seems like a difficult task and I can't be bothered. Some pretty awful side effects if you ask me! The worst part is that I'm moving to Florida and [trying] to pack up my house and it's making me into a veggie... Not being productive at all. Nobody has to tell me twice...it's already off the shelf! Also, about the acidophilus advice...is DDS a brand name? I already have a jar in the fridge but silly me - haven't bothered to take it! Geez...there's so many things to take that I feel like I do nothing all day except swallow pills! What do you mean by taking "lots and lots of it"? How much is that anyway? Thanks for your help. Fidget Philip Collins wrote: > > Yeah, Fidget, I do think you might go off GSE for a while and see if the fog > clears up. Just go off that one thing. For a week. If you get any > improvement, stay off it, and see how much better you can get. Our brains > are our most precious asset, no? > > I also have candida problems, and had just decided to try GSE for them, but > I may be re-thinking my decision!!! > > Best, > > Whitney > > -Original Message- > From: Fidget > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts > > >That is an excellent question Whitney, certainly one I'd like to know > >the answer as well. I have fibromyalgia and candida. I've been taking > >only one capsule a day (in the AM) for the last two weeks now, > >specifically using it to try and clear up the candida. I also have the > >liquid GsE (glycerine based) which I occasionally use to gargle with > >(very infrequently and I don't swallow it). I've been thinking about all > >this "brain fog" talk here and I'm wondering if that is what is causing > >me to walk around like a veggie. No joke either. I just can't seem to > >think straight lately and my fibro symptoms have seemed to magnify > >itself. I've even developed swollen legs/feet that took a week to > >subside. Pretty painful getting around. > > > >Is it a herx? I wonder since this GsE kills off so much bacteria, etc. > >that it just might be. You think it may be a good idea to stop using it > >for awhile to see if my symptoms clear up? Also, I seem to be > >off-balance, meaning that I frequently stumble or lose my balance. > > > >If this stuff is not the culprit, I really wonder what's causing it. > >I take a lot of different herbs as well as CS. Maybe I'm overdosing or > >detoxing from too many things? I wonder and yet I've been too tired and > >foggy to figure it all out. > > > >Fidget > > > > > >Philip Collins wrote: > >> > >> Hello, Charles. > >> > >> Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog > you > >> mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? > >> > >> Whitney Collins -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Provocative thoughts
Yeah, Fidget, I do think you might go off GSE for a while and see if the fog clears up. Just go off that one thing. For a week. If you get any improvement, stay off it, and see how much better you can get. Our brains are our most precious asset, no? I also have candida problems, and had just decided to try GSE for them, but I may be re-thinking my decision!!! Best, Whitney -Original Message- From: Fidget To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 12:27 AM Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts >That is an excellent question Whitney, certainly one I'd like to know >the answer as well. I have fibromyalgia and candida. I've been taking >only one capsule a day (in the AM) for the last two weeks now, >specifically using it to try and clear up the candida. I also have the >liquid GsE (glycerine based) which I occasionally use to gargle with >(very infrequently and I don't swallow it). I've been thinking about all >this "brain fog" talk here and I'm wondering if that is what is causing >me to walk around like a veggie. No joke either. I just can't seem to >think straight lately and my fibro symptoms have seemed to magnify >itself. I've even developed swollen legs/feet that took a week to >subside. Pretty painful getting around. > >Is it a herx? I wonder since this GsE kills off so much bacteria, etc. >that it just might be. You think it may be a good idea to stop using it >for awhile to see if my symptoms clear up? Also, I seem to be >off-balance, meaning that I frequently stumble or lose my balance. > >If this stuff is not the culprit, I really wonder what's causing it. >I take a lot of different herbs as well as CS. Maybe I'm overdosing or >detoxing from too many things? I wonder and yet I've been too tired and >foggy to figure it all out. > >Fidget > > >Philip Collins wrote: >> >> Hello, Charles. >> >> Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you >> mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? >> >> Whitney Collins >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Charles L. Church >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:39 PM >> Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts >> >> >GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called "standardized extract of >> >grapefruit", is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against >> >yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain >> >fog such as myself. >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Provocative thoughts
>>Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you >>mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? >> >>Whitney Collins >> >>>GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called "standardized extract of >>>grapefruit", is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against >>>yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain >>>fog such as myself. DR. BECK HAS WARNED ABOUT USING HIS BLOOD ELECTRIFICATION/MAGNETIC THUMPER/CS/OZONATED H20 TREATMENT SYSTEM WITH GARLIC AND HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES. THIS CAN CAUSE ELECTROPORATION, WHERE A NORMAL DOSEAGE BECOMES A TOXIC DOSE. POSSIBLY CS, HERBAL AND HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES CAN CONFLICT WITH GfSE IN A SIMILAR MANNER. WOULD VOLL ELECTRODERMAL TESTS OR DR. HULDA CLARK'S SYNCROMETER BE OF HELP HERE? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hello, Charles. I am not an expert in Herx reactions. Hope you get other, more expert answers. Longest I have had was two days. Whitney >It seemed SO severe, and I tried continuing, until I just couldn't. Usually >a "Herx" reaction would let up with a little time right? > > >Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you >mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? > >Whitney Collins > >>GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called "standardized extract of >>grapefruit", is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against >>yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain >>fog such as myself. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Provocative thoughts
>Hello, Charles. >Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you >mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? >Whitney Collins I believe the brain fog is partially caused by two things. Not enough sleep and thick blood. Atleast that's what causes mine. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: Provocative thoughts
It seemed SO severe, and I tried continuing, until I just couldn't. Usually a "Herx" reaction would let up with a little time right? Charles -Original Message- From: Philip Collins [mailto:xanadu...@email.msn.com] Sent: Sunday, July 12, 1998 9:45 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: Provocative thoughts Hello, Charles. Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: Charles L. Church To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts >GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called "standardized extract of >grapefruit", is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against >yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain >fog such as myself. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Provocative thoughts
That is an excellent question Whitney, certainly one I'd like to know the answer as well. I have fibromyalgia and candida. I've been taking only one capsule a day (in the AM) for the last two weeks now, specifically using it to try and clear up the candida. I also have the liquid GsE (glycerine based) which I occasionally use to gargle with (very infrequently and I don't swallow it). I've been thinking about all this "brain fog" talk here and I'm wondering if that is what is causing me to walk around like a veggie. No joke either. I just can't seem to think straight lately and my fibro symptoms have seemed to magnify itself. I've even developed swollen legs/feet that took a week to subside. Pretty painful getting around. Is it a herx? I wonder since this GsE kills off so much bacteria, etc. that it just might be. You think it may be a good idea to stop using it for awhile to see if my symptoms clear up? Also, I seem to be off-balance, meaning that I frequently stumble or lose my balance. If this stuff is not the culprit, I really wonder what's causing it. I take a lot of different herbs as well as CS. Maybe I'm overdosing or detoxing from too many things? I wonder and yet I've been too tired and foggy to figure it all out. Fidget Philip Collins wrote: > > Hello, Charles. > > Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you > mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? > > Whitney Collins > > -Original Message- > From: Charles L. Church > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:39 PM > Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts > > >GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called "standardized extract of > >grapefruit", is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against > >yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain > >fog such as myself. > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Provocative thoughts
Hello, Charles. Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: Charles L. Church To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts >GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called "standardized extract of >grapefruit", is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against >yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain >fog such as myself. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Provocative thoughts
> Dr. Rife found that the viruses that cause cancer come from >> the E-coli bacteria. There are two and he called them the BX and BY >> virus. He found that when the E-coli bacteria was in the right medium >> it produced these viruses. When in one medium it produced the BX and when >> in another it produced the BY. These are the two that causes the two >> different types of cancer. >So, does he have frequencies that kill this? Forgive me, I am still very >ignorant about rife. Can you test for it? the BX and BY. Deb The frequency 802 is said to kill E-coli BUT you have to be carefull because it's one of the good bacteria in the gut. The frequency 2116 is what Dr. Bare used on his skin cancer and 2127-28 is said to work with other cancers. The only test that I know of the doctors use is the PSA test. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Provocative thoughts
Reid Smith wrote: Dr. Rife found that the viruses that cause cancer come from > the E-coli bacteria. There are two and he called them the BX and BY > virus. He found that when the E-coli bacteria was in the right medium > it produced these viruses. When in one medium it produced the BX and when > in another it produced the BY. These are the two that causes the two > different types of cancer. So, does he have frequencies that kill this? Forgive me, I am still very ignorant about rife. Can you test for it? the BX and BY. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Provocative thoughts
Charles L. Church wrote: > > Hi Debbie, > > GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called "standardized extract of > grapefruit", is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against > yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain > fog such as myself. Oh, I have not listened to the excitotoxin url yet. I will tomorrow, my computer is not set up to hear it:(. I have aspartame poisoning, I guess you could say it ruined most of my adult life and continues , I guess. I will like to hear this. Do you think that die off too can cause brain fog? You know some say that coke(and others?) is putting aspartame in some products and not labeling it as such, too small an amount or calling it flavoring I think is the way they are getting around it. They said when Coke was called and asked point blank, they would not answer the question. Since I have regressed so much in the last two months, I will see if CS will help me. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Charles L. Church wrote: > > Secondly, I've been meaning to suggest to the list another WILD > possibility... please forgive me if I seem rustic, but could the removal > of silver and gold coin from circulation be a major contributing factor > the onset of so many modern diseases? Mankind have used these for money, > (and for very good reason), from creation till now, and now all these > wierd diseases? > > Charles > http://www.piggott.net/~hhr I have noticed that decaying bacteria SEEM to be inhibited by the mere proximity of silver. So, if you had silver bed springs, you otta be in pretty good shape. Maybe the people who invented SILVERWARE aren't so dumb. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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>Could I suggest the unthinkable as a POSSIBILITY? Not saying it is >true just a mere thought >Could G.S.E. actually BE an excitotoxin seeing as it causes the brain >fog? >Secondly, I've been meaning to suggest to the list another WILD >possibility... please forgive me if I seem rustic, but could the removal >of silver and gold coin from circulation be a major contributing factor >the onset of so many modern diseases? Mankind have used these for money, >(and for very good reason), from creation till now, and now all these >wierd diseases? I know that with WHO and nice organizations of similar >treachery we need not necessarily have this as a cause, but is it >possible? It's very possible that it added to the amount of disease there is now. Some other things to consider. Doctors don't check for diseases anymore. Not only that they rely on tests like the alisa, gunderson, wester blot and PCR that are as reliable as flipping a coin. AND that's the only tests that doctors rely on now. If they run one of thoses tests then find nothing it's PROZAC TIME. Something that I posted to the Rife list a few days ago you should read also. Dr. Rife found that the viruses that cause cancer come from the E-coli bacteria. There are two and he called them the BX and BY virus. He found that when the E-coli bacteria was in the right medium it produced these viruses. When in one medium it produced the BX and when in another it produced the BY. These are the two that causes the two different types of cancer. Now I'm sure you've all seen the E-coli scares that have happened in the past year or so. This wasn't a problem years ago because they used to cure their meat with salt in a smoke house. My grandfather even had one. Salt will kill almost any bacteria-virus that it comes in contact with. Something else to think about. When the E-coli is in the right medium to produce these viruses it doesn't die it just keeps on producing. Kinda like a mother having childern or a virus factory. Not only that it keeps on multiplying. Now they use chemo and other things to try and control the viruses that it produces but they never use antobotics to get rid of the virus factorys. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Provocative thoughts
Hi Debbie, GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called "standardized extract of grapefruit", is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain fog such as myself. One list subscriber recently posted an excellent link to a page about excitotoxins, which are toxins which excite never cells, (i.e., primarily brain cells) to DEATH. Aspartame, "Nurti-sweet" is the prime culprit. But there are a great many of them, and they are allowed to be labeled under nearly any description, such as "natural flavors"! Watch what you eat! Anyway I thoguht to ask this question, which is probably erroneous, but I thought I would see what people on the list may think. Is. GSE an excitotoxin, seeing as it has this peculiar effect in so many people? Charles Debbie McDonald wrote: > > > > >Could I suggest the unthinkable as a POSSIBILITY? Not saying it is > > >true just a mere thought > > > > > >Could G.S.E. actually BE an excitotoxin seeing as it causes the > brain > > >fog? > I missed something here, please fill me in on the thread that says > that GSE > causes brain fog. Deb > -- > > Debbie McDonald > > mailto:lullw...@flash.net > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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What is G.S.E??? Can't find a link to that subject. Anyone, please?? Tom Bassett tbass...@intercall.com if you prefer. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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> > >Could I suggest the unthinkable as a POSSIBILITY? Not saying it is > >true just a mere thought > > > >Could G.S.E. actually BE an excitotoxin seeing as it causes the brain > >fog? I missed something here, please fill me in on the thread that says that GSE causes brain fog. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I think of myself as a techno-peasant. I think you just might have something there boss. You put a *silver* dime in a dish of bacteria culture and the bacteria will not grow next to the dime. dan == === -Original Message- From: Charles L. Church To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 1:16 PM Subject: Provocative thoughts > > >Could I suggest the unthinkable as a POSSIBILITY? Not saying it is >true just a mere thought > >Could G.S.E. actually BE an excitotoxin seeing as it causes the brain >fog? > >Secondly, I've been meaning to suggest to the list another WILD >possibility... please forgive me if I seem rustic, but could the removal >of silver and gold coin from circulation be a major contributing factor >the onset of so many modern diseases? Mankind have used these for money, >(and for very good reason), from creation till now, and now all these >wierd diseases? I know that with WHO and nice organizations of similar >treachery we need not necessarily have this as a cause, but is it >possible? > >Charles >http://www.piggott.net/~hhr > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
