RE: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-26 Thread Dan Nave
Another example why your philosophy is not useful.  

Responding to everything from a position of ideology and dogma 
will lead you away from what is "true" (with a small "t").

The sun can be good or bad for you, and the same with x-rays 
depending on the circumstances and the use.

Things are not Black and White.  They are not totally Good or Bad.
Life is death.  Those who are born will die...

Dan

> -Original Message-
> From: kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com [mailto:kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:59 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Cc: Michael Zangari
> Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
> 
> Yeah well what would you expect from somone who gets paid for 
> harming you with x-rays?? The comparison with lying in the 
> sun ought to send up a red flag for everybody. One is good 
> for you [the lying in the sun] the other is bad.
> 
> Kurt
>  Michael Zangari  wrote: 
> > From my X-Ray Tech Friend Andrea:
> >
> >   "That is really interesting...the kind of digital sensor 
> Dan is talking about is called CR (computed radiography) We 
> have had it at the hospital for the last 5-6 years.  We 
> haven't had "film" in a while.
> >   As far as the radiation being lowI would still have a 
> lead apron on, regardless of what ever kind of x-rays there 
> are.  We were taught that there is really no safe radiation.  
> The doctors has to weigh the option of will the testing 
> (x-rays) beneficial enough for diagnosing and treating you, 
> as to the exposure you may receive by having xrays done.
> >   Some people doesn't realize that they are exposed to more 
> radiation by everyday things than what the exposure they 
> receive in an actual diagnostic test...ie..the sunbather that 
> is laying out everyday
> >   As far as the thyroid being affected by radiation..yes it 
> is important to protect it, by all means, but also people 
> don't realize that the corneas (eyes) are the most radiation 
> sensitive part of our bodies.
> >   I am sorry to hear about Dianne's father, but the 
> preliminary chest xray that was done for his prostate cancer 
> may have been a life saver for him.  It sounded like it was a 
> very aggressive cancer that was in his lung.  Once the cancer 
> gets into the lymph nodes, well that is when it starts to 
> metastasize into other organs in the body. It sounds like 
> they had to do a very radical radiation treatment for his 
> cancer.  I am glad they caught it in time."
> > 
> >   =z=
> > The novelist, journalist and psychologist Michael Zangari 
> > http://zangarijournalism.com
> > 


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-26 Thread Dee
Thank you for that Jonathan, I will keep this in my important folder.  Dee  

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Jonathan B. Britten 

Date: 26/03/2008 06:57:40 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO? 

 

I'll mention again briefly the powerful graviola plant. I know 

Personally of a 50-something man with stage four kidney cancer (one 

Removed and biopsied) metastasized throughout the body and bone. He 

Was sent home to die, and even morphine did not stop the pain. 

Graviola leaves and twigs (no bark, no root, no fruit) decocted as a 

Tea saved his life. It's been well over a year. Dried leaves and 

Twigs are available online at modest cost, as are tinctures and 

Capsules. 

 

 

 


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-25 Thread Jonathan B. Britten
I'll mention again briefly the powerful graviola plant.   I know 
personally of a 50-something man with stage four kidney cancer (one 
removed and biopsied) metastasized throughout the body and bone.   He 
was sent home to die, and even morphine did not stop the pain.  
Graviola leaves and twigs (no bark, no root, no fruit) decocted as a 
tea saved his life.  It's been well over a year.   Dried leaves and 
twigs are available online at modest cost, as are tinctures and 
capsules.




On Tuesday, Mar 25, 2008, at 05:29 Asia/Tokyo, faith gagne wrote:

It is a treatment for cancer that has brought people back from the 
brink of death,



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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-25 Thread kmilkowski
Yeah well what would you expect from somone who gets paid for harming you with 
x-rays?? The comparison with lying in the sun ought to send up a red flag for 
everybody. One is good for you [the lying in the sun] the other is bad.

Kurt
 Michael Zangari  wrote: 
> From my X-Ray Tech Friend Andrea:
>
>   "That is really interesting...the kind of digital sensor Dan is talking 
> about is called CR (computed radiography) We have had it at the hospital for 
> the last 5-6 years.  We haven't had "film" in a while.
>   As far as the radiation being lowI would still have a lead apron on, 
> regardless of what ever kind of x-rays there are.  We were taught that there 
> is really no safe radiation.  The doctors has to weigh the option of will the 
> testing (x-rays) beneficial enough for diagnosing and treating you, as to the 
> exposure you may receive by having xrays done.
>   Some people doesn't realize that they are exposed to more radiation by 
> everyday things than what the exposure they receive in an actual diagnostic 
> test...ie..the sunbather that is laying out everyday
>   As far as the thyroid being affected by radiation..yes it is important to 
> protect it, by all means, but also people don't realize that the corneas 
> (eyes) are the most radiation sensitive part of our bodies.
>   I am sorry to hear about Dianne's father, but the preliminary chest xray 
> that was done for his prostate cancer may have been a life saver for him.  It 
> sounded like it was a very aggressive cancer that was in his lung.  Once the 
> cancer gets into the lymph nodes, well that is when it starts to metastasize 
> into other organs in the body. It sounds like they had to do a very radical 
> radiation treatment for his cancer.  I am glad they caught it in time."
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   =z= 
> The novelist, journalist and psychologist 
> Michael Zangari 
> http://zangarijournalism.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-25 Thread Michael Zangari
>From my X-Ray Tech Friend Andrea:
   
  "That is really interesting...the kind of digital sensor Dan is talking about 
is called CR (computed radiography) We have had it at the hospital for the last 
5-6 years.  We haven't had "film" in a while.
  As far as the radiation being lowI would still have a lead apron on, 
regardless of what ever kind of x-rays there are.  We were taught that there is 
really no safe radiation.  The doctors has to weigh the option of will the 
testing (x-rays) beneficial enough for diagnosing and treating you, as to the 
exposure you may receive by having xrays done.
  Some people doesn't realize that they are exposed to more radiation by 
everyday things than what the exposure they receive in an actual diagnostic 
test...ie..the sunbather that is laying out everyday
  As far as the thyroid being affected by radiation..yes it is important to 
protect it, by all means, but also people don't realize that the corneas (eyes) 
are the most radiation sensitive part of our bodies.
  I am sorry to hear about Dianne's father, but the preliminary chest xray that 
was done for his prostate cancer may have been a life saver for him.  It 
sounded like it was a very aggressive cancer that was in his lung.  Once the 
cancer gets into the lymph nodes, well that is when it starts to metastasize 
into other organs in the body. It sounds like they had to do a very radical 
radiation treatment for his cancer.  I am glad they caught it in time."




  =z= 
The novelist, journalist and psychologist 
Michael Zangari 
http://zangarijournalism.com




   
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-25 Thread Marshall Dudley

Ken & Nancy Bagwell wrote:
What could be the theory behind that idea?  Cancer cells really aren't 
bacteria or virii.  Why would CS work for that?


Some cancers are caused by viruses. so if you kill the viruses, the 
cancer goes away. Also silver ions cause injured and sometimes malignant 
cells to revert back to stem cells, once again allowing a cancer to heal.


Marshall


-Ken Bagwell

- Original Message 
From: Trem 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:04:04 AM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

Hi Sol,

Me too.  We have some amazing anecdotal stories of people drinking 1-2
liters daily and having the tumors disappear in as little time as a 
week to
six weeks.  Doesn't seem to work with blood borne cancer but seems to 
work

with soft tissue tumors.

Trem


 Original Message -
From: "sol" mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com>>
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


> If I ever am diagnosed with any kind of cancer the very first thing I
> would do is start drinking 2 liters of my EIS per day, and keep it 
up for

> many months.
> That said, radiation can be targeted much more narrowly these days. I'd
> bet the radiation your dad had killed off his thyroid, too.
> On another list, I read that for routine dental x-rays they should 
put a
> barrier across the throat, just like they do the rest of your body. 
I am
> no longer going to allow these x-rays to be done unless I have a 
problem

> in a tooth, and unless they put a barrier across my throat. Dentist is
> going to be po'd no doubt, but my thyroid already has been exposed to
> enough.
> sol
>
> Dianne France wrote:
>> My dad developed lung cancer when he was 61.  They found the cancer 
on a
>> routine x-ray pre-op for prostrate surgery.  They said it was the 
size of

>> a dime.  They did the prostrate surgery and he waited two months to do
>> the lung surgery and the cancer had grown to the size of a quarter and
>> they removed 1/2 of his right lung and some lymph nodes of which 
two had

>> cancer cells in them.  He did not have chemo but they did radiation.
>> With the radiation they burned his throat muscles and also part of his
>> heart.  He developed health issues from the radiation but he lived
>> another 23 years.
>
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RE: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-25 Thread jessie70
I've heard more recently that cancer often results from a viral infection in
someone with a lower immunity. Jess
  -Original Message-
  From: Ken & Nancy Bagwell [mailto:kenancy2...@yahoo.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 3:31 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  What could be the theory behind that idea?  Cancer cells really aren't
bacteria or virii.  Why would CS work for that?

  -Ken Bagwell


  - Original Message 
  From: Trem 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:04:04 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

  Hi Sol,

  Me too.  We have some amazing anecdotal stories of people drinking 1-2
  liters daily and having the tumors disappear in as little time as a week
to
  six weeks.  Doesn't seem to work with blood borne cancer but seems to work
  with soft tissue tumors.

  Trem


   Original Message -
  From: "sol" 
  To: 
  Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:55 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  > If I ever am diagnosed with any kind of cancer the very first thing I
  > would do is start drinking 2 liters of my EIS per day, and keep it up
for
  > many months.
  > That said, radiation can be targeted much more narrowly these days. I'd
  > bet the radiation your dad had killed off his thyroid, too.
  > On another list, I read that for routine dental x-rays they should put a
  > barrier across the throat, just like they do the rest of your body. I am
  > no longer going to allow these x-rays to be done unless I have a problem
  > in a tooth, and unless they put a barrier across my throat. Dentist is
  > going to be po'd no doubt, but my thyroid already has been exposed to
  > enough.
  > sol
  >
  > Dianne France wrote:
  >> My dad developed lung cancer when he was 61.  They found the cancer on
a
  >> routine x-ray pre-op for prostrate surgery.  They said it was the size
of
  >> a dime.  They did the prostrate surgery and he waited two months to do
  >> the lung surgery and the cancer had grown to the size of a quarter and
  >> they removed 1/2 of his right lung and some lymph nodes of which two
had
  >> cancer cells in them.  He did not have chemo but they did radiation.
  >> With the radiation they burned his throat muscles and also part of his
  >> heart.  He developed health issues from the radiation but he lived
  >> another 23 years.
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RE: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-25 Thread Dan Nave
It is quite possible.

Dan 

> -Original Message-
> From: jessie70 [mailto:jessi...@optonline.net] 
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:17 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
> 
> Does Dr. Robert Rowen in his Second Opinion newsletter 
> discuss this type of therapy? Jess
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:39 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
> 
> 
> I have heard of something called "Insulation Potentiation Therapy"
> which uses many times less the amount of the Chemo chemical 
> as it is preferentially taken up by the cancerous cells after 
> the insulin potentiation.  You may want to look into this.  
> You would have to find a practitioner of this method, it's 
> not do-it-yourself.
> 
> Dan
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Teri Kavakos [mailto:t...@welshspringers.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:30 PM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
> >
> > No we had not though I have looked into it in the past.
> > With the liver
> > going bad quickly I was not about to try something like that.
> >   In fact the
> > Dr. stated there was not many chemo drugs he could take under these 
> > conditions and I don't doubt it.  He's still  slightly 
> yellow but he 
> > was orange before they did his first treatment.
> >
> > Teri
> 
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-25 Thread Linda Ellis
>> It is a treatment for cancer that has brought people back
>from the brink of > death, but is not readily available here
>in the U.S., though it is available  in other parts of the world.
>   
>
> OK -- I've got to ask it -- if there is successful
>treatments available for cancer *in other parts of the world*,
>then why don't people like Patrick Swayze and Farrah Fawcett
>-- who have all the money needed for traveling for treatment
>-- go to places like this for help?  MA
>
Actually, it's been widely reported that Farrah Fawcett is going to a clinic in 
Germany for treatment.  Suzanne Summers used Iscador to treat her breast cancer 
- I believe she was able to find someone locally to help her with that, but she 
refused the chemo/radiation route.  But I agree with Marshall - it requires 
taking personal responsibility for your health, and way too many people just 
can't do that.

Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-25 Thread Marshall Dudley

marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:


-- Original message from "faith gagne"
: -


> It is a treatment for cancer that has brought people back
from the brink of > death, but is not readily available here
in the U.S., though it is available
> in other parts of the world.

 


 OK -- I've got to ask it -- if there is successful
treatments available for cancer *in other parts of the world*,
then why don't people like Patrick Swayze and Farrah Fawcett
-- who have all the money needed for traveling for treatment
-- go to places like this for help?  MA

To do that requires one to take personal responsibility for their own 
health.  Most people, and it seems especially those who are rich and 
famous, turn their health over to quacks, who's primary objective is to 
make money, not to cure the patient.


Marshall


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-25 Thread Dianne France
MA

I agree that cancer is a strange and sometimes incurable disease.  So much of 
the time we have set the stage for it to bloom with our lifestyles and diets 
and everything else the medical industry talks us into (vaccines, etc.).  

I have always felt it runs in families but it has been pointed out from other 
members that isn't correct.  I've thought a lot about it and think quite 
possibly it runs in families because we basically learn diet lifestyles from 
our families.  The title "good cooks" has been a major thing in our family and 
a title I wore proudly.  Now, I'm trying to change everything around and it's 
hard.  Hopefully I can repair the damage done so far and improve the life we 
have left.  I am not worried about dying so much as the quality of living I 
have left.  So much more to learn but I am trying.

Dianne

- Original Message - 
  From: marmar...@bellsouth.net<mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:48 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


   mailto:dianne_fra...@hotmail.com>>: 
-- 


  I thought Farrah went to Germany.
 She did Dianne -- but her cancer came right back, and she's over 
there trying again.  So why not go right over the border to Canada?  I don't 
think these people are stupid enough to just *sit tight* and do as they're told 
(by their doctors) -- but Patrick Swayze is here in the US getting (I think) 
chemo treatments for a supposedly uncurable cancer.  Also -- I'm remembering 
Steve McQueen went to Mexico for Laetrile treatments for his cancer.  He died 
anyway.  I don't know -- I'm just suspicious that there aren't the cures out 
there that people are professing -- just other ways to spend every last dollar 
trying to get well.  MA

Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-25 Thread marmar845






 : -- 




I thought Farrah went to Germany.
 She did Dianne -- but her cancer came right back, and she's over there trying again.  So why not go right over the border to Canada?  I don't think these people are stupid enough to just *sit tight* and do as they're told (by their doctors) -- but Patrick Swayze is here in the US getting (I think) chemo treatments for a supposedly uncurable cancer.  Also -- I'm remembering Steve McQueen went to Mexico for Laetrile treatments for his cancer.  He died anyway.  I don't know -- I'm just suspicious that there aren't the cures out there that people are professing -- just other ways to spend every last dollar trying to get well.  MA






Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-25 Thread Ken & Nancy Bagwell
What could be the theory behind that idea?  Cancer cells really aren't bacteria 
or virii.  Why would CS work for that?

-Ken Bagwell

- Original Message 
From: Trem 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:04:04 AM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

Hi Sol,

Me too.  We have some amazing anecdotal stories of people drinking 1-2 
liters daily and having the tumors disappear in as little time as a week to 
six weeks.  Doesn't seem to work with blood borne cancer but seems to work 
with soft tissue tumors.

Trem


 Original Message - 
From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


> If I ever am diagnosed with any kind of cancer the very first thing I 
> would do is start drinking 2 liters of my EIS per day, and keep it up for 
> many months.
> That said, radiation can be targeted much more narrowly these days. I'd 
> bet the radiation your dad had killed off his thyroid, too.
> On another list, I read that for routine dental x-rays they should put a 
> barrier across the throat, just like they do the rest of your body. I am 
> no longer going to allow these x-rays to be done unless I have a problem 
> in a tooth, and unless they put a barrier across my throat. Dentist is 
> going to be po'd no doubt, but my thyroid already has been exposed to 
> enough.
> sol
>
> Dianne France wrote:
>> My dad developed lung cancer when he was 61.  They found the cancer on a 
>> routine x-ray pre-op for prostrate surgery.  They said it was the size of 
>> a dime.  They did the prostrate surgery and he waited two months to do 
>> the lung surgery and the cancer had grown to the size of a quarter and 
>> they removed 1/2 of his right lung and some lymph nodes of which two had 
>> cancer cells in them.  He did not have chemo but they did radiation. 
>> With the radiation they burned his throat muscles and also part of his 
>> heart.  He developed health issues from the radiation but he lived 
>> another 23 years.
>
>
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread Hanneke


LOL..sorry Dianne,  I don't really keep up with all these
celebrities.. I wouldn't have a clue
At 09:47 AM 25/03/2008, you wrote:
I thought Farrah went to
Germany.


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From: Hanneke 

To:
silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:45 PM

Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

My guess would be: not being aware, trusting their oncologists and
doctors who more than likely won't tell them about alternatives. If they
would ask their  treating physicians I wouldn't be surprised they
will advise against it.  (think  dollars)

You have to do your own investigations.

Hanneke

At 07:10 AM 25/03/2008, you wrote:

 OK -- I've got to ask it -- if there is successful treatments
available for cancer *in other parts of the world*, then why don't people
like Patrick Swayze and Farrah Fawcett -- who have all the money needed
for traveling for treatment -- go to places like this for help? 
MA
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread Dianne France
I thought Farrah went to Germany.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Hanneke<mailto:bloss...@aapt.net.au> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:45 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  My guess would be: not being aware, trusting their oncologists and doctors 
who more than likely won't tell them about alternatives. If they would ask 
their  treating physicians I wouldn't be surprised they will advise against it. 
 (think  dollars)
  You have to do your own investigations.

  Hanneke

  At 07:10 AM 25/03/2008, you wrote:


 OK -- I've got to ask it -- if there is successful treatments 
available for cancer *in other parts of the world*, then why don't people like 
Patrick Swayze and Farrah Fawcett -- who have all the money needed for 
traveling for treatment -- go to places like this for help?  MA
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread Craig Chamberlin




Faith,

Because they have no experience and they only know what they are taught
and they are taught more about how to make money than healing.  Tis the
same with Adrenal Fatigue, simple solution, take dessicated
adrenal...but that's too cheap and they don't know about it anymore.

Ciao,

Craig

faith gagne wrote:

  
  
  
  That is a very good answer.  I was
advised against switching from Levoxyl to Armour Thyroid by several
physicians and now that I've switched I feel like a human being again. 
I spent 20 years suffereing with Levoxyl, so why wasn't I encouraged to
switch?  Faith G.
   
   
  
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    Subject:
Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


My guess would be: not being aware, trusting their oncologists and
doctors who more than likely won't tell them about alternatives. If
they would ask their  treating physicians I wouldn't be surprised they
will advise against it.  (think  dollars)
You have to do your own investigations.

Hanneke

At 07:10 AM 25/03/2008, you wrote:

 OK
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread faith gagne
That is a very good answer.  I was advised against switching from Levoxyl to 
Armour Thyroid by several physicians and now that I've switched I feel like a 
human being again.  I spent 20 years suffereing with Levoxyl, so why wasn't I 
encouraged to switch?  Faith G.


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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:45 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  My guess would be: not being aware, trusting their oncologists and doctors 
who more than likely won't tell them about alternatives. If they would ask 
their  treating physicians I wouldn't be surprised they will advise against it. 
 (think  dollars)
  You have to do your own investigations.

  Hanneke

  At 07:10 AM 25/03/2008, you wrote:


 OK -- I've got to ask it -- if there is successful treatments 
available for cancer *in other parts of the world*, then why don't people like 
Patrick Swayze and Farrah Fawcett -- who have all the money needed for 
traveling for treatment -- go to places like this for help?  MA
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread faith gagne
Cancer is a mega B-B- B-Billion dollar business in this contry.  Faith G.
  - Original Message - 
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  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  My guess would be: not being aware, trusting their oncologists and doctors 
who more than likely won't tell them about alternatives. If they would ask 
their  treating physicians I wouldn't be surprised they will advise against it. 
 (think  dollars)
  You have to do your own investigations.

  Hanneke

  At 07:10 AM 25/03/2008, you wrote:


 OK -- I've got to ask it -- if there is successful treatments 
available for cancer *in other parts of the world*, then why don't people like 
Patrick Swayze and Farrah Fawcett -- who have all the money needed for 
traveling for treatment -- go to places like this for help?  MA
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread faith gagne
You will have to ask them.  But if I had cancer I would be investigating every 
possible lead.  Dr. Atkins (Atkins diet) was providing this treatment for his 
patients.  Faith G.


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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:40 PM
  Subject: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  -- Original message from "faith gagne" : 
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  > It is a treatment for cancer that has brought people back from the 
brink of > death, but is not readily available here in the U.S., though it is 
available 
  > in other parts of the world.



   OK -- I've got to ask it -- if there is successful treatments 
available for cancer *in other parts of the world*, then why don't people like 
Patrick Swayze and Farrah Fawcett -- who have all the money needed for 
traveling for treatment -- go to places like this for help?  MA


Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread Hanneke


My guess would be: not being aware, trusting their oncologists and
doctors who more than likely won't tell them about alternatives. If they
would ask their  treating physicians I wouldn't be surprised they
will advise against it.  (think  dollars)
You have to do your own investigations.
Hanneke
At 07:10 AM 25/03/2008, you wrote:
 OK -- I've got
to ask it -- if there is successful treatments available for cancer *in
other parts of the world*, then why don't people like Patrick Swayze and
Farrah Fawcett -- who have all the money needed for traveling for
treatment -- go to places like this for help? 
MA



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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread Craig Chamberlin




Brainwashed


  

   OK -- I've got to ask it -- if there is
successful treatments available for cancer *in other parts of the
world*, then why don't people like Patrick Swayze and Farrah Fawcett --
who have all the money needed for traveling for treatment -- go to
places like this for help?  MA

  





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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread faith gagne
It is a treatment for cancer that has brought people back from the brink of 
death, but is not readily available here in the U.S., though it is available 
in other parts of the world.  I have posted the information here a few 
times.  For more information from one source go here: 
http://www.medicine.mcgill.ca/EXPMED/default.htm



From another source go here:  www.cancure.org/hoxsey_clinic.htm.


Faith G.



- Original Message - 
From: "Teri Kavakos" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?



Diane,

Thank you and Faith what is 714X

Teri


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RE: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread jessie70
Does Dr. Robert Rowen in his Second Opinion newsletter discuss this type of
therapy? Jess

-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:39 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


I have heard of something called "Insulation Potentiation Therapy"
which uses many times less the amount of the Chemo chemical as it is
preferentially taken up by the cancerous cells after the insulin
potentiation.  You may want to look into this.  You would have to find a
practitioner of this method, it's not do-it-yourself.

Dan

> -Original Message-
> From: Teri Kavakos [mailto:t...@welshspringers.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:30 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
>
> No we had not though I have looked into it in the past.
> With the liver
> going bad quickly I was not about to try something like that.
>   In fact the
> Dr. stated there was not many chemo drugs he could take under
> these conditions and I don't doubt it.  He's still  slightly
> yellow but he was orange before they did his first treatment.
>
> Teri


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread Trem

Hi Teri,

I was only told once what the cancer type was and do not recall.  Sorry.

I recommend drinking a quart or two daily if possible with the thought that 
it will not harm but might help.


I hope this helps.

Trem

- Original Message - 
From: "Teri Kavakos" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?



Trem,

Do you recall what type of cancer your friend had.  Gary's is Cutuaneous T 
Cell Lymphoma which of course a blood cancer of his T Cells.  He has been 
drinking a 8 oz glass of CS  or more daily since 2000 when we bought our 
first unit from you.  It took care of his Hep C  but has not worked on the 
cancer unfortunaty.


Teri

At 09:31 PM 3/23/2008, you wrote:


Sol,

Keep in mind that Dr.Robert O. Becker determined that silver ions caused 
cancer cells to dedifferentiate.


And he was 86'd.  Lost grants and eventually his position.  (Wherever he 
was)  see http://www.silvergen.com/cancer_and_silver.htm


I only have reports of soft tissue tumors being helped.  Lost a friend to 
aggressive blood type cancer he thought was induced by pesticides. He was 
the local park manager and used lots of chemicals.  Cs didn't help.  He 
didn't use much.   Used chemo and relied on the MD's.  It didn't work.


Trem




- Original Message - From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


Trem, it was your amazing stories of cancer results from CS that decided 
me CS would be my first choice as treatment.

By blood borne cancer do you mean leukemia? Any others?
Guesses why it wouldn't be effective with blood cancers? That seems 
counter-intuitive and strange.
I also would like to know if you have any reports of CS in large oral 
quantity getting rid of brain tumors?

thanks,
sol

Trem wrote:

Hi Sol,

Me too.  We have some amazing anecdotal stories of people drinking 1-2 
liters daily and having the tumors disappear in as little time as a week 
to six weeks.  Doesn't seem to work with blood borne cancer but seems to 
work with soft tissue tumors.


Trem




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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?-oleander

2008-03-24 Thread Clayton Family

yes, yes it is. one bite is enough to kill a child.

On Mar 23, 2008, at 11:05 PM, Gayla Roberts wrote:


Oleander is toxic.
Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
aera...@gmail.com

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

Teri,
 
    Have you tried oleander soup?  It can be purchased as 
Sutherlandia OPC I believe.  Good luck.

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RE: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread Dan Nave
I have heard of something called "Insulation Potentiation Therapy"
which uses many times less the amount of the Chemo chemical as it is
preferentially taken up by the cancerous cells after the insulin
potentiation.  You may want to look into this.  You would have to find a
practitioner of this method, it's not do-it-yourself.

Dan 

> -Original Message-
> From: Teri Kavakos [mailto:t...@welshspringers.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:30 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
> 
> No we had not though I have looked into it in the past.   
> With the liver 
> going bad quickly I was not about to try something like that. 
>   In fact the 
> Dr. stated there was not many chemo drugs he could take under 
> these conditions and I don't doubt it.  He's still  slightly 
> yellow but he was orange before they did his first treatment.
> 
> Teri


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RE: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-24 Thread Dan Nave
With the new dental X-ray they don't even use a lead apron because the
radiation is (reportedly) so low...
This system used a digital sensor instead of film and the image was
transferred within seconds to the computer for viewing.

Dan 

> -Original Message-
> From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 8:56 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
> 
> If I ever am diagnosed with any kind of cancer the very first 
> thing I would do is start drinking 2 liters of my EIS per 
> day, and keep it up for many months.
> That said, radiation can be targeted much more narrowly these 
> days. I'd bet the radiation your dad had killed off his thyroid, too.
> On another list, I read that for routine dental x-rays they 
> should put a barrier across the throat, just like they do the 
> rest of your body. I am no longer going to allow these x-rays 
> to be done unless I have a problem in a tooth, and unless 
> they put a barrier across my throat. Dentist is going to be 
> po'd no doubt, but my thyroid already has been exposed to enough.
> sol
> 
> Dianne France wrote:
> > My dad developed lung cancer when he was 61.  They found 
> the cancer on 
> > a routine x-ray pre-op for prostrate surgery.  They said it was the 
> > size of a dime.  They did the prostrate surgery and he waited two 
> > months to do the lung surgery and the cancer had grown to 
> the size of 
> > a quarter and they removed 1/2 of his right lung and some 
> lymph nodes 
> > of which two had cancer cells in them.  He did not have 
> chemo but they 
> > did radiation.  With the radiation they burned his throat 
> muscles and 
> > also part of his heart.  He developed health issues from 
> the radiation 
> > but he lived another 23 years.
> 
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Gayla Roberts
Oleander is toxic.
Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
aera...@gmail.com 

  - Original Message - 
  From: bbanever 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:16 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  Teri,

  Have you tried oleander soup?  It can be purchased as Sutherlandia OPC I 
believe.  Good luck.
- Original Message - 
From: Dianne France 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


Teri

I wish you and your husband the best.  No matter what I hope he finds 
something that does work.  I think there is still somewhere where diet and 
supplements play a roll.  


Dianne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Teri Kavakos 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:21 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  Diane,

  I think a lot depends on what kind of cancer you have  There are many 
  alternatives for treating many types of cancers but then there are ones 
  like what my husband has that no natural remedies have ever worked for 
  anyone who has it.  Maybe the reason the chemo did work for Gary is 
because 
  he has not been treated with pharmaceuticals up to this point. The Dr. 
told 
  us he only had a 20% chance that the chemo would work.  Rotten odds but 
he 
  was dying of that I was sure.

  It is interesting to me that the chemo that is working comes from a 
  perriwinkel .

  Teri


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread sol
Would he be willing to try drinking 2 liters a day? I think LOTS of CS 
is the key for cancer eradication.

sol

Teri Kavakos wrote:

Trem,

Do you recall what type of cancer your friend had.  Gary's is 
Cutuaneous T Cell Lymphoma which of course a blood cancer of his T 
Cells.  He has been drinking a 8 oz glass of CS  or more daily since 
2000 when we bought our first unit from you.  It took care of his Hep 
C  but has not worked on the cancer unfortunaty.





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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Teri Kavakos

Trem,

Do you recall what type of cancer your friend had.  Gary's is Cutuaneous T 
Cell Lymphoma which of course a blood cancer of his T Cells.  He has been 
drinking a 8 oz glass of CS  or more daily since 2000 when we bought our 
first unit from you.  It took care of his Hep C  but has not worked on the 
cancer unfortunaty.


Teri

At 09:31 PM 3/23/2008, you wrote:


Sol,

Keep in mind that Dr.Robert O. Becker determined that silver ions caused 
cancer cells to dedifferentiate.


And he was 86'd.  Lost grants and eventually his position.  (Wherever he 
was)  see http://www.silvergen.com/cancer_and_silver.htm


I only have reports of soft tissue tumors being helped.  Lost a friend to 
aggressive blood type cancer he thought was induced by pesticides. He was 
the local park manager and used lots of chemicals.  Cs didn't help.  He 
didn't use much.   Used chemo and relied on the MD's.  It didn't work.


Trem




- Original Message - From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


Trem, it was your amazing stories of cancer results from CS that decided 
me CS would be my first choice as treatment.

By blood borne cancer do you mean leukemia? Any others?
Guesses why it wouldn't be effective with blood cancers? That seems 
counter-intuitive and strange.
I also would like to know if you have any reports of CS in large oral 
quantity getting rid of brain tumors?

thanks,
sol

Trem wrote:

Hi Sol,

Me too.  We have some amazing anecdotal stories of people drinking 1-2 
liters daily and having the tumors disappear in as little time as a week 
to six weeks.  Doesn't seem to work with blood borne cancer but seems to 
work with soft tissue tumors.


Trem




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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Trem

Sol,

Keep in mind that Dr.Robert O. Becker determined that silver ions caused 
cancer cells to dedifferentiate.


And he was 86'd.  Lost grants and eventually his position.  (Wherever he 
was)  see http://www.silvergen.com/cancer_and_silver.htm


I only have reports of soft tissue tumors being helped.  Lost a friend to 
aggressive blood type cancer he thought was induced by pesticides. He was 
the local park manager and used lots of chemicals.  Cs didn't help.  He 
didn't use much.   Used chemo and relied on the MD's.  It didn't work.


Trem




- Original Message - 
From: "sol" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


Trem, it was your amazing stories of cancer results from CS that decided 
me CS would be my first choice as treatment.

By blood borne cancer do you mean leukemia? Any others?
Guesses why it wouldn't be effective with blood cancers? That seems 
counter-intuitive and strange.
I also would like to know if you have any reports of CS in large oral 
quantity getting rid of brain tumors?

thanks,
sol

Trem wrote:

Hi Sol,

Me too.  We have some amazing anecdotal stories of people drinking 1-2 
liters daily and having the tumors disappear in as little time as a week 
to six weeks.  Doesn't seem to work with blood borne cancer but seems to 
work with soft tissue tumors.


Trem





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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread sol
Trem, it was your amazing stories of cancer results from CS that decided 
me CS would be my first choice as treatment.

By blood borne cancer do you mean leukemia? Any others?
Guesses why it wouldn't be effective with blood cancers? That seems 
counter-intuitive and strange.
I also would like to know if you have any reports of CS in large oral 
quantity getting rid of brain tumors?

thanks,
sol

Trem wrote:

Hi Sol,

Me too.  We have some amazing anecdotal stories of people drinking 1-2 
liters daily and having the tumors disappear in as little time as a 
week to six weeks.  Doesn't seem to work with blood borne cancer but 
seems to work with soft tissue tumors.


Trem





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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Teri Kavakos
No we had not though I have looked into it in the past.   With the liver 
going bad quickly I was not about to try something like that.   In fact the 
Dr. stated there was not many chemo drugs he could take under these 
conditions and I don't doubt it.  He's still  slightly yellow but he was 
orange before they did his first treatment.


Teri


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread bbanever
Teri,

Have you tried oleander soup?  It can be purchased as Sutherlandia OPC I 
believe.  Good luck.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:46 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  Teri

  I wish you and your husband the best.  No matter what I hope he finds 
something that does work.  I think there is still somewhere where diet and 
supplements play a roll.  


  Dianne
- Original Message - 
From: Teri Kavakos 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


Diane,

I think a lot depends on what kind of cancer you have  There are many 
alternatives for treating many types of cancers but then there are ones 
like what my husband has that no natural remedies have ever worked for 
anyone who has it.  Maybe the reason the chemo did work for Gary is because 
he has not been treated with pharmaceuticals up to this point. The Dr. told 
us he only had a 20% chance that the chemo would work.  Rotten odds but he 
was dying of that I was sure.

It is interesting to me that the chemo that is working comes from a 
perriwinkel .

Teri


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread kmilkowski
It is pretty stinky stuff, I'll give you that! Did the glands enlarge from a 
die-off overload? My glands go up and down like a yo-yo!! The grape juice 
really seems to cut down on the smell for me.

Kurt
 Teri  Kavakos  wrote: 
> Kurt,
> 
> We did MMS for 3 months he just could not tolerate the smell and he was 
> getting sick a month later he crashed with the liver failure and was 
> hospitalized. We had really hoped it would help him.  But his lymph glands 
> all enlarged on the MMS.
> 
> Teri
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Teri Kavakos
We have been eating organic and he has been on many supplements.  Duncan 
has generously gone over the supplement list and made suggestions.  He did 
well for two years on these.  Thank you so much for your thoughts.


Teri
At 05:46 PM 3/23/2008, you wrote:


Teri

I wish you and your husband the best.  No matter what I hope he finds 
something that does work.  I think there is still somewhere where diet and 
supplements play a roll.






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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Teri Kavakos

Kurt,

We did MMS for 3 months he just could not tolerate the smell and he was 
getting sick a month later he crashed with the liver failure and was 
hospitalized. We had really hoped it would help him.  But his lymph glands 
all enlarged on the MMS.


Teri


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Teri Kavakos

Diane,

Thank you and Faith what is 714X

Teri


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread kmilkowski
Have you tried MMS? I was watching a youtube on how to mix it and the guy doing 
the demo was given 3 months to live 3 years ago. 

Kurt
 Dianne France  wrote: 
> Teri
> 
> I wish you and your husband the best.  No matter what I hope he finds 
> something that does work.  I think there is still somewhere where diet and 
> supplements play a roll.  
> 
> 
> Dianne
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Teri Kavakos<mailto:t...@welshspringers.com> 
>   To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
>   Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:21 AM
>   Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
> 
> 
>   Diane,
> 
>   I think a lot depends on what kind of cancer you have.  There are many 
>   alternatives for treating many types of cancers but then there are ones 
>   like what my husband has that no natural remedies have ever worked for 
>   anyone who has it.  Maybe the reason the chemo did work for Gary is because 
>   he has not been treated with pharmaceuticals up to this point. The Dr. told 
>   us he only had a 20% chance that the chemo would work.  Rotten odds but he 
>   was dying of that I was sure.
> 
>   It is interesting to me that the chemo that is working comes from a 
>   perriwinkel .
> 
>   Teri
> 
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread faith gagne
How about 714X?  Faith G.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:46 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  Teri

  I wish you and your husband the best.  No matter what I hope he finds 
something that does work.  I think there is still somewhere where diet and 
supplements play a roll.  


  Dianne
- Original Message - 
From: Teri Kavakos 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


Diane,

I think a lot depends on what kind of cancer you have  There are many 
alternatives for treating many types of cancers but then there are ones 
like what my husband has that no natural remedies have ever worked for 
anyone who has it.  Maybe the reason the chemo did work for Gary is because 
he has not been treated with pharmaceuticals up to this point. The Dr. told 
us he only had a 20% chance that the chemo would work.  Rotten odds but he 
was dying of that I was sure.

It is interesting to me that the chemo that is working comes from a 
perriwinkel .

Teri


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Dianne France
Teri

I wish you and your husband the best.  No matter what I hope he finds something 
that does work.  I think there is still somewhere where diet and supplements 
play a roll.  


Dianne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Teri Kavakos<mailto:t...@welshspringers.com> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:21 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  Diane,

  I think a lot depends on what kind of cancer you have.  There are many 
  alternatives for treating many types of cancers but then there are ones 
  like what my husband has that no natural remedies have ever worked for 
  anyone who has it.  Maybe the reason the chemo did work for Gary is because 
  he has not been treated with pharmaceuticals up to this point. The Dr. told 
  us he only had a 20% chance that the chemo would work.  Rotten odds but he 
  was dying of that I was sure.

  It is interesting to me that the chemo that is working comes from a 
  perriwinkel .

  Teri


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Clayton Family
Yep, my grandma had surgery & radiation for throat cancer from 40+ 
years of smoking cigarettes. It gave her some 20+ years, but she did 
have side effects from the radiation.   I am sorry to hear about your 
husband, I hope it goes well.


Best Wishes,  Kathryn

On Mar 22, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Teri Kavakos wrote:

My mother had experimental chemo for uterine cancer back in 1965.  
They removed a 8 lb tumor and treated her with chemo.  It bought her 
35 yrs so she did benefit from it.


My husband in now undergoing chemo his cancer had rapidly advanced and 
he was dying of liver failure last month.  We consented to chemo to 
try and save his life.  It worked and maybe that is only for the time 
being but his quality of life is good and he is alive.  Not all people 
have this kind of positive response.  I'm with you I don't like chemo 
and the negative side effects that many suffer.  But that said.  We 
can fight the good fight against cancer trying to use the various 
natural ways of healing. Then a time comes when nothing is working 
anymore and Chemo is the end choice.  There are some people who have  
gone into remission of certain types of cancers, others are not so 
lucky.


It's a very personal decision and as someone who never thought I would 
say yes  I found myself saying yes and I have no regrets.


Teri



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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Trem

Hi Sol,

Me too.  We have some amazing anecdotal stories of people drinking 1-2 
liters daily and having the tumors disappear in as little time as a week to 
six weeks.  Doesn't seem to work with blood borne cancer but seems to work 
with soft tissue tumors.


Trem


 Original Message - 
From: "sol" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


If I ever am diagnosed with any kind of cancer the very first thing I 
would do is start drinking 2 liters of my EIS per day, and keep it up for 
many months.
That said, radiation can be targeted much more narrowly these days. I'd 
bet the radiation your dad had killed off his thyroid, too.
On another list, I read that for routine dental x-rays they should put a 
barrier across the throat, just like they do the rest of your body. I am 
no longer going to allow these x-rays to be done unless I have a problem 
in a tooth, and unless they put a barrier across my throat. Dentist is 
going to be po'd no doubt, but my thyroid already has been exposed to 
enough.

sol

Dianne France wrote:
My dad developed lung cancer when he was 61.  They found the cancer on a 
routine x-ray pre-op for prostrate surgery.  They said it was the size of 
a dime.  They did the prostrate surgery and he waited two months to do 
the lung surgery and the cancer had grown to the size of a quarter and 
they removed 1/2 of his right lung and some lymph nodes of which two had 
cancer cells in them.  He did not have chemo but they did radiation. 
With the radiation they burned his throat muscles and also part of his 
heart.  He developed health issues from the radiation but he lived 
another 23 years.



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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread faith gagne
There is only one real world.  Take the peace and tranquility with you 
everywhere.  The universe will support you.  Faith G.



- Original Message - 
From: "Carol Ann" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?




LOL.  Faith, I am social in that I have a circle of
friends and family, host get together s occasionally,
have a business  in which I must exchange professional
conversation business wise, etc. yet covet the peace
and tranquility incumbent upon me to create.  My view
- One has to have one foot in each world to sustain
balance in life.  What I see regularly is the extreme.
Those which I do not choose to engage in superficial,
meaningless chit chat designed to keep one isolated
from living in the moment actually see me as an
extreme.

If one is in "quiet, introspective " mode the
perception by many media influenced, those in need of
constant stimulation, those uncomfortable with such a
place, is usually, that something is wrong.



--- faith gagne  wrote:


An introverted recluse?  You need Eckhart as much as
anyone else does.
Faith G.


- Original Message - 
From: "Carol Ann" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


> "emphasizes the importance of being aware of the
> present moment as a way of not being lost in
thought."
>
> One thing that causes lost thoughts, imho, is how
out
> of touch people are with the Soul of the World.
I'm
> not so sure that I have to read, Eckhart...my kids
> already seem to "think" I am becoming enough of an
> introverted recluse.
>
>
>
> --- faith gagne  wrote:
>
>> To find out what happened to it read A New Earth
by
>> Eckhart Tolle.  Faith G.
>>
>> ----- Original Message - 
>> From: "Carol Ann" 

>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
>>
>>
>> > What an excellent analogy. Sometimes I dispair
of
>> > human logic and common sense and wonder what
>> happened
>> > to it.


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread faith gagne
I had radiation treatments and didn't feel a thing.  It was boring.  Faith G.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:39 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  My dad developed lung cancer when he was 61.  They found the cancer on a 
routine x-ray pre-op for prostrate surgery.  They said it was the size of a 
dime.  They did the prostrate surgery and he waited two months to do the lung 
surgery and the cancer had grown to the size of a quarter and they removed 1/2 
of his right lung and some lymph nodes of which two had cancer cells in them.  
He did not have chemo but they did radiation.  With the radiation they burned 
his throat muscles and also part of his heart.  He developed health issues from 
the radiation but he lived another 23 years.  He said there weren't enough 
people alive to hold him down on that table for one more radiation treatment.  
I do believe there were some mistakes made in his case but he might not have 
had those 23 years otherwise.  

  What finally did him is was another cancer.  He had been asking the skin 
doctor for several years to remove a blonde mole that the doctor said was fine. 
 When he finally got them to remove it the test came back stage four cancer.  
He was in incredible pain after the surgery and his weakened radiated heart 
couldn't take it.  The cause of death was put down as cancer and heart.

  If I were facing cancer I'm not sure what decisions I would make.  I don't 
trust doctors like I used to trust them and I'm scared of the safety of 
hospitals.  

  Dianne


Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Carol Ann

LOL.  Faith, I am social in that I have a circle of
friends and family, host get together s occasionally,
have a business  in which I must exchange professional
conversation business wise, etc. yet covet the peace
and tranquility incumbent upon me to create.  My view
- One has to have one foot in each world to sustain
balance in life.  What I see regularly is the extreme.
Those which I do not choose to engage in superficial,
meaningless chit chat designed to keep one isolated
from living in the moment actually see me as an
extreme.

If one is in "quiet, introspective " mode the
perception by many media influenced, those in need of
constant stimulation, those uncomfortable with such a
place, is usually, that something is wrong. 



--- faith gagne  wrote:

> An introverted recluse?  You need Eckhart as much as
> anyone else does. 
> Faith G.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Carol Ann" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
> 
> 
> > "emphasizes the importance of being aware of the
> > present moment as a way of not being lost in
> thought."
> >
> > One thing that causes lost thoughts, imho, is how
> out
> > of touch people are with the Soul of the World.
> I'm
> > not so sure that I have to read, Eckhart...my kids
> > already seem to "think" I am becoming enough of an
> > introverted recluse.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- faith gagne  wrote:
> >
> >> To find out what happened to it read A New Earth
> by
> >> Eckhart Tolle.  Faith G.
> >>
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "Carol Ann" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:13 PM
> >> Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
> >>
> >>
> >> > What an excellent analogy. Sometimes I dispair
> of
> >> > human logic and common sense and wonder what
> >> happened
> >> > to it.
> 
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread sol
If I ever am diagnosed with any kind of cancer the very first thing I 
would do is start drinking 2 liters of my EIS per day, and keep it up 
for many months.
That said, radiation can be targeted much more narrowly these days. I'd 
bet the radiation your dad had killed off his thyroid, too.
On another list, I read that for routine dental x-rays they should put a 
barrier across the throat, just like they do the rest of your body. I am 
no longer going to allow these x-rays to be done unless I have a problem 
in a tooth, and unless they put a barrier across my throat. Dentist is 
going to be po'd no doubt, but my thyroid already has been exposed to 
enough.

sol

Dianne France wrote:
My dad developed lung cancer when he was 61.  They found the cancer on 
a routine x-ray pre-op for prostrate surgery.  They said it was the 
size of a dime.  They did the prostrate surgery and he waited two 
months to do the lung surgery and the cancer had grown to the size of 
a quarter and they removed 1/2 of his right lung and some lymph nodes 
of which two had cancer cells in them.  He did not have chemo but they 
did radiation.  With the radiation they burned his throat muscles and 
also part of his heart.  He developed health issues from the radiation 
but he lived another 23 years. 



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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread faith gagne
An introverted recluse?  You need Eckhart as much as anyone else does. 
Faith G.



- Original Message - 
From: "Carol Ann" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?



"emphasizes the importance of being aware of the
present moment as a way of not being lost in thought."

One thing that causes lost thoughts, imho, is how out
of touch people are with the Soul of the World. I'm
not so sure that I have to read, Eckhart...my kids
already seem to "think" I am becoming enough of an
introverted recluse.



--- faith gagne  wrote:


To find out what happened to it read A New Earth by
Eckhart Tolle.  Faith G.

- Original Message - 
From: "Carol Ann" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


> What an excellent analogy. Sometimes I dispair of
> human logic and common sense and wonder what
happened
> to it.



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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Teri Kavakos

Diane,

I think a lot depends on what kind of cancer you have.  There are many 
alternatives for treating many types of cancers but then there are ones 
like what my husband has that no natural remedies have ever worked for 
anyone who has it.  Maybe the reason the chemo did work for Gary is because 
he has not been treated with pharmaceuticals up to this point. The Dr. told 
us he only had a 20% chance that the chemo would work.  Rotten odds but he 
was dying of that I was sure.


It is interesting to me that the chemo that is working comes from a 
perriwinkel .


Teri


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread kmilkowski
See if you can dig up Murder by Injection, by Eustis Mullins [I think thats his 
name] He went into the origin of radiation treatment, according to his 
research, it came about by a quack that killed his family. After that he was 
run out of town and when on to where he wouldn't be noticed, New York, NY. That 
was basically how Sloan-Kettering got started killing people for fun.


Kurt
 Clayton Family  wrote: 
> anybody here remember when they started experimenting with chemo? It 
> was not called anything back then- a few enterprising drs got a bright 
> idea they wanted to try to combat cancer, which was invariably lethal. 
> They got permission to try it on willing volunteers who otherwise had a 
> death sentence. Surprisingly, some of them lived longer than they might 
> have, while others did not.  I remember one of the drs quoted as saying 
> that is was a balance of trying to kill the cancer cells without 
> killing the whole person- and since these drugs were poisonous, it was 
> tricky.
> 
> how the whole idea evolved into what we have today I am not sure, as I 
> did not pay too much attention to it while I was raising my kids, but 
> it is not entirely doom and gloom I am certain.  I wonder if it is a 
> big money maker for the big Pharma, as so many things are. I suspect 
> so.  Who pays for all those ads? Maybe it is them, but I have not 
> checked.
> 
> 
> On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:48 PM, joe bloggs wrote:
> 
> >  what is the point of having chemotherapy?  It's like getting people 
> > to lob bricks at your windows, and then crying out for help to replace 
> > your broken windows.  And there they all are, ready with their pink 
> > ribbons and their running miles to raise money to replace the windows, 
> > while all the while CONDONING the bricks being thrown at the windows.
> >   
> >  I somethimes despair of the human spirit and wonder what happened to 
> > it.
> >   
> >  Frankie
> >
> 
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread kmilkowski
Do you really think the radiation helped? I would look into that one a bit more 
carefully.

Kurt
 Dianne France  wrote: 
> My dad developed lung cancer when he was 61.  They found the cancer on a 
> routine x-ray pre-op for prostrate surgery.  They said it was the size of a 
> dime.  They did the prostrate surgery and he waited two months to do the lung 
> surgery and the cancer had grown to the size of a quarter and they removed 
> 1/2 of his right lung and some lymph nodes of which two had cancer cells in 
> them.  He did not have chemo but they did radiation.  With the radiation they 
> burned his throat muscles and also part of his heart.  He developed health 
> issues from the radiation but he lived another 23 years.  He said there 
> weren't enough people alive to hold him down on that table for one more 
> radiation treatment.  I do believe there were some mistakes made in his case 
> but he might not have had those 23 years otherwise.  
> 
> What finally did him is was another cancer.  He had been asking the skin 
> doctor for several years to remove a blonde mole that the doctor said was 
> fine.  When he finally got them to remove it the test came back stage four 
> cancer.  He was in incredible pain after the surgery and his weakened 
> radiated heart couldn't take it.  The cause of death was put down as cancer 
> and heart.
> 
> If I were facing cancer I'm not sure what decisions I would make.  I don't 
> trust doctors like I used to trust them and I'm scared of the safety of 
> hospitals.  
> 
> Dianne
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Teri Kavakos<mailto:t...@welshspringers.com> 
>   To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
>   Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:36 PM
>   Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
> 
> 
>   My mother had experimental chemo for uterine cancer back in 1965.  They 
>   removed a 8 lb tumor and treated her with chemo.  It bought her 35 yrs so 
>   she did benefit from it.
> 
>   My husband in now undergoing chemo his cancer had rapidly advanced and he 
>   was dying of liver failure last month.  We consented to chemo to try and 
>   save his life.  It worked and maybe that is only for the time being but his 
>   quality of life is good and he is alive.  Not all people have this kind of 
>   positive response.  I'm with you I don't like chemo and the negative side 
>   effects that many suffer.  But that said.  We can fight the good fight 
>   against cancer trying to use the various natural ways of healing. Then a 
>   time comes when nothing is working anymore and Chemo is the end 
>   choice.  There are some people who have  gone into remission of certain 
>   types of cancers, others are not so lucky.
> 
>   It's a very personal decision and as someone who never thought I would say 
>   yes  I found myself saying yes and I have no regrets.
> 
>   Teri
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-23 Thread Dianne France
My dad developed lung cancer when he was 61.  They found the cancer on a 
routine x-ray pre-op for prostrate surgery.  They said it was the size of a 
dime.  They did the prostrate surgery and he waited two months to do the lung 
surgery and the cancer had grown to the size of a quarter and they removed 1/2 
of his right lung and some lymph nodes of which two had cancer cells in them.  
He did not have chemo but they did radiation.  With the radiation they burned 
his throat muscles and also part of his heart.  He developed health issues from 
the radiation but he lived another 23 years.  He said there weren't enough 
people alive to hold him down on that table for one more radiation treatment.  
I do believe there were some mistakes made in his case but he might not have 
had those 23 years otherwise.  

What finally did him is was another cancer.  He had been asking the skin doctor 
for several years to remove a blonde mole that the doctor said was fine.  When 
he finally got them to remove it the test came back stage four cancer.  He was 
in incredible pain after the surgery and his weakened radiated heart couldn't 
take it.  The cause of death was put down as cancer and heart.

If I were facing cancer I'm not sure what decisions I would make.  I don't 
trust doctors like I used to trust them and I'm scared of the safety of 
hospitals.  

Dianne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Teri Kavakos<mailto:t...@welshspringers.com> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:36 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?


  My mother had experimental chemo for uterine cancer back in 1965.  They 
  removed a 8 lb tumor and treated her with chemo.  It bought her 35 yrs so 
  she did benefit from it.

  My husband in now undergoing chemo his cancer had rapidly advanced and he 
  was dying of liver failure last month.  We consented to chemo to try and 
  save his life.  It worked and maybe that is only for the time being but his 
  quality of life is good and he is alive.  Not all people have this kind of 
  positive response.  I'm with you I don't like chemo and the negative side 
  effects that many suffer.  But that said.  We can fight the good fight 
  against cancer trying to use the various natural ways of healing. Then a 
  time comes when nothing is working anymore and Chemo is the end 
  choice.  There are some people who have  gone into remission of certain 
  types of cancers, others are not so lucky.

  It's a very personal decision and as someone who never thought I would say 
  yes  I found myself saying yes and I have no regrets.

  Teri


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-22 Thread Teri Kavakos
My mother had experimental chemo for uterine cancer back in 1965.  They 
removed a 8 lb tumor and treated her with chemo.  It bought her 35 yrs so 
she did benefit from it.


My husband in now undergoing chemo his cancer had rapidly advanced and he 
was dying of liver failure last month.  We consented to chemo to try and 
save his life.  It worked and maybe that is only for the time being but his 
quality of life is good and he is alive.  Not all people have this kind of 
positive response.  I'm with you I don't like chemo and the negative side 
effects that many suffer.  But that said.  We can fight the good fight 
against cancer trying to use the various natural ways of healing. Then a 
time comes when nothing is working anymore and Chemo is the end 
choice.  There are some people who have  gone into remission of certain 
types of cancers, others are not so lucky.


It's a very personal decision and as someone who never thought I would say 
yes  I found myself saying yes and I have no regrets.


Teri


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-22 Thread Clayton Family
anybody here remember when they started experimenting with chemo? It 
was not called anything back then- a few enterprising drs got a bright 
idea they wanted to try to combat cancer, which was invariably lethal. 
They got permission to try it on willing volunteers who otherwise had a 
death sentence. Surprisingly, some of them lived longer than they might 
have, while others did not.  I remember one of the drs quoted as saying 
that is was a balance of trying to kill the cancer cells without 
killing the whole person- and since these drugs were poisonous, it was 
tricky.


how the whole idea evolved into what we have today I am not sure, as I 
did not pay too much attention to it while I was raising my kids, but 
it is not entirely doom and gloom I am certain.  I wonder if it is a 
big money maker for the big Pharma, as so many things are. I suspect 
so.  Who pays for all those ads? Maybe it is them, but I have not 
checked.



On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:48 PM, joe bloggs wrote:

 what is the point of having chemotherapy?  It's like getting people 
to lob bricks at your windows, and then crying out for help to replace 
your broken windows.  And there they all are, ready with their pink 
ribbons and their running miles to raise money to replace the windows, 
while all the while CONDONING the bricks being thrown at the windows.

  
 I somethimes despair of the human spirit and wonder what happened to 
it.

  
 Frankie




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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-22 Thread Carol Ann
"emphasizes the importance of being aware of the
present moment as a way of not being lost in thought."

One thing that causes lost thoughts, imho, is how out
of touch people are with the Soul of the World. I'm
not so sure that I have to read, Eckhart...my kids
already seem to "think" I am becoming enough of an
introverted recluse. 



--- faith gagne  wrote:

> To find out what happened to it read A New Earth by
> Eckhart Tolle.  Faith G.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Carol Ann" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:13 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?
> 
> 
> > What an excellent analogy. Sometimes I dispair of
> > human logic and common sense and wonder what
> happened
> > to it.
> >  
> >> -- Original message from joe bloggs
> >> : -- 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> what is the point of having chemotherapy?  It's
> like
> >> getting people to lob bricks at your windows, and
> >> then crying out for help to replace your broken
> >> windows.  And there they all are, ready with
> their
> >> pink ribbons and their running miles to raise
> money
> >> to replace the windows, while all the while
> >> CONDONING the bricks being thrown at the windows.
> >>  
> >> I somethimes despair of the human spirit and
> wonder
> >> what happened to it.
> >>  
> >> Frankie
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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-22 Thread faith gagne

To find out what happened to it read A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle.  Faith G.

- Original Message - 
From: "Carol Ann" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?



What an excellent analogy. Sometimes I dispair of
human logic and common sense and wonder what happened
to it.
 

-- Original message from joe bloggs
: -- 



what is the point of having chemotherapy?  It's like
getting people to lob bricks at your windows, and
then crying out for help to replace your broken
windows.  And there they all are, ready with their
pink ribbons and their running miles to raise money
to replace the windows, while all the while
CONDONING the bricks being thrown at the windows.
 
I somethimes despair of the human spirit and wonder

what happened to it.
 
Frankie



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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-22 Thread Carol Ann
What an excellent analogy. Sometimes I dispair of
human logic and common sense and wonder what happened
to it.


> -- Original message from joe bloggs
> : -- 
> 
> 
> what is the point of having chemotherapy?  It's like
> getting people to lob bricks at your windows, and
> then crying out for help to replace your broken
> windows.  And there they all are, ready with their
> pink ribbons and their running miles to raise money
> to replace the windows, while all the while
> CONDONING the bricks being thrown at the windows.
>  
> I somethimes despair of the human spirit and wonder
> what happened to it.
>  
> Frankie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Get fish-slapping on Messenger Play now! 


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-22 Thread mborgert






Ditto
Mary
-- Original message from joe bloggs : -- 







what is the point of having chemotherapy?  It's like getting people to lob bricks at your windows, and then crying out for help to replace your broken windows.  And there they all are, ready with their pink ribbons and their running miles to raise money to replace the windows, while all the while CONDONING the bricks being thrown at the windows. I somethimes despair of the human spirit and wonder what happened to it. Frankie

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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-22 Thread Gayla Roberts

Some folks simply do not understand there are alternatives. Sad!
Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
aera...@gmail.com


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Re: CS>WHY THE CHEMO?

2008-03-22 Thread kmilkowski
Well, it makes doctors alot of money and kills people. It's all just fun and 
games you know. Where would all the fun be if there were no profit and death?

Kurt
 joe bloggs  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> what is the point of having chemotherapy?  It's like getting people to lob 
> bricks at your windows, and then crying out for help to replace your broken 
> windows.  And there they all are, ready with their pink ribbons and their 
> running miles to raise money to replace the windows, while all the while 
> CONDONING the bricks being thrown at the windows.
>  
> I somethimes despair of the human spirit and wonder what happened to it.
>  
> Frankie
> _
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