RE: CS> Use of copper---

[Renee]

I'm assuming like any other seeds gathering--you have to wait till the head
of the flower is all dried out, then you shake the seeds into a bag.  You'll
have to watch to see if with the milk thistle, that like some thistles the
seeds are attached to 'wings' and tend to fly off in the wind (like
dandelions).  As I've never collected thistle seeds (have never seen wild
milk thistle here) you'll have to keep an eye on a plant to see what happens


Collecting seeds will mean you have some little twigs or chaff, but I can't
see any big need to winnow them out, unless you get some big enough to just
pick up with your fingers.  Store bought seeds will be clean--no chaff. 
Wild gathered you'll get some chaff.  But the chaff will grind up with the
seeds and probably has the same chemicals as the seeds.

Sometimes what people do with plants they are keeping seeds from is, as the
heads get closer to drying out, they cut off the flower heads and hang them
upside down to let them dry--if the seeds are the type to stick in the
flower heads.  If the seeds are the type to drop off, then they cut the
heads just before becoming completely dry, and place them into a paper bag. 
After the heads dry, they shake the bag to release the seeds.

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
 is during the summer we have lots of milk thistle plants on our property but I 
wouldn’t have a clue as to how to harvest their seeds. Do you or anybody else 
for that matter?

RE: CS> Use of copper---

[Lisa]

Hi Renee,

I think you're onto something here as far as using fresh milk thistle seed
and grinding them yourself. The question I have - is during the summer we
have lots of milk thistle plants on our property but I wouldn't have a clue
as to how to harvest their seeds. Do you or anybody else for that matter?

Thx.

Lisa

  _  

From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:15 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> Use of copper---

 


Just one spot could be anything.  Usually when one starts getting liver
spots they are past 50 and they usually start showing up first on hands,
though they can be anywhere.

 

But, unless you are 20 something, (and even then with todays world being
what it is) it never, ever hurts to do a liver cleanse.

 

There are many good ones out there, and they can be bought at any health
food store.  

 

Then after the cleanse it's good to continue to support the liver.  Milk
thistle is the number one liver support herb as it not only strengthens the
liver but helps build new cells.  The very best way to take milk thistle is
to buy milk thistle seeds, whole, and grind them as you use them.  They can
be put into a salt or pepper grinder, and just grind them over your salads
or potatoes, etc, or you can get a spice grinder and grind up just a few
days worth.

 

There's a good liver product that I've recently been hearing about on a pet
list.  It seems that many dogs that have had high liver values and have
already been on either prescription liver meds or on milk thistle, have
taken this product and within 2 to 3 weeks their liver values have come down
to normal.  

 

It is called Country Life Liver Support Factor. The cheapest place I've
Found it is   http://www.iherb

 

I would do a cleanse and then start on the Liver Support Factor.  OR, take
the morning drink of the juice of one half to one lemon, a tablespoon of
either grade B maple syrup or black strap molasses in a cup of warm water.
This helps to mildly clean the liver daily.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

---Original Message---

SO if I have just one spot on my face for several years and that means that
I need a liver cleanse do I just get one from  Sun Harvest?

Cathy 

 

 



 

 

 

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Renee]

Usually liver cleanses do not cause diarrhea.  Of course, every person is
different--so I would advise just starting with a tablet or two a day and
see how he reacts.

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
Do you happen to know what would happen after taking the liver cleanse tablets? 
 

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

This is such a brilliant supplier Renee, I always get my supplements from them 
as they are so reasonable.  Postage is amazing too - they charge me $4 whereas 
other places charge as much as $39!  Do you happen to know what would happen 
after taking the liver cleanse tablets?  Its just that my husband has a really 
delicate system and the least thing will have him rushing to the loo!  dee

On 24 Feb 2010, at 14:14, Renee wrote:

> Just one spot could be anything.  Usually when one starts getting liver spots 
> they are past 50 and they usually start showing up first on hands, though 
> they can be anywhere.
>  
> But, unless you are 20 something, (and even then with todays world being what 
> it is) it never, ever hurts to do a liver cleanse.
>  
> There are many good ones out there, and they can be bought at any health food 
> store. 
>  


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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Renee]

Just one spot could be anything.  Usually when one starts getting liver
spots they are past 50 and they usually start showing up first on hands,
though they can be anywhere.

But, unless you are 20 something, (and even then with todays world being
what it is) it never, ever hurts to do a liver cleanse.

There are many good ones out there, and they can be bought at any health
food store.  

Then after the cleanse it's good to continue to support the liver.  Milk
thistle is the number one liver support herb as it not only strengthens the
liver but helps build new cells.  The very best way to take milk thistle is
to buy milk thistle seeds, whole, and grind them as you use them.  They can
be put into a salt or pepper grinder, and just grind them over your salads
or potatoes, etc, or you can get a spice grinder and grind up just a few
days worth.

There's a good liver product that I've recently been hearing about on a pet
list.  It seems that many dogs that have had high liver values and have
already been on either prescription liver meds or on milk thistle, have
taken this product and within 2 to 3 weeks their liver values have come down
to normal.  

It is called Country Life Liver Support Factor. The cheapest place I've
Found it is   http://www.iherb

I would do a cleanse and then start on the Liver Support Factor.  OR, take
the morning drink of the juice of one half to one lemon, a tablespoon of
either grade B maple syrup or black strap molasses in a cup of warm water. 
This helps to mildly clean the liver daily.

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
SO if I have just one spot on my face for several years and that means that
I need a liver cleanse do I just get one from  Sun Harvest?
Cathy 
 

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Cathy39etc]

SO if I have just one spot on my face for several years and  that means 
that I need a liver cleanse do I just get one from  Sun  Harvest?
Cathy 
 
 
In a message dated 2/23/2010 11:04:46 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
gaiac...@gmail.com writes:

Thanks  Ode.  I've thought about taking, not so much colloidal copper as  
ormus copper.  But as I said, it's not a priority and I haven't  done it yet, 
even years after hearing the (almost) dead doctor  lecture.  So it may be 
years before I bother with it.  I'm  just simply always curious, and store 
the information that I hear.   And remarks set the gears into motion 
again--like when the other person  here mentioned making colloidal copper-I 
wondered 
if I could do it with  your machine--which made me wonder if copper was 
missing in our  diets--which made me remember the copper/hair thing.  And so it 
 
goes.  Questions and more questions. :-)
 
Samala,
Renee
 
---Original  Message---
 
 
   Isn't that dead doctor guy dead yet?
He was a glacier water ' ground up rock'  MLM  salesman.
You can't go by what salesmen say, even if partly true, every  person is
unique and extremely complicated.
 

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Renee]

Yeah, but now you can nyana-nyana your husband because you don't need the
liver cleanse.  :-)

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
  
Ooh, I've done it again!  I mean thanks Renee!  dee
 

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Ooh, I've done it again!  I mean thanks Renee!  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 17:21, Renee wrote:

> No, it's not the going to the bathroom that has anything to do with liver 
> spots--it's an overloaded liver that makes them show up in the skin.  So a 
> liver cleanse is needed.  But a person should be going to the bathroom 
> regularly BEFORE a liver cleanse is started, to make sure the toxins from the 
> cleanse is removed from the body.
>  
> So what this means is that your liver is in good condition and your husband's 
> is dealing with an overload of toxins.  Which means he could use a liver 
> cleanse.
>  
> Samala,
> Renee
>  


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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks Samala.  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 17:21, Renee wrote:

> No, it's not the going to the bathroom that has anything to do with liver 
> spots--it's an overloaded liver that makes them show up in the skin.  So a 
> liver cleanse is needed.  But a person should be going to the bathroom 
> regularly BEFORE a liver cleanse is started, to make sure the toxins from the 
> cleanse is removed from the body.
>  
> So what this means is that your liver is in good condition and your husband's 
> is dealing with an overload of toxins.  Which means he could use a liver 
> cleanse.
>  
> Samala,
> Renee
>  


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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[sol]

At 06:14 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote:
I thought 'liver/age' spots were caused by lack of selenium and sun 
damage?  dee


Well, mine have never faded like this before, it IS winter and they 
may darken again in the summer, but they used to remain quite dark 
year round, though admittedly darker in summer. I have had very many, 
very dark and large on the backs of my hands for many years now. I 
even had a couple of them treated by freezing by a plastic surgeon, 
when he was freezing off some little warty things.
I have a good intake of selenium, which I have actually lowered very 
recently due to info posted by Ode, so time will tell. Months from 
now, when I am happily wandering around the yard working in the 
garden, I will try to remember to update about them.

sol


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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Renee]

No, it's not the going to the bathroom that has anything to do with liver
spots--it's an overloaded liver that makes them show up in the skin.  So a
liver cleanse is needed.  But a person should be going to the bathroom
regularly BEFORE a liver cleanse is started, to make sure the toxins from
the cleanse is removed from the body.

So what this means is that your liver is in good condition and your husband
s is dealing with an overload of toxins.  Which means he could use a liver
cleanse.

Samala,
Renee 

---Original Message---
---
 
Hmm...my husband is as regular as clock-work at least twice a day and has
loads of 'liver' spots, whereas I can go for days without 'going' and have
none!  dee
 

RE: CS> Use of copper---

[sol]

At 08:53 PM 2/22/2010, you wrote:

[...could be another reason I have "blue moons",...]
-They're slowly being eliminated one by one by the looks of it, 
that's two down in as many weeks, if I stick around long enough I 
believe I'll get a 'hat trick' .


This appears to throw some *doubt?* on yet another suggestion that 
EIS alone caused an issue {"innocent until proven guilty beyond all 
reasonable doubt", isn't that how it goes?}.  Not saying it didn't 
mind...but I'm striking *you* off my list as well Sol, sorry about that.


As I see it it is still the silver that is the coloration, but it 
deposited possibly helped along by lifestyle and diet choices I was 
making. And take into consideration, I am certainly NOT the only 
person to have either copper excess, nor to have been taking in an 
inordinate amount of caffeine while taking high dose CS. I would bet 
there are others on this list for whom both those factors apply, who 
do not have the nail problem, so there is much more to find out.




This is what I meant a while ago about a person being flooded with a 
million questions in response to a 'blanket statement', nobody 
*really* knows what someone else is doing...and possibly in 
conjunction with EIS?  The only way of REALLY finding out is 
to...'get up close and personal', which I consider a tad...shall we 
say...invasive? Hence I won't do it, I'd rather quietly draw my own 
conclusions and just settle for reading between the lines.


I agree, there are many more variables, more unknown details that 
nobody thinks to question.
If asked at the time, I would not have thought either one 
significant. Live and learn, LOL.

sol



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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Hmm...my husband is as regular as clock-work at least twice a day and has loads 
of 'liver' spots, whereas I can go for days without 'going' and have none!  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 14:26, Renee wrote:

> Nah, liver and age spots are due to--liver toxicity.  I was just writing that 
> about copper because the previous post said it was due to too much copper, 
> and I'd posted that I heard that traveling doctor say grey hair was due to 
> not enough copper.  And since I had both--grey hair and liver spots--where 
> did that leave me?  Too much or too little?  Lol 
>  
> But seriously, when a person does a good liver cleanse, and does it long 
> enough, the spots go away.  It's one method of physically seeing that your 
> liver needs help--so I need to get my but into gear and go on an internal 
> cleanse.  Because if the liver is showing it needs help, then you can bet the 
> kidneys do too. 
>  
> Start with a colon cleanse, because that needs to be working correctly so as 
> to be able to eliminate the toxins the liver and kidney cleanses dump into 
> the blood.  If you aren't going to the bathroom regularly, the toxins can't 
> get out and they get reabsorbed into the system--which is why you'll hear 
> people say they get headaches or nausea on organ cleanses.  They aren't 
> getting those toxins out and the body is trying to deal with them.
>  
> Samala,
> Renee
>  


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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Ode Coyote]

  Isn't that dead doctor guy dead yet?
He was a glacier water ' ground up rock'  MLM salesman.
You can't go by what salesmen say, even if partly true, every person is 
unique and extremely complicated.


[ OK..so this guy drank glacier melt water and lived for 140 years, but he 
can't count past ten. ]


Copper toxicity has easily determined early symptoms like numbness of 
limbs, difficulty in concentrating and mood swings.
Having deliberately increased exposure to Copper and being aware of that, 
you'll know if there's a problem and can escape before it's irreversible 
just by cutting back on exposure and having the symptoms go away...it's not 
instant destruction.
Theoretically, however, you might not realize what overloading the 
regulation system with one metal is doing with other metals.
And if you haven't purposefully increased exposure, you might not know why 
you feel so weird, or even that you DO feel weird, while those around you 
that don't have that problem even under the same circumstance worry their 
heads off.


Copper, like Aluminum,  is so common that's it's generally really difficult 
to avoid...but then, minerals are not the least bit evenly distributed.
 The blanket statement that soils have had all the Silver leached out of 
them can't be true when no two soils have ever been the same even a few 
yards apart and Silver is a semi rare mineral to start with...or that 
modern foods lack the nutrients of the old days, when modern farmers 
actually take great care to supplement soils with minerals, unlike back in 
the old days...and the foods of the old days have never been analyzed to 
see WHAT WAS in them.

If something isn't there, organic farming methods don't "create" it.
And old farming methods were even worse for soils than modern farming 
methods, often burning soils out so much they wouldn't even grow grass or 
anything but scrubby short needle pines with really long tap roots. [Go 
West, young man, your Daddys Eastern farm is dead.]


Skin cream salesmen may say something like  Collagen has Copper in it, 
therefore, more Copper will build Collagen as though why you aren't 
building it is because you have a Copper shortage..when there may be a 
hundred other more likely reasons that isn't happening.  {Hey, try it.  If 
it works it works, but nobody has *your* gospel ]


Ode

At 09:12 AM 2/22/2010 -0600, you wrote:
Thanks Ode.  Considering I've had your puppy for, oh, 4 or 5 years now, 
I'm assuming the regulator wouldn't be one of the energy savers.


I was just wondering if it was possible to make CC.  Not that I'm 
interested because I already know, as you say, it can be toxic at higher 
doses--and how does a person tell if they are at a too high dose?  Blood 
test I suppose, but since we don't even have a family doctor, we'd be hard 
pressed to get a blood test for it.


I have often thought about just buying a bottle of CC and trying it simply 
because of the 'dead doctors don't lie' guy.  I heard him talk once and he 
said anyone with grey hair has a copper shortage.  Since I greyed in my 
30's I've often thought about trying the CC for this, but since I'm in my 
50's now, and still haven't, you can tell how important it is to me. :)


Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---


   Yes..but probably not with the newer regulated 24 volt power supplies.
You need at least 27-28 volts at the electrodes which an unregulated 100+
milliamp 24 volt supply will deliver @ the Pups current load..the Pup is
good to 36 volts in AC or DC.



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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Renee]

Thanks Ode.  I've thought about taking, not so much colloidal copper as
ormus copper.  But as I said, it's not a priority and I haven't done it yet,
even years after hearing the (almost) dead doctor lecture.  So it may be
years before I bother with it.  I'm just simply always curious, and store
the information that I hear.  And remarks set the gears into motion
again--like when the other person here mentioned making colloidal copper-I
wondered if I could do it with your machine--which made me wonder if copper
was missing in our diets--which made me remember the copper/hair thing.  And
so it goes.  Questions and more questions. :-)

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
 
   Isn't that dead doctor guy dead yet?
He was a glacier water ' ground up rock'  MLM salesman.
You can't go by what salesmen say, even if partly true, every person is
unique and extremely complicated.
 

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Renee]

I've heard about that herb before.  I wonder if it's true.  Just one more
thing to experiment with.  Sigh

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
 
You might consider adaptogens like Fo Ti (Ho Shu Wu) which can
supposedly turn hair back to natural color, or retard getting grey.
 

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Renee]

Nah, liver and age spots are due to--liver toxicity.  I was just writing
that about copper because the previous post said it was due to too much
copper, and I'd posted that I heard that traveling doctor say grey hair was
due to not enough copper.  And since I had both--grey hair and liver
spots--where did that leave me?  Too much or too little?  Lol  

But seriously, when a person does a good liver cleanse, and does it long
enough, the spots go away.  It's one method of physically seeing that your
liver needs help--so I need to get my but into gear and go on an internal
cleanse.  Because if the liver is showing it needs help, then you can bet
the kidneys do too.  

Start with a colon cleanse, because that needs to be working correctly so as
to be able to eliminate the toxins the liver and kidney cleanses dump into
the blood.  If you aren't going to the bathroom regularly, the toxins can't
get out and they get reabsorbed into the system--which is why you'll hear
people say they get headaches or nausea on organ cleanses.  They aren't
getting those toxins out and the body is trying to deal with them.

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
I thought 'liver/age' spots were caused by lack of selenium and sun damage? 
dee
 

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Tad Winiecki]

You might consider adaptogens like Fo Ti (Ho Shu Wu) which can 
supposedly turn hair back to natural color, or retard getting grey. 


Nancy

On 23 Feb 2010, at 04:20, Renee wrote:

  

Well dang--I've got grey hair--symptom of not enough copper, and a couple liver 
spots on my right hand, a symptom of too much copper.  What's a lady to do??  
;-)
 
Samala,

Renee




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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I thought 'liver/age' spots were caused by lack of selenium and sun damage?  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 04:20, Renee wrote:

> Well dang--I've got grey hair--symptom of not enough copper, and a couple 
> liver spots on my right hand, a symptom of too much copper.  What's a lady to 
> do??  ;-)
>  
> Samala,
> Renee
>  
> ---Original Message---
>  
> I did read elsewhere an email claiming that liver spots (those dark
> "age" spots on hands, etc) can  indicate excess copper. And I have to
> say mine have faded a rather tremendous amount since I began a
> program of supplements to reduce copper. (I had taken copper for
> years without taking any zinc).
>  


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[Renee]

Well dang--I've got grey hair--symptom of not enough copper, and a couple
liver spots on my right hand, a symptom of too much copper.  What's a lady
to do??  ;-)

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
I did read elsewhere an email claiming that liver spots (those dark
"age" spots on hands, etc) can  indicate excess copper. And I have to
say mine have faded a rather tremendous amount since I began a
program of supplements to reduce copper. (I had taken copper for
years without taking any zinc).
 

RE: CS> Use of copper---

[Neville Munn]

[...could be another reason I have "blue moons",...]

-They're slowly being eliminated one by one by the looks of it, that's two down 
in as many weeks, if I stick around long enough I believe I'll get a 'hat 
trick' .

 

This appears to throw some *doubt?* on yet another suggestion that EIS alone 
caused an issue {"innocent until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt", 
isn't that how it goes?}.  Not saying it didn't mind...but I'm striking *you* 
off my list as well Sol, sorry about that.

 

This is what I meant a while ago about a person being flooded with a million 
questions in response to a 'blanket statement', nobody *really* knows what 
someone else is doing...and possibly in conjunction with EIS?  The only way of 
REALLY finding out is to...'get up close and personal', which I consider a 
tad...shall we say...invasive? Hence I won't do it, I'd rather quietly draw my 
own conclusions and just settle for reading between the lines.

 

N.

 

 
> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:36:47 -0700
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> From: sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
> Subject: Re: CS> Use of copper---
> 
> At 08:12 AM 2/22/2010, you wrote:
> 
> >how does a person tell if they are at a too high dose?
> 
> I personally just figured it out as a supposition worth trying a 
> remedy for after repeatedly running across mention of symptoms of 
> excess copper that I have had for years.
> 
> From my notes: excessive intake of copper can cause abdominal pain 
> and cramps, nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, and liver damage. Still for 
> chronic excess copper and copper deficiency, there is some symptom 
> overlap, and you can find lists of those symptoms via online searches.
> 
> I did read elsewhere an email claiming that liver spots (those dark 
> "age" spots on hands, etc) can indicate excess copper. And I have to 
> say mine have faded a rather tremendous amount since I began a 
> program of supplements to reduce copper. (I had taken copper for 
> years without taking any zinc).
> 
> Given what Ode wrote about high levels of copper interfering with 
> silver excretion that could be another reason I have "blue moons", 
> along with my then extremely high intake of caffeine.
> sol
> 
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[sol]

At 08:12 AM 2/22/2010, you wrote:


how does a person tell if they are at a too high dose?


I personally just figured it out as a supposition worth trying a 
remedy for after repeatedly running across mention of symptoms of 
excess copper that I have had for years.


From my notes: excessive intake of copper can cause abdominal pain 
and cramps, nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, and liver damage. Still for 
chronic excess copper and copper deficiency, there is some symptom 
overlap, and you can find lists of those symptoms via online searches.


I did read elsewhere an email claiming that liver spots (those dark 
"age" spots on hands, etc) can  indicate excess copper. And I have to 
say mine have faded a rather tremendous amount since I began a 
program of supplements to reduce copper. (I had taken copper for 
years without taking any zinc).


Given what Ode wrote about high levels of copper interfering with 
silver excretion that could be another reason I have "blue moons", 
along with my then extremely high intake of caffeine.

sol


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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Renee]

That's what I thought.  Give it a trial.

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
A short trial of a few months perhaps?
 
   

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[cking001]

Renee
Copper supplements are indeed small <3 mg elemental Cu,
not much is needed.
You might try a supplement, very inexpensive.
I expect colloidal would be a small dose by definition.

A short trial of a few months perhaps?

Chuck
"Chocaholic Mom Has Sugar-Coated Baby." (Named Candy, of course)


On 2/22/2010 10:12:05 AM, Renee (gaiac...@gmail.com) wrote:
> Thanks Ode. Considering I've had your puppy for, oh, 4 or 5 years now, I'm
> assuming the regulator
> wouldn't be one of the energy savers.
> 
> I was just wondering if it was possible to make CC. Not that I'm
> interested because I already know, as you say, it can be toxic at higher
> doses--and how does a person tell if they are at a too high dose? Blood
> test I suppose, but since we don't even have a family doctor, we'd be hard
> pressed to get a blood test for it.
> 
> I have often thought about just buying a bottle of CC and trying it simply
> because of the 'dead doctors don't
> lie' guy. I heard him talk once and he said anyone with grey hair has a 
> copper shortage. Since I greyed in my 30's
> I've often thought about trying the CC for this, but since I'm in my
> 50's now, and still haven't, you can tell how important it is to me. :)
> 
> Samala,
> Renee
> 


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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Marshall Dudley]

It should, although copper oxidizes pretty quickly from what I have 
heard so after a few days it will look like something the witches of 
Eastwick brewed (pretty turqouise green though).


Marshall

Renee wrote:
Ode, does this mean if I put copper wire in the Silver Puppy it will 
make colloidal copper? 
 
Samala,

Renee
 
/---Original Message---/
 
 
 
No, not together; they have the copper sticks as well as the Silver 
ones and a voltage meter which I don't know why we need one of those. Lee
 







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[Karen and Jerry Conrad]

  Just some info for anyone who would like to know, you can join www.lef.org 
for 75 dollars a year and order your own bolld work and other lab tests for 
your self and your family through labcorp labs for a very reasonable amount and 
their lab techs will gp over the result;ts with you, (of course this is for 
informational purposes, only) and then you can bring copies to your GP if you 
like to go over the tests with you. we do this at least once a year. HTH 
Blessings, Karen Conrad


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  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: CS> Use of copper---


Thanks Ode.  Considering I've had your puppy for, oh, 4 or 5 years now, 
I'm assuming the regulator wouldn't be one of the energy savers. 

I was just wondering if it was possible to make CC.  Not that I'm 
interested because I already know, as you say, it can be toxic at higher 
doses--and how does a person tell if they are at a too high dose?  Blood test I 
suppose, but since we don't even have a family doctor, we'd be hard pressed to 
get a blood test for it.

I have often thought about just buying a bottle of CC and trying it 
simply because of the 'dead doctors don't lie' guy.  I heard him talk once and 
he said anyone with grey hair has a copper shortage.  Since I greyed in my 30's 
I've often thought about trying the CC for this, but since I'm in my 50's now, 
and still haven't, you can tell how important it is to me. :)

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---


   Yes..but probably not with the newer regulated 24 volt power 
supplies.
You need at least 27-28 volts at the electrodes which an unregulated 
100+
milliamp 24 volt supply will deliver @ the Pups current load..the Pup is
good to 36 volts in AC or DC. 
  
   

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Renee]

Thanks Ode.  Considering I've had your puppy for, oh, 4 or 5 years now, I'm
assuming the regulator wouldn't be one of the energy savers. 

I was just wondering if it was possible to make CC.  Not that I'm interested
because I already know, as you say, it can be toxic at higher doses--and how
does a person tell if they are at a too high dose?  Blood test I suppose,
but since we don't even have a family doctor, we'd be hard pressed to get a
blood test for it.

I have often thought about just buying a bottle of CC and trying it simply
because of the 'dead doctors don't lie' guy.  I heard him talk once and he
said anyone with grey hair has a copper shortage.  Since I greyed in my 30's
I've often thought about trying the CC for this, but since I'm in my 50's
now, and still haven't, you can tell how important it is to me. :)

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
 
   Yes..but probably not with the newer regulated 24 volt power supplies.
You need at least 27-28 volts at the electrodes which an unregulated 100+
milliamp 24 volt supply will deliver @ the Pups current load..the Pup is
good to 36 volts in AC or DC.

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Ode Coyote]

  Yes..but probably not with the newer regulated 24 volt power supplies.
You need at least 27-28 volts at the electrodes which an unregulated 100+ 
milliamp 24 volt supply will deliver @ the Pups current load..the Pup is 
good to 36 volts in AC or DC.
Unregulated power supplies are becoming more and more rare as an energy 
saving thing and are even illegal in some places now as switching power 
supplies take over. using less copper and waste less power.



 #10 house wire is pure by industry standards and will plug right in...but 
don't push it in too far or you can penetrate a vapor seal and short the 
board.  3/8" max or just until the wire is grabbed and held.
 Conductivity never goes over around 3 uS so the Auto Off won't work, nor 
does a meter...and current control is pointless.
You'll get the same results with 4 nines and a couple of lengths of wire. 
[Or plug 4 nines into a Pup to get the voltage if the OEM supply doesn't 
deliver it]


The only way you can tell you made CC is by the TE and you can't tell how 
strong.

 Shelf life is about 2 weeks as it oxidizes to a green/grey sediment.

Copper is a micro-nutrient that has to be well regulated if you want to 
have a nervous system.
It shares an elimination system with Silver, thus could decrease Silver 
elimination rates should there be too much Copper which the body MUST 
eliminate to avoid damaging the nervous system.
GOOGLE "Copper Toxicity" [Some of the symptoms could be mistaken for Autism 
and too much Copper could also slow down the elimination of Mercury for a 
double whammy ]


It is very common in the environment and in foods and only rarely needs 
supplementation for that reason.
Copper is added to many skin creams to [supposedly] enhance Collagen 
production.
Copper [And Zinc] kills germs as well as Silver [yes..and Mercury ] and 
works somewhat better on fungi, but, unlike Silver that has no functional 
biological niche, it "can" be quite toxic, though not likely so as it is 
quite closely regulated by -almost- EVERY bodyor elsebeing actually 
hard to avoid, you won't survive in most environments.


Copper, like Silver, has an affinity for damaged nerve tissues even in the 
brain, [GOOGLE  "Cupro-silver staining"]  but unlike Silver [except at 
enormous doseages], Copper can actually DO that damage.


 Careful there.

Ode


At 05:42 PM 2/21/2010 -0600, you wrote:
Ode, does this mean if I put copper wire in the Silver Puppy it will make 
colloidal copper?


Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---



No, not together; they have the copper sticks as well as the Silver ones 
and a voltage meter which I don't know why we need one of those. Lee





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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Ode Coyote]

  meters don't work at all with colloidal copper.

ode


At 05:04 PM 2/21/2010 -0600, you wrote:
No, not together; they have the copper sticks as well as the Silver ones 
and a voltage meter which I don't know why we need one of those. Lee

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From: <mailto:zzekel...@aol.com>zzekel...@aol.com
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: CS> Use of copper---

In a message dated 2/21/2010 5:05:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
<mailto:leslie1...@windstream.net>leslie1...@windstream.net writes:

Hi, When I saw Hair Loss I wanted to mention that Utopia is advertising an
elec. cs generator that makes copper also. I asked just what was copper for
and I was told it was for hair loss and energy. I would like to know if any
have any comments on copper. Thanks, Leslie
I haven't read about copper use yet either... Is it used in combination 
with CS (EIS)  ?   Lois



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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

You have to be VERY careful with copper supplementation because it it only 
needed in trace amounts.  It can kill if too much is ingested.  dee

On 21 Feb 2010, at 23:04, Leslie wrote:

> No, not together; they have the copper sticks as well as the Silver ones and 
> a voltage meter which I don't know why we need one of those. Lee
> - Original Message -
> From: zzekel...@aol.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:08 PM
> Subject: Re: CS> Use of copper---
> 
> In a message dated 2/21/2010 5:05:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> leslie1...@windstream.net writes:
> Hi, When I saw Hair Loss I wanted to mention that Utopia is advertising an 
> elec. cs generator that makes copper also. I asked just what was copper for 
> and I was told it was for hair loss and energy. I would like to know if any 
> have any comments on copper. Thanks, Leslie
> I haven't read about copper use yet either... Is it used in combination with 
> CS (EIS)  ?   Lois


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Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Renee]

Ode, does this mean if I put copper wire in the Silver Puppy it will make
colloidal copper?  

Samala,
Renee 

---Original Message---
 

 
No, not together; they have the copper sticks as well as the Silver ones and a 
voltage meter which I don't know why we need one of those. Lee

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[Leslie]

No, not together; they have the copper sticks as well as the Silver ones and a 
voltage meter which I don't know why we need one of those. Lee
  - Original Message - 
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:08 PM
  Subject: Re: CS> Use of copper---


  In a message dated 2/21/2010 5:05:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
leslie1...@windstream.net writes:
Hi, When I saw Hair Loss I wanted to mention that Utopia is advertising an 
elec. cs generator that makes copper also. I asked just what was copper for 
and I was told it was for hair loss and energy. I would like to know if any 
have any comments on copper. Thanks, Leslie

  I haven't read about copper use yet either... Is it used in combination with 
CS (EIS)  ?   Lois

Re: CS> Use of copper---

[ZZekelink]

 
In a message dated 2/21/2010 5:05:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
leslie1...@windstream.net writes:

Hi, When  I saw Hair Loss I wanted to mention that Utopia is advertising an 
elec. cs  generator that makes copper also. I asked just what was copper 
for 
and I  was told it was for hair loss and energy. I would like to know if 
any 
have  any comments on copper. Thanks, Leslie



I haven't read about copper use yet either... Is it used in combination  
with CS (EIS)  ?   Lois

Re: CS>use of high ppm CS ....question for Marshall Dudley

[Ode Coyote]

 The phone lines are current regulated at ~20 milliamps...too high to 
prevent "runaway" in a CS generator but low enough to prevent a fire in the 
switchboard when you short them out.
 A dial tone as high frequency DC pulses might be good as a pulse width 
lower averaged current control.



Ode


At 10:55 AM 12/3/2009 -0800, you wrote:

> phone line CS

Hahahahaha -- clever idea!  But there would be some problems if you aren't 
careful.  Standard phone line voltage is -48 volts DC, which would be fine 
for silver.  But as the current increases, it would eventually reach a 
point where the local office equipment would think someone has taken a 
phone off-hook, and it would react accordingly, sending you a dial tone 
and waiting for you to reach out and touch someone.


Only other problem you could have is a real surprise if you are handling 
the wires and someone calls -- 88 volts AC 20 Hz would give you a big of a 
tingle.


Dick


From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 1:36:10 PM
Subject: Re: CS>use of high ppm CS question for Marshall Dudley

<mailto:dj...@home.nl>dj...@home.nl wrote:
> Marshall Dudley hello,
>
> "Johhny Silverseed form <http://www.elixsilver.com>www.elixsilver.com 
uses vit C to make medicinal

> CS. Do you know if the vitamin C (ascorbic acid) also works like the
> citric acid?"
If you brew the EIS with ascorbic acid, the result should be silver ascorbate.
> Second question;  Johnny Siverseed also uses a kinda phoneline to make
> CS , what do you think about that?
I have heard of using the phone line for the voltage to make CS.  I think 
it is illegal to do so under FCC regulations.


Marshall
> I think that how cleaner the energysource is to make the CS the better.
> Maybe solarpanels are the best natural source?
>  Trudy.
>


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Re: CS>use of high ppm CS ....question for Marshall Dudley

[cking001]

This was one of Wayne Fugitt's favorite emergency devices.

Go to http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/Generators_Build/
And check out "Telephone Line CS Ma..>"

Chuck
Think "HONK" if you're a telepath 

On 12/3/2009 1:55:49 PM, Richard Goodwin (dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com)
wrote:
> > phone line CS
> 
> Hahahahaha -- clever idea! But there would be some problems if you aren't 
> careful. Standard phone line voltage is -48 volts DC, which would be fine for 
> silver. But as the current increases, it would eventually reach a point where 
> the local office equipment would think someone has taken a phone off-hook, 
> and it would react accordingly, sending you a dial tone and waiting for you 
> to reach out and touch someone.
> 
> Only other problem you could have is a real surprise if you are handling the 
> wires and someone calls -- 88 volts AC 20 Hz would give you a big of a tingle.
> 
> Dick
> 
> 


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Re: CS>use of high ppm CS ....question for Marshall Dudley

[Richard Goodwin]

> phone line CS

Hahahahaha -- clever idea!  But there would be some problems if you aren't 
careful.  Standard phone line voltage is -48 volts DC, which would be fine for 
silver.  But as the current increases, it would eventually reach a point where 
the local office equipment would think someone has taken a phone off-hook, and 
it would react accordingly, sending you a dial tone and waiting for you to 
reach out and touch someone.

Only other problem you could have is a real surprise if you are handling the 
wires and someone calls -- 88 volts AC 20 Hz would give you a big of a tingle.

Dick





From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 1:36:10 PM
Subject: Re: CS>use of high ppm CS question for Marshall Dudley

dj...@home.nl wrote:
> Marshall Dudley hello,
> 
> "Johhny Silverseed form www.elixsilver.com uses vit C to make medicinal
> CS. Do you know if the vitamin C (ascorbic acid) also works like the
> citric acid?"
If you brew the EIS with ascorbic acid, the result should be silver ascorbate.
> Second question;  Johnny Siverseed also uses a kinda phoneline to make
> CS , what do you think about that?
I have heard of using the phone line for the voltage to make CS.  I think it is 
illegal to do so under FCC regulations.

Marshall
> I think that how cleaner the energysource is to make the CS the better.
> Maybe solarpanels are the best natural source?
>  Trudy.
>  


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Re: CS>use of high ppm CS ....question for Marshall Dudley

[Marshall Dudley]

dj...@home.nl wrote:

Marshall Dudley hello,

"Johhny Silverseed form www.elixsilver.com uses vit C to make medicinal
CS. Do you know if the vitamin C (ascorbic acid) also works like the
citric acid?"
If you brew the EIS with ascorbic acid, the result should be silver 
ascorbate.

Second question;  Johnny Siverseed also uses a kinda phoneline to make
CS , what do you think about that?
I have heard of using the phone line for the voltage to make CS.  I 
think it is illegal to do so under FCC regulations.


Marshall

I think that how cleaner the energysource is to make the CS the better.
Maybe solarpanels are the best natural source?
 
Trudy.
 




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CS>use of high ppm CS ....question for Marshall Dudley

[djaja]

Marshall Dudley hello,

"Johhny Silverseed form www.elixsilver.com uses vit C to make medicinal 
CS. Do you know if the vitamin C (ascorbic acid) also works like the 
citric acid?"
Second question;  Johnny Siverseed also uses a kinda phoneline to make 
CS , what do you think about that?
I think that how cleaner the energysource is to make the CS the better. 
Maybe solarpanels are the best natural source?

Trudy.

Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Marshall Dudley]

Thanks you. You have provided some excellent information below. I was 
not aware that an abundance of citrate ions would enhance the solubility 
of Silver citrate, although I do know that is the case with Silver 
chloride and chlorine ions.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:


I first sent this as Rich Text but it did not appear to post, so here 
it is as HTML.


Marshall,

You are right that the amount of citric acid is high but I think it is 
not as high as you indicate. As you noted before, you can only achieve 
about a 285 ppm concentration of silver citrate in water. To get 
higher concentrations, you need to have the silver citrate dissolved 
in a citric acid solution and that is the reason for the additional 
citric acid. In my first attempt at silver citrate, I used a 10 
percent solution because the following patent performed testing with 
solutions of 1, 5, and 10 percent: 
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6197814.html. According to the 
patent, 400 ppm SC made with 5 and 20 percent solutions of citric acid 
are stable during storage but with 1 percent it was not. I had plenty 
of citric acid powder so I went with 10 percent for the first try.


Next, I used a 5% solution, by volume, of citric acid dissolved in 
distilled water for concentrations of up to 600 ppm. Measurement of 
the citric acid was not critical since I used more citric acid than is 
necessary.


Currently, I am using 1/8 cup for 2 liters water, which I think is in 
the 2 – 3% range. I do it to keep the tart taste of the SC at an 
acceptable level while easing the effort to make the SC. The solution 
is stable over time too. I use a manual setup with no stirring. When I 
make the SC, I just cut the top off a gallon distilled water plastic 
bottle to where I will have 2 liters water in the container and a 
little additional height to prevent spillage. The separation if the 
electrodes is determined by the container’s width..Given, the 
conductivity of the solution, I could use a wider container but there 
is no need to.


My earlier attempts with higher citric acid concentrations showed a 
little formation of silver oxide on the negative electrode near the 
end if the generation. With the current concentration I see oxide 
formation starting just around the 200 ppm concentration. So I 
continue to use the 1/8 cup of citric acid to minimize the need to 
clean the electrode. Also, the higher citric acid concentrations 
showed little or no current drop off during the generation. At the 
present concentration, I do see some drop off of electrode current. 
The current plus the silver oxide formation indicate to me that I 
might be getting around the max ppm for the concentration. Remember 
that the patent indicated that 400 ppm at a 1% solution is not stable 
and that some of the citric acid is consumed in the making of the 
silver citrate.


Just FYI:

If you use enough citric acid you can generate silver citrate 
solutions to over 23,000 ppm. See Figure 4 in:


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590638/:

"Silver citrate is a white substance with a very limited solubility in 
water. Under the normal physicochemical conditions, 1 part of silver 
citrate is soluble in 3500 parts of water, which corresponds to 285 
ppm of Ag(I) ion in the solution [11]."


"Formation of silver citrate/citric acid complexed solutions was 
investigated. Although, silver citrate is minimally soluble in water, 
it can successfully be dissolved in citric acid solutions. The maximum 
concentration of Ag(I) in solution is estimated at 23 to 25 g/L if the 
concentration of citric acid is at least 4 mol/L or higher."


In the report above, the graph in Figure 4 shows how much citric acid 
you need vs the ppm of the silver citrate. Please note that the graph 
does not include the citric acid needed to create the silver citrate 
in the first place so one will need to use more than is shown.


Regards,

Steve N

-Original Message-

From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]

Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:27 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

That seems excessive for the citric acid. That would produce over 2000

ppm silver citrate if you ran it to completion.

Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:

>

> You need to use powdered citric acid. I use 1/8 cup for 2 liters

> water. The citric acid increases the conductivity of the solution so

> you cannot use an automated CS generator. Also if the generator uses

> current limiting it will take a long time to get to a high ppm. A

> manual setup without current limiting is best. Also, a battery powered

> setup may not have enough current capability.

> - Steve N

>




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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Norton, Steve]

I first sent this as Rich Text but it did not appear to post, so here it
is as HTML.

 

Marshall,

 

You are right that the amount of citric acid is high but I think it is
not as high as you indicate. As you noted before, you can only achieve
about a 285 ppm concentration of silver citrate in water. To get higher
concentrations, you need to have the silver citrate dissolved in a
citric acid solution and that is the reason for the additional citric
acid. In my first attempt at silver citrate, I used a 10 percent
solution because the following patent performed testing with solutions
of 1, 5, and 10 percent: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6197814.html.
According to the patent, 400 ppm SC made with 5 and 20 percent solutions
of citric acid are stable during storage but with 1 percent it was not.
I had plenty of citric acid powder so I went with 10 percent for the
first try.

 

Next, I used a 5% solution, by volume, of citric acid dissolved in
distilled water for concentrations of up to 600 ppm. Measurement of the
citric acid was not critical since I used more citric acid than is
necessary. 

 

Currently, I am using 1/8 cup for 2 liters water, which I think is in
the 2 - 3% range. I do it to keep the tart taste of the SC at an
acceptable level while easing the effort to make the SC. The solution is
stable over time too. I use a manual setup with no stirring.  When I
make the SC, I just cut the top off a gallon distilled water plastic
bottle to where I will have 2 liters water in the container and a little
additional height to prevent spillage. The separation if the electrodes
is determined by the container's width..Given, the conductivity of the
solution, I could use a wider container but there is no need to. 

 

My earlier attempts with higher citric acid concentrations showed a
little formation of silver oxide on the negative electrode near the end
if the generation. With the current concentration I see oxide formation
starting just around the 200 ppm concentration. So I continue to use the
1/8 cup of citric acid to minimize the need to clean the electrode.
Also, the higher citric acid concentrations showed little or no current
drop off during the generation. At the present concentration, I do see
some drop off of electrode current. The current plus the silver oxide
formation  indicate to me that I might be getting around the max ppm for
the concentration. Remember that the patent indicated that 400 ppm at a
1% solution is not stable and that some of the citric acid is consumed
in the making of the silver citrate.

 

Just FYI:

If you use enough citric acid you can generate silver citrate solutions
to over 23,000 ppm. See Figure 4 in:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590638/:

 

"Silver citrate is a white substance with a very limited solubility in
water. Under the normal physicochemical conditions, 1 part of silver
citrate is soluble in 3500 parts of water, which corresponds to 285 ppm
of Ag(I) ion in the solution [11]."

 

"Formation of silver citrate/citric acid complexed solutions was
investigated. Although, silver citrate is minimally soluble in water, it
can successfully be dissolved in citric acid solutions. The maximum
concentration of Ag(I) in solution is estimated at 23 to 25 g/L if the
concentration of citric acid is at least 4 mol/L or higher."

 

In the report above, the graph in Figure 4 shows how much citric acid
you need vs the ppm of the silver citrate. Please note that the graph
does not include the citric acid needed to create the silver citrate in
the first place so one will need to use more than is shown.

 

Regards,

 Steve N

 

 

-Original Message-

From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 

Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:27 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

 

That seems excessive for the citric acid.  That would produce over 2000 

ppm  silver citrate if you ran it to completion.

 

Marshall

 

Norton, Steve wrote:

> 

> You need to use powdered citric acid. I use 1/8 cup for 2 liters 

> water. The citric acid increases the conductivity of the solution so 

> you cannot use an automated CS generator. Also if the generator uses 

> current limiting it will take a long time to get to a high ppm. A 

> manual setup without current limiting is best. Also, a battery powered


> setup may not have enough current capability.

>  - Steve N

> 

 

Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

  Using distilled white vinegar will make silver acetate...also very 
soluble in water up to a several hundred PPM.


ode




- Original Message -
From: leslie3...@windstream.net 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Cc: Norton, Steve
Sent: Wed Nov 25 23:08:58 2009
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

Hummm. How much and what kind of citric acid? Lemon juice or vinegar do?? 
Would the high ppm be ok to drink or just gargling or spraying on your skin??

Leslie



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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Marshall Dudley]

That seems excessive for the citric acid.  That would produce over 2000 
ppm  silver citrate if you ran it to completion.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:


You need to use powdered citric acid. I use 1/8 cup for 2 liters 
water. The citric acid increases the conductivity of the solution so 
you cannot use an automated CS generator. Also if the generator uses 
current limiting it will take a long time to get to a high ppm. A 
manual setup without current limiting is best. Also, a battery powered 
setup may not have enough current capability.

 - Steve N

- Original Message -
From: leslie3...@windstream.net 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Cc: Norton, Steve
Sent: Wed Nov 25 23:08:58 2009
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

Hummm. How much and what kind of citric acid? Lemon juice or vinegar 
do?? Would the high ppm be ok to drink or just gargling or spraying on 
your skin??

Leslie
 "Norton wrote:
> Silver citrate is made by adding citric acid to the distilled water 
before making CS. It allows you to make high ppm silver citrate.
> I read on silvermedicine 
http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2archives.html about using CS plus 
H2O2. I think you would need to mix the two just before use. Or try  
H2O2 with 10% DMSO.

>  - Steve N
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Leslie 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Wed Nov 25 17:40:39 2009
> Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
>
> Is silver citrate when you overcook as the 200 PPM?? My grandson has 
some infected teeth and has had a time. I had recommended peroxide as 
well as CS but didn't seem to take care of it.

>
> Leslie
>




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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Marshall Dudley]

Silver citrate is made by brewing in distilled water in which has had 
citric acid added.  It can be brewed up to around 280 ppm.


Marshall

Leslie wrote:

Is silver citrate when you overcook as the 200 PPM?? My grandson has some 
infected teeth and has had a time. I had recommended peroxide as well as CS but 
didn't seem to take care of it.

Leslie



- Original Message 
From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, May 21, 2009 4:57:50 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS



..never hurts to know sumptin...and, of course, you are mindful about 
volume and duration of use at 200 PPM.


Ode



At 09:53 AM 5/20/2009 -0500, you wrote:
  

Yes, I made my own silver citrate. I actually didn't expect the silver
citrate to work if the CS/DMSO and the penicillin were not working and
was pleasantly surprised when it did.
  - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:01 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS



Whatever works, works.
Did you make your own silver citrate?

Ode


At 06:07 AM 5/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:


Could be. I do use hydrogen peroxide once daily but I did not try it
periodically or with DMSO. I will remember that for the next time.
- Steve N


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To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tue May 19 05:57:20 2009
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this Steve.
Dee

---Original Message---

From: <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com>Norton, Steve
Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS


I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an infection
  
to my tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and
  
I used EIS with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing

my mouth with 200 ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it
eliminated the infection in less than 2 days. I could tell an
improvement after the first use of the SC.
Just an FYI.
  - Steve N

  

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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Norton, Steve]

You need to use powdered citric acid. I use 1/8 cup for 2 liters water. The 
citric acid increases the conductivity of the solution so you cannot use an 
automated CS generator. Also if the generator uses current limiting it will 
take a long time to get to a high ppm. A manual setup without current limiting 
is best. Also, a battery powered setup may not have enough current capability. 
 - Steve N

- Original Message -
From: leslie3...@windstream.net 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Cc: Norton, Steve
Sent: Wed Nov 25 23:08:58 2009
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

Hummm. How much and what kind of citric acid? Lemon juice or vinegar do?? Would 
the high ppm be ok to drink or just gargling or spraying on your skin??
Leslie
 "Norton wrote: 
> Silver citrate is made by adding citric acid to the distilled water before 
> making CS. It allows you to make high ppm silver citrate. 
> I read on silvermedicine http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2archives.html 
> about using CS plus H2O2. I think you would need to mix the two just before 
> use. Or try  H2O2 with 10% DMSO.
>  - Steve N
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Leslie 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Wed Nov 25 17:40:39 2009
> Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> 
> Is silver citrate when you overcook as the 200 PPM?? My grandson has some 
> infected teeth and has had a time. I had recommended peroxide as well as CS 
> but didn't seem to take care of it.
> 
> Leslie
>

Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Day Sutton]

In the book; "The Cure is in the Cupboard", they say to use Oregano Oil on a
small piece of cotton ant place it on the tooth overnight.  I have tried
this many times on myself and othere.  It worked every time...

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

>  Silver citrate is made by adding citric acid to the distilled water
> before making CS. It allows you to make high ppm silver citrate.
> I read on silvermedicine http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2archives.htmlabout 
> using CS plus H2O2. I think you would need to mix the two just before
> use. Or try  H2O2 with 10% DMSO.
>  - Steve N
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Leslie 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>  Sent: Wed Nov 25 17:40:39 2009
> Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
>
> Is silver citrate when you overcook as the 200 PPM?? My grandson has some
> infected teeth and has had a time. I had recommended peroxide as well as CS
> but didn't seem to take care of it.
>
> Leslie
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Ode Coyote 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thu, May 21, 2009 4:57:50 AM
> Subject: RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS
>
>
>
> ..never hurts to know sumptin...and, of course, you are mindful about
> volume and duration of use at 200 PPM.
>
> Ode
>
>
>
> At 09:53 AM 5/20/2009 -0500, you wrote:
> >Yes, I made my own silver citrate. I actually didn't expect the silver
> >citrate to work if the CS/DMSO and the penicillin were not working and
> >was pleasantly surprised when it did.
> >  - Steve N
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net
> ]
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:01 AM
> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> >
> >
> >
> >Whatever works, works.
> >Did you make your own silver citrate?
> >
> >Ode
> >
> >
> >At 06:07 AM 5/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Could be. I do use hydrogen peroxide once daily but I did not try it
> > >periodically or with DMSO. I will remember that for the next time.
> > >- Steve N
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >From: Dee Fitzpatrick 
> > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> > >Sent: Tue May 19 05:57:20 2009
> > >Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> > >
> > >I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this Steve.
> > >Dee
> > >
> > >---Original Message---
> > >
> > >From: <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com >Norton,
> Steve
> > >Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
> > >To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com >
> silver-list@eskimo.com
> > >Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> > >
> > >
> > >I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an infection
> >
> > >to my tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and
> >
> > >I used EIS with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing
> > >my mouth with 200 ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it
> > >eliminated the infection in less than 2 days. I could tell an
> > >improvement after the first use of the SC.
> > >Just an FYI.
> > >  - Steve N
> > >
> >
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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Norton, Steve]

Silver citrate is made by adding citric acid to the distilled water before 
making CS. It allows you to make high ppm silver citrate. 
I read on silvermedicine http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2archives.html about 
using CS plus H2O2. I think you would need to mix the two just before use. Or 
try  H2O2 with 10% DMSO.
 - Steve N

- Original Message -
From: Leslie 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wed Nov 25 17:40:39 2009
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

Is silver citrate when you overcook as the 200 PPM?? My grandson has some 
infected teeth and has had a time. I had recommended peroxide as well as CS but 
didn't seem to take care of it.

Leslie



- Original Message 
From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, May 21, 2009 4:57:50 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS



..never hurts to know sumptin...and, of course, you are mindful about 
volume and duration of use at 200 PPM.

Ode



At 09:53 AM 5/20/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>Yes, I made my own silver citrate. I actually didn't expect the silver
>citrate to work if the CS/DMSO and the penicillin were not working and
>was pleasantly surprised when it did.
>  - Steve N
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:01 AM
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
>
>
>
>    Whatever works, works.
>Did you make your own silver citrate?
>
>Ode
>
>
>At 06:07 AM 5/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:
> >Could be. I do use hydrogen peroxide once daily but I did not try it
> >periodically or with DMSO. I will remember that for the next time.
> >- Steve N
> >
> >
> >----------
> >From: Dee Fitzpatrick 
> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> >Sent: Tue May 19 05:57:20 2009
> >Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> >
> >I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this Steve.
> >Dee
> >
> >---Original Message---
> >
> >From: <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com>Norton, Steve
> >Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
> >To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
> >Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> >
> >
> >I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an infection
>
> >to my tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and
>
> >I used EIS with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing
> >my mouth with 200 ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it
> >eliminated the infection in less than 2 days. I could tell an
> >improvement after the first use of the SC.
> >Just an FYI.
> >  - Steve N
> >
>
>
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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Leslie]

Is silver citrate when you overcook as the 200 PPM?? My grandson has some 
infected teeth and has had a time. I had recommended peroxide as well as CS but 
didn't seem to take care of it.

Leslie



- Original Message 
From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, May 21, 2009 4:57:50 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS



..never hurts to know sumptin...and, of course, you are mindful about 
volume and duration of use at 200 PPM.

Ode



At 09:53 AM 5/20/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>Yes, I made my own silver citrate. I actually didn't expect the silver
>citrate to work if the CS/DMSO and the penicillin were not working and
>was pleasantly surprised when it did.
>  - Steve N
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:01 AM
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
>
>
>
>    Whatever works, works.
>Did you make your own silver citrate?
>
>Ode
>
>
>At 06:07 AM 5/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:
> >Could be. I do use hydrogen peroxide once daily but I did not try it
> >periodically or with DMSO. I will remember that for the next time.
> >- Steve N
> >
> >
> >------
> >From: Dee Fitzpatrick 
> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> >Sent: Tue May 19 05:57:20 2009
> >Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> >
> >I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this Steve.
> >Dee
> >
> >---Original Message-------
> >
> >From: <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com>Norton, Steve
> >Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
> >To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
> >Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> >
> >
> >I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an infection
>
> >to my tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and
>
> >I used EIS with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing
> >my mouth with 200 ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it
> >eliminated the infection in less than 2 days. I could tell an
> >improvement after the first use of the SC.
> >Just an FYI.
> >  - Steve N
> >
>
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CS>Use of n-acetyl L-carnosine/DMSO and Use of Astaxanthin ALSO, requesting studies of CS for MRSA

[Jim Holmes]

Any details of preparation or administration for the above will be
appreciated.

I am trying to convince skeptical medical professionals of benifits of CS
with MSRA.  Any thing anecdotal is appreicated, but I can use formal studies
to better effect.

Thank you.

 Jim

Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Marshall Dudley]

It is quite possible.  For there to be any interaction, then light MUST 
be absorbed. If it is crystal clear, then there is little or no 
absorption.  Typically for photographic work, they talk about crystal 
size, the larger the crystal the longer the wavelength of light it is 
sensitive to.  So you might very well have a point there.


Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:



  Seems I've made silver acetate and set it in the sun and it didn't 
do anything,  just stayed crystal clear and colorless.
 But film isn't especially wet, so now I'm wondering if light AND dry 
is what it takes.


 Silver chloride and carbonate will change in the wet state...but 
that's not an ionic solution.  Sorta like dry ...in water.


Ode



At 10:36 AM 5/22/2009 -0400, you wrote:
It is truly photo sensitive.  The aristotype used from 1885-1930 used 
silver citrate for the light sensitive element.


Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:



  Note the difference between a stain from "permanent ink" and a 
tattoo.
Is Silver Citrate really photo reactive or does it oxidize when 
dried and stain things just like Ionic silver does ?


 I have looked for this info and haven't found any one way or the 
other.


Ode

At 04:30 PM 5/21/2009 -0400, you wrote:
Please note that silver citrate is highly light sensitive, so much 
so that some photo emulsions use it instead of silver chloride.  If 
you spill some on you skin, and expose it to light it could cause a 
permanent blue tattoo just as silver nitrate will do.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:


I made the original post and I made my own silver citrate. The posts
just proceeding yours talk of using CS in the eyes and DO NOT use 
high
ppm SC. Do not use high ppm SC in the eyes! My post was relating 
to an infection that regular CS and penicillin had
failed to help and I tried high ppm SC as a last resort before 
returning
to the dentist for a different antibiotic. I thought it would be 
good to
pass on that in some instances it might be worthwhile to try some 
high
ppm SC if regular treatment fails. Although I was using it in the 
mouth,
I was using it topically and with caution. I am not recommending 
routine
use of high ppm SC. It does have advantages of portability on 
trips (an
ounce or two in a dropper bottle lasts quite a while) and it ships 
well
but when I use it I measure the drops and take them in a drink, 
usually.
There are at least two sources for 100 ppm silver citrate online 
but it

is fairly expensive. One is at http://www.silver100.com/. There are
other suppliers selling silvers of up to 10,000 ppm. I do not 
recommend

use of any of those. They either consist of large particle silver or
silver bound to substances that make them generally unsuitable for
ingestion.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Evans, Antonio F. [mailto:antonio.ev...@va.gov] Sent: 
Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:42 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS

Where can I get the high CS ppm? I live in Washington DC

A. Evans/ Paralegal Specialist
Video Hearing Section, Room #113
(OMPA)
 Desk: 202.461.8863
Fax: 202.565.4679
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is 
limited
to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the 
entire

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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

  Seems I've made silver acetate and set it in the sun and it didn't do 
anything,  just stayed crystal clear and colorless.
 But film isn't especially wet, so now I'm wondering if light AND dry is 
what it takes.


 Silver chloride and carbonate will change in the wet state...but that's 
not an ionic solution.  Sorta like dry ...in water.


Ode



At 10:36 AM 5/22/2009 -0400, you wrote:
It is truly photo sensitive.  The aristotype used from 1885-1930 used 
silver citrate for the light sensitive element.


Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:



  Note the difference between a stain from "permanent ink" and a tattoo.
Is Silver Citrate really photo reactive or does it oxidize when dried and 
stain things just like Ionic silver does ?


 I have looked for this info and haven't found any one way or the other.

Ode

At 04:30 PM 5/21/2009 -0400, you wrote:
Please note that silver citrate is highly light sensitive, so much so 
that some photo emulsions use it instead of silver chloride.  If you 
spill some on you skin, and expose it to light it could cause a 
permanent blue tattoo just as silver nitrate will do.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:


I made the original post and I made my own silver citrate. The posts
just proceeding yours talk of using CS in the eyes and DO NOT use high
ppm SC. Do not use high ppm SC in the eyes! My post was relating to an 
infection that regular CS and penicillin had

failed to help and I tried high ppm SC as a last resort before returning
to the dentist for a different antibiotic. I thought it would be good to
pass on that in some instances it might be worthwhile to try some high
ppm SC if regular treatment fails. Although I was using it in the mouth,
I was using it topically and with caution. I am not recommending routine
use of high ppm SC. It does have advantages of portability on trips (an
ounce or two in a dropper bottle lasts quite a while) and it ships well
but when I use it I measure the drops and take them in a drink, usually.
There are at least two sources for 100 ppm silver citrate online but it
is fairly expensive. One is at http://www.silver100.com/. There are
other suppliers selling silvers of up to 10,000 ppm. I do not recommend
use of any of those. They either consist of large particle silver or
silver bound to substances that make them generally unsuitable for
ingestion.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Evans, Antonio F. [mailto:antonio.ev...@va.gov] Sent: Thursday, 
May 21, 2009 10:42 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS

Where can I get the high CS ppm? I live in Washington DC

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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Marshall Dudley]

It is truly photo sensitive.  The aristotype used from 1885-1930 used 
silver citrate for the light sensitive element.


Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:



  Note the difference between a stain from "permanent ink" and a tattoo.
Is Silver Citrate really photo reactive or does it oxidize when dried 
and stain things just like Ionic silver does ?


 I have looked for this info and haven't found any one way or the other.

Ode

At 04:30 PM 5/21/2009 -0400, you wrote:
Please note that silver citrate is highly light sensitive, so much so 
that some photo emulsions use it instead of silver chloride.  If you 
spill some on you skin, and expose it to light it could cause a 
permanent blue tattoo just as silver nitrate will do.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:


I made the original post and I made my own silver citrate. The posts
just proceeding yours talk of using CS in the eyes and DO NOT use high
ppm SC. Do not use high ppm SC in the eyes! My post was relating to 
an infection that regular CS and penicillin had
failed to help and I tried high ppm SC as a last resort before 
returning
to the dentist for a different antibiotic. I thought it would be 
good to

pass on that in some instances it might be worthwhile to try some high
ppm SC if regular treatment fails. Although I was using it in the 
mouth,
I was using it topically and with caution. I am not recommending 
routine

use of high ppm SC. It does have advantages of portability on trips (an
ounce or two in a dropper bottle lasts quite a while) and it ships well
but when I use it I measure the drops and take them in a drink, 
usually.

There are at least two sources for 100 ppm silver citrate online but it
is fairly expensive. One is at http://www.silver100.com/. There are
other suppliers selling silvers of up to 10,000 ppm. I do not recommend
use of any of those. They either consist of large particle silver or
silver bound to substances that make them generally unsuitable for
ingestion.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Evans, Antonio F. [mailto:antonio.ev...@va.gov] Sent: 
Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:42 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS

Where can I get the high CS ppm? I live in Washington DC

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(OMPA)
 Desk: 202.461.8863
Fax: 202.565.4679
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entire

world, and all there ever will be to know and understand."
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Re: FW: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

  With accurate current control with no ramp up and making a very highly 
soluble solution, Faraday calculations to predict PPM should be spot on.


Ode

At 03:58 PM 5/21/2009 -0500, you wrote:


Tony,
I don't think that  1mA/ sq inch is high. In fact, I think you can use
higher currents since the citric acid molecule captures the silver ions
as they enter the solution and you won't have much of a problem with
agglomeration. Mostly I was thinking about the calculation of ppm and
knowing the current. Also, if your current limiter is low power, realize
that the higher conductivity of the solution means that for a given
current, there will be more voltage dropped across the limiter and that
could be a problem for a limiter with a marginal power dissipation
capability.
Also, with a low current, getting to a high ppm, if that is your goal,
could take a long time.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Tony Moody [mailto:a...@new.co.za]
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:41 PM
To: Norton, Steve
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

Hi Steve,

Thanks a lot for the recipe. Yes I have citric acid here. its the
cooking grade but for me that should be OK. My silver setup is current
controlled and fixed at close to 1mA/ sq inch,  which may be a bit
hectic. I should be able to turn current down from there by fitting a
variable resistor.

Many thanks,
Tony Moody


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RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

At 01:41 PM 5/21/2009 -0400, you wrote:

Where can I get the high CS ppm? I live in Washington DC



##  The item is about "silver citrate", not "CS"

 You can make your own, just run a CS [EIS] generator in water with some 
citric acid in it.

or
 make silver acetate the same way using distilled white vinegar.

Both are highly water soluble ionic solutions.

I think "seasilver" brand is silver citrate

ode




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-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS


   I'm no doctor.
..but I spray my eyes a lot.
  I would "think" that if he can spray distilled water into his eyes,
that CS is about the same thing.

Ode

At 01:28 PM 5/20/2009 +, you wrote:
>Ode,
>I have a question.
>I have a 90 yr old friend who wishes to spray cs into an eye that has
>an implanted lense.  Is this ok?
>Mary
>-- Original message from Ode Coyote
>: --
>
>
> >
> >
> > Whatever works, works.
> > Did you make your own silver citrate?
> >
> > Ode
> >
> >
> > At 06:07 AM 5/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Could be. I do use hydrogen peroxide once daily but I did not try
> > >it periodically or with DMSO. I will remember that for the next
time.
> > >- Steve N
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >From: Dee Fitzpatrick
> > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > >Sent: Tue May 19 05:57:20 2009
> > >Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> > >
> > >I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this
> > >Steve. Dee
> > >
> > >---Original Message---
> > >
> > >From: Norton, Steve
> > >Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
> > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > >Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> > >
> > >
> > >I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an
> infection to
> > >my tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin
> > >and I used EIS with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started
> > >rinsing my mouth with 200 ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and

> > >it eliminated
> the
> > >infection in less than 2 days. I could tell an improvement after
> > >the
> first
> > >use of the SC.
> > >Just an FYI.
> > > - Steve N
> > >
> >
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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

  Note the difference between a stain from "permanent ink" and a tattoo.
Is Silver Citrate really photo reactive or does it oxidize when dried and 
stain things just like Ionic silver does ?


 I have looked for this info and haven't found any one way or the other.

Ode

At 04:30 PM 5/21/2009 -0400, you wrote:
Please note that silver citrate is highly light sensitive, so much so that 
some photo emulsions use it instead of silver chloride.  If you spill some 
on you skin, and expose it to light it could cause a permanent blue tattoo 
just as silver nitrate will do.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:


I made the original post and I made my own silver citrate. The posts
just proceeding yours talk of using CS in the eyes and DO NOT use high
ppm SC. Do not use high ppm SC in the eyes! My post was relating to an 
infection that regular CS and penicillin had

failed to help and I tried high ppm SC as a last resort before returning
to the dentist for a different antibiotic. I thought it would be good to
pass on that in some instances it might be worthwhile to try some high
ppm SC if regular treatment fails. Although I was using it in the mouth,
I was using it topically and with caution. I am not recommending routine
use of high ppm SC. It does have advantages of portability on trips (an
ounce or two in a dropper bottle lasts quite a while) and it ships well
but when I use it I measure the drops and take them in a drink, usually.
There are at least two sources for 100 ppm silver citrate online but it
is fairly expensive. One is at http://www.silver100.com/. There are
other suppliers selling silvers of up to 10,000 ppm. I do not recommend
use of any of those. They either consist of large particle silver or
silver bound to substances that make them generally unsuitable for
ingestion.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Evans, Antonio F. [mailto:antonio.ev...@va.gov] Sent: Thursday, May 
21, 2009 10:42 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS

Where can I get the high CS ppm? I live in Washington DC

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(OMPA)
 Desk: 202.461.8863
Fax: 202.565.4679
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Re: FW: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Tony Moody]

Hi Steve,

Thanks. 

I was more interested in trying something different. But the cautions flying 
about the dangers of Silver Citrate have warned me off. Seems like an Argyria 
recipe, Blue skin for sure, for sure.

my usual set up is 9v battery with a 1mA current limiter so max power 
possible would be 9mW.. Can't find a power rating but typical for the current 
control chips is 30v max and about 8mA max ; 240mW if that is how it works; 
so the main components are well overrated. 

Yikes. The Faraday .xls calcsheet  I have is dated 2001. :-)  Gives me 16 ppm 
at 1ma into 250ml for an hour. 

More later
I gotta go now.

OK,
Tony

On 21 May 2009 at 15:58, Norton, Steve wrote about : Subject : FW: CS>Use of 
high ppm CS  

> 
> Tony,
> I don't think that  1mA/ sq inch is high. In fact, I think you can use
> higher currents since the citric acid molecule captures the silver ions
> as they enter the solution and you won't have much of a problem with
> agglomeration. Mostly I was thinking about the calculation of ppm and
> knowing the current. Also, if your current limiter is low power, realize
> that the higher conductivity of the solution means that for a given
> current, there will be more voltage dropped across the limiter and that
> could be a problem for a limiter with a marginal power dissipation
> capability.
> Also, with a low current, getting to a high ppm, if that is your goal,
> could take a long time.
>  - Steve N
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Moody [mailto:a...@new.co.za]
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:41 PM
> To: Norton, Steve
> Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> 
> Hi Steve, 
> 
> Thanks a lot for the recipe. Yes I have citric acid here. its the
> cooking grade but for me that should be OK. My silver setup is current
> controlled and fixed at close to 1mA/ sq inch,  which may be a bit
> hectic. I should be able to turn current down from there by fitting a
> variable resistor. 
> 
> Many thanks,
> Tony Moody
> 
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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Did you post information about making silver citrate?If not, could 
you do so?


On Friday, May 22, 2009, at 03:18 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote:

I made the original post and I made my own silver citrate. 



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FW: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Norton, Steve]

 
Tony,
I don't think that  1mA/ sq inch is high. In fact, I think you can use
higher currents since the citric acid molecule captures the silver ions
as they enter the solution and you won't have much of a problem with
agglomeration. Mostly I was thinking about the calculation of ppm and
knowing the current. Also, if your current limiter is low power, realize
that the higher conductivity of the solution means that for a given
current, there will be more voltage dropped across the limiter and that
could be a problem for a limiter with a marginal power dissipation
capability.
Also, with a low current, getting to a high ppm, if that is your goal,
could take a long time.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Tony Moody [mailto:a...@new.co.za]
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:41 PM
To: Norton, Steve
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

Hi Steve, 

Thanks a lot for the recipe. Yes I have citric acid here. its the
cooking grade but for me that should be OK. My silver setup is current
controlled and fixed at close to 1mA/ sq inch,  which may be a bit
hectic. I should be able to turn current down from there by fitting a
variable resistor. 

Many thanks,
Tony Moody


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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Marshall Dudley]

Please note that silver citrate is highly light sensitive, so much so 
that some photo emulsions use it instead of silver chloride.  If you 
spill some on you skin, and expose it to light it could cause a 
permanent blue tattoo just as silver nitrate will do.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:
 
I made the original post and I made my own silver citrate. The posts

just proceeding yours talk of using CS in the eyes and DO NOT use high
ppm SC. Do not use high ppm SC in the eyes! 
My post was relating to an infection that regular CS and penicillin had

failed to help and I tried high ppm SC as a last resort before returning
to the dentist for a different antibiotic. I thought it would be good to
pass on that in some instances it might be worthwhile to try some high
ppm SC if regular treatment fails. Although I was using it in the mouth,
I was using it topically and with caution. I am not recommending routine
use of high ppm SC. It does have advantages of portability on trips (an
ounce or two in a dropper bottle lasts quite a while) and it ships well
but when I use it I measure the drops and take them in a drink, usually.
There are at least two sources for 100 ppm silver citrate online but it
is fairly expensive. One is at http://www.silver100.com/. There are
other suppliers selling silvers of up to 10,000 ppm. I do not recommend
use of any of those. They either consist of large particle silver or
silver bound to substances that make them generally unsuitable for
ingestion.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Evans, Antonio F. [mailto:antonio.ev...@va.gov] 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:42 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS

Where can I get the high CS ppm? I live in Washington DC 



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(OMPA)
 Desk: 202.461.8863
Fax: 202.565.4679
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to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire
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RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Norton, Steve]

 
I made the original post and I made my own silver citrate. The posts
just proceeding yours talk of using CS in the eyes and DO NOT use high
ppm SC. Do not use high ppm SC in the eyes! 
My post was relating to an infection that regular CS and penicillin had
failed to help and I tried high ppm SC as a last resort before returning
to the dentist for a different antibiotic. I thought it would be good to
pass on that in some instances it might be worthwhile to try some high
ppm SC if regular treatment fails. Although I was using it in the mouth,
I was using it topically and with caution. I am not recommending routine
use of high ppm SC. It does have advantages of portability on trips (an
ounce or two in a dropper bottle lasts quite a while) and it ships well
but when I use it I measure the drops and take them in a drink, usually.
There are at least two sources for 100 ppm silver citrate online but it
is fairly expensive. One is at http://www.silver100.com/. There are
other suppliers selling silvers of up to 10,000 ppm. I do not recommend
use of any of those. They either consist of large particle silver or
silver bound to substances that make them generally unsuitable for
ingestion.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Evans, Antonio F. [mailto:antonio.ev...@va.gov] 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:42 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS

Where can I get the high CS ppm? I live in Washington DC 


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RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Evans, Antonio F.]

Where can I get the high CS ppm? I live in Washington DC 


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-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS


   I'm no doctor.
..but I spray my eyes a lot.
  I would "think" that if he can spray distilled water into his eyes,
that CS is about the same thing.

Ode

At 01:28 PM 5/20/2009 +, you wrote:
>Ode,
>I have a question.
>I have a 90 yr old friend who wishes to spray cs into an eye that has 
>an implanted lense.  Is this ok?
>Mary
>-- Original message from Ode Coyote
>: --
>
>
> >
> >
> > Whatever works, works.
> > Did you make your own silver citrate?
> >
> > Ode
> >
> >
> > At 06:07 AM 5/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Could be. I do use hydrogen peroxide once daily but I did not try 
> > >it periodically or with DMSO. I will remember that for the next
time.
> > >- Steve N
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >From: Dee Fitzpatrick
> > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > >Sent: Tue May 19 05:57:20 2009
> > >Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> > >
> > >I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this 
> > >Steve. Dee
> > >
> > >---Original Message---
> > >
> > >From: Norton, Steve
> > >Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
> > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > >Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> > >
> > >
> > >I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an
> infection to
> > >my tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin 
> > >and I used EIS with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started 
> > >rinsing my mouth with 200 ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and

> > >it eliminated
> the
> > >infection in less than 2 days. I could tell an improvement after 
> > >the
> first
> > >use of the SC.
> > >Just an FYI.
> > > - Steve N
> > >
> >
> >
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RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Norton, Steve]

 Ode,
Thanks for the reminder of silver volume and duration usage. I do keep
that in mind. This is the only time I used 200 PPM silver citrate. As
you already know, it only takes 9 to 10 DROPS of 200 PPM SC to reach the
safe daily use level of silver. For that reason, I do dilute the SC
before use to minimize the risk of taking to much silver. 
Really do appreciate the reminder.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:58 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS



..never hurts to know sumptin...and, of course, you are mindful about
volume and duration of use at 200 PPM.

Ode




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RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

..never hurts to know sumptin...and, of course, you are mindful about 
volume and duration of use at 200 PPM.


Ode



At 09:53 AM 5/20/2009 -0500, you wrote:

Yes, I made my own silver citrate. I actually didn't expect the silver
citrate to work if the CS/DMSO and the penicillin were not working and
was pleasantly surprised when it did.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:01 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS



   Whatever works, works.
Did you make your own silver citrate?

Ode


At 06:07 AM 5/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>Could be. I do use hydrogen peroxide once daily but I did not try it
>periodically or with DMSO. I will remember that for the next time.
>- Steve N
>
>
>--
>From: Dee Fitzpatrick 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Tue May 19 05:57:20 2009
>Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
>
>I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this Steve.
>Dee
>
>---Original Message---
>
>From: <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com>Norton, Steve
>Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
>To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS
>
>
>I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an infection

>to my tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and

>I used EIS with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing
>my mouth with 200 ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it
>eliminated the infection in less than 2 days. I could tell an
>improvement after the first use of the SC.
>Just an FYI.
>  - Steve N
>


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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

  I'm no doctor.
..but I spray my eyes a lot.
 I would "think" that if he can spray distilled water into his eyes, that 
CS is about the same thing.


Ode

At 01:28 PM 5/20/2009 +, you wrote:

Ode,
I have a question.
I have a 90 yr old friend who wishes to spray cs into an eye that has an 
implanted lense.  Is this ok?

Mary
-- Original message from Ode Coyote 
: --



>
>
> Whatever works, works.
> Did you make your own silver citrate?
>
> Ode
>
>
> At 06:07 AM 5/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:
> >Could be. I do use hydrogen peroxide once daily but I did not try it
> >periodically or with DMSO. I will remember that for the next time.
> >- Steve N
> >
> >
> >--
> >From: Dee Fitzpatrick
> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >Sent: Tue May 19 05:57:20 2009
> >Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> >
> >I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this Steve. Dee
> >
> >-------Original Message---
> >
> >From: Norton, Steve
> >Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS
> >
> >
> >I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an 
infection to

> >my tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and I
> >used EIS with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing my
> >mouth with 200 ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it eliminated 
the
> >infection in less than 2 days. I could tell an improvement after the 
first

> >use of the SC.
> >Just an FYI.
> > - Steve N
> >
>
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RE: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Norton, Steve]

Yes, I made my own silver citrate. I actually didn't expect the silver
citrate to work if the CS/DMSO and the penicillin were not working and
was pleasantly surprised when it did.  
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:01 AM
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   Whatever works, works.
Did you make your own silver citrate?

Ode


At 06:07 AM 5/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>Could be. I do use hydrogen peroxide once daily but I did not try it 
>periodically or with DMSO. I will remember that for the next time.
>- Steve N
>
>
>--
>From: Dee Fitzpatrick 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Tue May 19 05:57:20 2009
>Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS
>
>I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this Steve.  
>Dee
>
>---Original Message---
>
>From: <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com>Norton, Steve
>Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
>To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS
>
>
>I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an infection

>to my tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and

>I used EIS with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing 
>my mouth with 200 ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it 
>eliminated the infection in less than 2 days. I could tell an 
>improvement after the first use of the SC.
>Just an FYI.
>  - Steve N
>


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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[mborgert]

Ode,
I have a question.
I have a 90 yr old friend who wishes to spray cs into an eye that has an implanted lense.  Is this ok?
Mary
-- Original message from Ode Coyote : -- > > > Whatever works, works. > Did you make your own silver citrate? > > Ode > > > At 06:07 AM 5/19/2009 -0500, you wrote: > >Could be. I do use hydrogen peroxide once daily but I did not try it > >periodically or with DMSO. I will remember that for the next time. > >- Steve N > > > > > >-- > >From: Dee Fitzpatrick > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Sent: Tue May 19 05:57:20 2009 > >Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS > > > >I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this Steve. Dee > > > >---Original Message--- > > > >From: Norton, Steve > >Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39 > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS > > > > > >I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an infection to > >my tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and I > >used EIS with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing my > >mouth with 200 ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it eliminated the > >infection in less than 2 days. I could tell an improvement after the first > >use of the SC. > >Just an FYI. > > - Steve N > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > 

Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

  Whatever works, works.
Did you make your own silver citrate?

Ode


At 06:07 AM 5/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:
Could be. I do use hydrogen peroxide once daily but I did not try it 
periodically or with DMSO. I will remember that for the next time.

- Steve N


--
From: Dee Fitzpatrick 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tue May 19 05:57:20 2009
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this Steve.  Dee

---Original Message---

From: <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com>Norton, Steve
Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS


I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an infection to 
my tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and I 
used EIS with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing my 
mouth with 200 ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it eliminated the 
infection in less than 2 days. I could tell an improvement after the first 
use of the SC.

Just an FYI.
 - Steve N




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RE: CS> Use of high ppm ppm CS

[ZZekelink]

 
I used hydrogen peroxide & CS/EIS  everyday 2  - 4 times / day to clear an 
abscess. It is still clear / no problem...{{ the  dentist gave me 2 
options.. 1-root canal  2. extraction...I took Peroxide,  DMSO & silver }}The 
hyd. 
Per. didn't hurt the tissue in my mouth. Can't say  it wouldn't hurt someone 
but it didn't hurt me.. { Did also add a little DMSO to  the CS/EIS. after I 
learned about it on 1 of the lists..  Lois

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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[MaryAnn Helland]

I thought it was agreed that Hydrogen Peroxide would damage tissue?  MA



From: Dee Fitzpatrick  
 


I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this Steve.  Dee 
 
---Original Message---

From: Norton, Steve
Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS

I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an infection to my 
tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and I used EIS 
with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing my mouth with 200 
ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it eliminated the infection in less 
than 2 days. I could tell an improvement after the first use of the SC. 
Just an FYI.
 - Steve N 

Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Norton, Steve]

Could be. I do use hydrogen peroxide once daily but I did not try it 
periodically or with DMSO. I will remember that for the next time. 
- Steve N



From: Dee Fitzpatrick  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com  
Sent: Tue May 19 05:57:20 2009
Subject: Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS 


I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this Steve.  Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Norton, Steve <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com> 
Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS
 

I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an infection to my 
tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and I used EIS 
with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing my mouth with 200 
ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it eliminated the infection in less 
than 2 days. I could tell an improvement after the first use of the SC. 
Just an FYI.
 - Steve N 

 

<>

Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Dee Fitzpatrick]

I think hydrogen perroxide with DMSO would have worked on this Steve.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Norton, Steve
Date: 19/05/2009 03:39:39
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Use of high ppm CS
 
I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an infection to
my tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and I used
EIS with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing my mouth
with 200 ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it eliminated the
infection in less than 2 days. I could tell an improvement after the first
use of the SC. 
Just an FYI.
 - Steve N 
 <>

CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Norton, Steve]

I recently had some dental work done that caused or spread an infection to my 
tongue and under the tongue. The dentist put me on penicillin and I used EIS 
with DMSO to no effect by either. Finally I started rinsing my mouth with 200 
ppm silver citrate every 3 to 4 hours and it eliminated the infection in less 
than 2 days. I could tell an improvement after the first use of the SC.  
Just an FYI. 
 - Steve N

CS>Use OF Silver

[Donna Gros]

With the use of Silver being of the increase in the hospitals for use in so 
many areas and it also has been used with burn patients over the years in the 
burn centers. I feel that the use of silver will never be banned.  The medical 
field has found that it has been very useful.   My question to others  after 
knowing this info is why would the hospitals with their use and also the help 
healing critical burn patients let silver be banned from use?   Working in the 
emergency medical field for a good may years and also knowledge with my 
son-in-law in medical supplies with a very large hospital I do have this 
knowledge that the increase is on the rise with the use of CS and  my feelings 
that the hospitals will fully support the use of silver even in the medical 
facilities.

I just had to add this to let others know that  for me I feel that a ban on 
silver really is out of the question.   Door to door   I just really had a good 
laugh from that and know this will never ever happen.  

I really  question about our government trying to reduce the population.   Just 
think about this for a minute.  We the working people  are supporting the rich 
which includes anyone working in the government.  If population is reduced  
more than normal deaths due to Dr. messing up and meds giving and causing more 
problems than the reason they had been taking the Rx  for in the first place 
why would they want less working people???  Just think about this  for a while 
and I'm sure you will understand what I'm talking about.  

The only thing that is involved is  the  be MMoney!!  Supply and demand and 
anyone treating theirselves naturally always reduces the demand on the meds 
being sold.  

Sorry everyone  I'm a very simple thinking person and this I know is the bottom 
line of this world we now live in, but to reduce the population means less 
money coming in for the rich! Bottom-line and this they don't want to do now or 
in the future.  The more people working  the more money  the government gets 
and with the sick go with the convention way of healing through RX and the Drs. 
they keep getting richer also.   

Just mo opinion but so simple to understand. hagd and a great week 
everyone!!Donna, Pa. 

CS>CS use in 1st trimester pregnancy??

[tiane]

Hello all you brilliant minds!

Long time no post.  

I have a question.  Does anyone have any specific information about using 
Colloidal Silver during your first trimester of pregnancy?  I am 8 weeks 3 days 
today and have a very significant sinus "issue".  My nose doesn't seem stuffy, 
but there is tremendous pressure in my right ear, behind my eye, and in my jaw. 
 I have been using a heating pad on my head, a massager, and steam from a hot 
pot of water, but I'm still in terrible pain.  I have been in bed for 2 days. 
The only thing the docs want me to take is Tylenol and I took a dose but it 
didn't touch the pain.

I would usually use CS in this circumstance on myself or my children, however, 
this is such a critical part of development for my fetus (yes, it's a fetus and 
not an embryo.as of this week!  YEAH!) and I don't want to take anything 
that might affect or disrupt the organ, bone and brain development that is 
fervently occurring every moment for the next couple of weeks.

Does anyone have any clarification on this use?  If not..do you have any 
other "natural remedies" that might get this draining.  They say this stage of 
pregnancy often brings these sinus issues because the tissues swell and change 
in your nasal passages.the pain is debilitating, for sure.

Thanks so much for any input you can give!

Christiane

Re: CS>Use of silver for pregnant woman

[Marshall Dudley]

None that I know of. My daugher used it durning both of her last two
pregnancies.

Marshall

SIDNEY E CHALONER wrote:

> Please tell me if there are problems with a pregnant woman using
> colloidal silver.Thanks, Sid



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CS>Use of silver for pregnant woman

[SIDNEY E CHALONER]

Please tell me if there are problems with a pregnant woman using colloidal 
silver.
Thanks, Sid

CS>Re: CS use in Hong Kong/UK

[jrowland]

September 29, 2006
"Nano Silver-Titanium Dioxide Coating (NSTDC)...main component, Titanium 
Dioxide (TiO2)...The coating lasts for about three years after 
application...Dr. Lo pointed out the importance of ensuring workers are 
properly protected when spraying the coating... The component is nevertheless

harmless once dried, and poses no safety risk to members of the public..."
http://www.mtr.com.hk/eng/corporate/file_rep/PR-06-084-E.pdf
[NOTE: This is a .pdf file, with application pics---masked guys in white 
jumpsuits...]

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CS>RE CS use in Hong Kong/UK

[Harold MacDonald]

Looks like some people are smartening up!!!

NewsTarget) Subway and train stations in London and other parts of the UK 
are considering using a powerful, non-toxic colloidal silver disinfectant 
spray to help fend off the spread of the flu virus this winter after Hong 
Kong subways recently announced its use of the spray.
The MTR company revealed this morning its plan to use nano silver-titanium 
dioxide coating (NSTDC) spray on most surfaces on the Hong Kong metro rail 
system. Roughly 2.5 million commuters ride the Hong Kong rail system every 
day, and can easily spread colds and the flu through common surfaces.


The NSTDC disinfectant spray has been certified as effective at killing wide 
ranges of bacteria, mold and viruses, including the H1N1 virus. MTR 
announced it would be sprayed on all escalator handrails, Add Value 
machines, the buttons on ticket issuing machines and all handrails and 
buttons in elevators in the company's Hong Kong stations. The colloidal 
silver spray would also be applied to all grab poles and straps within the 
trains.


"Germs and diseases are most commonly transmitted through the hands," said 
MTS safety and quality manager George Lee. "They pick up bacteria from 
public surfaces, which may then be passed into our bodies if we rub our 
eyes, nose or mouth before washing our hands."


A spokesman for Transport for London (TfL) said London Underground is in the 
process of developing anti-flu measures with the UK government and other 
agencies, including the possibility of using NSTDC spray in tube stations.


"We are in regular contact with other metro networks from cities around the 
world, including MTS in Hong Kong, and we share the best practices and 
technological innovations. We would, of course, be interested in any 
measures which could be shown to be effective," the TfL spokesman said.


Consumer health advocate Mike Adams, author of "How to Beat the Bird Flu," 
said colloidal silver has well-documented antibacterial properties.


"It works so well against bacterial strains -- even antibiotic-resistant 
strains -- that it has been under constant attack in the United States by 
the FDA, which sees it as a threat to the profits of drug companies that 
manufacture prescription antibiotics," Adams said.


Adams recommends Silver 100 products, available online at Silver100.com.

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Re: CS>CS use in a CPAP machine

[David Bearrow]

At 12:52 PM 1/17/05, you wrote:
My husband uses a nighttime breathing assist called a CPAP machine 
(Constant Positive Air Pressure) which also has the option of using a 
thermally-controlled humidifier to add moisture to the air as its 
pressurized to his mask. We were wondering if anyone has tried CS in a 
CPAP machine before&we kind of think the possibility of fungus in the warm 
moist environment is real & we were wondering if anyone has tried it or 
has experienced mold/fungus in the hosing. I think using CS instead of 
plain water through the hose should still let CS do its thing, even if its 
slightly warmed&right?


I also use a CPAP with a heated humidifier. I found that after 2 weeks the 
tubes would start to get a mildew smell and I would have to soak everything 
in vinegar to get rid of it. I then began to put CS into the humidifier 
about 2 years ago and I never have to clean the tubes anymore as they no 
longer get mildew in them. In fact after a couple months of running CS 
through the system I can only guess that all the tubes became coated with 
silver particles as I no longer have to put CS in the humidifier any more.



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CS>CS use in a CPAP machine

[Heather King (LCA)]

Hello All,

 

My husband uses a nighttime breathing assist called a CPAP machine
(Constant Positive Air Pressure) which also has the option of using a
thermally-controlled humidifier to add moisture to the air as it's
pressurized to his mask. We were wondering if anyone has tried CS in a
CPAP machine before...we kind of think the possibility of fungus in the
warm moist environment is real & we were wondering if anyone has tried
it or has experienced mold/fungus in the hosing. I think using CS
instead of plain water through the hose should still let CS do its
thing, even if it's slightly warmed...right?

 

Thanks for any thoughts.

 

Heather

 

 

Re: CS>CS use on pets sucess

[Tel Tofflemire]

 She is spraying it with a fogger into the pony's eyes several times a day 7
days a week.  I am very happy to see that her two champion Corgie (sp) ?
dogs were helped with removing some kind of growths too.
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Sally Khanna
Date: 12/29/04 00:17:43
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS use on pets sucess
 
Hi Tel,
 
How did she use the CS to treat the cataracts?
 
Sally

Tel Tofflemire  wrote:
This is a report from a pet owner I gave some of my home made CS to to try
on her pony with cateracts (Blind) as a bat she told me.  in her note to me
she took it on her on to try CS on some growths on her dogs.  This is a good
report. I had very good sucess with a horse of heres that was run through a
fence by a MT. Lion. The horse was hurt bad with a hunk of meat torn out of
her chest the size of a pound of butter, it completle healed by soaking
clean rags with CS and Duct Tape applecation.
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ
~
Hi Tel. Still not early enough to tell if the silver is going to work on the
ponies cataracts, I sure hope it does, however, two of my dogs have had some
kind of growth on them, one above the eye, about the size of a medium size
tick. Sprayed the silver on it and it is gone.  And on the older dog my
husband noticed a growth on the lip a little over a week ago. It was the
size of a pea, so I started spraying it a couple times a day, and I noticed
today that it is just about all gone. Hurrah for the silver. Now I pray that
the pony gets it's sight back. The vet said he has two or three cataracts in
one eye and one in the other and the one with the one has something attached
to it. He is getting to where he takes off now when he knows I am coming
into the stall to spray him. I wish I could say it was because he could see
that I had the halter in my hand but I don't think so. I think he has very
good hearing. Corinne





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Re: CS>CS use on pets sucess

[Sally Khanna]

Hi Tel,
 
How did she use the CS to treat the cataracts?
 
Sally

Tel Tofflemire  wrote:
FLAVOR00-NONE---4.0;This is a report from a pet owner I 
gave some of my home made CS to to try on her pony with cateracts (Blind) as a 
bat she told me.  in her note to me she took it on her on to try CS on some 
growths on her dogs.  This is a good report. I had very good sucess with a 
horse of heres that was run through a fence by a MT. Lion. The horse was hurt 
bad with a hunk of meat torn out of her chest the size of a pound of butter, it 
completle healed by soaking clean rags with CS and Duct Tape applecation.
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ
~
Hi Tel. Still not early enough to tell if the silver is going to work on the 
ponies cataracts, I sure hope it does, however, two of my dogs have had some 
kind of growth on them, one above the eye, about the size of a medium size 
tick. Sprayed the silver on it and it is gone.  And on the older dog my husband 
noticed a growth on the lip a little over a week ago. It was the size of a pea, 
so I started spraying it a couple times a day, and I noticed today that it is 
just about all gone. Hurrah for the silver. Now I pray that the pony gets it's 
sight back. The vet said he has two or three cataracts in one eye and one in 
the other and the one with the one has something attached to it. He is getting 
to where he takes off now when he knows I am coming into the stall to spray 
him. I wish I could say it was because he could see that I had the halter in my 
hand but I don't think so. I think he has very good hearing. Corinne


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Re: CS>CS use on pets sucess

[Marshall Dudley]

Another thing that works for some is putting a couple of drops of flax
seed oil in the eye several times a day.  It dissolves out the
hydrogenated fats in the lens that may cloud it.

Marshall

David W Kenney wrote:

> CS effects on cataracts presumes the cause of cataracts as some
> organism that CS will kill.   Although this is possible I suppose I
> have never seen any reference to it in the literature.
>
> Other good treatments for Cataracts are Cayenne pepper solution as eye
> drops and/or N-Acetyl-Carnosine as eye drops.
>
> The function of the latter are to increase the circulation to the
> eye….
>
> ---
> From: Tel Tofflemire [mailto:telt...@cableone.net]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 20046:05 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>CS use on pets sucess
>
>
> This is areport from a pet owner I gave some of my home made CS to to
  try on her pony with cateracts (Blind) as a bat she told me.  in her
  note to me she took it on her on to try CS on some growths on her dogs.
  This is a good report. I had very good sucess with a horse of heres that
  was run through a fence by a MT.Lion. The horse was hurt bad with a hunk
  of meat torn out of her chest the size of a pound of butter, it
  completle healed by soaking clean rags with CS and Duct Tape
  applecation.
  Tel Tofflemire
  Dewey, AZ
  ~
  Hi Tel. Still not early enough to tell if the silver is going to work on
  the ponies cataracts, I sure hope it does, however, two of my dogs have
  had some kind of growth on them, one above the eye, about the size of a
  medium size tick. Sprayed the silver on it and it is gone.  And on the
  older dog my husband noticed a growth on the lip a little over a week
  ago. It was the size of a pea, so I started spraying it a couple times a
  day, and I noticed today that it is just about all gone. Hurrah for the
  silver. Now I pray that the pony gets it's sight back. The vet said he
  has two or three cataracts in one eye and one in the other and the one
  with the one has something attached to it. He is getting to where he
  takes off now when he knows I am coming into the stall to spray him. I
  wish I could say it was because he could see that I had the halter in my
  hand but I don't think so. I think he has very good hearing. Corinne
>

RE: CS>CS use on pets sucess

[David W Kenney]

CS effects on cataracts presumes the cause of cataracts as some organism
that CS will kill.   Although this is possible I suppose I have never seen
any reference to it in the literature.

Other good treatments for Cataracts are Cayenne pepper solution as eye drops
and/or N-Acetyl-Carnosine as eye drops.

The function of the latter are to increase the circulation to the eye..

 

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From: Tel Tofflemire [mailto:telt...@cableone.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:05 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS use on pets sucess

 


This is a report from a pet owner I gave some of my home made CS to to try
on her pony with cateracts (Blind) as a bat she told me.  in her note to me
she took it on her on to try CS on some growths on her dogs.  This is a good
report. I had very good sucess with a horse of heres that was run through a
fence by a MT. Lion. The horse was hurt bad with a hunk of meat torn out of
her chest the size of a pound of butter, it completle healed by soaking
clean rags with CS and Duct Tape applecation.

Tel Tofflemire

Dewey, AZ

~

Hi Tel. Still not early enough to tell if the silver is going to work on the
ponies cataracts, I sure hope it does, however, two of my dogs have had some
kind of growth on them, one above the eye, about the size of a medium size
tick. Sprayed the silver on it and it is gone.  And on the older dog my
husband noticed a growth on the lip a little over a week ago. It was the
size of a pea, so I started spraying it a couple times a day, and I noticed
today that it is just about all gone. Hurrah for the silver. Now I pray that
the pony gets it's sight back. The vet said he has two or three cataracts in
one eye and one in the other and the one with the one has something attached
to it. He is getting to where he takes off now when he knows I am coming
into the stall to spray him. I wish I could say it was because he could see
that I had the halter in my hand but I don't think so. I think he has very
good hearing. Corinne



 

 

 

 

CS>CS use on pets sucess

[Tel Tofflemire]

This is a report from a pet owner I gave some of my home made CS to to try
on her pony with cateracts (Blind) as a bat she told me.  in her note to me
she took it on her on to try CS on some growths on her dogs.  This is a good
report. I had very good sucess with a horse of heres that was run through a
fence by a MT. Lion. The horse was hurt bad with a hunk of meat torn out of
her chest the size of a pound of butter, it completle healed by soaking
clean rags with CS and Duct Tape applecation.
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ
~
Hi Tel. Still not early enough to tell if the silver is going to work on the 
ponies cataracts, I sure hope it does, however, two of my dogs have had some 
kind of growth on them, one above the eye, about the size of a medium size 
tick. Sprayed the silver on it and it is gone.  And on the older dog my husband 
noticed a growth on the lip a little over a week ago. It was the size of a pea, 
so I started spraying it a couple times a day, and I noticed today that it is 
just about all gone. Hurrah for the silver. Now I pray that the pony gets it's 
sight back. The vet said he has two or three cataracts in one eye and one in 
the other and the one with the one has something attached to it. He is getting 
to where he takes off now when he knows I am coming into the stall to spray 
him. I wish I could say it was because he could see that I had the halter in my 
hand but I don't think so. I think he has very good hearing. Corinne

CS>Steve---recommendation for cs use

[Shirley Reed]

Hi Steve.  In my experience, one of the best,
very best, ways to use cs is to just hold a
mouthful in the mouth as long as possible--until
it all just absorbed or manages to trickle down
the throat.  Then replace it and do it again. 
When going into a computer session this is really
a good idea since very little concentration is
involved.  pj



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Re: CS>New CS Use?

[G Murray]

Hi,

My husband uses it all the time when his stomach is upset or he is 
throwing up, relief is almost always immediate.  I still remember 
TaiPans encounter years ago with the hamburger, it was quite a memorable 
story. : )


G Murray




William Missett wrote:

I meant instantly stopping vomiting and nausea in its tracks, not 
treating food poisoning, although I admit it may be hard to separate 
the two.
 


- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley <mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: CS>New CS Use?

Not a new use. Been discussed here probably at least a dozen times
over the last few years.  Almost everyone here uses it for food
poisoning, and I have never heard of it not helping, in most cases
causing complete recovery within minutes.

Marshall

William Missett wrote:


I may have discovered a new use for CS, at least one I've not
seen discussed here. (Caution: graphic language)  I ate a piece
of old chicken the other night, and at 3 in the morning came out
of bed running for the bathroom.  I knew I was going to
projectile vomit very quickly.  I hit the toilet, and got hit
with a wave of nausea that I thought was that magic moment.  But
it backed off a second, and when it did, I grabbed my bottle of
Microdyn off the sink, and squirted a healthy dose into my mouth,
and swallowed it.  My nausea instantly ceased, and I did not
throw up.  I know that it was a certainty had it not been for the
CS. Another CS miracle!  






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Re: CS>New CS Use?

[William Missett]

I meant instantly stopping vomiting and nausea in its tracks, not treating food 
poisoning, although I admit it may be hard to separate the two.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Marshall Dudley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:59 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>New CS Use?


  Not a new use. Been discussed here probably at least a dozen times over the 
last few years.  Almost everyone here uses it for food poisoning, and I have 
never heard of it not helping, in most cases causing complete recovery within 
minutes. 
  Marshall 

  William Missett wrote: 

I may have discovered a new use for CS, at least one I've not seen 
discussed here. (Caution: graphic language)  I ate a piece of old chicken the 
other night, and at 3 in the morning came out of bed running for the bathroom.  
I knew I was going to projectile vomit very quickly.  I hit the toilet, and got 
hit with a wave of nausea that I thought was that magic moment.  But it backed 
off a second, and when it did, I grabbed my bottle of Microdyn off the sink, 
and squirted a healthy dose into my mouth, and swallowed it.  My nausea 
instantly ceased, and I did not throw up.  I know that it was a certainty had 
it not been for the CS. Another CS miracle!  

Re: CS>New CS Use?

[Marshall Dudley]

Not a new use. Been discussed here probably at least a dozen times over
the last few years.  Almost everyone here uses it for food poisoning,
and I have never heard of it not helping, in most cases causing complete
recovery within minutes.

Marshall

William Missett wrote:

> I may have discovered a new use for CS, at least one I've not seen
> discussed here. (Caution: graphic language)  I ate a piece of old
> chicken the other night, and at 3 in the morning came out of bed
> running for the bathroom.  I knew I was going to projectile vomit very
> quickly.  I hit the toilet, and got hit with a wave of nausea that I
> thought was that magic moment.  But it backed off a second, and when
> it did, I grabbed my bottle of Microdyn off the sink, and squirted a
> healthy dose into my mouth, and swallowed it.  My nausea instantly
> ceased, and I did not throw up.  I know that it was a certainty had it
> not been for the CS. Another CS miracle!

CS>New CS Use?

[William Missett]

I may have discovered a new use for CS, at least one I've not seen discussed 
here. 

(Caution: graphic language)  I ate a piece of old chicken the other night, and 
at 3 in the morning came out of bed running for the bathroom.  I knew I was 
going to projectile vomit very quickly.  I hit the toilet, and got hit with a 
wave of nausea that I thought was that magic moment.  But it backed off a 
second, and when it did, I grabbed my bottle of Microdyn off the sink, and 
squirted a healthy dose into my mouth, and swallowed it.  My nausea instantly 
ceased, and I did not throw up.  I know that it was a certainty had it not been 
for the CS.

Another CS miracle!

CS>Compiling a bg file on CS use and Testimonials. Please help.

[walt]

HI folks: Anyone using CS send me your testimonials please. I'm compiling a
ledger of uses and cures. How you got around the system to get yourself
cured all valid info.Please share and send. Thanks Walt



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Re: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas (Nancy)

[MARIANO DELISE]

Hi Mike,
Sorry to be so long in answering, I was away for 5 days.
Personally, I feel you will do real well drinking 16 oz. of 10ppm CS with 1 
drop of hydrogen peroxide (H2o2) added to it.  Drink a little slowly all day 
long.  Add about 5-6 oz Gatorade or juice.
I did this for 1 1/2 years before I finally found some one to do the IV.  
It would be important to drink some CS for awhile before you start IV anyway.  
In June and July of last year I had 6 sessions at a clinic I found willing to 
do the IV.  
The clinic used Argentin 23 from Natural Immunogenics 23ppm CS.  Week one they 
infused 40 cc; week two, 50 cc; week three 60 cc; week four, five & six 70cc.   
 I waited about 9 months to begin the IV's again.  In the mean time I 
continued to drink the 16 oz. per day with the H202.  
I believe the IV inhanced the CS and gave the continuation of my recovery a 
great boost.
I also believe this protocol will work with nearly every auto immune 
disease.
Nancy
  - Original Message - 
  From: nebmi...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:00 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas (Nancy)


  Nancy...

  ...just curious if you would mind passing along more details with regard to 
you and the other person you mentioned...  specifically, I'm curious about the 
volume of CS that is being infused in a given session, and how frequently these 
I.V. sessions are occurring.

  Thanks for your help!

  Mike 

RE: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas

[James-Osborn: Holmes-Junior]

Use a nebulizer: a little slower than needles; a lot safer and you can get
the same blood levels, a bit more elegant than enemas.

-Original Message-
From: MARIANO DELISE [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 9:52 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas


I have been getting CS intravenously to give  y MS cure a little boost.  You
need to find a health care professional to administer it.  The clinic I go
to uses Argenten23 from natural Immunogenics.  it is about 26 PPM.  I do
know someone who could not find a clininc to do it, so she did use her own
LVDC, about 10 ppm.  Her friend, a nurse, administered it.  She certainly
had no ill effects.  She is improving.
Na cy

- Original Message - 
From: nebmi...@aol.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 2:50 AM
Subject: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas

Howdy gang!

I've spent some time searching through the archives, but I'm just not
finding what I'm looking for.  Any help would be appreciated!

I'm curious what the general consensus is on CS use intravenously?  Would CS
that is produced using LVDC, distilled water, and . silver be acceptable
for use in this manner?  If so, are there any recommendations on the
concentration (PPM), frequency, and volume to be infused?

What about using CS as an enema?  Good idea...  bad idea?  

TIA,

Mike 

Re: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas

[alltogethernow]

My post was in response to an earlier post which led me to believe that
the person was asking if it was okay to inject homemade CS. Maybe I read
it wrong.
 At any rate, I'm glad that the converstaion continued and I was able to
learn the proper method, etc; and I'll probably use it for myself.
Thanks everyone for sharing 


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Re: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas (Nancy)

[NebMikey]

Nancy...

...just curious if you would mind passing along more details with regard to 
you and the other person you mentioned...  specifically, I'm curious about 
the volume of CS that is being infused in a given session, and how frequently 
these I.V. sessions are occurring.

Thanks for your help!

Mike

Re: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas

[MARIANO DELISE]

Sorry, I've had IV's about 9 times (one just today), and never had a
headache.  It did give my recovery a boost.
Nancy
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From: 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas


> The IV water will give you a headache and will be immuno suppressive,
> and the CS enema will kill friendly bacteria.  Neither one is a good
> idea.
>
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Re: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas

[MARIANO DELISE]

I have been getting CS intravenously to give  y MS cure a little boost.  You 
need to find a health care professional to administer it.  The clinic I go to 
uses Argenten23 from natural Immunogenics.  it is about 26 PPM.  I do know 
someone who could not find a clininc to do it, so she did use her own LVDC, 
about 10 ppm.  Her friend, a nurse, administered it.  She certainly had no ill 
effects.  She is improving.
Na cy
  - Original Message - 
  From: nebmi...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 2:50 AM
  Subject: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas


  Howdy gang!

  I've spent some time searching through the archives, but I'm just not finding 
what I'm looking for.  Any help would be appreciated!

  I'm curious what the general consensus is on CS use intravenously?  Would CS 
that is produced using LVDC, distilled water, and . silver be acceptable 
for use in this manner?  If so, are there any recommendations on the 
concentration (PPM), frequency, and volume to be infused?

  What about using CS as an enema?  Good idea...  bad idea?  

  TIA,

  Mike 

Re: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas COMMENT

[Brooks Bradley]

Dear Sir/Madam,
I am NOT a doctor and do not give medical advice.  I
believe you will find that no rational adult human being would, knowingly,
inject any solution (IV or IM) which was not free of toxins/contaminates.
Bob Berger's advice appears quite sensible.  It would appear to be folly to
inject anything other than sterile solutions.  However, in a
life-threatening  emergency (if it was yours truly) I would not hesistate to
use any properly generated colloidal silver.  I am not recommending such,
nor is this to be construed as medical adviceit is just a citizen's
opinion.
The bactericidal/viricidal character of CS make it
peculiarly useful as an adjunct in such protocolsbecause of its ability
not only to address pathogenic insults currently presenting in the
circulation system..but for its beneficial control of incidental
pathogenic contamination of the parent solution used in the IV procedure.
Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
p.s.  The casual preparation of homemade CS for IV use by the layman,
without laboratory-grade precautions/environment would appear to be a recipe
for disaster.  At least that is my opinion.

alltogether...@webtv.net wrote:

> Dr Bradley, I just assumed that water would not be compatible with blood
> on account of contaminates in the water would trigger a immune response.
> I may be wrong.
>  I'd like to hear from anyone who does decide to make and inject CS, and
> the method used to make it. Thanks
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RE: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas

[James-Osborn: Holmes-Junior]

It is unlikely that a CS enema will have any significant effect on the
digestive flora. They live way up the tube.  

-Original Message-
From: alltogether...@webtv.net [mailto:alltogether...@webtv.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 4:10 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas


The IV water will give you a headache and will be immuno suppressive, and
the CS enema will kill friendly bacteria.  Neither one is a good idea.


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RE: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas

[James-Osborn: Holmes-Junior]

Do you have any reports of IV CS causing headaches that we can review?

-Original Message-
From: alltogether...@webtv.net [mailto:alltogether...@webtv.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 4:10 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas


The IV water will give you a headache and will be immuno suppressive, and
the CS enema will kill friendly bacteria.  Neither one is a good idea.


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Re: CS>CS use in I.V.'s & enemas COMMENT

[alltogethernow]

Dr Bradley, I just assumed that water would not be compatible with blood
on account of contaminates in the water would trigger a immune response.
I may be wrong. 
 I'd like to hear from anyone who does decide to make and inject CS, and
the method used to make it. Thanks


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