date:20000914


Because you can i think...


Dean

Patrick Kelso wrote:
> 
> what about the  old honeywell ball less mouse, it used to sensor pads, im
> sure they are still aound, that is what my old school usd.
> 
> although, just curious, what the hell is the point of stealng a mouse ball?
> 
> Patrick
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dean Hamstead [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, 15 September 2000 3:53 PM
> > To: Jill Rowling
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: Re: Proceedure for
> > preventing 'linux single' at lilo promp t
> >
> >
> > An interesting way ive seen tampering being prevented
> > (although somewhat
> > extreme)
> > was in mp3 (licensed mp3s) jukebox's. Although running windows, if the
> > cases werent
> > opened right the hdd would fry out. Preventing 20 gigs of licensed
> > material from theft
> >
> > Now if you really cared, i guess you could hook it up to your ram =)
> >
> > The worst theft though, is mouse balls. Working in a public
> > library, we
> > go through alot
> > of these. Infact we ordering in bags of them to keep up! Ideally we
> > could use optical
> > mice but i have seen any at a decent price, and they would have to be
> > padless (eg.
> > intelimice) or the pads would surely go missing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dean
> >
> >
> > Jill Rowling wrote:
> > >
> > > This is getting way OT because I don't think anyone is
> > running Linux on E250
> > > hardware, but you _CAN_ disable STOP-A by turning the front
> > panel switch to
> > > the run position and hiding the keyswitch.
> > >
> > > Regarding the PC RAM theft issue, I can only say YES has
> > happened recently
> > > and YES you need physical security. It's not going to go away.
> > >


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RE: [SLUG] Re: Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: Re: Proceedure for preve nting 'linux single' at lilo promp t


'Course they all match, at least over the model range :)
Just like a famous model of car I heard about then again if you leave
your E250 parked where everyone can stop-A it then I guess you get what you
asked for.
Actually if it wasn't real busy you should be able to get it back with a
"go".

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-Original Message-
From: Angus Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
are all keys for all (matching model) sun equipment identical?


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Re: [SLUG] Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: Re: Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo promp t

2000-09-14 Thread Dave Fitch



Dean Hamstead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Ideally we
> could use optical
> mice but i have seen any at a decent price, and they would have to be
> padless (eg.
> intelimice) or the pads would surely go missing.

but at least you could nail (or glue) the mouse pads down.

Dave.


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RE: [SLUG] Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: Re: Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo promp t

2000-09-14 Thread Patrick Kelso


what about the  old honeywell ball less mouse, it used to sensor pads, im
sure they are still aound, that is what my old school usd.

although, just curious, what the hell is the point of stealng a mouse ball?

Patrick

> -Original Message-
> From: Dean Hamstead [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 15 September 2000 3:53 PM
> To: Jill Rowling
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: Re: Proceedure for
> preventing 'linux single' at lilo promp t
> 
> 
> An interesting way ive seen tampering being prevented 
> (although somewhat
> extreme)
> was in mp3 (licensed mp3s) jukebox's. Although running windows, if the
> cases werent
> opened right the hdd would fry out. Preventing 20 gigs of licensed
> material from theft
> 
> Now if you really cared, i guess you could hook it up to your ram =)
> 
> The worst theft though, is mouse balls. Working in a public 
> library, we
> go through alot
> of these. Infact we ordering in bags of them to keep up! Ideally we
> could use optical
> mice but i have seen any at a decent price, and they would have to be
> padless (eg.
> intelimice) or the pads would surely go missing.
> 
> 
> 
> Dean
> 
> 
> Jill Rowling wrote:
> > 
> > This is getting way OT because I don't think anyone is 
> running Linux on E250
> > hardware, but you _CAN_ disable STOP-A by turning the front 
> panel switch to
> > the run position and hiding the keyswitch.
> > 
> > Regarding the PC RAM theft issue, I can only say YES has 
> happened recently
> > and YES you need physical security. It's not going to go away.
> > 
> > - Jill.
> > ___
> > Jill Rowling
> > Snr Design Engineer & Unix System Administrator
> > Electronic Engineering Department, Aristocrat Technologies Australia
> > 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018
> > Phone:  (02) 9697-4484  Fax:(02) 9663-1412
> > Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Angus Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > 
> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 02:15:07PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
> > > I did hear a rumour that RAM theft is a problem in corporate
> > > environments.  Does anyone have any first hand experience 
> of just how
> > > prevelent it might be.
> > and i forgot to mention in the previous list:
> > 
> >  if its a sparc, find a way to disable stop+a !
> > 
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email redirection (was Re: [SLUG] Re: MTU and flamebait)

2000-09-14 Thread Dave Fitch



Mehmet Ozdemir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Yeah, I think it's this mollymail.com service thats doing it :(, and by
> tell you this I going send another 3-4 msgs, I think I will divert slug
> msgs to my mbox.com.au acct

just moving/changing the topic even further...
what's a good email redirection service?
like pobox.com or email.com etc but preferably a .au one
and must be free.

Thanks,
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: Re: Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo promp t


An interesting way ive seen tampering being prevented (although somewhat
extreme)
was in mp3 (licensed mp3s) jukebox's. Although running windows, if the
cases werent
opened right the hdd would fry out. Preventing 20 gigs of licensed
material from theft

Now if you really cared, i guess you could hook it up to your ram =)

The worst theft though, is mouse balls. Working in a public library, we
go through alot
of these. Infact we ordering in bags of them to keep up! Ideally we
could use optical
mice but i have seen any at a decent price, and they would have to be
padless (eg.
intelimice) or the pads would surely go missing.



Dean


Jill Rowling wrote:
> 
> This is getting way OT because I don't think anyone is running Linux on E250
> hardware, but you _CAN_ disable STOP-A by turning the front panel switch to
> the run position and hiding the keyswitch.
> 
> Regarding the PC RAM theft issue, I can only say YES has happened recently
> and YES you need physical security. It's not going to go away.
> 
> - Jill.
> ___
> Jill Rowling
> Snr Design Engineer & Unix System Administrator
> Electronic Engineering Department, Aristocrat Technologies Australia
> 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018
> Phone:  (02) 9697-4484  Fax:(02) 9663-1412
> Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Angus Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 02:15:07PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
> > I did hear a rumour that RAM theft is a problem in corporate
> > environments.  Does anyone have any first hand experience of just how
> > prevelent it might be.
> and i forgot to mention in the previous list:
> 
>  if its a sparc, find a way to disable stop+a !
> 
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[SLUG] Re: Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: Re: Proceedure for preve nting 'linux single' at lilo promp t


On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 03:16:55PM +1100, Jill Rowling wrote:
> This is getting way OT because I don't think anyone is running Linux on E250
> hardware, but you _CAN_ disable STOP-A by turning the front panel switch to
> the run position and hiding the keyswitch.

are all keys for all (matching model) sun equipment identical?

or were we just really lucky..

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RE: [SLUG] Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: Re: Proceedure for preve nting 'linux single' at lilo promp t


From: Jill Rowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

>Regarding the PC RAM theft issue, I can only say YES has 
>happened recently
>and YES you need physical security. It's not going to go away. 

Physical security is a necessity for many things, including theft.  Remember
if people can open the case, they can reset your CMOS, boot from a rescue
floppy, copy out /etc/passwd, /etc/mirror etc. and lay trojans all over the
place to try to capture a root password.

Basically, if your machines aren't physically secure then the machine itself
must be considered untrusted even if it is running a trusted OS.

John Wiltshire


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RE: [SLUG] RAID and crash recovery


Sounds awful.
Just out of curiosity, did you put copies of the RAID database on multiple
physical drives or on only one?

- Jill.

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-Original Message-
From: Doug Stalker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
I just had a RAID 1 drive fail and lock the system - after rebuilding it was
full of corrupted files.


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[SLUG] Aureal Drivers


http://sourceforge.net/projects/aureal/

Just incase people dont know
these are based on the official drivers from aureal

i dont think the originals were as bad as say... the 
original sblive drivers were, but open development
is what makes unix great!

(the chicks help also... *grin*)

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Re: [SLUG] Olympics on Optus@Home

2000-09-14 Thread David Sainty


Sluggers,

Does anybody know of any sites that _do_ offer Real streaming video
coverage of the Olympics, so us Linux users aren't "out of the loop"?

Thanks for nothing Optus@Home.


David S..

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Andrew Macks wrote:

> 
> Hmm, I am most baffled as to why Optus@Home have chosen to make their
> Olympics video coverage Windows Media Player 7 only.  Not only does this
> cancel out all Linux users, but Macintosh users too!  The latest version
> of the player for their platform is 6.3, and will not play all of 7's
> streaming data.
> 
> Makes me wonder if Channel 7 like the version number, although RealVideo
> is also version 7.  Actually, maybe it's 8 now [hmmm!]
> 
> I guess it's a bit late to do anything useful about it, but if you wanted,
> you could write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and complain about it
> (Optus@Home customers especially :P)
> 
> I've already done so.
> Andrew.
> 
> 
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RE: [SLUG] Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: Re: Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo promp t

This is getting way OT because I don't think anyone is running Linux on E250
hardware, but you _CAN_ disable STOP-A by turning the front panel switch to
the run position and hiding the keyswitch.

Regarding the PC RAM theft issue, I can only say YES has happened recently
and YES you need physical security. It's not going to go away. 

- Jill.
___
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Snr Design Engineer & Unix System Administrator
Electronic Engineering Department, Aristocrat Technologies Australia
3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018
Phone:  (02) 9697-4484  Fax:(02) 9663-1412
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Angus Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 02:15:07PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
> I did hear a rumour that RAM theft is a problem in corporate
> environments.  Does anyone have any first hand experience of just how
> prevelent it might be.
and i forgot to mention in the previous list:

 if its a sparc, find a way to disable stop+a !

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Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: [SLUG] Re: Proceedure for preventing'linux single' at lilo promp t

2000-09-14 Thread Leon Strong



[root@penelope /root]# uptime
  2:58pm  up 483 days, 13:22,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[root@penelope /root]# 

Linux penelope 2.0.36 #1 Tue Oct 13 22:17:11 EDT 1998 i586 unknown

it's our printer server, does all our printing :)

Techs here threaten anyone near it with certain death if they so much as
look at it the wrong way.

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Dave Fitch wrote:

> 
> Howard Lowndes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I did hear a rumour that RAM theft is a problem in corporate
> > environments.  Does anyone have any first hand experience of just how
> > prevelent it might be.
> 
> No but (second hand) they had problems at my chick's old work
> with people pinching RAM to boost the amount in their own
> machines.
> 
> We joke about it at work here but it'd be too easy to get
> found out as (1) we're a small company and (2) you'd notice
> from the uptime on your machine that it had been rebooted
> and investigate why.
> 
> BTW, I noticed this the other day:
> 
> jill[davidf]> uptime
>   1:48pm  up 388 day(s),  1:50,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01
> jill[davidf]> uname -a
> SunOS jill 5.6 Generic_105182-05 i86pc i386 i86pc
> 
> It's a pentium 233 with 64Mb of RAM and is our x86 compiler
> and license server.
> 
> Dave.
> 
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Re: [SLUG] Re: MTU and flamebait


On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:38:04 +1100 Angus Lees wrote:

> 
> i wasn't really paying attention, but didn't another of mehmeto's
> posts do the same thing (earlier today / yesterday) ?
> 
Yeah, I think it's this mollymail.com service thats doing it :(, and by
tell you this I going send another 3-4 msgs, I think I will divert slug
msgs to my mbox.com.au acct

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Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: [SLUG] Re: Proceedure for preventing 'linuxsingle' at lilo promp t

2000-09-14 Thread Dave Fitch



Howard Lowndes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I did hear a rumour that RAM theft is a problem in corporate
> environments.  Does anyone have any first hand experience of just how
> prevelent it might be.

No but (second hand) they had problems at my chick's old work
with people pinching RAM to boost the amount in their own
machines.

We joke about it at work here but it'd be too easy to get
found out as (1) we're a small company and (2) you'd notice
from the uptime on your machine that it had been rebooted
and investigate why.

BTW, I noticed this the other day:

jill[davidf]> uptime
  1:48pm  up 388 day(s),  1:50,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01
jill[davidf]> uname -a
SunOS jill 5.6 Generic_105182-05 i86pc i386 i86pc

It's a pentium 233 with 64Mb of RAM and is our x86 compiler
and license server.

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[SLUG] Microsoft Security Bulletin (MS00-666): SOS vulnerability

2000-09-14 Thread Aaron Binns

With Terry's comments on asking about Microsoft products on the SLUG list,
combines with reading User Friendly too much and being on the Bugtraq (or is
that MStraq) list.. I thought I might resurrect this piece of satire for your
reading... erm.. enjoyment? It looks a lot like certain articles I have seen in
the Austrlaian IT section over the past few months.. h

WARNING: SATIRE AHEAD
This piece is satire. It makes no attempt to be taken seriously.. and if you
dont like it.. youre free to delete it from your mailbox.
***

The following is a Security Bulletin from the Microstuft Product Security
Notification Service.

Please do not flame this message, as it was sent from an unattended mailbox.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Microstuft Security Bulletin (MS00-666)
- ---

Patch Available for "Windoze 95, 98, NT, 2000 anti-Linux Security Patch" for the
"We dont have vulnerabilities, only undocumented-features" Vulnerability
Originally posted: September 15, 2000

Summary
===
Microstuft has released a patch that eliminates a security vulnerability in the
Windoze filesystem that ships with Microstuft(r) Windoze 95, 98, NT and 2000.
The vulnerability could, under certain circumstances, allow a malicious user to
obtain data from all users and access to the filesystem.

Frequently asked questions regarding this vulnerability and the patch can be
found at http://www.Microstuft.com/technut/security/bulletin/fq00-666.gasp

Issue
=
Windoze installer includes a filesystem creation executable capable of creating
filesystems recognisable through DOS and Windoze 95, 98, NT and 2000. These
filesystems include Fat16, Fat32 and NTFS varieties. A vulnerability exists in
that while we have not told anyone how to read and write to these filesystem
types, some hacker has figure out how to and written this into what is known as
the Linux virus. This could allow a malicious user to obtain another users data
and full access to the filesystem without the users authorisation.

A malicious user could exploit this behaviour by creating a carefully-crafted
dual-boot filesystem that, when used, could attempt to mount the fat or NT
filesystem to a rogue mount point - automatically allowing full access to the
malicious virus's owner. The malicious user could then use an real-time passive
translation module to derive the nature of the filesystem mounted or, with
specialised tools pre-supplied by the virus, could simply change directory to
the mount point in an attempt to access protected resources.

This vulnerability would only provide the malicious user with full access to the
data of another user. It would not, by itself, allow a malicious user to gain
control of another user's computer. In order to do this, the malicious user
would have to be able to remotely logon to the target system. This is however
another function of the virus, even allowing gui access from a remote site.
However, best practices dictate that remote logon services be blocked by
un-installing the OS, and if these practices were followed, they would prevent
an attacker from using the virus to logon to the target system. Best practices
also strongly recommend that Windoze 2000 users logon to their hosts with User
level credentials, and if these practices were followed, they would prevent a
Luser from obtaining Administrator level credentials.

Patch
=

The patch provided through Microstuft Download Centre should be executed on the
filesystem to be secured and will provide multi-level security from both the
Linux Virus and from Lusers. Running the executable will enable a patented
Microstuft(r) counter-intuitive scrambling algorithm on the file access tables,
boot sector, system sectors and data sectors making it impossible to access the
system without the unlock executable. The system will reboot after the
scrambling is finished. The unlock executable must be run from the filesystem to
be unlocked. This will ensure the system is protected against intrusion by the
Linux Virus and also protects against access by System Lusers.

Affected Software Versions
==
- Microstuft DDOS
- Microstuft Windoze 95
- Microstuft Windoze 98
- Microstuft Windoze NT
- Microstuft Windoze 2000

Patch Availability
==

- All Systems:
http://www.Microstuft.com/Downloads/Release.gasp?ReleaseID=666_spawn_of_satan

Note: The above URL may not be accessible. If this is the case, please download
the patch from the following URL:

(this UR
L may be
wrapped)

http://download.Microstuft.com/download/ms_platform/patch/q666_s_o_s/all/en-us/q666_s_o_s_all_x86_en.exe

Note: This patch may be applied to both Windoze and Macintosh systems (but good
luck making the executable run).

Note: Additional Linux

[SLUG] Re: MTU and flamebait


On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 02:04:28PM +1000, Stephen Mills wrote:
> something wrong with the list ? I seem to have got this message four times
> already.

i wasn't really paying attention, but didn't another of mehmeto's
posts do the same thing (earlier today / yesterday) ?

> -Original Message-
> From: Mehmet Ozdemir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:48 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait

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[SLUG] Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: Re: Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo promp t


On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 02:15:07PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
> I did hear a rumour that RAM theft is a problem in corporate
> environments.  Does anyone have any first hand experience of just how
> prevelent it might be.

at uni, we had entire labs stripped of ram and the occasional
processor, until they welded steel plates around the entire case.


and i forgot to mention in the previous list:

 if its a sparc, find a way to disable stop+a !

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Re: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: [SLUG] Re: Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo promp t

Patrick Kelso wrote:
> 
> we have had numerous people stealing ram from machines, either sneakily
> replacing 128mb dimms with 64mb ones, or just taking ram left right and
> centre from every machine they can. Still working on ways to avoid this, as
> DELL cases are notoriously easyb to open, dont even need a screw driver, 

Compaq came with a fitting that could be used to padlock the case shut.
How do Dells measure up?

The old way was to replace case screws with non-tamper screws, but that
is a continual arms race (torx with centre pins seems least common
fitting available).

basically it comes down to locking the case down, but you then run into
problems of common/cheap locks that only have a few key variations,

I usually find a big WOA across the SIMM stops that. (don't know the
long term effect of ink chemicals ectching on the SIMM yet).

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[SLUG] Olympics on Optus@Home

2000-09-14 Thread Andrew Macks



Hmm, I am most baffled as to why Optus@Home have chosen to make their
Olympics video coverage Windows Media Player 7 only.  Not only does this
cancel out all Linux users, but Macintosh users too!  The latest version
of the player for their platform is 6.3, and will not play all of 7's
streaming data.

Makes me wonder if Channel 7 like the version number, although RealVideo
is also version 7.  Actually, maybe it's 8 now [hmmm!]

I guess it's a bit late to do anything useful about it, but if you wanted,
you could write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and complain about it
(Optus@Home customers especially :P)

I've already done so.
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Re: [SLUG] No remote printing


I have gone a bit further, by trying the older SuSE rpm, but still no cigar.
Now if I restart the printer using lpc, the print job leaves marge, but does
not print on monty, instead I get this in /var/log/messages:

Sep 15 13:18:44 monty lpd[653]: readfile: : illegal path name: Bad file
descriptor

I think I will let SuSE know, and then give up on lpd, maybe try pdq or lpreng

Cheers


Erich


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RE: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: [SLUG] Re: Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo promp t

2000-09-14 Thread Patrick Kelso


we have had numerous people stealing ram from machines, either sneakily
replacing 128mb dimms with 64mb ones, or just taking ram left right and
centre from every machine they can. Still working on ways to avoid this, as
DELL cases are notoriously easyb to open, dont even need a screw driver, but
the new ones have alarmsa that go off if the case weas removed, allowing you
to check the last person who had access, not to mention the dell startup
screen that hides the memory count, as do IBM, Compaq, and Gateway machines
as well.

Patrick Kelso
junior unix geek
Davnet ltd.

( no that isnt my real signature but it sums me up better ;)


> -Original Message-
> From: Howard Lowndes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 15 September 2000 2:15 PM
> To: Angus Lees
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Moving OT a bit [was] Re: [SLUG] Re: Proceedure for 
> preventing
> 'linux single' at lilo promp t
> 
> 
> I did hear a rumour that RAM theft is a problem in corporate
> environments.  Does anyone have any first hand experience of just how
> prevelent it might be.
> 
> -- 
> Howard.
> __
> LANNet Computing Associates 
> 
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Angus Lees wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 01:21:59PM +1000, Stephen Mills wrote:
> > > 1) be reminded that if a person has physical access to 
> your linux machine,
> > > they can usually have full access to all information 
> within a few mins with
> > > a boot floppy
> > > 
> > > 2) you can set a password on the lilo prompt to prevent 
> them from booting an
> > > image without the proper password, but rule 1 still 
> applies, check out
> > > /usr/doc/lilo-* for more info
> > > 
> > > 3) put your server under lock and key if its a problem
> > 
> > or in a lab-like environment:
> > 
> >  set to only boot from harddrive
> > 
> >  password protect the bios
> > 
> >  password protect lilo
> > 
> >  padlock the case closed (or put the case in a lockable steel cage)
> >  (*make sure people can't just poke the 5.25 cover off, and reach in
> >  anyway*)
> > 
> >  make sure that the machine boots to sulogin on single user
> >  (ie: failed fsck)
> > 
> > and then you should be reasonably safe. floppy / cdrom can 
> be accessed
> > using the normal permissions (don't allow suid or devices on those
> > media tho..)
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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[SLUG] Lost MBR Problems

2000-09-14 Thread Bill


Hi All,

I've lost the MBR on my HDD containing both RedHat 6.2 and Mandrake 7.1
linux.

Problem stems from fact that this HDD was my Primary Master IDE drive, and
my Secondary Master had Win98 and BeOS PE ( as zip folder in Windows).

Used Seagate's DiscWizard to try to restore MBR to Win HDD ( MBR corrupted
by bad install of BeOS's Bootman bootmgr). DiscWizard showed this HDD as C:
(which it was under Windows as Windows ignored the Linux HDD), but
apparently DiscWizard then went ahead and "restored" the MBR to the linux
HDD instead.

Have fixed the Windows HDD, but how do I restore the MBR/Lilo to my linux
drive when I can't access linux on it? Can I use linux fips or fdisk?

Thankfully I have 2 PCs so should be able to fix anything by swapping
drives around (as I did with Windows).

Any help or advice appreciated.

Bill
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Moving OT a bit [was] Re: [SLUG] Re: Proceedure for preventing 'linuxsingle' at lilo promp t


I did hear a rumour that RAM theft is a problem in corporate
environments.  Does anyone have any first hand experience of just how
prevelent it might be.

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__
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Angus Lees wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 01:21:59PM +1000, Stephen Mills wrote:
> > 1) be reminded that if a person has physical access to your linux machine,
> > they can usually have full access to all information within a few mins with
> > a boot floppy
> > 
> > 2) you can set a password on the lilo prompt to prevent them from booting an
> > image without the proper password, but rule 1 still applies, check out
> > /usr/doc/lilo-* for more info
> > 
> > 3) put your server under lock and key if its a problem
> 
> or in a lab-like environment:
> 
>  set to only boot from harddrive
> 
>  password protect the bios
> 
>  password protect lilo
> 
>  padlock the case closed (or put the case in a lockable steel cage)
>  (*make sure people can't just poke the 5.25 cover off, and reach in
>  anyway*)
> 
>  make sure that the machine boots to sulogin on single user
>  (ie: failed fsck)
> 
> and then you should be reasonably safe. floppy / cdrom can be accessed
> using the normal permissions (don't allow suid or devices on those
> media tho..)
> 
> 



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Re: [SLUG] Linux Mandrake

2000-09-14 Thread Doug Stalker




Christine Whybrow wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've just installed Linux-Mandrake 7.1 on my new motherboard.
>
>
> 1/ Sound. The sound is reported ( by Win 2000 ) as a Intel 82801BA/BAM AC
> '97 Audio Controller 2445. Linux seems completely unable to detect it!

Have you tried runnig sndconfig?  It's a redhat utility included with Mandrake
7.1 and it worked for me.


>
>
> 2/ NIC. The NIC is reported as Intel Pro/100 VE Network Card ( again under
> Win 2000 ). Undere Linux the card is detected but can't install and I am
> presented with a page of options ( transmit and receive fifo's etc) but I
> have no idea of what to fill in?

I recently installed to a system with an Intel Pro/100 (built into the
motherboard) and it detected fine when installing.


 - Doug




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Re: [SLUG] RAID and crash recovery

2000-09-14 Thread Doug Stalker

Jill Rowling wrote:

> Well, yes, you can just boot from a floppy if the machine has a floppy
> drive.
> The main thing about RAID 1 is that a hard disk crash whilst the machine is
> running does not get noticed by users.

I just had a RAID 1 drive fail and lock the system - after rebuilding it was
full of corrupted files.  Every other time it's happened it just been a matter
of shuting down the system and rebuilding the drive - with a good RAID
controller and a hot spare even this wouldn't be needed.

Moral of the story:  No matter how good your RAID is, make regular backups.

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RE: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait

2000-09-14 Thread Stephen Mills

something wrong with the list ? I seem to have got this message four times
already.

--Stephen

-Original Message-
From: Mehmet Ozdemir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait

Well a Visual Basic Users list wouldn't be the best place to ask a windows
networking question, kind of like asking a php question in a perl list,
perhaps one of the windows.networking or windowsnt.networking newsgroups is
a better. 

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RE: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


From: Mehmet Ozdemir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

>Well a Visual Basic Users list wouldn't be the best place to 
>ask a windows networking question, kind of like asking a php question in a
perl list

Actually, kinda like asking a Windows networking question in a Linux users
list.  Except the average Linux user has a clue and the average VB user
doesn't.

John Wiltshire


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Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: Basic CVS Usage

2000-09-14 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick

On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 12:12:23PM +1100, enterfornone wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 11:39:17AM +1100, Ben Leslie wrote:
> There are a lot of python utils distributed under the GPL.  The theory
> is that a non-gpl compatable python makes thse illegal to distribute
> (a bit like the old KDE argument).
> 
> Personally I think this isn't a problem with interprete languages
> but i don't really know enough about python to tell how
> the utils "link" with the interpreter.

It's not a problem for code written purely in Python. It _is_ a problem for any
modules that wrap other code (wrapping C-libraries for example), which require
code from the Python sources, or code that want an embedded Python compiler.
Needless to say, the BeOpen labs will get things sorted out for Python 2.0,
because it will be very bad if Python turns out not to be GPL compatible.

Cheers,
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[SLUG] [OT] Strange motherboard restart problem.

2000-09-14 Thread Arunava Sen


hi,

sorry about the offtopic post. i just got a new Abit KT7-raid
motherboard and a duron 700. its pretty cool but i get a very strange
problem when restarting.

everytime i restart or shutdown, the motherboard just hangs upon
starting up. the power and hdd leds come on but thats about it. the very
strange part is that it works fine if i pull out the power cord out and
shove it back in and then start it up.

this happens if:
* i turn the box off then turn it off.
* restart from within linux using 'init 6'
* go into the bios then and exit. (upon which it tries to do a restart)

this is very annoying. if you know what the problem is, please message
me.

Thanks in advance.

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[SLUG] Linux Mandrake

2000-09-14 Thread Christine Whybrow


Hi,

I've just installed Linux-Mandrake 7.1 on my new motherboard.

The motherboard is a Intel D815EEA with inbuilt Sound and NIC. The processor
is a Pentium III 733MHz, 133 MHz FSB with 128Mb RAM.

I have three problems with the install.

1/ Sound. The sound is reported ( by Win 2000 ) as a Intel 82801BA/BAM AC
'97 Audio Controller 2445. Linux seems completely unable to detect it!

2/ NIC. The NIC is reported as Intel Pro/100 VE Network Card ( again under
Win 2000 ). Undere Linux the card is detected but can't install and I am
presented with a page of options ( transmit and receive fifo's etc) but I
have no idea of what to fill in?

3/ C++ Headers. I purchased the Linux Mandrake 7.1 Complete which came with
an install disk and an applications CD. There is mention of an "extensions
CD" but this only came with the more expensive boxed set. My install is
"Development" as I wan't to use KDevelop 1.2 for C++ programming at home for
my University Computer Science ( which is done with CodeWarrior under Linux
at the University ). The problem is, there appears to be a large number of
header files missing from the install, most noticeably iostream.h. I can't
even compile and run the test program in KDevelop. Are the headers contained
on the extensions disk ( which I can download from the net I think ) or is
something else wrong?

Thanks for your help


Christine




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Re: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


> find the answers.  Linux people at least tend not to have any pretense of
> being completely knowledgeable about a complex system and yet know all
> sorts
> of useful stuff about interoperability.
> 
> I dare you to ask the same quesion on a Visual Basic users list and see
> what
> response you get?
> 

Well a Visual Basic Users list wouldn't be the best place to ask a windows
networking question, kind of like asking a php question in a perl list,
perhaps one of the windows.networking or windowsnt.networking newsgroups is
a better. As much people in this list would like to think otherwise there
are some in people in MS ng/lists with a clue. One NG as a prime example
is/was the proxy newsgroup that dealt with ms proxy server, there a few
people in there that really knew there stuff.

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Re: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


> find the answers.  Linux people at least tend not to have any pretense of
> being completely knowledgeable about a complex system and yet know all
> sorts
> of useful stuff about interoperability.
> 
> I dare you to ask the same quesion on a Visual Basic users list and see
> what
> response you get?
> 

Well a Visual Basic Users list wouldn't be the best place to ask a windows
networking question, kind of like asking a php question in a perl list,
perhaps one of the windows.networking or windowsnt.networking newsgroups is a
better. As much people in this list would like to think otherwise there are
some in people in MS ng/lists with a clue. One NG as a prime example is/was
the proxy newsgroup that dealt with ms proxy server, there a few people in
there that really knew there stuff.

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Re: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


> find the answers.  Linux people at least tend not to have any pretense of
> being completely knowledgeable about a complex system and yet know all
> sorts
> of useful stuff about interoperability.
> 
> I dare you to ask the same quesion on a Visual Basic users list and see
> what
> response you get?
> 

Well a Visual Basic Users list wouldn't be the best place to ask a windows
networking question, kind of like asking a php question in a perl list,
perhaps one of the windows.networking or windowsnt.networking newsgroups is
a better. As much people in this list would like to think otherwise there
are some in people in MS ng/lists with a clue. One NG as a prime example
is/was the proxy newsgroup that dealt with ms proxy server, there a few
people in there that really knew there stuff.

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[SLUG] Re: Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo promp t


On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 01:21:59PM +1000, Stephen Mills wrote:
> 1) be reminded that if a person has physical access to your linux machine,
> they can usually have full access to all information within a few mins with
> a boot floppy
> 
> 2) you can set a password on the lilo prompt to prevent them from booting an
> image without the proper password, but rule 1 still applies, check out
> /usr/doc/lilo-* for more info
> 
> 3) put your server under lock and key if its a problem

or in a lab-like environment:

 set to only boot from harddrive

 password protect the bios

 password protect lilo

 padlock the case closed (or put the case in a lockable steel cage)
 (*make sure people can't just poke the 5.25 cover off, and reach in
 anyway*)

 make sure that the machine boots to sulogin on single user
 (ie: failed fsck)

and then you should be reasonably safe. floppy / cdrom can be accessed
using the normal permissions (don't allow suid or devices on those
media tho..)

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RE: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


Hmm - Terry in a suit. Scary.
Mind you, me in a suit would be positively weird.

Seriously though, we do need to be able to use a multitude of os's if we
want to get things done with other people, especially if you want to remain
on friendly terms with your not-so-linux-friendly collegues.
I still get heaps about the
I /\/\ LINUX
   \/
sticker on my filing cabinet.

- Jill.

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Have we just had a MS OS support question asked on SLUG list?
Shit - time to start wearing a suit to Slug meetings if this is the
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> find the answers.  Linux people at least tend not to have any pretense of
> being completely knowledgeable about a complex system and yet know all
> sorts
> of useful stuff about interoperability.
> 
> I dare you to ask the same quesion on a Visual Basic users list and see
> what
> response you get?
> 

Well a Visual Basic Users list wouldn't be the best place to ask a windows
networking question, kind of like asking a php question in a perl list,
perhaps one of the windows.networking or windowsnt.networking newsgroups is a
better. As much people in this list would like to think otherwise there are
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Re: [SLUG] Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo prompt


Set a password in the /etc/lilo.conf and rerun lilo.  Check out the lilo
doco for details.

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Matt wrote:

> How might I disable this quick way of getting in to root ? 
> 
> Thanks ! 
> 
> -- Matt Kozera
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Re: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait

> John Wiltshire wrote:
> 
> (Shudder) You are a braver man than me.  I get this funny rash when I have
> to code in VB.  Development environments that don't save your source and
> then run your code in-process always made my day.  Code crashes.  IDE dies.
> Lose all work.  Throw computer at window.  You get the picture.

At the risk of either a) continuing this thread, b) embarassing myself, or
c) being told to buy beer for Terry after the next SLUG meeting, you can
tell the piece of software in question to automatically save on run, or to
prompt you.

The default is of course, broken and daft (...words that describe more than
just the defaults).

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Re: [SLUG] Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo promp t

> Stephen Mills wrote:
> 
> 1) be reminded that if a person has physical access to your linux machine,
> they can usually have full access to all information within a few mins with
> a boot floppy

Not if you don't have a floppy drive! Throw away that legacy hardware
people - do as Steve does. :) We shall overcome...

(If you're really uneasy about that, throw in a removable floppy bay. You're
not going to really need a floppy unless you're rebooting anway.)

Proved quite nicely by the recent story about Debian confusing a notebook
thief, you can rely on stupidity, ignorance and pressure to foil the
amateurs.

> 3) put your server under lock and key if its a problem

If you're feeling wacky, and get a certain amount of satisfaction confusing
would-be corporate saboteurs, overclock the machine to hell, and pop it in a
crate of mineral oil.

Watch them look for the floppy drive!

Watch them look for the case screws!

Watch them try to remove the hard drive!

Cackle with glee at the security camera recording as they slide about
desperately trying to work out how they failed.

In other news: The acronym "BOFH" has no S for sadism.

- Jeff

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RE: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


From: Jason Rennie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>> I dare you to ask the same quesion on a Visual Basic users 
>list and see what
>> response you get?
>
>Can you find me alist, i shall accept this challenge :)

(Shudder) You are a braver man than me.  I get this funny rash when I have
to code in VB.  Development environments that don't save your source and
then run your code in-process always made my day.  Code crashes.  IDE dies.
Lose all work.  Throw computer at window.  You get the picture.

http://www.avbug.com.au/resources.htm is a good start, especially as they
have a nice section telling people what a List Server actually is.

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RE: [SLUG] RAID and crash recovery


Well, yes, you can just boot from a floppy if the machine has a floppy
drive.
The main thing about RAID 1 is that a hard disk crash whilst the machine is
running does not get noticed by users.
Suppose your system had to run in a remote site full of untrained people.
In that case you might want to put /boot in RAID 1 as well but otherwise I
don't see the point if you are going to be there and boot it off a floppy.

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When using a hardware RAID 1 does it make alot of sense to mirror the /boot
partition? I have got all the other partitions mirrored but not /boot and
another one that doesnt matter (/dos). In linux how does crash recovery get
affected if the disk with the /boot dies? Can't i just boot off a floppy
disk and get the system back up and running? How is the boot process
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[SLUG] Mutt, bad dog!

2000-09-14 Thread Adrian van den Dries


Hi all. 

I'm trying to set an index-hook to display the recipient in a certain
folder, so I take my index_format from my .mutt/variables file:

set index_format="%4C %Z %[!%d/%m] %-17.17F (%3l) %s"

and dump it into an folder-hook:

folder-hook myfolder set index_format="%4C %Z %[!%d %b %T] %-17.17t"


But upon startup, I have mutt telling me:

%Z: unknown variable

Why is it so? From 'man muttrc' i see:

   folder-hook [!]regexp command

and:

   index_format
  Type: string
  Default: "%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15L (%4l) %s"

What am I doing wrong, or is it broken?

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RE: [SLUG] Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo prompt

2000-09-14 Thread Stephen Mills


1) be reminded that if a person has physical access to your linux machine,
they can usually have full access to all information within a few mins with
a boot floppy

2) you can set a password on the lilo prompt to prevent them from booting an
image without the proper password, but rule 1 still applies, check out
/usr/doc/lilo-* for more info

3) put your server under lock and key if its a problem

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How might I disable this quick way of getting in to root ? 

Thanks ! 

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[SLUG] Re: Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo prompt


On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 12:58:49PM +1100, Matt wrote:
> How might I disable this quick way of getting in to root ? 

set a lilo password

look for "restricted" in lilo.conf(5)

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[SLUG] Proceedure for preventing 'linux single' at lilo prompt

2000-09-14 Thread Matt


How might I disable this quick way of getting in to root ? 

Thanks ! 

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Re: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait

John Wiltshire wrote:

..snip...

> Besides, who better to ask technical questions of than a mob of Linux users.

So you think crawling will fix it all {:-) (VBG)

I know exactly how Jason felt - where can you find an MS support mob
that is as good as SLUG.

Hmm, perhaps we should negotiate here for future questions - an answer
for an MS problem will cost a round at the pub after Slug meetings!
Woops - ASKING a MS question on the slug list will cost a round at the
pub after the slug meeting.

>  Linux people at least tend not to have any pretense of
> being completely knowledgeable about a complex system and yet know all sorts
> of useful stuff about interoperability.

One of the nice things about GNU/Linux. 

...snip... 

> No need to get that suit out yet.  :-)

My last contract started in a suit and finished in jeans and shirt and
it wasn't casual Friday either. 

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RE: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


> I dare you to ask the same quesion on a Visual Basic users list and see what
> response you get?

Can you find me alist, i shall accept this challenge :)

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RE: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait

2000-09-14 Thread Aaron Binns




>Do I see correctly?

I think so.

>Have we just had a MS OS support question asked on SLUG list?
>And an answer given with a positive recommendation for MS support?

No.. he said "When looking for information on Windows..." and as we all well
know.. windows isnt positive at all.. :)

>Shit - time to start wearing a suit to Slug meetings if this is the
>case.

Whats wrong with wearing a suit anyhow? Tux does!

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RE: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


From: Terry Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>Do I see correctly?
>
>Have we just had a MS OS support question asked on SLUG list?
>And an answer given with a positive recommendation for MS support?
>
>Shit - time to start wearing a suit to Slug meetings if this is the
>case.

I should have mentioned that I found the answers first on the MSDN DVD
(which costs about $3000/yr) and translated them into web addresses.
Searching the web is definitely not the most efficient - you get a few
hundred results and have to know from past experience which is better and
which isn't.

Besides, who better to ask technical questions of than a mob of Linux users.
Most Microsoft people (including "certified ones") I know wouldn't even know
what MTU meant and how it applied to ADSL let alone know where to look to
find the answers.  Linux people at least tend not to have any pretense of
being completely knowledgeable about a complex system and yet know all sorts
of useful stuff about interoperability.

I dare you to ask the same quesion on a Visual Basic users list and see what
response you get?

No need to get that suit out yet.  :-)

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Re: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait

> Terry Collins wrote:
> 
> Shit - time to start wearing a suit to Slug meetings if this is the
> case.

Might even leave the Tux tie at home too. *shiver*

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Re: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


Do I see correctly?

Have we just had a MS OS support question asked on SLUG list?
And an answer given with a positive recommendation for MS support?

Shit - time to start wearing a suit to Slug meetings if this is the
case.


> When looking for information on Windows, this URL is your friend
> http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp
> 
> To answer your question:
> 
> On NT/2000 (Q120620,
> http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q120/6/42.asp)

...snip..

> On 9x/Me (Q158474
> http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q158/4/74.asp)

...snip...

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Re: [SLUG] No remote printing

2000-09-14 Thread Grahame M. Kelly

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, you wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, could you give us the full URL, because I didn't find
> anything on their web site. Hopefully I mught learn from it

I looked but it has gone from the Tech Support DB and I don't think
my memory is that bad because I had the exact same problem on my net
at home and ended up going over to lprng - LPRng Print Spooler which
saved my hair loss. As I couldn't get the older lpr to do remote
printing reliably

Cheers, Grahame

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Re: [SLUG] No remote printing


"Grahame M. Kelly" wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, you wrote:
> 
> If you look at thw www.suse.com 6.4 support/updates you will see you
> need to de-grade back one to an older lpr-old rpm, or alternatively
> get the newer 7.0 version.

I missed that problem, but then I use an Axis printserver (560) and it
rolled its own installation quite okay. {:-). 


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[SLUG] Mail Client


Somebody was asking for decent mail clients, before.  I have just come across
xfmail, which came with SuSE 6.4. I have only just started using it, but it
looks like it's worht a try. What I like about it is:
Hierachial message folders
Incoming message filtering

I was using kmail, but i thrashed my hard drive one night (amongst orther
things like no hierarchy), so I dumped it.

Cheers

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Re: [SLUG] LILO

2000-09-14 Thread Peter Rundle


> a friend just rang me up, his system boots but stops at 'LI'
> i have heard about this before but i couldn't remember what it means...
> please remind me how painfully sad my memory is...

This usually happens when the boot directory is on a files system
that exceeds the magic 1024 cylinders. Usually solution is to make
/dev/hda1 a 16Mb partition mounted as /boot


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Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: Basic CVS Usage

2000-09-14 Thread enterfornone

On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 11:39:17AM +1100, Ben Leslie wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Angus Lees wrote:
> 
>  
> > 
> > which is going to be so very useful, when the next python license
> > turns out to be incompatible with the GPL.. (see license for python
> > 1.6) [insert anti- python / commercially sponsored competitions
> > bigotry here]
> 
> Not to start an off-topic flame war, but what specifically is wrong with
> license begin incompatible with the GPL? THere are many free licenses whic
> turn out to be incompatible with the GPL.

There are a lot of python utils distributed under the GPL.  The theory
is that a non-gpl compatable python makes thse illegal to distribute
(a bit like the old KDE argument).

Personally I think this isn't a problem with interprete languages
but i don't really know enough about python to tell how
the utils "link" with the interpreter.

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Re: [SLUG] No remote printing


Just out of curiosity, could you give us the full URL, because I didn't find
anything on their web site. Hopefully I mught learn from it

Cheers

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Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: Basic CVS Usage

2000-09-14 Thread Ben Leslie

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Angus Lees wrote:

> 
> which is going to be so very useful, when the next python license
> turns out to be incompatible with the GPL.. (see license for python
> 1.6) [insert anti- python / commercially sponsored competitions
> bigotry here]

Not to start an off-topic flame war, but what specifically is wrong with
license begin incompatible with the GPL? THere are many free licenses whic
turn out to be incompatible with the GPL.

You will find that the following licenses, although being "free", are also 
incompatabile with the GPL[1]:

The license of Apache
The LaTeX project public license
The Mozilla Public License
PHP4 License. (php3 was available under php3)

It would seem that the Python group has been trying to make their license
compatible[2]:

"7.Is it compatible with the GNU Public License (GPL)? 

Legal counsel for both CNRI and BeOpen.com believe that it is fully compatible
 with the GPL. However, the Free Software Foundation attorney and Richard 
Stallman believe there may be one incompatibility, i.e., the CNRI License 
specifies a legal venue to interpret its License while the GPL is silent on 
the issue of jurisdiction. Resolution of this issue is being pursued. "

I can't seem to find a reference for the other side of the story, but I would
be glad to see one.

The python license[3] is free, despite what appears to be a very minor,
 incompatibility problem with the GPL.

If you don't want to use python due to the licensing issues then you should 
probably reconsider using apache, latex, mozilla and php4. If you don't want to
use python for other reasons though, go right ahead.

Cheers,

Benno

*puts on flame resistant suit*

[1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html
[2] http://www.python.org/1.6/license_faq.html
[3] http://www.handle.net/python_licenses/python1.6_9-5-00.html

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[SLUG] Remote Printing


Hi all:

I have two SuSE 6.4 machines,
marge: no printer
monty: nice brother laser
 and I want marge to print to the printer on monty, but I cannot get it working.
I have set the remote que on marge as:
lp|remote printer on monty:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
:rm=monty.private.emseng.com.au:\
:rp=lp:\
:bk:sh:mx#0:
and the hosts.lpd on monty as:
#
# hosts.lpd This file describes the names of the hosts which are
#   to be considered "equivalent", i.e. which are to be
#   trusted enough for allowing remote lpr(1) commands.
#
# hostname
marge.private.emseng.com.au

The relevant printcap entry on monty is:
lp|lp2|ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300|ljet4 a4 auto mono 300:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300/acct:\
:if=/var/lib/apsfilter/bin/ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300:\
:la@:mx#0:\
:tr=:cl:sh:sf:


and the message I get on marge from lpq is:
marge: waiting for queue to be enabled on monty.private.emseng.com.au
Rank   Owner  Job  Files Total Size
1stkylie  1(standard input)  210945 bytes

I don't really know where to go from here. I tried running lpd on monty with
the -l option, but I can't find the log files.


Any hints?

Cheers

Erich



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Re: SLUG PUB GRUB (was Re: [SLUG] Singers Wanted (Seriously))


> we should remember to eat at some point though (says he who all too
> often forgets to eat ...). A pub with an open kitchen at that time
> of night would be brilliant. Probably shouldn't be that hard to find
> after this month's meeting what with most places in the city open and
> serving food till late.

In that case i might stay after slug this month.

Dinner at the house of boiled television entrails was too expensive.

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SLUG PUB GRUB (was Re: [SLUG] Singers Wanted (Seriously))

2000-09-14 Thread Conrad Parker

On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 07:34:23PM +1100, Terry Collins wrote:
> 
> I think it is time to chuck the chinese after slug and retire to a pub.

oath!

we should remember to eat at some point though (says he who all too
often forgets to eat ...). A pub with an open kitchen at that time
of night would be brilliant. Probably shouldn't be that hard to find
after this month's meeting what with most places in the city open and
serving food till late.

K.

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Re: [SLUG] Re: MTU and flamebait


> enterfornone wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 07:45:34AM +1100, Angus Lees wrote:
> > 
> > (before you do, ring up adsl tech support and try and get them to say
> > "yes, its a bug. yes, we intend to fix it by this date")
> 
> is there a prize for the first to get them to do it?


Two words: Telstra Bingo.

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Re: [SLUG] Email Server Questions

2000-09-14 Thread John Clarke


On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 09:04:40PM +1100, Jason Rennie wrote:

> But how do i get sendmail to accept mail as a secondary mail server ?

You have to configure your sendmail to relay for that domain. Exactly how
depends upon the version of sendmail you have.  For 8.8, add the domain to
/etc/mail/relay_allow.  For 8.9, add it to /etc/mail/access and rebuild
the database.  See http://www.sendmail.org/m4/anti-spam.html for details.

Cheers,

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[SLUG] New for version freaks :)

2000-09-14 Thread Graeme Merrall


Just to let everyone know that a new version of Evolution has been released
(0.5) which shoul dkeep us downloaders happy :)
Also for NVidia users there is a new version of the NVidia X drivers out
(0.95). These aren't as super new as Evolution but new enough.
Changeog below.
* Improve XFree86 4.0.1 support
* re-fixed console switch lockup
* fix some AGP regressions. Better detection/support for AGPGART
* fix color palette problems (xgamma, direct color visuals)
* add bios posting override to help with some card problems (M64)
* update included 2.4 support to newest test kernels

Cheers,
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RE: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


From: Jason Rennie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>> When looking for information on Windows, this URL is your friend
>> http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp
>> 
>
>Thanks john, i finally found out late last night how to do it on win98,
>thanks for the tip on NT though,i hadn't found the way yet.
>
>BTW why would you have differnet mtu settings for remote and 
>local packets
>?

If you are on ethernet and your router is connected via ADSL then you can be
more efficient by not forcing the router to fragment everything for you.

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Re: [SLUG] LILO

2000-09-14 Thread marty


> This occurs for lots of reasons.
> If your disk configuration has changed enough it will occur
> eg. the settings in your bios have changed

he had just done a reinstall...

> you just need to run lilo again to set things straight again, 
> you may need a emergency recovery disk or a single disk dist.

thanks for all the suggestions, i'll pass them on

...and yes, /usr/doc and google are your friends...  ;)

later
marty

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Re: [SLUG] LILO

2000-09-14 Thread Brett Esra


marty wrote:
> 
> a friend just rang me up, his system boots but stops at 'LI'
> 
> i have heard about this before but i couldn't remember what it means...
> 
> please remind me how painfully sad my memory is...
> 
> later
> marty
> 
> "I can't buy what I want because it's free. Can't be what they want
> because I'm me." - Corduroy, Pearl Jam
> 
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Did he install a new kernel and forget to run lilo to update the boot
record?


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Re: [SLUG] LILO

This occurs for lots of reasons.
If your disk configuration has changed enough it will occur
eg. the settings in your bios have changed

you just need to run lilo again to set things straight again, 
you may need a emergency recovery disk or a single disk dist.

Dean

marty wrote:
> 
> a friend just rang me up, his system boots but stops at 'LI'
> 
> i have heard about this before but i couldn't remember what it means...
> 
> please remind me how painfully sad my memory is...
> 
> later
> marty
> 
> "I can't buy what I want because it's free. Can't be what they want
> because I'm me." - Corduroy, Pearl Jam
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Re: [SLUG] LILO

2000-09-14 Thread Conrad Parker


On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 10:01:58AM +1100, marty wrote:
> 
> a friend just rang me up, his system boots but stops at 'LI'
> 
> i have heard about this before but i couldn't remember what it means...
> 
> please remind me how painfully sad my memory is...

$ grep -A3 "LI " /usr/doc/lilo-*/README

usually a problem with older drives that need 'linear' set, IIRC

Conrad.


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RE: [SLUG] LILO

2000-09-14 Thread David Kempe


try googling :)
this may be helpful too.

http://newton.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/doc/support-db/sdb_e/kgw_lilo_errms
g.html

and i'd also suggest geometry mismatch :)

dave

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> marty
> Sent: Friday, 15 September 2000 9:02 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [SLUG] LILO
>
>
>
> a friend just rang me up, his system boots but stops at 'LI'
>
> i have heard about this before but i couldn't remember what it means...
>
> please remind me how painfully sad my memory is...
>
> later
> marty
>
> "I can't buy what I want because it's free. Can't be what they want
> because I'm me." - Corduroy, Pearl Jam
>
>
>
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Re: [SLUG] No remote printing

2000-09-14 Thread Grahame M. Kelly


On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, you wrote:

If you look at thw www.suse.com 6.4 support/updates you will see you
need to de-grade back one to an older lpr-old rpm, or alternatively
get the newer 7.0 version.

Cheers, Grahame

> I have two SuSE 6.4 machines,
> marge: no printer
> monty: nice brother laser
>  and I want marge to print to the printer on monty, but I cannot get it
> working.
> I have set the remote que on marge as:
> lp|remote printer on monty:\
> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
> :rm=monty.private.emseng.com.au:\
> :rp=lp:\
> :bk:sh:mx#0:
> and the hosts.lpd on monty as:
> #
> # hosts.lpd This file describes the names of the hosts which are
> #   to be considered "equivalent", i.e. which are to be
> #   trusted enough for allowing remote lpr(1) commands.
> #
> # hostname
> marge.private.emseng.com.au
> 
> The relevant printcap entry on monty is:
> lp|lp2|ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300|ljet4 a4 auto mono 300:\
> :lp=/dev/lp0:\
> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300:\
> :lf=/var/spool/lpd/ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300/log:\
> :af=/var/spool/lpd/ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300/acct:\
> :if=/var/lib/apsfilter/bin/ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300:\
> :la@:mx#0:\
> :tr=:cl:sh:sf:
> 
> 
> and the message I get on marge from lpq is:
> marge: waiting for queue to be enabled on monty.private.emseng.com.au
> Rank   Owner  Job  Files Total Size
> 1stkylie  1(standard input)  210945 bytes
> 
> I don't really know where to go from here. I tried running lpd on monty with
> the -l option, but I can't find the log files.
> 
> 
> Any hints?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Erich Schulz
> Instrumental Technologies
> PO Box 6028, Lake Munmorah, NSW 2259
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> 
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RE: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


> When looking for information on Windows, this URL is your friend
> http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp
> 

Thanks john, i finally found out late last night how to do it on win98,
thanks for the tip on NT though,i hadn't found the way yet.

BTW why would you have differnet mtu settings for remote and local packets
?



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[SLUG] LILO

2000-09-14 Thread marty



a friend just rang me up, his system boots but stops at 'LI'

i have heard about this before but i couldn't remember what it means...

please remind me how painfully sad my memory is...

later
marty

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Re: [SLUG] Re: MTU and flamebait


> get the later rp-pppoe. it has a "-m" option to clamp outgoing
> mtu's. use it, it works.
> 
> (before you do, ring up adsl tech support and try and get them to say
> "yes, its a bug. yes, we intend to fix it by this date")

I did one better. I rang them and told them that http was really slow, and
that i couldn;t find a problem at my end, and that it might be a problem
with there tranparent proxy.

The guy logged a fault for me, and after i got off the phone the penny
fropped, and i went and changed the mtu on the machiens,a nd hey presto.

oops :)

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RE: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


From: Jason Rennie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>Hi all,
>
>Due to some odd behavior with my adsl link,
>
>How do i set the mtu on network interfaces under win95 and winnt ?
>
>It was easy enough on linux, but windows is a mystery.
>
>Anybody know ?

When looking for information on Windows, this URL is your friend
http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp


To answer your question:

On NT/2000 (Q120620,
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q120/6/42.asp)

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\\Parameters\Tcpip

Create a REG_DWORD called 'MTU' with the value of the MTU.
Create a REG_DWORD called 'RouterMTU' with the MTU for non local packets.

On 9x/Me (Q158474
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q158/4/74.asp)

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\netTrans\

Create a REG_SZ (string) called 'MaxMTU' with the value of the MTU.

Naturally, the resultant MTU for both the above systems will be the minimum
of the discoverd MTU (using path MTU discovery) and the MTU specified.

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Re: [SLUG] Re: MTU and flamebait

2000-09-14 Thread enterfornone


On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 07:45:34AM +1100, Angus Lees wrote:
> 
> (before you do, ring up adsl tech support and try and get them to say
> "yes, its a bug. yes, we intend to fix it by this date")

is there a prize for the first to get them to do it?

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Re: [SLUG] final shutdown

Is it an ATX motherboard or an older AT mobo?  Does it power down under
Windows do you know?  Do you have APM configured into the kernel (it
should be config'd in by default in RH).  Are you running the apmd daemon?

OK, there's some things to check.

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Richard Blackburn wrote:

> My RH install won't do the final shutdown routine that turns off the
> machine. It stops at 'power down'. What do I add and where?
> Thanks
> Richard
> 
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[SLUG] RAID and crash recovery

2000-09-14 Thread David Kempe


Hey Sluggers,
After sharing the spirit and watching that little gas flame go by and some
cool police Harleys, thought I might ask this question that has been buggin
me.

When using a hardware RAID 1 does it make alot of sense to mirror the /boot
partition? I have got all the other partitions mirrored but not /boot and
another one that doesnt matter (/dos). In linux how does crash recovery get
affected if the disk with the /boot dies? Can't i just boot off a floppy
disk and get the system back up and running? How is the boot process
affected if say one of the disks isnt there anymore?

Thanks,

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Re: [SLUG] No remote printing


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> and the message I get on marge from lpq is:
> marge: waiting for queue to be enabled on monty.private.emseng.com.au

try "enable"ing the queue = enable lp

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[SLUG] No remote printing


Hi all:

I have two SuSE 6.4 machines,
marge: no printer
monty: nice brother laser
 and I want marge to print to the printer on monty, but I cannot get it
working.
I have set the remote que on marge as:
lp|remote printer on monty:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
:rm=monty.private.emseng.com.au:\
:rp=lp:\
:bk:sh:mx#0:
and the hosts.lpd on monty as:
#
# hosts.lpd This file describes the names of the hosts which are
#   to be considered "equivalent", i.e. which are to be
#   trusted enough for allowing remote lpr(1) commands.
#
# hostname
marge.private.emseng.com.au

The relevant printcap entry on monty is:
lp|lp2|ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300|ljet4 a4 auto mono 300:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300/acct:\
:if=/var/lib/apsfilter/bin/ljet4-a4-auto-mono-300:\
:la@:mx#0:\
:tr=:cl:sh:sf:


and the message I get on marge from lpq is:
marge: waiting for queue to be enabled on monty.private.emseng.com.au
Rank   Owner  Job  Files Total Size
1stkylie  1(standard input)  210945 bytes

I don't really know where to go from here. I tried running lpd on monty with
the -l option, but I can't find the log files.


Any hints?

Cheers


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[SLUG] Re: Re: Basic CVS Usage

On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 11:46:18PM +1100, Jason Stokes wrote:
> > Those misguided people complaining about Info format should type C-h i h 
> > in Emacs (I was going to say start Emacs first, but you all run Emacs
> > already, right? :) and work through the tutorial and learn to use it
> > and to love it.  
> 
> Fortunately I'm completely immune to "macho techy" syndrome, and if
> I find something difficult and hard to understand I'm not afraid to
> say it.

why don't you just fix it, then - instead of whining?

it certainly wouldn't be hard to change the text of an error message.

or do you think its someone else's responsibility to fix your problems
with a piece of useful software they gave you for free?

> I will only note that the standard Unix-style "info" hypertext
> documentation browser, with its plain-text appearance and keyboard
> browsing commands pales dramatically compared with the point and
> click world-wide web -- a tool even geeks have been known to use
> quite effectively, without any complaints that it should be made
> harder to use.

don't bag something you obviously haven't used.

in xemacs i can certainly point and click on info hyperlinks. i
believe standard emacs also lets you do this(?).

tkinfo is a stand alone tool that incorporates *many* gui features.

there's even info2html.cgi if you believe that everything seen through
a web browser is automatically easier to use.

"the web" is an interface, not a format (fool).

info documents can also be printed as very useful (and not
unattractive) books. you can buy several books from FSF, which are
simply the printed {emacs,gdb,make,etc} info pages.

web pages suck majorly when printed.

> How much time is spent dealing with the accidental complexity of
> tools like "Make", with its bizarre syntax and (in the case of
> recursive makefiles) impossible to follow recursive behaviour,
> instead of working on actual problems?

then don't use make. there's plenty of other dependency tools around
("cook" being one i particularly like).

hey, you could even do it with a shell script if you don't like the
complexity of having another tool do the hard work for you..

> It's not like people haven't realized this.  The "software capentry"
> project is one attempt to reduce such problems -- on the agenda is
> an easier to use replacement for "Make".

which is going to be so very useful, when the next python license
turns out to be incompatible with the GPL.. (see license for python
1.6) [insert anti- python / commercially sponsored competitions
bigotry here]

there are already several replacements for make. i can think of 4 or
so, without even looking. yet another will really improve *my* quality
of life. how far did *you* look?

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[SLUG] Re: MTU and flamebait

On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 10:38:40PM +1100, Jason Rennie wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Due to some odd behavior with my adsl link,
> 
> How do i set the mtu on network interfaces under win95 and winnt ?
> 
> It was easy enough on linux, but windows is a mystery.
> 
> Anybody know ?

get the later rp-pppoe. it has a "-m" option to clamp outgoing
mtu's. use it, it works.

(before you do, ring up adsl tech support and try and get them to say
"yes, its a bug. yes, we intend to fix it by this date")

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[SLUG] final shutdown

2000-09-14 Thread Richard Blackburn


My RH install won't do the final shutdown routine that turns off the
machine. It stops at 'power down'. What do I add and where?
Thanks
Richard


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Re: [SLUG] Re: Singers Wanted (Seriously)

2000-09-14 Thread Tom Massey


Jeff Waugh wrote:

> Poetry != Rhyme. Sue me.

Yes, but if (poetry = good) {
  angst;
  never return;
}
elsif (poetry = bad) {
  giggle = hysterically;
  return you crazy bastard, have you never heard of Derrida?;
}
elsif (poetry = by_jeff) {
  snort;
  snort_more;
  snort_aardvarks;
  join_his_crazy_band;
  wonder_why;
  return all the essays I should have done this semester, because I
don't knowwhere they've got to;
}

Count me in anyway, I'll even bring my own guitar.

Tom (who forget how to program, even in parody, shortly after they burnt
his QuickBASIC manual :-)


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Re: [SLUG] Re: Singers Wanted (Seriously)


> Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
>   The RIAA
>   Have the Boardroom in court
>   You can hang out with all the boys


Poetry != Rhyme. Sue me.

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Re: [SLUG] Re: Singers Wanted (Seriously)

> Stuart Cooper wrote:
> 
> (based on a modal Bulgarian dance tune in the key of 7/4; this is
> certainly a song to appeal to the intellect and not to the ears)

> "The Girl from Ipanema"

> to infuriate his sister

> "Addicted to vi" after Robert Palmer
> "The GDB song" after Do-Re-Mi from the Sound of Music

*wipes tear of laughter from eye*

Thanks Stuart - many giggles here.

> They have everything
> For Young Men to enjoy
> You can hang out with all the boys

Perhaps:

  The RIAA
  Have the Boardroom in court
  You can hang out with all the boys

I love the idea - definitely one for the repertoire. I'm not really sure of
our good conductor's attitude to The Village People. Adrian?

I might have to make another mailing list for this. Come on SLUGgers! Come
aboard - you know you want to! :)

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[SLUG] Make Rules


I'm trying to make bttv, but the make returns and error message of

no /usr/src/linux/Rules.make.

I'm on a SUSE 6.4 and can not FIND any Rule.* file.

Does anyone have any ideas on how I get around this?

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Re: [SLUG] Re: Basic CVS Usage

2000-09-14 Thread Jason Stokes

Stuart Cooper wrote:
> 
>> -P prunes empty directories. The warning you get is warning you that the
>> file is currently being removed as part of the update.
> 
>I see.  Thanks.  I can see how I'd draw that conclusion, because it's
>perfectly clear from the oh-so-instructive warning message
> 
>I'll spare you my "software for geeks" rant.
> 
> Wise move. As a development tool, CVS is supposed to be for geeks.

My point being only geeks put up with confusing and obscure error
messages when a lesser mortal would have given up in frustration.  Geeks
are used to learning complicated and difficult to learn tools.  Ordinary
users want the computer to meet them halfway.  That's not so bad when
geeks write software for geeks.  But when geeks write software for
humans, suddenly they discover that not everyone is prepared to put up
with poorly designed user interfaces.  Humans demand something better. 
For their part, geeks also have an interest in better designed tools. 
How much time is spent dealing with the accidental complexity of tools
like "Make", with its bizarre syntax and (in the case of recursive
makefiles) impossible to follow recursive behaviour, instead of working
on actual problems?  Too much.  It's not like people haven't realized
this.  The "software capentry" project is one attempt to reduce such
problems -- on the agenda is an easier to use replacement for "Make".

> Those misguided people complaining about Info format should type C-h i h 
> in Emacs (I was going to say start Emacs first, but you all run Emacs
> already, right? :) and work through the tutorial and learn to use it
> and to love it.  

Fortunately I'm completely immune to "macho techy" syndrome, and if I
find something difficult and hard to understand I'm not afraid to say
it.  I will only note that the standard Unix-style "info" hypertext
documentation browser, with its plain-text appearance and keyboard
browsing commands pales dramatically compared with the point and click
world-wide web -- a tool even geeks have been known to use quite
effectively, without any complaints that it should be made harder to
use.

Stuart Cooper wrote:
> 
>> -P prunes empty directories. The warning you get is warning you that the
>> file is currently being removed as part of the update.
> 
>I see.  Thanks.  I can see how I'd draw that conclusion, because it's
>perfectly clear from the oh-so-instructive warning message
> 
>I'll spare you my "software for geeks" rant.
> 
> Wise move. As a development tool, CVS is supposed to be for geeks.

My point being only geeks put up with confusing and obscure error
messages when a lesser mortal would have given up in frustration.  Geeks
are used to learning complicated and difficult to learn tools.  Ordinary
users want the computer to meet them halfway.  That's not so bad when
geeks write software for geeks.  But when geeks write software for
humans, suddenly they discover that not everyone is prepared to put up
with poorly designed user interfaces.  Humans demand something better. 
For their part, geeks also have an interest in better designed tools. 
How much time is spent dealing with the accidental complexity of tools
like "Make", with its bizarre syntax and (in the case of recursive
makefiles) impossible to follow recursive behaviour, instead of working
on actual problems?  Too much.  It's not like people haven't realized
this.  The "software capentry" project is one attempt to reduce such
problems -- on the agenda is an easier to use replacement for "Make".

> Those misguided people complaining about Info format should type C-h i h 
> in Emacs (I was going to say start Emacs first, but you all run Emacs
> already, right? :) and work through the tutorial and learn to use it
> and to love it.  

Fortunately I'm completely immune to "macho techy" syndrome, and if I
find something difficult and hard to understand I'm not afraid to say
it.  I will only note that the standard Unix-style "info" hypertext
documentation browser, with its plain-text appearance and keyboard
browsing commands pales dramatically compared with the point and click
world-wide web -- a tool even geeks have been known to use quite
effectively, without any complaints that it should be made harder to
use.

Re: [SLUG] Broken sshd problem

When you say telnet, I assume you mean the default port 23 which is not
ssh.  There is no reason why that shouldn't work if you have a telnet
daemon running on the other end.  You would also be able to telnet to port
22 (ssh), but you wouldn't get anywhere cos you wouldn't be able to do the
encryption and handshaking.

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> > Is the sshd at bloodgod set to accept passwords?  It may only be
> > configured to do RSA authentication.
> 
> Like this right ?
> 
> # To disable tunneled clear text passwords, change to no here!
> PasswordAuthentication yes 
> PermitEmptyPasswords no
> # Uncomment to disable s/key passwords
> #SkeyAuthentication no
> 
> So i guess yes, password authentication works.
> 
> Telnet also works fine, i would have thought if login was somehow broken
> telnet would fail.
> 
> Jason
> 
> 

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> Is the sshd at bloodgod set to accept passwords?  It may only be
> configured to do RSA authentication.

Like this right ?

# To disable tunneled clear text passwords, change to no here!
PasswordAuthentication yes 
PermitEmptyPasswords no
# Uncomment to disable s/key passwords
#SkeyAuthentication no

So i guess yes, password authentication works.

Telnet also works fine, i would have thought if login was somehow broken
telnet would fail.

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Re: [SLUG] More Email Questions

2000-09-14 Thread Jeffrey Borg




On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Ken Yap wrote:

> >Hi again,
> >
> >well i got the mail server to work without the help of bigpond
> >(hurrah) just one concern of mine.
> >
> >How does one check if there mail server is an open relay ??
> 
> There is the simple method of telnetting from outside, but be aware that
> there is more than one way to relay, spammers have used holes such as
> the % or ! interpretations in paths and it's not obvious that the mail
> has been relayed until later. To be really sure request a check by a RBL
> site, such as www.mail-abuse.org.
> 
get onto box u want to check
telnet mail-abuse.org

it will attempt to relay back into the ip you telnet to it from :-)





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Re: [SLUG] www.redhat.com


> Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> Correlate:
> 
>  * RedHat 7 Betas...
> 
>  * RedHat website turns to default start page...
> 
> Gotta love those non-interactive RPM updates. :)


http://advogato.org/person/Bryce/diary.html?start=163

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Re: [SLUG] Broken sshd problem


Is the sshd at bloodgod set to accept passwords?  It may only be
configured to do RSA authentication.

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On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jason Rennie wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I set up ssh on a friends machine, and for reasons unknown it is now
> broken.
> 
> when you login, using verbose mode you get the following
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: 
> debug: Requesting compression at level 6.
> debug: Enabling compression at level 6.
> debug: Requesting pty.
> debug: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
> debug: Requesting shell.
> debug: Entering interactive session.
> usage: login [-p] [name]
>login [-p] [-h host] [-f name]
>login [-p] -r host
> Connection to bloodgod.dhs.org closed.
> debug: Transferred: stdin 0, stdout 92, stderr 40 bytes in 0.3 seconds
> debug: Bytes per second: stdin 0.0, stdout 270.5, stderr 117.6
> debug: Exit status 1
> debug: compress outgoing: raw data 200, compressed 200, factor 1.00
> debug: compress incoming: raw data 104, compressed 72, factor 0.69
> 
> Well, this is the relevant bit any way. Why would we be getting a login
> error. I checked in /etc/pam.d/sshd and /etc/ssh
> 
> Jason
> 
> 



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Re: [SLUG] More Email Questions

2000-09-14 Thread Ken Yap


>Hi again,
>
>well i got the mail server to work without the help of bigpond
>(hurrah) just one concern of mine.
>
>How does one check if there mail server is an open relay ??

There is the simple method of telnetting from outside, but be aware that
there is more than one way to relay, spammers have used holes such as
the % or ! interpretations in paths and it's not obvious that the mail
has been relayed until later. To be really sure request a check by a RBL
site, such as www.mail-abuse.org.


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Re: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait

2000-09-14 Thread John Ferlito


On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 11:22:10PM +1100, Jason Rennie wrote:
> > No, i've not tried it - In all honesty, i had no fscking clue
> > what an MTU was, so, i wandered off to whatis.com found out, and
> > noticed the links at the bottom...
> 
> This seems to be the crux of the problem. All of the utilities i've found
> want to change the dial-up-adapters mtu, not the mtu on the network card.
> 
> Stupid winblows and different networking for ppp and ethernet.

Can't you change it under network properties and then clicking on
properties for the NIC?

> 
> Jason
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Re: [SLUG] MTU and flamebait


> No, i've not tried it - In all honesty, i had no fscking clue
> what an MTU was, so, i wandered off to whatis.com found out, and
> noticed the links at the bottom...

This seems to be the crux of the problem. All of the utilities i've found
want to change the dial-up-adapters mtu, not the mtu on the network card.

Stupid winblows and different networking for ppp and ethernet.

Jason

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