[SLUG] Apache compilation problem under Redhat 7

[Sonam Chauhan]

Hi Sluggers: 

I've built Apache 1.3.9 many times before but now it's failing on a 
brand new Redhat 7 install (Linux 2.2.16-22 ). 
Does anyone have any pointers?

It seeme to be a problem with the new compiler support.

I've use the following flags with apache's configure:
   ./configure --enable-shared=max--enable-module=most 
   
Running 'make' generates the following failure message:
--SNIP--
...
gcc -c  -I../../os/unix -I../../include   -DLINUX=2 -DNO_DBM_REWRITEMAP
-DUSE_HS
REGEX -DUSE_EXPAT -I../../lib/expat-lite `../../apaci` -fpic
-DSHARED_MODULE mod
_auth_anon.c && mv mod_auth_anon.o mod_auth_anon.lo
gcc -shared -o mod_auth_anon.so mod_auth_anon.lo
gcc -c  -I../../os/unix -I../../include   -DLINUX=2 -DNO_DBM_REWRITEMAP
-DUSE_HS
REGEX -DUSE_EXPAT -I../../lib/expat-lite `../../apaci` -fpic
-DSHARED_MODULE mod
_auth_dbm.c && mv mod_auth_dbm.o mod_auth_dbm.lo
In file included from mod_auth_dbm.c:79:
/usr/include/db1/ndbm.h:42:16: db.h: No such file or directory
make[4]: *** [mod_auth_dbm.so] Error 1
make[3]: *** [all] Error 1
make[2]: *** [subdirs] Error 1
--SNIP--

Comment: 
=
ndbm.h and db.h both exist in /usr/include/db1/
/usr/include no longer contains db.h as in Redhat 6.1.

Copying db.h from another 6.1 install to /usr/lib/include
on the redhat 7 machine still fails (risky idea anyway)

Anyone experience something similar? Pointers appreciated.

Regards,
Sonam

P.S: 
The gcc version reported by Redhat 7:
 gcc version 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 7.0)  
GNU's take on this: http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html


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Re: [SLUG] [IMP] Meeting, Monday 22nd January -> YOUR LUG NEEDS YOU!

[tom burkart]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> It seems that no one is interested in having a SLUG meeting on the 22nd, to
> which we could invite many of our overseas and local speakers... Could this
Hey, that means I can actually come!

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Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty

[Ken Yap]

|Kinda like that crazy Linus guy!

Yes, but remember at first he wanted to call it Freax until his friend
disuaded him. What this says about what he thought of himself then you
can conjecture. :-)

Ok, maybe this thread is starting to stray.


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RE: [SLUG] sendmai not sending mail but erroring with "load average" errors. .

[Peter Worboys]

Snip for a DG/UX man page on their implementation of sendmail.

The sendmail program divides the value of the factor
you specify by the difference between the current load
average and the load average limit to determine the
maximum  message priority of messages to be sent immediately.

When the resulting quotient is less than the priority of
the message, the job is queued rather than run immediately.




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Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty

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- Original Message -
From: "Ken Yap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Sydney Linux Users Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty


> |i came to think that peraps m stands for MIT, or alt. someones name
> |like Michael etc.
>
> Not MIT, the author was a German, Gert Doering. His name, possibly, but
> it would have to be a middle initial or his mother's name or maybe even
> his site muc.de. People do name things that could possibly be a
> references to themselves, kind of a sly attempt at immortality. The
> French discover of gallium said that he named it after France (Gaul),
> but his name was LeCoq (Gallus) so it's suspected he wanted to sneak his
> name into the periodic table.

Why are we still arguing over this?  the m stands for Modem, just like how
the v in vgetty stands for voice (vgetty is from the mgetty package).
mgetty is a modem specific getty.  'nuff said.
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Re: [SLUG] Sendmail store?B

[John Clarke]

On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 12:11:47PM +1100, Rodos wrote:

> > Another way to do it would be to configure it as a virtual domain on
> > the colo box, delivering all mail for your domain to a single mailbox,
> > but insert a header with the envelope details into each message to
> 
> This seams like bit to much of a cludge and I want to avoid the fetchmail
> approach if I can.

Virtual domain hosting itslef isn't a kludge.  Inserting a header with
the envelope address via procmail is a kludge though, but it does work.
The onl real problem is the multiple message when there's more than one
recipient in your domain.

> This http://people.freebsd.org/~nsayer/dynamicmx.html page describes using
> ssh to get one sendmail to deliver mail to another.

This looks pretty easy to setup, although it still relies on a dynamic dns
service.  I wonder if there's a way to do it so that you can use it without
dynamic dns ...

> There is an RFC to solve this exact problem, RFC2645 which is at
[snip]
> There is an implimation of ODMR for linux called InfintyMail
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/infinymail/ . The home page does not
> respond at the moment but the sourceforge pages and the source is
> available.

The cvs repository is empty and the source is only available as an rpm.
Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.


Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools

[Heracles]

"JZ John Zantey ( 3470)" wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I agree,
> I think it is a per-school thing,



> I suppose we were fortunate enough to have a teacher who was doing some sort
> of phD in Computing at uni and he loved sharing his study/work with us
> little yr 9, 10, 11 and 12 students...

You have been very lucky. Not a lot of skilled IT professionals
want to teach in schools. Where else could they get $35k p.a. to
start with only a BSc and a DipEd and work their way up to $54k
p.a. after only 10 years of experience. The minor hassles of
having their cars, clothes and houses damaged, being denegrated by
their employer, their students and the general public, being
intimidated and threatened by students and parents etc.

I can't possibly imagine why we cant get good quality IT
professionals into the teaching profession


The TILT courses (which are offered to 30% of teachers) are a very
basic start where (in most instances) due to lack of funding the
Dept help teachers become computer literate by giving them a CDROM
to learn from. 

While the Government thinks that all you need to do to get you
average teacher (many of whom have degrees in Education or
English/History/Psychology and have NEVER had any significant
training in the use of computers) to instill computer literacy in
students is to test it in grade 6 what can we expect?

Stay well and happy
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RE: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty

[David Kempe]

> > |i came to think that peraps m stands for MIT, or alt. someones name
> > |like Michael etc.
> >
> > Not MIT, the author was a German, Gert Doering. His name, possibly, but
> > it would have to be a middle initial or his mother's name or maybe even
> > his site muc.de. People do name things that could possibly be a
> > references to themselves, kind of a sly attempt at immortality. The
> > French discover of gallium said that he named it after France (Gaul),
> > but his name was LeCoq (Gallus) so it's suspected he wanted to sneak his
> > name into the periodic table.

Kinda like that crazy Linus guy!

dave



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Re: web proxy & filtering, was [SLUG] Re: Telstra

[chesty]

On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 03:38:15PM +1100, Richard Gooch wrote:
> I've already set cache_mem to 2 MB. Despite this, it's using 23 MB.

Read chapter 8 of the FAQ for details, but..

Some memory is used for metadata, the bigger your disk cache, the more 
objects you have in your cache, the more memory its going to use.

Basically, it says to reduce memory usage:
reduce cache_mem
turn memory_pools off
reduce cache_swap
reduce maximum_object_size

My setup is fairly standard, I think.
I've got a cache_mem of 8
memory_pools on
cache_dir 100M
maximum_object_size 1000KB

squid is using 8 megs at the moment.

> It has the advantage of allowing me to use the same proxy software at
> work and home, and to copy (with minor tweaks) the config files.

I like the idea of using popular software, even if it is an overkill
for home use, to gain extra experience that might come in handy one day
in a job interview.

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Re: web proxy & filtering, was [SLUG] Re: Telstra

[Dean Hamstead]

Im pretty sure squid will use more memory if it has too
i recall reading something to that effect when configuring
PCC's proxy cluster.

Squids FAQ is pretty ace ;)

Dean


>> 
>>> Squid.
>> 
>> That would explain trhe delay - swapping. I think squid designed
>> more for using lots of memory, and many users. But check the manual
>> - you can probably change the config to use less memory.
> 
> 
> I've already set cache_mem to 2 MB. Despite this, it's using 23 MB.
> 
> 
>>   Has anybody compared different web proxy filters lately? Does squid
>> have any advantages for home/single-user use?
> 
> 
> It has the advantage of allowing me to use the same proxy software at
> work and home, and to copy (with minor tweaks) the config files.
> 
> 
>>> The proxy is on my router/firewall. It doesn't get logged into, let
>>> alone run X!
>> 
>> Then 16MB ought to be plenty. You dont need ram to cach web pages.
> 
> 
> So I thought. But it's chewing up a fair bit.
> 
>   Regards,
> 
>   Richard
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Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty

[Dean Hamstead]

someone could just email him and ask =)
since he still maintains mgetty i can only assume hes alive

Dean

Ken Yap wrote:

> |i came to think that peraps m stands for MIT, or alt. someones name
> |like Michael etc.
> 
> Not MIT, the author was a German, Gert Doering. His name, possibly, but
> it would have to be a middle initial or his mother's name or maybe even
> his site muc.de. People do name things that could possibly be a
> references to themselves, kind of a sly attempt at immortality. The
> French discover of gallium said that he named it after France (Gaul),
> but his name was LeCoq (Gallus) so it's suspected he wanted to sneak his
> name into the periodic table.



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[SLUG] EsD and Mp3 players.

[Steven downing]

I'm getting 'choppy' mp3 playback under both Freeamp and XMMS when I
point their output to EsD.  And big bass kind of sounds turn into fuzz.  If I kill off
esd and point them at the OSS output they run fine.  As does the command
line driven mp3blaster.  The documentation for esd offered no clues, neither
did googling, so over to you guys for the cluesticks. That is if you aren't all
at linux.conf  From memory it had been working before, but when I realised
it was broken I had more important things to be doing, and now i forget what
might have b0rken it.

Setup: Debian Potato, Soundblaster PCI 128 (ES1371 driver), Kernel 2.4test7,
EsD 2.08, AMD k6II w/ 128ram

TIA and salute to all the faithful in town for the conference


Steve

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Re: [SLUG] Sendmail store?B

[Rodos]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, John Clarke wrote:

> You could consider a dynamic dns service, if your local box is online
> most of the time, and especially if the IP address changes rarely.

Yea, I thought of that but I know there has to be a better way.

> Another way to do it would be to configure it as a virtual domain on
> the colo box, delivering all mail for your domain to a single mailbox,
> but insert a header with the envelope details into each message to

This seams like bit to much of a cludge and I want to avoid the fetchmail
approach if I can.

> True.  Only the colo machine and your local machine need to know that
> your local machine is the primary MX though; the rest of the world can
> be told that the colo box is the primary MX.  However, I'm not
> advocating that you disobey your AUP ;-/

Now you are talking John. Yes I can set one DNS for the rest of the world
which thinks that the colo box is the only MX. Then I can tell the colo
box that its actually second with my local box as first. To avoid the AUP
I can use a encrypted tunnel to the colo box and use a private IP address.
The message hits the colo box, its stores it and then says, hey I can get
to the local machine over this route (which is encrypted and sourced from
my end, so no AUP problems). If for some reason the tunnel goes down,
there is no problem, it gets held until I start it again.  Sweet.

>
> > machine. Am I making any sense?
>
> Yes.  BTDTGTTS.
>
> > I am sure others have solved this issue.
>
> I used virtual hosting + `X-Envelope-To' header insertion through
> /etc/procmailrc.  Email me if you want the gory details.

I have found out some other alternatives as well.

This http://people.freebsd.org/~nsayer/dynamicmx.html page describes using
ssh to get one sendmail to deliver mail to another.

There is an RFC to solve this exact problem, RFC2645 which is at
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2645.html . The abstract says

With the spread of low-cost computer systems and Internet
connectivity, the demand for local mail servers has been rising.  Many
people now want to operate a mail server on a system which has only an
intermittent connection to a service provider.  If the system has a
static IP address, the ESMTP ETRN command [ETRN] can be used.
However, systems with dynamic IP addresses (which are very common with
low-cost connections) have no widely-deployed solution.

This memo proposes a new service, On-Demand Mail Relay (ODMR), which
is a profile of SMTP [SMTP, ESMTP], providing for a secure,
extensible, easy to implement approach to the problem.

There is an implimation of ODMR for linux called InfintyMail
http://sourceforge.net/projects/infinymail/ . The home page does not
respond at the moment but the sourceforge pages and the source is
available.

Of course another alternative is UUCP which has been around and working
for years.

Well a few solutions, when I implement something I will report back as to
what I get working.

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[SLUG] Cyclades Ze expander stuff for sale

[David Ryan]

G'day Folks,
we have 4 x 16 port Cyclades Ze serial expanders and a Ze Host card
(controls 64 ports) for sale. We are looking at 0.5 x current retail
price.

Anyone interested?

Davo.


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[SLUG] XFree 4 on a Toshiba laptop

[Howard Lowndes]

Has anyone got XFree 4 running on a Toshiba laptop (Satellite Pro 430 CDS - yes
an old one but a good one now that I have beefed it up a bit).  Mine has the C&T
65550 chip
(I think) but it complains that it cannot find the v4l module.  It isn't in the
RH7.0 distro, but I don't see why it should complain about it anyway as I
believe that it is a Video for Linux thingy.  Even if I comment out the v4l
module bit from the XF86Config file it still doesn't like it.

Howard.

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Re: web proxy & filtering, was [SLUG] Re: Telstra

[Heracles]

Richard Gooch wrote:

> > > RAM, but 72 pin SIMMs are expensive these days because they're not
> > > commodity :-(
> > > If anyone knows a cheap source, please let me know.
> >
> > Got any spare slots? I have some 4MB SIMs.
> 
> They're all filled (4x 4 MiB).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Richard

I bought 2 X 16Mb 72 pin full parity (the type with the four
parity chips) simms at the North Rocks market on Sunday for $65
the pair. They work fine in my old 586. I'm not sure if this is
too expensive for them, but I did notice that PC133 RAM was
$100-$110 (depending on manufacturer) for 128 Mb from Westgate
Technology so it is a lot more expensive than the new stuff :-(

Stay well and happy
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Re: web proxy & filtering, was [SLUG] Re: Telstra

[Richard Gooch]

Mike Holland writes:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Richard Gooch wrote:
> 
> > Squid.
> 
> That would explain trhe delay - swapping. I think squid designed
> more for using lots of memory, and many users. But check the manual
> - you can probably change the config to use less memory.

I've already set cache_mem to 2 MB. Despite this, it's using 23 MB.

>   Has anybody compared different web proxy filters lately? Does squid
> have any advantages for home/single-user use?

It has the advantage of allowing me to use the same proxy software at
work and home, and to copy (with minor tweaks) the config files.

> > The proxy is on my router/firewall. It doesn't get logged into, let
> > alone run X!
> 
> Then 16MB ought to be plenty. You dont need ram to cach web pages.

So I thought. But it's chewing up a fair bit.

Regards,

Richard
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RE: [SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools

[JZ John Zantey ( 3470)]

I agree,
I think it is a per-school thing, as my school at the time was teaching us
full programming structure and techniques in yr 9 and 10... along with the
WP, SS, DB, security and computer issues as part of the component
subjects... unfortunately 3u Comp St wasn't around when we got to yrs 11 and
12 then... but those students able to (lucky I was one.. phew!!) , spawned
off doing pascal and/or C/C++... I even remember logging onto those old
things called BBS's all over the country, prior to the proliferation of the
internet... 

In terms of using a computer for study, we got extra marks for submitting
non-hand-written assignments, hence encouragement to use the technology...
Our library in conjunction with our computer labs facilitated for students
to freely use the PC's (when they weren't busy) for study purposes...

I suppose we were fortunate enough to have a teacher who was doing some sort
of phD in Computing at uni and he loved sharing his study/work with us
little yr 9, 10, 11 and 12 students...

Even now, family friends kids go off in their own 'technical / computing'
ettiquette and some how stive and compete / show off their knowhow of what
they are learning to be 'elite' in front of their friends... and they range
from 11yrs old to 17yrs old...

Well, SG does seem to be doing good in terms of this issue, and I am sure as
things improve, there will be some form of 'standard' set in place to
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Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty

[Ken Yap]

|i came to think that peraps m stands for MIT, or alt. someones name
|like Michael etc.

Not MIT, the author was a German, Gert Doering. His name, possibly, but
it would have to be a middle initial or his mother's name or maybe even
his site muc.de. People do name things that could possibly be a
references to themselves, kind of a sly attempt at immortality. The
French discover of gallium said that he named it after France (Gaul),
but his name was LeCoq (Gallus) so it's suspected he wanted to sneak his
name into the periodic table.


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Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty

[Marty]

> |Are there any books or docs on the boot process?

http://www.netspace.net.au/~gok/power2bash/

there are also some good links on the LFS site:

http://lfs.mirror.aarnet.edu.au/

later
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Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty

[Dean Hamstead]

on the subject of mgetty, whilst pottering about on google
doing searches like "history of mgetty" and not finding anything

i came to think that peraps m stands for MIT, or alt. someones name
like Michael etc.

Dean




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Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty

[Ken Yap]

|I'm glad I asked the question.
|
|Are there any books or docs on the boot process? As well as i386 I use a
|mklinux computer; vmlinuz seems to be on the host system as well as
|on the linux partition; the boot process seems to metamorphose as it
|proceeds. I stand back in awe-ful admiration and wish I knew what was
|going on.  Yes, yes, I can google, but a little direction might help.
|
|Nick

Not that I'm aware of. You can pretty much derive the necessary workings
of a bootstrap loader from first principles. The main task of a
bootstrap loader is to get all the kernel's bytes into memory at the
desired addresses and then jump to the start address. The complications
are in the details. Some complications are due to the awful PC
architecture and some are inherent.

Addresses: Obviously you want the loader to be small to maximise the
memory available to load the kernel. That's why LILO uses addresses from
0x9-0x9. Unfortunately when disk-on-chip devices came out, they
decide to put some drivers there. So coders had to make a special
version of Linux that expects the kernel parameters in the 0x8
segment and use a specially configured LILO.

Disk reading: Linux drivers are not running when LILO boots so it must
rely on BIOS routines for disk reading. Unfortunately some idiot in the
past decided that 10 bits would be enough for the cylinder field in the
BIOS call, hence the infamous 1024 cylinder limit. With recent BIOSes and
LILOs extended BIOS calls are used.

Kernel parameters and environment information: The kernel needs to know
about the environment, e.g. what display is connected, and also receive
parameters from the user. The complication in the x86 PC architecture is
that BIOS calls are only available from real mode. The kernel runs in
protected mode so is not able to (easily) make BIOS calls. So a separate
code segment (setup.S) collects this information and leaves it where the
kernel can access them. However when video cards that can take away
memory from the top of the available range came out, it became necessary
to provide a loadable module (agpgart.o) that informed the kernel the
video card would be taking the top X MB of memory.

Loader format: Any format that specifies what's in memory is ok but it
should be no more complicated than needed so that the loader does not
have to do things like resolve symbols, which requires keeping a lookup
table. Since the kernel is all of one piece with no unresolved symbols,
that's no big deal. However there is the aforementioned setup segment.
x86 kernel images also have a floppy boot sector at the beginning,
originally there so that the kernel could be copied raw to floppy disk
and it would boot.  Unfortunately some pieces of information are stored
near the end of the block, e.g. root device, video mode.

Compression: Compression helps shorten loading time trading off a slight
delay at boot up while decompressing. In x86 kernel images it's done as
a small decompressor prefixed to the kernel binary.

Ramdisk: Ramdisks are extremely useful. The Linux kernel has provision
for loading ramdisks itself, which means you have to pass parameters to
tell it which device it's on and the offset on the device. It can also
expect the ramdisk to be preloaded by the loader (e.g. LILO, Etherboot)
and then you have to tell the kernel where in memory it is.

Network loading: Network loading introduces another limitation and that
is there is no random access device to seek on, the image comes as a
stream of bytes. This means that the loader format should have
sufficient information (usually a roadmap at the beginning of the image)
to guide the loading of the rest of the image.

Booting from other operating systems: Loadlin loads the kernel image
from DOS and non-PM Windows. It has to undo a lot of the setup that
Windows does, e.g. flush caches, unload memory managers, before it can
load Linux. Again, it has to move itself out of the main memory area
where Linux will be loaded. For implementation reasons, loadlin
simulates the effect of setup.S and doesn't actually run it.

CPU architecture: Fortunately not all CPUs require such ugliness.
Others don't have the real/protected segmented/flat mode braindamage.
(The 8086 architect should be whipped with lots of Thai chilli noodles.)
On some CPUs it's actually so straightforward that you wonder why all
the drama with the x86 is needed.

Linux BIOS: There is a project to run Linux directly after booting. Just
load the kernel, go straight into protected mode, jump into Linux and
let it initialise all the hardware. It can boot Linux really fast,
currently you often see the BIOS take longer to initialise hardware than
Linux takes to boot.  One drawback is that you need the cöoperation of
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Re: [SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools

[Howard Lowndes]

I have just had a brief sojourn in Singapore and have had the opportunity to see
the SG education system at work.  They really get max utilisation out of their
schools.  You child is allocated to either morning school (7:30 to 13:00) or
afternoon school (13:00 to 18:30).  The thing that amazed me is the standard of
education.  I was watching two sisters (daughters of a friend) aged 10 & 12
doing their computer assignments and their knowledge of presentation,
spreadsheets, etc was outstanding, and this was being done in Tamil as well as
in English.  They have not yet started on Malay or Hokkien, the other languages
in SG.

I tell you AU just doesn't hold a candle to SG.

[OK, so I am getting OT]

Quoting David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> I believe groups such as SLUG owe it to the community to make political
> stands on computer literacy. 
> 
> For some reason, Australian politicians have NO idea about the need for
> serious computer studies. My 17 year old son spent one whole year doing
> computer studies and came out not knowing how to create a web page (even
> using WYSIWYG editors) or understanding spreadsheeting, or even how to
> use
> the 'net for research. How far behind are we going to get? He got some
> obscure theory and that was it.
> 
> This is not about pushing Linux, but it is about the future of the lucky
> country - nothing less.
> 
> The state government, as I understand it from radio reports, is running
> a
> PILOT program on computer literacy - my god! where have they been the
> last
> ten years?
> 
> Meantime, I heard recently that UNSW is discarding plans to run on-line
> teaching. (hearsay - I hope I'm wrong), and downsizing it's in-house
> staff
> computer training (again hearsay, but I'm told they think it isn't
> necessary).
> 
> I know this is not a political list, but sometimes I think community
> groups have obligations to do some arse-kicking.
> 
> 
> 
> David.
> 
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Interesting article in today's Sydney Morning Herald;
> > 
> > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0101/15/national/national14.h
> > tml
> > 
> > Now, boys and girls, can anyone tell me WHAT they will 
> > be tested on ?  Anyone ???
> > 
> > I feel a Ministerial Letter coming on...:-)
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > It is irresponsible to connect a Windows machine to the 
> > Internet...
> >  ...John 
> > Wiltshire - SLUG 1999
> > 
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Re: [SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools

[Dean Hamstead]

I think its a very per-school thing.
Having just finished high school i though comput*ing* studies
(which is now a string of other subjects) was reasonable.
The subject studies computing, and as such you learn pseudo-code
flow charts, you also learn elementry stuff about error checking
and correction.

in 9 - 10 we "learned" basic then pascal (but who didnt start
using basic when they were like 7)

i did 3u computers. 3u computers wasnt much of a step from 2u
just add in railroad charts and the 5 langauge generations and
your on to your HSC.

My 2u teacher was (is) a Netware nut. He also *loves* HP.
Fortunately he can back it up with a damn good knowledge of
computers and yes we did get him to try linux *grin*
(but when you get netware free anyway)

My 3u teacher was an AI programmer and wrote M_Bank (something
like that) which is a add on thingy for ms word. Which makes
generating exams, and exam result sheets stupidly easy (the
good bit was the highly accurate diagrams built from the question
data)

He didnt give a stuff about OS's and stuff. He just *really*
knew how to program and let us use whaever we wanted for our
major's.

I used pascal cos im lazy (i thought about perl, in retrospect
java wouldnt have been a bad option) others used delphi, c (on
beos) and vb.

My high school was pretty good in the computers dept., which
is good for a selective school. Unfortunately a teachers wage
isnt as good as your average IT job =(

Dean

David wrote:

> I believe groups such as SLUG owe it to the community to make political
> stands on computer literacy. 
> 
> For some reason, Australian politicians have NO idea about the need for
> serious computer studies. My 17 year old son spent one whole year doing
> computer studies and came out not knowing how to create a web page (even
> using WYSIWYG editors) or understanding spreadsheeting, or even how to use
> the 'net for research. How far behind are we going to get? He got some
> obscure theory and that was it.
> 
> This is not about pushing Linux, but it is about the future of the lucky
> country - nothing less.
> 
> The state government, as I understand it from radio reports, is running a
> PILOT program on computer literacy - my god! where have they been the last
> ten years?
> 
> Meantime, I heard recently that UNSW is discarding plans to run on-line
> teaching. (hearsay - I hope I'm wrong), and downsizing it's in-house staff
> computer training (again hearsay, but I'm told they think it isn't
> necessary).
> 
> I know this is not a political list, but sometimes I think community
> groups have obligations to do some arse-kicking.
> 
> 
> 
> David.
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Re: [SLUG] Sendmail store?B

[John Clarke]

On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 10:26:02AM +1100, Rodos wrote:

> My problem is that my local machine will be on a cable modem with a
> dynamic address. So what do I put as my lower cost MX records IP address?

You could consider a dynamic dns service, if your local box is online
most of the time, and especially if the IP address changes rarely.

Another way to do it would be to configure it as a virtual domain on
the colo box, delivering all mail for your domain to a single mailbox,
but insert a header with the envelope details into each message to
avoid the usual problems with multi-drop mailboxes (loss of addressee
information because that's in the envelope rather than the message
headers).  Then you use fetchmail on your local box to grab the mail
from the colo box and deliver it to the individual users' mailboxes.
The downside is that sendmail delivers to only a single local recipient
at a time, so if there are multiple local recipients, you get multiple
copies with different `X-Envelope-To' headers inserted in your mailbox.

> The local machine will be connected perminatly, but as it cant run a
> server (AUP) and has a dynamic IP it makes it a little fiddly. I

True.  Only the colo machine and your local machine need to know that
your local machine is the primary MX though; the rest of the world can
be told that the colo box is the primary MX.  However, I'm not
advocating that you disobey your AUP ;-/

> machine. Am I making any sense?

Yes.  BTDTGTTS.

> I am sure others have solved this issue.

I used virtual hosting + `X-Envelope-To' header insertion through
/etc/procmailrc.  Email me if you want the gory details.


Cheers,

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RE: [SLUG] sendmai not sending mail but erroring with "load average" errors. .

[David Kempe]

>
> |> if memory serves correct, sendmail  will cease to process the
> queue once
> |> the load average reaches 8, and will stop accepting SMTP
> connects at a LA
> |
> |Speaking of load average, wtf does it mean? How does it corelate
> to the %CPU
> |time as in top?
>
> It's the number of processes in the ready to run queue.
>
> |What is a too high load average? Can you get a historical %CPU time as in
> |the uptime command but using %CPU not load avrge?
>
> Depends on your processor, memory and your expectation on response.

Thanks for all your replys.
That explains it. I will have to figure out a decent way to monitor CPU
usage.

dave



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RE: [SLUG] Sendmail store?B

[David Kempe]

>
> My problem is that my local machine will be on a cable modem with a
> dynamic address. So what do I put as my lower cost MX records IP address?

Can you use a hostname for your secondary MX? Perhaps the static service
from www.dyndns.org is worth investigating. Its for those ips like cable
that are dynamically static - or statically dynamic. well whatever you know
what i mean

:)


dave



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RE: [SLUG] sendmai not sending mail but erroring with "load average" errors. .

[David Zverina]

Load => number of processes waiting for CPU. (Length of the run queue)
Load average => average number of processes waiting for CPU over a give
period.

Dave.

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> David Kempe
> Sent: Monday, 15 January 2001 14:04
> To: Jeff Petre; George Vieira; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [SLUG] sendmai not sending mail but erroring with "load
> average" errors. .
>
>
> > if memory serves correct, sendmail  will cease to process the queue once
> > the load average reaches 8, and will stop accepting SMTP
> connects at a LA
>
> Speaking of load average, wtf does it mean? How does it corelate
> to the %CPU
> time as in top?
> What is a too high load average? Can you get a historical %CPU time as in
> the uptime command but using %CPU not load avrge?
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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Re: [SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools

[Ken Yap]

|I believe groups such as SLUG owe it to the community to make political
|stands on computer literacy. 

Probably a non-controversial thing that SLUG can do is create a mailing
list or even host a web page for it on the SLUG server, if someone is
willing to put up their hand for it. If it concerns schools, there's
already a mailing list for this: Linux in Australian Schools
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> which I am the list owner of. Go to
http://lists.linux.org.au to subscribe. This just means I get bounce
reports, I don't moderate or anything. There is no web page, but I'm
totally happy for someone to put up their hand to be webmaster.

I agree with what you are proposing; it's just that a discussion on this
may not be what other SLUGers want to read on this list.

PS: Instead of writing "I believe X owes it to Y to do Z", write: "I
will do Z because I believe in L". This is more likely result in action
instead of talk.


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Re: [SLUG] Sendmail store?B

[Rodos]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, John Clarke wrote:

> > Any ideas on how to set this up. I have check in the bat book but nothing
> > seamed to cover it.
>
> Make the colo box the secondary MX for the domain, make your local
> machine the primary MX.  Configure the colo box to relay for the domain
> but don't add the domain to class w on the colo box (otherwise it'll
> deliver mail locally rather than relay).  Add the domain to class w on
> the local machine.

Thanks John.

My problem is that my local machine will be on a cable modem with a
dynamic address. So what do I put as my lower cost MX records IP address?

If I put a bogus one it will go to the colo machine after failure of the
bogus address, but when I get it to process the queue, won't it try and
send it to the address of the MX record, which is bogus.

The local machine will be connected perminatly, but as it cant run a
server (AUP) and has a dynamic IP it makes it a little fiddly. I could put
the address as the lower cost, but then its going to deliver it to the
local machine first. I want the local machine to suck it off the colo
machine. Am I making any sense?

I am sure others have solved this issue.

Rodos

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RE: [SLUG] sendmai not sending mail but erroring with "load average" errors. .

[David Kempe]

> if memory serves correct, sendmail  will cease to process the queue once
> the load average reaches 8, and will stop accepting SMTP connects at a LA

Speaking of load average, wtf does it mean? How does it corelate to the %CPU
time as in top?
What is a too high load average? Can you get a historical %CPU time as in
the uptime command but using %CPU not load avrge?


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Re: [SLUG] sendmai not sending mail but erroring with "load average" errors. .

[Andrew Morton]

George Vieira wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just had to stop my sendmail and restart it and it now complains that the
> queue load average is too big and I can't get it to work again..
> 
> runqueue: Skipping queue run -- load average too high
> 

I think this is because Linux counts processes which are waiting on
disk as being "running".  Have a grub through the thread "sendmail
fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue" at

http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0011.1/index.html#719

especially:

http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0011.1/0573.html


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Re: [SLUG] PAM and SAMBA

[Dean Hamstead]

Perhaps you should be posting questions such as this
to the samba mailing lists. Although i do think AT
and a few other samba-heads watch SLUG.

Dean

James Peter Gregory wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Marty wrote:
> 
> 
>>> man smb.conf
>>> 
>>> /ldap
>>> 
>>> o  ldap filter
>>> 
>>> o  ldap port
>>> 
>>> o  ldap root
>>> 
>>> o  ldap root passwd
>>> 
>>> o  ldap server
>>> 
>>> o  ldap suffix
>>> 
>>> did you check all these?
>> 
>> and, using google, this looked promising
>> 
>> http://www.unav.es/cti/ldap-smb-howto.html
> 
> 
> Ok, first of all I'm not looking at LDAP authentication directly because
> to do that you have to use an experimental branch of samba, and that's not
> acceptable for this project. So all the mentioned sections of man smb.conf
> aren't really relevant (but yes I did look through the man page). 
> Furthermore, when I was looking at said man page I couldn't help but
> notice the word experimental in capital letters and coloured bright
> purple.
> 
> if you do ./configure --with-ldap on the 2.07 release of samba it will
> give you an error saying that ldap is not supported in this release (I
> find it slightly more concerning that there is a --with-ldap flag on the
> configure for openldap, but I digress). 
> 
> ie
> 
> checking whether to use PAM password database... yes
> checking whether to use LDAP password database... yes
> configure: error: LDAP password database not supported in this version.
> [root@beast source]# 
> 
> My situation at the moment is that I think the way to go is to get samba
> to authenticate against PAM. There is a pam_ldap module which I'm using on
> my development machine, and it works very well. Compiling with --with-pam
> throws no errors. Looking at the symbols that are in the executables it
> produces, it would appear that it has indeed been built into the server. 
> 
> In fact, I've also been reading the source code of samba's password
> checking code. I've found the function which does the pam authentication
> and another function which claims to be the core of the password checking
> code. That function is quite interesting. Take a look (from
> source/passdb/pass_check.c):
> 
> static BOOL password_check(char *password)
> {
> 
> #ifdef WITH_PAM
> /* ... comment which will be relevant if we ever get this working
> */
> return (pam_auth(this_user,password));
> #endif /* WITH_PAM */
> /* ... */
> 
> and then there are a whole lot of other authentication methods. WITH_PAM
> is defined. In fact, I put a #define at the start of the file to ensure
> that it was, only to be informed by the compiler that it had already been
> done. Anyway, if pam is defined, the function should return right there.
> Needless to say, this is not ocurring. I put in a few lines at the top of
> that function which basically opened a file and wrote a message to it. The
> message never got written.
> 
> I've found patches to the 2.2 tree to fix the configure to add pam
> support, but nothing for the 2.0x series. Does anyone know anything about
> this, or am I barking up the wrong tree entirely here?
> 
> tia.
> 
> James.
> 
> 
>> later
>> marty
>> 
>> 



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Re: [SLUG] Sendmail store?

[John Clarke]

On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 09:47:24AM +1100, Rodos wrote:

> The thing is I want to store the mail on my local machine, there are about
> 15 users. What I would like is for the colo machine to store the mail, and
> then get my local machine to pick it all up and dump it into the various
> mbox files. I can use the EXTN command to pick up the mail but was

That's `ETRN'.

> wondering how to configure the colo box to hold everything.
> 
> Any ideas on how to set this up. I have check in the bat book but nothing
> seamed to cover it.

Make the colo box the secondary MX for the domain, make your local
machine the primary MX.  Configure the colo box to relay for the domain
but don't add the domain to class w on the colo box (otherwise it'll
deliver mail locally rather than relay).  Add the domain to class w on
the local machine.

Let me know if you want more details (and tell me which version of
sendmail that you're using).


Cheers,

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RE: [SLUG] sendmai not sending mail but erroring with "load average" errors. .

[George Vieira]

Yep.. found it... damn stupid of me and didn't notice
it...

I built another kick ass PIII866 Linux server and I forgot there was an NFS
mounted on it...

ps -ef | sort -rn +5  didn't show much CPU usage but GKrellM did show heaps.
The console was full of errors about NFS and I realise the new kcik butt
server was shutdown and moved..

SO my server spat the dummy and slowed the server down oooOOO never
again..
I even had trouble shutting netfs down...

All seems OK now after..

thanks guys.


thanks,
George Vieira


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To: George Vieira; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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average" errors. .



George,

if memory serves correct, sendmail  will cease to process the queue once
the load average reaches 8, and will stop accepting SMTP connects at a LA
of 12.

If you need to change the load points of the queue and the connects, add
the following to your sendmail.cf: (assuming you have 8.7 or higher)

O QueueLA=
O RefuseLA=

* replace  with an integer value for the load average.

That said, I'd suggest you try and reduce the load on your machine before
adding to it with the sendmail proc's ...

Cheers,

Jeff Petre
IT/Operations Administrator
Platform Architecture and System Tools
IBM Global Services Australia
Tel: +61-2-9396-9416
Fax: +61-2-9396-8500
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Hi all,

I just had to stop my sendmail and restart it and it now complains that the
queue load average is too big and I can't get it to work again..

runqueue: Skipping queue run -- load average too high

I tied nuking anything in the /var/spool/mqueue/* since they were dodgy
bounces anyway and it didn't help.

Any ideas? ASAP would be greatly appreciated..

thanks,
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Re: [SLUG] MX problem with sendmail

[Howard Lowndes]

Tks for the reponses.  It was in /etc/sendmail.cw and has now moves to
/etc/mail/local-host-name.

Quoting Howard Lowndes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Can someone remind me what the fix is for the following sendmail error:
> 553 some.domain.com. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
> 
> I know it is in the bat book somewhere, but I just cannot find it.
> 
> Howard.
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Re: [SLUG] sendmai not sending mail but erroring with "load average" errors. .

[Jeff Petre]

George,

if memory serves correct, sendmail  will cease to process the queue once
the load average reaches 8, and will stop accepting SMTP connects at a LA
of 12.

If you need to change the load points of the queue and the connects, add
the following to your sendmail.cf: (assuming you have 8.7 or higher)

O QueueLA=
O RefuseLA=

* replace  with an integer value for the load average.

That said, I'd suggest you try and reduce the load on your machine before
adding to it with the sendmail proc's ...

Cheers,

Jeff Petre
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Platform Architecture and System Tools
IBM Global Services Australia
Tel: +61-2-9396-9416
Fax: +61-2-9396-8500
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Hi all,

I just had to stop my sendmail and restart it and it now complains that the
queue load average is too big and I can't get it to work again..

runqueue: Skipping queue run -- load average too high

I tied nuking anything in the /var/spool/mqueue/* since they were dodgy
bounces anyway and it didn't help.

Any ideas? ASAP would be greatly appreciated..

thanks,
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Re: [SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools

[DaZZa]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, David wrote:

> Meantime, I heard recently that UNSW is discarding plans to run on-line
> teaching. (hearsay - I hope I'm wrong), and downsizing it's in-house staff
> computer training (again hearsay, but I'm told they think it isn't
> necessary).

It's not hearsay.

UNSW management regard it more convenient to send people out to external
trainers {I.E. Interim Technologies} who

1) Charge more
2) Give worse courses
3) Are bloody idiots, mostly

because they don't see the "need" to maintain internal trainers.

Coupled with information received from the student union at UTS about the
pending decrease in classes, and the change in billing for post graduate
work it all points to me a Federal/State government who doesn;t give a
toss about future proofing our nation, but only about the bottom line, and
things like looking good at the Olympics.

DaZZa



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Re: web proxy & filtering, was [SLUG] Re: Telstra

[Mike Holland]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Richard Gooch wrote:

> Squid.

That would explain trhe delay - swapping. I think squid designed more for
using lots of memory, and many users. But check the manual - you can
probably change the config to use less memory.
  Otherwise, try wwwoffle.

  Has anybody compared different web proxy filters lately? Does squid
have any advantages for home/single-user use?

> The proxy is on my router/firewall. It doesn't get logged into, let
> alone run X!

Then 16MB ought to be plenty. You dont need ram to cach web pages.

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Re: [SLUG] PAM and SAMBA

[James Peter Gregory]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Marty wrote:

> > man smb.conf
> > 
> > /ldap
> > 
> > o  ldap filter
> > 
> > o  ldap port
> > 
> > o  ldap root
> > 
> > o  ldap root passwd
> > 
> > o  ldap server
> > 
> > o  ldap suffix
> > 
> > did you check all these?
> 
> and, using google, this looked promising
> 
> http://www.unav.es/cti/ldap-smb-howto.html

Ok, first of all I'm not looking at LDAP authentication directly because
to do that you have to use an experimental branch of samba, and that's not
acceptable for this project. So all the mentioned sections of man smb.conf
aren't really relevant (but yes I did look through the man page). 
Furthermore, when I was looking at said man page I couldn't help but
notice the word experimental in capital letters and coloured bright
purple.

if you do ./configure --with-ldap on the 2.07 release of samba it will
give you an error saying that ldap is not supported in this release (I
find it slightly more concerning that there is a --with-ldap flag on the
configure for openldap, but I digress). 

ie

checking whether to use PAM password database... yes
checking whether to use LDAP password database... yes
configure: error: LDAP password database not supported in this version.
[root@beast source]# 

My situation at the moment is that I think the way to go is to get samba
to authenticate against PAM. There is a pam_ldap module which I'm using on
my development machine, and it works very well. Compiling with --with-pam
throws no errors. Looking at the symbols that are in the executables it
produces, it would appear that it has indeed been built into the server. 

In fact, I've also been reading the source code of samba's password
checking code. I've found the function which does the pam authentication
and another function which claims to be the core of the password checking
code. That function is quite interesting. Take a look (from
source/passdb/pass_check.c):

static BOOL password_check(char *password)
{

#ifdef WITH_PAM
/* ... comment which will be relevant if we ever get this working
*/
return (pam_auth(this_user,password));
#endif /* WITH_PAM */
/* ... */

and then there are a whole lot of other authentication methods. WITH_PAM
is defined. In fact, I put a #define at the start of the file to ensure
that it was, only to be informed by the compiler that it had already been
done. Anyway, if pam is defined, the function should return right there.
Needless to say, this is not ocurring. I put in a few lines at the top of
that function which basically opened a file and wrote a message to it. The
message never got written.

I've found patches to the 2.2 tree to fix the configure to add pam
support, but nothing for the 2.0x series. Does anyone know anything about
this, or am I barking up the wrong tree entirely here?

tia.

James.

> 
> later
> marty
> 
> 

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Re: [SLUG] mail servers segfaulting

[DaZZa]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Adrian van den Dries wrote:

> Exim will receive requests via inetd, but will not run standalone, its
> queue-runner children segfault with signall 11. Sendmail just segfaults.

Signal 11 is often related to bad memory. How old is your machine? Can you
pull it apart, remove and clean the memory {using alcohol on the
contacts}, then reseat it firmly.

Also, try replacing the SIMM/DIMM if you've got spares and see if your
problem goes away.

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Re: [SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools

[David]

I believe groups such as SLUG owe it to the community to make political
stands on computer literacy. 

For some reason, Australian politicians have NO idea about the need for
serious computer studies. My 17 year old son spent one whole year doing
computer studies and came out not knowing how to create a web page (even
using WYSIWYG editors) or understanding spreadsheeting, or even how to use
the 'net for research. How far behind are we going to get? He got some
obscure theory and that was it.

This is not about pushing Linux, but it is about the future of the lucky
country - nothing less.

The state government, as I understand it from radio reports, is running a
PILOT program on computer literacy - my god! where have they been the last
ten years?

Meantime, I heard recently that UNSW is discarding plans to run on-line
teaching. (hearsay - I hope I'm wrong), and downsizing it's in-house staff
computer training (again hearsay, but I'm told they think it isn't
necessary).

I know this is not a political list, but sometimes I think community
groups have obligations to do some arse-kicking.



David.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Interesting article in today's Sydney Morning Herald;
> 
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/0101/15/national/national14.h
> tml
> 
> Now, boys and girls, can anyone tell me WHAT they will 
> be tested on ?  Anyone ???
> 
> I feel a Ministerial Letter coming on...:-)
> 
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[SLUG] Sendmail store?

[Rodos]

I am going to colo my main box. It will server web pages and receive email
for a few domains.

The thing is I want to store the mail on my local machine, there are about
15 users. What I would like is for the colo machine to store the mail, and
then get my local machine to pick it all up and dump it into the various
mbox files. I can use the EXTN command to pick up the mail but was
wondering how to configure the colo box to hold everything.

Any ideas on how to set this up. I have check in the bat book but nothing
seamed to cover it.

Rodos

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Re: [SLUG] MX problem with sendmail

[Marty]

> Can someone remind me what the fix is for the following sendmail error:
> 553 some.domain.com. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
> 
> I know it is in the bat book somewhere, but I just cannot find it.

google search: "mail loops back to me" site:sendmail.org

http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section4.html#4.5

 
I'm getting these error messages:

553 MX list for domain.net points back to relay.domain.net
554 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Local configuration error

How can I solve this problem?  You have asked mail to a domain (e.g.,
domain.net) to be forwarded to a specific host (in this case,
relay.domain.net) by using an MX record, but the relay machine doesn't
recognize itself as domain.net. Add domain.net to
/etc/mail/local-host-names [known as /etc/sendmail.cw prior to version
8.10] (if you are using FEATURE(`use_cw_file')) or add "Cw domain.net" to
your configuration file. 

There are a couple of additional cases where you don't actually want local
delivery, and thus adding domain.net to class w is not the right fix:

1) When relay.domain.net should just be acting as a forwarder, e.g. a
firewall/gateway box. The proper fix could be to set up a mailertable
entry for domain.net.  

2) When relay.domain.net is a secondary (etc.) MX, and the MX mistakenly
points to a CNAME or other "non-canonical" name [this gives "config error: 
mail loops back to me (MX problem?)"]. The proper fix is to point the MX
at the actual name, a "work-around" to add the MX target to class w. 


hth
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Re: [SLUG] MX problem with sendmail

[John Clarke]

On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 01:15:18PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:

> Can someone remind me what the fix is for the following sendmail error:
> 553 some.domain.com. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)

http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section4.html#4.5

Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] sendmai not sending mail but erroring with "load average" errors. .

[Marty]

> runqueue: Skipping queue run -- load average too high

i thought this was a system load thing...  if the system was heavily
loaded sendmail would delay clearing the queue as email was a low
priority...

what is the system load like?

later
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[SLUG] mail servers segfaulting

[Adrian van den Dries]

Here's a challenge for you:

I can no longer run a mail server (=(exim|postfix|sendmail)). Exim and
sendmail both segfault on startup, and postfix just doesn't start (due to
the maze of startup scripts for postfix, I didn't get very far debugging
it).

Exim will receive requests via inetd, but will not run standalone, its
queue-runner children segfault with signall 11. Sendmail just segfaults.

I have been unable to track this down. I am not familiar enough with strace
output to debug it. No-one on any OS IRC channel has been able to help. I
put it to you, dear sluggers.

Here is the catch: the only change between exim working happily and exim
suicidal is that, due to some persistent filesystem errors, I tarred my 
entire filesystem (as files), reinstalled a base potato, and extracted 
the old filesystem over it (ignoring /dev).

Does anyone know where to start with this? I can provide strace output, I'll
do whatever is necessary to avoid having to use Lotus Notes!

Adrian.

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[SLUG] MX problem with sendmail

[Howard Lowndes]

Can someone remind me what the fix is for the following sendmail error:
553 some.domain.com. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)

I know it is in the bat book somewhere, but I just cannot find it.

Howard.

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Re: [SLUG] PAM and SAMBA

[Marty]

> man smb.conf
> 
> /ldap
> 
> o  ldap filter
> 
> o  ldap port
> 
> o  ldap root
> 
> o  ldap root passwd
> 
> o  ldap server
> 
> o  ldap suffix
> 
> did you check all these?

and, using google, this looked promising

http://www.unav.es/cti/ldap-smb-howto.html

later
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Re: [SLUG] [ot] fixing apm the ms way

[Jobst Schmalenbach]

On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 11:09:41PM +1100, Dean Hamstead ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot/apm98/apmflagreset.asp
> 
> 
> this is just bizare


But even more bizarre is if you click on 

  "Yes, the Stand By option now appears when I click Start and then click Shut Down."

on the next menu you see then:

   I would like to start over again. 
   The troubleshooter did not help, I want to Search the Personal Online Support site. 
   I am still having problems, can I just disable Standby mode?


You just got it to work, why do you want to disable it again??
argh!



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[SLUG] sendmai not sending mail but erroring with "load average" errors..

[George Vieira]

Hi all,

I just had to stop my sendmail and restart it and it now complains that the
queue load average is too big and I can't get it to work again..

runqueue: Skipping queue run -- load average too high

I tied nuking anything in the /var/spool/mqueue/* since they were dodgy
bounces anyway and it didn't help.

Any ideas? ASAP would be greatly appreciated..

thanks,
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Re: [SLUG] PAM and SAMBA

[Dean Hamstead]

man smb.conf

/ldap

o  ldap filter

o  ldap port

o  ldap root

o  ldap root passwd

o  ldap server

o  ldap suffix

did you check all these?

Dean


James Peter Gregory wrote:

> hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to set up a network here using LDAP as an authentication
> suppository. My current problem is this. I can use PAM to authenticate
> stuff against the LDAP database, but I can't get Samba to use PAM to
> authenticate.
> 
> Can someone please tell me how to do this? I've been looking everywhere
> and can't find any documentation for it. It appears to be using the
> smbpasswd file no matter what I do. I really don't want to keep two
> databases of passwords, and I really don't want to use pam_samba to
> authenticate everything else against samba, because our clients need to
> use ldap for other things as well.
> 
> Any help greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> James.



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[SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools

[jon]

Interesting article in today's Sydney Morning Herald;

http://www.smh.com.au/news/0101/15/national/national14.h
tml

Now, boys and girls, can anyone tell me WHAT they will 
be tested on ?  Anyone ???

I feel a Ministerial Letter coming on...:-)


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[SLUG] PAM and SAMBA

[James Peter Gregory]

hi all,

I'm trying to set up a network here using LDAP as an authentication
suppository. My current problem is this. I can use PAM to authenticate
stuff against the LDAP database, but I can't get Samba to use PAM to
authenticate.

Can someone please tell me how to do this? I've been looking everywhere
and can't find any documentation for it. It appears to be using the
smbpasswd file no matter what I do. I really don't want to keep two
databases of passwords, and I really don't want to use pam_samba to
authenticate everything else against samba, because our clients need to
use ldap for other things as well.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

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[SLUG] cash by fax info

[cashbyfax222]

THIS IS THE NEW LINK.  TYPO IN THE LAST ONE.

http://www.geocities.com/cashbyfax222/new.html


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Re: [SLUG] Php support

[Raoul Golan]

"Shannon Doyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi people.
>  
> I am experiencing some difficulties in getting my mandrake system to
> work with php support.
>  
> I have installed apache from an rpm, then I tried to install mod_php3
> this worked fine, however, whenever I try to go to a site that has a
> file with an extension of .php or .php3 my browser wants to doanload the
> file. I assume that there is something not quite right with the
> httpd.conf file. Like its missing a module entry or something. 
>  
> I have looked at the httpd.conf file and cannot see what or where i am
> missing anything.
>  

I presume when you say "I try to go to a site" you mean "I
try to go to a page on my server".

Did you add something like:


  AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3
  AddType application/x-httpd-php3-source .phps


# The following is for PHP/FI (PHP2):

  AddType application/x-httpd-php .phtml


to your httpd.conf?



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Re: [SLUG] [ot] fixing apm the ms way

[Marty]

> http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot/apm98/apmflagreset.asp
> 
> this is just bizare

fix power management by disabling your floppy driver ?!?!?

later
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[SLUG] Php support

[Shannon Doyle]

  Hi people.
   
  I am experiencing some difficulties in getting my mandrake system to 
  work with php support.
   
  I have installed apache from an rpm, then I tried to install mod_php3 
  this worked fine, however, whenever I try to go to a site that has a file 
  with an extension of .php or .php3 my browser wants to doanload the file. 
  I assume that there is something not quite right with the httpd.conf file. 
  Like its missing a module entry or something. 
   
  I have looked at the httpd.conf file and cannot see what or where i 
  am missing anything.
   
  Any help on this would be appreciated, as I have to get my server 
  running with this support today.
   
  Kind regards,
  Shannon





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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[SLUG] [ot] fixing apm the ms way

[Dean Hamstead]

http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot/apm98/apmflagreset.asp


this is just bizare

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Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty

[Ken Yap]

|ge = generic perhaps?
|
|generic tty?
|
|m for modem?
|
|modem generic teletype

No, just modem get teletype. getty was already an established process
name on Unix. It's the process that sits waiting for a keystroke
indicating a user wanting to login. Back in those days it even did
autobauding on serial lines. Then it exec'ed login which would validate
the user and exec a shell. When the shell exited, init would notice this
and start another getty on that line.


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Re: [SLUG] Telstra using Transparent proxy on ADSL network

[Martin]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Harry Ohlsen wrote:

> >They do this for metering, I think --  I worked on the cable system
> >for a while, and when I was working on it, *everything* was proxied
> >through a gauntlet firewall,  where the proxies have been altered to
> >measure traffic and assign it to individual users.  Traffic to the
> >`free zones' is not metered -- that's handled by the proxy cache.
> 
> Of course, things would be a lot better if there weren't mindless idiots 
> around who want to download GBs of crap.  If that were not the case, 
> Telstra wouldn't really need to monitor the amount of downloads and 
> everything would probably run a lot more smoothly.
> 
> As always, it's a few dickheads who spoil it for everyone else.

Yeah, telstra always makes decisions in the best interests of it's
customers, and it's the evil customers that screw things up.



I download GBs of stuff (I resent the characterisation of things like
debian iso's as "crap"), and my downloading is unlimited. There goes
that theory, because, where it true, they wouldn't be offering any
unlimited accounts. Telstra's decisions are not driven by common sense,
but rather by a combination of what they can get away with and pure
idiocy. In a vacuum, they probably wouldn't be providing ADSL yet at
all.




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Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty

[Dean Hamstead]

ge = generic perhaps?

generic tty?

m for modem?

modem generic teletype

Dean

Jill Rowling wrote:

> Well you've caught me out on that one. I figured that getty is just a get
> from a serial device but I didn't work out the "m" bit.
> Disclaimer: I have used modems a lot (even designed them) and Linux/Unix a
> lot but I don't use the two together much!
> TTY: Yes, teletype. I have used these beasts as the serial console in the
> dark ages. They were current loop interface, though, not RS-232. I think the
> name "tty" for the serial device stuck though as the Bell Labs people
> probably liked the TLA.
> Teletypewriter services are still offered by some organisations however you
> get a serial terminal / computer, not a clunky electromechanical teletype.
> I think if I were designing the interface from scratch, I might have called
> it /dev/ser rather than /dev/tty, but then I never worked for Bell.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty

[Ken Yap]

|TTY: Yes, teletype. I have used these beasts as the serial console in the
|dark ages. They were current loop interface, though, not RS-232. I think the
|name "tty" for the serial device stuck though as the Bell Labs people
|probably liked the TLA.
|Teletypewriter services are still offered by some organisations however you
|get a serial terminal / computer, not a clunky electromechanical teletype.
|I think if I were designing the interface from scratch, I might have called
|it /dev/ser rather than /dev/tty, but then I never worked for Bell.

Back in those days CRT terminals cost as much in $s as a PC now. To
emphasize the possibility of migration, one terminal manufacturer (Lear
Siegler?) advertised their terminals as "glass teletypes". Basser CS
Dept at the U of Sydney had a lab of printing teletypes, albeit dot
matrix and not hammer mechanism.  Later this was supplemented by
Telerays. Vi? That was in the future.  There were a couple of
full-screen editors, but students were taught an enhanced version of ed
called em, for the reason that everybody had to share a VAX 11/780.
Nowadays you have more CPU power on your desktop.

The other thing to remember is that we didn't think of the dichotomy
between serial and parallel interfaces that much. The Centronics
interface really became popular only with the advent of the IBM PC.
Another fossil name from that period is the parallel port: /dev/lp.
Teletype you could say, ok that sounds like what it does, allows you to
type remotely, but line printer? Not many people have seen a real line
printer, with hammers, print chains and all that.


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[SLUG] ?Telstra ADSL slow/unreliable

[Richard Piper]

I have had Telstra ADSL for a few weeks now and have not been that 
impressed.

1. It is unreliable.
2. There seems to be quite a pause in serving web pages, I suppost this 
is the cache or the
fact that everything seems to route through Victoria. The download 
speeds are quite fast, but
you spend a lot of time waiting for the page to be served.
3. The inability to get a static IP is a nuisance.

Compared to my 56K modem access via the university, I certainly dont think
it worth 90$ per month.

Does anyone else find ADSL a little disappointing? When I workout my 
average
monthly download, It may be better to look for another provider.

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Re: [SLUG] [IMP] Meeting, Monday 22nd January -> YOUR LUG NEEDS YOU!

[Craige McWhirter]

Alright, I'll step forward.

Can you email me off list about exactly what is required/expected and
any relevent contacts?

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:17:30 Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> It seems that no one is interested in having a SLUG meeting on the
> 22nd, to
> which we could invite many of our overseas and local speakers... Could
> this
> be true? I hope not.
> 
> Most of the SLUG committee have been involved in the organisation of
> linux.conf.au, and been very busy for the last 8 months putting it
> together.
> Needless to say, we're going to be *exceptionally* busy in the next
> week.
> 
> It would be great to have a smaller meeting for just 'us SLUGgers', to
> hear
> from and chat with the great people who are out here. Many of them
> enjoy
> going to LUG meetings around the world, and Sydney shouldn't
> disappoint.
> 
> 
> If you'd like to help organise a meeting for Monday, 22nd January,
> *please*
> reply to this email so we can get it going. Of course, if you're
> coming to
> linux.conf.au, you can grab one of the organisers (funny looking
> people in
> blue shirts) to tell them your ideas.
> 
> - Jeff Waugh
>   linux.conf.au Faceless Organiser #3.14
>   SLUG Committee Member
> 
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RE: [SLUG] Vi Help

[JZ John Zantey ( 3470)]

>> Ken
>> Who uses vi on windows!
>> 
> I do, I use gvim as my generic text file view editor so that
>it does not matter if it's in Unix or DOS format it works and all my 
>key strokes are there 

>Grant

/me uses winvi as my default editor on NT here at work.
unfortunately my windows text navigation skills aren't as fine tuned as my
vi skills and it does get messy when using editors like notepad... hehehe...
a bit like putting a few x s and dd s around the place...

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RE: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty

[Jill Rowling]

Well you've caught me out on that one. I figured that getty is just a get
from a serial device but I didn't work out the "m" bit.
Disclaimer: I have used modems a lot (even designed them) and Linux/Unix a
lot but I don't use the two together much!
TTY: Yes, teletype. I have used these beasts as the serial console in the
dark ages. They were current loop interface, though, not RS-232. I think the
name "tty" for the serial device stuck though as the Bell Labs people
probably liked the TLA.
Teletypewriter services are still offered by some organisations however you
get a serial terminal / computer, not a clunky electromechanical teletype.
I think if I were designing the interface from scratch, I might have called
it /dev/ser rather than /dev/tty, but then I never worked for Bell.

Regards,

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RE: [SLUG] Vi Help

[Marty]

> > Who uses vi on windows!
> > 
>  I do, I use gvim as my generic text file view editor so that
> it does not matter if it's in Unix or DOS format it works and all my 
> key strokes are there 

i think he meant that he does use vi on windows ;)

later
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RE: [SLUG] Vi Help

[grant]

> Ken
> Who uses vi on windows!
> 
 I do, I use gvim as my generic text file view editor so that
it does not matter if it's in Unix or DOS format it works and all my 
key strokes are there 

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Re: web proxy & filtering, was [SLUG] Re: Telstra

[Richard Gooch]

Mike Holland writes:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Richard Gooch wrote:
> 
> > I have to admit, I haven't really noticed. But then again, that's
> > because I'm using a proxy at home (which also doubles as a banner ad
> > blocker (bliss)). And the home proxy machine is RAM-depleted (only 16
> > MiB), and thus I get a pregnant pause anyway. I'd love to upgrade the
> 
> What proxy do you use? 

Squid.

> I was using 'wwwoffle' on a 16MB 486, and modem, without any noticable
> problems. Its good for blacking ads, cookies (selectively), off-line
> browsing, etc. etc.
>   Has anybody 

Has anybody what?

> Uh - I hope that 16MB proxy isnt the same machine you run X-windows on ?!

The proxy is on my router/firewall. It doesn't get logged into, let
alone run X!

> > RAM, but 72 pin SIMMs are expensive these days because they're not
> > commodity :-(
> > If anyone knows a cheap source, please let me know.
> 
> Got any spare slots? I have some 4MB SIMs.

They're all filled (4x 4 MiB).

Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] Telstra using Transparent proxy on ADSL network

[Harry Ohlsen]

>They do this for metering, I think --  I worked on the cable system
>for a while, and when I was working on it, *everything* was proxied
>through a gauntlet firewall,  where the proxies have been altered to
>measure traffic and assign it to individual users.  Traffic to the
>`free zones' is not metered -- that's handled by the proxy cache.

Of course, things would be a lot better if there weren't mindless idiots 
around who want to download GBs of crap.  If that were not the case, 
Telstra wouldn't really need to monitor the amount of downloads and 
everything would probably run a lot more smoothly.

As always, it's a few dickheads who spoil it for everyone else.




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Re: [SLUG] Telstra using Transparent proxy on ADSL network

[Crossfire]

- Original Message -
From: "Peter Chubb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ian Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Richard Gooch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Telstra using Transparent proxy on ADSL network


> They do this for metering, I think --  I worked on the cable system
> for a while, and when I was working on it, *everything* was proxied
> through a gauntlet firewall,  where the proxies have been altered to
> measure traffic and assign it to individual users.  Traffic to the
> `free zones' is not metered -- that's handled by the proxy cache.

Given that they charge for news download, I seriously doubt this.  They're
almost certainly using straight IP accounting.  The proxies are caching
proxies [I've proven this to myself already by altering web pages and
getting the old content from the proxy].  And its done to reduce the burden
on Telstra's uplinks.

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Re: [SLUG] Telstra using Transparent proxy on ADSL network

[Peter Chubb]

> "Ian" == Ian Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ian> Yep definately a proxy, any other connection  will get straight through.
Ian> But port 80 is being redirected.

Ian> I cannot recall seing anything in the terms and conditions that said that
Ian> Telstra was going to redirect my packets through a transparent proxy.

They do this for metering, I think --  I worked on the cable system
for a while, and when I was working on it, *everything* was proxied
through a gauntlet firewall,  where the proxies have been altered to
measure traffic and assign it to individual users.  Traffic to the
`free zones' is not metered -- that's handled by the proxy cache.

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[SLUG] Re: debian, 2.4 kernel, pcmcia

[Angus Lees]

\begin{David Kempe}
> I have downloaded the 2.4tar.gz and some debs i think i will need. LIke gcc
> and binutils.
> Do i need some sort of kernel header?

in the 2.4 .tar.gz

> Oh, im going to need libcurses. Anyone think of anything else i need on top
> of a base install.

apt-cache show kernel-package

stripping out the debian specific stuff (used to build the kernel
packages), we have:

Depends: fileutils
Recommends: libc-dev, gcc, make

> I have no debian cds, and no network connectivity to the box except in
> windows. So apt-get doesnt really help me :(

apt-get --print-uris

presumably you can find a windows program that will just download a
bunch of uris

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web proxy & filtering, was [SLUG] Re: Telstra

[Mike Holland]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Richard Gooch wrote:

> I have to admit, I haven't really noticed. But then again, that's
> because I'm using a proxy at home (which also doubles as a banner ad
> blocker (bliss)). And the home proxy machine is RAM-depleted (only 16
> MiB), and thus I get a pregnant pause anyway. I'd love to upgrade the

What proxy do you use? 
I was using 'wwwoffle' on a 16MB 486, and modem, without any noticable
problems. Its good for blacking ads, cookies (selectively), off-line
browsing, etc. etc.
  Has anybody 

Uh - I hope that 16MB proxy isnt the same machine you run X-windows on ?!

> RAM, but 72 pin SIMMs are expensive these days because they're not
> commodity :-(
> If anyone knows a cheap source, please let me know.

Got any spare slots? I have some 4MB SIMs.

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[SLUG] One Terminal looking for a good home.

[Mark]

Hello Everyone,

  I have a DEC VT420 terminal that needs a good home.  The terminal 
still in its box, has an amber screen and is relatively clean and I 
cannot spot any screen burn-in.  It appears to work properly though I 
have not properly tested the communications side of the unit.

  I can bring the unit to linux.conf this week if anyone wants it, I 
just need to clean things up quickly.

Regards

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Re: [SLUG] [IMP] Meeting, Monday 22nd January -> YOUR LUG NEEDS YOU!

[Steve Kowalik]

On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 10:17:30PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> It seems that no one is interested in having a SLUG meeting on the 22nd, to
> which we could invite many of our overseas and local speakers... Could this
> be true? I hope not.
>
Me too.

> Most of the SLUG committee have been involved in the organisation of
> linux.conf.au, and been very busy for the last 8 months putting it together.
> Needless to say, we're going to be *exceptionally* busy in the next week.
>
More than that, I'd say. :-)

> It would be great to have a smaller meeting for just 'us SLUGgers', to hear
> from and chat with the great people who are out here. Many of them enjoy
> going to LUG meetings around the world, and Sydney shouldn't disappoint.
>
Indeed.

> 
> If you'd like to help organise a meeting for Monday, 22nd January, *please*
> reply to this email so we can get it going. Of course, if you're coming to
> linux.conf.au, you can grab one of the organisers (funny looking people in
> blue shirts) to tell them your ideas.
>
I'd say just a bog standard meeting with the exception of having kernel hackers to 
flock around, etc.. :-)
And dinner could be... interesting.

> - Jeff Waugh
>   linux.conf.au Faceless Organiser #3.14
>   SLUG Committee Member
> 
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> 
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[SLUG] SLUG BOF @ LCA

[Crossfire]

Hey All!

Please try to pardon the chain acronym usage in the topic... ;)

Jeff has called for a smaller meeting for "us SLUGers", and although he did
intend for it to be a propper meeting [and I personally hope that there is a
propper meeting *hint* *hint*], I thought a SLUG BOF wouldn't hurt either :)

However, this is my first serious Tech Conf where there hasn't been a
company running the show, trying to sell their products, so I'm all very new
to the whole BOF thing, and I'm literally going to be winging this like
crazy.

If you're going to be at LCA [and being loyal supporters of your committee,
I'm sure many of you will be there], keep an eye-out on the BOF board(s) for
the SLUG BOF - I'll get it on the board once I have things worked out.

During LCA, if you want to talk to me about the BOF in person, keep an eye
out for me.  My name tag (we will have name tags, right?) will have my real
name on it - "Chris Collins".  I'll be the guy with the long dark hair and
glasses - some of you may have seen me at the November SLUG meeting.  If
you're still having trouble - find somebody from Canberra who has been
attending CLUG and ask them to point me out ;)

If you've got any suggestions for the BOF, please email me them so I can try
to factor them into the festivities.

I'll post to the list again once I've worked it all out.

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Re: [SLUG] [IMP] Meeting, Monday 22nd January -> YOUR LUG NEEDS YOU!

[Dean Hamstead]

have one of those impromptu thingys (i think i even spelt that right)
that would be cool, and possibly very funny

maybe a FAQ night.

Dean

Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> It seems that no one is interested in having a SLUG meeting on the 22nd, to
> which we could invite many of our overseas and local speakers... Could this
> be true? I hope not.
> 
> Most of the SLUG committee have been involved in the organisation of
> linux.conf.au, and been very busy for the last 8 months putting it together.
> Needless to say, we're going to be *exceptionally* busy in the next week.
> 
> It would be great to have a smaller meeting for just 'us SLUGgers', to hear
> from and chat with the great people who are out here. Many of them enjoy
> going to LUG meetings around the world, and Sydney shouldn't disappoint.
> 
> If you'd like to help organise a meeting for Monday, 22nd January, *please*
> reply to this email so we can get it going. Of course, if you're coming to
> linux.conf.au, you can grab one of the organisers (funny looking people in
> blue shirts) to tell them your ideas.
> 
> - Jeff Waugh
>   linux.conf.au Faceless Organiser #3.14
>   SLUG Committee Member
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [SLUG] BlueSkyFrog phone icon

[Daniel Finn]

login...

click design an icon in cool content...

type in "p5237944" in the share icon box...

hit enter.. it comes up in your saved icons =)

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From: "Harry Ohlsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] BlueSkyFrog phone icon


> Hi,
>
> At 20:51 2001-01-14 +1100, you wrote:
> >For your amusement, I've made a "dev/phone" icon for your Nokia mobile.
> >Upload
> >it at www.blueskyfrog.com.au today. You will need to input the icon key
of
> >p5237944 to download it.
>
> I couldn't find where to stick the magic number "p5237944".  The site
seems
> to be driven by lists, rather than having any data entry field where you
> could stick that ID.
>
> Any pointers?
>
> I'd like to take a look at the logo before I stick it in, if that's
> possible, because I'm not sure how many points they charge for an icon
> download and I only have 14; I'd hate to get stuck with it in the unlikely
> event that I don't like it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> H.
>
>
>
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Telstra using Transparent proxy on ADSL network

[Ian Ward]

- Original Message -
From: "Richard Gooch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ian Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 12:31 PM
Subject: [SLUG] Re: Telstra using Transparent proxy on ADSL network

> Hm. I'm happy to voluntarily use a proxy, since it's part of being a
> good 'net neighbour and all that. And hopefully it will give me a
> performance benefit. But I don't think people should be forced to use
> it. Apart from being arrogant, it doesn't provide a way of getting out
> when the proxy is fucked.

Wooahh.  If it's coming out of a proxy why the hell are they charging me
per megabyte?

That megabyte has already been paid for by some other sucker. (as opposed to
pusher... hehe)

Ian



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Re: [SLUG] BlueSkyFrog phone icon

[David Kempe]

> I couldn't find where to stick the magic number "p5237944".  The site
seems
> to be driven by lists, rather than having any data entry field where you
> could stick that ID.
>
> Any pointers?

I found it.
Go to the righthand colum where it is a white icon that says cool content
Then go to design your own icon,
then underneath the share icon button you can put in the number and see the
image

dave



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Re: [SLUG] BlueSkyFrog phone icon

[Harry Ohlsen]

Hi,

At 20:51 2001-01-14 +1100, you wrote:
>For your amusement, I've made a "dev/phone" icon for your Nokia mobile. 
>Upload
>it at www.blueskyfrog.com.au today. You will need to input the icon key of
>p5237944 to download it.

I couldn't find where to stick the magic number "p5237944".  The site seems 
to be driven by lists, rather than having any data entry field where you 
could stick that ID.

Any pointers?

I'd like to take a look at the logo before I stick it in, if that's 
possible, because I'm not sure how many points they charge for an icon 
download and I only have 14; I'd hate to get stuck with it in the unlikely 
event that I don't like it.

Cheers,

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[SLUG] [IMP] Meeting, Monday 22nd January -> YOUR LUG NEEDS YOU!

[Jeff Waugh]

Hi all,

It seems that no one is interested in having a SLUG meeting on the 22nd, to
which we could invite many of our overseas and local speakers... Could this
be true? I hope not.

Most of the SLUG committee have been involved in the organisation of
linux.conf.au, and been very busy for the last 8 months putting it together.
Needless to say, we're going to be *exceptionally* busy in the next week.

It would be great to have a smaller meeting for just 'us SLUGgers', to hear
from and chat with the great people who are out here. Many of them enjoy
going to LUG meetings around the world, and Sydney shouldn't disappoint.


If you'd like to help organise a meeting for Monday, 22nd January, *please*
reply to this email so we can get it going. Of course, if you're coming to
linux.conf.au, you can grab one of the organisers (funny looking people in
blue shirts) to tell them your ideas.

- Jeff Waugh
  linux.conf.au Faceless Organiser #3.14
  SLUG Committee Member


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Re: [SLUG] BlueSkyFrog phone icon

[David Kempe]

> For your amusement, I've made a "dev/phone" icon for your Nokia mobile.
Upload
> it at www.blueskyfrog.com.au today. You will need to input the icon key of
> p5237944 to download it.
Where do i do that?

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[SLUG] debian, 2.4 kernel, pcmcia

[David Kempe]

Hey sluggers,
trying to get my laptop to get up and running. I have got networking working
in Windows, so i have a base system installed on my laptop.
It has a strange pcmcia 10/100 NIC with the marking SOHO-FP16 on it.
I guessing that the 2.4 kernel will have better support for it, based on my
PCMCIA reading.
>From a base install, what things do i need to do to get the 2.4 kernel
running?
I have downloaded the 2.4tar.gz and some debs i think i will need. LIke gcc
and binutils.
Do i need some sort of kernel header?
Oh, im going to need libcurses. Anyone think of anything else i need on top
of a base install.
I have no debian cds, and no network connectivity to the box except in
windows. So apt-get doesnt really help me :(

any helpers?

Thanks

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[SLUG] BlueSkyFrog phone icon

[Aussie]

For your amusement, I've made a "dev/phone" icon for your Nokia mobile. Upload 
it at www.blueskyfrog.com.au today. You will need to input the icon key of 
p5237944 to download it.
Now you can have your mobile phone made into a device, matches your dev/mug on 
your desk.

Aussie


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Re: [SLUG] Bigpond Direct ADSL pricing

[Michael Still]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Richard Ames wrote:

>
>
> A customer of mine recently pressed Bigpond Direct on the
> question. Answer - March maybe!

To quote a Telstra complaints person I have recently been dealing with
"everything the sales people tell you is crap"...

Take that as you will.

MIkal

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Re: [SLUG] Bigpond Direct ADSL pricing

[Richard Ames]

A customer of mine recently pressed Bigpond Direct on the
question. Answer - March maybe!

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Darrell Burkey wrote:

> Anyone heard any news on pricing for ADSL on Bigpond Direct? Last year there
> was talk of announcements in Jan/Feb but I haven't heard anything yet. I
> have several clients that could benefit from this, not to mention myself and
> I'm keen to find out if they stick with per meg charges or offer some kind
> of cap.
> 
> ~~
> Darrell Burkey @ Home
> Canberra, ACT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [SLUG] Linux and WINS resolution.

[Gareth Walters]

- Original Message -
From: "Scott Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "David Kempe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "George Vieira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Steve Kowalik"
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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux and WINS resolution.


> On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 09:08:14PM +1100, David Kempe wrote:
> > Is there a dynamic DNS client/server setup for linux?
>
> ISC BIND 8+ does DDNS from the the DNS side.
> ISC DHCP 3 (Currently in beta) does it from the DHCP side.
>
> http://www.isc.org/ for both.
>
> No idea how good they are though.  DDNS is something which can be very,
> very fundamentally flawed if it's not done right (hint: consider what
> happens if someone calls their computer the same thing as your server.
> >From what I've seen, some products handle this better than others).


I have just started using these 2 as well as the SAMBA WINS with the
wins_dns_hook  (which allows
it to dynamically update DNS as well)

It has made lots of odd, annoying and hard-to-trace name resolution problems
go away that existed when the DHCP and WINS server were on the NT server.

As well as removing the necessity of having to change the DNS entries by
hand and if at some stage that is necessary and/or I am not around you just
need to use a command line thing (nsupdate) to update the DNS.



---Gareth



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