[SLUG] [BORING] Server Issues

[Jeff Waugh]

Hi all,

Just had a bit of web downtime, but the mailing list is still operational
and okay; the archive searching facility will be back up soon.

I'd love to say this was scheduled... :)

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] cdrom prob with vmware

[Joshua Burvill]

Thanks, I'll try this.

Think I'll go back to kernel 2.4.3 now since vmware has now released
an upgrade for 2.4 kernels for its workstation 2.0 product.

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Re: [SLUG] UPS for linux

[Dave Fitch]

On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 11:36:35AM +1000, Bernhard L?der wrote:
> You may also want consider SOLA.
> Firstly they are Australian made
> Secondly they have software for various OSs
> Thirdly their software works
> Fourthly their support is also reasonable.

and fifthly they have normal Australian power outlets on the back
not the computer power connector things, which makes it easy
to plug in modem, hub, powerboard etc.

I've got a Sola 510 and have no complaints.  Haven't tried their
shutdown software (free on the web site) though.

Dave.

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[SLUG] Little Brother Database and Mutt

[mikel]

Hi Guys

I liked that Mutt tip about using lbdb that Simon Rumble made some time ago
and have just installed lbdb and am trying to get it working.  
Running it manually I have seeded the database by running the script

lbdd-fetchaddr < slug   (slug is my last years mailing list)

This does seem to populate the database as can be seen here:
mikel$ ls -l .lbdb/
-rw---1 mikelmikel 309 May  5 21:25 m_inmail.list

it was zero size previously.

but when I try to do a manual query like so:

$ lbdbq 'mike'  

$

I get nothing.

I am using the /etc/lbdb.rc and not my own.
The only settings in that are:
METHODS="m_inmail"
MODULES_PATH="/usr/lib/lbdb"

I have checked that the modules path is set (even set it manually) 
$ echo $MODULES_PATH
/usr/lib/lbdb

and the modules are in /usr/lib/lbdb ie
mikel$ ls /usr/lib/lbdb
fetchaddr   lbdb_lib  m_finger  m_inmail  m_pgp2  munge
lbdb-munge  m_fidom_gpg m_passwd  m_pgp5

Performing the query within mutt also gives no output of course but checked
just in case.

Any idea on whats wrong?

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[SLUG] Re: sending mail from mutt problem

[mikel]

On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 11:19:31PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all,
> Have a prob in that mail to slug goes through ok but mail to Uni of
> Technology, Sydney does not. I just send a message to myself at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and its there in my mail queue (note im using exim on a
> deb box):
> 
> mikel$ /usr/sbin/sendmail -bp
> Mail Queue (1 request)
> --Q-ID-- --Size-- -Q-Time- Sender/Recipient
> XAA01701  311 Sat May  5 23:12 mikel
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> If I give it a push
> 
> mikel$ /usr/sbin/sendmail -q 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Host unknown (Name server: uts.edu.au: no data
> known)
> 
> It never gets to the UTS. Why? Mail to SLUG seems fine.

Additional info:
I get the following mail to root

The original message was received at Sat, 5 May 2001 23:12:19 +1000
from mikel@localhost

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

   - Transcript of session follows -
550 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Host unknown (Name server: uts.edu.au: no data
known)

[ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; tazieff.speleonics.com.au
Arrival-Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 23:12:19 +1000

Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.2
Remote-MTA: DNS; uts.edu.au

I presume its trying to do a DNS lookup of uts.edu.au which does not resolve
as only www.uts.edu.au resolves. I tested that with a ping and nslookup. But
for mail that is a valid mail address. Well Its me !

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Re: [SLUG] gesture based input

[Steve Kowalik]

On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 03:57:11PM +1000, Peter Hardy uttered:
> The developmental versions of the fvwm window manager have had support for
> libstroke (http://www.etla.net/libstroke/) for quite a while, letting you
> bind gestures to wm events.  I had it recognising very simple gestures
> (hold down a button and move in a straight line to launch an xterm..), with
> very nice results.  Well worth playing with..
>
Ohhh, silly me! I thought it was like, "Move arm toward screen and extend middle 
finger" for reboot, but this makes much more sense.
:-)

> Peter
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Re: [SLUG] internet connection and bind

[Jobst Schmalenbach]

On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 03:25:12AM +1000, Jeff Waugh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> 
> > Is there a way telling for example "bind" to be based on the eth0 device
> > instead of being based on the ppp0 device?
> 
> How do you mean 'based on'?
> 
> You can use the listen-on BIND directive to have it attach to a given
> interface's IP address.
> 
> You'll need to explain this a little better. :)

Correct. Reading it now doesnt make much sense to me either. It was early
in the morning and I tried to get my PPP connection to start using the
default scripts supplied in RH71, once I got that to work it didnt restart
if the connection was broken. So I wrote my on little ppp-watch and it works
now.

I shouldnt have written that mail at that time of day.

I take your suggestion though and read up on that.


thanks Jeff.
Jobst


PS: regarding the PPP connection. After the install when it rebooted
it simply stopped continuing in the scripts, although "-detach"
was set and "exec" was used. I even read the code and couldnt
understand why it was stopping script execution at that point.



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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Del]

OK, and I have a number of equivalent arguments as to why Debian sucks.
For example:  * Why don't they build packages from pristine sources. *
What the fxxk is the name of the program I use to install packages again,
is it dselect, apt-get, or dpkg?  * Why does dselect tell me it's going
to apply a bunch of security fixes to my debian system by _uninstalling_
a whole pile of stuff that I added with apt-get (such as apache, for
example).  * Why on earth do they still insist on running named as root?

Other more useful commercial arguments include that most of the commercial
Linux software (Oracle, Firewall-1, VMware, etc, etc) is targeted at
RedHat and not Debian.  It just makes sense for my clients' sake that I
continue to use Red Hat.

On a more personal note as a software developer, one of my packages is
still floating around the net as a .deb file with _someone else's copyright
notice_ attached to it.  OK, so who gave the Debian developers permission
to change the copyright message on other people's software?  Are they
packaging Oracle 8i in a .deb file with a GPL copyright message on it
too?  I'd like to see that one fly.

I could go on.

I won't.  I've had enough of the arguments either side.  I'm used to
Red Hat, I tried it, I liked it, I tried Debian and I didn't like that
much.  Other people's mileage may vary.

The fact of the matter is, *this is a Linux mailing list*.  It's not
an *I hate RedHat* mailing list or an *I hate Debian* mailing list.
Personally, I don't give a rat's arse what version of Linux other
people use, as long as it weans them off Microsoft, and one day I
may very well find a customer site where I really need to use Debian
instead of RedHat so I will.  I still have one site running a really
old version of slackware because it's small, fast, light, and nobody
can remember what the bugs are any more.

I'm getting rather tired of the *I hate RH* vs *I hate Debian* flame
wars on this list and I just wish they'd all stop.  If you want to
flame something then go find an advocacy list or a net.news group with
a bunch of people who care, 'cos I sure as hell don't.

Simon, sure, a "How to use Debian for RedHat users" might be somewhat
constructive, especially for people like me who use RH 90% of the time
and have to play with the occasional Debian system, but a page that
has the title "Why RedHat sucks" is neither constructive nor useful,
except for Microsoft employees.  I bet Bill Gates has your web site
plastered to the wall of his dunny, with a picture of Larry Ellison
in a chicken suit next to it for added jerk off value.

I strongly suggest, in the interest of the entire world wide Linux
community, that you take it down and replace it with something a
little more user friendly.

Del

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[SLUG] sending mail from mutt problem

[mikel]

Hi all,

Have a prob in that mail to slug goes through ok but mail to Uni of
Technology, Sydney does not. I just send a message to myself at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and its there in my mail queue (note im using exim on a
deb box):

mikel$ /usr/sbin/sendmail -bp
Mail Queue (1 request)
--Q-ID-- --Size-- -Q-Time- Sender/Recipient
XAA01701  311 Sat May  5 23:12 mikel
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If I give it a push

mikel$ /usr/sbin/sendmail -q 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Host unknown (Name server: uts.edu.au: no data
known)

It never gets to the UTS. Why? Mail to SLUG seems fine.

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Re: [SLUG] Quiet Computers

[Van Ly]

On  2 May 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > In all cases, a better quality fan will usually solve the problem.
> 
> PHB!!111
> 

Hear the sound of one hand clapping, why not get rid of the fan and go the
Apple Cube with Linux PPC.

Getting used to the no-button mouse will be fun and games tho :)


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Re: [SLUG] Quiet Computers

[Jeff Waugh]

> Getting used to the no-button mouse will be fun and games tho :)

Do the feely mice have any kind of positional pressure sensitivity, or is it
just one big thumping pad?

It would be somewhat confusing, but it might be fun to hack on, too. :)

- Jeff

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[SLUG] 1722k syslinux boot disk

[Ken Caldwell]

Hi,

Does anyone on the list know how to make one?

I can follow the syslinux doco and make a 1440k bootdisk. (format the
disk under DOS with the /s switch first) I can also make a dos formatted
1722k disk using superformat under linux.  Unfortunately I can't format
a 1722k disk under DOS.

I _think_ the /s switch writes something to the bootsector as well as
copying on the DOS system files.  The latter will be replaced by the
syslinux loader so I should not really need to use DOS at all if I can
get an appropriate boot sector.

TIA

Ken

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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Dean Hamstead]

At this point i would like to mention turbolinux.
If your a redhat fan and are sick of the amount of rubbish
you get, and youd also like to have more provided binary
packages that are better-than-rh integrated, then turbo
could be for you.

Go get the iso now. There is a workstation and a server,
as you know you dont want say squid on a workstation, and 
you wouldnt want say gnumeric on a server.

try now, is good. is redhat like with lots more control
on the install process with heaps of console config tools
for people who are lazy/dont know

Dean

Del wrote:
> 
> OK, and I have a number of equivalent arguments as to why Debian sucks.
> For example:  * Why don't they build packages from pristine sources. *
> What the fxxk is the name of the program I use to install packages again,
> is it dselect, apt-get, or dpkg?  * Why does dselect tell me it's going
> to apply a bunch of security fixes to my debian system by _uninstalling_
> a whole pile of stuff that I added with apt-get (such as apache, for
> example).  * Why on earth do they still insist on running named as root?
> 
> Other more useful commercial arguments include that most of the commercial
> Linux software (Oracle, Firewall-1, VMware, etc, etc) is targeted at
> RedHat and not Debian.  It just makes sense for my clients' sake that I
> continue to use Red Hat.
> 
> On a more personal note as a software developer, one of my packages is
> still floating around the net as a .deb file with _someone else's copyright
> notice_ attached to it.  OK, so who gave the Debian developers permission
> to change the copyright message on other people's software?  Are they
> packaging Oracle 8i in a .deb file with a GPL copyright message on it
> too?  I'd like to see that one fly.
> 
> I could go on.
> 
> I won't.  I've had enough of the arguments either side.  I'm used to
> Red Hat, I tried it, I liked it, I tried Debian and I didn't like that
> much.  Other people's mileage may vary.
> 
> The fact of the matter is, *this is a Linux mailing list*.  It's not
> an *I hate RedHat* mailing list or an *I hate Debian* mailing list.
> Personally, I don't give a rat's arse what version of Linux other
> people use, as long as it weans them off Microsoft, and one day I
> may very well find a customer site where I really need to use Debian
> instead of RedHat so I will.  I still have one site running a really
> old version of slackware because it's small, fast, light, and nobody
> can remember what the bugs are any more.
> 
> I'm getting rather tired of the *I hate RH* vs *I hate Debian* flame
> wars on this list and I just wish they'd all stop.  If you want to
> flame something then go find an advocacy list or a net.news group with
> a bunch of people who care, 'cos I sure as hell don't.
> 
> Simon, sure, a "How to use Debian for RedHat users" might be somewhat
> constructive, especially for people like me who use RH 90% of the time
> and have to play with the occasional Debian system, but a page that
> has the title "Why RedHat sucks" is neither constructive nor useful,
> except for Microsoft employees.  I bet Bill Gates has your web site
> plastered to the wall of his dunny, with a picture of Larry Ellison
> in a chicken suit next to it for added jerk off value.
> 
> I strongly suggest, in the interest of the entire world wide Linux
> community, that you take it down and replace it with something a
> little more user friendly.
> 
> Del
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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Rev Simon Rumble]

On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 06:07:30PM +1000, Del uttered:

> I strongly suggest, in the interest of the entire world wide Linux
> community, that you take it down and replace it with something a
> little more user friendly.

No.  With a little open criticism, Red Hat might actually fix these
problems.  The free software world has a lot in common with the Left
side of politics.  Its biggest strength and its biggest weakness is
its adherence to the policy of total openness.

This helps our "enemies" sometimes, but then many of us just ignore
the "enemies" anyway since their products suck.  It also requires an
understanding from people that they _CAN_ dive and find out the truth
from the horse's mouth without relying on spin from the opposing
team.

Dragging the analogy a little further than it should be dragged, the
same ridiculous articles in the press here in London in the leadup to
the recent Mayday "riots" (their term) about people training in "US
anarchist training camps" are easily seen for what they are with a
quick trawl of the Net, the same source the newsmen used.  (See
www.ruckus.org).  The same is true of Microsoft's spin.

Your comments sound rather Trotskyist to me, if we're going to
make a Lefty political analogy :)

If I can't talk about the warts, this isn't my movement.

If I can't dance, this isn't my revolution.

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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Jeff Waugh]

> If I can't dance, this isn't my revolution.

I think Del was saying something kinda like this:

  "It takes less mental effort to condemn than to think."

[ Another Emma Goldman. ]

:) - Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] gesture based input

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Steve Kowalik said:
>Ohhh, silly me! I thought it was like, "Move arm toward screen and extend middle 
>finger" for reboot, but this makes much more sense.

Sounds like my debugging technique.

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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Rev Simon Rumble]

On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:21:33AM +1000, Jeff Waugh uttered:

> I think Del was saying something kinda like this:
> 
>   "It takes less mental effort to condemn than to think."

If you read the actual piece, I say that "Red Hat sucks" is probably a
bit harsh.  Mabye I'm just infected by the appalling (but regularly
hilarious) tabloid headlines over here...

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Re: [SLUG] Crazy Book Review Action!

[Catie Flick]

On  4 May, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> Please email back to the list with:
> 
>   - Your favourite Linux or Free Software related quote.

There are a couple that I love the best:

Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os!
Worked for me all the times.
-- Linus Torvalds

Oh, and this is another kernel in that great and venerable "BugFree(tm)"
series of kernels.  So be not afraid of bugs, but go out in the streets
and deliver this message of joy to the masses.
-- Linus, in the announcement for 1.3.27

... and the ultimate:

Software is like sex; it's better when it's free.
-- Linus Torvalds


Catie 

Oh yeah, and I'd like to have a look at the Linux Programming book if I
win, please ;)

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Re: [SLUG] Crazy Book Review Action!

[Steve Kowalik]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 03:54:20PM +1000, Jeff Waugh uttered:
> * Linux for Windows Addicts:
> 
>   "A 12-Step Program for Habitual Windows Users"
> 
> 
> * Linux Programming, A Beginner's Guide:
> 
>   Bash, TCSH, Perl, Tcl/Tk, GAWK, GNOME, KDE...
>
I'll claim this one if I win.

>   - Your favourite Linux or Free Software related quote.
>
"Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and when it is 
bad, it is better than nothing."
   -- Dick Brandon

"Linux means never having to delete your love mail."
   -- Don Marti

"Web browsers are fragile assemblies of bugs, held together with Hello Kitty stickers. 
They tend to have problems with complicated pages, especially if they're long. Some of 
my pages are pretty long, and I want them to work with any web browser on any 
computer, and so I've been very careful not to do anything unkosher, daring, or cool"
   -- James "Kibo" Parry

"I'm what you get when an eleven-year-old kid decides he wants to grow up to be a 
Heinlein character."
   -- Eric S. Raymond

Not too sure about those last two, but foo cares, I'm having a go!

> - Jeff
> 
> -- 
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> - Linux Weekly News 
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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Howard Lowndes]

hear, hear.

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On Sat, 5 May 2001, Del wrote:

[big snip]
> 
> Simon, sure, a "How to use Debian for RedHat users" might be somewhat
> constructive, especially for people like me who use RH 90% of the time
> and have to play with the occasional Debian system, but a page that
> has the title "Why RedHat sucks" is neither constructive nor useful,
> except for Microsoft employees.  I bet Bill Gates has your web site
> plastered to the wall of his dunny, with a picture of Larry Ellison
> in a chicken suit next to it for added jerk off value.
> 
> I strongly suggest, in the interest of the entire world wide Linux
> community, that you take it down and replace it with something a
> little more user friendly.


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[SLUG] Gnumeric on RH7

[Alan L Tyree]

I don't know if this is a "RH Sucks" issue or not.

I upgraded a RH 6.x system to RH7 a while back. Just noticed that
Gnumeric doesn't work now. I get a message "Gnumeric failed to find a
suitable default font" and am asked to verify the gnome-print
installation (checks out ok with rpm verify) and my fontmap file.

I don't seem to have a fontmap file. Locate produces only
/usr/include/kpathsea/fontmap.h 

What's happened?

BTW, I for one would like to see a "Debian for RH users" article.

Thanks for any help

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Re: [SLUG] Gnumeric on RH7

[Terry Collins]

Alan L Tyree wrote:

..snip

> I upgraded a RH 6.x system to RH7 a while back. Just noticed that
> Gnumeric doesn't work now. I get a message "Gnumeric failed to find a
> suitable default font" and am asked to verify the gnome-print
> installation (checks out ok with rpm verify) and my fontmap file.

Is your xfs (font server) running?
As far as I can workout, font path in XF86Config are now all replaced by
a call to the XFS server.


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Re: [SLUG] Quiet Computers

[Terry Collins]

Terry Collins wrote:

..snip

> In all cases, a better quality fan will usually solve the problem. There
> is also variation in fans, so swapping in another fan  may lower the
> noise level.

And if you have some cash, try a peitler (sp?) onto the CPU and video
card.


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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Terry Collins]

Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
> 
> On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 06:07:30PM +1000, Del uttered:
> 
> > I strongly suggest, in the interest of the entire world wide Linux
> > community, that you take it down and replace it with something a
> > little more user friendly.
> 
> No.  With a little open criticism, Red Hat might actually fix these
> problems.  The free software world has a lot in common with the Left
> side of politics.  Its biggest strength and its biggest weakness is
> its adherence to the policy of total openness.

Well, I think therein lies the problem. RedHat comes from the right wing
of things, in that they are firmly tied into the capitalist business
model of making money with the view of making a profit. Somewhere along
the line, in this world, Linux needs quite a few businesses making a
profit from Linux to keep the speed of development up and to keep it
going (at a significant pace).

I suspect that the imput people have is related to how high up the
RedHat food chain they are, i.e. if PHB in big corp says we want it,
they will get it first.

I use RedHat because 95% of the time, it is the first to handle new
hardware and until recently, it gave me the best installation options. I
recommend it to other people for similar reasons.

I'm using another distro because I don't like the Microsoft like power
of RH in the Linux world and I encourage competition. These are similar
reasons why I only buy AMD. The fact that my other distro isn't Debian
is because both the Debian versions I have tried have failed to install
multiple times.

...snip.

> Your comments sound rather Trotskyist to me, if we're going to
> make a Lefty political analogy :)

Concept Totally lost. This isn't a medical condition in case anyone is
wondering, but a micro-faction of leftist politics and a lesson in how
not to co-operate - if there is one thing a leftist splinter party hates
more that the right wing pollies, it is other leftist groups that don't
follow the one true path, i.e. "our" version of communist dogma - OOh
sounds a bit like linux distro flame wars {:-0

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Re: [SLUG] gesture based input

[Jon Biddell]

> This one time, at band camp, Steve Kowalik said:
> >Ohhh, silly me! I thought it was like, "Move arm toward screen and extend middle 
>finger" for reboot, but this makes much more sense.
> 
> Sounds like my debugging technique.

Hang on a sec - that's how I reboot my NT servers (monthly) !!



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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Jeff Waugh]

> Concept Totally lost. This isn't a medical condition in case anyone is
> wondering, but a micro-faction of leftist politics and a lesson in how not
> to co-operate - if there is one thing a leftist splinter party hates more
> that the right wing pollies, it is other leftist groups that don't follow
> the one true path, i.e. "our" version of communist dogma - OOh sounds a
> bit like linux distro flame wars {:-0

My FREADOM is bettar than yuor FREADOM!!

[ This is one of those threads that would fit in *perfectly* on slug-chat. ]

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Re: [SLUG] Gnumeric on RH7

[Alan L Tyree]

xfs504  0.0  3.1  5136 1944 ?S08:16   0:02 xfs
-droppriv -da

And all other X-features seem to be working just fine.

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Re: [SLUG] Little Brother Database and Mutt

[Joshua Burvill]

On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 10:19:06PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I liked that Mutt tip about using lbdb that Simon Rumble made some time ago
> and have just installed lbdb and am trying to get it working.  
> Running it manually I have seeded the database by running the script
> 
> lbdd-fetchaddr < slug   (slug is my last years mailing list)

This approach seems only to process the first email in the mbox file-
so youll only get a couple of entries in the db from that.

> 
> This does seem to populate the database as can be seen here:
> mikel$ ls -l .lbdb/
> -rw---1 mikelmikel 309 May  5 21:25 m_inmail.list

309 bytes is v. small, so it probably only has a couple of entries in
it.

It is just a text file so you can just less or cat it to see.

the solution, don't know, maybe a script to feed it one message at a time
from your mbox till all the msgs have been processed.


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Re: [SLUG] Gnumeric on RH7

[Jeff Waugh]

> I don't know if this is a "RH Sucks" issue or not.

No, this is a GNOME sucks issue; and I say that as a very involved GNOME
user and contributor. :)

> I upgraded a RH 6.x system to RH7 a while back. Just noticed that Gnumeric
> doesn't work now. I get a message "Gnumeric failed to find a suitable
> default font" and am asked to verify the gnome-print installation (checks
> out ok with rpm verify) and my fontmap file.

Some other things to try:

  Reinstall gnome-print. Getting rpm to go over it again helps.

  Make sure ghostscript-fonts is installed, and try reinstalling that too.

There are often issues with font installs on RH.

> BTW, I for one would like to see a "Debian for RH users" article.

I was going to write one when I first started really getting into Debian,
but I was well past remembering all the vagaries of my time with Red Hat.

There is already a lot of documentation out there, and you can certainly
learn a bucketload just by typing "debian " into the SLUG
archives search box.

  http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/

I honestly think the best way of finding out the details of the OS is to
have a few long-time users around to query.

Gus, K and Anand are to blame for my rapid early familiarity; and I've come
far enough to be leading others through. [ I'm attempting to get Telsa
hooked on Debian, but for all the fruity goodness of our favourite distro,
she's still loyal to the 'Hat. ;) ]

At the Macquarie installfest, I was really only doing Debian and GNOME
things all day; there was lots of interest, and lots of help. :)

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Re: [SLUG] Little Brother Database and Mutt

[Jeff Waugh]

> the solution, don't know, maybe a script to feed it one message at a time
> from your mbox till all the msgs have been processed.

formail -I'From ' -s lbdb-fetchaddr < mbox

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[SLUG] I need to do some snooping / detective work.

[Paul Robinson]

Hi Sluggers,

 Can I have some feedback on whether the following is on the right 
track/ wrong/ completely not worth the effort.

 The place where I work has been compromised mainly due to the fact 
they are primarily a M$ shop and so they have no firewall currently (that 
is now going to change thankfully so our no. of linux boxes will be on the 
increase). They also have each individual workstation / server / printer 
given a internet ip address (This is also going to change once said 
firewall is set up) which was just asking for trouble.

 What I'd like to be able to do before I set up said firewall is 
set up a sort of packet sniffer box in between the internet and one of the 
servers that this person is using. Hopefully to find out who they are and 
what they are doing. I was currently working on setting up a linux box to 
install that netsaint package that I asked about a few weeks back. So 
currently we have a Slackware 4.0 (2.2.6 kernel) box which has the default 
setup + latest apache php 4 and mysql. I can add a second nic and turn off 
all services and use this box.

 It will have to fit in seamlessly and both my work colleagues and 
the intruder must not suspect any change. I was thinking that it would be 
something like below (excuse the crudeness of my diagram I don't draw them 
that often. Basic idea would have the packet sniffer similar to a firewall 
setup.




INTERNET --- - Server
| | (non real IP)
| |
Packet sniffer
(2 x nic's & server orig IP

The Packet Sniffer box would IP MASQ (or IPchains Forward perhaps?) all 
packets onto the compromised server. It would also have to log all 
suspect  connections. I was thinking of using snort for this as I've heard 
it's pretty rcomprehensive and I've seen the ruleset generation page and 
think it's quite a snazzy feature.

Thanks in advance,
Paul (who is now out to spec up a firewall box and re-read the firewall howto)

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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Del]

I would just like to make it known that I am neither Trotskyite, Stalinist,
Right Wing, or any other -ism you want to maintain I am.  I'm a Linux
dude, OK?  I don't give a hoot about politics and as far as I know I'm
not even on the electoral roll at the moment.

I still think that "Why RedHat Sucks" is a bad name for a pro-Linux page,
regardless of whether it was written by a capitalist or a communist.

Del

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Re: [SLUG] I need to do some snooping / detective work.

[Del]

>  What I'd like to be able to do before I set up said firewall is 
> set up a sort of packet sniffer box in between the internet and one of the 
> servers that this person is using. Hopefully to find out who they are and 
> what they are doing.

Right answer, wrong problem.

Who they are is a relayed attack through some other compromised machine
somewhere else, probably in Brazil, Pakistan, Greece, or Saudi Arabia.
That compromised machine is probably relaying data from a third machine
which in turn relays from a fourth ... etc.  You may have to involve
Interpol in a search for the real hacker, or at least CERT.

What are they doing?  Probably going around the internet seeing how
many m4ch1n3s th3y can 0wn3d l1k3 y00r s0rry 4rs3 b3cuz th3y 4r3
1337 d00d!  If you're really lucky they might actually do something
useful with your machine, like D0S M1cr0s0ft!!!

It's not worth your trouble.  Besides, who cares?

Find out how they got in.  My guess:  Because you didn't have a firewall.
End of answer.  Once you have that answer, find out how to keep them out.
I think you can guess the answer to that one.

Believe me, tracking hackers back to home base is just not worth it.
Besides, once your hacker is kicked out of his dial-up account for h4x0ring
your b0x, they'll just use one of the other 500 or so accounts they managed
to get off the phreakers mailing lists.  If it's really important that you
track the guy down because there's some kind of industrial espionage issue
going on and you want to prosecute, then call in the experts to do it.

Del

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Re: [SLUG] Little Brother Database and Mutt

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Joshua Burvill said:
>the solution, don't know, maybe a script to feed it one message at a time
>from your mbox till all the msgs have been processed.

formail -s lbdb-fetchaddr < slug

formail is a brilliant utility that will read in a mbox file and pipe
each message to he command specfied by the -s option.  It'll do a lot
of other useful things too, like inserting headers and snarfing From:
lines, etc.  Check the list archives for 'procmail', there is a bunch
of recipies from Gus and Jeff that contain rules using formail... and
some useful URLs, like Tom Gilbert's anti-spam .procmailrc.  HTH.  :)

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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Craige McWhirter]

Damn. I wish I'd read this thread now, it sounds interesting.

(off to read the archives)

Thus spake Del ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> 
> I would just like to make it known that I am neither Trotskyite, Stalinist,
> Right Wing, or any other -ism you want to maintain I am.  I'm a Linux
> dude, OK?  I don't give a hoot about politics and as far as I know I'm
> not even on the electoral roll at the moment.
> 
> I still think that "Why RedHat Sucks" is a bad name for a pro-Linux page,
> regardless of whether it was written by a capitalist or a communist.
> 
> Del

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[SLUG] Ximian Gnome

[Andrew Eager]

Is anyone using Gnome ?  I have just downloaded the ximian version of 
Gnome 1.4 (all 140 MB) of it and it looks pretty good.

Comes with Mozilla which supports multiple email accounts (unlike 
netscape) and a heap of other stuff.

I still reckon the KDE editor is better than gedit since it does all 
that nice colour formatting for my C code.

Regards,


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Re: [SLUG] I need to do some snooping / detective work.

[Howard Lowndes]

If you M$ server has been compromised and your not bothered at this stage
that it remains compromised for a while, and if your Internet to server
connection is on Ethernet, then just hang a passive sniffer on the
Ethernet and watch what passes.

However if your Internet connection is ppp them you will have to make the
sniffer box pretend to be the server box (IP etc) and you will have to
port forward to it.  It will need to act like a proxy.

Always bear in mind that the intruder might be coming from a variety of
compromised sites and tracking him back could be a wild goose chase.

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On Sun, 6 May 2001, Paul Robinson wrote:

> Hi Sluggers,
> 
>  Can I have some feedback on whether the following is on the right 
> track/ wrong/ completely not worth the effort.
> 
>  The place where I work has been compromised mainly due to the fact 
> they are primarily a M$ shop and so they have no firewall currently (that 
> is now going to change thankfully so our no. of linux boxes will be on the 
> increase). They also have each individual workstation / server / printer 
> given a internet ip address (This is also going to change once said 
> firewall is set up) which was just asking for trouble.
> 
>  What I'd like to be able to do before I set up said firewall is 
> set up a sort of packet sniffer box in between the internet and one of the 
> servers that this person is using. Hopefully to find out who they are and 
> what they are doing. I was currently working on setting up a linux box to 
> install that netsaint package that I asked about a few weeks back. So 
> currently we have a Slackware 4.0 (2.2.6 kernel) box which has the default 
> setup + latest apache php 4 and mysql. I can add a second nic and turn off 
> all services and use this box.
> 
>  It will have to fit in seamlessly and both my work colleagues and 
> the intruder must not suspect any change. I was thinking that it would be 
> something like below (excuse the crudeness of my diagram I don't draw them 
> that often. Basic idea would have the packet sniffer similar to a firewall 
> setup.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> INTERNET --- - Server
> | | (non real IP)
> | |
> Packet sniffer
> (2 x nic's & server orig IP
> 
> The Packet Sniffer box would IP MASQ (or IPchains Forward perhaps?) all 
> packets onto the compromised server. It would also have to log all 
> suspect  connections. I was thinking of using snort for this as I've heard 
> it's pretty rcomprehensive and I've seen the ruleset generation page and 
> think it's quite a snazzy feature.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Paul (who is now out to spec up a firewall box and re-read the firewall howto)
> 
> "The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance."
> -- anon.
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Van Ly]

On  6 May 2001, Del wrote:
> 
> I would just like to make it known that I am neither Trotskyite, Stalinist,
> Right Wing, or any other -ism you want to maintain I am.  I'm a Linux
> dude, OK?  I don't give a hoot about politics and as far as I know I'm
> not even on the electoral roll at the moment.
> 

It's a shame people feel that way about politics because ultimately that's
where the power to decide lies: if you don't like the rules of the
game--you can change them. 

> I still think that "Why RedHat Sucks" is a bad name for a pro-Linux page,
> regardless of whether it was written by a capitalist or a communist.

Ahh yes, divide then conquer your enemy. It all starts with a label and then you
get people to stop listening to the substance of the argument. Would it
surprise anyone that the anti-GNU/Linux forces have confederates among us?

In this information age, we ordinary people have everything to lose to the
few powerful people who would prefer us to be ignorant. Those powerful people
come in all shades of blue (capitalists) and red (commies).

> 
> Del
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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Jeff Waugh]

> In this information age, we ordinary people have everything to lose to the
> few powerful people who would prefer us to be ignorant. Those powerful
> people come in all shades of blue (capitalists) and red (commies).

Which begs the question: Capitalists and Communists can't be "ordinary
people"?

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[SLUG] Postfix - Sending mail

[Andrew Eager]

I have a general query regarding Postfix and redirection of mail out of 
my box.

I can send & receive email OK but I had a firewall problem when sending 
mail to my ISP's smtp server.

With the old client based system (ie netscape sending / receiving mail 
directly from the ISP) all I had to do was specify an SMTP server to use 
for outbound mail.

Now I specify my own local SMTP (postfix) server.  When it goes to send 
mail, it uses different MX entries to route the mail to.  This meant I 
had to open up the firewall to SMTP on all IP addresses - which has to 
be a bad thing.

Two questions:

   a) Why do I see different SMTP servers used when sending mail 
(smtp-01.myisp, smtp-06.myisp  ) ?

   b) Is it possible to tell postfix to use the same server (prev 
mail.my_isp.net.au) ?
  (I tried setting relayhost in main.cf but that did nothing)

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Re: [SLUG] Postfix - Sending mail

[Jeff Waugh]

> Now I specify my own local SMTP (postfix) server.  When it goes to send
> mail, it uses different MX entries to route the mail to.  This meant I had
> to open up the firewall to SMTP on all IP addresses - which has to be a
> bad thing.

You need to allow the mailserver to send via SMTP, so open it up only that
far. This allows it to relay to your ISPs server.

>a) Why do I see different SMTP servers used when sending mail
>(smtp-01.myisp, smtp-06.myisp  ) ?

A round robin system for the SMTP servers at your ISP.

>b) Is it possible to tell postfix to use the same server (prev
>mail.my_isp.net.au) ?  (I tried setting relayhost in main.cf but that
>did nothing)

relayhost = usual.isp.smtp.server

Then set all of your clients to use your machine as the relay. You're
probably seeing the results of the round robin system; just make sure you
use the relayhost line, because many sites block email that is send directly
from dial-ups.

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[SLUG] Re: [ANN] Help fight the dreaded H.T.M.L.

[Terry Dawson]

Anand Kumria wrote:

> 1. The main types of dynamic content discussed were announcements of
> upcoming events (meetings, fests etc), and news relevent to Sluggers,
> and anyone using Linux in Sydney (but NOT general geek news, headlines
> etc).

Adrian Casey from the Alice Springs Linux Users Group is intending to use
phpweblog for their site.. http://phpweblog.org/ .. it is php/MySQL based
and may be of interest to you.

regards
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Re: [SLUG] Gnumeric on RH7

[Alan L Tyree]

Hmm. Thanks to both Terry and Jeff, but still no luck. Trouble is, I'm
not sure if it _ever_ worked on the RH7 installation.

I did disable some services after reading a security thingy, but I
can't really remember what (I know, I know!) - and, as I say,
everything else seems to be working well.

G.

Thanks anyway

Alan

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Re: [SLUG] Postfix - Sending mail

[Dave Fitch]

On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 03:53:23PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> >a) Why do I see different SMTP servers used when sending mail
> >(smtp-01.myisp, smtp-06.myisp  ) ?
> 
> A round robin system for the SMTP servers at your ISP.
> 
> >b) Is it possible to tell postfix to use the same server (prev
> >mail.my_isp.net.au) ?  (I tried setting relayhost in main.cf but that
> >did nothing)
> 
> relayhost = usual.isp.smtp.server
> 
> Then set all of your clients to use your machine as the relay. You're
> probably seeing the results of the round robin system; just make sure you
> use the relayhost line, because many sites block email that is send directly
> from dial-ups.

indeed as I found out when I first set it up a while ago.
It seems common for ISPs (well large ones at least) to have several 
mail servers (eg. I get the same thing as you're describing Andrew
sending my mail out via dingoblue/optus).
Maybe you could put that specific server (eg. smtp-04.myisp...) as 
your relayhost but I'm not sure that's a particularly good idea even 
if it does work.

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Re: [SLUG] Gnumeric on RH7

[Jeff Waugh]

> Hmm. Thanks to both Terry and Jeff, but still no luck. Trouble is, I'm
> not sure if it _ever_ worked on the RH7 installation.

Have a go at Ximian Gnome 1.4 - I've installed it on a couple of the Debian
machines here, and it's quite cool. One of the perkiest features is the
Gnome Doorman; the first login setup druid.

Also has Red Carpet (with access to the Evolution test releases), etc. Worth
having a look at anyway.

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[SLUG] Avoiding the Big Incompetencies [Was: Postfix - Sending mail]

[Jeff Waugh]

> Maybe you could put that specific server (eg. smtp-04.myisp...) as your
> relayhost but I'm not sure that's a particularly good idea even if it does
> work.

One reason to choose a specific member of the SMTP pool is that both Telstra
and Optus have half of their machines listed in ORBS. First off, you should
complain to both companies for being boofheads, then choose a specific
machine (which may not work, btw, but it's worth a try).

You can tell if you're ORBSed by checking the headers of your SLUG mail as
it comes in. Instead of blackholing or moderating ORBSed email, we just add
a few X-RBL headers for good measure.

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] Little Brother Database and Mutt

[Michael Lake]

Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> 
> This one time, at band camp, Joshua Burvill said:
> >the solution, don't know, maybe a script to feed it one message at a time
> >from your mbox till all the msgs have been processed.
> 
> formail -s lbdb-fetchaddr < slug

and Jeff suggested:
> formail -I'From ' -s lbdb-fetchaddr < mbox

That guys is what I needed ! Yay. The Q for Query function now works 
in mutt :-)

Thankx

Mike
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[SLUG] (was: snooping / detective work.)

[Paul Robinson]

Yeah I guess it would be a waste of resources. It would still prove to be a 
worthwhile setup to detect any future attempts though wouldn't it? I seem 
to recall reading on the snort site that the optimum setup is to have 1 
snort running outside the firewall and one inside the firewall.. that way 
you can see who's attempted what and you can also see who got through with 
what.

On a side note I was looking at gateway and dell for potential ready made 
firewalls. They both seem to offer easily configurable purpose built 
machines (eg gateways micros server or dell's power web server). Are there 
any problems with these servers? I am worried that they may not be fully 
configurable and updatable and was wondering if anyone has had any 
experience with these sort of servers. Is it better to just get a regular 
pc and set it all up manually?
We kind of need a quick solution as productivity is suffering due to the 
effect that the compromise has had (DOS effects when the person assumes the 
identity of another machine on our  network)

Again, thanks in advance,
Paul

At 01:32 PM 6/05/2001 +1000, Del wrote:
> >  What I'd like to be able to do before I set up said firewall is
> > set up a sort of packet sniffer box in between the internet and one of the
> > servers that this person is using. Hopefully to find out who they are and
> > what they are doing.
>
>Right answer, wrong problem.
>
>Who they are is a relayed attack through some other compromised machine
>somewhere else, probably in Brazil, Pakistan, Greece, or Saudi Arabia.
>That compromised machine is probably relaying data from a third machine
>which in turn relays from a fourth ... etc.  You may have to involve
>Interpol in a search for the real hacker, or at least CERT.
>
>What are they doing?  Probably going around the internet seeing how
>many m4ch1n3s th3y can 0wn3d l1k3 y00r s0rry 4rs3 b3cuz th3y 4r3
>1337 d00d!  If you're really lucky they might actually do something
>useful with your machine, like D0S M1cr0s0ft!!!
>
>It's not worth your trouble.  Besides, who cares?
>
>Find out how they got in.  My guess:  Because you didn't have a firewall.
>End of answer.  Once you have that answer, find out how to keep them out.
>I think you can guess the answer to that one.
>
>Believe me, tracking hackers back to home base is just not worth it.
>Besides, once your hacker is kicked out of his dial-up account for h4x0ring
>your b0x, they'll just use one of the other 500 or so accounts they managed
>to get off the phreakers mailing lists.  If it's really important that you
>track the guy down because there's some kind of industrial espionage issue
>going on and you want to prosecute, then call in the experts to do it.
>
>Del
>
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Re: [SLUG] Why RedHat sucks

[Van Ly]

On  6 May 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > In this information age, we ordinary people have everything to lose to the
> > few powerful people who would prefer us to be ignorant. Those powerful
> > people come in all shades of blue (capitalists) and red (commies).
> 
> Which begs the question: Capitalists and Communists can't be "ordinary
> people"?
> 
>--> slug-chat!
> 

I can't see how you can make that inference.

Capitalists, Communists and Clowns can be ordinary people.

There is nothing that I said that would exclude ordinary people from
being whatever they can be, however, that they should be ignorant is a
desireable outcome in the minds of a *few*.

Whatever.

> - Jeff
> 
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