Re: [SLUG] Vgetty

2003-10-01 Thread Dave Kempe
I haven't successfully setup vgetty, but I would be willing to bet the
modems you tried are the same rockwell chipset.
If I recall from my research (about 1 year ago), the rockwell chipset
was support, but there was something about it that made it suck a bit.
It did work tho.
have you tried the VoCP people?

dave


On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 09:21, Gonzalo Servat wrote:
 Has anyone successfully setup vgetty and can point me in the right
 direction to determine whether either of these modems will work with it?


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Re: [SLUG] Vgetty

2003-10-01 Thread Gonzalo Servat
On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 17:24, Dave Kempe wrote:
 I haven't successfully setup vgetty, but I would be willing to bet the
 modems you tried are the same rockwell chipset.
 If I recall from my research (about 1 year ago), the rockwell chipset
 was support, but there was something about it that made it suck a bit.
 It did work tho.
 have you tried the VoCP people?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they are the same Rockwell chipset.
I haven't tried them yet, simply because they only provide a frontend to
Vgetty and I would have expected them to, in their own right, tell me to
go elsewhere for help on getting Vgetty working. I suppose it can't hurt
to try.

Regards,
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Re: [SLUG] Vgetty

2003-10-01 Thread Kevin Saenz
I have a lucent chipset and still I have no joy in getting Vgetty
working. So far my project is on the backburner.
 Hi All,
 
 Been trying to get vgetty working with a couple of voice modems. I have
 a WebExcel Voice/Fax/Data V.90/K56Flex and a X-Link 56k Voice/Fax/Data
 modem.
 
 Essentially I don't know which modem to use from the list of vgetty
 supported modems. There is a script called 'vgetty-test.pl' that comes
 with the VoCP package (it's a frontend to vgetty) which basically tries
 to play a sound file on every supported vgetty modem. In my case, the
 tests fail on both modems.
 
 Has anyone successfully setup vgetty and can point me in the right
 direction to determine whether either of these modems will work with it?
 
 Also, I've tried emailing the mgetty list but it's fairly inactive so I
 thought I'd try SLUG.
 
 Thanks in advance for any help.
 
 Regards,
 Gonzalo
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[SLUG] Opera leaking lots of memory...

2003-10-01 Thread Gonzalo Servat
Hi All,

We now have water restrictions... now if only there was memory leak
restrictions. /bad joke

Every single day Opera seems to take approximately ~8 hours to leak
enough memory to make this system lag beyond hope. Occasionally I get
the chance to open an Xterm (after waiting half an hour) and kill Opera
(another half hour) which brings things back to normal, but more often
than not I give up after waiting long enough and reboot the box.

I go to sleep and almost always wake up to a frozen screen, which makes
sense as sleeping takes ~8 hours. Then it freezes again at ~5PM, which
also makes sense.

I'm using Opera 7.11 which is the latest stable version running on 
RedHat 9 kernel 2.4.20-19.7.

Any ideas what may be causing it?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Gonzalo

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Re: [SLUG] ADMIN: Spam, how we're fighting it, and why you should stop talking about it...

2003-10-01 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:24:06 +1000
Mary Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In response to recent spam that got passed onto [EMAIL PROTECTED] we
 have:
 
  - upgraded SpamAssassin to version 2.60 which no longer gives negative
scores to mails with valid In-Reply-To and References headers;
 
  - considerably customised the SpamAssassin scores based on spam that SA
wasn't catching; and
 
  - added further header checks.


Thanks Mary and Peter.

Despite all the whinging (most of it from one person) I do believe 
that you are doing a good job of keeping as much spam as possible off 
the list. Obviously its not perfect, but I also don't think it ever can 
be. 

My only real suggestion is that the person who looks after the
mailing list whitelists all SLUG mail going to their own account
so they are better able to monitor the spam level on the list
and tweak the filters as required.

Erik
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Re: [SLUG] (OT) IP number geographic locations

2003-10-01 Thread DaZZa
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, David wrote:

 Is there a way of figuring out what IP numbers are located in .au?

 I know I can reverse look up and test for .au but that doesn't always
 work. I assume that somewhere there must be a list of allocations.

Good luck.

IP allocation is now so hodge-podge that one part of an IP block {a class
A netblock for example} could be in the US, one part in Singapore, one
part in Aust and other parts in Europe - or anywhere else.

VLSM makes life difficult. If I really want to find out where an IP is, I
traceroute to it and figure it out from the previous hop.

DaZZa

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Re: [SLUG] talks

2003-10-01 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:08:52 +1000
Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've put the slides from my talks up (finally!)
 
 http://www.robertcollins.net/talks/

I'd just like to take the time to thank Ron for his Arch/TLA talk.
I have been playing with it myself over the last couple of days and I
really like what I see.

As backgound, I have been using CVS for ages (poorly) but was never 
quite happy with it. The lack of atomic commits and the difficult of
enforcing policy were my main gripes but certainly not the only ones.

I have also had three attempts to use Peter Miller's Aegis which Peter
demoed at SLUG earlier this year. As much as I liked the ideas behind 
Aegis, I was simply not able to use if for my main projects which rely 
quite heavily on autoconf/automake/libtool. Aegis simply does not play 
well with these tools. It also lacks (out of the box anyway) any way 
of doing distributed development.

TLA however seems to be able to (almost) cover my needs. It has atomic
commits and it does distributed development. The one place where TLA
currently misses the mark is the ability to run scripts on commit which
can fail the commit if say the code fails to build. However, I spent
about 10 minutes hacking around in the the TLA code (very clean and
well organised) I came up with a patch will provide this facility. Now 
I just have to hope that Tom Lord et al will accept it :-).

So, thanks again Rob (and Tom).

Erik
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Re: [SLUG] hard disk copy

2003-10-01 Thread Shaun Oliver
only way I can see is 
zip the entire contents of the drive in rescue mode with some linux boot
disks or with knopix
well I'm sorry I'll restate the above to say tar and then gzip my bad,
then repartition that 60 gb drive
and gunzip then untar again with rescue floppies or knopix
and you should be goot to go.
been there done that.

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Re: [SLUG] ADMIN: Spam, how we're fighting it, and why you should stop talking about it...

2003-10-01 Thread Jan Schmidt
quote who=Erik de Castro Lopo
 
 My only real suggestion is that the person who looks after the
 mailing list whitelists all SLUG mail going to their own account
 so they are better able to monitor the spam level on the list
 and tweak the filters as required.
 

Thanks Erik, several of us have done this on our local spamassassin 
installs in the last few days.

Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.

2003-10-01 Thread Grant Parnell
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Ken Foskey wrote:

 On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:16, Tony Green wrote:
 
  I'd be stunned if that ever happened.  Though I do think if there is to
  be a change to the list setup, it should be decided by a vote of the
  financial members.
 
 Let's cut the BS and really put it to the vote...
 
 As a financial member I would like to propose a motion for the next
 meeting that we vote on the slug mailing list.
 
 a) Leaving it alone.  
 b) Moving to a moderated list.
 c) Changing it to a members only list.
 d) Changing it to a financial members only list.

How about we add my proposal of making non-member posts subject to having 
the email address validated much like you do when subscribing. Then we can 
make posting to the list available to members plus a list of validated 
exceptions. The validation may optionally expire after an arbitrary period 
of say 3 months.

While we're at it, another idea would be to limit cross-posting. IE if you 
want to send to slug send it to slug and maybe the person you're replying 
to only.

How would this be done technically? Possibly a procmail filter that just
checks if the sender is on a) main list or b) exception list, if not,
generate a 'subscribe' request on the sender's behalf to the 'exceptions'
mailing list that cannot be posted to, they would then have to subscribe
to the exceptions list. If they're on either a) or b) lists forward onto 
normal mailman stuff.

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Re: [SLUG] HTTP_REFERER not found [Repost]

2003-10-01 Thread Del

That's exactly how I found my way onto this list.  :)
And I do agree whole-heartedly about: 
there is a difference between how do i do XYZ and please teach me how
to write a dynamic web application,
Yup, fair cop.

Note that my post on why I won't answer this sort of question
on the SLUG list was more philosophical.  I guess I had two
main points: (a) I reserve the right to charge for doing
work that I think I should be able to charge for, while
still answering questions that are simple and easy and about
doing XYZ, and (b) Louis (Hi Louis!) is going to be in serious
danger if he proceeds down the passing-variables-via-GET method
of web programming and probably needs some more serious help
than can be provided in a 2 minute QA session on SLUG.
There is also only so much you can learn by asking [relatively] simple
questions 
like those passed around here (some are not quite so simple, but the
majority are)
The rest we'll have to dig deeper...
Agreed, and I guess this was one of my points.

Louis:  It might be reasonably easy to get your HTTP variables
passed around by the method you're talking about but you're
going to at least need to find a good book on CGI and perl and
read a bit about web security to find out why it's a really
bad idea to try to do what you're doing, except for very
trivial applications.
i.e. you might get a simple answer to a simple problem here,
but I think you're going to end up with the right answer to
the wrong problem.
Unrelated web programming add-on:  There is a Sydney PHP
user group meeting on tomorrow (Thursday 2nd October) at
UTS.  Details here:
http://sydney.ug.php.net/

sydney.ug.php.net is not associated with SLUG, or the folks
who make PHP (but they let us use an A record in their domain).
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Re: [SLUG] Securing Your Web Server - (OP12181637)

2003-10-01 Thread Pete de Zwart
Bloody Verisign and their distateful antics. Sounds like it's time they got
placed in a nice BGP black hole.

Around about 0630h 01/10/2003, VeriSign Internet Sales emitted the following bogons:
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Re: [SLUG] Financial Membership

2003-10-01 Thread Grant Parnell
EverythingLinux used to accept SLUG memberships but had to cease doing so
back in July 2000 as the committee could not supply an ABN. Has this
changed? If so perhaps it's time to revisit the option. Of course there's 
always Direct Deposits if the account details could be made public. Who 
knows, people might make donations too :-)

On 29 Sep 2003, Bruce Badger wrote:

 On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 13:23, DaZZa wrote:
  On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Jan Schmidt wrote:
  
   Details on becoming a financial member are available here:
   http://www.slug.org.au/membership.html
  
  Dare I ask if any progress has been made on accepting membership remotely?
  
  I am unable to get to SLUG meetings - my work pattern is too varied to
  allow me the time - and while I'm perfectly willing to become a financial
  member again, there seems to be (still) no provision for anything other
  than paying by attending a meeting.
 
 OpenSkills is in the process of setting up to accept payments through
 PayMate.  This is a low hassle, low outlay but high % per transaction
 charge service. It will add ~ a couple of dollars onto a SLUG
 membership.
 
 Payments are made by completing a form on the PayMates site pecifying
 o a target email account (e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 o credit card details
 o amount to pay
 
 The form is here: https://www.paymate.com.au/PayMate/PaymateExpress
 
 Both parties get confirmation email, and the money (less fees) is put in
 the target bank account.
 
 I'd be happy to keep the SLUG committee up to date with our initial
 experience with PayMate.  Also, I'd be *very* interested in hearing
 about any alternatives (except PayPal).
 
 All the best,
   Bruce 
 

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[SLUG] RE: Welcome to our Windows Newsletter!

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Re: [SLUG] RE: Welcome to our Windows Newsletter!

2003-10-01 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 x The IP address used to subscribe this email address to
   our mailing list is: 203.10.46.62

And from recent posts to the SLUG mailing lists (correlate reverse DNS):

  Received: from mandark ([203.10.46.54])
by marn1.acu.edu.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.12)
with ESMTP id 2003093014453265:19566 ;
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It's not the first time, either.

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Re: [SLUG] RE: Welcome to our Windows Newsletter!

2003-10-01 Thread umug
Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 x The IP address used to subscribe this email address to
   our mailing list is: 203.10.46.62

 And from recent posts to the SLUG mailing lists (correlate reverse DNS):

   Received: from mandark ([203.10.46.54])
 by marn1.acu.edu.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.12)
 with ESMTP id 2003093014453265:19566 ;
 Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:45:32 +1000

 It's not the first time, either.

http://www.acu.edu.au/staff/index.cfm?app=phonephonebook=1

Look them up and give them a call.

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Re: [SLUG] RE: Welcome to our Windows Newsletter!

2003-10-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:34:18AM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  x The IP address used to subscribe this email address to
our mailing list is: 203.10.46.62
 
  And from recent posts to the SLUG mailing lists (correlate reverse DNS):
 
Received: from mandark ([203.10.46.54])
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  It's not the first time, either.
 
 http://www.acu.edu.au/staff/index.cfm?app=phonephonebook=1

Hands up who knows where Jon Biddell works.

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Fer christ's sake, Jon, if you're going to forge subscribe slug lists to
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Re: [SLUG] Financial Membership

2003-10-01 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 07:40, David wrote:
 
 
SNIP
 
 Direct deposit is an excellent way of managing payments. I do it all the
 time in my business for payments and receipts and it's the most hassle
 free way of doing things, with the least fees. I assume SLUG has a bank
 account?

It is an excellent device - but note that it works only on account
numbers even though there is a slot for the payee's name. The Banking
Ombudsman, now the Banking and Financial Services Ombudsman has
recently considered this to be one of the major problems that they have
had to deal with:see Bulletin 35 at http://www.abio.org.au

Use it, but double check the numbers.

Cheers,
Alan
 
 
 
 
 
  On 29 Sep 2003, Bruce Badger wrote:
 
   On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 13:23, DaZZa wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Jan Schmidt wrote:
   
 Details on becoming a financial member are available here:
 http://www.slug.org.au/membership.html
   
Dare I ask if any progress has been made on accepting membership remotely?
   
I am unable to get to SLUG meetings - my work pattern is too varied to
allow me the time - and while I'm perfectly willing to become a financial
member again, there seems to be (still) no provision for anything other
than paying by attending a meeting.
  
   OpenSkills is in the process of setting up to accept payments through
   PayMate.  This is a low hassle, low outlay but high % per transaction
   charge service. It will add ~ a couple of dollars onto a SLUG
   membership.
  
   Payments are made by completing a form on the PayMates site pecifying
   o a target email account (e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED])
   o credit card details
   o amount to pay
  
   The form is here: https://www.paymate.com.au/PayMate/PaymateExpress
  
   Both parties get confirmation email, and the money (less fees) is put in
   the target bank account.
  
   I'd be happy to keep the SLUG committee up to date with our initial
   experience with PayMate.  Also, I'd be *very* interested in hearing
   about any alternatives (except PayPal).
  
   All the best,
 Bruce
  
 
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Re: [SLUG] Vgetty

2003-10-01 Thread Grant Parnell
Works just fine with my Dynalink VQE1456 (model No from memory). Perhaps 
lookup the manufacturer's site to see if you can find a technical manual 
that lists the supported commands, particularly the voice ones and use a 
terminal program such as minicom to just try them out manually - at the 
very least it should tell you what it can and can't do.

One thing... sometimes the default output device doesen't make sense, when 
using the 'vm' command eg 'vm play'. Actually, the 'vm' command is 
completely independent of the vgetty binary, it just uses the config to 
find out which modem to talk to which is probably how the test suite uses 
it.

Of course... have you tried something basic like getting the modem to 
dialup something?

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Gonzalo Servat wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 Been trying to get vgetty working with a couple of voice modems. I have
 a WebExcel Voice/Fax/Data V.90/K56Flex and a X-Link 56k Voice/Fax/Data
 modem.
 
 Essentially I don't know which modem to use from the list of vgetty
 supported modems. There is a script called 'vgetty-test.pl' that comes
 with the VoCP package (it's a frontend to vgetty) which basically tries
 to play a sound file on every supported vgetty modem. In my case, the
 tests fail on both modems.
 
 Has anyone successfully setup vgetty and can point me in the right
 direction to determine whether either of these modems will work with it?
 
 Also, I've tried emailing the mgetty list but it's fairly inactive so I
 thought I'd try SLUG.
 
 Thanks in advance for any help.
 
 Regards,
 Gonzalo
 
 

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Re: [SLUG] Vgetty

2003-10-01 Thread Gonzalo Servat
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 08:48, Grant Parnell wrote:
 Works just fine with my Dynalink VQE1456 (model No from memory). Perhaps 
 lookup the manufacturer's site to see if you can find a technical manual 
 that lists the supported commands, particularly the voice ones and use a 
 terminal program such as minicom to just try them out manually - at the 
 very least it should tell you what it can and can't do.

I tried this. I fought long and hard to find a manual for this X-Link. I
went to www.xlink.com.au and the website has broken links galore so I
whois'ed the domain and called the owners and they barely know who
X-Link are and I got a name from them and he wasn't around, etc... I
rather get this Webexcel working though instead of the X-Link but at
this point any of the two will do.

 One thing... sometimes the default output device doesen't make sense, when 
 using the 'vm' command eg 'vm play'. Actually, the 'vm' command is 
 completely independent of the vgetty binary, it just uses the config to 
 find out which modem to talk to which is probably how the test suite uses 
 it.

Yeah, I tried a few different output devices... internal mic/speaker,
dialup line + {int,ext} mic/speaker, etc... none worked. The modem
errored on the init commands every time for every modem.

 Of course... have you tried something basic like getting the modem to 
 dialup something?

Yep, dialout as a regular modem is fine. I've not tested any of its
voice capabilities yet.

Thanks for your reply Grant.

Regards,
Gonzalo

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Re: [SLUG] (OT) IP number geographic locations

2003-10-01 Thread Grant Parnell
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Matthew Palmer wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 08:15:23AM +1000, David wrote:
  Is there a way of figuring out what IP numbers are located in .au?
  
  I know I can reverse look up and test for .au but that doesn't always
  work. I assume that somewhere there must be a list of allocations.
 
 ARIN keeps a list of first-level allocations.  A whois query to
 whois.arin.net for the IP address of interest should provide you with a
 record, from which you can retrieve the country code and see if it evaluates
 to AU.  Try it - run 'whois 203.1.2.3 | grep ^country:' in a terminal. 
 Lovely.   Repeat with any IP address you like, maybe even write a bit of awk
 or sed or something to strip out everything except the country code.
 
 Problem is, that ARIN (like most whois operators) doesn't want everyone
 hammering their whois servers, so if you make more than a certain number of
 queries in a certain time period, the server will just stop answering you
 for a while (a day or two, normally).  Not what you're after, I'm sure.

I assumed you meant whois ip@whois.arin.net and you could basically 
cache the NetRange: part depending on your application. EG if you just 
care whether it's Australia or not.

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Re: [SLUG] (OT) IP number geographic locations

2003-10-01 Thread Gavin Carr
One fast way to do this is via Perl - try installing any of these from CPAN:

  Geo::IP
  Geo::IP::PurePerl
  Geo::IPfree

Cheers,
Gavin

On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 10:11:46AM +1000, Tim White wrote:
  ARIN keeps a list of first-level allocations.  A whois query 
  to whois.arin.net for the IP address of interest should 
  provide you with a record, from which you can retrieve the 
  country code and see if it evaluates to AU.  Try it - run 
  'whois 203.1.2.3 | grep ^country:' in a terminal. 
  Lovely.   Repeat with any IP address you like, maybe even 
  write a bit of awk
  or sed or something to strip out everything except the country code.
 
 Once you find out who ARIN has allocated the IP range to, you can usually go 
 and check their whois server.
 
 An example would be to do 'whois 203.1.2.3 @whois.apnic.net'. This will give
 you the name and address that APNIC have allocated the IP address to. Often
 these will be ISPs, some of whom have their own whois servers and so on.

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RE: [SLUG] HTTP_REFERER not found [Repost]

2003-10-01 Thread Jared Pritchard
Louis (Hi Louis!) is going to be in serious
danger if he proceeds down the passing-variables-via-GET method
of web programming

lol  :P

POST is better - but only coz it's invisible to the human
eye. Session variables are better still, but use in moderation...
Also a good dose of SSL won't hurt  ;)

And I love databases! Very satsifying to see all your
data saved efficiently and cleanly - with easy access later.

But I leave that up to you Louis...  check out some different methods,
or maybe get some professional help :)


-Jazza

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Re: [SLUG] Cups printing on Debian Woody

2003-10-01 Thread scott
Hi All,
I have found a little more information, that I am hoping someone can help 
me correct.
I put the logging in cups upto debug, I get no error message in there, but 
what I do get specifically is:

D [02/Oct/2003:10:31:57 +1000] gs command: cat

Why would be gs command be cat? that would explain why the printer is 
printing Postscript info, but I cannot find where this is being called 
from.

Does anyone have any pointers?

Thanks,

Scott
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[SLUG] OpenOffice.org 1.1

2003-10-01 Thread Simon Males
No one has broken the ice here yet but OpenOffice.org 1.1 is out (latest 
release previously was 1.0.3). One of most funky things is putting the 
export to PDF on the toolbar (no fiddling with printers, and not can PDF 
easy on windows if need be).

Twas officially announced in my inbox at 2am today, but its been syncing 
since the weekend. Also beware the new sun logo'd splash screen(*). Its 
also the same a RC5.

Kinda newbie feature list, with more/better links towards end:
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/1.1/
(*)
http://framework.openoffice.org/unbranded-source/browse/~checkout~/framework/offmgr/res/Attic/openintro_sun.bmp?rev=1.1.2.1content-type=image/bmp
What next?
Apart from 1.1.x's, OOo next major release is 2.0 (hopefully where 
Ximian's art comes in).

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[SLUG] The Infopackets Gazette -- Oct/01 (Wed)

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Re: [SLUG] The Infopackets Gazette -- Oct/01 (Wed)

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[SLUG] Spam Subscriptions

2003-10-01 Thread Allan Bogasti
I've just read Jeff Waugh's totally inaccurate and childish attempt to intimidate 
me

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I subscribed no-one to anything, however I did discover how it happened.

I use Windows at home for some things, including VPN'ing into work to manage servers.

I had a virus that came in through Outlook that I didn't catch - this virus nuked my 
address book.

I have had reports from others who's addresses I have that they have been subscribed 
as well...

Sorry - not my fault (well, not directly)

Jeff, you are pathetic  The IP you posted is a proxy that is at my employer, 
anything else happened from HOME.

I'm unsubscribing now... Byebye, wankers

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Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.

2003-10-01 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003, Grant Parnell wrote:
 How about we add my proposal of making non-member posts subject to
 having the email address validated much like you do when subscribing.
 Then we can make posting to the list available to members plus a list
 of validated exceptions. The validation may optionally expire after an
 arbitrary period of say 3 months.

If we do close the list, it's probably best to limit the options to
those that Mailman 2.1 (our mail software) makes relatively easy, rather
than have a policy that requires we maintain additional software to
implement the policy.

Mailman *can* do any of open posting, closed to subscribers only, or all
posts moderated.

Also, Mailman does have an accept filter -- a list of non-subscribed
addresses that can post without being held for moderation, so it would
certainly be possible to add people to that (probably when they try to
post from an unsubscribed address for the first time), but it doesn't
have a expiry feature.

 How would this be done technically? Possibly a procmail filter that
 just checks if the sender is on a) main list or b) exception list, if
 not, generate a 'subscribe' request on the sender's behalf to the
 'exceptions' mailing list that cannot be posted to, they would then
 have to subscribe to the exceptions list. If they're on either a) or
 b) lists forward onto normal mailman stuff.

Mailman doesn't maintain the non subscribed, can post list as a
separate *mailing list*, it's just a list of addresses somewhere in its
database. So you can't *subscribe* to it. The closest equivalent is
subscribing to the main list and then turning list delivery off, and
that's a two step process. Most closed lists do end up saying something
like if you want to post from a second address, subscribe it and turn
list delivery off. Whether we'd choose maintaining an accept filter, or
asking people to subscribe their other address with delivery off, or
some combination, would be up to the admins probably, in the event of
the vote being in favour of a closed list.

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Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.

2003-10-01 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003, Mary Gardiner wrote:
 it's probably best to limit the options to those that Mailman 2.1 (our
 mail software) makes relatively easy

That should read list software -- slug.org.au's MTA is Postfix. Since
not all list admins have the ability to change the Postfix setup, it
would still be vastly preferable if list policies could be implemented
using Mailman features only (and there's no reason why that can't be the
case for any of the current proposals).

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Re: [SLUG] Spam Subscriptions

2003-10-01 Thread Tony Green
Jon (or Allan if you'd prefer),

The machine that subscribed to the lists was the same as the machine
you're using at the moment.  Since we know you're at work, that casts
doubt on the whole 'home machine' argument.

I've also never heard of a virus that signs people up for random mailing
lists, mind you I don't pay attention to outlook virii so I can't be
sure about that one.

Your machine is called 'mandark' (as evidenced here by a SMTP log from
one of your emails)

Sep 29 16:14:27 flute sm-mta[29152]: h8T6EReK029152:
from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1805, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED], proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
relay=mail.mary.acu.EDU.AU [203.10.46.15]


mandark  was the requester for the subscription to the windows
newsletter :
Received: from mandark ([203.10.46.54])
 by marn1.acu.edu.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.12)
 with ESMTP id 2003093014453265:19566 ;
 Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:45:32 +1000

The odds on a conincidental virus (which causes subscribtions to spam
lists) infecting your machine at the same time that you're berating
everyone in SLUG for not doing anything about SPAM are pretty high.

If it truly is a virus, then please ensure you clean your machine to
stop any future subscriptions coming from your address.  Perhaps I could
suggest not using your work machine for private emails, this would also
solve the problem.

Your abusive attitude is not welcome on the list.  We do not want more
swearing, more threats or more tantrums.

Just stop Jon.  No more follow-ups, no more threats, no more swearing,
no more childish pranks.  Just stop, unsubscribe if you wish, just stop.

I'm sure your employeer would rather you got on with more productive
work.

TG

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 12:00, Allan Bogasti wrote:
 I've just read Jeff Waugh's totally inaccurate and childish attempt to intimidate 
 me
 
 HAHAHAHAHAHA
 
 I subscribed no-one to anything, however I did discover how it happened.
 
 I use Windows at home for some things, including VPN'ing into work to manage servers.
 
 I had a virus that came in through Outlook that I didn't catch - this virus nuked my 
 address book.
 
 I have had reports from others who's addresses I have that they have been subscribed 
 as well...
 
 Sorry - not my fault (well, not directly)
 
 Jeff, you are pathetic  The IP you posted is a proxy that is at my employer, 
 anything else happened from HOME.
 
 I'm unsubscribing now... Byebye, wankers
 
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Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.

2003-10-01 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Mary Gardiner

 Mailman doesn't maintain the non subscribed, can post list as a
 separate *mailing list*, it's just a list of addresses somewhere in its
 database.

Although, just as a detail, it can do that too.

You can specify that subscribers of particular mailing lists can also have
unmoderated posting access to your list. There's a dirty hack on the GNOME
Mailman that allows subscribers of the post-only mailing list to mail any
other list without being moderated. It's a pretty cool feature for a server
with many lists, and plenty of (almost institutionalised) cross-posting.

- Jeff

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[SLUG] RE: Grow up

2003-10-01 Thread Jon Biddell
Why don't you go to hell ?  You are one gutless child...  I *can* trace
your phone call should I need to bother... And the Police HAVE been
informed

And lay off the mobile too, git..

Committee, this is the kind of childish prat you used to have on your
committee...

-= -Original Message-
-= From: Tony Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
-= Sent: Thursday, 2 October 2003 12:54 PM
-= To: Jon Biddell
-= Subject: RE: Grow up
-= 
-= 
-= On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 12:53, Jon Biddell wrote:
-=  Any more harassing phone calls like that and the Police will be 
-=  informed...  And you can pass that to thSLUG fuckwit who 
-= just called 
-=  my mobile as well
-=  
-= 
-= Hi, is that Jon... yes it is.Ah, Hi, just wanted 
-= to check, are you in the office today yes I am 
-= OK, thanks hang up
-= 
-= Harassing?  If you say so.  Just need to back up the email 
-= I sent out.
-= 
-= Don't worry, I have no intention of talking to you again.
-= 
-= Have a nice life mate.
-= 
-= TG
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Re: [SLUG] Spam Subscriptions

2003-10-01 Thread Jan Schmidt
Can people please stop CC'ing slug on these emails?

J.
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RE:: [SLUG] Cups printing on Debian Woody - FIXED

2003-10-01 Thread scott
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02-10-2003 10:36:19 AM:

 Hi All,
 I have found a little more information, that I am hoping someone can 
help 
 me correct.
 I put the logging in cups upto debug, I get no error message in there, 
but 
 what I do get specifically is:
 
 D [02/Oct/2003:10:31:57 +1000] gs command: cat
 
 Why would be gs command be cat? that would explain why the printer is 
 printing Postscript info, but I cannot find where this is being called 
 from.
 
 Does anyone have any pointers?
 
I fixed the problem, so I'm posting my results if anyone is interested.
There seemed to be a problem with the HP 710 ppd that comes with 
cupsomatic-ppd
So I went to www.linuxprinting.org and download the ppd for the hp 7130, 
and also downloaded foomatic-rip  foomatic-wrapper, and it works.

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Re: [SLUG] Cups printing on Debian Woody - FIXED

2003-10-01 Thread James Gray
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02-10-2003 10:36:19 AM:
  Hi All,
  I have found a little more information, that I am hoping someone can

 help

  me correct.
  I put the logging in cups upto debug, I get no error message in there,

 but

  what I do get specifically is:
 
  D [02/Oct/2003:10:31:57 +1000] gs command: cat
 
  Why would be gs command be cat? that would explain why the printer is
  printing Postscript info, but I cannot find where this is being called
  from.
 
  Does anyone have any pointers?

 I fixed the problem, so I'm posting my results if anyone is interested.
 There seemed to be a problem with the HP 710 ppd that comes with
 cupsomatic-ppd
 So I went to www.linuxprinting.org and download the ppd for the hp 7130,
 and also downloaded foomatic-rip  foomatic-wrapper, and it works.

 Scott

Well done :-)  I went quiet coz I didn't have a clue where to go after my 
suggestions.  In my experience CUPS+foomatic Just Works(tm).  I guess your 
solution would be useful for other printers too.  It's good to know you can 
just insert an updated ppd - I might do this with HP2100 and Kyocera 3800 
drivers on my lapdog.

Thanks for the follow-up.  I was curious as to how it worked out for you :)

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[SLUG] Inbuilt macros/defines in gcc

2003-10-01 Thread Tiwari, Rajnish
Hi All,

How can I quickly find out what internal #defines are
set by gcc during compile ?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Rajnish

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Re: [SLUG] Inbuilt macros/defines in gcc

2003-10-01 Thread Kevin Saenz
Aren't they part of the .h files?

 Hi All,
 
   How can I quickly find out what internal #defines are
   set by gcc during compile ?
 
   Thanks in advance.
 
 Regards,
 Rajnish
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Re: [SLUG] Inbuilt macros/defines in gcc

2003-10-01 Thread John Clarke
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 02:24:44PM +1000, Tiwari, Rajnish wrote:

   How can I quickly find out what internal #defines are
   set by gcc during compile ?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ touch tmp.c
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gcc -E -dM tmp.c
#define __USER_LABEL_PREFIX__
#define __SIZE_TYPE__ unsigned int
#define __PTRDIFF_TYPE__ int
#define __HAVE_BUILTIN_SETJMP__ 1
#define __i386 1
#define __GNUC_PATCHLEVEL__ 0
#define __ELF__ 1
#define __WCHAR_TYPE__ long int
#define __NO_INLINE__ 1
#define __GNUC_MINOR__ 96
#define __WINT_TYPE__ unsigned int
#define __tune_i386__ 1
#define __unix 1
#define unix 1
#define __REGISTER_PREFIX__
#define __linux 1
#define __GNUC__ 2
#define i386 1
#define __linux__ 1
#define __VERSION__ 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-113)
#define __i386__ 1
#define linux 1
#define __unix__ 1

If you give it a real source file, you'll get *all* the #defines from
that file and everything it includes.


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Re: [SLUG] Inbuilt macros/defines in gcc

2003-10-01 Thread Chris Johns
Tiwari, Rajnish wrote:
How can I quickly find out what internal #defines are
set by gcc during compile ?
  $ gcc -dM -E - /dev/null

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Re: [SLUG] Inbuilt macros/defines in gcc

2003-10-01 Thread Dave Airlie

gcc -v show up wht is passed into cpp for my RH8.0 box, I can see all the
standard ones..

Dave.

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Tiwari, Rajnish wrote:

 Hi All,

   How can I quickly find out what internal #defines are
   set by gcc during compile ?

   Thanks in advance.

 Regards,
 Rajnish



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Re: [SLUG] Inbuilt macros/defines in gcc

2003-10-01 Thread John Clarke
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 02:31:38PM +1000, Kevin Saenz wrote:

 Aren't they part of the .h files?

Yes, but the compiler also defines some - some are internal (compiled
into gcc when it was built), some are based on command line switches
(try adding -march=i686 and see what changes) and others are from the
compiler's specs file - on a RH7.3 box, it's in:

/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs

The i386-redhat-linux is the machine triplet used to configure gcc,
2.96 is the version number.


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Re: [SLUG] YahooIM Protocol

2003-10-01 Thread Gavin Carr
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:58:55PM +1000, James Gray wrote:
 Quick question.  Has Yahoo changed their IM protocol?

Yep. There was a slashdot thread discussing it a week ago:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/17/2358240mode=threadtid=185tid=187

 I've worked around it by downloading the Yahoo Linux 
 (http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html) client and it's 
 working (complete with banner ads and other nastyness!).  However, I 
 preferred my single jabber client (Psi) being able to access all my IM 
 accounts.  Yes I know about EveryBuddy and other all-in-one clients, but 
 the other reason I'm running a jabber server is simply because it's open 
 (as in the Jabber protocol is an open source/standard).  

Well, both Everybuddy (ayttm) and Gaim stopped working too. Apparently Gaim 0.69 
works - I'm just compiling it up now. 

Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] YahooIM Protocol

2003-10-01 Thread David Gillies
Gavin Carr said:
 On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:58:55PM +1000, James Gray wrote:
 Well, both Everybuddy (ayttm) and Gaim stopped working too. Apparently
 Gaim 0.69
 works - I'm just compiling it up now.

Gaim 0.70 has been released now as well. I'm using it with Yahoo! and MSN
quite happily :-)
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