[SLUG] Ubuntu
Three cheers for the people who put this together. A truly generous bunch. I admire them enormously. However, it is well named Warthog. It is a swine for a beginner who is trying to connect to the internet via cable modem as I am. Live CD no problem, it worked easily. But, full install: frustration trying to get it alongside XP but after sacrificing XP and giving it the full disk, OK until a screaming halt trying to get Firefox up and running. We beginners are not full bottle on terminology and stuff. I know experts think they know this about us, but they really do not, they have forgotten how far down the bottom of the pecking order really is. Even the 'help' is not as helpful as beginners need. Try getting some beginners to advise if the 'help' really has been of help. Then rewrite it. A challenging opportunity exists for programmers to be able to communicate with ordinary folk who are supposed to be able to run a desktop. How does one invent an intuitional way to do things? This is not an invitation to go intellectual slumming but a suggestion that it is the only way to fulfill the dream of making Linux truly competitive with Windows for ordinary folk. A true reality bite. The intellectual giants will still be able to do their own esoteric stuff but they will also be able to think of how much they have benefitted the struggling mob. Glad I got that off my chest. Anyway, good on you Ubutu. Your heart and your principles are in the right place. I will persist and will be happy to be your friend and tell people about you and hand out the CDs you so kindly provided. John. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu
quote who=john gibbons However, it is well named Warthog. We kinda thought the first release would be warty, so we said so. ;-) But it turned out better than we thought it would be... But yes, plenty of room for improvement, and connectivity and documentation are two areas we know that need quite a bit of work. Thanks for your comments. - Jeff -- Ubuntu in Mataró, Spain: December 5th-18th http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ Everything I knew about TCP/IP I had downloaded the same day I started hacking the net code. - Alan Cox -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] New SLUG member, not so new Linux user =P
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 15:29 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:50:32 +1100 Stephen Merity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm obsessed with computer graphics (mainly 3D art/animation, and I use http://www.blender3d.org Blender, opensource 3D suite =P) . If you'd like to see some of my work, goto http://www.smerity.tk , just follow the prompts to Gallery 3D) Hey Stephen, Care to give a demo of Blender some time? Maybe a sluglet? I'd love a full length intro to Blender - I've never had the time to learn my way too far into the interface, and I'm jealous of the great results the experts get :) J. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] talks last night
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 10:43 +1100, Phil Scarratt wrote: Ken Foskey wrote: I would like to thank the three people from last night. These were extremely interesting talks. We had a talk on IP telephony. This was great and the idea of a IP phone that plugs into my network for overseas calls without a computer sounds great. (Easy is good right now...) Damn! I've really gotta make it to a meeting. :( This woulda been a good one to hear. Any chance of notes being posted? Wasn't recorded anywhere by any chance?? In fact the same applies to the other two Ken's mentioned below. Keep up the good work guys!! Sorry, I didn't think to turn the camera on until half way through, so I missed the talks. We've got a recording of Luke's awesome Accessibility talk though. Thanks Ken for the write-up - it's really great to see these after the meetings :) J. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Photoshop in Linux WAS [SLUG] Newbie -when is next slug meet?
i would have to agree, i find gimp to be vastly superior. im sure there are some features photoshop has over gimp but like all applications 90% of users only use 10% of features. generally i have found adobe products to just work 'differently' most applications seem to follow a certain logic, but adobe doesnt. this could be why people spend so much money learning to use them although i do like illustrator, the Free clones are coming along ok - but still not at the level gimp is. anyone with heaps of vector math knowledge care to write a free alternative to illustrator ;) Dean Heracles wrote: Rod Butcher wrote: Hi Patrick, can you spare a minute to give me a brief overview of what's required to achieve this ? I can't stand Gimp, and would love to be able to run Photoshop (I have V 4). Amazing, I have used Photoshop V4.5, 6 and 7 but find the latest version of the GIMP much better and definitely easier to use. Oh well, each to his own I guess. Stay well and happy Heracles -- WWW: http://dean.bong.com.au LAN: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] calendar app -- terminal
Stuart Guthrie wrote: lynx www.egroupware.org ? Speaking of which - is anyone aware of a good public web-based calendar service? (something a-la a public-access eGroupware server). Thanks, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] calendar app -- terminal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuart Guthrie wrote: lynx www.egroupware.org ? Speaking of which - is anyone aware of a good public web-based calendar service? (something a-la a public-access eGroupware server). Thanks, --Amos Don't yahoo or places like that offer some sort of calendaring? Might be worth looking there. Fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Photoshop in Linux WAS [SLUG] Newbie -when is next slug meet?
Final straw was trying to set transparent background. I was presented with techno-gobbledegook. I could do this sort of thing with PS 4 with no training. I need this for website graphics. M$ got rich by assuming users are idiots and building apps and install routines that idiots could follow (harking back to John Gibbons - I feel that the free / Opensource industry should cease development for 12 mths and concentrate on user-friendliness - that includes documentation, most of which states the facts but helps little.). When it comes to graphics I'm in that idiotcategory. Interesting that PS, though a professional tool, felt intuitive to me. my .05 c Rod On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 20:31 +1100, Dean Hamstead wrote: i would have to agree, i find gimp to be vastly superior. im sure there are some features photoshop has over gimp but like all applications 90% of users only use 10% of features. generally i have found adobe products to just work 'differently' most applications seem to follow a certain logic, but adobe doesnt. this could be why people spend so much money learning to use them although i do like illustrator, the Free clones are coming along ok - but still not at the level gimp is. anyone with heaps of vector math knowledge care to write a free alternative to illustrator ;) Dean Heracles wrote: Rod Butcher wrote: Hi Patrick, can you spare a minute to give me a brief overview of what's required to achieve this ? I can't stand Gimp, and would love to be able to run Photoshop (I have V 4). Amazing, I have used Photoshop V4.5, 6 and 7 but find the latest version of the GIMP much better and definitely easier to use. Oh well, each to his own I guess. Stay well and happy Heracles -- --- Brought to you by a penguin, a gnu and a camel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] calendar app --gt; terminal
Thanks. I took a look there and it looks promising. Cheers, --Amos From Phil Scarratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 29 Nov 2004: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuart Guthrie wrote: lynx www.egroupware.org ? Speaking of which - is anyone aware of a good public web-based calendar service? (something a-la a public-access eGroupware server). Thanks, --Amos Don't yahoo or places like that offer some sort of calendaring? Might be worth looking there. Fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Your email is protected by Mailshell -- To block spam or change delivery options: http://www.mailshell.com/control.html?a=balatsrial4tlprafm_jqupsjnpz1k ReturnPath.net http://rd.mailshell.com/ad481 Earn up to $3 for each of your friends who signs up with Mailshell! http://rd.mailshell.com/sp5 ___ The FREE service that prevents junk email http://www.mailshell.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu CDs available
Thanks Jeff, you reminded me: I have five gmail accounts to give away too! :) quote who=Elliott-Brennan That said, first five originals to the first five mailers - I'll reply to those who miss out - because it's polite to not keep you hanging on :)) *** Oof, I hope this doesn't turn out like gmail invites. Remember, that anyone can order them for free at shipit.ubuntulinux.org, and I have over 500 CDs (and counting) to hand out at various events. Don't waste your own - give them to people who haven't tried Linux, and who could do with your help! - Jeff *** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] sco site
anybody still awake this time of the nite??? check out http://www.sco.com boy oh boy.. defacement at it's best :) i'll try to save a copy of it .. but then it's better to check it out uself :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] sco site
moise lim wrote: anybody still awake this time of the nite??? check out http://www.sco.com boy oh boy.. defacement at it's best :) i'll try to save a copy of it .. but then it's better to check it out uself :) What, no All Your Code Are Belong To Us? Hehehe, I almost missed at first glance. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu CDs available
Elliott-Brennan wrote: Thanks Jeff, you reminded me: I have five gmail accounts to give away too! :) Me too (10 invitations). --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu CDs available
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Elliott-Brennan wrote: Thanks Jeff, you reminded me: I have five gmail accounts to give away too! Me too (10 invitations). Grr. If this has to go on, please take it to slug-chat. :-) - Jeff -- Ubuntu in Mataró, Spain: December 5th-18th http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ I'm offering you my body, and you're offering me semantics. - Caitlin, Clerks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] S/Mime signatures
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On Tue, Nov 30, 2004, Jeff Waugh wrote: Grr. If this has to go on, please take it to slug-chat. :-) Actually, take them to http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php instead, where no human being stands between you and your Gmail. -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Photoshop in Linux WAS [SLUG] Newbie
I can't say I know GIMP well enough to make comparisons. What I have read is that it's not good with CYMK and that restricts it's photo-graphic use.I've used PS for a few years and, well PS for me, though I'd like to know GIMP better - I wouldn't recommend buying PS unless you 'really' needed it. I recommend GIMP to friends on the basis of the little I do know - they don't 'need' PS. GIMP: I HATE the name. Can't help it :) Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu CDs available
Oh, I've also got tickets to the Dapto Under 60s Speed Patchwork Quilt Skins Comp. Any takers? They're free! LOL Elliott-Brennan wrote: Thanks Jeff, you reminded me: I have five gmail accounts to give away too! Me too (10 invitations). *** Grr. If this has to go on, please take it to slug-chat. :-) - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] VET affairs
Did anyone read the vet affairs article about looking for office suite replacements on news.com.au. The comment I was interested in was the reliability of the new system was very poor. No real details though. Anyone have any information on this? -- Ken Foskey OpenOffice.org programmer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] sco site
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 12:53:05AM +1100, Keith Hopkins wrote: moise lim wrote: anybody still awake this time of the nite??? check out http://www.sco.com boy oh boy.. defacement at it's best :) i'll try to save a copy of it .. but then it's better to check it out uself :) What, no All Your Code Are Belong To Us? Hehehe, I almost missed at first glance. Gone now :-( If you got a copy of it, I suspect some of us would like to see it. Regards Glen -- Glen Lewis Phone: 02 9966 8406 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Photoshop vs. GIMP
Heracles wrote: Amazing, I have used Photoshop V4.5, 6 and 7 but find the latest version of the GIMP much better and definitely easier to use. Oh well, each to his own I guess. The user interface is different. That can be re-learnt. But if you want pantone(registered) colours you'r out of luck with the GIMP. Mike -- Michael Lake Chemistry, Materials Forensic Science, UTS Ph: 9514 1725 Fx: 9514 1460 -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] sco site
check out http://www.sco.com boy oh boy.. defacement at it's best :) i'll try to save a copy of it .. but then it's better to check it out uself :) What, no All Your Code Are Belong To Us? Hehehe, I almost missed at first glance. Gone now :-( If you got a copy of it, I suspect some of us would like to see it. There's a screenshot here: http://www.zone-h.org/files/77/sco.com.jpg - Rog -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: sco site
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 11:41:50PM +1100, moise lim wrote: check out http://www.sco.com boy oh boy.. defacement at it's best :) It was a particularly impressive defacement. I can't agree with the principle, but the implementation was one of the finest examples of the craft. - Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Photoshop in Linux WAS [SLUG] Newbie
On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 01:22 +1100, Elliott-Brennan wrote: GIMP: I HATE the name. Can't help it :) Geeez, undo a button or two ;) I personally get a little amusement from peoples reactions when I say Nevermind, I'll bring out the GIMP to fix it... or nothing the GIMP can't fix, etc. You get the idea, anyway. Not too hard to turn something you don't like into a positive. -- Well, we're certainly going to maintain the existing level of funding for labourmarket programs. --John Howard (Address to Youth, Macgregor, 20 February 1996) The Truth: Kerry O'Brien: Now, for all the people on those labour market programs, I would suggest it to them that would have been a pretty core promise and you've broken it. John Howard: Well, it is true that we are not spending as much money on labourmarket programs. --John Howard (ABC 7:30 Report, 21 August 1996) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Photoshop in Linux WAS [SLUG] Newbie -when is next slug meet?
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 20:48 +1100, Rod Butcher wrote: Final straw was trying to set transparent background. I was presented with techno-gobbledegook. File - New - Fill Type: Transparent or in an existing image: Layer - New Layer - Layer Fill Type: Transparent Doesn't come a whole lot more straight forward than that. To make the transparent layer your background in an existing image takes the same layer manipulation skills as Photoshop ie: raise layer, lower layer etc, all two clicks away. -- We have no intention of introducing a loans scheme with a real or indeed any other rate of interest. --John Howard (in Parliament, 18 October 1999) The Truth: Debts accrued under FEE-HELP will be indexed to the consumer price index . . . A loan fee of 20 per cent will apply to FEE-HELP loans for undergraduate courses of study only. --Higher Education Loan Programme (Department of Education, Science and Training Update, March 2004) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Newbie -when is next slug meet? is 4/12 install fest next best meet to get gen lowdown? what's SLUG relationship with CAT?
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 11:03 +1100, Brian Goddard wrote: -what's SLUG relationship with CAT: http://cat.org.au/ Many SLUGers will still be reading that URL and may not have even heard of CAT before. There's no official or even casual connection between SLUG and CAT. Both serve very different community needs. There is, however, some cross-over between people involved in CAT and people who are part of the SLUG community. One of the best examples would be the late predator. There's also a great deal of involvement within the SLUG community with NGO's and other community groups in general. Was there a particular relationship between SLUG and CAT you were seeking? -- Australian people have been told things only to be disappointed after an election ... I want to change that. I want to change it because I think it is important to the future of our country that we rebuild a sense of trust and confidence in words given and commitments made by our political leaders. --More Irony by John Howard (1996 Election Policy Speech) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Newbie -when is next slug meet? is 4/12 install fest nextbest meet to get gen lowdown? what's SLUG relationship with CAT?
Craige McWhirter wrote: On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 11:03 +1100, Brian Goddard wrote: -what's SLUG relationship with CAT: http://cat.org.au/ There's also a great deal of involvement within the SLUG community with NGO's and other community groups in general. Was there a particular relationship between SLUG and CAT you were seeking? A google search of slugs and cats show . http://www.nightmarezone.de/cinemastrange/catslug.htm :-) Mike -- Michael Lake Chemistry, Materials Forensic Science, UTS Ph: 9514 1725 Fx: 9514 1460 -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Photoshop in Linux WAS [SLUG] Newbie -when is next slug meet?
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Craige McWhirter wrote: On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 20:48 +1100, Rod Butcher wrote: Final straw was trying to set transparent background. I was presented with techno-gobbledegook. File - New - Fill Type: Transparent or in an existing image: Layer - New Layer - Layer Fill Type: Transparent I spent 10 years learning photoshop, and it took me an annoying one month to get the hang of GIMP. I kept expecting it to work EXACTLY the same as photoshop. This thread made me wonder: If people were brought up on Gnu/Linux the way most people are brought up on Windows, would they then find linux really easy, and Windows counter-intuitive and confusing? Is it simply what you learn first that defines what you find easy? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Photoshop in Linux WAS [SLUG] Newbie -when is next slug meet?
Hi all David wrote: I spent 10 years learning photoshop, and it took me an annoying one month to get the hang of GIMP. I kept expecting it to work EXACTLY the same as photoshop. This thread made me wonder: If people were brought up on Gnu/Linux the way most people are brought up on Windows, would they then find linux really easy, and Windows counter-intuitive and confusing? Is it simply what you learn first that defines what you find easy? Yes, that is true to an extent ,according to surveys conducted, people who hadnt used Windows before starting with Linux did not face as much difficulty as those, who had already got exposed to Windows.I dont remember the exact details, but this was qouted in one of the ILUGD(http://www.linux-delhi.org) meets. Regards Shehjar -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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This one time, at band camp, David wrote: This thread made me wonder: If people were brought up on Gnu/Linux the way most people are brought up on Windows, would they then find linux really easy, and Windows counter-intuitive and confusing? Is it simply what you learn first that defines what you find easy? And the opposite is true; I used to use Windows, but for the last 6 years I've used Linux based operating systesm exclusively. Now I have to relearn everything when I try to use Windows, and it feels foreign and confusing. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Photoshop in Linux WAS [SLUG] Newbie -when is next slug meet?
On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 18:03 +1100, David wrote: This thread made me wonder: If people were brought up on Gnu/Linux the way most people are brought up on Windows, would they then find linux really easy, and Windows counter-intuitive and confusing? Is it simply what you learn first that defines what you find easy? I've a similar experience as Jamie. My desktop for 10-odd years has been Linux, although I've worked in and supported (and still do) Microsoft environments for that entire period I find the way it's interface operates (leaving the ridiculous OS problems aside) completely infuriating. Then again, I'm also a spoilt Debian-child and am used to having everything at my fingertips in an online world. :) The difference in configurations and layouts between 95/98/xp/NT/2000/2003 is incredibly bloody annoying. If I had one constructive thing to say to Microsoft it would be *STOP MOVING SHIT!* especially as I'm dealing with all those listed OS's :) (going mad removing spyware and virus infections from pre-linux clients) -- Well, we're certainly going to maintain the existing level of funding for labourmarket programs. --John Howard (Address to Youth, Macgregor, 20 February 1996) The Truth: Kerry O'Brien: Now, for all the people on those labour market programs, I would suggest it to them that would have been a pretty core promise and you've broken it. John Howard: Well, it is true that we are not spending as much money on labourmarket programs. --John Howard (ABC 7:30 Report, 21 August 1996) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
