[SLUG] Newbie - Can't execute anything I've downloaded
Hello, first e-mail: Trying to get Firefox 1.5 and Frostwire on to my Kubuntu 5.10 install. Firefox comes in a tar.gz, Frostwire in a .deb package. Firefox: I un-tar Firefox, and it apparently should run straight out of the folder, but nothing in there will run. Permissions on everything says it's owned by me (not root) with read and write, and Is Executable. There's no installers that i can see in the folder. Got it straight from getfirefox.com because Adept only has firefox 1.0.7. I had mandrake 9.2 on and did the same thing, ran firefox fine. Frostwire: Downloaded it from frostwire.com with the Debian/Ubuntu link, I right-click on the .deb and go to Kubuntu Package Manager - Install Package. Does it's thing. Frostwire is now in my K Menu, but when I go to open it, it loads for a bit, then nothing. Disappears. Permissions on anything to do with Frostwire (with a search) is owned by root, owner can read and write, I can only read and is executable. (I don't know how to log is as root to adjust these permissions, can't do it when logging in and I'm having trouble logging in from a terminal I don't know if that can help...) I can't think of anything else to try, any help would be great. P.S. Just started leaning Linux, have installed, then wiped to: Mandrake 9.2, Ubuntu 5.10, and have Kubuntu now. I still don't know much, just getting a feel for some distros. Open-source is excellent... :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Newbie - Can't execute anything I've downloaded
Josh Shone wrote: Hello, first e-mail: Trying to get Firefox 1.5 and Frostwire on to my Kubuntu 5.10 install. Firefox comes in a tar.gz, Frostwire in a .deb package. The problem is probably that Firefox was installed as a tar.gz. Unless you really know what you are doing, its *highly* recommended to only install packages from .debs. I would suggest uninstalling the Firefox .tar.gz and installing the .deb package for firefox and then re-installing frostwire (whatever that is). Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ The object-oriented model makes it easy to build up programs by accretion. What this often means, in practice, is that it provides a structured way to write spaghetti code. -- Paul Graham -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Newbie - Can't execute anything I've downloaded
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 17:55 +1000, Josh Shone wrote: Hello, first e-mail: Trying to get Firefox 1.5 and Frostwire on to my Kubuntu 5.10 install. Firefox comes in a tar.gz, Frostwire in a .deb package. Firefox: I un-tar Firefox, and it apparently should run straight out of the folder, but nothing in there will run. Permissions on everything says it's owned by me (not root) with read and write, and Is Executable. There's no installers that i can see in the folder. Got it straight from getfirefox.com because Adept only has firefox 1.0.7. I had mandrake 9.2 on and did the same thing, ran firefox fine. Frostwire: Downloaded it from frostwire.com with the Debian/Ubuntu link, I right-click on the .deb and go to Kubuntu Package Manager - Install Package. Does it's thing. Frostwire is now in my K Menu, but when I go to open it, it loads for a bit, then nothing. Disappears. Permissions on anything to do with Frostwire (with a search) is owned by root, owner can read and write, I can only read and is executable. (I don't know how to log is as root to adjust these permissions, can't do it when logging in and I'm having trouble logging in from a terminal I don't know if that can help...) I can't think of anything else to try, any help would be great. P.S. Just started leaning Linux, have installed, then wiped to: Mandrake 9.2, Ubuntu 5.10, and have Kubuntu now. I still don't know much, just getting a feel for some distros. Open-source is excellent... :-) Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion dont know if it will help you too much.. But it helped me put FFox 1.5 on Ubuntu... (as the repositories only have 1.01-or something similar) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] gcc problem
Hi again guys, I have a problem trying to compile nzbget onto my ubuntu install.. I have googled up the problem, but I'm getting way over my head. (I did have this installed on a previous install so I'm not sure why it wont work now)... The error I get when I do a ./configure is:- checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables Has anyone seen this before? Thanks for any help you can provide.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] gcc problem
libcdev or something... your missing a package.. On 5/1/06, Charles Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again guys, I have a problem trying to compile nzbget onto my ubuntu install.. I have googled up the problem, but I'm getting way over my head. (I did have this installed on a previous install so I'm not sure why it wont work now)... The error I get when I do a ./configure is:- checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables Has anyone seen this before? Thanks for any help you can provide.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] gcc problem
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 18:27 +1000, Michael Fox wrote: libcdev or something... your missing a package.. On 5/1/06, Charles Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again guys, I have a problem trying to compile nzbget onto my ubuntu install.. I have googled up the problem, but I'm getting way over my head. (I did have this installed on a previous install so I'm not sure why it wont work now)... The error I get when I do a ./configure is:- checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables Has anyone seen this before? Thanks for any help you can provide.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html Thanks mate.. ;) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] gcc problem
libstdc++ is missing would be my guess.. On 5/1/06, Charles Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 18:27 +1000, Michael Fox wrote: libcdev or something... your missing a package.. On 5/1/06, Charles Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again guys, I have a problem trying to compile nzbget onto my ubuntu install.. I have googled up the problem, but I'm getting way over my head. (I did have this installed on a previous install so I'm not sure why it wont work now)... The error I get when I do a ./configure is:- checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables Has anyone seen this before? Thanks for any help you can provide.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html Thanks mate.. ;) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Regarding Frostwire (That I can't get to work on kubuntu)
Limewire: Gnutella (P2P) client, written in Java, very good, free. Not open-source though. Frostwire: Same people make open-source version called Frostwire. Exactly the same except diff. skin, but should eventually be better, cause it's open! Thanks for the help, I'll give it a go. (that was quick...) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Newbie - Can't execute anything I've downloaded
Josh Shone wrote: Hello, first e-mail: Trying to get Firefox 1.5 and Frostwire on to my Kubuntu 5.10 install. Firefox comes in a tar.gz, Frostwire in a .deb package. Firefox: I un-tar Firefox, and it apparently should run straight out of the folder, but nothing in there will run. Permissions on everything says it's owned by me (not root) with read and write, and Is Executable. There's no installers that i can see in the folder. Got it straight from getfirefox.com because Adept only has firefox 1.0.7. I had mandrake 9.2 on and did the same thing, ran firefox fine. I'd suggest that the firefox binary is not found in the PATH, and you are not giving the full path name for the executable. Try running it from konsole with the full path name include, something like /usr/local/firefox/firefox Frostwire: Downloaded it from frostwire.com with the Debian/Ubuntu link, I right-click on the .deb and go to Kubuntu Package Manager - Install Package. Does it's thing. Frostwire is now in my K Menu, but when I go to open it, it loads for a bit, then nothing. Disappears. Permissions on anything to do with Frostwire (with a search) is owned by root, owner can read and write, I can only read and is executable. (I don't know how to log is as root to adjust these permissions, can't do it when logging in and I'm having trouble logging in from a terminal I don't know if that can help...) Try running it from konsole, and see if it is generating any error (Seg Fault, missing libs, etc). -- Keith -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] svnadmin hangs - apparently I need more entropy :-(
Michael Lake wrote: Hi all I have 'svnadmin create /var/lib/svn/TheProject' hanging on a Debian stable box running subversionn 1.1.4. Googling finds that the problem is that there is not enough entropy and suggests a recompile of I think libapr0. Blow that. I'm trying to set this up on a virtual server and I don't want to add all the things that a recompile would entail. Has anyone had this problem and how does one get more entropy on a virtual server that I can just login to remotely? I had this problem (or thought I did) for an unrelated program (can't even recall what it was now tbh) but I do remember there was a command to actually check and see how much entropy your system had.. IIRC it was just cat /proc something random. hunting around the proc system should find it. After doing that I found that wasn't actually my problem and it lay eslewhere. Googling etc had led me to the randomness problem but in this case it turned out not to be the problem. HTH Dan. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Newbie - Can't execute anything I've downloaded
Josh Shone wrote: Hello, first e-mail: Trying to get Firefox 1.5 and Frostwire on to my Kubuntu 5.10 install. Firefox comes in a tar.gz, Frostwire in a .deb package. Firefox: I un-tar Firefox, and it apparently should run straight out of the folder, but nothing in there will run. Permissions on everything says it's owned by me (not root) with read and write, and Is Executable. There's no installers that i can see in the folder. Got it straight from getfirefox.com because Adept only has firefox 1.0.7. I had mandrake 9.2 on and did the same thing, ran firefox fine. Frostwire: Downloaded it from frostwire.com with the Debian/Ubuntu link, I right-click on the .deb and go to Kubuntu Package Manager - Install Package. Does it's thing. Frostwire is now in my K Menu, but when I go to open it, it loads for a bit, then nothing. Disappears. Permissions on anything to do with Frostwire (with a search) is owned by root, owner can read and write, I can only read and is executable. (I don't know how to log is as root to adjust these permissions, can't do it when logging in and I'm having trouble logging in from a terminal I don't know if that can help...) I can't think of anything else to try, any help would be great. P.S. Just started leaning Linux, have installed, then wiped to: Mandrake 9.2, Ubuntu 5.10, and have Kubuntu now. I still don't know much, just getting a feel for some distros. Open-source is excellent... :-) I've just installed frostwire my self try running dos2unix /usr/lib/frostwire/runFrost.sh as root it fixed it for me Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] svnadmin hangs - apparently I need more entropy :-(
This one time, at band camp, Dan Treacy wrote: I had this problem (or thought I did) for an unrelated program (can't even recall what it was now tbh) but I do remember there was a command to actually check and see how much entropy your system had.. IIRC it was just cat /proc something random. hunting around the proc system should find it. After doing that I found that wasn't actually my problem and it lay eslewhere. Dan speaks the truth: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail and other files in that directory will give you some values to check out. You can create entropy by generating network traffic, mouseclicks and motion, keyboard input, and generally contributing to the heat death of the universe. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Newbie root problems
I want log in as root. Discovered that you can allow for this in KDE by adjusting AllowRootLogin=true in the file kdmrc. Cannot do this however, because I can't log in as root... So I go to the terminal and I say: su (My root password) and tada: su: Authentication Failure I type my correct password, in other parts of KDE (e.g. Adept) it works fine. (Typing su root or using su - and so forth makes no diff.) Googling on this matter brings nothing. Sorry for the apparently stupid question so very soon after my last... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Newbie root problems
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 20:35 +1000, Josh Shone wrote: I want log in as root. Discovered that you can allow for this in KDE by adjusting AllowRootLogin=true in the file kdmrc. Cannot do this however, because I can't log in as root... So I go to the terminal and I say: su (My root password) and tada: su: Authentication Failure I type my correct password, in other parts of KDE (e.g. Adept) it works fine. (Typing su root or using su - and so forth makes no diff.) Googling on this matter brings nothing. Sorry for the apparently stupid question so very soon after my last... You're using Kubuntu? As with other buntu's root login is actually disabled, with super user access being dealt with on a case by case basis. To run a command as root on the command line you use the sudo tool as in: $: sudo apt-get [command] [pkg] The give it your normal password. With most GUI tools you will be prompted for your password if it requires super user(root) rights. -- James Purser Producer/Presenter - Linux Australia Update http://james.k-sit.com - My Blog http://k-sit.com - My IT Consultancy http://localfoss.org - LA Update Podcast, LUG Roundup and more Skype: purserj1977 SIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Try THIS with M$ operating systems
I have a Prosignia 200 at work that now refuses to boot from CDROM. It threw a hard drive over the weekend so the secondary DNS server went bye-byes. So after much battling, BIOS flashing and general mucking around, I decided to just get the new drive, throw it in a spare PC (some nameless, faceless clone thing with COMPLETELY different hardware to the Prosignia - beyond an IA32 CPU it may as well have been Commodore64!!). I installed RHEL4, patched it, did the basic configuration and I was done. Now the big test - put it back in the Prosignia and see what happens. Well it booted, noticed a few devices had disappeared, and a few others appeared. It reset my network configuration, sorted out the X server and re-jigged the rest so it was happy again. One more boot for good measure and VOILA! Completely functional, stable server again :) Now try THAT with Windows ;) (Sorry - had to gloat!) Cheers, James -- The only way for a reporter to look at a politician is down. -- H.L. Mencken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Serious Printer Question -- Samsung CLP-550N
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... as well as the undocumented (i.e. useless) Samsung Printer Language. Not sure that's so. Samsung have a GPLed driver for GDI, which I believe was the previous (and confusing) name for SPL. Having written that, there's a lot to be said for PostScript support. Cheers, Glen -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Newbie - Can't execute anything I've downloaded
On 5/1/06, Josh Shone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, first e-mail: Howdy. Trying to get Firefox 1.5 and Frostwire on to my Kubuntu 5.10 install. Firefox comes in a tar.gz, Frostwire in a .deb package. Firefox: The newer version of ubuntu (dapper) has firefox 1.5. Dapper is in beta now so the final release cannot be too far away if you can tolerate 1.0.8 for a little while and wait for the upgrade. It's generally much easier to run apps that your distribution packages for you than trying to install stuff from the actual project (for example, you don't need to re-install when a security bug gets patched, the ubuntu guys roll out a patched version and you pick it up next time you run the update manager, no brainer). Only minor drawback is you can be a little behind the latest version of a given application. With ubuntu though the worst case is about 6 months though (or 6 months + a bit for longer for dapper :) Frostwire: Had never heard of frostwire, the faq says its a java app. Possibly silly question but have you got java installed? Otherwise do as already has been suggested and run it from the command line in a terminal. Hopefully a meaningful error will be printed out which you could google for and/or post to the list. Cheers..Steve -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?
Benno wrote: BitLocker is software. It uses the TPM hardware to verify the boot process. (I'm trying to get more information on that.) Hi Benno, Verifying the boot process is exactly the problem. Let's buy a machine, say it comes with Windows installed and the bitlocked feature on. Now let's install Linux, this installs a bootloader. Let's say the linux bootloader detects Windows and chain loads the Windows bootloader. Now the boot process into Windows was - BIOS - windows boot loader - windows and is now - BIOS - linux boot loader - windows boot loader - windows So if TPM works at all then Windows will spit the dummy and declare that the boot process has been compromised. You can also make a similar argument about the partition table: decreasing the size of the Windows volume should lead to the TPM informing Windows that it has been compromised. This unfortunately does away with the simple hack of allowing dual booting by restoring the Windows' boot loader when wanting to run Windows. The only way out is for some mechanism for Windows to be reauthorised to the TPM after Linux has been installed. I don't know enough about the TPM hardware API to know if Windows has to participate in this (eg, does the API return the checksum, or just an indication that the hardware and software are authorised). Cheers, Glen -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: VtAdGRA news
Hi, VA L XC VP Im e aI Ar Ab v nA Lo Gi i aL Iz Re t xI Ua An ra S Mc http://www.degreisapo.com morning was still early when a cry was heard in the camp. Runners came in to report that a host of dwarves had appeared round the eastern spur of the Mountain and was now hastening to Dale. Dain had come. He had hurried on through the night, and so had come upon them sooner than they had expected. Each one of his folk was clad in a hauberk of steel mail that hung to his knees, and his legs were covered with hose of a fine -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] vmware/fc5
[TO: Peter Rundle] Hey there, Came across your postings about VMware in FC5 because I was getting the same error message you were (about address space mismatch between headers and running kernel) and was looking for a solution... didn't find one on your SLUG mailing list, but I've got it working now! I checked the VMware forums... and turns out Fedora is not supported by them officially, but one of their engineers, Petr, does maintain in his spare time a small package to help it work: http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update101.tar.gz Running that (the runme.pl in that archive) fixed it for me... Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?
On Monday 01 May 2006 23:16, Glen Turner wrote: snipped Let's buy a machine, say it comes with Windows installed and the bitlocked feature on. snipped It seems almost certain that Bitlocker will behave as you state, though the documentation is unclear whether the boot loader is part of the Bitlocker checks. However I don't think anyone sane will be selling machines with Bitlocker enabled. Bitlocker requires a recovery password, security flies out the window if your laptop has the same recovery password as every other BrandName(tm,wtf,rtfm) laptop. Of course, computer magazines will tout this great new feature without stressing the importance of the recovery password, and even more people will learn the value of regular backups. Also, is whole disk encryption all that secure? The data at the start of a disk is almost constant, surely this makes it easier to decrypt. Cheers, Malcolm V. -- If all men were brothers, would you let one marry your sister? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: VtAGRtA news
Hi, VAVX LCP AmIa eIr LbAn vAo IiGa iLz UeRx tIa MnA raSc http://www.claiccampe.com away through the trees and over the black tops of those growing lower down they could still see the evening lights on the plains beyond. They limped along now as fast as they were able down the gentle slopes of a pine forest in a slanting path leading steadily southwards. At times they were pushing through a sea of bracken with tall fronds rising right above the hobbits head; at times they were marching along quiet as -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Try THIS with M$ operating systems
On Monday 01 May 2006 22:03, James Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a Prosignia 200 at work that now refuses to boot from CDROM. It
threw a hard drive over the weekend so the secondary DNS server went
bye-byes.
So after much battling, BIOS flashing and general mucking around, I decided
to just get the new drive, throw it in a spare PC (some nameless, faceless
clone thing with COMPLETELY different hardware to the Prosignia - beyond an
IA32 CPU it may as well have been Commodore64!!). I installed RHEL4,
patched it, did the basic configuration and I was done.
Now the big test - put it back in the Prosignia and see what happens. Well
it booted, noticed a few devices had disappeared, and a few others
appeared. It reset my network configuration, sorted out the X server and
re-jigged the rest so it was happy again. One more boot for good measure
and VOILA! Completely functional, stable server again :)
Now try THAT with Windows ;)
The retail version of Windows would probably force you to reregister with
Microsoft, which can be a lengthy and painful process.
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Re: [SLUG] Try THIS with M$ operating systems
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 08:28 +1000, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: The retail version of Windows would probably force you to reregister with Microsoft, which can be a lengthy and painful process. What would most likely happen is the kernel would crash completely and you would need to reinstall. Windows is notoriously bad at doing large hardware changes. -- James Purser Producer/Presenter - Linux Australia Update http://james.k-sit.com - My Blog http://k-sit.com - My IT Consultancy http://localfoss.org - LA Update Podcast, LUG Roundup and more Skype: purserj1977 SIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Try THIS with M$ operating systems
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 10:03:41PM +1000, James Gray wrote: I have a Prosignia 200 at work that now refuses to boot from CDROM. It threw a hard drive over the weekend so the secondary DNS server went bye-byes. ... It reset my network configuration, sorted out the X server and re-jigged the You have X running on your secondry DNS? *boggles* Windows can do that too I guess... :) -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?
On Mon May 01, 2006 at 22:46:12 +0930, Glen Turner wrote: Benno wrote: BitLocker is software. It uses the TPM hardware to verify the boot process. (I'm trying to get more information on that.) Hi Benno, Verifying the boot process is exactly the problem. Let's buy a machine, say it comes with Windows installed and the bitlocked feature on. But Bitlocker is a piece of software you have to first install and then turn on, not something that comes installed and enabled on the machine when you buy it. And if for some reason it did, you could simply reinstall from scratch and then turn it on after installing. Now let's install Linux, this installs a bootloader. Let's say the linux bootloader detects Windows and chain loads the Windows bootloader. Now the boot process into Windows was - BIOS - windows boot loader - windows and is now - BIOS - linux boot loader - windows boot loader - windows So if TPM works at all then Windows will spit the dummy and declare that the boot process has been compromised. You can also make a similar argument about the partition table: decreasing the size of the Windows volume should lead to the TPM informing Windows that it has been compromised. This unfortunately does away with the simple hack of allowing dual booting by restoring the Windows' boot loader when wanting to run Windows. The only way out is for some mechanism for Windows to be reauthorised to the TPM after Linux has been installed. I don't know enough about the TPM hardware API to know if Windows has to participate in this (eg, does the API return the checksum, or just an indication that the hardware and software are authorised). There is no reason I can see, in theory, why you couldn't 1/ Turn off TPM boot 2/ Install linux 3/ Turn TPM back on checksum-ing the new bootloader. But yeah, I have only really had a brief look at the TPM documentation, it might need Windows assistance to do this. And even if windows lets you do this, it could pontetially destroy any remote attestation guarentees that could be given, but I don't *think* bitlocker is really about remote attestation, although that is something else that can be done with TPM hardware. In any case, my main points were that: - Bitlocker is an optional feature the you have to enable. - The frustration referred to in the original register article was simply about accessing encrypted data, not about not being able to dual boot. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?
Benno wrote: But Bitlocker is a piece of software you have to first install and then turn on, not something that comes installed and enabled on the machine when you buy it. The vast majority of machines sold in the western world come with windows pre-installed. There is no reason I can see, in theory, why you couldn't 1/ Turn off TPM boot 2/ Install linux 3/ Turn TPM back on checksum-ing the new bootloader. This raises the bar for people trying to get Linux for the fist time. In any case, my main points were that: - Bitlocker is an optional feature the you have to enable. Not if if comes pre-installed on the machine you buy. This is the rule, not the exception. - The frustration referred to in the original register article was simply about accessing encrypted data, not about not being able to dual boot. I remain unconvinced. Micorsoft would love to make Linux difficult to install and would love to make Linux something that can only be run inside a virtual machine running on windows. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ Java is, in many ways, C++--. -- Michael Feldman -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 09:32:08AM +1000, Benno wrote: There is no reason I can see, in theory, why you couldn't 1/ Turn off TPM boot 2/ Install linux 3/ Turn TPM back on checksum-ing the new bootloader. But yeah, I have only really had a brief look at the TPM documentation, it might need Windows assistance to do this. And even [ ... ] Maybe you know this already, but there is linux support for TPM (since kernel 2.6.12) .. and Linus has said (iirc) that he's not against TPM in principle. The company that did the TPM driver work also do a TPM GRUB. http://www.prosec.rub.de/trusted_grub_details.html Now I'm not sure how much this helps i.e. how much more work there would be involved in installing Linux on a TPM machine. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?
On Tue May 02, 2006 at 09:46:58 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Benno wrote: But Bitlocker is a piece of software you have to first install and then turn on, not something that comes installed and enabled on the machine when you buy it. The vast majority of machines sold in the western world come with windows pre-installed. There is no reason I can see, in theory, why you couldn't 1/ Turn off TPM boot 2/ Install linux 3/ Turn TPM back on checksum-ing the new bootloader. This raises the bar for people trying to get Linux for the fist time. I'm sure the Ubuntu install process will make all this transparent if it is possible. In any case, my main points were that: - Bitlocker is an optional feature the you have to enable. Not if if comes pre-installed on the machine you buy. This is the rule, not the exception. - The frustration referred to in the original register article was simply about accessing encrypted data, not about not being able to dual boot. I remain unconvinced. Micorsoft would love to make Linux difficult to install and would love to make Linux something that can only be run inside a virtual machine running on windows. I just really doubt that a feature which is so difficult to use and can mean losing all you data if you forget a key or password is going to be enabled by default for home PCs -- of course I guess we will see when Vista finally comes out. I'll buy you a beer if it comes with encryption enabled by default :). Of course corporate setting is totally different. Is it that bad if people are running Linux inside a virtual machine running on windows anyway? (Or people running Windows inside a virtual machine on a Linux machine?) I have a feeling we will end up with a secure hypervisor and then running either Linux or windows on both on top of that, but that is just a guess. Maybe I am underestimating the problem because I've never bothered will dual-booting, and underestimate the use of it. I've found the best path to new Linux users is to first ween them off Office (ooffice), IE (firefox) etc, which can be done while they still run windows, and then once that happens, get them to install Linux with the same app on their next computer. But I guess that doesn't work for gamers. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?
Benno wrote: I'll buy you a beer Cool. I look forward to it. Is it that bad if people are running Linux inside a virtual machine running on windows anyway? I don't mind if they can. I do mind of thats the only way of having Linux and 'doze running on the same machine. But I guess that doesn't work for gamers. Or people trying to wring maximum audio performance out of their audio applications. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a protected abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor and when was the last time you needed one? -- Tom Cargill -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)
On 29 Apr 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With regards to last night's Slug meeting and using automated testing, I think everyone agrees that writing (and using) test cases produces higher quality code with less bugs. My point is that higher quality output doesn't come for free, it requires effort and that usually means someone has to pay for it. All software has some kind of quality bar, even if it's low -- otherwise the requirements could be trivially satisfied by an empty file. Whatever level you are trying to achieve, some techniques will get you there more efficiently than others. You can use the savings either to get to a higher level at the same cost, or to get to the same level at a lower cost. In general it is cheaper and easier to find bugs immediately after they're introduced, rather than digging them out from a complex system once it's fielded. TDD tends to help me find bugs earlier, rather than later. -- Martin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] AMD64
Hi this is a trawl for info please: Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? I've got an x2/3800 on an ASUS A8V MB. I've tried with SuSE10, SuSE10.1 (RCs), FC5, Ubuntu. All have some problems, sometime eg on board AC97 sound not seen (recognised, configurable) use a sound card, then the module get unloaded (!) reload modprobe snd_ens1371 works for a bit. ethernet card stops ethernetting. ifconfig looks good, but acts as if the cable is out. POWERDOWN and all is OK again System freezes. No keyboard, no mouse, no network, sound loops on what was playing eg lee Happens with speedstep on and off, screensaver on and off, idle and in use either AMD is not ready for prime time ASUS is worse than expected THIS MB is pregnant James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AMD64
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 08:42 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi this is a trawl for info please: Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? I've got an x2/3800 on an ASUS A8V MB. I've tried with SuSE10, SuSE10.1 (RCs), FC5, Ubuntu. All have some problems, sometime eg on board AC97 sound not seen (recognised, configurable) use a sound card, then the module get unloaded (!) reload modprobe snd_ens1371 works for a bit. ethernet card stops ethernetting. ifconfig looks good, but acts as if the cable is out. POWERDOWN and all is OK again System freezes. No keyboard, no mouse, no network, sound loops on what was playing eg lee Happens with speedstep on and off, screensaver on and off, idle and in use either AMD is not ready for prime time ASUS is worse than expected THIS MB is pregnant Karins been running the AMD64 version of Ubuntu without any hassles (apart from the usual missing flash etc, etc). -- James Purser Producer/Presenter - Linux Australia Update http://james.k-sit.com - My Blog http://k-sit.com - My IT Consultancy http://localfoss.org - LA Update Podcast, LUG Roundup and more Skype: purserj1977 SIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AMD64
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 08:42 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? yes, been running the Turion variant of the AMD64 (acer 5000 aspire series ... laptop) for more than 5 months now (and its on for over 8 hrs /day at times) used ubuntu, suse 9 32bit, suse 10.1 rc1 64bit, mandrake 10 (32/64), and using debian AMD64 (sarge... amd64 port).. no complaints fully functional, wireless too... also tried fc5, no complaints on board AC97 sound not seen (recognised, configurable) use a sound card, then the module get unloaded (!) reload modprobe snd_ens1371 works for a bit. ethernet card stops ethernetting. ifconfig looks good, but acts as if the cable is out. POWERDOWN and all is OK again System freezes. No keyboard, no mouse, no network, sound loops on what was either AMD is not ready for prime time ASUS is worse than expected perhaps its a faulty m/b? Seen Asus running fine with AMD64 till now... hows the heating? THIS MB is pregnant hmmm... ... -Erle -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AMD64
Are you using the 64 bit editions or just the 32 bit ones? (You don't say anywhere...) Do you experiance the same problems with a live CD? If so, could be a faulty motherboard and/or RAM (run memtest) On 5/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi this is a trawl for info please: Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? I've got an x2/3800 on an ASUS A8V MB. I've tried with SuSE10, SuSE10.1 (RCs), FC5, Ubuntu. All have some problems, sometime eg on board AC97 sound not seen (recognised, configurable) use a sound card, then the module get unloaded (!) reload modprobe snd_ens1371 works for a bit. ethernet card stops ethernetting. ifconfig looks good, but acts as if the cable is out. POWERDOWN and all is OK again System freezes. No keyboard, no mouse, no network, sound loops on what was playing eg lee Happens with speedstep on and off, screensaver on and off, idle and in use either AMD is not ready for prime time ASUS is worse than expected THIS MB is pregnant James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Menno Schaaf aka ginji irc.austnet.org #gentoo #linux-help -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] RHEL4 sudo problems
Hi All, Seems my shiny new RHEL4 (update 3)[1] wont allow any of my configured sudoers to actually use sudo. What I have is everyone in the wheel group configured to complete access to sudo with their user password. However, when any of us actually run sudo, the following sequence allways occurs: 1. we are prompted for our user password 2. enter the password 3. sudo goes to 100% CPU and never returns. 4. Switch to another terminal, log in as root and killall -TERM sudo. 5. Terminal with the attempted sudo now says that sudo was killed. Anyone else seen this? There's nothing in the logs (well, I haven't found anything, put it that way), so I'm flying blind. Ideas?? Cheers, James [1] See my post from yesterday Try THIS with M$ Operating Systems. And for the record, sudo was playing up BEFORE I moved the hard drive from the build machine to the production machine. -- So many women; so little time! pgpEaqfsvxg5D.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AMD64
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:07, you wrote: Are you using the 64 bit editions or just the 32 bit ones? (You don't say anywhere...) Do you experiance the same problems with a live CD? If so, could be a faulty motherboard and/or RAM (run memtest) On 5/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi this is a trawl for info please: Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? I've got an x2/3800 on an ASUS A8V MB. I've tried with SuSE10, SuSE10.1 (RCs), FC5, Ubuntu. All have some problems, sometime eg on board AC97 sound not seen (recognised, configurable) use a sound card, then the module get unloaded (!) reload modprobe snd_ens1371 works for a bit. ethernet card stops ethernetting. ifconfig looks good, but acts as if the cable is out. POWERDOWN and all is OK again System freezes. No keyboard, no mouse, no network, sound loops on what was playing eg lee Happens with speedstep on and off, screensaver on and off, idle and in use either AMD is not ready for prime time ASUS is worse than expected THIS MB is pregnant Sorry for the typo! (84) The 32bit editions do not speedstep, which was the point of the exercise. I've tried them but not for long enough to see if there are problems. So 64bit versions, Knoppix (4.0) dies. Did not spelunk for other live CDs. So ... AV8 in general or this AV8 in particular ... James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AMD64
On 5/2/06, Erle Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 08:42 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? I've been using AMD64 since April 2004, and I've been using Gentoo all the way. Support initially was a bit crap, but it's greatly improved and I remember submitting a lot of patches to fix broken software (why would you store a pointer in an int anyway?). on board AC97 sound not seen (recognised, configurable) use a sound card, then the module get unloaded (!) reload modprobe snd_ens1371 works for a bit. ethernet card stops ethernetting. ifconfig looks good, but acts as if the cable is out. POWERDOWN and all is OK again System freezes. No keyboard, no mouse, no network, sound loops on what was either AMD is not ready for prime time ASUS is worse than expected perhaps its a faulty m/b? Seen Asus running fine with AMD64 till now... hows the heating? THIS MB is pregnant Early motherboards were fairly crap under earlier kernels, many had problems with stability and various things. I would have thought that now things would be much better... Some things you can try are: - Disable APIC (noapic to kernel at boot?) - this might suck if you have SMP - Disable anything on-board that you aren't using: SATA/RAID/modem/audio/whatever It does sound like a dodgy motherboard though. I suspect disabling APIC will solve your problems. -Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AMD64
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the typo! (84) The 32bit editions do not speedstep, which was the point of the exercise. I've I'm running Ubuntu in 32bit mode on my AMD64 3000+ with a gigabyte motherboard and it happily speedsteps. - -- dave. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEVrcThPPdWeHRgaoRAj6tAKCo4fjBHqN1E7/KEAQcd8xgF6LkYACfcBvZ LH8ZAvr330Wl7mUpSEAa0zQ= =EoNZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?
On Tue, May 2, 2006 10:05, Benno wrote: On Tue May 02, 2006 at 09:46:58 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: I just really doubt that a feature which is so difficult to use and can mean losing all you data if you forget a key or password is going to be enabled by default for home PCs -- of course I guess we will see when Vista finally comes out. I'll buy you a beer if it comes with encryption enabled by default :). Of course corporate setting is totally different. Is it that bad if people are running Linux inside a virtual machine running on windows anyway? (Or people running Windows inside a virtual machine on a Linux machine?) I have a feeling we will end up with a secure hypervisor and then running either Linux or windows on both on top of that, but that is just a guess. Maybe I am underestimating the problem because I've never bothered will dual-booting, and underestimate the use of it. I've found the best path to new Linux users is to first ween them off Office (ooffice), IE (firefox) etc, which can be done while they still run windows, and then once that happens, get them to install Linux with the same app on their next computer. But I guess that doesn't work for gamers. Getting them off Office and IE is the easy part; getting them off their Windows based accounting application, which their accountant insists that they use, is the hard, neigh, impossible part. Until such applications as MYOB, Attache, Quicken, Quickbooks, CashFlow Manager, eTax, etc. have Linux versions, then I think there is little or no chance of migrating the masses to Linux. Why these apps can come out with MacOS versions alongsie Windows versions, and not Linux versions is a mystery, perhaps it's because there is only one MacOS or windows distro whereas there are N+1 Linux distros. -- Howard LANNet Computing Associates http://lannet.com.au When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: slug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 5
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? yes, been running the Turion variant of the AMD64 (acer 5000 aspire series ... laptop) for more than 5 months now (and its on for over 8 hrs /day at times) used ubuntu, suse 9 32bit, suse 10.1 rc1 64bit, mandrake 10 (32/64), and using debian AMD64 (sarge... amd64 port).. no complaints fully functional, wireless too... also tried fc5, no complaints on board AC97 sound not seen (recognised, configurable) use a sound card, then the module get unloaded (!) reload modprobe snd_ens1371 works for a bit. ethernet card stops ethernetting. ifconfig looks good, but acts as if the cable is out. POWERDOWN and all is OK again System freezes. No keyboard, no mouse, no network, sound loops on what was either AMD is not ready for prime time ASUS is worse than expected perhaps its a faulty m/b? Seen Asus running fine with AMD64 till now... hows the heating? First thanks for the info. I feel much happier! CPU is 31C. Load is light. Machine is Very quiet. I used a Thermaltake heatpipe cooler with a case 120mm fan only. http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/ cpuparts-cpu parts (near the bottom) James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Vista .. anti-Linux ?
If Vista prevents dual booting via software within its installation, what is to prevent booting linux from a separate hard drive and using the PC's Bios to determine the drive boot order? JUut make the linux drive hda with Grub dual booting Windows from hdb. My PC is setup to do this now with Kanotix and XP, though I haven't used XP for some weeks now, since I got my first Trojan, and I've been using M$ since DOS days. Bill -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Vista .. anti-Linux ?
On Tue May 02, 2006 at 12:03:35 -0400, bill wrote: If Vista prevents dual booting via software within its installation, what is to prevent booting linux from a separate hard drive and using the PC's Bios to determine the drive boot order? The problem is that the PC's BIOS (with TPM) may be able to stop you doing that, or at least, it will tell Windows that the boot process as been altered, and then Windows could choose not to boot. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Vista .. anti-Linux ?
On Wed, May 3, 2006 02:03, bill wrote: If Vista prevents dual booting via software within its installation, what is to prevent booting linux from a separate hard drive and using the PC's Bios to determine the drive boot order? JUut make the linux drive hda with Grub dual booting Windows from hdb. My PC is setup to do this now with Kanotix and XP, though I haven't used XP for some weeks now, since I got my first Trojan, and I've been using M$ since DOS days. OK, now run that past a computing neophyte whom you are trying to convert to Linux and watch their eyes glaze over... If M$ can make booting Linux difficult then you can bet they will, regardless of past anti-trust convictions. IMO this attempt would not be relevant to their past conviction requirements and would result in another 5 years of US, EU, S Korea, Japan, etal, investigations and prosecutions during which M$ will proceed as if nothing has or is going to happen. -- Howard LANNet Computing Associates http://lannet.com.au When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)
On Sun Apr 30, 2006 at 08:49:39 +1000, O Plameras wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 With regards to last night's Slug meeting and using automated testing, I think everyone agrees that writing (and using) test cases produces higher quality code with less bugs. My point is that higher quality output doesn't come for free, it requires effort and that usually means someone has to pay for it. If you are writing code because you want to write code and you want to produce the best result that you can then sure you are going to want to put the extra time into it and do work you can be proud of. Use whatever techinique you think will work, regression tests will help, good design documentation will help, feedback from users helps too. On the other hand, if you want to get a job done, get paid and get out of there (and that's the way 90% of business works, sorry to say) then the fact is that corners get cut and the end result is not high quality. With Open Source style programming, it might eventually end up as high quality software once enough people have got interested enough to bash it into shape (and often after the second or third re-write from scratch) but it very rarely starts out that way. In the early days of a project it is hard enough to get enough time and effort in to make it work at all (even as a buggy proof of concept) let alone produce a high quality masterpiece. That's why I follow this simple and easy to remember rules: Make it RUN; Make it RIGHT; Make it FAST; and Make it NICE. I think the idea that the TDD guys are putting forward is that Make it NICE (e.g: automated test suite), means that you can make it RIGHT and FAST with less effort than if you didn't have an automated test suite. Not sure that I necessarily agree with that (although they have very convincing arguments and my own experience is starting to show the same thing), but I'm pretty sure that is the argument they are putting forward. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Vista .. anti-Linux ?
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 12:06 +1000, Benno wrote: ...and then Windows could choose not to boot. Which is bad how? Rob -- GPG key available at: http://www.robertcollins.net/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] RHEL4 sudo problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Gray wrote: Seems my shiny new RHEL4 (update 3)[1] wont allow any of my configured sudoers to actually use sudo. What I have is everyone in the wheel group configured to complete access to sudo with their user password. However, when any of us actually run sudo, the following sequence allways occurs: 1. we are prompted for our user password 2. enter the password 3. sudo goes to 100% CPU and never returns. 4. Switch to another terminal, log in as root and killall -TERM sudo. 5. Terminal with the attempted sudo now says that sudo was killed. Anyone else seen this? There's nothing in the logs (well, I haven't found anything, put it that way), so I'm flying blind. Ideas?? I haven't come across this before, but if I was trying to figure out what's going on, I'd probably: 1. tail /var/log/messages, /var/log/secure and /var/log/sudo.log during a sudo attempt 2. check that you've installed the latest version of sudo available (there's been plenty of times that stuff is broken in rhel until you do an up2date). 3. Make 100% sure that the syntax in your /etc/sudoers file is correct. 4. Perhaps do a complete removal of sudo and re-install again? - -- dave. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEVsKChPPdWeHRgaoRAm2aAJ9l2Fa2M4t2dpetLzVtvzzWpoKNQQCgzk1g yVbRgwJ9CCfLoKc0aXCQt3U= =uZ91 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] RHEL4 sudo problems
This one time, at band camp, James Gray wrote: Seems my shiny new RHEL4 (update 3)[1] wont allow any of my configured Are you using SELinux? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AMD64
On Tue, 2 May 2006 10:42 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi this is a trawl for info please: Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? I've got an x2/3800 on an ASUS A8V MB. I've tried with SuSE10, SuSE10.1 (RCs), FC5, Ubuntu. All have some problems, sometime eg on board AC97 sound not seen (recognised, configurable) use a sound card, then the module get unloaded (!) reload modprobe snd_ens1371 works for a bit. ethernet card stops ethernetting. ifconfig looks good, but acts as if the cable is out. POWERDOWN and all is OK again System freezes. No keyboard, no mouse, no network, sound loops on what was playing eg lee Yep - I've got an AMD64 (3000+) based machine with an Asus K8VSE Deluxe. Had a few problems with Ubuntu Hoary, none with SuSE 9.1Pro, and no significant problems with Ubuntu Breezy. Sound driver occasionally barfs (trying to dereference a NULL pointer which causes a driver reset AFAICT) which caused artsd to fall over. So I ditched artsd and run everything through ALSA. No problems since. Ethernet is fine at 100Mbps FDX, but I've heard the Marvell onboard Ethernet on th Asus K8V boards, is a bit flaky when trying to drive it at gigabit speeds. No proof though, I've only got a 100Mbps switch :-/ Not sure if the A8V has the same Ethernet card though. Had a weird problem with DMA a while ago because Ubuntu loaded the generic IDE driver from the initrd and then the chipset driver wouldn't load later in the boot sequence (meaning I couldn't turn on DMA). This lead to all manner of ugliness and even some sound and network problems (lag, drop outs, stuttered music playback etc). Fixed it by recreating the initrd with the correct chipset driver loading first, then the generic after that. Voila. Let me know if you need any specifics :) Cheers, James (the other one) -- QOTD: Of course there's no reason for it, it's just our policy. pgptCSmjCQw1C.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] RHEL4 sudo problems
On Tue, 2 May 2006 12:28 pm, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, James Gray wrote: Seems my shiny new RHEL4 (update 3)[1] wont allow any of my configured Are you using SELinux? Yep - but only in warn mode. James -- Govern a great nation as you would cook a small fish. Don't overdo it. -- Lao Tsu pgpRFnHOzljuY.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] svnadmin hangs - apparently I need more entropy :-(
Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Dan Treacy wrote: I had this problem (or thought I did) for an unrelated program (can't even recall what it was now tbh) but I do remember there was a command to actually check and see how much entropy your system had.. IIRC it was just cat /proc something random. hunting around the proc system should find it. After doing that I found that wasn't actually my problem and it lay eslewhere. Dan speaks the truth: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail and other files in that directory will give you some values to check out. Thanks Jamie. Yes that file is there and it contains 0. i.e. cat entropy_avail 0 This is a virtual server so I expect that there are several things in /proc that will not be the same as a real machine that has access to all hardware. You can create entropy by generating network traffic, mouseclicks and motion, keyboard input, and generally contributing to the heat death of the universe. Yes I know that for when creating public/private key pairs but this is when I need to create a subversion repository. Hitting keys won't help. Im interested what Dan Treacy found as he said: After doing that I found that wasn't actually my problem and it lay eslewhere. Mike -- Michael Lake Science Faculty, UTS Ph: 9514 8232 Fx: 9514 1460 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] vmware/fc5
Andrew Tappert wrote: [snip] http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update101.tar.gz Running that (the runme.pl in that archive) fixed it for me... Thanks, I've gone back to FC4 because I was also having problems with Cross-over office. It gives errors in X and won't launch but works fine in FC4. Yes I could upgrade cxoffice but. I ran the vmware-any-any-update and that gets the modules compiled thanks, but I've now run into a problem where when I boot the guest it re-sets the host. I've got a Dell Precision 210, Dell Optiplex 210, and a Dell Dimension at my disposal. Everything works fine on the Dimension. Both the Precision 210 and Optiplex 210 however reboot when the Guest machine is powered on. Doh! P. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] RHEL4 sudo problems *SOLVED*
On Tue, 2 May 2006 09:18 am, James Gray wrote: Hi All, Seems my shiny new RHEL4 (update 3)[1] wont allow any of my configured sudoers to actually use sudo. What I have is everyone in the wheel group configured to complete access to sudo with their user password. However, when any of us actually run sudo, the following sequence allways occurs: 1. we are prompted for our user password 2. enter the password 3. sudo goes to 100% CPU and never returns. 4. Switch to another terminal, log in as root and killall -TERM sudo. 5. Terminal with the attempted sudo now says that sudo was killed. Anyone else seen this? There's nothing in the logs (well, I haven't found anything, put it that way), so I'm flying blind. Ideas?? For the record, RHEL4 stores the sudo logs in /var/log/secure. The solution - my user account wasn't a member of the wheel group which is the only group (currently) with sudo privs. Once I added myself to the group, logged out and back in again, sudo is working as advertised :) Yay. Thanks to David Gillies, and J amie Wilkinson for the help just the same. Cheers, James -- Are [Linux users] lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of reliable, well-engineered commercial software? (By Matt Welsh) pgp06KLEL3dWT.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Try THIS with M$ operating systems
On Tue, 2 May 2006 08:49 am, CaT wrote: On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 10:03:41PM +1000, James Gray wrote: I have a Prosignia 200 at work that now refuses to boot from CDROM. It threw a hard drive over the weekend so the secondary DNS server went bye-byes. ... It reset my network configuration, sorted out the X server and re-jigged the You have X running on your secondry DNS? Nah - it was installed by default, but it's gone now. We've kept enough of the runtime bits (sans actual X server) so some of the neato GUI manglement tools can be tunnelled with ssh X forwarding. Not my preferred setup - heck it's DNS! You only need vi to manage it, unfortunately I have to work with other admins who seem incapable of doing much more than: ssh -X ns2 run-gui-mangler sigh I'd install webmin but my boss has a thing about it, and besides, I HATE what webmin does to my nice neat DNS zones! Cheers, James -- Wake up and smell the coffee. -- Ann Landers pgp326XlRx4pR.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] svnadmin hangs - apparently I need more entropy :-(
Michael Lake wrote: I have 'svnadmin create /var/lib/svn/TheProject' hanging on a Debian stable box running subversionn 1.1.4. Googling finds that the problem is that there is not enough entropy and suggests a recompile of I think libapr0. I have found it in Debian Bug report logs - #285708 (subversion: svnserve hangs if little entropy for /dev/random) but this dates from 2004. It suggesed this: Perhaps also make rng-tools a suggested package. This solved the problem for me, but I think it would need a comment as to *why* rng-tools is suggested. Also, rng-tools won't work on all machines - it needs the hw_random kernel module or equivalent. On the server the package rng-tools is available but how do i tell if the kernel supports hw_random or whatever is required? Has anyone used this package and would it help? I also found this dated Jan 2006: http://blogs.herod.net/steven/archives/category/ The solution is to: 1. download source version of subversion 2. Configure it to use /dev/urandom not /dev/random 3. make and then install And it will work! But I don't want to recompile as then I will have packages that are not updated. Mike -- Michael Lake Science Faculty, UTS Ph: 9514 8232 Fx: 9514 1460 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo
Hi all,Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a bootloader.I don't want the option to select new kernels or other OSes. I would like to speed up the boot process as well. I have services down to absolute minimum. If it helps I am running Gentoo. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 02:39:34PM +1000, Kevin Saenz wrote: Hi all, Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a bootloader. Not sure if you can safely but... I don't want the option to select new kernels or other OSes. I would like to This would be dangerous but if you really really wanna then look up the manpage for lilo.conf and search for delay and prompt. -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo
On Tue May 02, 2006 at 14:39:34 +1000, Kevin Saenz wrote: Hi all, Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a bootloader. I don't want the option to select new kernels or other OSes. I would like to speed up the boot process as well. I have services down to absolute minimum. If it helps I am running Gentoo. Syslinux *may* be of use. http://syslinux.zytor.com/faq.php But I haven't actually used it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo
quote who=Kevin Saenz Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a bootloader. So, in much the same way as you can copy a kernel to a floppy and it 'just boots', I'm sure there is some way of doing a similar thing from your hard drive. But it's relatively dangerous, and I'm sure it will involve a bunch of annoying restrictions in what you can do. I don't want the option to select new kernels or other OSes. I would like to speed up the boot process as well. I have services down to absolute minimum. If it helps I am running Gentoo. There are better ways to speed up the boot process. There are also better ways to spend your time, such as having a coffee while your computer boots instead of wasting hours shaving milliseconds off the boot time. :-) Your best bet is to configure your bootloader to not wait for you... *BUT* make absolutely sure you have some kind of fallback, unless you like to repair problems by booting from CD or whatever (during which you'll waste more time booting from the CD, let alone mucking around with fixing your system, than you'd have saved by shaving mere moments off your boot time). - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spainhttp://2006.guadec.org/ I think his crackpipe is mixed with helium or something. - Colin Walters on Hans Reiser -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo
This one time, at band camp, Kevin Saenz wrote: Hi all, Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a bootloader. I have it from a reliable source that booting linux directly hasn't worked since the 2.2 series. I don't want the option to select new kernels or other OSes. I would like to speed up the boot process as well. I have services down to absolute minimum. Your bootloader takes such a small amount of time in the whole bootprocess anyway, why do you want to add maintenance by removing it? There's some options in both LILO and GRUB to not wait for operator input, if that's what's slowing you down. If it helps I am running Gentoo. It sure does! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 14:39, Kevin Saenz wrote: Hi all, Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a bootloader. I don't want the option to select new kernels or other OSes. I would like to speed up the boot process as well. I have services down to absolute minimum. If it helps I am running Gentoo. I assume you've browsed this thread (among others) on the Gentoo forums in regards to getting a faster boot: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=131142start=125 ? Cheers, Malcolm V. -- I believe that professional wrestling is clean and everything else in the world is fixed. -- Frank Deford, sports writer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 15:18 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Kevin Saenz Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a bootloader. So, in much the same way as you can copy a kernel to a floppy and it 'just boots', I'm sure there is some way of doing a similar thing from your hard drive. But it's relatively dangerous, and I'm sure it will involve a bunch of annoying restrictions in what you can do. I'm fairly sure you it was possible by putting the kernel at the start of the partition, or something equally dodgy sounding. But like Jamie said, Linux hasn't been able to boot from a floppy for a while now. From the 2.6 README: - Booting a kernel directly from a floppy without the assistance of a bootloader such as LILO, is no longer supported. The biggest restriction I can think of right now is passing parameters to the kernel. Setting a different console resolution, starting in single user mode, or my favourite rescue technique, specifying a different location for init, suddenly become impossible. I don't want the option to select new kernels or other OSes. I would like to speed up the boot process as well. I have services down to absolute minimum. If it helps I am running Gentoo. Doesn't gentoo already use a replacement dependency-based init? If not, trimming down services that are started at boot is a good idea. You could get really evil and move from a SysV to a BSD style init daemon, write your own boot script, and hope that it works. Or have a look at one of the alternative inits out there. The only one that springs to mind is Richard Gooch's dependency-based thing. But I'm sure there's newer fresher alternatives. For what it's worth, I quite like the idea that (at least) ubuntu have picked up, where they start the display manager fairly early in the boot process, and have other daemons and things starting while you're staring at a login screen. Your best bet is to configure your bootloader to not wait for you... When I cared about such things enough to turn off the bootloader delays, I found I was able to get to a LILO prompt by holding the appropriate key down during the BIOS POST. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo
quote who=Peter Hardy The biggest restriction I can think of right now is passing parameters to the kernel. (Plus there's the where your kernel must reside issue, but that's kinda easy to sort out if you're this crazy.) Setting a different console resolution, starting in single user mode, or my favourite rescue technique, specifying a different location for init, suddenly become impossible. So you'd have to build the kernel with those parameters! Comedy! (That's a bummer about not being able to boot the kernel directly... But really only for use cases where it would have some utility, like embedded boxes and stuff. Thanks Pete and Jaq for mentioning it.) - Jeff -- LinuxWorldExpo: Johannesburg, South Africa http://www.linuxworldexpo.co.za/ Stay away from my house, you freak! Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons? - Neal Stephenson, ITBWTCL -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
