Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
> Has anyone had much luck installing and using digital TV tuner card under > Linx? My VCR died the other day and this might be the opporunity I need to > move to recording TV shows onto my computer directly Yes, it is a bit murky in terms of documentation, but once it's going (and configured with channel information), it's very nice. HDTV is pretty crazy. There are good models available at low prices now, check the Linux DVB site and Google to make sure you get one that works well with Linux. :-) - Jeff [1] http://www.linuxtv.org/dvb/ -- linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australiahttp://linux.conf.au/ "PHP, when it first came out, didn't really have any merits, and many claim it still doesn't, but it filled a void where a simple tool to perform a simple task was needed." - Rasmus Lerdorf -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
Shaun Butler wrote: Hi SLUGgers Has anyone had much luck installing and using digital TV tuner card under Linx? My VCR died the other day and this might be the opporunity I need to move to recording TV shows onto my computer directly Shaun Hi Shaun, Read the ff. info so very carefully before expending time and money on this intended project. http://www.schlesinger.us/nf20031230.htm The endeavour is even more hazardous here in Australia. There is no working 'tv_grab_au' from the official xmltv software up-to-now AFAIK. You will discover this when you get to 'Zap2it' a tv program listing site that does not provide you correctly with the list of service providers here in Australia. By this time it will be too late as you probably have bought the hardware and spent tremendous hours following the HOWTO (http://www.mythtv.info; http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php). I have Fedora Core 2. ReHat is the primary platform supported in this HOWTO. Also it is required you have KDE instead of GNOME, which is excellent because I am into Kolab Servers (http://kolab.org) for many customers. Incidentally, I am gradually shifting all workstations and servers to KDE. To get a sense of the issues involve, check the postings here: http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=52&hl=#entry22169 But in the end, if learning specifically about linux kernel, device drivers, compilation, installations, mysql, and lots of fun things about linux is of paramount benefit to you, then, it is worth the time and money to plunge into this project. But I for one would not do it for getting the pleasure of having a TIVO-like service. I have FusionHDTV DV3-T that I installed on my TEST server with heaps of CPU power and memory and heaps of storage (over a terabyte) that works off-and-on requiring lots of maintenance work. I've given up on this since Dec, 2004 and hope to get back to it when time permits. If you simply wish to get the pleasure of digital tv recording, editing, and controlling, then get commercial TIVO, at least for now. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
My boss is trying to get this exact service working under FreeBSD (Linux cannot be more difficult) with varying degree of success. He was talking to the authors of the TV-tuner card driver directly, they have been of tremendous help. I do know he has managed to run Myth??? (I think) under X-server, got the TV-tuner card to run, change channels, etc. None of this was exceptionally smooth, but was not difficult either. I know the TIVO-like software he runs can get the TV listings for free-to-air channels off the net, as well as weather reports, news, etc. He was still struggling to get the IR to work, improve TV reception and the compression quality, etc... I can try and get more information if necessary. As the previous poster has said, be careful of what you buy, do your research before hand. See if you can get a good returns policy, because driver availability/quality on Linux can be a very tricky proposition. I would suggest coming up with a list of cards and checking the forums to see how helpful the authors of drivers for these cards are, because if you run into issues you will definedly want to have a card which has a very vibrant community following. Cheers, Marek Wawrzyczny On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:04, O Plameras wrote: > Shaun Butler wrote: > > Hi SLUGgers > > > > Has anyone had much luck installing and using digital TV tuner card > > under Linx? My VCR died the other day and this might be the opporunity > > I need to move to recording TV shows onto my computer directly > > > > Shaun > > Hi Shaun, > > Read the ff. info so very carefully before expending time and money > on this intended project. > > http://www.schlesinger.us/nf20031230.htm > > The endeavour is even more hazardous here in Australia. There is > no working 'tv_grab_au' from the official xmltv software up-to-now > AFAIK. You will discover this when you get to 'Zap2it' a tv > program listing site that does not provide you correctly with the list of > service providers here in Australia. By this time it will be too late as > you probably have bought the hardware and spent tremendous hours > following the HOWTO (http://www.mythtv.info; > http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php). I have Fedora Core 2. ReHat > is the primary platform supported in this HOWTO. Also it is required > you have KDE instead of GNOME, which is excellent because I > am into Kolab Servers (http://kolab.org) for many customers. Incidentally, > I am gradually shifting all workstations and servers to KDE. > > To get a sense of the issues involve, check the postings here: > > http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=52&hl=#entry22169 > > But in the end, if learning specifically about linux kernel, device > drivers, compilation, installations, mysql, and lots of fun things about > linux is of paramount benefit to you, then, it is worth the time and money > to plunge into this project. But I for one would not do it for getting the > pleasure of > having a TIVO-like service. > > I have FusionHDTV DV3-T that I installed on my TEST server with > heaps of CPU power and memory and heaps of storage (over a terabyte) > that works off-and-on requiring lots of maintenance work. I've given up > on this since Dec, 2004 and hope to get back to it when time permits. > > If you simply wish to get the pleasure of digital tv recording, editing, > and controlling, then get commercial TIVO, at least for now. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
On 10/02/2005, at 11:04 AM, O Plameras wrote: Shaun Butler wrote: Hi SLUGgers Has anyone had much luck installing and using digital TV tuner card under Linx? My VCR died the other day and this might be the opporunity I need to move to recording TV shows onto my computer directly Shaun Hi Shaun, Read the ff. info so very carefully before expending time and money on this intended project. http://www.schlesinger.us/nf20031230.htm The endeavour is even more hazardous here in Australia. There is no working 'tv_grab_au' from the official xmltv software up-to-now AFAIK. Nope but if you look on the mythtv user lists you will find a a python, and perl based grabbers that will function in sydney. It might not be strictly legal but thats between you and the web site its ripped from. You will discover this when you get to 'Zap2it' a tv program listing site that does not provide you correctly with the list of service providers here in Australia. zap2it is for the USA ... To get a sense of the issues involve, check the postings here: http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=52&hl=#entry22169 But in the end, if learning specifically about linux kernel, device drivers, compilation, installations, mysql, and lots of fun things about linux is of paramount benefit to you, then, it is worth the time and money to plunge into this project. But I for one would not do it for getting the pleasure of having a TIVO-like service. Mythtv can steal lots of your time, there is a new release 0.17 that will be available soon with considerable updates to its DVB support. If you simply wish to get the pleasure of digital tv recording, editing, and controlling, then get commercial TIVO, at least for now. TIVO doesn't have an official guide data either, but you can just use cron or at to record programs if you dont want the who PVR package. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
> Read the ff. info so very carefully before expending time and money > on this intended project. > > http://www.schlesinger.us/nf20031230.htm It appears that this Schlesinger is a bit of a dolt. a couple of weeks to built a mythtv box, Yeah right! It took me less than a day. This guy seems to be a complete noobie to linux in the first instance. I got mythtv running on Mandrake10. and 10.1 I used the CVS as opposed to the tarballs, at the moment I am considering Gentoo as the next step. I can see a couple of weeks in the gentoo part, that is understandable. He started off with SuSE, who in their right mind would use SuSE for multimedia, they don't ship codecs because it breaches their license. > > The endeavour is even more hazardous here in Australia. There is > no working 'tv_grab_au' from the official xmltv software up-to-now > AFAIK. You will discover this when you get to 'Zap2it' a tv > program listing site that does not provide you correctly with the list of > service providers here in Australia. By this time it will be too late as > you probably have bought the hardware and spent tremendous hours > following the HOWTO (http://www.mythtv.info; I beg to differ there there is a tv_grab_au and it works fine. I would recommend Linux users to use mythtv, it is in my case (wifeproof), and (kid proof I have a 4 and 3 yr old) who can manage the interface to play their favourite movies and channels. > http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php). I have Fedora Core 2. ReHat > is the primary platform supported in this HOWTO. Also it is required > you have KDE instead of GNOME, which is excellent because I > am into Kolab Servers (http://kolab.org) for many customers. Incidentally, > I am gradually shifting all workstations and servers to KDE. > > To get a sense of the issues involve, check the postings here: > > http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=52&hl=#entry22169 > This is a once off configuration requirement. You don't have to memorise the hz setting of every channel. > But in the end, if learning specifically about linux kernel, device drivers, > compilation, installations, mysql, and lots of fun things about linux is of > paramount benefit to you, then, it is worth the time and money to plunge > into this project. But I for one would not do it for getting the > pleasure of > having a TIVO-like service. It seems like the most attractive part of tivo will be removed pretty soon, as it is illegal to cut commercials in the US and under the FTA it will come here. > > I have FusionHDTV DV3-T that I installed on my TEST server with > heaps of CPU power and memory and heaps of storage (over a terabyte) > that works off-and-on requiring lots of maintenance work. I've given up > on this since Dec, 2004 and hope to get back to it when time permits. > > If you simply wish to get the pleasure of digital tv recording, editing, > and controlling, then get commercial TIVO, at least for now. You can't knock it until you have tried it. Mythtv works beautifully if you know the capabilities and limitations of the distro you have chosen then Mythtv will work for you. So far you have given only 1 lame example of failure. I know of a lot more success stories and most of them are in the slug list. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
Kevin Saenz wrote: Read the ff. info so very carefully before expending time and money on this intended project. http://www.schlesinger.us/nf20031230.htm It appears that this Schlesinger is a bit of a dolt. a couple of weeks to built a mythtv box, Yeah right! It took me less than a day. This guy seems to be a complete noobie to linux in the first instance. I got mythtv running on Mandrake10. and 10.1 I used the CVS as opposed to the tarballs, at the moment I am considering Gentoo as the next step. I can see a couple of weeks in the gentoo part, that is understandable. He started off with SuSE, who in their right mind would use SuSE for multimedia, they don't ship codecs because it breaches their license. Are you able to provide us with your 'HOWTO Mythtv' ? I know you've said there are a number of success stories on MythTV posted on this list, but I have not seen a 'HOWTO Mythtv' that can be replicated to authenticate these claims. It is one thing to claim something but another to get authentications for these claims. I'd like to replicate it to see if it works for me without too much of a hassle, as you seem to have done, even if involves costs of additional hardware and software. I have tried the 'tv_grab_au' from one list but did not work for me. Are you able to post the code for this script ? There is NO 'tv_grab_au' from the de-facto http://www.xmltv.org server. I suspect because there is none that works consistently. I am not an apologist for anyone. But just because it took him a couple of weeks to build a mythtv box would not justify slandering his name. Especially, he is not around to respond. He has detailed his procedure to show good faith and professional honesty, now you owe it to him and to this lists to detail yours after slandering a person's name. I found his resume here: http://www.schlesinger.us/aboutlee.htm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
I have tried the 'tv_grab_au' from one list but did not work for me. Are you able to post the code for this script ? the python one from the list works. There is NO 'tv_grab_au' from the de-facto http://www.xmltv.org server. I suspect because there is none that works consistently. There is no legal source here -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Ben de Luca wrote: I have tried the 'tv_grab_au' from one list but did not work for me. Are you able to post the code for this script ? the python one from the list works. OK, this explains why my channel list does not work consistently. I am using the perl version. This is something new as far as I'm concerned, this python version. The weather web pages work but I get 'blank and black' screen when I switch to viewing TV channels. This is due to incorrect channels information in my MySQL MythTV database. There is NO 'tv_grab_au' from the de-facto http://www.xmltv.org server. I suspect because there is none that works consistently. There is no legal source here Yep, that's what I gathered from the list. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
the python one from the list works. OK, this explains why my channel list does not work consistently. I am using the perl version. This is something new as far as I'm concerned, this python version. Im fairly sure its been there since december, at least thats when I wrote and posted it. the perl one might work too. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
At Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:21:23 +1100, Oscar Plameras wrote: > Kevin Saenz wrote: > There is NO 'tv_grab_au' from the de-facto http://www.xmltv.org > server. I suspect because there is none that works consistently. ffs Oscar, the first hit on google is a perl script that I've been using fine for about 6 months now: http://www.onlinetractorparts.com.au/rohbags/xmltvau/ I don't get what part of mythtv even needs a howto. The docs on the mythtv site are excellent and using mdz's pre-built Debian packages makes it ridiculously simple: http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
Angus Lees wrote: At Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:21:23 +1100, Oscar Plameras wrote: Kevin Saenz wrote: There is NO 'tv_grab_au' from the de-facto http://www.xmltv.org server. I suspect because there is none that works consistently. ffs Oscar, the first hit on google is a perl script that I've been using fine for about 6 months now: http://www.onlinetractorparts.com.au/rohbags/xmltvau/ This is the one I currently tested. It does not work for me. There are tv_grab_?? for other countries from www.xmltv.org like: tv_grab_jpfor Japan - I can run this and it gives the correct list. There is tv_grab_na for North America, for UK, Germany, etc., but NONE for Australia in this source. I am using Fedora Core 2 and you are using Debian. I am using FusionHDTV DV3-T. What HDTV card are you using ? For my linux platform, the following is the MythTV HOWTO I used and got me to install with no errors. http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php I can use the above to re-install everytime. In other words, the HOWTO is replicable with the same results everytime, i.e., Weather Pages with all the details comes up but NO TV channels. Just black and blank screen, no shadow or something like that. This is because tv_grab_au (from http://www.onlinetractorparts.com.au/rohbags/xmltvau/) does not work successfully on my installation. I'll try this perl version again and the python version suggested in another post. I don't get what part of mythtv even needs a howto. The docs on the mythtv site are excellent and using mdz's pre-built Debian packages makes it ridiculously simple: http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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I sent an email to Lee and here is his response "Kevin, you're 100% right. I was new to Linux at the time, and I didn't have much of a clue what I was doing. I'm fairly sure I'd have far less trouble now." So I have advised him update his page so that unsuspecting readers don't get confused, and misguided as to the state of Mythtv. Slanderous my foot. > >> > >> I have tried the 'tv_grab_au' from one list but did not work for me. > >> Are you able to post the code for this script ? > > > > > > the python one from the list works. > > > > OK, this explains why my channel list does not work consistently. > I am using the perl version. > > This is something new as far as I'm concerned, this python version. > > The weather web pages work but I get 'blank and black' screen when > I switch to viewing TV channels. This is due to incorrect channels > information in my MySQL MythTV database. > > > > >> There is NO 'tv_grab_au' from the de-facto http://www.xmltv.org > >> server. I suspect because there is none that works consistently. > > > > > > There is no legal source here > > > > Yep, that's what I gathered from the list. > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:02:01 +1100, Shaun Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi SLUGgers > > Has anyone had much luck installing and using digital TV tuner card > under Linx? My VCR died the other day and this might be the opporunity I > need to move to recording TV shows onto my computer directly > Buy a set top box and forgot about the tinkering side of things... my topfield works a treat.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 15:41 +1100, Michael Fox wrote: > Buy a set top box and forgot about the tinkering side of things... my > topfield works a treat.. Not so great if you either: a) want to tinker b) don't have a TV ;) -- Cheers, Craige. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:55:59 +1100, Craige McWhirter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 15:41 +1100, Michael Fox wrote: > > > Buy a set top box and forgot about the tinkering side of things... my > > topfield works a treat.. > > Not so great if you either: > > a) want to tinker > b) don't have a TV Each to his own. My wife likes the thing to work, so tinkering and then not having it record something means your likely to sleep in the dog house :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:41 pm, Michael Fox wrote: > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:02:01 +1100, Shaun Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi SLUGgers > > > > Has anyone had much luck installing and using digital TV tuner card > > under Linx? My VCR died the other day and this might be the opporunity I > > need to move to recording TV shows onto my computer directly > > Buy a set top box and forgot about the tinkering side of things... my > topfield works a treat.. I'll 2nd that. I've had one for a little over a year and have started tinkering with hacking some little apps of my own for it :) The firmware developers in Korea are very receptive to suggestions - I asked them if they could code an ogg/theora/vorbis play-back codec a few weeks back. I got an e-mail a few days ago saying they like the idea and are investigating the feasibility :) Woot! James -- "Who cares if it doesn't do anything? It was made with our new Triple-Iso-Bifurcated-Krypton-Gate-MOS process ..." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:24 +1100, James Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'll 2nd that. I've had one for a little over a year and have started > tinkering with hacking some little apps of my own for it :) The firmware > developers in Korea are very receptive to suggestions - I asked them if they > could code an ogg/theora/vorbis play-back codec a few weeks back. I got an > e-mail a few days ago saying they like the idea and are investigating the > feasibility :) Woot! I am waiting for the next firmware to come out, not going to put december 2004 on due to some problems experienced by others. If the unit forgot to tape neighbours or something the wife would be most upset -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
At Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:37:41 +1100, Oscar Plameras wrote: > Angus Lees wrote: > This is because tv_grab_au (from > http://www.onlinetractorparts.com.au/rohbags/xmltvau/) > does not work successfully on my installation. I'll try this perl > version again and the python > version suggested in another post. I'm happy to help debug the problem with the script if you'd like, but I'm going to need more information than that. "In what way doesn't it work?" I presume you've tried running the script standalone (outside mythtv)? -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Hi > > Buy a set top box and forgot about the tinkering side of things... my > > topfield works a treat.. > > Not so great if you either: > > a) want to tinker > b) don't have a TV A set top box is not a recorder; Hard Disk recorders are around $1000. The DVICO fusion + mythtv works well. Setup is a bit of a bitch. See http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/DVICO-Linux/ also http://www.wilsonet.com James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
Angus Lees wrote: At Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:37:41 +1100, Oscar Plameras wrote: Angus Lees wrote: This is because tv_grab_au (from http://www.onlinetractorparts.com.au/rohbags/xmltvau/) does not work successfully on my installation. I'll try this perl version again and the python version suggested in another post. I'm happy to help debug the problem with the script if you'd like, but I'm going to need more information than that. Thanks for offering help to debug. Yes, I will provide more detailed info on 'tv_grab_au'(perl version) as soon as I have re-set my MythTV-Fusion Linux Test Box. I have it setting on a different project at this moment. "In what way doesn't it work?" The 'tv_grab_au' that I downloaded straight from that site complains that something is missing but I can't post the exact words of the error because I have setup my Test Linux box without the MythTV-Fusion at this moment. You said you have been using one for the last six months, so I assume you did some modifications to it to make it work. Is this right ? 'tv_grab_au' does not complete execution at all. Somewhere, along the execution process, it bombs out with an error that says 'something is missing'. I will post the exact message as soon as I have setup my Linux box. A number of other users as you will notice in the MythTV and related lists have the same execution problems that I encountered. None to my knowledge have posted corrections that works in my setup. Some claimed that they have a working version but no details of the 'tv_grab_au' (Perl version is what I'm talking about). As far as I'm concerned, the claim that it works can only be verified if there are details of the install procedure (HOWTO) including the HDTV card used and that I can replicate the HOWTO successfully. Others may have different views on this that may be equally respected. I presume you've tried running the script standalone (outside mythtv)? Yes, I've done this including modifying the script after which I managed to run without errors but the results do not yield the correct ones. I have at least 3 of the previous versions of 'tv_grab_au', none of which works on my MythTV setup. My MythTV setup itself worked because the MythWeather module and of course the MythConfig, etc., are working. I suspect my MythTV channels also works even though I get a Black-Blank Screen when I switch to TV channel. I believed I get this results because my 'tv_grab_au' does not work for now. I learned from various lists, there are legal and technical barriers preventing FREE ACCESS to these services here in Australia. Service providers are looking for fees before allowing access. This is UNDERSTANDABLE and FAIR. Providers have to have a way to sustain themselves and pay for their investments. But to get this commercial service one has to buy also commercial hardware and pty software (TIVO about $1000) which I do not agree with. Besides I'm not keen in having the pleasure of the service, rather I'm just curious in understanding the operations under Open Source environment which I have now, I believe. I just want to finally validate my understanding by having a complete and working system. Until then I can't say my understanding is complete. The HOWTO found on the Internet are all done for one of the countries, other than Australia, AFAIK, with 'tv_grab_??' that is available from the distro of XMLTV. For example, 'tv_grab_jp' which works for me. But I can't test because I'm not in Japan. There are 'tv_grab_??' for North America, Germany, UK, etc and NONE for Australia from the official XMLTV source codes, at least during the last time I checked in November, 2004. Also, none of these HOWTO I referred above is using FUSION-HDTV card. Most are using Hauppage cards. I am reluctant to buy Hauppage card(costing about $500) as I'm not convinced at this stage that the problem is with my FUSION-HDTV card. That's why I'm looking for a decent 'Australian MythTV HOWTO' even with other than FUSION-HDTV card that is proven to work and I can replicate. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Okay, so in the opinion of all those people using mythtv, what do you suggest as the best linux supported card to purchase at this time.. anyone with a budget card that managed to get it working. Also, what sort of speed machine is ideal. I've got a spare 1200Mhz Duron, and I am not sure this would cut the mustard for use as a mythtv machine.. If I decided to tinker with it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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I think it should be fine if you go down the DVB route (and I would suggest you do any way). Im using a twinham card, Whilst is easy to set up in linux and cheap, I do notice the signal quality is lower than it should be (which results in artifacts in play back). In hindsight I would have spent a little more on the cards. Ben de Luca On 14/02/2005, at 11:12 AM, Michael Fox wrote: Okay, so in the opinion of all those people using mythtv, what do you suggest as the best linux supported card to purchase at this time.. anyone with a budget card that managed to get it working. Also, what sort of speed machine is ideal. I've got a spare 1200Mhz Duron, and I am not sure this would cut the mustard for use as a mythtv machine.. If I decided to tinker with it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Well I am about to do an upgrade on my wifes parents machine, and thus means will have surplus the duron 1200. I figure might as well use it for something. If I can get a DVB-T card that supports linux and is reasonably prices (has compared to the higher end cards). Then I'd like to try it out. As on the weekend, I needed to record something and both PVR tuners where recording. :( So back to my questions. Is the duron 1200 with 512mb ram grunty enough and what is the most suitable card. On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:20:07 +1100, Ben de Luca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it should be fine if you go down the DVB route (and I would > suggest you do any way). Im using a twinham card, Whilst is easy to > set up in linux and cheap, I do notice the signal quality is lower than > it should be (which results in artifacts in play back). In hindsight I > would have spent a little more on the cards. > > Ben de Luca > > > On 14/02/2005, at 11:12 AM, Michael Fox wrote: > > > Okay, so in the opinion of all those people using mythtv, what do you > > suggest as the best linux supported card to purchase at this time.. > > anyone with a budget card that managed to get it working. > > > > Also, what sort of speed machine is ideal. I've got a spare 1200Mhz > > Duron, and I am not sure this would cut the mustard for use as a > > mythtv machine.. If I decided to tinker with it. > > -- > > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > > > > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Buy a set top box and forgot about the tinkering side of things... my topfield works a treat.. Not so great if you either: a) want to tinker b) don't have a TV A set top box is not a recorder; Hard Disk recorders are around $1000. The DVICO fusion + mythtv works well. Setup is a bit of a bitch. See http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/DVICO-Linux/ Setup is now made extremely easy by C Pascoe the device driver developer. BTW, C Pascoe is extremely helpful with info on this device driver, a clear indication of professional attitude. He responds promptly to all emails and I'm an ardent advocate of his. Once the source file: DVB-cjp-20041127.tar.gz is downloaded the procedure is mechanical as follows: 1. Untar the downloaded file in a directory, say, /usr/src/redhat/dvd. This is what I have after untarring: [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvb]# ls -la total 756 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Feb 14 11:00 . drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 Feb 13 08:03 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 12345 users2788 Feb 14 10:56 DVB-Build.sh -rw-rw-r-- 1 oscarp oscarp 732602 Feb 10 14:59 DVB-cjp-20041127.tar.gz -rwxr-x--- 1 12345 users2306 Feb 14 11:00 DVB-Init.sh drwxr-xr-x 6 12345 users4096 Dec 5 00:09 dvb-kernel drwxr-xr-x 6 12345 users 12288 Feb 14 10:58 video4linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvb]# 2. With vi, edit 'DVB-Build.sh' and change the line: BUILDDIR=/build to where I untarred the source file, BUILDDIR=/usr/src/redhat/dvb 3. Run 'DVB-Build.sh remove-symbols', 'DVB-Build.sh clean', and then 'DVB-Build.sh'. These will fix the VERSION No conflicts, clean-up the binaries, and recompile the drivers. 4. Finally, run 'DVB-Init.sh start'. This will load device drivers. 5. My dmesg confirms the loaded drivers and shows, snipped Linux video capture interface: v1.00 video_buf_dvb: no version for "dvb_dmxdev_init" found: kernel tainted. cx2388x v4l2 driver version 0.0.4 loaded ACPI: PCI interrupt :02:01.0[A] -> GSI 9 (level, low) -> IRQ 9 cx88[0]: subsystem: 18ac:db00, board: DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T1 [card=15,autodetected] cx88[0]/0: found at :02:01.0, rev: 5, irq: 9, latency: 32, mmio: 0xf200 cx88[0]/0: registered device video0 [v4l2] cx88[0]/0: registered device vbi0 cx2388x dvb driver version 0.0.4 loaded ACPI: PCI interrupt :02:01.2[A] -> GSI 9 (level, low) -> IRQ 9 cx88[0]/2: found at :02:01.2, rev: 5, irq: 9, latency: 32, mmio: 0xf300 cx88[0]/2: cx2388x based dvb card DVB: registering new adapter (cx88[0]). DVB: registering frontend 0 (DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T1)... [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvb]# 6. I have tested and replicated the above procedure on Fedora Core 2 and Core 3 a number of times. The end-result is the same everytime. 7.The next step is install MythTV by following the HOWTO from http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php. This is mostly mechanical too. 8. With all the above efforts my MythTVChannel does not work because 'tv_grab_au' is not working. This is up until December, 2004. 9. I'll get back to it when time permits. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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O Plameras wrote: 7.The next step is install MythTV by following the HOWTO from http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php. This is mostly mechanical too. A word of caution here. While most steps are mechanical the process takes over 8 hours due to a large volume of software apps and libraries to be downloaded using apt-get. There is at least 260MB of data, maybe more if your Linux Dist version is older. I have a clean channel ADSL with 512K download and 256K upload pipes. If you have ADSL with 256K download and 126K upload pipes it might take you over 20 hours to complete the process. Don't attempt to do this with dial-up connections. Then add the time required to configure and re-configure and test. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:42:16 +1100, O Plameras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > O Plameras wrote: > A word of caution here. While most steps are mechanical the process > takes over 8 hours due to a large volume of software apps and > libraries > to be downloaded using apt-get. There is at least 260MB of data, maybe more > if your Linux Dist version is older. > > I have a clean channel ADSL with 512K download and 256K upload pipes. I've got 1500 so download is no problem. Besides if not, just go do something for the few hours and do it the next night after the download. Thanks for the info guys, think I might go a divico fusion.. although the twinhan seems to do the job too and is cheaper. And as others have pointed out works.. although both could be as troublesome as each other. Oh the decisions. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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> Thanks for the info guys, think I might go a divico fusion.. although the > twinhan seems to do the job too and is cheaper. And as others have pointed > out works.. although both could be as troublesome as each other. If the shop has one in a machine (they often put stuff like this in display boxes), take in a good LiveCD and try it out. ;-) - Jeff -- GUADEC 2005: May 29th-31st http://2005.guadec.org/ "The existance of 'someone' is a common myth in volunteer projects." - Mary Gardiner -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:27:28 +1100, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the shop has one in a machine (they often put stuff like this in display > boxes), take in a good LiveCD and try it out. ;-) Yes thats a good idea. Just had a peek, think I might buy the divico fusion one, as it has svideo in (and tv antenna pass through). Although the pass through is not so important as the machine is just going to sit in my room plugged into a tv port that never gets used. Now if I break something tinkering then it won't affect the pvr recording some of my shows and my wifes stuff. Be interesting to see if the duron 1200 has enough grunt to do it. Guess I will find out, if its not I guess I will get a shiny new processor and mainboard later on. BUt atleast I can have a go and see what happens. Thanks for the suggestions. I've bookmarked most of the url's listed, so that when I do get that machine in april/may I will be able to have some reading to do. Thanks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Nice.. Another reason I like that card... its low profile... and comes with low profile pci bracket... just as well, now I can use it in a black aopen h340b case ;) On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:50:01 +1100, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Michael Fox wrote:- > > >think I might buy the divico fusion one, as it has > > Thats why I like it. Under Windoze XP its allowed me to easily copy my old > tapes, and tapes from my wife's family overseas ( PAL and NTSC) to digital > on my hard drive, then I convert and burn them to DVD. > > The SVideo helps as my VCR is MultiRegion and has SVideo and is Super VHS > and VHS ET so it can handle any tape type. > > Have to convert the tapes before VCRs are no longer available ( decent ones > are almost impossible to get now). > > Bill > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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At Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:05:49 +1100, Oscar Plameras wrote: > 'tv_grab_au' does not complete execution at all. Somewhere, along the > execution process, it bombs out with an error that says 'something is > missing'. > I will post the exact message as soon as I have setup my Linux box. I'd guess that you needed to install some additional Perl library. The error message would have told you which one. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
