RE: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color
I fly with bald eagles on a near daily basis. If you are ahead and below them, they will occasionally come over and look at you. If you are above or behind them, they will evade and fly further on down the beach. I've only been attacked once, by an immature eagle. He took a claw sized chunk out of the leading edge on a WACO Mosquito and then proceeded on down the beach feeling very proud of himself. I write this off as a bad case of teenage avian hormones. Phil in Vancouver ps Seagulls are a lot more fun, they will follow you through most moves but don't go inverted. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Delegating Shipping
>I will let them pack and ship the items for me. < I can recall a bad situation mentioned on rec.models.rc.air where someone had won an R/C copter on Ebay and the seller tried to bill the winner an extra $100 or so due to UPS shipping fees (the seller had originally quoted something like $70-80 for shipping). The seller simply dropped off the copter at UPS and "let UPS pack and ship it". Some of that amount was how much they charged for doing all the packing, maybe gold-plated bubble wrap while they were at it. And perhaps overkill on shipping box size that perhaps unnecessarily kicked it into an extra-extra oversize category. So, unless one really values their time a whole lot, it is a lot cheaper to at least pack it yourself. And these 3rd party shipping centers do not make money by charging you what UPS charges, they add on their own charges. Although I can't say for sure if the official "UPS Store" franchises cost more than going directly to the UPS distribution center. I myself am fortunate that the local UPS distribution center is only about a 15 minute drive away. I could drop a box off at a "Mailboxes Etc." that's only 3 minutes away, but I know it would cost me several dollars more every time (the only time I've used those type of places is during a trip when I need to ship my model stuff back home, and it indeed costs more). - George Gassaway RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] shipping
> A short time after the computerized system became effective, "phase two" > kicked in. That was an increase in shipping rates of all sorts. Not just the > base rate but things like the over length fee which went from $5 to $7. At > that point UPS became very expensive, relatively speaking He's right and I was told that they re-structured their oversized rate. They use to charge for 30lbs. if your package was oversized, but it jumped to 70lbs a few years ago. I was told by UPS that the majority of business was 5lb. to 10lb. small packages from all of the E-commerce, so they structured their rate to account for how many of those packages would fit in the volume occupied by a single oversize package. They set it up so they would make the same $$ for a comparable shipping volume. FedEx bought out or contracted RPVI trucking for their ground division and their rate is similar to the UPS rate of 5 years ago. I have had good service from them. Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] US F3B TS
Did the TS start today? Anybody know how it's going? D ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Scale fighters at Visalia
On 10/8/04 18:06 Paul Emerson wrote: > Could someone provide details on the 2 small scale WWII fighters The details are that they both crashed within seconds of each other. Very impressive. Kudos to Larry Jolly and Craig Greening for the superb demonstration of synchronized crashing!!! These are sold by Hobby Lobby. I believe Larry said they were the Alpha Models brand. Appeared to fly very well (that is until they impacted Mother earth!!) Gotta get one soon!! Love the FW190 ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] I'm not well!!! I'm not well?
That may be so... But you sir are going straight to hell. No hope dude...your toast. You know it and I know it. So there... BTW...You have been known to design a few airships... What about a plane for the great and wonderful Bozo? Lands like a chuckie and legs like... Never mind legs... Just say it goes fast... Your friend Bozo Trying to get the plane he deserves RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color
I had a hawk hit my sailplane that is white with a red canopy, it left talon marks on the canopy. Earlier another hawk made an aggressive dive at the same sailplane with talons extended but veered away before making contact. - Original Message - From: "Martin Usher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color > Someone recently sent me a video clip of Zagis being harassed by a hawk. One > Zagi was white on the top surface and red on the underside, the other was > red. The hawk wouldn't leave the planes alone until they were on the ground. > > Zagis are pretty maneuverable but the hawk could run rings around them. > > Martin Usher > > - Original Message - > From: "Brent Hoover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 5:29 PM > Subject: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color > > > > While out flying yesterday, I got to wondering about the times we have > heard > > of a bird attacking an airplane. I do not remember if any mention was > made > > of the planes colors. Anybody out there with info in this?? > > Brent > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" > and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with > MIME turned off. > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Bozo has needs...
If Bozo does not get some results I'm gonna sign each and everyone on this list to a full season of "Laser Hair Removal" I know there are couple of perves out there who already subscribe...but the rest of you guys better get crackin... Lean on our Glider designers to get with the program. Bozo RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Bozo Wants to know...Icons and whatever else
I can't seem to see who was flying what at Visalia. Top twenty planes would be nice. All Icons? Whatsup? Your friend Bozo Why cant I get the plane I deserve? Specs: Launch to the moon... Go like a bat out of hell (F3B/DS) Slowdown and land like a handlaunch. (I can land the shit out of a chuckie) I'm so tired of having to compromise. Why won't you kick ass designers do something about this...Come on I ain't getting any younger guys. Give me the plane I really deserve. After all, Bozo has needs. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color
Someone recently sent me a video clip of Zagis being harassed by a hawk. One Zagi was white on the top surface and red on the underside, the other was red. The hawk wouldn't leave the planes alone until they were on the ground. Zagis are pretty maneuverable but the hawk could run rings around them. Martin Usher - Original Message - From: "Brent Hoover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color > While out flying yesterday, I got to wondering about the times we have heard > of a bird attacking an airplane. I do not remember if any mention was made > of the planes colors. Anybody out there with info in this?? > Brent > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color
At 05:29 PM 10/8/2004, Brent Hoover wrote: While out flying yesterday, I got to wondering about the times we have heard of a bird attacking an airplane. I do not remember if any mention was made of the planes colors. Anybody out there with info in this?? I had a Monarch 2m, white with yellow and black trim. It was attacked by a large hawk in the fall (not nesting season). I've also had a completely yellow sloper that was hit by a hawk. I've always tucked tail and ran when any bird was upset with my being up there. I've never in any way harassed any bird, figuring it's their air and I'm simply borrowing it. Most recently, I was out at a new field. I'd launch and out of no where a very large red tailed hawk would be directly above me. He would follow me turn for turn always directly above me maybe 20-30 feet. After a few minutes the hawk, seemingly satisfied that whatever I was flying wasn't a threat, would move on. This happened perhaps 6-8 times. After awhile I never saw that hawk again. Neat! Bill -- Possibility is the secret heart of time. John O'Donohue Bill Johns & Cheryl Greenstreet Colton, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color
All my sailplanes that have been attacked were yellow. Years ago, a Hawk attacked my yellow Olympic II and shredded the Monokote on the top of both wings. Buddy Roos -Original Message- From: Brent Hoover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color While out flying yesterday, I got to wondering about the times we have heard of a bird attacking an airplane. I do not remember if any mention was made of the planes colors. Anybody out there with info in this?? Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color
Few years ago, I launched my 1/7.5 scale ASK13 into a gaggle of kites. (BThere must have been well over a dozen of them circling in a same thermal. (BCouple of the birds made few aggressive moves toward my plane, attacking (Bit, but wiggling my wings turned them away. The plane had white top, blue (Bbottom fuse and white wing. A memorable moment and fligtht in my R/C (BSoaring career. (B (BToshiro Saruwatari (B (B- Original Message - (BFrom: "Brent Hoover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (BTo: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (BSent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:29 AM (BSubject: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color (B (B (B> While out flying yesterday, I got to wondering about the times we have (Bheard (B> of a bird attacking an airplane. I do not remember if any mention was (Bmade (B> of the planes colors. Anybody out there with info in this?? (B> Brent (B> (B> RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" (Band "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that (Bsubscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with (BMIME turned off. (B (B (BRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and (B"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and (Bunsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Scale fighters at Visalia
Could someone provide details on the 2 small scale WWII fighters flying Friday or Saturday after hours? They were very cool and quiet! Thanks again CVRC. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color
A few years back, I was flying my LB2 hand launch and got in with a couple of hawks. I made an aggressive move on them and one of them had a bowel movement on my wing. Does that count ??? The wing was yellow, then turned yellow and ... The only attack I have had was on a all red sailplane. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: "Brent Hoover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: [RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color > While out flying yesterday, I got to wondering about the times we have heard > of a bird attacking an airplane. I do not remember if any mention was made > of the planes colors. Anybody out there with info in this?? > Brent > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Thank You CVRC
Thanks to all of you at CVRC for putting on another great contest. You do such a great job every year and I hope that you realize how much we all appreciate your efforts. The contest is so well run that it is truly a pleasure to participate. I don't think a contest can get much better than the Visalia Fall Festival, and that is due to a tremendous amount of effort and hard work on your part. Thank You All, Terry Mickle Southern Oregon Soaring Society RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Bird attacks vs. airplane color
While out flying yesterday, I got to wondering about the times we have heard of a bird attacking an airplane. I do not remember if any mention was made of the planes colors. Anybody out there with info in this?? Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Tragi 705 X
The Tragi 705 X-tail caught my eye at Visalia and I would appreciate hearing from those who fly one. (Build quality is in a class by itself!) Could you give me some TD performance feedback on the current version of the Tragi 705 X-tail (carbon). To include both the upside and any shortcomings. Thank you! Pastor Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Shipping, Airlines and Sportube..woes
Hi guys, A relatively new development is that they have lately been messing with my Sportube...AFTER it has been inspected and reclosed...along the way. I stood with the TSA inspector on four seperate occassions, and they inspected and reclosed and relocked my Sportube, but when it got to the destination the lock was missing and the tube was free to slide open. I demanded a TSA manager and a United luggage Manager to be together in order to figure out what it was going to take for me to comply with their needs and interests. Also my Sportube is getting beat the crap on each trip. The bottom corners caved in and the wheel axle bent. United guy said file a claim, bring it in and they will send it out for repairs (stupid cuz there's no way they can fix what is damaged) and TSA says that once the luggage is inspected and sealed (with my lock or a TSA Aprroved lock from Home Depot, it has combination rollers on it edge and a common TSA key on its bottom) ..once it is sealed in my presence it is never opened again. Neither could explain why the locks end up missing and they all have a form to fill out, which in the end spells out that they are only authorized to apologize, not actually do anything about it. I have had two instances of actual TSA inspector vandalism (holes poked in the carbon wing and a broken vertical) so the Sportube has been protecting the contents perfectly against conveyors and packingbut not from people. I am going to try the TSA lock thing, its pretty small or at least the one I saw at HD is so far and not sure it will fit the Sportube. I'll keep looking for others though. DHL ships the Sportube really well for going to contests...for about $16 I think. I'll keep this thread updated.Gordy Louisville today, Mass Sunday...as in the state :-)
Re: [RCSE] shipping
Another viable option is DHL Express. They bought out Airborne Express. I recently shipped a plane at half the price of UPS. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA > From: "Phil Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:54:17 -0400 > To: "'RCSE'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [RCSE] shipping > > I used to ship everything via UPS ground. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] shipping
I used to ship everything via UPS ground. After they computerized their shipping outlets, two things happened: First, every package got charged for the full rate including oversize rates, excess length charge, special handling fee, etc. Prior to computerization the person accepting the package was responsible for knowing which rates to charge. Almost always the people working the counter had no clue what the correct rates were and would just weigh the box and charge only the straight rate based on weight only. With the computerized system they just measure three dimensions of every package and enter that into the computer. The computer charges the appropriate rate and never misses any of the aforementioned charges. So UPS got a lot more expensive after they got computerized but at least the shipping charge became predictable. A short time after the computerized system became effective, "phase two" kicked in. That was an increase in shipping rates of all sorts. Not just the base rate but things like the over length fee which went from $5 to $7. At that point UPS became very expensive, relatively speaking and I decided to check out Fedex ground/ Fedex home delivery. Fedex was way cheaper and they also operated out of my local Kinkos only one block away from home. The Fedex Kinkos is just a Fedex location operating out of the Kinkos store. It charges the same rates as the "regular" Fedex location. In fact I was even able to set up a Fedex account and print shipping labels on my computer at home. All I do is drop off the packages at the Fedex Kinkos, no waiting in line. You could probably set up a UPS account and ship via local UPS stores also but for now UPS is a lot more expensive. That may change in the future. UPS may be forced to lower rates due to the competition. Also, Fedex may begin to raise rates once they have more fully established their ground system. Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] LISF Annual Aerotow will be held on Saturday October 16, 2004
The Long Island Silent Flyers Annual Aerotow will be a one day event to be held on Saturday 16, 2004 starting at 10:00 (rain date is Sunday October 17). The aerotow will be held at the Stillwell Woods Park Preserve in Syosset, New York. The field is situated on a beautiful 365 acre preserve. Directions to the field are as follows: From the Long Island Expressway (Route 495) take Exit 44N (Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway - Route 135). Go north to the Jericho Turnpike East (Route 25) Exit which is the next to the last exit on Route 135. Go on Jericho Turnpike east to Southwoods Road. Make a left onto Southwoods Road going north. Proceed north 2 1/4 miles on Southwoods Road to the Stillwell Woods Park Preserve on the right. (You will pass Syosset High School on the left.) Make a right into the preserve parking lot and follow the road along the right side of the soccer field to the gated entrance to the preserve. Proceed 1/4 mile from the gate to the field. If you have any questions contact Fred Tyra after 7:30 p.m. at 631 427-0605 or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Further info on the club and directions to the field / map may be found at www.lisf.org
[RCSE] Teeny Tiny HLG on Ebay
Here's one for the HLG aficionado's http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5926179058 or, search for Thermal Wizard Russ
Re: Re: [RCSE] shipping
> The cost is not 3 to 5 times what it should be, it sounds like it is 3 to 5 times > more than you want to pay. This is true. > I spent probably close to 2 to 3 hours dealing with UPS to file my claim plus the receiver spent time as well taking the package back to UPS. How often do you have to do this? I have shipped hundreds of packages including oversized ones and never had to deal with this, so I can assume it doesn't happen to every shipment. Paying an extra $40.00 per shipment just for protection is still not worth it in my opinion. If packages were being routinely destroyed I would view it differently, but you have to amortize that 3 hour negotiation into ALL of your shipping experience. My $.02. Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: Re: [RCSE] shipping
Jon, I know the one they packed for me that they did a very good job on. I watched them pack it. Also, they know all of the UPS regs and requirements and pack it accordingly. I would guess that is why the guarantee a hassle free claim process in event of damage. I am also going to check out pricing at Kinko's now too. They are affiliating themselves with Fedex and are claiming cheaper rates than UPS. From the sounds of some recent shipments by other list members, Fedex may be a cheaper way to go if they also guarantee their packaging. See Ya, Pat > > From: Jon Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/10/08 Fri PM 02:21:41 EDT > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Re: [RCSE] shipping > > - Original Message - > From: "Pat McCleave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > My customer was more than happy to pay it since he got a nice pristine > plane when the big box arrived. > > I will gladly pay the difference for the peace of mind in the future. > > > > Does the UPS store do a "superior" packing job for fragile stuff? If so, > maybe airplane vendors/distributors could learn to pack the way these guys > do. > > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and > unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] shipping
After Visalia, I shipped my planes home in a Sport Tube to Minneapolis which weighed 23 pounds. UPS Ground: $68 at a UPS Store Fed Ex Home Delivery: $37 (Same package) I have not experienced any problems with Fed Ex Home Delivery if the item is packed properly inside and out. Pastor Bill -Original Message- From: Aerofoam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:45 PM To: RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] shipping Any future > shipments though with UPS will be through one of their UPS stores where I > will let them pack and ship the items for me. They guarantee a total > hassle free experience The problem with this is that they charge 3 to 5 times more than it should cost to ship. I was at one of these stores and shipped a 9lb. medium sized package for about $12.00. (it would have cost about $7.50 for FedEx ground) I had packed it myself and also had a significant discount for having an account at the store. A guy came in with a speedometer assembly for a classic car and let the store do the packing and supply the materials. This object was about 5lbs and slightly larger than a bread box. They charged him $28.00 to box and ship it from Phx. to L.A. It was a standard 5 day shipment. I am not willing to pay that much to send or receive a package. Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: Re: [RCSE] shipping
- Original Message - From: "Pat McCleave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > My customer was more than happy to pay it since he got a nice pristine plane when the big box arrived. > I will gladly pay the difference for the peace of mind in the future. > Does the UPS store do a "superior" packing job for fragile stuff? If so, maybe airplane vendors/distributors could learn to pack the way these guys do. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: 9303 availability...
Any of you distributors with 9303's currently available? -Les Grammer Check with Johnny Berlin. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Johnny Berlin) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: Re: [RCSE] shipping
Mark, The cost is not 3 to 5 times what it should be, it sounds like it is 3 to 5 times more than you want to pay. I spent probably close to 2 to 3 hours dealing with UPS to file my claim plus the receiver spent time as well taking the package back to UPS. If you figure even $10.00/hr (I do not work that cheap at my day job)that would have saved me $20-$30 bucks on the shipment right there by going to the UPS Store. Also, the last time I used them to ship a plane, they boxed it, insured and shipped to CA from KS for ~ $60.00. They furnished the box and all packing materials, was open on a Saturday and were conveniently located to my house, so it was worth every penny. My customer was more than happy to pay it since he got a nice pristine plane when the big box arrived. I will gladly pay the difference for the peace of mind in the future. See Ya, Pat > > From: "Aerofoam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/10/08 Fri PM 01:45:28 EDT > To: "RCSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [RCSE] shipping > > Any future > > shipments though with UPS will be through one of their UPS stores where I > > will let them pack and ship the items for me. They guarantee a total > > hassle free experience > > The problem with this is that they charge 3 to 5 times more than it should cost to > ship. > I was at one of these stores and shipped a 9lb. medium sized > package for about $12.00. (it would have cost about $7.50 for FedEx ground) > I had packed it myself and also had a significant discount for having an account > at the store. > A guy came in with a speedometer assembly for a classic car and let the store > do the packing and supply the materials. This object was about 5lbs and slightly > larger than a bread box. They charged him $28.00 to box and ship it from > Phx. to L.A. It was a standard 5 day shipment. > > I am not willing to pay that much to send or receive a package. > > Mark Mech > www.aerofoam.com > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and > unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] shipping
Any future > shipments though with UPS will be through one of their UPS stores where I > will let them pack and ship the items for me. They guarantee a total > hassle free experience The problem with this is that they charge 3 to 5 times more than it should cost to ship. I was at one of these stores and shipped a 9lb. medium sized package for about $12.00. (it would have cost about $7.50 for FedEx ground) I had packed it myself and also had a significant discount for having an account at the store. A guy came in with a speedometer assembly for a classic car and let the store do the packing and supply the materials. This object was about 5lbs and slightly larger than a bread box. They charged him $28.00 to box and ship it from Phx. to L.A. It was a standard 5 day shipment. I am not willing to pay that much to send or receive a package. Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Contact Ed Whyte
Does any one have a recent email or phone for Ed Whyte. The link on Hilaunch kicks back and I'd like to find out about his stabs and rudder. Maurice RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] 9303 availability...
Any of you distributors with 9303's currently available? -Les Grammer RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] What Brown Did for Me (The Outcome)
I have learned that the box needs to be an exoskeleton, and the contents must be not only padded, but immobilized within the container, like your sattalite dish example. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Andrew E Mileski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] What Brown Did for Me (The Outcome) John Derstine wrote: > I recently got an inside "look" at UPS operations thanks to my son > David. David is a college student and just got a job with UPS part time > evening in Harrisburg PA. A close friend has had a tour of the main hub facility for one of the major couriers. He reported that it is amazing anything arrives without damage. Most noteworthy is the automated device that moves boxes from one conveyor belt to the next. Boxes come in on the main conveyor, and are sorted onto other conveyors. The boxes are shifted onto the other conveyors by means of a device he described as a boot-on-a-stick. The boxes tumble on the the destination conveyor from the elevated main conveyor. Since boxes come in all shapes and sizes, this is apparently the most efficient method. Apparently it doesn't work well with luggage, as it is too soft, as the required kicking force in that case is high enough to cause significant damage. On the same note, the differing sizes resulted in more damage from boxes getting stuck creating a log jam on the conveyors. I can imagine a long boxed airplane would be the cause of many such log jams, especially where the conveyor system curves. Reminds me of a tech start-up I once worked for, where one person was tasked with testing packaging after a high unit DOA. For at least a week he kicked and threw a shipping container up and down 24 flights of stairs. The container was unpacked and checked for functionality. This was repeated a few more times before new shipping containers were created that surrounded the item with thick foam rubber. Loose material like peanuts shifted and bubble wrap burst. I've also seen a 30" self-aiming satellite dish that was shipped to Canada from somewhere in Yugoslavia. It took 2 techs over a day to extricate the dish and gear from the wooden shipping container. Every single item was bolted to the box, and was a structural part of it. There had to be more bolts than there are rivets in the Eiffel tower. Quite impressive package engineering. Zero damage of course. I didn't bother to ask about the shipping and handling charges on this one! -- Andrew E. Mileski RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Flite Lite composites??
Is Flite Lite Composites still around They used to be in Cotati, California LeeLeeCox-Nevada, U.S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
[RCSE] Delegating Shipping
>I will let them pack and ship the items for me. Aren't those UPS stores franchises? Or, does UPS provide the liability coverage? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] another glider radio
LiftZone has a nice overview of the Futaba 9C Super radio. It has some new features more friendly to glider pilots. http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4600 A few prices at Tower. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0091P?&C=JQR&V=FUT I have not found any manuals online yet at http://www.futaba-rc.com Looks like these new features take out some of the major annoyances of the 9C for glider pilots: - can setup so butterfly is active always (no switch) - can have 4 flight modes. Futaba calls them conditions. With separate camber, ail diff, trims, etc. We REALLY have a lot to choose from these days, regardless of brand preference. Seems nearly all of the major manufacturers now have full-house glider friendly TX's for well under $500. Jon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] What Brown Did for Me (The Outcome)
John Derstine wrote: I recently got an inside "look" at UPS operations thanks to my son David. David is a college student and just got a job with UPS part time evening in Harrisburg PA. A close friend has had a tour of the main hub facility for one of the major couriers. He reported that it is amazing anything arrives without damage. Most noteworthy is the automated device that moves boxes from one conveyor belt to the next. Boxes come in on the main conveyor, and are sorted onto other conveyors. The boxes are shifted onto the other conveyors by means of a device he described as a boot-on-a-stick. The boxes tumble on the the destination conveyor from the elevated main conveyor. Since boxes come in all shapes and sizes, this is apparently the most efficient method. Apparently it doesn't work well with luggage, as it is too soft, as the required kicking force in that case is high enough to cause significant damage. On the same note, the differing sizes resulted in more damage from boxes getting stuck creating a log jam on the conveyors. I can imagine a long boxed airplane would be the cause of many such log jams, especially where the conveyor system curves. Reminds me of a tech start-up I once worked for, where one person was tasked with testing packaging after a high unit DOA. For at least a week he kicked and threw a shipping container up and down 24 flights of stairs. The container was unpacked and checked for functionality. This was repeated a few more times before new shipping containers were created that surrounded the item with thick foam rubber. Loose material like peanuts shifted and bubble wrap burst. I've also seen a 30" self-aiming satellite dish that was shipped to Canada from somewhere in Yugoslavia. It took 2 techs over a day to extricate the dish and gear from the wooden shipping container. Every single item was bolted to the box, and was a structural part of it. There had to be more bolts than there are rivets in the Eiffel tower. Quite impressive package engineering. Zero damage of course. I didn't bother to ask about the shipping and handling charges on this one! -- Andrew E. Mileski RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] What Brown Did for Me (The Outcome)
I recently got an inside "look" at UPS operations thanks to my son David. David is a college student and just got a job with UPS part time evening in Harrisburg PA. He works about 4-5 hour shifts. His job is to off load the conveyor belts and scan and load tractor trailers at the hub in Harrisburg (one of the largest). He said there is no time to even read any labels cautions, this side up, or top load markings, (I know this and do it anyway mostly for my customers piece of mind), any way, he said the conveyors go so fast they end up dumping the parcels in a heap faster than they can possibly be scanned and loaded. He reported to me last evening that he recorded a personal best record, 1400 parcels scanned and loaded on his shift. He typically loads 2-4 semis at one time. It is a job for the young, whew... The company treats its college students very well actually, and David will qualify for a $1300.00 grant compliments of UPS at the end of the semester. Certainly the work alone is enough to encourage higher education. Moral of the story, pack better, or delegate as you mentioned. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Pat McCleave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:51 AM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] What Brown Did for Me (The Outcome) Guys, I thought I would follow up with how my dealings with UPS went after they broke my Fusion in half. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] What Brown Did for Me (The Outcome)
Glad you got satisfaction Pat. The problem isn't just "brown" though, as we all know. I ordered one of the Mini-Flacons from Tom Copp at F3X. It got here, via USPS Priority Mail, and the box was crushed in several places. Inside, there was damage to the wing to the point that the skin was actually "torn" at the end of the aileron. I called Tom and he sent out a second plane immediately (cool). That box also came in the same condition...crushed. However, the 2nd plane survived a bit better than the 1st one. I still have issues with the plane but that's a different issue. Tom's on vacation now so I won't be able to resolve things until the end of the month. The way you handled your claim was the correct response although, for what we pay in shipping charges/insurance coverage, you shouldn't have to jump through hoops to get satisfaction. -Sheldon- -Original Message- From: Pat McCleave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:51 AM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] What Brown Did for Me (The Outcome) Guys, I thought I would follow up with how my dealings with UPS went after they broke my Fusion in half. I of course immediately started the claim process as soon as I found out the shipment had been damaged. I asked the receiver to take the plane to the local UPS Store for inspection. The UPS Store basically taped up the package and shipped it back to me and filed the necessary paperwork with the claims department. A couple of days later a representative called me and informed me that they were rejecting the claim as I expected them to do. I kept a calm demeanor (which was very hard for me) and started talking to representative about the way the plane was packaged and the extent of the damage to the box and to the plane and he decided to call the receiver and talk to him as well about the packing, the box damage and the plane damage. He decided after talking to both of us that the box had been "Handled Beyond Normal and Customary UPS Handling" and decided to honor the claim. He then sent me an official claim form and asked for me to attach proof of value for the items. This is where things got a little tricky since Fred did not have a website showing the plane and it's replacement costs and they would not accept and email from Fred as proof. Luckily I was able to find what I needed on Don Richmond's Hilaunch site. UPS will also allow the use of like items so I was able to get info for the RES wings by using a copy off of NESP's site for a replacement Victory Wing. The servos were easy thanks to JR's and Hitec's websites. Once all that information was faxed into the claim rep he called me again and told me check would be cut and mailed within 10 working days. Well today the check arrived for the total amount of the insured value plus my shipping costs. It took right at about 3 weeks from report of damage to receiving the check. The nice thing is I got to keep the plane so I can at least try to salvage the fuse and RES wings. I am not sure if the flap aileron wings are worth trying to salvage except for the servos. I found the people at UPS were very nice and helpful and one very common response with everyone I talked to was "I am very sorry for the inconvenience this had caused you". Bottom line, is Brown really did work for me. Any future shipments though with UPS will be through one of their UPS stores where I will let them pack and ship the items for me. They guarantee a total hassle free experience on any damaged shipment that they pack and ship from their Company Stores. Well I have rambled on long enough. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
