RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
With one of those Piccilario altimeters?? :-) We really need to test our altitude measuring devices somehow. I am not doubting the good eyes, I have see Johnny B. tow too very high altitudes, but a Pegasus at 4000' agl is invisible. I will gladly stand corrected if someone can prove or verify these kinds of altitude claims. Maybe we should put a pic, a Sky melody, an Eagle Tree system, and a Casio watch in one plane and see what we get for grins. I will loan the Sky melody/sky panel. I calibrated mine last year. It is accurate to 3-10 feet in 1000' altitude gain. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Dennis Hoyle WMSS Sec / Treasurer / Web Geek Last August Troy Lawicki flew his 2M Duck to 4077' feet at the 2M MOM contest. That guy has got eagle eyes. Whipped my measly 3604' with my Sapphire -Original Message- From: Johnny Berlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:52 PM To: Mark Wales; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject 3999 ft. 2004 Nats cross contry scale..Pegasus tow plane Johnny RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
Glad to se the list alive again, with regards to full scale sighting models it has been my experience talking to full scale glider pilots that they will indeed see a large scale ship circling with them and think that it is another aircraft, but they will also think it is 3 times farther away if it is a 1/3 scale. We need to get out of the way. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Martin Usher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 1:21 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider If you are not flying in the area of full size traffic and the risk of that happening is low, I would not lose a lot of sleep over this. (Bill Malvey) If you are out in the sticks flying one of those big scale ships you're going to look just like any other traffic to a passing plane. They should just steer out of your way (like they're supposed to do for gliders, I believe) and not give you another thought. I notice that aviation charts are marked with areas where you're likely to find sailplanes, ultralights, skydivers and so on. It doesn't seem to reserve these areas (that is, you're going to find the noted activity there and only there) but its just a warning to the user to watch for this activity. We should claim a piece of that pie, we're legitimate users of airspace too -- we've just got to get people to stop thinking of modelling as something you do with sticks of balsa, tissue and rubber bands. Martin Usher Incidentally, returning to the original subject of this thread, this site first popped some time ago, it even got its own thread in RCSE. They're Canadians, they seem to know what they're doing and it looks like a fun project for them. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
I was there, its true, as I heard the Altimeter (Picolario) report back ! It was a good weekend for the New Nats Schedule. IMOHO --Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- On 1/17/05 17:51 Johnny Berlin wrote:3999 ft. 2004 Nats cross contry scale.. Pegasus tow plane I wish I had your eyes. Assuming no slant range on the plane, that is like looking at a 1/4-inch line from 10 feet away. And that would be the wingspan!! ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
In a message dated 1/18/2005 6:14:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not doubting the good eyes, I have see Johnny B. tow too very highaltitudes, but a Pegasus at 4000' agl is invisible. I will gladly standcorrected if someone can prove or verify these kinds of altitude claims.Maybe we should put a pic, a Sky melody, an Eagle Tree system, and aCasio watch in one plane and see what we get for grins.I will loan the Sky melody/sky panel. I calibrated mine last year. It isaccurate to 3-10 feet in 1000' altitude gain. A barometric altimeter will not be accurate to within 3-10 feet in 1000. This is a 0.3% to 1.0% error. The error in an electronic barometric altimeter comes from 3 sources; the ability of the altimeter to correctlysense the atmospheric pressure, the accuracy of theatmospheric model thatis used to convert pressure to altitude, and the deviation of the atmosphere from the standards set in the model, primarily temperature. The first source of error, the accuracy of the altimeter's pressure sensing, is what can be calibrated. Even so, it is difficult to get the unit to hold an accuracy of less than 0.5% over a period of time. The second source of error, the atmospheric model, is based on an ideal version of the atmosphere where the temperature at sea level is 15C, the pressure is 29.92, and the temperature decreases with altitude at a rate of about 1.98C per 1000 feet. Any deviation from these ideal conditions will introduce an error into the altitude reading. Even under these ideal conditions, the model is still a model, it is not exact. The third source of error is probably the greatest one, and that is a deviation in temperature from the ideal atmospheric model. Full scale pilots know that when it's cold outside, a barometric altimeter will read high. Conversely, if it's hot out, an altimeter will read low. Fortunately, over the temperature range that we typically fly our models at, the effect is not that great, but you can see errors of over 5%if flying near freezing or 100F and not compensating for temperature. We've done a lot of testing and have found that typically, after temperature compensation, our altimeters will read within about 2% of actual altitude. The majority of the error we see comes from non-ideal atmospheric conditions, not the altimeters themselves. Thanks, Randy Brust Soaring Circuits
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
First, I want to admit that I just stepped onto this thread. Now, for my $.02 worth.. First, and formost, I believe that we as modelers, are supposed to fly in areas where we don't expect to find full size aircraft (including gliders). I read this to mean that we don't fly near airports, and we fly below the altitude of full size aircraft in other areas. Second, we don't need to make a lot of noise about flying with other gliders in thermals. The very last thing we need is attention from FAA or worst case, the NTSB! .bcAG4YQ Williamsburg, VA On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Martin Usher wrote: If you are not flying in the area of full size traffic and the risk of that happening is low, I would not lose a lot of sleep over this. (Bill Malvey) If you are out in the sticks flying one of those big scale ships you're going to look just like any other traffic to a passing plane. They should just steer out of your way (like they're supposed to do for gliders, I believe) and not give you another thought. I notice that aviation charts are marked with areas where you're likely to find sailplanes, ultralights, skydivers and so on. It doesn't seem to reserve these areas (that is, you're going to find the noted activity there and only there) but its just a warning to the user to watch for this activity. We should claim a piece of that pie, we're legitimate users of airspace too -- we've just got to get people to stop thinking of modelling as something you do with sticks of balsa, tissue and rubber bands. Martin Usher Incidentally, returning to the original subject of this thread, this site first popped some time ago, it even got its own thread in RCSE. They're Canadians, they seem to know what they're doing and it looks like a fun project for them. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
Anyone know the ground elevation in this area? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was there, its true, as I heard the Altimeter (Picolario) report back ! It was a good weekend for the New Nats Schedule. IMOHO -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- On 1/17/05 17:51 Johnny Berlin wrote: 3999 ft. 2004 Nats cross contry scale.. Pegasus tow plane I wish I had your eyes. Assuming no slant range on the plane, that is like looking at a 1/4-inch line from 10 feet away. And that would be the wingspan!! ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 1-18-05 7:20 AM wrote: The first source of error, the accuracy of the altimeter's pressure sensing, is what can be calibrated. [...] The second source of error, the atmospheric model, [...] The third source of error is probably the greatest one, and that is a deviation in temperature from the ideal atmospheric model. [...] [...] The majority of the error we see comes from non-ideal atmospheric conditions, not the altimeters themselves. Randy Brust Soaring Circuits Randy and others, What are the error/accuracy/precision rates of a GPS system and how do they compare to the pressure sensing systems? And of course, how does the cost of a GPS based altimeter system compare. -- Jim Holliman -- Tulsa, Oklahoma AMA TULSOAR RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
The Picolario calibrates itself to ground level, and all altitudes reported are relative to where it was switched on. Anker At 08:47 AM 1/18/2005, Ben Diss wrote: Anyone know the ground elevation in this area? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was there, its true, as I heard the Altimeter (Picolario) report back ! It was a good weekend for the New Nats Schedule. IMOHO -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- On 1/17/05 17:51 Johnny Berlin wrote: 3999 ft. 2004 Nats cross contry scale.. Pegasus tow plane I wish I had your eyes. Assuming no slant range on the plane, that is like looking at a 1/4-inch line from 10 feet away. And that would be the wingspan!! ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
Standard GPS error (drift) can be as high as 16 meters due to the geometry of the constellation and path link errors in the atmosphere. The new WAAS enabled GPS receivers are supposed to be accurate within 3 meters 90% of the time. They use a ground based reference signal to give a more accurate positioning fix. Unlike the old DGPS, all you need is a WAAS enabled receiver to be able to get that accuracy. A neat test to do is take a non-WAAS enabled GPS and zoom in as far as you can on your position. You can actually watch the fix wander around your position as the fix drifts. There a several inexpensive GPS receivers out there that can be put in an RC aircraft to measure altitude and position. The Foretrex 201is very light, compact, and is WAAS enabled. There have been several posts on the list about using them and software that can be used to plot your flight when you land. Cool Stuff. Happy flying, Jim www.jtmodels.com What are the error/accuracy/precision rates of a GPS system and how do they compare to the pressure sensing systems? And of course, how does the cost of a GPS based altimeter system compare. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Photos of recent F3F Race - Pt Fermin. CA
Last Saturday was the kickoff F3F race for the 2005 SCSR flying season, and of course the wind in SoCal was non-existent. With a high likelihood of being skunked, we opted for scenic Point Fermin, in San Pedro, CA (LA Harbor), because it's a very pleasant place to spend a few hours waiting for wind Well, Pt Fermin did not disappoint and while winds were 2-3 mph easterly all across LA, we were rewarded with our faith with 10mph west wind, right into the bowl. A race was successfully completed at the end of 4 rounds without mishap. Here are some photos. www.socalsloperacing.com/gallery/f3f/20050115/ Results: Joe Wurts Icon 3779.81 1 Tom Copp Acacia 2 3629.34 2 Dan Field Acacia 2 3527.88 3 Rey Harju Trinity/Arkanj 3469.30 4 Dave BatesNYX3462.92 5 Mike Sheridan Acacia 2 3431.58 6 Tim Neja Acacia 2 3334.97 7 Bob BreauxStorm 3285.98 8 Nathon Woods Tragi 702 3279.45 9 Kyle Paulson NYX3269.54 10 Pat Russette Storm 3268.75 11 Fred Seaman Gulp SR 60 3179.66 12 Bill DelHagen Acacia 2 3096.92 13 Joe ZepedaMach Dart 60 3091.08 14 Bret Becker Shrike 60 3056.00 15 Joe Manor Avionik 60 2963.81 16 Warren DayBlade XL 1618.34 17 Chris Behin/Target Accelerator 60 1520.82 18 60's Only: Fred SeamanGulp SR 60 3179.657972 1 Bret BeckerShrike 60 3056.00 2 Joe Manor Avionik 60 2963.81 3 Chris Behin/Target Accelerator 60 1520.818453 4 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Frequency Scanners
Adam Till (Cal) wrote: Hi folks, In the market for a scanner for 72mhz (and possibly 50mhz). Doesn't have to do anything more than tell me if there's something on my channel, and some measure of signal strength. Basically, the simpler, the better. Old subject I know, but I seem to remember that the old standard recommendation model scanner has been discontinued. Anyone have one that they want to get rid of? I have these bookmarked under RC - Electronics - Scanners: http://www.geocities.com/roger_forgues/Frequency.html http://www.aerospectra.com/ http://www.magtechinc.net/ -- Andrew E. Mileski RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Frequency Scanners
Thanks for all the suggestions folks, lots to think about. Cheers, Adam RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #4997
Anyone know the ground elevation in this area? Good place to pick up this type of information is: http://www.topozone.com If you've got the coordinates (in several types of units), it will bring up a topo map of the local area complete with USGS elevations, contours, etc. - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Frequency Scanners
Remember, a scanner on the ground, will helpo identify the pilot who left his transmitter on after he landed and put his plane away. But, when you get hit in the air, don't think you are going to find the problem with a ground based scanner, unless it's someone else at the site. When airborne, your model is in an entirely different arena as far as interferrence is concerned. So be careful. Don't put too much faith in a ground based scanner. Now, for a reccomendation. One of our memebers bought a scanner from a highly rewspected manufacurer a few years ago. We were not impressed by it's selectivity. You could hear a transmitter on a the flight line on at least three channels, and sometimes 5 (the primary, say ch-42, and adjacent, ch-41 ch-43and often ch-40 and ch-44). As a HAM, I pruchased a Yeasu VX-5R for 2-m,eter and 440mHz use and was impressed that it also tunes the 72mHz band. When it is set to ch-42, it doesn't respond to any other channel. Makes a real good scanner. .bcAG4YQ Williamsburg, VA On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Adam Till (Cal) wrote: Thanks for all the suggestions folks, lots to think about. Cheers, Adam RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Durable Cell Phone [totally OFF topic]
Let's say you take a tumble down the Los Banos slope. Or you fall off a silly little 50cc dirt bike. Or your stupid cell phone falls off your belt when your plowing with your John Deere tractor. Well each of these things has happened to me over the years and two out of three have broken my cell phone! Does anyone know of a cell phone that's designed to withstand some abuse? I can find nothing. Everything I've found is intended for nothing more challenging than the mall. Someone has got to have addressed this market. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] GPS receivers and transmitters (Was: High Altitude Glider/off subject)
This is kind of a neat idea. Now - does such a thing exist where a GPS receiver is in a plane, and the information is transmitted to a remote source? This would be the ideal altitude/distance/lost airplane item, I'd think. - Dave -Original Message- From: Jim Prouty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 06:04 To: RC Soaring Exchange Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject Standard GPS error (drift) can be as high as 16 meters due to the geometry of the constellation and path link errors in the atmosphere. The new WAAS enabled GPS receivers are supposed to be accurate within 3 meters 90% of the time. They use a ground based reference signal to give a more accurate positioning fix. Unlike the old DGPS, all you need is a WAAS enabled receiver to be able to get that accuracy. A neat test to do is take a non-WAAS enabled GPS and zoom in as far as you can on your position. You can actually watch the fix wander around your position as the fix drifts. There a several inexpensive GPS receivers out there that can be put in an RC aircraft to measure altitude and position. The Foretrex 201is very light, compact, and is WAAS enabled. There have been several posts on the list about using them and software that can be used to plot your flight when you land. Cool Stuff. Happy flying, Jim www.jtmodels.com What are the error/accuracy/precision rates of a GPS system and how do they compare to the pressure sensing systems? And of course, how does the cost of a GPS based altimeter system compare. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
AGL ?? On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:42:32 -0700, Howard Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh... from a winch? 7,717 feet. July 31 2004. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
Yes 7,717 feet AGL -- about 13,000 feet above sea level (Boulder, Co is about 5300') -Original Message- From: jon stone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:31 AM To: Howard Mark Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject AGL ?? On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:42:32 -0700, Howard Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh... from a winch? 7,717 feet. July 31 2004. This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Frequency Scanners
A couple of our club members have ICOM IC-R2 hand-held receivers. These cover a very wide spectrum -- 500KHz to over 1GHz -- and because they're receivers they help you identify the interfering signal. The problem with scanners is that our 72MHz signal gets attenuated rapidly in built-up areas so a model transmitter's reported strength will drop off to unnoticeable after just a couple of streets. This means that you could easily get knocked out of the sky with a signal that just didn't show up on the receiver. The only way to fix this is height. I have been experimenting with an active antenna for these receivers. Its used for Foxhunting, a hobby where you have to go and find hidden transmitters. Its highly directional so the plan is to use it to trace interfering transmitters. It works well but we've had no chance to try it out recently for real since the band's been clear. (The interference is lurking out there, though. I finnally spotted what I was looking for last weekend -- helecopters. I thought this might be going on, we needed someone using R/C that wasn't using a large open space and only flying in calm weather. I spoke to this pilot who told me about the other fliers in the area, there's a bunch of them and none seem to be aware of other R/C activity, clubs, AMA or anything like that...)(He was flying a 40 sized helecopter by himself) Martin Usher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Durable Cell Phone [totally OFF topic]
Google - Kyocera's ruggedized Aktiv K480 cellphone - Original Message - From: Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:45 Subject: [RCSE] Durable Cell Phone [totally OFF topic] Let's say you take a tumble down the Los Banos slope. Or you fall off a silly little 50cc dirt bike. Or your stupid cell phone falls off your belt when your plowing with your John Deere tractor. Well each of these things has happened to me over the years and two out of three have broken my cell phone! Does anyone know of a cell phone that's designed to withstand some abuse? I can find nothing. Everything I've found is intended for nothing more challenging than the mall. Someone has got to have addressed this market. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 06:13:27AM -0500, John Derstine wrote: | With one of those Piccilario altimeters?? :-) We really need to test our | altitude measuring devices somehow. If you feel that your altimeter is grossly innaccurate, it's easy enough to test by just driving around with it and a GPS in your car, assuming that you've got some hills to drive on. The precision of the GPS, even with WAAS, is likely to be lower than that of your altimeter, but it should give you a good idea. This doesn't take into account temperature variations at altitude, but should give you a good general idea of how accurate the device is, especially if you can do something like drive up a 2000' hill. If you can get on the roof of a tall building and compare the readings to that on the ground, that'll work too. -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you receive email saying Send this to everyone you know, PLEASE pretend you don't know me. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Vario for sale
$200, Multiplex Vario with Hoopes TEP mod. The vario unit was $400 and the TEP modification was an additional $100. The units is in like new condition. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Vision Module
Any one have a 50 MHz Vision module they want to part with..Prefer ch 7 but I'm interested in one on any of the 50 MHz channels...Will buy out right, or make a deal on trading a ch 20 or ch 16 that I have to move..Thanks..Brian Smith RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Fw: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
- Original Message - From: Johnny Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject It wasnt to bad till I turned around to come back. It got real hard to see real fast! One of the more exciting tows was at the first JR aerotows. I had Pete George just realease from the tug when I flew into the SIDE of a big cloud. I cut the power and went into a spirel. Must have been 25 or 30 seconds later the Pegsus pops out of the botton of the cloud. That was kind of fun. I have been accused of haveing to much fun withe the Pegsus, a time or too (BSG) Johnny - Original Message - From: Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject On 1/17/05 17:51 Johnny Berlin wrote: 3999 ft. 2004 Nats cross contry scale..Pegasus tow plane I wish I had your eyes. Assuming no slant range on the plane, that is like looking at a 1/4-inch line from 10 feet away. And that would be the wingspan!! ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 1/17/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
I agree, There was one time that a Cesna was flying around our field watching my SB-XC in the air, after about 10 min. of his persistent fly around's of the field ( aprox 300+ acer's ) I landed, to me he was becoming a hazard, even tho I had a spotter with me I was becoming uncomfortable with him there, If he misjudged the distance there could have been a problem. Normally they just fly by. but this guy hung around until I landed. We do need to keep an eye out because in the air they can not tell the distance from the model. -- Ken York County Soaring Lighthorse Team YCS Silence is Golden RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Frequency Scanners
I recommend the Aerospectra unit, have had mine for 10 years and the service support and performance are outstanding. Not cheap, but it's truly an investment. If your club puts on a good sized contest, you should have one. Does 72, 75, 50 and Ham bands. One user's opinion. Tom Kallevang --- Adam Till (Cal) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, In the market for a scanner for 72mhz (and possibly 50mhz). Doesn't have to do anything more than tell me if there's something on my channel, and some measure of signal strength. Basically, the simpler, the better. Old subject I know, but I seem to remember that the old standard recommendation model scanner has been discontinued. Anyone have one that they want to get rid of? Cheers, Adam Adam Till Mechanical Engineer 403-270-9200 (ext 154) 403-270-0399 (Fax) UMA Engineering Ltd. 2540 Kensington Road NW Calgary AB, Canada T2N 3S3 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
close encounters of the aircraft kind: was Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
At 11:27 AM 1/18/2005, Lighthorse wrote: I agree, There was one time that a Cesna was flying around our field watching my SB-XC in the air, after about 10 min. of his persistent fly around's of the field ( aprox 300+ acer's ) I landed, to me he was becoming a hazard, I fly in rolling hill country. Last season I was out by myself with a 2M. I had the plane wy up but not too far out and was puttering about when I heard a serious sound come up very quickly, I glanced over my shoulder and was looking right at a big radial-powered ag plane. The plane was just over the high spots of the hills heading right for where my plane was. I was much higher than he was. I quickly turned to a flight path perpendicular to his and started a shallow dive to get out of the area. I paint all my tail feathers a bright yellow for visibility. I know he saw my plane as he immediately corrected so as to go in the opposite direction to my plane. It was over all so very quickly. After that I heard him in the area, but he stayed very clear of the field I was flying from. Yet another test of the ol' adrenaline pump. Bill Johns RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] [RCSE]vision modules
I'm looking for modules in the 53MHz frequency and in the 50 MHz frequency. I have 53.4 53.5,02 and 04 modules. Any others would be welcome. Regards, art
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
They can tell the distance, in fact it would be a pretty naive pilot not to recognize the model was indeed a model. I have been on the receiving end in a 206, a model aircraft does indeed looks and acts like a model. Given a larger model (as in much) would emulate fullsize much closer, the perspective from the cockpit is the velocity you pass the model at. In this case very quickly relative to what your are looking at. Conversely a model far enough away from your position in the cockpit, in order to look realistic in direction and magnitude, would be too far away to easily notice. Glinting off various parts of the model due to the sun's rays are what give away it's presence, but the glint is gone as quickly as you notice it out of the corner of your eye. In other words...unless the model is very close as you wiz by, you will never see it. FWIW, a full size aircraft on a collison course with a model will most likely NOT be able to take (enough) evasive action by the time the pilot or passenger (s) observes an object dead ahead. In Canada, the unrestricted flight zone comes to within 500ft of surface topology. Lots of aircraft fly below this restriction around here, I did for years. Does it restrict my altitude as a model aircraft pilot, no. Technically, uncontrolled airspace will (legally) neither hinder nor add to my position, god forbid their was a mid-air. Those are the facts in uncontrolled airspace. Being close to uncontrolled airspace (say the approach path to an airport) could create negative action if pilot or FO saw models off port or starboard. NAVCOM would investigate and determine the risk...and could shut you down by legal means within hours. They do have the (immediate) clout in cases they perceive as life threatening. Controlled airspace is an entirely different matter and is much more the responsibility of the model aircraft pilot if he elects to fly in a restricted zone. If something bad happened, good luck with ...I did not know I was flying in restricted airspace your honor. Then we are all up the creek. If one retains blue sky between your model, and any other aircraft, the possibility of impact is zero! If I hear an aircraft approaching I will assess the trajectory of it's approach and will determine whether I need to get out of their perceived path. I could care less what altitude it or my model are at, as long as I have blue sky between the approaching object and my model, I'm safe and so is the full size aircraft. Most pilots worth their salt, especially those out on a cruise from their local strip know precisely where the model aircraft sites are located, and avoid them unless(!) other arrangments have been made. Same goes for hang gliding facilites, sailplane facilities, etc. There is definite responsibilities on the part of the fullsize pilot to familiarize yourself with areas you frequent regularly. If someone chose to loiter where I was flying model aircraft, especially those sites sanctioned by our governing body, and elected to put themselves (and their aircraft) in a dangerous position relative to my model, I would be writing down their SN and reporting their behavior. To me this would mean a relative (GND) distance 300ft..but that's just me. If they were above 500ft AGL, no one would listen...and vica versa. Let common sense prevail... Quoting Lighthorse [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree, There was one time that a Cesna was flying around our field watching my SB-XC in the air, after about 10 min. of his persistent fly around's of the field ( aprox 300+ acer's ) I landed, to me he was becoming a hazard, even tho I had a spotter with me I was becoming uncomfortable with him there, If he misjudged the distance there could have been a problem. Normally they just fly by. but this guy hung around until I landed. We do need to keep an eye out because in the air they can not tell the distance from the model. -- Ken York County Soaring Lighthorse Team YCS Silence is Golden RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
Being close to uncontrolled airspace should read; being close the CONTROLLED airspace! Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: They can tell the distance, in fact it would be a pretty naive pilot not to recognize the model was indeed a model. I have been on the receiving end in a 206, a model aircraft does indeed looks and acts like a model. Given a larger model (as in much) would emulate fullsize much closer, the perspective from the cockpit is the velocity you pass the model at. In this case very quickly relative to what your are looking at. Conversely a model far enough away from your position in the cockpit, in order to look realistic in direction and magnitude, would be too far away to easily notice. Glinting off various parts of the model due to the sun's rays are what give away it's presence, but the glint is gone as quickly as you notice it out of the corner of your eye. In other words...unless the model is very close as you wiz by, you will never see it. FWIW, a full size aircraft on a collison course with a model will most likely NOT be able to take (enough) evasive action by the time the pilot or passenger (s) observes an object dead ahead. In Canada, the unrestricted flight zone comes to within 500ft of surface topology. Lots of aircraft fly below this restriction around here, I did for years. Does it restrict my altitude as a model aircraft pilot, no. Technically, uncontrolled airspace will (legally) neither hinder nor add to my position, god forbid their was a mid-air. Those are the facts in uncontrolled airspace. Being close to uncontrolled airspace (say the approach path to an airport) could create negative action if pilot or FO saw models off port or starboard. NAVCOM would investigate and determine the risk...and could shut you down by legal means within hours. They do have the (immediate) clout in cases they perceive as life threatening. Controlled airspace is an entirely different matter and is much more the responsibility of the model aircraft pilot if he elects to fly in a restricted zone. If something bad happened, good luck with ...I did not know I was flying in restricted airspace your honor. Then we are all up the creek. If one retains blue sky between your model, and any other aircraft, the possibility of impact is zero! If I hear an aircraft approaching I will assess the trajectory of it's approach and will determine whether I need to get out of their perceived path. I could care less what altitude it or my model are at, as long as I have blue sky between the approaching object and my model, I'm safe and so is the full size aircraft. Most pilots worth their salt, especially those out on a cruise from their local strip know precisely where the model aircraft sites are located, and avoid them unless(!) other arrangments have been made. Same goes for hang gliding facilites, sailplane facilities, etc. There is definite responsibilities on the part of the fullsize pilot to familiarize yourself with areas you frequent regularly. If someone chose to loiter where I was flying model aircraft, especially those sites sanctioned by our governing body, and elected to put themselves (and their aircraft) in a dangerous position relative to my model, I would be writing down their SN and reporting their behavior. To me this would mean a relative (GND) distance 300ft..but that's just me. If they were above 500ft AGL, no one would listen...and vica versa. Let common sense prevail... Quoting Lighthorse [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree, There was one time that a Cesna was flying around our field watching my SB-XC in the air, after about 10 min. of his persistent fly around's of the field ( aprox 300+ acer's ) I landed, to me he was becoming a hazard, even tho I had a spotter with me I was becoming uncomfortable with him there, If he misjudged the distance there could have been a problem. Normally they just fly by. but this guy hung around until I landed. We do need to keep an eye out because in the air they can not tell the distance from the model. -- Ken York County Soaring Lighthorse Team YCS Silence is Golden RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe
[RCSE] Looking for a set of Stork 1 joiners
Hi guys, I have a set of tips for a Stork 1 by Heinrich, originally sold by NSP. I like to bash parts together each year to create something and this year its a sloper made from Stork tips :) So if you have a set of joiners from a crashed Stork let me know. Thanks Gordy
[RCSE] For sale Sagitta XC Short Kit
For sale Sagitta short kit from DreamCatcher Hobby,Inc. 14 1/2 foot wingspan cross country sailplane. Short kit includes laser cut ribs,full size plans and instructions. This kit is brand new purchased in Oct. 2004. As you know DC hobby and Airtronics are no longer making these sailplanes. Price is $85.00 and you pay exact shipping charges plus insurance. Shipped by US Mail. A.B.[EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] KA Models Me262 PSS
Anyone have any experience flying KA Models Me262 PSS? Any building suggestions? Flying characteristics?? TIA Toshrio Saruwatari Tokyo, Japan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: close encounters of the aircraft kind: was Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
Location is the key. I fly a beach slope which is close to two training airports. This means it has a steady flow of new, full scale pilots showing off their new skills but poor judgement. Usually, I hear them coming and can make a downwind dash back to the slope edge which leaves them a horizontal separation of several hundred feet. However, if I don't hear them coming (because they are idling to reduce altitude), there's not much I can do other than pull a high bank (for them to see me) and dive for the deck. That being said, I have been under flown several times while at an altitude of less than 500'.\ Phil in Vancouver ps: By the way, my hats are off to you guys that fly at Torrey Pines. Flown there once, don't think I ever do that again. I fly for fun not adrenaline. -Original Message- From: Bill Johns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 18, 2005 2:09 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: close encounters of the aircraft kind: was Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider I fly in rolling hill country. Last season I was out by myself with a 2M. I had the plane wy up but not too far out and was puttering about when I heard a serious sound come up very quickly, I glanced over my shoulder and was looking right at a big radial-powered ag plane. The plane was just over the high spots of the hills heading right for where my plane was. I was much higher than he was. I quickly turned to a flight path perpendicular to his and started a shallow dive to get out of the area. I paint all my tail feathers a bright yellow for visibility. I know he saw my plane as he immediately corrected so as to go in the opposite direction to my plane. It was over all so very quickly. After that I heard him in the area, but he stayed very clear of the field I was flying from. Yet another test of the ol' adrenaline pump. Bill Johns web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] GPS Plotting Software
Hi Guys Gals, Some time ago there was a thread about using a Foretrex GPS in a sailplane and then later plotting the flight in 3D on a computer. Unfortunately a Windoze crash lead to a complete wipe of my hard drive and I lost all of my links to the site that discussed the software development. Anyone recall the site? It showed how to do the 3D plotting of GPS data. Thanks in advance, Jim www.jtmodels.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] non soaring content
Check out : http://www.darpa.mil/j-ucas/ specifically X-45 and X-47, for the latest in radio controlled aircraft. Cheers, Bill -- Goals are deceptive. The unaimed arrow never misses. Bill Johns Colton, WA USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Hey Texas, I need one more contest Jan 29th or 30th!
Or both :-) Hi Guys, I need one more contest with 10 or more guys to complete my LSF3 journey! How about it? Any chance Dallas, FT Worth, or Austin can put a contest together for that week? 10 guys, with at least 3 rounds. I'll pay everyone's entry fee as long as entry is under $1 each :-) Whatcha say Texas? :-) Gordy Freezing in Louisville
[RCSE] Pledges are rolling in to bring a Norwegian to the Nats!
Hi Guys, Pledges are rolling in to help bring Jo Grini (Pike specialist and world class TD (F3J) pilot to the Nats!. Looks like he'll be there all week, armed and dangerous with hardly any accent by the way. Jo is about 6' 4" tall, dark hair and less than an ounce of body fat to spare. He's noted for his abililty to tow nearly as hard as JW can stretch the line. A brilliant air reader and a thermal strategist. I have seen him go toe to toe in debate about soaring with JW over a rack of ribsnot a sight for the faint heartedand still have a smile on his face! Someone you will all enjoy meeting and flying with. There are only two other guys who might be nicer, smarter and more friendly with better thumbsbut we can't get themColin in England and Carl in Australiaso looks like we'll be setting for Jo Grini...:-) Never know there might be a sighting of Roo if he happens to be in custody at the time. Gordy
Re: close encounters of the aircraft kind: was Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
I occasionally fly at a farm that is about 20 miles from a local Air National Guard facility. They fly their A-10 Warthog training missions all around the local area, plus the farm is within the approach pattern for Westover AFB (they are very high on approach, no danger). Actually lots of my state, Connecticut, is close to airports of one sort or another and well within 150 miles of Newark, JFK and Boston. I had just caught several monster thermals in a row with my 3M Marauder and was flying from cloud to cloud with the plane well within sight but still pretty darn high. All of a sudden I heard a jet sound from behind me and see a pair of A-10's just below cloud height heading to where I was flying. I quickly pointed the plane to a safe patch of sky perpendicular to their direction of travel as the planes banked in unison. My heart was beating very quickly as I nervously porpoised the plane to safety. The A-10s made a very large turn (perhaps a 10 mile radius) out of my sight and came back over the field a few minutes later. They were low enough at this point that I could see the guys in the cockpit and the patches on their arms. My plane at this point was low enough that my time was divided between two activities - looking at the jets and also at my plane below the tree line. My main concern was for the pilots and not my plane so I did not get to wave to the pilots. I have always hoped that they were looking at me out of curiosity rather than not having seen me. I had not seen planes this low previously and have not seen any since after several years of flying at this location. Bill Johns wrote: I fly in rolling hill country. Last season I was out by myself with a 2M. I had the plane wy up but not too far out and was puttering about when I heard a serious sound come up very quickly, I glanced over my shoulder and was looking right at a big radial-powered ag plane. The plane was just over the high spots of the hills heading right for where my plane was. I was much higher than he was. I quickly turned to a flight path perpendicular to his and started a shallow dive to get out of the area. I paint all my tail feathers a bright yellow for visibility. I know he saw my plane as he immediately corrected so as to go in the opposite direction to my plane. It was over all so very quickly. After that I heard him in the area, but he stayed very clear of the field I was flying from. Yet another test of the ol' adrenaline pump. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
Did it, it is how I tested my Sky panel. You can se the plot on my website, go to tech tips then Sky melody review page.. I drove between two known elevations, one at Harris Hill glider port down to the Elmira regional airport. Accuracy was within three feet I added the 10 as a modest gesture. The car was cold to start then warmed as I drove, the unit still reported accurate readings. You can see the temperature plot as well. Keep in mind on my computer the graph can be zoomed in on to pinpoint data. John Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Doug McLaren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:46 PM To: John Derstine Cc: 'Johnny Berlin'; 'Mark Wales'; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject If you feel that your altimeter is grossly innaccurate, it's easy enough to test by just driving around with it and a GPS in your car, assuming that you've got some hills to drive on. The precision of the GPS, even with WAAS, is likely to be lower than that of your altimeter, but it should give you a good idea. This doesn't take into account temperature variations at altitude, but should give you a good general idea of how accurate the device is, especially if you can do something like drive up a 2000' hill. If you can get on the roof of a tall building and compare the readings to that on the ground, that'll work too. -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you receive email saying Send this to everyone you know, PLEASE pretend you don't know me. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
Yeah, I know that to be true Johnny... Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Johnny Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject I have been accused of haveing to much fun withe the Pegsus, a time or too (BSG) Johnny RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] GPS Plotting Software
Dean Gradwell at xcsoaring.com has the software on his laptop to do this. At the NATS he showed me a couple of flights in his xbxc. It is outstanding. You can look at a movie of the entire flight complete with topography in color. Waypoints distance, everything. He has some of it posted on his site I think. Xcsoaring.com JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:45 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] GPS Plotting Software Hi Guys Gals, Some time ago there was a thread about using a Foretrex GPS in a sailplane and then later plotting the flight in 3D on a computer. Unfortunately a Windoze crash lead to a complete wipe of my hard drive and I lost all of my links to the site that discussed the software development. Anyone recall the site? It showed how to do the 3D plotting of GPS data. Thanks in advance, Jim www.jtmodels.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
Above Ground Level AGL. .bcAG4YQ Williamsburg, VA On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, jon stone wrote: AGL ?? On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:42:32 -0700, Howard Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh... from a winch? 7,717 feet. July 31 2004. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
Probably true, sense I have not seen a scale ship from a cockpit of a plane. Most of my planes are over 4m so It does get a little unnerving when they loiter, which has only happened twice to me. -- Ken York County Soaring Lighthorse Team YCS Silence is Golden RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] WTT Falcon 600 for electric sailplane
I have a NIB Mark Allen Falcon 600 semi kit (cores, plans, fuse) I would like to trade for an electric sailplane. I am looking for something warmliner or similar. Kristopher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Retriever drums?
Anyone know a good source for retriever drums? Rahm style preferred. I thought I heard someone picked up the production of those units but I've lost that information. Thanks, - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Scanners
I have an Icom IC-R2 and I'm very happy with it. We found it to be quite sensitive, finding other weak R/C transmitters easily a half mile away (we're in eastern Mass.). Granted, signal strength was way down on the S meter but it was clearly 72 MHz R/C. The Icom also has selectable bandwidth which changes the sensitivity. In fact, we were really surprised to find all the rogue R/C usage not at official club fields, probably from park fliers. These folks are blissfully ignorant of the possibility of shooting down other planes. The only thing that saves some of us is the tendency of our receivers to favor a nearby stronger transmitter. It's a little unnerving to launch when you can hear another very weak transmitter on your frequency when your xmtr is off. But it works. If you listen to the scanner all the time, you'll chicken out. Larry RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Scanners
I've had an IC-R2 for years and wouldn't be without one now. I use it at work to monitor full size aircraft as well as monitor R/C bands. It's been through the wringer a couple of times and has bounced off of the tarmac more times than I like to admit but still keeps going strong. Highly recommended! The only band it won't cover is the cell phone band but you can even get that with the Japanese market version. Happy flying, Jim www.jtmodels.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
I agree, There was one time that a Cesna was flying around our field watching my SB-XC in the air, after about 10 min. of his persistent fly around's of the field ( aprox 300+ acer's ) It can get pretty dicey at times. In the 60's the old Arc's field situated about seven miles from Pittsburgh International had the airliners passing directly overhead at about 500 feet which always made me nervous and a little disorientated to boot! I found it hard not to watch the airliners. The field had been provided by the state as part of a noise park program and was situated at the top of a hill with the land around it strip-mined away. Sorta like a plateau. You could see them coming from a long ways off but it was still unnerving to me. The worst case I have ever seen occurred a few years ago, (70's), at a W.W.I contest at a full size field in NY. A Piper Cherokee began circling around at about 100 foot altitude while numerous large models were in the air doing a mass fly by. He simply came in over the trees and joined the left hand pattern with the models! The field layout with trees surrounding the field left no options for the models. The boys at the field were simulating flack by shooting off bird popper loads from a 12 gauge at the time and from appearances that is what finally caused him to shear off and go away. Three times at the same two day jamboree Cassia's tried to land on the closed runway. Big X's at each end and a runway full of people notwithstanding. These boy's had flaps down and were well into the approach at around 100 feet before they took the wave off and went away. One of them went around and tried again. Probably something about the big X's and the guy waving the big red flag he didn't understand, I suppose. Dennis in NH RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Bob Sealy stretched Sagitta XC fuselage for sale. NIB
I have a NIB Bob Sealy Sagitta XC fuselage for sale. never been touched. It would be a nice addition to the short kit advertised today on this list. Bob stretched these longer than the stock wooden fuse to get the longer tail movement that most people prefered. $75.00 plus the shipping. could be a bit as this is very long and will need a box made up for it as the original box has been lost. KEVIN KAVANEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: close encounters of the aircraft kind: was Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
Location is the key. I fly a beach slope which is close to two training airports. This means it has a steady flow of new, full scale pilots showing off their new skills but poor judgement. The local slope in Bellingham, Wa. is literally about 1/4 Mile from the end of the runway of the international airport! It is directly in the landing path of the runway!!! The tower is aware of the slope and just told them to stay under 200ft. if there is traffic. Traffic is hard to miss because it is coming straight at you This slope has been in use for over 15 years and there has never been an incident of any sort. I was flying on Orcas Island a few years ago at a site that is about 3/4 mile from the airport and there was an incident, The full scale pilot was completely at fault. He saw us, knew some of the guys flying and he intentionally buzzed the field at about 300ft. He got close enough to a model to realize the implications and then made a complaint to the airport later. They checked into it, but when they heard the entire story, they verbally chastized the full scale guy Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Anyone interested in a Ready to fly Sharon 3.7 X-tail with Tx, just change and fly!
I'm considering selling one of my back up Sharon X-tails, this will be READY to fly! Complete package, with Super 8 Tx and program. Just change and fly in any upcoming contest. Let me know if anyone is interested. Price? What I got into it is my starting point. You get what you pay for here! You want cheap deals or want to just kick the tires... Please go else where, serious pilots with $$$ bling-bling inquire within. Thanks Edgar The Soaring Junkie __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Correction: Anyone interested in a Ready to fly Sharon 3.7 X-tail with Tx, just change and fly!
--- Flying High [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm considering selling one of my back up Sharon X-tails, this will be READY to fly! Complete package, with Super 8 Tx and program. Just charge the batteries and fly in any upcoming contest. Let me know if anyone is interested. Price? What I got into it is my starting point. You get what you pay for here! You want cheap deals or want to just kick the tires... Please go else where, serious pilots with $$$ bling-bling inquire within. Thanks Edgar The Soaring Junkie __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: close encounters of the aircraft kind: was Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
Used to fly at the Bellingham slope all the time... Great slope!! (But not much of a landing) And no real danger in that if the wind was on the slope, full scale traffic was taking off (into the wind) from the runway behind you, and always at a much higher altitude than the slope lift allowed you to reach. The only time traffic landed from the direction of the slope was when the wind was from the other direction, and hence, usually, unflyable for us. And in any event, as you said, you could see them coming for miles... Erich Merkel Colville, WA Phone: 509-684-0440 Cell: 509-680-1141 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: Re: close encounters of the aircraft kind: was Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider | | Location is the key. I fly a beach slope which is close to two training | airports. This means it has a steady flow of new, full scale pilots | showing | off their new skills but poor judgement. | | The local slope in Bellingham, Wa. is literally about 1/4 Mile from the end | of | the runway of the international airport! It is directly in the landing path | of the | runway!!! The tower is aware of the slope and just told them to stay under | 200ft. | if there is traffic. Traffic is hard to miss because it is coming straight | at you | This slope has been in use for over 15 years and there has never been an | incident | of any sort. | I was flying on Orcas Island a few years ago at a site that is about 3/4 | mile from the | airport and there was an incident, The full scale pilot was completely at | fault. | He saw us, knew some of the guys flying and he intentionally buzzed the | field at about 300ft. He got close enough to a model to realize the | implications | and then made a complaint to the airport later. | They checked into it, but when they heard the entire story, they verbally | chastized | the full scale guy | | Mark Mech | www.aerofoam.com | | RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format | | RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
