RE: [RCSE] "Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience"
Title: Message I got quite a bit of flack for posting this as I know many are Barry's friends. I was not intending to do anything more than get a response from Barry to let me know what is going on. I sympathize with the canine scenario, but even that didn't take over 2 weeks. Maybe some people can put up with a straight lie or two, but I can't. In my business, when I tell a customer to expect something and it doesn't come to fruition, I know I better get on the the horn to let them know. No excuses. And never, never would I tell them something that I don't know if I can deliver or not. I've learn that mistakes will happen, but it's how we handle it that tells people if we care. If my posting hurt's Barry's business, I apologize. BUT IT IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH. Well not quite. I had ordered Mar 22, not just 2 weeks ago. Was told I should receive last week. That is all I expect. My 2 calls that got through to him have been very very polite and full of understanding. My 10 other calls went unanswered. When I get no response, I feel like maybe because I am not in the circle of friends, I am insignificant to deal with. If that is so, do not do business with me. He doesn't have to deal with me. But by accepting my money, he has agreed to, whether he knows it or not, to at least acknowledge me as a customer. Am I wrong to ask this? May be so, but I have paid my funds and do come to expect at least some common courtesy. Or am I in the wrong business? Maybe I should start in the hobby. Take the orders, collect the funds, and ship at my convenience. Oh, and maybe take care of close friends first. I do regret having to post this as I got some idiotic responses, but alas, it has gotten results. I got a call from Barry tonight to tell me all have been packed and will ship out tomorrow. If it is so, I will write and post for all that he came through, even if a little late. And to the bone head who told me to get a Gentle Lady ARF as I seem like a newbie, my AMA is 327694, what's yours? BTW I have a Full House Topaz for sale, send me the money and I will have it out "tomorrow" :). Regards, Tuan Le
RE: [RCSE] "Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience"
At 02:39 AM 4/9/2005, you wrote: And to the bone head who told me to get a Gentle Lady ARF as I seem like a newbie, my AMA is 327694, what's yours? Regards, Tuan Le 371 Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] F3J Icon For Sale/Vandal for Sale
Got lots of interest in both planes, for those interested in the Vandal, a guy locally may buy it, if not will get back to everyone one way or another if he doesnt take it. Icon, no I wont sell it before sending out pictures to everyone interested, unfortunately I have to work 3 tweleve hour days yesterday/today/Sun so I wont be able to send pics out til next week. Thanks, Walter -Original Message- From: Marta Zavala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Date: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:53 PM Subject: [RCSE] F3J Icon For Sale/Vandal for Sale >- White F3J Icon for sale. Multi color paintbrush stripes on wing tips. >Dark Blue Bottoms. Never crashed. Nice shape. DS368s in wings, 341 >rudder, DS9411 elevator. 1150 five cell battery, telescope ballast. 1475.00 >plus shipping. > >- New Tom Finch molded Vandal 136 inch span Drela Ag series airfoil. >Yellow wing, red tips. Some very minor blems/shipping dings in wing, not >really obvious or structural. Very Supra like. >New so there are no servos/etc. 525.00 plus shipping > >Serious inquiries only, pics available > >Walter > >RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] "Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience"
5 posts in total to this list, and 4 are complaints and one is off topic. Heck of a track record. I'm going flying, maybe I'll take my AVA with me. At 02:39 AM 4/9/2005, Tuan Le wrote: And to the bone head who told me to get a Gentle Lady ARF as I seem like a newbie, my AMA is 327694, what's yours? Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Need anything else be said. 54540 Stan Original Message Subject: RE: [RCSE] "Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience" Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 06:18:20 -0500 From: Chuck Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com At 02:39 AM 4/9/2005, you wrote: And to the bone head who told me to get a Gentle Lady ARF as I seem like a newbie, my AMA is 327694, what's yours? Regards, Tuan Le 371 Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience"
Wow, hats of to you Chuck. Never have I seen a pissing contest laid to waste so quickly and efficiently. Dan And to the bone head who told me to get a Gentle Lady ARF as I seem like a newbie, my AMA is 327694, what's yours? Regards, Tuan Le 371 Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience"
I'll second that. sick 'em, Chuck... Jack Womack --- Dan Kitching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow, hats of to you Chuck. Never have I seen a > pissing contest laid to > waste so quickly and efficiently. > > Dan > > >> And to the bone head who told me to get a Gentle > Lady ARF as I seem > >> like a newbie, my AMA is 327694, what's yours? > >> Regards, > >> Tuan Le > > > > > > 371 > > > > Chuck Anderson > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane > News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent > from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > generally NOT in text format > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience"
I have no interest in this dispute, but Jack Womack wrote: >I'll second that. sick (sic) 'em, Chuck... (Get it? It's a double meaning! Look up the two definitions of "sic".) The AMA numbers verify at http://www.modelaircraft.org/MembershipQuery.aspx but I can't find any public message where Chuck Anderson or anyone else wrote such a thing in the first place. Was it in a private email? Mike -- _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience"
message I also have no interest in the dispute but am wondering if AMA still allows member to drop digits from their AMA number if the truncated number is vacant? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] AMA Number Truncation??
Walter Carter wrote: but am wondering if AMA still allows member to drop digits from their AMA number if the truncated number is vacant? I believe that the rules require rounding :~} RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Visalia Aerotow and Banos
I assume that Banos is still a go, but I have not heard any buzz about the Visalia aerotow scheduled for the weekend before. Is it still on and who's going?? WEM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] "Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience"
Wow Chuck! I greatly respect people with low AMA numbers. They are the one who I believe help lay the ground work for what Model Aviation is today. It was not you who called me a newbie as I believe you would never be one to personally attack someone by calling them names. I got my AMA in 1988 or 89 :) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] AMA numbers
First, you can truncate your AMA by becoming a CD, mine is 1394, two digits dropped when I became a CD formerly 139444. Here is a question that I have been curious about. I originally joined the AMA in 1958 as a boy, I let it lapse until later in life and re-enrolled. My old number was lost forever. I am just curious whether anyone has a clue what the numbers where running in 1958? Idle curiosity fueled by the recent thread. JD
RE: [RCSE] AMA numbers
(Not quite on topic to JD’s question below…) I was originally 202824. I renewed after a pretty long lapse, however – I asked for the same number back, but they reassigned me a new one: L282. I’ll take it. J - Dave From: John Derstine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 09:33 To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] AMA numbers First, you can truncate your AMA by becoming a CD, mine is 1394, two digits dropped when I became a CD formerly 139444. Here is a question that I have been curious about. I originally joined the AMA in 1958 as a boy, I let it lapse until later in life and re-enrolled. My old number was lost forever. I am just curious whether anyone has a clue what the numbers where running in 1958? Idle curiosity fueled by the recent thread. JD
Re: [RCSE] Visalia Aerotow and Banos
Hi Bill Al I'm Going to Los Banos! I Have had it Planned for Months!! I can't wait. My Plane is Burning a hole on the work bench... Cheers Al Albert E. Wedworth ( AL ) ERA Capshaw Realestate REALTOR- ASSOCIATE Cell 530-228-9445 Fax 530-343-1715 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] AMA numbers
Yea, my old number from the 70's was lost in the fire. My new number is L412. -Ben Dave Brombaugh wrote: (Not quite on topic to JD’s question below…) I was originally 202824. I renewed after a pretty long lapse, however – I asked for the same number back, but they reassigned me a new one: L282. I’ll take it. J - Dave From: John Derstine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 09:33 To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] AMA numbers First, you can truncate your AMA by becoming a CD, mine is 1394, two digits dropped when I became a CD formerly 139444. Here is a question that I have been curious about. I originally joined the AMA in 1958 as a boy, I let it lapse until later in life and re-enrolled. My old number was lost forever. I am just curious whether anyone has a clue what the numbers where running in 1958? Idle curiosity fueled by the recent thread. JD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] AMA numbers
Does anyone know if Tim Renaud is still an AMA member? I want his old number, which I believe he acquired from his dad 666 D __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] AMA numbers
John, I rejoined AMA back in 1995 and had a 6 digit number. I was originally a member in the early 1970s, and I rummaged through some old airplane photos and found my initial AMA number. I wrote a letter to the AMA, stating that I wanted my “old” number, and they granted my request. Life is good. Steve Siebenaler AMA 35647 LSF 7162 – Level V #113 From: John Derstine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 12:33 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] AMA numbers First, you can truncate your AMA by becoming a CD, mine is 1394, two digits dropped when I became a CD formerly 139444. Here is a question that I have been curious about. I originally joined the AMA in 1958 as a boy, I let it lapse until later in life and re-enrolled. My old number was lost forever. I am just curious whether anyone has a clue what the numbers where running in 1958? Idle curiosity fueled by the recent thread. JD
RE: [RCSE] "Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience"
Title: Message Tuan, I made a reference to the Gentle Lady ARF and the BoT ARF, but it wasn’t directed to you. My post was a “tongue and cheek” comment about the AVA, not you. I never referred to or considered you a newbie. BTW, my AMA # is 225. George Voss -Original Message- From: Tuan Le [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] …And to the bone head who told me to get a Gentle Lady ARF as I seem like a newbie, my AMA is 327694, what's yours? BTW I have a Full House Topaz for sale, send me the money and I will have it out "tomorrow" :). Regards, Tuan Le
RE: [RCSE] "Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience"
Title: Message I wish everyone would back off on Tuan Le's complaints. Are they out of order for what has happened to him? Not in my book. I have personal experience on 2 orders from him, and personally know of 5 other orders, that were treated similarly. The orders never showed up when he said, and emails & phones suddenly went silent. As a vendor, customer expectations on delivery time are set entirely by Barry. From my experience he likes to pass on the rosiest of scenarios to his customers (me included). I too, believe Barry is an honest business person, but I wish he would manage customer expections better. All it takes is a phone call or email saying "Hi there. I promised I'd ship your plane on XX date. Well, YY happened, and I now expect to ship your plane on ZZ date. Sorry for the delays. Just want you to be informed on recent events". I wish Barry the best in his business, as well as Tuan the best with his order. Regards to all, Jon Stone
RE: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy and Kennedy Composites
I had the same problem as Tuan Le' and I wrote Barry a couple of times just recently. Finally I said if it hasn't ship just cancel the order. I had the plane 2 days later. Here's the real problem, Barry has the market cornered on the AVA. From what I can tell it's the superior or one of the superior planes for RES. Unfortunately you can't get it from anyone else, trust me I tried since I have a very good friend that is one of Vladimir's distributors. This to me is tough when you want a specific plane and only one resource. If that resource is busy or out of stock you are hosed and have to wait. Anyway, I got my AVA and it's a beautiful plane but I was a bit irritated to say the least at the time frame it took me to get it. Oh and yes it was in stock when I ordered it. Anywaythings happen good luck Tuan Le' I'm sure you will like the plane. --Glenn W.Tri-Cities, Wa Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page
Re: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy and Kennedy Composites
There isn't just one good plane available at the moment. Yes, I know the Ava is a great plane but if you are having such a tough time why not be open to other good, high performance planes like the Ava. Have you considered the Soprano from Isthmus Models? It's a beauty and it's winning contests. It's a newer model so maybe you have never seen one before. Here's the URL: http://www.isthmusmodels.com/pages/soprano.html Mark Miller offers this model. I can tell you from first hand experience that he is a pleasure to do business with. Dave Edmunson sells a model similar to the Ava. It's called the Ukrainian Buzzard. I don't have Dave's web URL but his e-mail address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave is an old free flight champ who helped develop the Buzzard. Both of these guys will respond quickly to your needs. Frankly, I've done business with Barry Kennedy before and always found him to be helpful and reliable but since it sounds like Traun is about to see the top of his head blow clean off his shoulders I thought this might be of interest. One thing though that Traun and other yelpers ought to know. This is a hobby. It is not life or death. The people that supply these models to you are modelers themselves. They have jobs, families and other time constraints. You are not dealing with large companies with a staff to help. The bitchers and complainers are the reason that many of these people throw in the towel and say; "to hell with this business. I can't stand dealing with the jerks. I'm closing up shop." It only takes a few impatient, immature, short tempered, whiners to screw things up. Give Barry a break why don't you and if you can't do that cancel your order and get something else but please save your anger for when it's really important. Life is too short. Of course that's just my opinion. - Original Message - From: GRW To: 'Soaring Digest' Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy and Kennedy Composites I had the same problem as Tuan Le' and I wrote Barry a couple of times just recently. Finally I said if it hasn't ship just cancel the order. I had the plane 2 days later. Here's the real problem, Barry has the market cornered on the AVA. From what I can tell it's the superior or one of the superior planes for RES. Unfortunately you can't get it from anyone else, trust me I tried since I have a very good friend that is one of Vladimir's distributors. This to me is tough when you want a specific plane and only one resource. If that resource is busy or out of stock you are hosed and have to wait. Anyway, I got my AVA and it's a beautiful plane but I was a bit irritated to say the least at the time frame it took me to get it. Oh and yes it was in stock when I ordered it. Anywaythings happen good luck Tuan Le' I'm sure you will like the plane. --Glenn W.Tri-Cities, Wa Do you Yahoo!?Make Yahoo! your home page
RE: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy and Kennedy Composites
http://www.glidetek.com/rcgliders/thermalmonster.asp Try this. gv -Original Message- From: Ed Berris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Edmunson sells a model similar to the Ava. It's called the Ukrainian Buzzard. I don't have Dave's web URL but his e-mail address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave is an old free flight champ who helped develop the Buzzard.
RE: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy and Kennedy Composites
One thing I noticed while looking at the Thermal Monster/Ukrainian Buzzard is that the batteries, servos and RX are included for $40 more than an AVA. Now That’s a deal! I have no connection with the seller, it’s just what I noticed on the web site. gv -Original Message- From: George Voss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:03 PM To: 'Soaring Digest' Subject: RE: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy and Kennedy Composites http://www.glidetek.com/rcgliders/thermalmonster.asp Try this. gv -Original Message- From: Ed Berris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Edmunson sells a model similar to the Ava. It's called the Ukrainian Buzzard. I don't have Dave's web URL but his e-mail address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave is an old free flight champ who helped develop the Buzzard.
[RCSE] (RCSE) AMA numbers
In a message dated 4/9/2005 12:41:21 PM Central Standard Time, Soaring@airage.com writes: First, you can truncate your AMA by becoming a CD, mine is 1394, twodigits dropped when I became a CD formerly 139444.Here is a question that I have been curious about. I originally joinedthe AMA in 1958 as a boy, I let it lapse until later in life andre-enrolled. My old number was lost forever. I am just curious whetheranyone has a clue what the numbers where running in 1958? Idle curiosityfueled by the recent thread.
RE: [RCSE] AMA numbers
Same here, it would be kind of cool to get the original 5 digit one... or I could just get a life membership and be done with it. 8-) At 01:52 PM 4/9/2005, Steve Siebenaler wrote: I rejoined AMA back in 1995 and had a 6 digit number. I was originally a member in the early 1970s, and I rummaged through some old airplane photos and found my initial AMA number. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
[RCSE] Re: AMA Numbers Again
Woops, sent it by accident before finishing it. I was trying to get someone at AOL to tell me again how to keep my post from printing a second time mostly gibberish and clicked by accident on the wrong part of my post-in-construction. When I got back into model planes in the early 1990s I asked the AMA for my original number, 12118, which I got in the 1950s. They were happy to give it to me. More recently, when I became a CD they asked me if I wanted to truncate my number to 4 digits: 2118. I declined because I like my original number. It's only one digit different, and I won't have to change the IDs on planes I have. That was fine with them too. Al Sorry about the gibberish below. Can anyone remember how to keep it from happening? The help people seem to be too busy today.
RE: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy and Kennedy Composites
Title: Message OK OK OK... My email can't handle all this...:). Let's all put this to a rest. BARRY has called me this morning and has assured me he shipped out the goods today. Thats all I wanted to hear. Thank you for everyone's input. Glad to know this forum is very alive and well. Regards. Tuan
[RCSE] Photon II
To those of you who have flown a Photon II: How did you attach the outer panels to the center section, tape, glue? Did you do each side the same? Having done this, which method would you use next time? regards, Jim Porter Johnston Iowa USA "The airplane stays up because it doesn't have the time to fall." Orville Wright RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy and Kennedy Composites
Thanks George. Very interesting. Another plus for this exchange. Tom Gressman
[RCSE] Soaring Today
Well, it was windier than predicted, but still the warmest day we have seen this year. When I got to the field McCarthy had his new Ferrari red Sharon Pro X tail out, Charley had his Hera out and I brought out my nasty old ICON that Daryl is so fond of. 8-) A couple of bungee launches found us working pretty good air, but I wanted to do some zooms. Jimbo said he had his F3B winch with him so we strung it out. 10 - 15mph wind, F3B winch, big 'ole Trojan battery and mono means ZOOM. What a blast, put a tube in the ICON and only popped Jimbo's mono once. 8-) TK showed up and started sharing the Sharon with Jimbo every time that LJ called which was about every 5 minutes today. 8-) It was during one of these intermissions that I asked TK for the sticks, I wanted to try Jimbo's new toy. TK has this thing specked and in very good air, like screaming good air. So I start feeling it out, and went right into ThermalLooping it at high speed in the strong air. I hear Jimbo in the background, "gotta go, call you back, gotta go... OK, NOW YOU GOT MY ATTENTION" heh heh heh 8-) Actually a very nice toy, stiff and faster than I thought they were, I had never flown the X tail version of the Sharon before. I got one more launch on my ICON before Jimbo packed up the winch. I kept flying it, gave it to TK and he flew the crap out it doing F3B runs continuously in the big air. Then he gave it back to me, I bet Jimbo has made it all the way home and we are still flying the crap out of this huge air. Eventually we thought better of pushing the batteries too far and landed it, what a day. Anybody else get some today? Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] AMA numbers
Still sporting my old #35722 Mark Soaring Is Life!! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] (RCSE) AMA numbers
At 02:11 PM 4/9/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am just curious whether anyone has a clue what the numbers where running in 1958? SWAG ALERT!! I was about 15 or so when I got my AMA number, about 1958: My number: 27319 Cheers, Bill Johns RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today
New Furio maidened today here in SoCal. Didn't bring the F3B winch, since this was just initial tuning, CG fiddling, etc, so I flew off the club AMA winch. Some wind, maybe 10 MPH with the occasional gust higher. Once the hook position was set, got some monster launches, even with non-stretchy braided line. Got a reasonable starting point for more fine-tuning. A club mate was doing likewise with his new X21. Tom James V. Bacus wrote: Anybody else get some today? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today
Bob Burson and I hit our local sod farm for some great warm weather flying. Had a nice wind blowing in the morning so I loaded up the f3b winch with some new mono and was having a blast launching the X-21. Jack Strothers came out for his first flights off the year and had his Icon hooked up and out of sight in now time. Dave Hauch Mich. - Original Message - From: "Tom Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today > New Furio maidened today here in SoCal. Didn't bring the F3B winch, > since this was just initial tuning, CG fiddling, etc, so I flew off the > club AMA winch. Some wind, maybe 10 MPH with the occasional gust > higher. Once the hook position was set, got some monster launches, even > with non-stretchy braided line. Got a reasonable starting point for > more fine-tuning. > > A club mate was doing likewise with his new X21. > > Tom > > > > James V. Bacus wrote: > > > > Anybody else get some today? > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today
Well after a great two days of spring flying here in the Midwest, I thought I better ask the significant other what she would like to do on Sunday, and she said ''would you like to go and do some speed runs together''I said, I guess. Life is Good! :-) Dave Hauch Mich. - Original Message - From: "D Hauch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tom Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today > Bob Burson and I hit our local sod farm for some great warm > weather flying. > Had a nice wind blowing in the morning so I loaded up the > f3b winch with some new mono and was having a blast launching > the X-21. > > Jack Strothers came out for his first flights off the year and had > his Icon hooked up and out of sight in now time. > > Dave Hauch > Mich. > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:01 PM > Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today > > > > New Furio maidened today here in SoCal. Didn't bring the F3B winch, > > since this was just initial tuning, CG fiddling, etc, so I flew off the > > club AMA winch. Some wind, maybe 10 MPH with the occasional gust > > higher. Once the hook position was set, got some monster launches, even > > with non-stretchy braided line. Got a reasonable starting point for > > more fine-tuning. > > > > A club mate was doing likewise with his new X21. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > James V. Bacus wrote: > > > > > > Anybody else get some today? > > > > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" > and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with > MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL > are generally NOT in text format > > > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] AMA numbers
John Derstine wrote: First, you can truncate your AMA by becoming a CD, mine is 1394, two digits dropped when I became a CD formerly 139444. Here is a question that I have been curious about. I originally joined the AMA in 1958 as a boy, I let it lapse until later in life and re-enrolled. My old number was lost forever. I am just curious whether anyone has a clue what the numbers where running in 1958? Idle curiosity fueled by the recent thread. JD I joined in the mid-50s and my number is 20435. No, I didn't truncate it when I became a CD. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today as well
Like Dave H said !! Went to this Sod farm, my first visit since moving to South Bend. The place is actually quite nice, but I see Corn looming in the future. There apparently, are 2 sites to fly fromPLENTY of room for Aero tow... What a way to meet someone, (Dave), that I have been communicating with over the years, but having never met !! Got 3 launches today.. On my Icon... It was good, considering the model has not been outta the bag since the last OVSS contest, Last fall !! Launched once of Daves F3b Winch, and twice of the Loft Club winch. Landings were within spec A wing span circle of the spotLOL The flights were fun and skyed, down to a hundred feet then back up again..what a HOOT. Sure was nice to get into the saddle again... Had to leave early, to work on " work " for work at home..crap !! Thanks Dave, for the ping yesterday !! Karen and I had a ball.. Off to Chicago in the morrow CJ Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF V #117 //home.comcast.net/~strotherbj RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Fw: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today
Denny Zech and I flew here in Fort Wayne today. Beautiful conditions for dialing in my new Sharon Pro X tail and an old 2M Duck that I bought last fall. Our LOFT season opener starts tomorrow with another wonderful weather forecast. Both of my planes and Denny's Pelican are all dialed in. Now I need to work on me. The Good Lord knows, I love soaring. Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:54:30 -0500 "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, it was windier than predicted, but still the warmest day we > have seen > this year. When I got to the field McCarthy had his new Ferrari red > Sharon > Pro X tail out, Charley had his Hera out and I brought out my nasty > old > ICON that Daryl is so fond of. 8-) > > A couple of bungee launches found us working pretty good air, but I > wanted > to do some zooms. Jimbo said he had his F3B winch with him so we > strung it > out. 10 - 15mph wind, F3B winch, big 'ole Trojan battery and mono > means > ZOOM. What a blast, put a tube in the ICON and only popped Jimbo's > mono > once. 8-) TK showed up and started sharing the Sharon with Jimbo > every > time that LJ called which was about every 5 minutes today. 8-) It > was > during one of these intermissions that I asked TK for the sticks, I > wanted > to try Jimbo's new toy. TK has this thing specked and in very good > air, > like screaming good air. So I start feeling it out, and went right > into > ThermalLooping it at high speed in the strong air. I hear Jimbo in > the > background, "gotta go, call you back, gotta go... OK, NOW YOU GOT > MY > ATTENTION" > > heh heh heh 8-) > > Actually a very nice toy, stiff and faster than I thought they were, > I had > never flown the X tail version of the Sharon before. > > I got one more launch on my ICON before Jimbo packed up the winch. > I kept > flying it, gave it to TK and he flew the crap out it doing F3B runs > > continuously in the big air. Then he gave it back to me, I bet > Jimbo has > made it all the way home and we are still flying the crap out of > this huge air. > > Eventually we thought better of pushing the batteries too far and > landed > it, what a day. > > Anybody else get some today? > > > Jim > Downers Grove, IL > Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR > AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at > www.jimbacus.net > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and > unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME > turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL > are generally NOT in text format > > Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today
Thanks for all the email guys, I'm glad many of us got out and got a chance to put a sailplane in the sky today. At 09:30 PM 4/9/2005, D Hauch wrote: Well after a great two days of spring flying here in the Midwest, I thought I better ask the significant other what she would like to do on Sunday, and she said ''would you like to go and do some speed runs together''I said, I guess. Life is Good! :-) Dave Hauch Mich. - Original Message - From: "D Hauch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tom Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today > Bob Burson and I hit our local sod farm for some great warm > weather flying. > Had a nice wind blowing in the morning so I loaded up the > f3b winch with some new mono and was having a blast launching > the X-21. > > Jack Strothers came out for his first flights off the year and had > his Icon hooked up and out of sight in now time. > > Dave Hauch > Mich. > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:01 PM > Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today > > > > New Furio maidened today here in SoCal. Didn't bring the F3B winch, > > since this was just initial tuning, CG fiddling, etc, so I flew off the > > club AMA winch. Some wind, maybe 10 MPH with the occasional gust > > higher. Once the hook position was set, got some monster launches, even > > with non-stretchy braided line. Got a reasonable starting point for > > more fine-tuning. > > > > A club mate was doing likewise with his new X21. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > James V. Bacus wrote: > > > > > > Anybody else get some today? > > > > > Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] PCM failsafe - which position?
OK, those of you who fly PCM - what's your preference on fail safe settings (Hold Last Input, or Preset)? My inclination is to have everything return to neutral except maybe rudder to 1/8 - 1/4 throw or something. Don't want to ignite a debate on why PPM is better...presume the decision on whether to use PCM has been made. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] PCM failsafe - which position?
Opinions vary... Fail Hold (last input) is what I do for my unlimited models. At 10:03 PM 4/9/2005, Tom Watson wrote: OK, those of you who fly PCM - what's your preference on fail safe settings (Hold Last Input, or Preset)? My inclination is to have everything return to neutral except maybe rudder to 1/8 - 1/4 throw or something. Don't want to ignite a debate on why PPM is better...presume the decision on whether to use PCM has been made. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Visalia Aerotow and Banos
Yes it is still on for the 15th,16th,and 17th. http://www.cvrcsoaring.com/ click on Aero Tow I plan on being there to help out. Larry Taylor KF6JBG CD for the Visalia Fall Soaring Festival 2005 Oct 1st & 2nd Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Bill's Email" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RC Soaring Exchange" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 8:12 AM Subject: [RCSE] Visalia Aerotow and Banos I assume that Banos is still a go, but I have not heard any buzz about the Visalia aerotow scheduled for the weekend before. Is it still on and who's going?? WEM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] PCM failsafe - which position?
I set it to full crow. As a slope racer, most of my flying is fairly close to the ground and so the best I can hope for is that it slows down before it hits. Bill DelHagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tom Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Soaring Exchange Subject: [RCSE] PCM failsafe - which position? Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:03:15 -0700 OK, those of you who fly PCM - what's your preference on fail safe settings (Hold Last Input, or Preset)? My inclination is to have everything return to neutral except maybe rudder to 1/8 - 1/4 throw or something. Don't want to ignite a debate on why PPM is better...presume the decision on whether to use PCM has been made. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] (RCSE) AMA numbers
> At 02:11 PM 4/9/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >I am just curious whether > >anyone has a clue what the numbers where running in 1958? My first AMA number was 20511 in about 1957. Later as a Contest Director my number was 2054. In the years of high taxes and great write-offs I obtained L96 - it reads the same regardless of direction. Jim Porter Johnston Iowa USA "The airplane stays up because it doesn't have the time to fall." Orville Wright RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Photon II - wing tip retention
> To those of you who have flown a Photon II: > > How did you attach the outer panels to the center section, tape, glue? I suspect I did not make it clear as to why I was asking the question, which makes a good answer difficult. So, option one, removeable tape to allow disassembling the wing into three pieces; or option two, epoxy and glass tape for a permanent one-piece wing. > Did you do each side the same? > > Having done this, which method would you use next time? So far, two votes for tape only and one for epoxy and tape (glass I presume). The epoxy person didn't feel the need for a break-down wing. regards, Jim Porter Johnston Iowa USA "The airplane stays up because it doesn't have the time to fall." Orville Wright RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Photon II - wing tip retention
Hi Jim AL Epoxy between the two wing half's Not to muchThan when dry.. Use epoxy and .75oz glass x 1" tape wrapped around the leading edge to trailing edge... trim when dry.. Oh!.Forgot just get the glass wet with epoxy and blot with toilet paper to keep it light now.. hope this helped.. Cheers AL Albert E. Wedworth ( AL ) ERA Capshaw Realestate REALTOR- ASSOCIATE Cell 530-228-9445 Fax 530-343-1715 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] (RCSE) AMA numbers
>I am just curious whether anyone has a clue what the numbers where running in 1958? My old AMA number was 27369 but I lost it sometime in the 60's when I joined the AF. I checked awhile ago about getting it back but someone else had it, Dennis in NH RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Dodgson Saber on eBay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2563&item=5968651907&rd=1 Mark Soaring Is Life!! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Things FS
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Re: [RCSE] PCM failsafe - which position?
This is a point that I have been looking for an answer for also. My question>> Why would it not be better to have your plane go to full flaps and a little rudder if you loose contact??? That would let you know immediately that something is wrong and keep the plane in a safe flight mode and close ??? Why use a PCM receiver if you don't use the failsafe?? I have heard a lot of pilots don't?? LEE"James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Opinions vary...Fail Hold (last input) is what I do for my unlimited models.At 10:03 PM 4/9/2005, Tom Watson wrote:>OK, those of you who fly PCM - what's your preference on fail safe >settings (Hold Last Input, or Preset)? My inclination is to have >everything return to neutral except maybe rudder to 1/8 - 1/4 throw or >something.>>Don't want to ignite a debate on why PPM is better...presume the decision >on whether to use PCM has been made.>>Tom>>RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" >and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note >that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format >with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and >AOL are generally NOT in text formatJimDowners Grove, ILMember of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JRAMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.netRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text formatLeeCox-Nevada, U.S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED]__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
