Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger
Bill: The Triton is a great charger for the money. There are a few dumb things about the software, such as the way it erases the total mAh put into a NiMh cell after it goes into top-off mode, but by and large it is a very good unit. And again, you can't beat the price. I use it for all sorts of cells, including NiCd, NiMh, and LiPo. It can even be tricked into doing a formation charge on NiMh packs by turning the delta peak setting up really high. I have a Schulze 636, but there are some things that the Triton does that even the Schulze will not! Highly recommended. --Jim Laurel On May 18, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Bill Johns wrote: Greetings! Anyone have any experience with the GreatPlanes Triton charger? Any comments pro on con are most welcome. Thanks, Bill --- Never judge a day by the weather. Bill Johns Colton, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Still for sale
Howard Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sport winch - F3B legal - works great - price reduced with battery line $300 See @ http://msh-co.com/ForSale/Winch/ What are those four black and white halfpipe-shaped things? Mike -- _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Still for sale
Those are clamshells and are used to change the diameter of the drum for different conditions.. Jim Jim Monaco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:28 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Still for sale Howard Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sport winch - F3B legal - works great - price reduced with battery line $300 See @ http://msh-co.com/ForSale/Winch/ What are those four black and white halfpipe-shaped things? Mike -- _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger
On May 18, 2005, at 11:25 PM, MANY PEOPLE wrote: The Triton is a great charger for the money. Thanks all. It sure looked like it would do everything I wanted. You collectively confirmed my suspicions. My Triton is on order. Bill --- Never judge a day by the weather. Bill Johns Colton, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger
Jim, The Triton is a great charger for the money. There are a few dumb things about the software, such as the way it erases the total mAh put into a NiMh cell after it goes into top-off mode, but by and large it is a very good unit. And again, you can't beat the price. You can press the right square button after the charge is done and review the Mah the charger put into the battery, before the top-off charge. Same way you can review up to 10 charge/discharge values. Have to do it before disconnecting the pack, or before pressing the left button, though. I use it for all sorts of cells, including NiCd, NiMh, and LiPo. It can even be tricked into doing a formation charge on NiMh packs by rning the delta peak setting up really high. Thanks for the trick about forming packs. I had not figured that one out. I had been keeping another charger around just for that feature. I assume you also set the timer to the # of hours you want to charge. Jon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Calif. Pilots
Two days of Cross Country flying here in Sacramento this weekend. In spite of the soggy weather today, the forecast is sunny and mid 80's for Saturday and Sunday. Using the parlance of our times; It don't get no better that that! It's not too late to sign up. Complete details at svss.org. Sacramento Valley Soaring Society Where it's all about the fun RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Triton for sale
$100 shipped - like new, in box, only used a little bit by an old lady from Peoria to fly after church on Sundays. Matt
RE: [RCSE] Zagi CG
Well, I've received everything from 7.5 to 8.5 for a standard Zagi. I'll put it at 8 and call it good. Thanks everyone! George RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger
Jon, Thanks for the tip on seeing total mAh! That helps. Yes, I set the timer, which goes up to 960 minutes (or thereabouts), which translates into 16 hours - perfect cutoff for formation charges. The downsides to using the Triton for this are: 1) You have to remember to reset the delta peak, or you will fry the next pack you try to quick charge! 2) The Triton only goes down to 100mAh, so you can only do formation charges on packs of 1000mAh capacity or more. It's useless for formation charges on, for example, handlaunch packs. I keep a Hobbico R/C Multi Charger around, which has current settings ranging from just 25mAh to 500mAh. I use it all the time for slow charging my RX packs and transmitters fitted with 2100mAh NiMh packs. Another plus is that it runs on 110VAC - very convenient! It's a very useful item at just $29.99 new from Tower. Everyone could make good use out of one of these simple inexpensive devices, IMHO. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?I=LXL331P=7 You can use a timer with it, but the catch is that a small design flaw in the charger allows the pack to DISCHARGE into the charger itself when power to the charger is cut off. I made a few adapters with inline rectifier diodes from Radio Shack that solves the problem. --Jim On May 19, 2005, at 6:06 AM, Jon Stone wrote: Jim, The Triton is a great charger for the money. There are a few dumb things about the software, such as the way it erases the total mAh put into a NiMh cell after it goes into top-off mode, but by and large it is a very good unit. And again, you can't beat the price. You can press the right square button after the charge is done and review the Mah the charger put into the battery, before the top-off charge. Same way you can review up to 10 charge/discharge values. Have to do it before disconnecting the pack, or before pressing the left button, though. I use it for all sorts of cells, including NiCd, NiMh, and LiPo. It can even be tricked into doing a formation charge on NiMh packs by rning the delta peak setting up really high. Thanks for the trick about forming packs. I had not figured that one out. I had been keeping another charger around just for that feature. I assume you also set the timer to the # of hours you want to charge. Jon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] OVSS line breaks...
Looks like the final consensus is that the policy should be left up to the individual CD, taking into consideration field conditions, wind strength, and condition of the winch lines. Some helpful guidelines: 1. Use common sense. Maybe consider allowing one line break per day after the first round as long as there is no evidence of an intentional attempt to break the line. 2. Until the strength of all the winch lines has been determined at the beginning of the contest, allow non-intentional line breaks in the first round to be relaunched. 3. It should be very evident if there is an intentional attempt to break the line. Look for NO tapping of the winch pedal, or a stalled winch. If any of these conditions are met, NO relaunch! 4. If slots are available in subsequent flight groups for the same round, bump the pilot to the next flight group for a relaunch. With seeded man on man, this would be a tougher flight group. 5. If there is not an open slot in the next flight group, or if it is the last flight group in a round, have a spare winch ready for IMMEDIATE relaunch. As an added incentive, reserve the weakest winch with the weakest winch line for this spare winch! 6. If there is more than one line break in a flight group, relaunch the entire group. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Still for sale
Those are clam shells. They make the drum bigger. When you have very light line on the drum you don't want to break it so you use clam shells to lower the torque. It also speeds up the line intake so on dead air or downwind (if you can't hook over) you get more line speed... again with less torque. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sport winch - F3B legal - works great - price reduced with battery line $300 See @ http://msh-co.com/ForSale/Winch/ What are those four black and white halfpipe-shaped things? Mike -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger
Cameron, Formation charges are required for preparing new NiMh packs. You simply charge the pack at a current level equal to 1/10th of the pack capacity for around 12-16 hours. For example, a 1000mAh pack would be charged at 100mAh for 12-16 hours. A 2200mAh pack would be charged at 220mAh. On my Hobbico charger, I use the 250mAh setting. It's not too critical. Just try to get close. Due to manufacturing variances, all battery cells of the same type are not truly identical. When put together in a pack and charged, some will charge faster and peak early, which will fool most modern peak detecting chargers, leaving the laggard cells in a state of partial charge. Slow charging at capacity/10 allows all the cells in a pack to get fully charged without causing a thermal crisis in the cells that have peaked early. After 2-3 charge/discharge cycles like this, the cells reach a sort of equilibrium, charging and discharging together at relatively similar rates. This is what you are trying to achieve with the initial formation charges. You want all the cells in your pack to peak at the same time, and discharge at the same rate. Once the pack is conditioned like this, you can use the peak detecting fast chargers with no problem. Cheers, --Jim On May 19, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Cameron wrote: Jim, What is formation charges? Does this relate to NiCad, NiMH, Lithium-Ion or Lithium Polymer batteries? Thank you. Cameron -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:46 PM To: Jon Stone Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger Jon, Thanks for the tip on seeing total mAh! That helps. Yes, I set the timer, which goes up to 960 minutes (or thereabouts), which translates into 16 hours - perfect cutoff for formation charges. The downsides to using the Triton for this are: 1) You have to remember to reset the delta peak, or you will fry the next pack you try to quick charge! 2) The Triton only goes down to 100mAh, so you can only do formation charges on packs of 1000mAh capacity or more. It's useless for formation charges on, for example, handlaunch packs. I keep a Hobbico R/C Multi Charger around, which has current settings ranging from just 25mAh to 500mAh. I use it all the time for slow charging my RX packs and transmitters fitted with 2100mAh NiMh packs. Another plus is that it runs on 110VAC - very convenient! It's a very useful item at just $29.99 new from Tower. Everyone could make good use out of one of these simple inexpensive devices, IMHO. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?I=LXL331P=7 You can use a timer with it, but the catch is that a small design flaw in the charger allows the pack to DISCHARGE into the charger itself when power to the charger is cut off. I made a few adapters with inline rectifier diodes from Radio Shack that solves the problem. --Jim On May 19, 2005, at 6:06 AM, Jon Stone wrote: Jim, The Triton is a great charger for the money. There are a few dumb things about the software, such as the way it erases the total mAh put into a NiMh cell after it goes into top-off mode, but by and large it is a very good unit. And again, you can't beat the price. You can press the right square button after the charge is done and review the Mah the charger put into the battery, before the top-off charge. Same way you can review up to 10 charge/discharge values. Have to do it before disconnecting the pack, or before pressing the left button, though. I use it for all sorts of cells, including NiCd, NiMh, and LiPo. It can even be tricked into doing a formation charge on NiMh packs by rning the delta peak setting up really high. Thanks for the trick about forming packs. I had not figured that one out. I had been keeping another charger around just for that feature. I assume you also set the timer to the # of hours you want to charge. Jon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Microsoft Word 2003/email help
Can someone with knowledge of the above email editor ping me? I'm having trouble with the program when I use the reply command. TIA gv RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger
Jim, Does the charge HAVE to be stopped after 12~16 hours of charging? I have an Alpha4 charger which charges until the NiMH battery peak had been reached and then it switched to C/20 indefinitely. Thank you for the info. Cameron -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:30 PM To: Cameron Cc: rcse Subject: Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger Cameron, Formation charges are required for preparing new NiMh packs. You simply charge the pack at a current level equal to 1/10th of the pack capacity for around 12-16 hours. For example, a 1000mAh pack would be charged at 100mAh for 12-16 hours. A 2200mAh pack would be charged at 220mAh. On my Hobbico charger, I use the 250mAh setting. It's not too critical. Just try to get close. Due to manufacturing variances, all battery cells of the same type are not truly identical. When put together in a pack and charged, some will charge faster and peak early, which will fool most modern peak detecting chargers, leaving the laggard cells in a state of partial charge. Slow charging at capacity/10 allows all the cells in a pack to get fully charged without causing a thermal crisis in the cells that have peaked early. After 2-3 charge/discharge cycles like this, the cells reach a sort of equilibrium, charging and discharging together at relatively similar rates. This is what you are trying to achieve with the initial formation charges. You want all the cells in your pack to peak at the same time, and discharge at the same rate. Once the pack is conditioned like this, you can use the peak detecting fast chargers with no problem. Cheers, --Jim On May 19, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Cameron wrote: Jim, What is formation charges? Does this relate to NiCad, NiMH, Lithium-Ion or Lithium Polymer batteries? Thank you. Cameron -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:46 PM To: Jon Stone Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger Jon, Thanks for the tip on seeing total mAh! That helps. Yes, I set the timer, which goes up to 960 minutes (or thereabouts), which translates into 16 hours - perfect cutoff for formation charges. The downsides to using the Triton for this are: 1) You have to remember to reset the delta peak, or you will fry the next pack you try to quick charge! 2) The Triton only goes down to 100mAh, so you can only do formation charges on packs of 1000mAh capacity or more. It's useless for formation charges on, for example, handlaunch packs. I keep a Hobbico R/C Multi Charger around, which has current settings ranging from just 25mAh to 500mAh. I use it all the time for slow charging my RX packs and transmitters fitted with 2100mAh NiMh packs. Another plus is that it runs on 110VAC - very convenient! It's a very useful item at just $29.99 new from Tower. Everyone could make good use out of one of these simple inexpensive devices, IMHO. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?I=LXL331P=7 You can use a timer with it, but the catch is that a small design flaw in the charger allows the pack to DISCHARGE into the charger itself when power to the charger is cut off. I made a few adapters with inline rectifier diodes from Radio Shack that solves the problem. --Jim On May 19, 2005, at 6:06 AM, Jon Stone wrote: Jim, The Triton is a great charger for the money. There are a few dumb things about the software, such as the way it erases the total mAh put into a NiMh cell after it goes into top-off mode, but by and large it is a very good unit. And again, you can't beat the price. You can press the right square button after the charge is done and review the Mah the charger put into the battery, before the top-off charge. Same way you can review up to 10 charge/discharge values. Have to do it before disconnecting the pack, or before pressing the left button, though. I use it for all sorts of cells, including NiCd, NiMh, and LiPo. It can even be tricked into doing a formation charge on NiMh packs by rning the delta peak setting up really high. Thanks for the trick about forming packs. I had not figured that one out. I had been keeping another charger around just for that feature. I assume you also set the timer to the # of hours you want to charge. Jon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web
Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger
Yes, you should stop the charge after 12-16 hours. Observe your pack and you will see that somewhere in this timeframe, it will get warm. You don't want to keep it in that state for too long, but I've left some on for 24 hours or so with no observable problems. You definitely don't want to leave a pack on C/20 indefinitely. Here is a one good source of practical battery care information: http://www.rcbatteryclinic.com/ --Jim On May 19, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Cameron wrote: Jim, Does the charge HAVE to be stopped after 12~16 hours of charging? I have an Alpha4 charger which charges until the NiMH battery peak had been reached and then it switched to C/20 indefinitely. Thank you for the info. Cameron -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:30 PM To: Cameron Cc: rcse Subject: Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger Cameron, Formation charges are required for preparing new NiMh packs. You simply charge the pack at a current level equal to 1/10th of the pack capacity for around 12-16 hours. For example, a 1000mAh pack would be charged at 100mAh for 12-16 hours. A 2200mAh pack would be charged at 220mAh. On my Hobbico charger, I use the 250mAh setting. It's not too critical. Just try to get close. Due to manufacturing variances, all battery cells of the same type are not truly identical. When put together in a pack and charged, some will charge faster and peak early, which will fool most modern peak detecting chargers, leaving the laggard cells in a state of partial charge. Slow charging at capacity/10 allows all the cells in a pack to get fully charged without causing a thermal crisis in the cells that have peaked early. After 2-3 charge/discharge cycles like this, the cells reach a sort of equilibrium, charging and discharging together at relatively similar rates. This is what you are trying to achieve with the initial formation charges. You want all the cells in your pack to peak at the same time, and discharge at the same rate. Once the pack is conditioned like this, you can use the peak detecting fast chargers with no problem. Cheers, --Jim On May 19, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Cameron wrote: Jim, What is formation charges? Does this relate to NiCad, NiMH, Lithium-Ion or Lithium Polymer batteries? Thank you. Cameron -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:46 PM To: Jon Stone Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger Jon, Thanks for the tip on seeing total mAh! That helps. Yes, I set the timer, which goes up to 960 minutes (or thereabouts), which translates into 16 hours - perfect cutoff for formation charges. The downsides to using the Triton for this are: 1) You have to remember to reset the delta peak, or you will fry the next pack you try to quick charge! 2) The Triton only goes down to 100mAh, so you can only do formation charges on packs of 1000mAh capacity or more. It's useless for formation charges on, for example, handlaunch packs. I keep a Hobbico R/C Multi Charger around, which has current settings ranging from just 25mAh to 500mAh. I use it all the time for slow charging my RX packs and transmitters fitted with 2100mAh NiMh packs. Another plus is that it runs on 110VAC - very convenient! It's a very useful item at just $29.99 new from Tower. Everyone could make good use out of one of these simple inexpensive devices, IMHO. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?I=LXL331P=7 You can use a timer with it, but the catch is that a small design flaw in the charger allows the pack to DISCHARGE into the charger itself when power to the charger is cut off. I made a few adapters with inline rectifier diodes from Radio Shack that solves the problem. --Jim On May 19, 2005, at 6:06 AM, Jon Stone wrote: Jim, The Triton is a great charger for the money. There are a few dumb things about the software, such as the way it erases the total mAh put into a NiMh cell after it goes into top-off mode, but by and large it is a very good unit. And again, you can't beat the price. You can press the right square button after the charge is done and review the Mah the charger put into the battery, before the top-off charge. Same way you can review up to 10 charge/discharge values. Have to do it before disconnecting the pack, or before pressing the left button, though. I use it for all sorts of cells, including NiCd, NiMh, and LiPo. It can even be tricked into doing a formation charge on NiMh packs by rning the delta peak setting up really high. Thanks for the trick about forming packs. I had not figured that one out. I had been keeping another charger around just for that feature. I assume you also set the timer to the # of hours you want to charge. Jon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text
[RCSE] Jim Ealy
Jim, please contact me with your phone # and a good time to call. I'm interested in your ASW 22. gv RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Icon F3B wing and fuse wanted
I'm looking for a decent condition Icon fuse. Repaired or repairable will work as will a good one. I'm also looking for an Icon F3B wing in useable condition. Please contact me direct at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Icon F3B wing and fuse wanted
I'm going to report you and Monaco to the SPCI :) OH - Dr. Dan's on that list as well! -Original Message- From: George Voss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:44 PM To: RCSE (E-mail) Subject: [RCSE] Icon F3B wing and fuse wanted I'm looking for a decent condition Icon fuse. Repaired or repairable will work as will a good one. I'm also looking for an Icon F3B wing in useable condition. Please contact me direct at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. ** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What is the deal with ICON sailplanes?
What is the deal with ICON sailplanes and selling them privately? It seems like every time someone mentions buying or selling an Icon from anyone else (other than the manufacturer) there is some buzz going on about it... Does the manufacturer prohibit you from dealing with a third party sale or purchase of an Icon? What will they do? Blacklist you? Thank you. Cameron Ninham RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What is the deal with ICON sailplanes?
I got on the list a year-and-a-half ago and came up on the top of the list in December. I had to postpone that order while I was helping my family deal with my dad's cancer. In the meantime, I've bought several used Icons. Mark H. was chiding of course. There is no issue with selling a used Icon as far as I know. George -Original Message- From: Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:07 PM To: 'RCSE' Subject: [RCSE] What is the deal with ICON sailplanes? What is the deal with ICON sailplanes and selling them privately? It seems like every time someone mentions buying or selling an Icon from anyone else (other than the manufacturer) there is some buzz going on about it... Does the manufacturer prohibit you from dealing with a third party sale or purchase of an Icon? What will they do? Blacklist you? Thank you. Cameron Ninham RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger
A proper forming charge takes at least 24Hrs @ C/10. NiCD cells benefit from this more than NiMH. Leaving either technology on charge, even at trickle rates, is not advisable. One has to realize that the original circumstances that lead to trickle charging regimes was based on back-up power systems, this meant the primary powr source was used to maintain the backup system. Generally these packs were replaced before their service life was reached (which was significantly shorter than actual lifespan). Once again...trickle-rate charging form dendrites (crystalline cell growth from the reactive constituents), which can pierce the separator layer and cause soft shorts. Although (most of) these can be burned off by aggressive discharging or cycling, not always. Extended charging at trickle rates removes service life from NiMH and NiCD cells. Quoting Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jim, Does the charge HAVE to be stopped after 12~16 hours of charging? I have an Alpha4 charger which charges until the NiMH battery peak had been reached and then it switched to C/20 indefinitely. Thank you for the info. Cameron -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:30 PM To: Cameron Cc: rcse Subject: Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger Cameron, Formation charges are required for preparing new NiMh packs. You simply charge the pack at a current level equal to 1/10th of the pack capacity for around 12-16 hours. For example, a 1000mAh pack would be charged at 100mAh for 12-16 hours. A 2200mAh pack would be charged at 220mAh. On my Hobbico charger, I use the 250mAh setting. It's not too critical. Just try to get close. Due to manufacturing variances, all battery cells of the same type are not truly identical. When put together in a pack and charged, some will charge faster and peak early, which will fool most modern peak detecting chargers, leaving the laggard cells in a state of partial charge. Slow charging at capacity/10 allows all the cells in a pack to get fully charged without causing a thermal crisis in the cells that have peaked early. After 2-3 charge/discharge cycles like this, the cells reach a sort of equilibrium, charging and discharging together at relatively similar rates. This is what you are trying to achieve with the initial formation charges. You want all the cells in your pack to peak at the same time, and discharge at the same rate. Once the pack is conditioned like this, you can use the peak detecting fast chargers with no problem. Cheers, --Jim On May 19, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Cameron wrote: Jim, What is formation charges? Does this relate to NiCad, NiMH, Lithium-Ion or Lithium Polymer batteries? Thank you. Cameron -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:46 PM To: Jon Stone Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger Jon, Thanks for the tip on seeing total mAh! That helps. Yes, I set the timer, which goes up to 960 minutes (or thereabouts), which translates into 16 hours - perfect cutoff for formation charges. The downsides to using the Triton for this are: 1) You have to remember to reset the delta peak, or you will fry the next pack you try to quick charge! 2) The Triton only goes down to 100mAh, so you can only do formation charges on packs of 1000mAh capacity or more. It's useless for formation charges on, for example, handlaunch packs. I keep a Hobbico R/C Multi Charger around, which has current settings ranging from just 25mAh to 500mAh. I use it all the time for slow charging my RX packs and transmitters fitted with 2100mAh NiMh packs. Another plus is that it runs on 110VAC - very convenient! It's a very useful item at just $29.99 new from Tower. Everyone could make good use out of one of these simple inexpensive devices, IMHO. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?I=LXL331P=7 You can use a timer with it, but the catch is that a small design flaw in the charger allows the pack to DISCHARGE into the charger itself when power to the charger is cut off. I made a few adapters with inline rectifier diodes from Radio Shack that solves the problem. --Jim On May 19, 2005, at 6:06 AM, Jon Stone wrote: Jim, The Triton is a great charger for the money. There are a few dumb things about the software, such as the way it erases the total mAh put into a NiMh cell after it goes into top-off mode, but by and large it is a very good unit. And again, you can't beat the price. You can press the right square button after the charge is done and review the Mah the charger put into the battery, before the top-off charge. Same way you can review up to 10 charge/discharge values. Have to do it before disconnecting the pack, or before pressing
Re: [RCSE] Still for sale
Thanks for the responses, guys. The private response I got from Brian Smith came just three minutes after I sent the question, which I thought was pretty remarkable. Mike -- Winch Solenoid Safety Buzzer - http://www.vvsss.com/buzzer/ _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5680
Tower has the triton for $120, but you can get 20 bucks off if you use one of their coupon offers, which will just about cover the shipping and the additional charge for the optional thermal probe and maybe an extra connector for your specific pack needs.-Original Message-From: Soaring Soaring@airage.comTo: Soaring@airage.comSent: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:58:40 -0400Subject: Soaring V1 #5680 SoaringThu, 19 May 2005 Volume 1 : Number 5680 In this issue: LSF Website Updates Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger -- Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:15:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Kallevang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE Soaring Exchange Soaring@Airage.com, Woodie Sailplanes Exchange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: LSF Website Updates Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Updated content now available: Meet Loren Steel, our newest LSF Club Coordinator: http://www.silentflight.org/Coordinators/Club_Coordinators.html Updated LOFT OVSS link and a link to the ESL calendar: http://www.silentflight.org/LSF_Base/events.htm April upgrades: http://www.silentflight.org/Upgrades/Upgrades.html 2005 Nats Donor updates: http://www.silentflight.org/NATS2005/Donor2005.html Coming Soon: LSF will sponsor the USA F3B Team pages. Same offer to the F3J Team Tom Kallevang Wheeling, IL LSF President Webmaster LSF #303 Level V #103 AMA L292 SOAR (Chicago) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 23:25:48 -0700 From: Jim Laurel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Johns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring - Yahoo Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] GreatPlanes Triton charger Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill: The Triton is a great charger for the money. There are a few dumb=20 things about the software, such as the way it erases the total mAh put=20= into a NiMh cell after it goes into "top-off" mode, but by and large it=20= is a very good unit. And again, you can't beat the price. I use it for all sorts of cells, including NiCd, NiMh, and LiPo. It=20 can even be tricked into doing a formation charge on NiMh packs by=20 turning the delta peak setting up really high. I have a Schulze 636, but there are some things that the Triton does=20 that even the Schulze will not! Highly recommended. --Jim Laurel On May 18, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Bill Johns wrote: Greetings! Anyone have any experience with the GreatPlanes Triton charger?=A0 Any=20= comments pro on con are most welcome. Thanks, Bill --- Never judge a day by the weather. Bill Johns Colton,=A0WA -- End of Soaring V1 #5680 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring-request@airage.com. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] IFO CG?
I'm returning my IFO Mk3 to flying status. Anyone happen to know the CG location? Interestingly, it appears that my CG was ~5 3/8 behind the crosswise spar. Yet, I asked an IFO rep and he said it was about 3.5! A little difference I expected. But ~2 is way too much. Where's your IFO CG location? (if you happen to have one) Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] New Soarer
Excuse me if I am not following protocol. I am venturing into a new listserve. I am venturing into r/c flying. I'm a Navy pilot. Fly privately, am a tow pilot and have soloed a glider. The big stuff is great but I would love to learn to fly a r/c glider among the crows in my backyard. Any suggestions? I've thought of the rtf products as an introduction but then I may be stuck with tx and receivers that aren't compatible with more advanced aircraft. I'd like to do some field flights with launch but also want to park fly in my backyard. Any suggestions on how to proceed? Mike Zusi Frederick, MD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] New Soarer
Welcome to the fold. There are a great many choices as you mention. If you haven't picked up any magazines at your local hobby shop, you should. You'll find a great variety of entry-level planes. Take a look through the mags and find a few that you like and then bounce them off of RCSE. There are great people on this list with years and years of experience. Personally, I've got 37 years of modeling experience and love it! Personally, I like the Easy Star from Multiplex. It's inexpensive and it's made from EPP foam. It will take a lot of abuse while you are learning to fly. As for a radio, I'd recommend the RD 8000 from www.soaringspecialties.com, which is me. I have the best prices on Airtronics equipment. There are other great radios and companies that handle other brands of radios too and several monitor RCSE. Again, welcome aboard. George Voss -Original Message- From: Michael Zusi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:26 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] New Soarer Excuse me if I am not following protocol. I am venturing into a new listserve. I am venturing into r/c flying. I'm a Navy pilot. Fly privately, am a tow pilot and have soloed a glider. The big stuff is great but I would love to learn to fly a r/c glider among the crows in my backyard. Any suggestions? I've thought of the rtf products as an introduction but then I may be stuck with tx and receivers that aren't compatible with more advanced aircraft. I'd like to do some field flights with launch but also want to park fly in my backyard. Any suggestions on how to proceed? Mike Zusi Frederick, MD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] NATs unlimited
Anyone in unlimited that is on 30 , 32 or 37 have an alternate frequency that you can switch to. There aren't any openings in unlimited and any help would be appreciated. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] IFO CG?
Mine flys fine with the cg 5 inches behind the crosswise spar. Robert Samuels.St. Louis From: Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] IFO CG? Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:52:49 -0700 I'm returning my IFO Mk3 to flying status. Anyone happen to know the CG location? Interestingly, it appears that my CG was ~5 3/8 behind the crosswise spar. Yet, I asked an IFO rep and he said it was about 3.5! A little difference I expected. But ~2 is way too much. Where's your IFO CG location? (if you happen to have one) Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] GADGET FOR SALE
Radio control rocket engine ignition unit on eBay at http://tinyurl.com/9ehhf starting at $20. Light a rocket motor on your model from your transmitter. Thanks for the bandwidth RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New Soarer
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 06:26:13PM -0400, Michael Zusi wrote: | Excuse me if I am not following protocol. I am venturing into a new | listserve. The usual protocol is to watch the list for a while before you post, but there's nothing wrong with your post ... | I am venturing into r/c flying. I'm a Navy pilot. Fly privately, | am a tow pilot and have soloed a glider. The big stuff is great but | I would love to learn to fly a r/c glider among the crows in my | backyard. Any suggestions? The big one is that while you already know how to fly, flying an R/C plane is different. Sure, they fly on the same principles, but how you perceive it is totally different. Stories of experienced full scale pilots trying R/C flying on their own and crashing their planes in 10 seconds are not rare at all. It's not that they can't fly, it's just that it's ... different, and while you're up there is not the time to figure out how it's different and figure out how to correct for it. Ideally, you'll find somebody nearby who's familiar with R/C planes who can show you the ropes. A few minutes of assistance from somebody in person can save you hours and hours of frustration, not to mention lots of money. | I've thought of the rtf products as an introduction but then I may | be stuck with tx and receivers that aren't compatible with more | advanced aircraft. Well, I'll assume you'll avoid the `toys' where everything is completely ready to go -- things like you'll get at Wal-Mart, or even the somewhat better planes like the Firebirds and others. Once you get into the `serious' R/C planes, you'll find that the receivers and servos and stuff are all seperate from the plane and generally interchangable (though smaller planes generally require smaller gear.) This, probably more than anything else, differentiates the `toy' RC planes from the serious ones. More fancy planes generally use more channels. You can have a very enjoyable glider with 2 channels, but a serious plane might use 7 or even more. If you get a computer radio with at least 7 channels (like the Hitec Eclipse, Futaba 7c or 9c, or many others), you'll probably find that this one transmitter can control lots of planes and you're not likely to outgrow it for a while. It'll cost more, however ... | flights with launch but also want to park fly in my backyard. Any | suggestions on how to proceed? There seems to be an R/C club in your city -- http://www.frederickmodelaircraftclub.org/. Go to their field, watch them fly, talk to them. Looks like they do powered planes rather than gliders, but they'll still be a good resource. And who knows -- maybe you'll like the glow planes :) As for park fliers, I'm pretty fond of my Slow Stick, but there's lots and lots to choose from. -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] internet, eh? I hear they have that on computers now. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New Soarer
At 03:26 PM 5/19/2005, you wrote: Excuse me if I am not following protocol. I am venturing into a new listserve. I am venturing into r/c flying. I'm a Navy pilot. Fly privately, am a tow pilot and have soloed a glider. The big stuff is great but I would love to learn to fly a r/c glider among the crows in my backyard. Any suggestions? I've thought of the rtf products as an introduction but then I may be stuck with tx and receivers that aren't compatible with more advanced aircraft. I'd like to do some field flights with launch but also want to park fly in my backyard. Any suggestions on how to proceed? Mike Zusi Frederick, MD You'll get some good suggestions from the good people on the Exchange. Here are some of mine: First, if you can, get someone to help you. It'll shorten the learning process--and lessen the frustration--considerably. Look into any of the EPP planes out there. The building time is very short, and they bounce nicely. Personally, I like the Zagi line a great deal; they're not the easiest planes to fly, but I think learning on a plane that keeps going where you point it is a good way to go. The THL (the light version) is a very gentle, but still flies well enough to be satisfying. I still have mine after several years and three recoverings. If you stick with the sport, you may wind up wanting a radio that'll handle multiple models and a full house ship (4 servo wing). Entry-level radios are very cheap, though, so you might consider getting a very cheap radio for your trainer, then, assuming you get as hooked as the rest of us are, spring for a higher-end radio. I've been very happy with my Airtronics Stylus with glider card. I use it on all my planes except for the trainer, which has a buddy cord setup. Ultimately, the transmitter is NOT the most expensive part of your gear--some would say it's the full-sized SUV needed to carry a fleet of sailplanes! For most of the people I have taught to fly, there are two main hurdles to clear: overcontrolling (just like full scale!) and learning to deal with the apparent control reversal when the plane is coming toward you. Some people find simulators very useful. Look into FMS (which is free): www.tti-us.com/sim/ It appears that Trick RC is no longer making the THL, but I still see them on line and in hobby shops. Hope this is helpful. Joe Parsons RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
