[RCSE] I apologize
I apologize for getting so excited on RCSE today, my enthusiasm for this hobby boiled over. Looking forward to soaring with all my friends in 2006. Happy New Year! Cheers! Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] cross-country plane info
Looks like a great plane, but with thin fuse and profile, it might be hard to see if you don't stay under it. The one thing I noticed on the SBXC is that I can see that hunky fuse at 3000 ft. One BIG advantage to the Thermic is that it is not going just sit around all year. You can fly thermal and F3J and be competitive. Spot landing an SBXC is really tough. i know next year is a cross country year at the Nats. and thought this might interest somebody. ijust got in a 4m Thermic XL, can be seen here. http://www.soaringusa.com/products/product.htm?product_id=16254category_id=293 I can't believe the quality of this molded plane that you get for $850. bucks! If you told me it was $1500. it still would be agood price. It's built really strong, has a great finish. I have heard from other owners that they do hang really well also. I even seen they have a ThermicXXXL 5m, http://www.valentamodel.cz/ Just thought i would pass this on. Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com
Re: [RCSE] cross-country plane info
One BIG advantage to the Thermic is that it is not going just sit around all year. You can fly thermal and F3J and be competitive. Spot landing an SBXC is really tough. i think you hit it on the head Tom. i looked this plane over again, this thing is built like a brick! it has carbon sub spars, and even the aileron LD is carbon. finish on it is right up there with anything else, and better then most. the fuse is really stiff, even built in for db9. even comes withply servo frames cut out to fit your servo. these are the the same guys that build the Trinity, and thats one of the stiffest planes i've ever seen, beside a DS double carbon Exxtreme. dh i know next year is a cross country year at the Nats. and thought this might interest somebody. ijust got in a 4m Thermic XL, can be seen here. http://www.soaringusa.com/products/product.htm?product_id=16254category_id=293 I can't believe the quality of this molded plane that you get for $850. bucks! If you told me it was $1500. it still would be agood price. It's built really strong, has a great finish. I have heard from other owners that they do hang really well also. I even seen they have a ThermicXXXL 5m, http://www.valentamodel.cz/ Just thought i would pass this on. Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com
[RCSE] RE: cross-country plane info
Whoa! Hold on there David. While I agree that the Thermic XL is one the best deals going, it is NOT from the MFR of the Trinity. Jiri Baudis makes the Trinity, Valenta makes the Thermic. Cheers, Nathan Woods www.SocalSlopeRacing.com -Original Message- ...these are the the same guys that build the Trinity, and thats one of the stiffest planes i've ever seen, beside a DS double carbon Exxtreme. Dh RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RE: cross-country plane info
sorry, had my guys mixed up. Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com - Original Message - From: Nathan Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:47 PM Subject: [RCSE] RE: cross-country plane info Whoa! Hold on there David. While I agree that the Thermic XL is one the best deals going, it is NOT from the MFR of the Trinity. Jiri Baudis makes the Trinity, Valenta makes the Thermic. Cheers, Nathan Woods www.SocalSlopeRacing.com -Original Message- ...these are the the same guys that build the Trinity, and thats one of the stiffest planes i've ever seen, beside a DS double carbon Exxtreme. Dh RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] In Rememberance of a Great Soaring Lady, the Queen of RCSD
For those of you who didn't know Judy Slates, for the past 15+ years, she was the backbone, editor, publisher and often printer of our hobby's 'bible', RC Soaring Digest Magazine. She and her husband Jerry, made sure that the magazine was out on time, despite printers screw ups and computer crashes and that in the light that they likely never made a dime on the magazine. For those who don't know RCSD, it has been the only rc soaring magazine that has existed which was not advertiser driven. It was always about content...and it provided modelers with great ideas and products a format to reach us...and because of RCSD innovations moved at lightening speed. She was a sweetheart, with a steady personality and who always looked for the best in everyone, even if they didn't treat her with their bestand there were a few over the yearscrooks whodidn't pay advert bills, threatened suits over intellectual propertyor attempted to ruin her day for whatever reason...and yet she never had an unkind word about them. She kept RCSD the "Journal for RC Soaring Enthusiasts", she was its heart. My soaring hat is off today in remembrance of Judy Slates a good friend and a treasure to our hobby. GordyLouisville
[RCSE] Re: In Rememberance of a Great Soaring Lady, the Queen of RCSD
Although I never got to know Judy Slater I got to know the RC Soaring Digest Magazine from many years ago. Yes even in Norway we got this great magazine in paperform. And then I got to follow up on the digitalized issues and even could swim in the archives for good stuff. Thanks! Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:32:35 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: In Rememberance of a Great Soaring Lady, the Queen of RCSD For those of you who didn't know Judy Slates, for the past 15+ years, she was the backbone, editor, publisher and often printer of our hobby's 'bible', RC Soaring Digest Magazine. She and her husband Jerry, made sure that the magazine was out on time, despite printers screw ups and computer crashes and that in the light that they likely never made a dime on the magazine. For those who don't know RCSD, it has been the only rc soaring magazine that has existed which was not advertiser driven. It was always about content...and it provided modelers with great ideas and products a format to reach us...and because of RCSD innovations moved at lightening speed. She was a sweetheart, with a steady personality and who always looked for the best in everyone, even if they didn't treat her with their bestand there were a few over the years crooks who didn't pay advert bills, threatened suits over intellectual property or attempted to ruin her day for whatever reason...and yet she never had an unkind word about them. She kept RCSD the Journal for RC Soaring Enthusiasts, she was its heart. My soaring hat is off today in remembrance of Judy Slates a good friend and a treasure to our hobby. Gordy Louisville RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RE: cross-country plane info
Does SoaringUSA bring in the 5M version as well? How much would that one cost? Can you winch launch it? Thanks, Walter - Original Message - From: Nathan Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: [RCSE] RE: cross-country plane info Whoa! Hold on there David. While I agree that the Thermic XL is one the best deals going, it is NOT from the MFR of the Trinity. Jiri Baudis makes the Trinity, Valenta makes the Thermic. Cheers, Nathan Woods www.SocalSlopeRacing.com -Original Message- ...these are the the same guys that build the Trinity, and thats one of the stiffest planes i've ever seen, beside a DS double carbon Exxtreme. Dh RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio
Ray, no store bought Are you kidding? That is heresy! It's sad but it looks like (from the lack of anyone responding to your post in the last 24hr) this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. You have to save your support money for the craftsman/builder events. It looks like no one values, or gives any consideration, to the people that have the skill and determination to build what they fly. Not a big enough market I guess. John -Original Message- From: Ray Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:52 PM To: John Diniz; mark browning Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio John and LSF, You guys should be Knighted. Get it on big time TV and include some aerobatics footage to spark it up. I truly hope this is a winner. I will be delighted to donate a $100.00, $75.00 and $50.00 for Cash awards to first thru third place in a woody class. Like the Southwest Classic does it with 2m, RES and Grey Cup, not separate flight groups, just separate class scoring. Providing the woody qualification rules are: Built up wood flying surfaces, with or without a glass fuse, no restrictions on spar construction, no molded d-tube, no foam, no store bought, AMA unlimited class. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mark browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Just need to be an LSF member. Check out http://www.silentflight.org/ on how to do that. We're capping it to the 1st 150 entrants for the 1st year. No firm date on when registration will open, but it should be this spring sometime. Once we get the website up there will be tons more info there. JD -Original Message- From: mark browning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:14 PM To: John Diniz Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Holt shi! how you Qualify??? see you in AZ MB From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:00:59 -0600 Well folks, time to block out your vacation days for Sept 21-24, 2006. I'm pleased to announce the 1st annual LSF Soaring Masters to be held at the AMA site in Muncie, In. Please see the press release below. There will be a website up in the coming weeks that will have more info on registration and sponsorship opportunities. Cash payouts for the top five finishers and trophies through tenth as well as many product give-away opportunities for the rest of the field. Stay tuned to RCSE for more updates Thanks, John Press Release US Soaring Masters. The goal for this event is to help stimulate the competition soaring segment into higher levels of awareness within the modeling community. Soaring has endured many years with no real push to grow the segment. With a prestigious international event, that will draw out the best pilots from not only the US but the world, could only help grow the great sport of competition soaring. IMAC has seen much growth, which is no doubt partly due to prestigious events like TOC, and the Don Lowe Masters. Scale has also seen great growth with events like Top Gun and the US Scale masters. The Electric segment has seen growth with events like Neat and SEFF. Giant scale has seen growth with events like Joe Nall, Dogs and the IMAA rally's. Soaring needs it's own high profile event. An event that will be the one to win, an event that brings the soaring segment in front of the average modeler, an event that gets people excited about soaring. This event is not a fly in, it is a pure competition, with rules designed to choose the best thermal pilot in the world. This event will aspire many to get involved in soaring and aspire them to higher levels of soaring skills. Dates: September 21 - 24 2006. The competition days are Friday, Saturday and Sunday 8 - 5. Thursday is setup day. Location: AMA Headquarters, Muncie IN. This site will be ideal due to the ability for 360deg winch setup. LSF Involvement LSF has agreed to support this event is in the form of manpower and equipment. The LSF has agreed to run this event through utilization of their staff and equipment. Additional Horizon staff will also be available to help. Entries: All attending pilots must be a registered member of the LSF. Entries will be capped to 150 due to available manpower and long duration flight times. 10 Additional non-LSF positions will be held and recommended for entry by the event organization staff. Entry Fees will be $75. Competition rules: 1. Normalized Man on Man event. Each round will be normalized to 1000 pts. This normalization also includes landing points (ala FAI
Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio
- Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] it looks like ... this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. I'm sure there will be at least a few Big Buck, Build Fly models as well and some of those will be flown by Big Boys. Mine will be flown by a mere mortal though. Wow! This started out as a light hearted post but I just went back and read the entire post I was responding to more closely...I have the skill and determination to build what I fly. I think this a great event and am very greatful that the effort is being made to put it on. I'll be there with my home built models. I'm not feeling the least bit left out or slighted. Why do people assume that scratch builders aren't really scratch builders if they don't use much wood anymore? Phil - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] no store bought Are you kidding? That is heresy! It's sad but it looks like (from the lack of anyone responding to your post in the last 24hr) this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. You have to save your support money for the craftsman/builder events. It looks like no one values, or gives any consideration, to the people that have the skill and determination to build what they fly. Not a big enough market I guess. John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio
Phil I totally respect that you, Berry and others are scratch builders. You are in the minority. You, and less than the number of fingers on my hands, will be the builders at this contest. Wouldn't it be nice if we still had builders not buyers? Well maybe not from you business prospective but think of it from the view of the hobby/sport. Ray made a generous offer to have a class that would be a wood wing builder class that was completely ignored. I think that that is a real slap in the face for him and all the other wood wing builder/flyer pilots that are supporters of the hobby. I guess they don't really have that much buying power so it doesn't matter. John -Original Message- From: Phil Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:44 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] it looks like ... this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. I'm sure there will be at least a few Big Buck, Build Fly models as well and some of those will be flown by Big Boys. Mine will be flown by a mere mortal though. Wow! This started out as a light hearted post but I just went back and read the entire post I was responding to more closely...I have the skill and determination to build what I fly. I think this a great event and am very greatful that the effort is being made to put it on. I'll be there with my home built models. I'm not feeling the least bit left out or slighted. Why do people assume that scratch builders aren't really scratch builders if they don't use much wood anymore? Phil - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] no store bought Are you kidding? That is heresy! It's sad but it looks like (from the lack of anyone responding to your post in the last 24hr) this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. You have to save your support money for the craftsman/builder events. It looks like no one values, or gives any consideration, to the people that have the skill and determination to build what they fly. Not a big enough market I guess. John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio
I'll be substituting the Buy with a Build on my entry and I will be flying a molded model. If you carefully look at the top pilots and WC in all areas of modelling, I suspect you will find that many build thier own or are working closely with a mfg to help design and build the models they fly. I think they should outlaw laser cut parts and any other power tools from the woody contests. Nothing more than razor blades and sandpaper are allowed ;-) John wrote: Ray, no store bought Are you kidding? That is heresy! It's sad but it looks like (from the lack of anyone responding to your post in the last 24hr) this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. You have to save your support money for the craftsman/builder events. It looks like no one values, or gives any consideration, to the people that have the skill and determination to build what they fly. Not a big enough market I guess. John -Original Message- From: Ray Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:52 PM To: John Diniz; mark browning Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio John and LSF, You guys should be Knighted. Get it on big time TV and include some aerobatics footage to spark it up. I truly hope this is a winner. I will be delighted to donate a $100.00, $75.00 and $50.00 for Cash awards to first thru third place in a woody class. Like the Southwest Classic does it with 2m, RES and Grey Cup, not separate flight groups, just separate class scoring. Providing the woody qualification rules are: Built up wood flying surfaces, with or without a glass fuse, no restrictions on spar construction, no molded d-tube, no foam, no store bought, AMA unlimited class. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mark browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Just need to be an LSF member. Check out http://www.silentflight.org/ on how to do that. We're capping it to the 1st 150 entrants for the 1st year. No firm date on when registration will open, but it should be this spring sometime. Once we get the website up there will be tons more info there. JD -Original Message- From: mark browning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:14 PM To: John Diniz Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Holt shi! how you Qualify??? see you in AZ MB From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:00:59 -0600 Well folks, time to block out your vacation days for Sept 21-24, 2006. I'm pleased to announce the 1st annual LSF Soaring Masters to be held at the AMA site in Muncie, In. Please see the press release below. There will be a website up in the coming weeks that will have more info on registration and sponsorship opportunities. Cash payouts for the top five finishers and trophies through tenth as well as many product give-away opportunities for the rest of the field. Stay tuned to RCSE for more updates Thanks, John Press Release US Soaring Masters. The goal for this event is to help stimulate the competition soaring segment into higher levels of awareness within the modeling community. Soaring has endured many years with no real push to grow the segment. With a prestigious international event, that will draw out the best pilots from not only the US but the world, could only help grow the great sport of competition soaring. IMAC has seen much growth, which is no doubt partly due to prestigious events like TOC, and the Don Lowe Masters. Scale has also seen great growth with events like Top Gun and the US Scale masters. The Electric segment has seen growth with events like Neat and SEFF. Giant scale has seen growth with events like Joe Nall, Dogs and the IMAA rally's. Soaring needs it's own high profile event. An event that will be the one to win, an event that brings the soaring segment in front of the average modeler, an event that gets people excited about soaring. This event is not a fly in, it is a pure competition, with rules designed to choose the best thermal pilot in the world. This event will aspire many to get involved in soaring and aspire them to higher levels of soaring skills. Dates: September 21 - 24 2006. The competition days are Friday, Saturday and Sunday 8 - 5. Thursday is setup day. Location: AMA Headquarters, Muncie IN. This site will be ideal due to the ability for 360deg winch setup. LSF Involvement LSF has agreed to support this event is in the form of manpower and equipment. The LSF has agreed to run this event through utilization of their staff and equipment. Additional Horizon staff
Re: [RCSE] Supra
.com/ So when people talk about a Supra (glider) it could mean a lot of different things. Different fuses and lengths, different airfoils, different wingspans, different wing construction (bagged or molded), etc... Yeah, and other things too. Like different linkages (the Drela design uses RDS for ailerons and flaps, but I don't think Keisling and Barnes use them). I can't comment much on the molded supra. But I am a big Drela fan and consider myself a builder of 2 of his designs (Allegro Lite and Bubble Dancer). If you go to the Charles River page, you will often see that Mark lists alternate ways to do things, so you can in fact build one of his designs several different ways. It is possible no two Bubble Dancers or Supras are alike. That is one of the things that I think make his designs popular. Guys get to chat about how they went about building his designs. I think the one constant thing in the Supra is the airfoil (the Kennedy version, the Drela version, the wings Phil makes, and I think the Thermal Dancer all use the AG40 series foils) and that the Supra wing and model is specifically designed to handle F3J launches and that the model is designed for F3J flying. In reality, the Drela Supra is really quite similar to one of his earlier designs, the Aegea (remember the guys using the Barnes Aegea wings on Ava fuses last year, although the Barnes spar is a lot different than Mark's spar design). The spar was changed a bit on the Supra to be more twist resistant for high speed F3J launches (no sweep in the spar). The horizontal tail had the sub rudder removed to avoid a possible rule issue in F3J. The boom is supposed to be even stiffer. Things like that. Confusing/fun, eh? My winter project is a 2 meter Aegea wing to fit my Allegro Lite fuselage. And, if I have time a second fuselage. Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Jim,
I have heard of some gluttens for punishment, but this project wins the award.
Marc
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Original Message
From: JIM EALY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12/27/05 3:38 pm
To: Frank Deichsel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: RCSE posting' soaring@airage.com
Subj: Re: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Frank:
I still have the fuse from many years ago and I have set up a standard stick
wing. Hope to fly it at WC '06 or '07. I found a good set of info on the ASW
20CLX - extended wing with winglets. I am using Dr Drela's BD wing platform
for the wings, 3/16,5/32, and 1/8 hard balsa ribs (Lofted with Compufoil)
with 3/16 ply ribs at selected locations, full spar width vertical webbing, and
layered carbon spars. Cap rib side of LE with carbon and bottom of the TE.
Aileron sub spars generously capped with carbon. Carbon wing rod and tubes. By
the time you have the correct sized obechii, a proper spar built, and proper
vacuum bagging set up, etc, the ribs can be cut and the wing laid up RTC. IMHO
Happy building
Jim
PS:laying up and vacuum bagging those long wings could be a nightmare!
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:31 +, Frank Deichsel wrote:
Thanks George, yes I have thought about that.
I am pondering though what thickness the cores are designed for. I have never
cut cores but I know that the thickness of the intended sheeting is considered
(deducted) so that after sheeting the desired airfoil shape is achieved. Or
does a millimeter more or less not matter that much? It's an older airfoil
anyway, FX60-126 if I remember correctly.
Thanks,
Frank
- Original Message -
From: George Voss
To: 'Frank Deichsel' ; 'RCSE posting'
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Frank, I'm not familiar with this particular plane but I'd agree with you.
The obechi we get here in the US is going to be pretty thin on a 5M wing unless
you have a substantial spar system. Have you thought of using 2 layers of the
thin obechi?
George
--
From: Frank Deichsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15 PM
To: RCSE posting
Subject: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Hi,
I got a good deal on a 1/3 scale ASW-20 kit made by Mark Smith/Dream Catcher
Hobby. Unfortunately there are no plans included and I need to know what
thickness obechi the wing cores are cut for. I did some research but no
success. The common thickness for sheeting seems to be 1/42 here, but from what
I found that seems to be too thin for a 5 meter wing. There is a wing made by
Mueller in Germany in the same size which is sheeted with 1.2 mm which is
roughly twice as thick.
Any info would be appreciated!
Frank
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Thanks George, yes I have thought about
that.
I am pondering though what thickness the cores are
designed for. I have never cut cores but I know that the thickness of the
intended sheeting is considered (deducted) so that after sheeting the desired
airfoil shape is achieved. Or does a millimeter more or less not matter that
much? It's an older airfoil anyway, FX60-126 if I remember
correctly.
Thanks,
Frank
- Original Message -
From:
George Voss
To: 'Frank Deichsel' ; 'RCSE posting'
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:10
AM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream
Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Frank, I?m not
familiar with this particular plane but I?d agree with you. The obechi
we get here in the US is going to be pretty thin on a 5M wing unless you
have
a substantial spar system. Have you thought of using 2 layers of the
thin obechi?
George
From: Frank
Deichsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15
PMTo: RCSE
postingSubject: [RCSE] 1/3
ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info
Needed
Hi,
I got a good deal on a 1/3
scale ASW-20 kit made by Mark Smith/Dream Catcher Hobby. Unfortunately there
are no plans included and I need to know what thickness obechi the wing
cores
are cut for. I did some research but no success. The common thickness for
sheeting seems to be 1/42 here, but from what I found that seems to be too
thin for a 5 meter wing. There is a wing made by Mueller in
Germany in the same size which is
sheeted with 1.2 mm which is roughly twice as
thick.
Any info would be
appreciated!
[RCSE] Planes for sale
I need to sell a few planes to clear out the hangar and make room for some new toys. I am willing to negotiate a price for any of them. The planes are; 1. Pike Superior x-tail white/blue $1200. It has Jr 168s and 368s in the wing and a 3421 for the elevator and 85mg on the rudder. It had a crack in the fuse just aft of the cockpit hatch cover that was repaired and repainted. It comes with ballast and 5 cell 1300 mamp battery. It was flown during part of this last season. 2. Stratos SR x-tail white/red $875. It has Multiplex speed Digi's on the flaps and Hitec 125's on the ailerons a JR 3421 for the elevator, Hitec 85 mg for the rudder. The battery is a 1300 mamp five cell and I have modified the fuse to hold a 3/4 single ballast tube (ballast not included). One tip has a wrinkle and one stab has some repair. The Shredair plane bag that holds the wings and a sleeve for the fuse is included. 3. Fred Sage 2m x-tail white/black $350. I need to check the servos on the plane. The fuse has one crack that was repaired. I flew this plane until I bought an Image. 4. F3F Tempest x-tail yellow/red $350. This is just the airframe; all the servos have been removed. The fuse and x-tail are in excellent condition. Fuse has a ¾ ballast tube. Both wings were damaged, mostly repaired, from a landing in a bush. I have since flown the plane before removing the servos for another plane. The cost to ship outside of the SF bay area will be extra. Mart
Re: [RCSE] Cabosil question
I also found it at my local boat repair place. I think I got 1/2 lb which is enough to last me for the rest of my life at the rate I've been using it. Mike Las Vegas, NV On Dec 27, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Harley Michaelis wrote: Steve. . .check places that do fiberglas boat hull repairs. One here had it in big sacks for their work and gave me a 2-pound oleo container full for a buck. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rc Soaring Exchange Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: [RCSE] Cabosil question I need to buy some cabosil but don't know where to purchase it. Is the West System, #406 colloidal silica adhesive filler the same stuff as cabosil? Thanks, S Gibson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: FS: NIB Berg 5 DSPII RX
I will take the Berg 5. if it's still availble. PM SENT Mike -- skyrider skyrider's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=6600 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=427881 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Barry is right, 6Vvs. 4.8V has nothing to with servo life. More folks are flying 6V now than probably anytime, and from what the guys have told me at JR, our servos can handle voltages much higher than 6V. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] A good reason to use 5 cells
Dittos Bill. Don't guys run even bigger packs on individual sets of servos on IMAC ships? Marc Sent with Wireless Sync from Verizon Wireless Original Message From: Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/29/05 11:27 am To: soaring@airage.com soaring@airage.com Subj: Re: [RCSE] A good reason to use 5 cells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry is a very intelligent guy so likely forgot to mention that he's got a voltage regulator between his 5 cells and the system to protect things. A voltage regulator insures that your digital servos and RX don't get too much of a good thing, Every digital servo that I am aware of, and I run most of them from JR281's to 8611's and Futaba 9252's, CAN take 6 volts without a problem. Old wives tale. 7.2 volts is a different thing. But I love this myth about needing a regulator with 5-cell packs. I have run 5-cell packs (Nicad NiMH) in everything from D/HLG to molded TD to helis to 40% giant scale aerobatic planes for several years, ALL with digitals of various sizes, with not a single problem. Run a regulator if it makes you feel better, but it is totally unnecessary. And even in my big aerobatic planes I cannot tell the difference between flight #1 and #5 (when I charge). The very worst thing that you may observe is a slight jitter when you first turn on. Lasts about 15 seconds as the surface charge goes away. And to the point about stalling, etc. causing a need for a regulator. Sorry, the regulator does nothing there. A stalled servo pulls what a stalled servo pulls, irrespective of a regulator. Most OEM plugs are rated at 3 amps continuos (means no real rise in temp at that amperage) which is well below the full stall current for most glider digitals, and right at stall current for say an 8611 or 9252. WEM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS: Rare Sterling Schweizer 1-34 Kit
For Sale: Extremely Rare, Sterling Models Schweizer 1-34 R/C Sailplane Kit. This is a real R/C Collectible! Kit is new in the box and is complete and in great shape. Kit builds into a model that is: 1/6-scale, 8 ft 2-1/2 inch Span, with 615 sq.in. of area, weight about 40 ounces less R/C gear. $500 can send jpeg images on request. Thanks! Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Repair..Dog-eared wingtip...how too?
Another bonehead movedropped my golf bag on the lft tip of my Opus creating a pretty good dog ear. I hate these repairs...especially when I have a studio abouth the size of an old tool shed :) anyone in California up to this type of kob? I can pay or trade a plane or such. I just want it done straight strong and true. Hope not too much to askI have had D Hauch, who is AWSOME, do some stuff for me nut the shipping charges seem to be a bit much and am still paying for, yet another, foot operation done Oct 25th.Any help or advice is always totally appreciated!Thanks everyone and Happy Holidays! Cheers!T Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less
Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio
Now boys, don't get yourselves too up tight over what kind of sailplane a guy should fly. Leave that kind of stuff to the fools that want to argue about religions. There is no mention in the rules banning certain types, so if woody enthusiast wants to participate, I'm sure they will be treated equally. If there is a woody class as I proposed, I'm sure the attendance bell will ring a little louder. The Soaring Masters contest is a great idea, not new, we use to have a Masters that jumped around the country, maybe the last one was at Toledo about 1990 (?), I think JW won it. It also had a no skeg rule. Keep cool and Happy New Year Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mark browning [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio I'll be substituting the Buy with a Build on my entry and I will be flying a molded model. If you carefully look at the top pilots and WC in all areas of modelling, I suspect you will find that many build thier own or are working closely with a mfg to help design and build the models they fly. I think they should outlaw laser cut parts and any other power tools from the woody contests. Nothing more than razor blades and sandpaper are allowed ;-) John wrote: Ray, no store bought Are you kidding? That is heresy! It's sad but it looks like (from the lack of anyone responding to your post in the last 24hr) this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. You have to save your support money for the craftsman/builder events. It looks like no one values, or gives any consideration, to the people that have the skill and determination to build what they fly. Not a big enough market I guess. John -Original Message- From: Ray Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:52 PM To: John Diniz; mark browning Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio John and LSF, You guys should be Knighted. Get it on big time TV and include some aerobatics footage to spark it up. I truly hope this is a winner. I will be delighted to donate a $100.00, $75.00 and $50.00 for Cash awards to first thru third place in a woody class. Like the Southwest Classic does it with 2m, RES and Grey Cup, not separate flight groups, just separate class scoring. Providing the woody qualification rules are: Built up wood flying surfaces, with or without a glass fuse, no restrictions on spar construction, no molded d-tube, no foam, no store bought, AMA unlimited class. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mark browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Just need to be an LSF member. Check out http://www.silentflight.org/ on how to do that. We're capping it to the 1st 150 entrants for the 1st year. No firm date on when registration will open, but it should be this spring sometime. Once we get the website up there will be tons more info there. JD -Original Message- From: mark browning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:14 PM To: John Diniz Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Holt shi! how you Qualify??? see you in AZ MB From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:00:59 -0600 Well folks, time to block out your vacation days for Sept 21-24, 2006. I'm pleased to announce the 1st annual LSF Soaring Masters to be held at the AMA site in Muncie, In. Please see the press release below. There will be a website up in the coming weeks that will have more info on registration and sponsorship opportunities. Cash payouts for the top five finishers and trophies through tenth as well as many product give-away opportunities for the rest of the field. Stay tuned to RCSE for more updates Thanks, John Press Release US Soaring Masters. The goal for this event is to help stimulate the competition soaring segment into higher levels of awareness within the modeling community. Soaring has endured many years with no real push to grow the segment. With a prestigious international event, that will draw out the best pilots from not only the US but the world, could only help grow the great sport of competition soaring. IMAC has seen much growth,
Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio
Ray, that was the 1996 Eighth Annual Masters of Soaring, held as you mentioned, in Michigan at the Toledo Weak Signals field. -- Original message -- From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now boys, don't get yourselves too up tight over what kind of sailplane a guy should fly. Leave that kind of stuff to the fools that want to argue about religions. There is no mention in the rules banning certain types, so if woody enthusiast wants to participate, I'm sure they will be treated equally. If there is a woody class as I proposed, I'm sure the attendance bell will ring a little louder. The Soaring Masters contest is a great idea, not new, we use to have a Masters that jumped around the country, maybe the last one was at Toledo about 1990 (?), I think JW won it. It also had a no skeg rule. Keep cool and Happy New Year Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mark browning [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio I'll be substituting the Buy with a Build on my entry and I will be flying a molded model. If you carefully look at the top pilots and WC in all areas of modelling, I suspect you will find that many build thier own or are working closely with a mfg to help design and build the models they fly. I think they should outlaw laser cut parts and any other power tools from the woody contests. Nothing more than razor blades and sandpaper are allowed ;-) John wrote: Ray, no store bought Are you kidding? That is heresy! It's sad but it looks like (from the lack of anyone responding to your post in the last 24hr) this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. You have to save your support money for the craftsman/builder events. It looks like no one values, or gives any consideration, to the people that have the skill and determination to build what they fly. Not a big enough market I guess. John -Original Message- From: Ray Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:52 PM To: John Diniz; mark browning Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio John and LSF, You guys should be Knighted. Get it on big time TV and include some aerobatics footage to spark it up. I truly hope this is a winner. I will be delighted to donate a $100.00, $75.00 and $50.00 for Cash awards to first thru third place in a woody class. Like the Southwest Classic does it with 2m, RES and Grey Cup, not separate flight groups, just separate class scoring. Providing the woody qualification rules are: Built up wood flying surfaces, with or without a glass fuse, no restrictions on spar construction, no molded d-tube, no foam, no store bought, AMA unlimited class. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mark browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Just need to be an LSF member. Check out http://www.silentflight.org/ on how to do that. We're capping it to the 1st 150 entrants for the 1st year. No firm date on when registration will open, but it should be this spring sometime. Once we get the website up there will be tons more info there. JD -Original Message- From: mark browning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:14 PM To: John Diniz Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Holt shi! how you Qualify??? see you in AZ MB From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:00:59 -0600 Well folks, time to block out your vacation days for Sept 21-24, 2006. I'm pleased to announce the 1st annual LSF Soaring Masters to be held at the AMA site in Muncie, In. Please see the press release below. There will be a website up in the coming weeks that will have more info on registration and sponsorship opportunities. Cash payouts for the top five finishers and trophies through tenth as well as many product give-away opportunities for the rest of the field. Stay tuned to RCSE for more updates Thanks, John Press Release US Soaring Masters. The goal for this event is to help stimulate the
[RCSE] New year's greeting - soaring theme
Hey, try this site for a New Year's greeting that's slightly soaring related: http://wandascountryhome.com/newyear/cheers.html And, even if you don't, Happy New Year to all, Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio
CD'd by the great ole guy of soaring Art Slagel. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mark browning [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Ray, that was the 1996 Eighth Annual Masters of Soaring, held as you mentioned, in Michigan at the Toledo Weak Signals field. -- Original message -- From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now boys, don't get yourselves too up tight over what kind of sailplane a guy should fly. Leave that kind of stuff to the fools that want to argue about religions. There is no mention in the rules banning certain types, so if woody enthusiast wants to participate, I'm sure they will be treated equally. If there is a woody class as I proposed, I'm sure the attendance bell will ring a little louder. The Soaring Masters contest is a great idea, not new, we use to have a Masters that jumped around the country, maybe the last one was at Toledo about 1990 (?), I think JW won it. It also had a no skeg rule. Keep cool and Happy New Year Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mark browning [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio I'll be substituting the Buy with a Build on my entry and I will be flying a molded model. If you carefully look at the top pilots and WC in all areas of modelling, I suspect you will find that many build thier own or are working closely with a mfg to help design and build the models they fly. I think they should outlaw laser cut parts and any other power tools from the woody contests. Nothing more than razor blades and sandpaper are allowed ;-) John wrote: Ray, no store bought Are you kidding? That is heresy! It's sad but it looks like (from the lack of anyone responding to your post in the last 24hr) this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. You have to save your support money for the craftsman/builder events. It looks like no one values, or gives any consideration, to the people that have the skill and determination to build what they fly. Not a big enough market I guess. John -Original Message- From: Ray Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:52 PM To: John Diniz; mark browning Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio John and LSF, You guys should be Knighted. Get it on big time TV and include some aerobatics footage to spark it up. I truly hope this is a winner. I will be delighted to donate a $100.00, $75.00 and $50.00 for Cash awards to first thru third place in a woody class. Like the Southwest Classic does it with 2m, RES and Grey Cup, not separate flight groups, just separate class scoring. Providing the woody qualification rules are: Built up wood flying surfaces, with or without a glass fuse, no restrictions on spar construction, no molded d-tube, no foam, no store bought, AMA unlimited class. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mark browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Just need to be an LSF member. Check out http://www.silentflight.org/ on how to do that. We're capping it to the 1st 150 entrants for the 1st year. No firm date on when registration will open, but it should be this spring sometime. Once we get the website up there will be tons more info there. JD -Original Message- From: mark browning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:14 PM To: John Diniz Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Holt shi! how you Qualify??? see you in AZ MB From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:00:59 -0600 Well folks, time to block out your vacation
Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio
John We have very little to disagree about. I too think that the hobby would benefit from having more scratch builders. At least half the fun for me and many scratch builders is the building part of the hobby. That is why I and many scratch builders spend hours online and elsewhere talking about scratch building techniques. I also have great respect for Ray Hayes and the woody contests that he promotes. I only have a very slight knowledge of that aspect of the hobby since that is not where my interests lie but I have enough knowledge to recognize that he is doing a great service to the hobby by promoting that aspect. The woody class and the hard-core-all-out competition-no-holds-barred type of contest are simply two very different things. Rays offer for having a woody class contest at the soaring masters would be akin to someone else suggesting a molded plane class at a woody contest. I'm guessing that kind of offer would also fall on deaf ears. I think our only area of disagreement is that I don't think the lack of a response to Ray's offer indicates any lack of respect. It is simply indicative of the total split between the two soaring disciplines. Each of the two disciplines has scratch builders. Phil - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phil I totally respect that you, Berry and others are scratch builders. You are in the minority. You, and less than the number of fingers on my hands, will be the builders at this contest. Wouldn't it be nice if we still had builders not buyers? Well maybe not from you business prospective but think of it from the view of the hobby/sport. Ray made a generous offer to have a class that would be a wood wing builder class that was completely ignored. I think that that is a real slap in the face for him and all the other wood wing builder/flyer pilots that are supporters of the hobby. I guess they don't really have that much buying power so it doesn't matter. John -Original Message- From: Phil Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:44 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] it looks like ... this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. I'm sure there will be at least a few Big Buck, Build Fly models as well and some of those will be flown by Big Boys. Mine will be flown by a mere mortal though. Wow! This started out as a light hearted post but I just went back and read the entire post I was responding to more closely...I have the skill and determination to build what I fly. I think this a great event and am very greatful that the effort is being made to put it on. I'll be there with my home built models. I'm not feeling the least bit left out or slighted. Why do people assume that scratch builders aren't really scratch builders if they don't use much wood anymore? Phil - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] no store bought Are you kidding? That is heresy! It's sad but it looks like (from the lack of anyone responding to your post in the last 24hr) this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. You have to save your support money for the craftsman/builder events. It looks like no one values, or gives any consideration, to the people that have the skill and determination to build what they fly. Not a big enough market I guess. John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS: new f3b winchs
hi, I have a great machinist that will build me as many f3b winchs as I want. This guy is top notch and has done alot of work for me in the past. The cheapest way to do this, is to buy material to do six at a time. We can started on the first six right away, we will be ordering the material on Monday. Anyone one interested ? here's what I can do; *everything is made from aluminum and polished. *5/8'' solid aluminum base plate, withholes drilled under the drum area to lighten. *1 1/2'' solidend support plates. 13'' long x 1.5'' dia. drum, with 2.'' and 2.5'' clam shells that willattach with two screws per half into the 1.5'' drum. *starter motors come from World Wide Co. they are a big company so they will be consistent and easily replaceable if need be. *adjustable stand or frame. *foot pedal connectors. *solenoid will be bolted to the base plate. *no turn around. *no battery cables. sorry no pics until I build the first six. looks like they'll be around $1000- $1200. hopefully cheaper, but I won't go beyond the $1200. i'll have a solid price and pics after we do these first six. thefirst sixwill becheapest. I'm open to any suggestions. Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com
RE: [RCSE] A good reason to use 5 cells
Here's my $.02 on the whole thing... First, just about all modern-day equipment, digital or analog, can handle the nominal 6V that we associate with a 5-cell pack. That being said... There are 2 problems with running a 5-cell pack: 1) A 5-cell pack is nominally rated at 6.0V BUT...Hot off the charger it is substantially more than the nominal 6.0V (check it some time for yourself). That is where the jitters you hear about come in AND it does subject your system components to some pretty harsh treatment. Fortunately it doesn't last very long BUT it is over-stressing your components to some degree. 2) A 5-cell pack, with the same mah rating as a 4-cell pack, will provide LESS flight time than the 4-cell pack...PERIOD. 5-cells gives you more voltage, when you give your equipment more voltage (V), it draws more current (A). It'll make that servo seem faster and more powerful but the cost is in current draw, which saps your battery more, and yes, it might shorten your servo life a tad. Keep in mind, particularly with analog servos, that those little tiny gears are typically not designed for that extra oomph that you're getting either (keep spares on-hand G). Lastly, I just gotta ask the question...How many pilots out there can really, I mean REALLY, tell the difference??? Does it make THAT much difference if your servo moves .0x seconds faster? Can you REALLY feel or see it? Do you REALLY think THAT is going to make you the next WC or get you down on time and on the spot??? The proper approach to get more powerful or faster servos, IMHO...Buy more powerful or faster servos to begin with!!! It never ceases to amaze me that some people will put over $1500 into an aircraft (power, glider, heli) and then try to save a few dollars on the servos! That's my $.02 ~ Happy New Year to all! -Sheldon- YNT uDesign A Soaring Nationals Supporter -Original Message- From: Marc Gellart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:48 AM To: Bill's Email; soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] A good reason to use 5 cells Dittos Bill. Don't guys run even bigger packs on individual sets of servos on IMAC ships? Marc Sent with Wireless Sync from Verizon Wireless Original Message From: Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/29/05 11:27 am To: soaring@airage.com soaring@airage.com Subj: Re: [RCSE] A good reason to use 5 cells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry is a very intelligent guy so likely forgot to mention that he's got a voltage regulator between his 5 cells and the system to protect things. A voltage regulator insures that your digital servos and RX don't get too much of a good thing, Every digital servo that I am aware of, and I run most of them from JR281's to 8611's and Futaba 9252's, CAN take 6 volts without a problem. Old wives tale. 7.2 volts is a different thing. But I love this myth about needing a regulator with 5-cell packs. I have run 5-cell packs (Nicad NiMH) in everything from D/HLG to molded TD to helis to 40% giant scale aerobatic planes for several years, ALL with digitals of various sizes, with not a single problem. Run a regulator if it makes you feel better, but it is totally unnecessary. And even in my big aerobatic planes I cannot tell the difference between flight #1 and #5 (when I charge). The very worst thing that you may observe is a slight jitter when you first turn on. Lasts about 15 seconds as the surface charge goes away. And to the point about stalling, etc. causing a need for a regulator. Sorry, the regulator does nothing there. A stalled servo pulls what a stalled servo pulls, irrespective of a regulator. Most OEM plugs are rated at 3 amps continuos (means no real rise in temp at that amperage) which is well below the full stall current for most glider digitals, and right at stall current for say an 8611 or 9252. WEM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio
Ryan, I would love to see your Paragon, Allegro Lite and many other wood wing planes flying at this contest. So much so, that I will match Ray's sponsorship offer of $100.00, $75.00 and $50.00 for Cash awards to first thru third place in a woody class. That will make it real interesting for the wood wing flyers. If the powers that be will allow it, I think that it would entice the wood wing flyers out and give then a reason to fly. They could fly knowing that they are contesting for wood wing prize not just spending $75 for a few MOM launches. As you know Ryan, I am not a contest kind of guy and would be more of a hazard than a benefit as a contestant. Barring any conflicts I will be available for gofer, and worker bee service. That time of year we may not have the kids to run the carts and help set up so I can shag help and shag chutes like I did at the Nats (to relieve the kids for lunch and when it was too hot) and at our local OVSS contest. It's a great way to watch a contest. John P.S. Maybe an up of the ante will convince you to commit the time. -Original Message- From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of rdwoebke Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:58 PM To: John Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Actually, when Ray posted the suggestion about the woody class I thought that was a pretty good idea. I almost replied saying I was in, but then I realized that with my family it is very difficult to commit to a 2 day contest, much less a 3 day one. But they sure are fun though. I think it would be great to see some guys flying woodies in the mix. I remember 10 years ago when I started contesting that it seemed every contest I went to (Cincy, Louisville) had at least one guy flying a sailaire or an Oly. Even back then the guys on top usualy had composite ships (but sometimes the guys flying the wood bent wings would take a place). These days it is a lot more rare, at least outside the club contests. Club contests almost always have a variety of colorful wooden gliders. So John, why don't you come on down from Ft. Wayne and join in the fun at the Masters? I'd like to join in as well, but don't know that I'll be able to commit the time away. But, I will be at at least a few OVSS contests this year with my woody (Allegro Lite or Paragon). Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio
Phil, You're correct, we do not have much to disagree about. I think your generous sharing of information is first class. I, and a whole legion of builders, have benefited from your experience and wisdom. As for sub classes at a woody event, I believe the GLASS woody contest in Lansing has had all wood and wood wing w/composite fuse classes the last two years I have attended. Something for everyone! Frankly I think that all contests should fly with a composite class and an all-wood class just to help the sport draw out new people and make it fun for everyone. John -Original Message- From: Phil Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:10 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio John We have very little to disagree about. I too think that the hobby would benefit from having more scratch builders. At least half the fun for me and many scratch builders is the building part of the hobby. That is why I and many scratch builders spend hours online and elsewhere talking about scratch building techniques. I also have great respect for Ray Hayes and the woody contests that he promotes. I only have a very slight knowledge of that aspect of the hobby since that is not where my interests lie but I have enough knowledge to recognize that he is doing a great service to the hobby by promoting that aspect. The woody class and the hard-core-all-out competition-no-holds-barred type of contest are simply two very different things. Rays offer for having a woody class contest at the soaring masters would be akin to someone else suggesting a molded plane class at a woody contest. I'm guessing that kind of offer would also fall on deaf ears. I think our only area of disagreement is that I don't think the lack of a response to Ray's offer indicates any lack of respect. It is simply indicative of the total split between the two soaring disciplines. Each of the two disciplines has scratch builders. Phil - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phil I totally respect that you, Berry and others are scratch builders. You are in the minority. You, and less than the number of fingers on my hands, will be the builders at this contest. Wouldn't it be nice if we still had builders not buyers? Well maybe not from you business prospective but think of it from the view of the hobby/sport. Ray made a generous offer to have a class that would be a wood wing builder class that was completely ignored. I think that that is a real slap in the face for him and all the other wood wing builder/flyer pilots that are supporters of the hobby. I guess they don't really have that much buying power so it doesn't matter. John -Original Message- From: Phil Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:44 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] it looks like ... this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. I'm sure there will be at least a few Big Buck, Build Fly models as well and some of those will be flown by Big Boys. Mine will be flown by a mere mortal though. Wow! This started out as a light hearted post but I just went back and read the entire post I was responding to more closely...I have the skill and determination to build what I fly. I think this a great event and am very greatful that the effort is being made to put it on. I'll be there with my home built models. I'm not feeling the least bit left out or slighted. Why do people assume that scratch builders aren't really scratch builders if they don't use much wood anymore? Phil - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] no store bought Are you kidding? That is heresy! It's sad but it looks like (from the lack of anyone responding to your post in the last 24hr) this is going to be the BY (Big Boy, Big Bucks, Buy Fly) contest. You have to save your support money for the craftsman/builder events. It looks like no one values, or gives any consideration, to the people that have the skill and determination to build what they fly. Not a big enough market I guess. John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List
