FW: [RCSE] DLGs = Bang for the Buck, NO WAY; Benchmarks- Get Real.

[Chris Newcomb]

Too bad Brian Smith does not live over here, he could fly my planes for me 
while I drink beer!
 
Cheers!!!> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:31:10 -0600> To: soaring@airage.com> From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [RCSE] DLGs = Bang for the Buck, NO WAY; 
Benchmarks- Get Real.> > That is about how long it takes me to get my 132 inch 
span RES model > ready to fly after I get to the field. The model fits in my 
van > ready to fly except that the outer wing panels have to be plugged in > 
and taped on. The model was designed with a 3 piece wing with a 48 > inch 
center wing that will fit in my van when bolted to the fuselage. > If someone 
has a winch set up, it takes me longer that that to get > from my van to the 
winch. If Brian Smith is there, he often has my > model assembled by the time I 
get out of the van. :)> > Chuck> > At 01:29 AM 12/3/2007, you wrote:> 
>Everybody has good points but listen to this. I place my 2 or 3 > >DLG's in 
the back of my minivan, assembled and ready to fly. The one > >I want to fly 
first is charging as I drive to the field. I get to > >the field, put my card 
on the board and am flying 180 seconds later.> >> >> >Admitedly, sometimes 
there is very little low level lift, but other than that,> >> >Beat that!> > 
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Re: [RCSE] Your Genie LT/S

[jcarlton3]

 Dana Flemming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> My question is, how well does it float?
>   ;-)
>   Dana
> 
Floats well in light air, strong winds and even... water! Needs a little more 
rudder authority in the water though...:)  I guess it wanted to see what all 
the fuss was about a DUCK...
BTW, who can recommend a good lost plane finder? I know there are a few on the 
market..any testimonials?

Jim

Since I let the Genie out of the bottle, I wonder what three wishes I'll be 
granted? My wishes?...
For all a Happy Holiday season...
That new world beater, sailplane toy under the tree for all of my soaring 
pals 
and good health, wealth and happiness for the new year...(all I need is a 
vacation!)
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Re: [RCSE] Your Genie LT/S

[Dana Flemming]

My question is, how well does it float?
  ;-)
  Dana

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Harley and all,
The Genie LT/S works as advertised but I haven't been able to maximize it's 
potential because I still have just a few hours of flight time with it. I am 
also trying to configure a new radio and doing both at a contest, which has 
been the only flying the Genie has done, makes it an interesting task. 

One aspect of construction I noticed important is a good joint between the 
inner and outer panels. With the blade joiners, a lot of stress is put on those 
joiner boxes and a bit of slop does develop with heavy launches, as I'm prone 
to do. Why, I don't know but I guess I've just got a heavy foot and better 
launch management might be in order. The tips do flex a bit but I have never 
come close to being concerned about it. 

I also am considering adding a bit more down travel to the ailerons at the tip 
of the surface, I do notice a bit of sluggishness in a turn and wonder if a bit 
more deflection might improve this. Differential right now is a pretty hefty 
8-10 to 1 and I don't think I need to worry about adverse yaw, true? Pretty 
heavy use of left stick is needed to keep a nice coordinated turn but that's 
okay. I actually think my flying has improved greatly by exercising that left 
thumb a bit more; starting turns with rudder gives me some good indications 
about what the air is doing around me and whether I'm turning into good or bad 
air. 

I guess I'm still looking to fly this like a handlaunch...:)

Thanks for the efforts with your designs and research, Harley. 

Jim



 Harley Michaelis wrote: 
> Jim. . .I gather you have gotten your LT/S airborne. I've long been 
> waiting to hear from you about it. Tell us more.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [RCSE] Your Genie LT/S

[Harley Michaelis]

Jim. . . In the Setup file in the latest web pages or CD I do emphasize 
the importance of keeping the tips closely butted to the center to avoid 
unwanted bending stresses on the spring steel blades. The flex noted in 
the tips is expected. It's the nature of the spring steel to give a 
little, but I've never had one take a set from hard launches. The 
subject of intentional aero elasticity is discussed in the What's a 
Genie file.  Fixing any slop that develops between the blades and boxes 
is addressed at the end of File 8. Good idea to coat the blades with 
paste wax to avoid unintentional bonding of the blades in the boxes.



Sure, experiment with different throws to get the wanted response.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Harley and all,
The Genie LT/S works as advertised but I haven't been able to maximize it's potential because I still have just a few hours of flight time with it. I am also trying to configure a new radio and doing both at a contest, which has been the only flying the Genie has done, makes it an interesting task. 

One aspect of construction I noticed important is a good joint between the inner and outer panels. With the blade joiners, a lot of stress is put on those joiner boxes and a bit of slop does develop with heavy launches, as I'm prone to do. Why, I don't know but I guess I've just got a heavy foot and better launch management might be in order. The tips do flex a bit but I have never come close to being concerned about it. 

I also am considering adding a bit more down travel to the ailerons at the tip of the surface, I do notice a bit of sluggishness in a turn and wonder if a bit more deflection might improve this. Differential right now is a pretty hefty 8-10 to 1 and I don't think I need to worry about adverse yaw, true? Pretty heavy use of left stick is needed to keep a nice coordinated turn but that's okay. I actually think my flying has improved greatly by exercising that left thumb a bit more; starting turns with rudder gives me some good indications about what the air is doing around me and whether I'm turning into good or bad air. 


I guess I'm still looking to fly this like a handlaunch...:)

Thanks for the efforts with your designs and research, Harley. 


Jim



 Harley Michaelis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  
Jim. . .I gather you have gotten your LT/S airborne. I've long been 
waiting to hear from you about it. Tell us more.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


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Re: [RCSE] Your Genie LT/S

[jcarlton3]

Harley and all,
The Genie LT/S works as advertised but I haven't been able to maximize it's 
potential because I still have just a few hours of flight time with it. I am 
also trying to configure a new radio and doing both at a contest, which has 
been the only flying the Genie has done, makes it an interesting task. 

One aspect of construction I noticed important is a good joint between the 
inner and outer panels. With the blade joiners, a lot of stress is put on those 
joiner boxes and a bit of slop does develop with heavy launches, as I'm prone 
to do. Why, I don't know but I guess I've just got a heavy foot and better 
launch management might be in order. The tips do flex a bit but I have never 
come close to being concerned about it. 

I also am considering adding a bit more down travel to the ailerons at the tip 
of the surface, I do notice a bit of sluggishness in a turn and wonder if a bit 
more deflection might improve this. Differential right now is a pretty hefty 
8-10 to 1 and I don't think I need to worry about adverse yaw, true? Pretty 
heavy use of left stick is needed to keep a nice coordinated turn but that's 
okay. I actually think my flying has improved greatly by exercising that left 
thumb a bit more; starting turns with rudder gives me some good indications 
about what the air is doing around me and whether I'm turning into good or bad 
air. 

I guess I'm still looking to fly this like a handlaunch...:)

Thanks for the efforts with your designs and research, Harley. 

Jim



 Harley Michaelis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Jim. . .I gather you have gotten your LT/S airborne. I've long been 
> waiting to hear from you about it. Tell us more.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[RCSE] Airtronics Legend

[Kevin O'Dell]

Thanks to everyone that responded to my request for the Legend  
kit.I have picked one up.I knew the folks on the Exchange  
would come up with what I needed..Great folks and Great  
information!!


Kevin O'Dell
Ardmore, OK

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[RCSE] planes for sale

[mark browning]

pike perfect great condition
pike superior good condition
need to sell
Mark
 

RE: [RCSE] For Sale - Jr XP9303 (Aero/Sailplane) kit for sale

[Donald B. Barker]

SOLD



From: Donald B. Barker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 4:41 PM
To: soaring@airage.com
Subject: [RCSE] For Sale - Jr XP9303 (Aero/Sailplane) kit for sale


Jr XP9303 Aero/Sailplane TX, with accessories (4 DX821 servos, R790 scan
select pcm rx, 1500 mah NiMh rx pack, switch harness, and wall wart charger
- all accessories are brand new and have never been used). The radio is the
Sail Plane version and comes with the Sail Plane radio manual, but the
switch layout is the same as the aero version. The software is the same
between the Aero/Sail Plane/Heli version.

The TX is in like new shape. It has been my back-up radio and spent its
short life in a padded transmitter case. I did replace the stock NiCad 800
mah TX battery with a NiMh 2000 mah battery. This battery does not self
discharge like higher capacity NiMh TX packs. 

I'm offering the entire kit (TX, RX, servos, etc.) and I will even throw in
another RX with it (your choice R790 or (R770 pcm or R700 ppm on #32) ) for
$375 shipped in Continental US, Paypal preferred.

Don Barker

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[RCSE] "What if they had an LSF election and no one reported the results?"

[GordySoar]

While I am sitting on the 6 floor of a resort in Mexico Beach Florida, my  
room door open to the sea breeze, a cool beer and some ribs laid out on the  
balcony table, I'm thinking, "Something is missing!"

Then it came to me, what the heck is the results of the LSF  elections?
 
Gordy



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Re: [RCSE] Winch Battery???

[TJB]

Optima D31M Blue Top Deep Cycle Marine, Battery 8052-161  $195.90
Specifications:
? BCI Group Size :31 (SAE Post & 5/16 Stud)
? Voltage: 12
? Cold Cranking Amps @ 0 F: 900
? Cranking Amps @ 32 F: 1125
? Reserve Capacity Minutes: 155
? Amp Hour (20 Hour Rate): 75
? Weight: 63 Lbs

Dimensions (Maximum Overall):
? Length: 12 13/16"
? Width: 6 1/2"
? Height: 9 3/8"

- Original Message - 
From: "john cyr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "RCSE" 
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Winch Battery???



Hi All,
   What winch battery is everyone using??? I'd prefer one that is 
"leakproof".

John
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[RCSE] For Sale - Jr XP9303 (Aero/Sailplane) kit for sale

[Donald B. Barker]

Jr XP9303 Aero/Sailplane TX, with accessories (4 DX821 servos, R790 scan
select pcm rx, 1500 mah NiMh rx pack, switch harness, and wall wart charger
- all accessories are brand new and have never been used). The radio is the
Sail Plane version and comes with the Sail Plane radio manual, but the
switch layout is the same as the aero version. The software is the same
between the Aero/Sail Plane/Heli version.

The TX is in like new shape. It has been my back-up radio and spent its
short life in a padded transmitter case. I did replace the stock NiCad 800
mah TX battery with a NiMh 2000 mah battery. This battery does not self
discharge like higher capacity NiMh TX packs. 

I'm offering the entire kit (TX, RX, servos, etc.) and I will even throw in
another RX with it (your choice R790 or (R770 pcm or R700 ppm on #32) ) for
$375 shipped in Continental US, Paypal preferred.

Don Barker

[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #10437 - Cleveland Albatross Not Cleveland Condor

[BOBCANMAN]

 
Mike,

 
As soon as I hit the send button I realized your question was about a  
Cleveland Albatross, not a Cleveland  Condor.  I probably told you more than 
you 
ever wanted  to know about the Condor.   
 
I built and flew a Cleveland model of the Bowlus Baby Allbatross pod and  
boom free flight glider.  The kit was called the  Eaglet.  I think the wingspan 
was 48 in.  The  plans showed the same rudder markings as the Baby Albatross, 
red and white  horizontal stripes and a circle of white stars on a blue 
background at the top  of the rudder.
 
If you are interested in the Bowlus Baby Albatross with a 120 in. wing  span 
Ray Hayes has kits.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/)  Plans are available from Bill Northrop's Plans 
Service.
 
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[RCSE] Laser 2M rudder-fin size

[atj]

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me the dimensions of
the 2M Laser rudder moveable control surface?  I know
the vertical stab is a part of the fuse, so what I
need are just the dimensions of the moveable control
surface.

THANKS


  

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[RCSE] For Sale Electric Topaz & Graphite RTF..

[michael morjoseph]

For Sale Electric Topaz & Graphite
These are very Nice Electrics sorry no pics yet
Graphite has a Hacker Motor 
Topaz Electric has a Klontrics?? 
Sorry I do not fly Much Electrics so I do not know
Much about them they come all ready to fly with Lipos
Would like to sell them Local in So Cal...
I also have 2 Spare Motors Available at Extra Cost..
Price for the Graphite RTF 850.00
Price for the Electric Topaz RTF 950.00
Just add your Rx and Fly...
Please call 714 356 3066 Mike's Cell
for more Info
Can Meet somewere in So Cal
I live in Orange County
These Planes are Sweet


  

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[RCSE] For Sale: Handmade carrying case for large glider

[Curt Thompson]

I sold the Fred Sage "Addiction" to guy who didn't want the case.  The case
is still for sell:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781021
 
Curt
 

[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #10437 - Cleveland Albatross

[BOBCANMAN]

Mike,
 
As soon as I hit the send button I realized your question was about a  
Cleveland Albatross, not a Cleveland  Condor.  I probably told you more than 
you 
ever wanted to  know about the Condor.   
 
I built and flew a Cleveland model of the Bowlus Baby Allbatross pod and  
boom free flight glider.  The kit was called the  Eaglet.  I think the wingspan 
was 48 in.  The  plans showed the same rudder markings as the Baby Albatross, 
red and white  horizontal stripes and a circle of white stars on a blue 
background at the top  of the rudder.
 
If you are interested in the Bowlus Baby Albatross with a 120 in. wing span  
Ray Hayes has kits.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(http://[EMAIL PROTECTED])  Plans are available from Bill Northrop's Plans 
Service.
 
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[RCSE] Wanted Pike Perfect,Sharon,Got Pike Superior?

[michael morjoseph]

Wanted Pike Perfect RTF..
Pike Superior RTF..
Wanted Sharon RTF...Good Condition Please..
if you have one ANY COLOR
Thats Ready to Fly and Selling it 
At a good Price Please send me a Email
For Faster Service please call my Cell
714 356 3066
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Thanks for Looking..
Mike.M
So Cal...
Got to Beat the Soaring Junkie!!!


  

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[RCSE] Winch Battery???

[john cyr]

Hi All,
   What winch battery is everyone using??? I'd prefer one that is 
"leakproof".
John 


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[RCSE] SOLD* FOR SALE Airtronics RD8000 Radio new price for Holidays

[Joe Rodriguez]

SOLD SOLD SOLD ,,YOU Snooze you lose ,, somebody got a nice radio for a 
swet price

SJ
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Rodriguez 
  To: RCSE (E-mail) 
  Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 4:54 PM
  Subject: [RCSE] FOR SALE Airtronics RD8000 Radio new price for Holidays



  Guy's I'm blowing out the Airtronics 72Mhz gear as I am on 2.4... Ok I know 
this is not a LANDMARK radio (-: but wow did I start something or what.. but I 
am in a giving mood

  this is a great radio for electrics 3D and power I am updating the price for 
the holidays RD8000 $70 :eek:  plus $10. shipping to CONUS PayPal please 
Excellent condition channel 36

  Smokinjoe

Re: [RCSE] Benchmarks ????

[Craig Allen]

The last mark I put on my bench bench was a little cutie named Cara, 22, 105 
pounds, 5' 4"Oh... Not that kind of bench mark! 

Nevermind :-))

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 In a message dated 12/3/07 12:56:54 PM, Soaring@airage.com writes:
 
 
 RE: [RCSE] DLGs = Bang for the Buck, NO WAY; Benchmarks- Get
   Real.
 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
 That is about how long it takes me to get my 132 inch span RES model
 ready to fly after I get to  the field. The model fits in my van
 ready to fly except that the outer wing panels have to be plugged in
 and taped on.  The model was designed with a 3 piece wing with a 48
 inch center wing that will fit in my van when bolted to the fuselage.
 If someone has a winch set up, it takes me longer that that  to get
 from my van to the winch.  If Brian Smith is there, he often has my
 model assembled by the time I get out of the van.  :)
 
 Chuck
 
 Chuck, add the price of the van required to haul the plane, add the price of 
the winch or at least a histart and the time to lay it out   or set it up plus 
retrieve it and put it away.
 
 When I first went to electrics in an all-gas club, one of the things I loved 
about it was the rest of the guys had to sit there after flights with squirt 
bottles of soap and baby diapers or paper towels, cleaning all the goo off 
their planes before they could even put them in the trunk. Me, I'd turn off the 
TX and RX, pop the wing off, toss them in the trunk of my compact car and head 
out the gate, whistling.   The DLG guys have the same freedom plus more 
possible   (smaller) sites to fly from. 
 
 DGMW: I like the big planes. I am working on one myself. But I also have a 
cheap Boomer flying wing DLG that cost me under a hundred all-up, and it can go 
anywhere, anytime.
 
 Mark S.
 
 
 


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[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #10437 - Cleveland Condor

[BOBCANMAN]

Mike,
 
I flew towline FF gliders in the 40's and 50's.  I flew Thermic 72's  and a 
Thermic 100.  One day I saw a Cleveland Condor and a new large  glider called 
the Imperial.  
 
The Cleveland Condor plans have the following information:
Condor Soarer E-19
72 in Class D Glider
294 sq. in. area
Copyright 1947
 
The Cleveland Condor looks to me like it was inspired by the German Condors  
designed by Edgar Dittmar, 1932-1938.  The book  Sailplanes  1920-1945 by 
Martin Simons  said that Dittmar tried to incorporate the best features of the 
Wien and Fafnir  sailplanes.  The Cleveland Condor has the rudder LE going  
straight up, unlike the German Condors that have the rudder LE angled  back.  
The 
Cleveland Condor has a fixed wheel while the German Condor HD-1,  Condor 2A, 
and Condor 3 all have landing skids. 
 
The model has a highwing with gull wing dihedral.  The gull  wing break is at 
the mid span, 18 in.  The wing has a 5 in. chord for the  first 18 in, and 
then it tapers.  The wing has 5 spars in addition to the  LE and TE.
 
The fuselage is built one half at a time.  The formers have 12  stringers on  
each side.  The fuse is 29.5 in. long including the  rudder.  
 
I can remember an advertisement in one of the model magazines years ago  that 
said all of the Cleveland plans were available.  You could try a  Google 
search for them.  My set of plans has a note under the title block  that says 
something like "infringements, Copying, Tracing Or  Duplicating All Or Parts Or 
---" 
 
Most of the gull wing free flight models that I have built or seen did  not 
have enough spiral stability as a FF model.  A turn tends to tighten up  into a 
spiral dive.  The present lightweight RC systems can solve that  problem.
 
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[RCSE] FOR SALE Schulze Chamaleon Charger

[Jim Porter]

If you're sad you missed this one, I have one of these NIB for the same price, 
same pay method.

regards,

email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jim Porter
Johnston Iowa USA

"The airplane stays up because it doesn't have the time to fall."
 Orville Wright




  SOLD SOLD SOLD You snooze you lose somebody got a bad ass charger...(-:

  Chamaleon Charger


Ok Boys this is a bad to the bone little charger ( not a benchmark BUT 
Close) charges everything and software upgradeable to always be current.

Schulze Chamaleon isl 6-330d almost new condition $165 plus $10 shipping 
PayPal please

[RCSE] Looking for RTF or NIB Pike Perfect and/or Aspire glider... let me know what you have...

[Flying High]

K, looking for a new potential contest plane for next
season or just to see what these models have to offer.

Please provide pictures, preferred colors are Yellow &
black or blue bottoms...

Thanks
Edgar Vera
"The Soaring Junkie"


  

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[RCSE] Re: Bang for buck, NO WAY: Benchmarks- Get Real, cont.

[MSu1049321]

In a message dated 12/3/07 12:56:54 PM, Soaring@airage.com writes:


> RE: [RCSE] DLGs = Bang for the Buck, NO WAY; Benchmarks- Get
>   Real.
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> That is about how long it takes me to get my 132 inch span RES model
> ready to fly after I get to  the field. The model fits in my van
> ready to fly except that the outer wing panels have to be plugged in
> and taped on.  The model was designed with a 3 piece wing with a 48
> inch center wing that will fit in my van when bolted to the fuselage.
> If someone has a winch set up, it takes me longer that that  to get
> from my van to the winch.  If Brian Smith is there, he often has my
> model assembled by the time I get out of the van.  :)
> 
> Chuck
> 
Chuck, add the price of the van required to haul the plane, add the price of 
the winch or at least a histart and the time to lay it out   or set it up plus 
retrieve it and put it away.

When I first went to electrics in an all-gas club, one of the things I loved 
about it was the rest of the guys had to sit there after flights with squirt 
bottles of soap and baby diapers or paper towels, cleaning all the goo off 
their planes before they could even put them in the trunk. Me, I'd turn off the 
TX 
and RX, pop the wing off, toss them in the trunk of my compact car and head 
out the gate, whistling.   The DLG guys have the same freedom plus more 
possible   (smaller) sites to fly from. 

DGMW: I like the big planes. I am working on one myself. But I also have a 
cheap Boomer flying wing DLG that cost me under a hundred all-up, and it can go 
anywhere, anytime.

Mark S.





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RE: [RCSE] DLGs = Bang for the Buck, NO WAY; Benchmarks- Get Real.

[Chuck Anderson]

That is about how long it takes me to get my 132 inch span RES model 
ready to fly after I get to  the field. The model fits in my van 
ready to fly except that the outer wing panels have to be plugged in 
and taped on.  The model was designed with a 3 piece wing with a 48 
inch center wing that will fit in my van when bolted to the fuselage. 
If someone has a winch set up, it takes me longer that that  to get 
from my van to the winch.  If Brian Smith is there, he often has my 
model assembled by the time I get out of the van.  :)


Chuck

At 01:29 AM 12/3/2007, you wrote:
Everybody has good points but listen to this. I place my 2 or 3 
DLG's in the back of my minivan, assembled and ready to fly. The one 
I want to fly first is charging as I drive to the field. I get to 
the field, put my card on the board and am flying 180 seconds later.



Admitedly, sometimes there is very little low level lift, but other than that,

Beat that!


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Re: [RCSE] Looking for Information on Trophies for Flying contests

[clarence]

Russ might have time now that he is no longer the President of The 
Intermountain Silent Fliers.

Clarence

Joe Nave wrote:


How about those cool Thermal Wizard trophies that Russ Young 
hand-carves? They are really nice and you can opt to mount them on an 
acrylic plate, plaque or other suitable base…


See picture of one below:

http://www.seattleareasoaringsociety.com/contests/Contest_Notices/TDContests/DennisOtter-2005.htm

Joe

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Anyone out there know of some trophies that work well for Thermal 
Duration flying? I have all the usual stuff, but the club up here in 
Seattle is looking for something a little different than the usual cup 
or slab of wood. If you have any ideas or contacts, please let me know.


Thanks in Advance

Sherman L Knight
Team JR
425-576-4028 wk pacific std time

425-576-8777 direct
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[RCSE] Soprano????

[rlbpilotfly]

Anyone cleaning out their closet and want to sell their Soprano??.. 
Reece

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Re: [RCSE] DLGs = Bang ,etc = cost per hour.

[Lincoln Ross]

10 or 15 years ago, had an Oly 2 foisted off on me (I didn't actually bid, it 
was a joke) for $25. I estimate 100 hours or more. Negelecting wear and tear on 
very cheap radio, new batteries, etc. that's 10 cents per hour.

BTW, I think 100" is a neglected blend of practical, relatively inexpensive 
size, visibility, and performance.

DLG's are expensive because we feel we need that last little bit of performance. As 
Americans, I think we tend to feel we need all the bells and whistles. (My apologies to 
those of you from other countries.) If I am at the store, I can't seem to find the 
shampoo I prefer which is labeled, simply, "normal". (I don't like smelling 
like a scented candle factory.) I am reasonably sure that one could get reasonable 
performance out of a polyhedral DLG bagged with Kraft paper (of a suitable weight) over 
foam, a mostly wooden fuselage, and balsa tail surfaces. It would still need a bit of 
carbon, of course. Maybe I'll  make one sometime. Particularly if I become independently 
wealthy so I have time. :-p But seriously, I think for a professional guy, the cost of a 
DLG is no big deal. At least when he's between layoffs.

My hobby choices are very different depending on whether time or money is the 
scarce resource.

I predict that if we got rid of all TV's, we'd see a resurgence of scratch building. 
Ditto if no one was allowed to "work" more than 40 hours. (I am not suggesting 
the latter.)
TJB wrote:


How about cost per hour?  snip

I'd like to hear from some others on this way of looking at things.



T





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[RCSE] Fwd: Coming to Maui

[AJ Bhatta]

I think this message was intended for Al Battad?
AJ
BSS, Lexington

Note: forwarded message attached.
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Al:

I used to fly PoliPoli when I lived in Maui.  Where to folks fly now
adays?  Arriving on the Tuesday and would like to see if I recognize
any old faces.

Steve

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[RCSE] Fw: 3m gnome kit - Kit (ID: 346351)

[Brian Smith]

Sorry if this comes up twice.  Seems my posts have been slowed or blocked 
ever since I said nice things about Gordy.. ;o)Brian
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>
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Re: [RCSE] Looking for Information on Trophies for Flying contests

[TJB]

http://www.adesigner.com/brass/troph.jpg
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Re: [RCSE] Looking for Information on Trophies for Flying contests

[TJB]

http://www.adesigner.com/brass/troph.jpg

I got the glass eagles for $8 and the ceramic ones for $9 at Wal-Mart.   Made 
some walnut blocks and mounted the ceramic eagles with silicone.  Mounted the 
glass ones to the plaques.
I asked for donations of old plaques from people who had boxes of them.  Took 
off the faces or just covered them up with new info printed on wood veneer or 
aluminum sheet.
You can also print color pictures and mount them to the old plaques.
Tom
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  Subject: [RCSE] Looking for Information on Trophies for Flying contests



  Anyone out there know of some trophies that work well for Thermal Duration 
flying?  I have all the usual stuff, but the club up here in Seattle is looking 
for something a little different than the usual cup or slab of wood.  If you 
have any ideas or contacts, please let me know.

  Thanks in Advance 

  Sherman L Knight
  Team JR
  425-576-4028 wk pacific std time
  425-576-8777 direct
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]





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