[RCSE] f3b Tomahawk for sale

[Dave Hauch]

Hi,
All info here.

Thx,
Dave Hauch
www.rc-builds.com

[RCSE] F3b winch?

[David Klein]

Does anyone have a used F3b winch for sale?  I just bought a new one, and so
did a buddy, but he wants a cheap second.  Anyone have one for sale.

Thanks,
David

-- 
David Klein
Graduate Research Student
Department of Structural Engineering
Jacobs School of Engineering
University of California San Diego

[RCSE] F3b in the Cal Valley

[David Klein]

F3b and Soaring Fans,

Some of us F3b guys are getting together at a fantastic soaring site in
central California, Cal Valley on April 26th and 27th..  This is another one
of our F3b competitions aimed at introducing F3b to new pilots.  There is no
better way to really learn all aspects of soaring than though F3b.  And who
better to learn it from than some of the very best pilots in the country.
Most that have attended our previous events have never seen F3b before, and
came away raving.  Most comment that they learned more in an afternoon than
in the past 2 years.  F3b tasks force you to think about good technique and
mechanics that are not usually stressed.  So whether you are a TD pilot,
Slope racer, fun flier, or super competative F3J guy, come out and give this
a go.  If you have an airplane with a hook on it, you can do this.

The Cal Valley site is located on private land, where the owner operates a
hotel.  We are renting rooms, and planning to have cookouts together.  This
will make for some awesome glider guy bonding.  So bring a plane, food,
really good boose, and perhaps some cigars.  We will have some fun.  I
really look forward to meeting some new faces.

For more information please refer to our RCGroups thread at
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818610 . Chime in so we can
cooperate on food planing, and carpools.

Most of our pilots are not RCGroups regulars, so I expect about 15 pilots to
attend.

See You Guys there,
David Klein



-- 
David Klein
Graduate Research Student
Department of Structural Engineering
Jacobs School of Engineering
University of California San Diego

[RCSE] F3b winch FS

[David Klein]

Hello guys,
As I have become more focussed on F3b, I have purchased a new, more
blinged-out winch and a bunch of new mono filament line. In oder to
suplament this addictive habit, I have to sell my current F3b winch. With
all of the current interest in F3b, the used winch market has become scarce,
so don't think about this one too long. I expect it to go fast.

I bought this winch and turnaround from Aaron Valdes around January of 2007.
I have used it for a little more than a year. It functions perfectly. It
includes, the winch, a pedal, a hand switch to be used in stead of the
pedal, the turnaround, an F3b parachute, and whatever line is currently on
the winch. If you are interested in seeing it in person, I will be using it
this weekend at the Torrey Pines Gulls TD field in Poway, Ca. I will also be
using it at the upcoming F3b competition in the Cal Valley. I prefer a local
California pickup, as I can get it to most people in CA without shipping.
But I will consider shipping it at the expense of the buyer.

So I am asking $750 for the complete package, plus any shipping costs.  To
put that into perspective, I am paying $2115.00 for my new gear from Europe.

Here is a link to the sale on RCGroups.com, lots of pictures

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=850173#post9570106

Thank You,
David Klein


-- 
David Klein
Graduate Research Student
Department of Structural Engineering
Jacobs School of Engineering
University of California San Diego

Re: [RCSE] F3B field sound/light system picture

[Wwing]

 
In a message dated 03/25/2008 3:13:12 AM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

SOARING COMMUNITY
Im looking for pictures of the F3B system you use and set up at the field 
that will display the pilot flying letter / number,corresponding  lights and  
also contains the bell, buzzer,whistle sound system.Im also looking for 
pictures of the cabinet for storing and field use.
Please send whatever picture you have even if your system doesnt include 
working time clock and visual lap counter.
 
Or please give me an email for someone here or in Europe who might be able to 
help me.Thanks Richard M. Burnoski
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Rich,
 
   Go here and check out these photos of the 2005 F3B Champsionships in 
Lappenranta. I think there are several of the equipment you're interested in...
 
_http://home.cyber.ee/arne/f3b-album/_ (http://home.cyber.ee/arne/f3b-album/) 
 
 
Bill Wingstedt



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[RCSE] F3B field sound/light system picture

[Richard Burnoski]

SOARING COMMUNITY
Im looking for pictures of the F3B system you use and set up at the field that 
will display the pilot flying letter / number,corresponding  lights and  also 
contains the bell, buzzer,whistle sound system.Im also looking for pictures 
of the cabinet for storing and field use.
Please send whatever picture you have even if your system doesnt include 
working time clock and visual lap counter.

Or please give me an email for someone here or in Europe who might be able to 
help me.Thanks Richard M. Burnoski

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] F3b at the NATS

[Richard Burnoski]

Im planning on f3b at the NATS. Team S.O.A.R.:  Ben 
Roberto, Franklin Burnoski and Richard Burnoski

Important point to ponder:
  Remember guys, about the NATS attendance, Each EVENT needs to have a good 
attendance in order to show AMA that this is a viable event and we need to 
support IT at the NATS.  AMA is always looking for ways to streamline cost!
   So guys on the fence,,, jump on over to the greener side  
District 6 Rep. Richard Burnoski
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Klein 
  To: RCSE (E-mail) 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:37 AM
  Subject: [RCSE] F3b at the NATS


  Who is going for F3b?  I am on the fence, how about all of you?

  -- 
  David Klein
  Graduate Research Student
  Department of Structural Engineering 
  Jacobs School of Engineering
  University of California San Diego

[RCSE] F3b at the NATS

[David Klein]

Who is going for F3b?  I am on the fence, how about all of you?

-- 
David Klein
Graduate Research Student
Department of Structural Engineering
Jacobs School of Engineering
University of California San Diego

Re: [RCSE] F3B winches??? Appropriate for TD purposes?

[Bill's Email]

Daryl does make an excellent point that a detuned TD winch with a narrow 
spool & braided line, might cause some issues with heavier stronger planes.



Isn't that the objective?? Keep lines from breaking and strong planes 
from launching high.


In the end what I know is that no matter what you do to the winches the 
same guys are still going to win. The sad and hurtful truth is that they 
are just better pilots than the rest of us.


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Re: [RCSE] F3B winches??? Appropriate for TD purposes?

[Jon Stone]

OTOH...

I would say "real" F3B winches are quite good for TD, especially for 
woody planes, if .. (BIG IF) the pilot does not load up a lot of 
tension on the line.  We've found my F3B winch a perfect for launching 
Oly 2's in my club, as the power is low and the line is stretchy.


Daryl does make an excellent point that a detuned TD winch with a narrow 
spool & braided line, might cause some issues with heavier stronger planes.



Daryl Perkins wrote:

On the subject of resisting down to F3B "strength":

  

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RE: [RCSE] F3B winches??? Appropriate for TD purposes?

[Daryl Perkins]

On the subject of resisting down to F3B "strength":

I understand the argument and rationale. But This is a problem. F3B
winches are very well built and designed. They are very efficient. The
motors selected for use are already very close to the resisted number.
We play all kinds of games with drum size to keep the motor/drum
turning. If it weren't for the mono, we'd get virtually no launch at
all. 

The typical club winch with all kinds of slop in the drum, and about 4
miles of braided nylon (creating about a 6 inch drum, and a very short
drum making the line buildup quickly, the line pulling up on the draggy
fan belt style brake, and a retriever dragging the whole thing down...
resisted all the way down to F3B resistance Well...can you say
stalled winch?

Again - I understand the rationale, and it is very logical. But not
practical. I think you'll find that some testing is in order to figure
out what the resistance numbers should be for a typical club winch
configuration. 

I do hope that the SWC guys took this into account. 



Darylperkins.com LLC.
1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B
Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403

www.darylperkins.com








>  Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3B winches???
> From: Jon Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, December 22, 2007 8:21 am
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Soaring@airage.com
> This link should be helpful
> http://www.google.com/search?q=f3b+winch
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > During the discussion about limiting winch strength and reducing line 
> > breaks there have been several references to F3B winches. 
> >  
> > I am not familiar with F3B flying or the winch specs.  Can someone 
> > explain F3B or point me to a site where I can read about it? 
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Ed Anderson
> >
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Re: [RCSE] F3B winches???

[Jon Stone]

This link should be helpful

http://www.google.com/search?q=f3b+winch

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
During the discussion about limiting winch strength and reducing line 
breaks there have been several references to F3B winches. 
 
I am not familiar with F3B flying or the winch specs.  Can someone 
explain F3B or point me to a site where I can read about it? 


Best Regards,
Ed Anderson


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[RCSE] F3B winches???

[aeajr]

During the discussion about limiting winch strength and reducing line breaks 
there have been several references to F3B winches.  
 
I am not familiar with F3B flying or the winch specs.  Can someone explain F3B 
or point me to a site where I can read about it? 

Best Regards, 
Ed Anderson

[RCSE] f3B TEAM SELECTIONS another thank you

[Jeff Steifel]

Thanks to Larry Ruble who also showed up and helped.
..
Just starting to remember things...

--
Jeff Steifel

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[RCSE] F3b Team selection success 2007

[RBurnoski]

I think a big thanks is due to Dave Corven for 
starting up the whole 2007 team selection process.    Not 
much  organizing was happening when it should have been, specifically, when 
, where and who was running the event!    I think Dave actually 
did the AMA communications and secured the sanction papers.   He did 
not make it to the event because of recent health 
issues. Get 
better!!
 
Special guy note: Ive been in soaring my whole 
life.  The Soaring we love to do  competition wise,  takes very 
non-selfish people to put on events.  We were short handed a bit at the 
team select so the guys that came out had to work even harder and wear more 
hats than they thought they were going to. The pilots at this event all 
recognize your hard work and devotion toward soaring!  Thanks from 
me!!!During the event we have our game faces on,,, its very difficult to 
thank you in timely fashion, so I hope this reaches you.
 
 Thanks .,   Jack, Hutch,Robin, Marc, Joe, Dave Hauch, 
guys from the local soaring club, and the wives and or girl friends of the 
soaring pilots who chipped in to time and base call.
 
Thanks to Joe Wurts who chose not to come, but helped Jack organize the 
whole event thru  many communications.
 
A big thanks to Mike Lachowski who has provided the FAI soaring community 
with a great timer/sound system.   And if that is  not enough, 
helps set it up at the field , and if that is not enough,,, trouble shoots 
during the event and if thats not enough,, covers the equipment  with 
plastic several times when it rains.  He's at these events  to fly but 
has unselfishly contributed his efforts toward making the events better for 
everyone.  Thanks Mike!
 
Great USA team , Tom, Aron, Mike,,  selected ! Youll do well in 
2007
 
Richard 
Burnoski   
Bolingbrook, Illinois
 
 
 
 

[RCSE] F3b Team Select fri.

[davidhauch]

i called Jeff Stiefel at Muncie tonite.

he said that Tom Keisling (Tragi 702) and Aron Valdes (Europhia-v)
ran some 14 second speed runs today, thats smok'n !

i'm heading down there Sat. i'll call someone Sat nite and get them
to post a report to RCSE that i will give them.

Dave Hauch
www.git-r-built.com
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[RCSE] F3B Team Select

[Jack Iafret]

There have been no block of rooms reserved this year so those attending 
are on their own to get a room.


In the past, the Fairfield inn has been the common place to stay.

Jack Iafret

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[RCSE] F3B Team Selections

[mrmaserati]

To all interested F3B pilots and of course other interested R/C pilots.

AMA has finally approved the August 23rd thru the 27th for F3B Team Select to 
be flown at AMA Headquarters,  Muncie, IN.

Within a few days AMA will publish entry requirements to all who have 
participated in the last two cycles. Anyone who has not been in the last two 
cycles May call Lisa Johnson at AMA, 1-765-287-1256, or e-mail [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] to obtain this info.

Likewise I will soon publish the adgenda and other pertainent information 
required to assist those of you interested participating.

Also anyone that can volunteer to help on site, please contact me directly. I 
have two, possibly three individules who can help but we need more. 

Regards, Dave Corven
   AMA 878, LSF 254 and current AMA Leader Member.
   248-512-8682 days, 586-781-2865 home, 248-515-2153 cell.
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[RCSE] F3B Team Selection

[mrmaserati]

To all interested parties:

I am planning this years F3B Team Selection Event for Aug 23rd through Aug 
27th, 2006. Please understand that these dates are tentative as final approval 
of the sanction application is not complete but should be finalized on or 
before the end of May.

If every thing goes as planned, the Team Selection will be held on the above 
mentioned dates at the AMA Headquarters Site, Muncie, Indiana.

August 23rd and the 24th will be used for practice and winches will be checked 
on the 24th only. August 25th, 26th and 27th are the actual event days.

The purpose of this notice is to allow potential entrants to start thinking 
about their vacation and travel time arrangements. Please contact me by e-mail 
or phone (248-515-2153) cell, with your primary and backup frequency 
capabilities. Also will you require rental winch batteries and how many.

Also we will be looking for a group of dedicated volunteers to work on the site 
for a minimum of the three contest days and some to help out on the second 
practice day. These are most important people as without them the event becomes 
very difficult to manage. 

Please contact me if you think you can support our team select process in any 
way, shape or form.

More information will be posted on this forum as it becomes available.  

Regards, Dave Corven. AMA 878, LSF 254.
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Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)

[Marta Zavala]

You are right, MOM can certainly be rough on planes, as such expensive, and 
yes, speaking from experience when I used to race Olson 30s way back when, 
RC slope racing cost is just a drop in the bucket compared to boat racing. 
Just pumping the ISR at Davenport in two weeks.  If one can make it out to 
watch you should, very exciting for spectators as well.

Walter
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Neverdosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)


That is just a different degree of racing.

In AMA TD there is a perfect score. Make your time exactly and a 100
point landing and no one can post a better score.
Even in F3J a perfect might be a zero second (say 1 second) launch and
land on the buzzer. There is a measure of racing up the line but very
little room for change or improvement, and still the max score is
limited by the working time.

In F3B speed you might fly 16 seconds but someone who flys 15.9 beats
you. If someone flys 15.7 then they beat the guy who beat you.

There is no 'max' score, you must always be pushing to the limits of
the conditions, your plane and skills.
If you don't crash now and then you are probably not pushing enough.

Unfortunately, a crash in F3B speed is usually very bad on the plane.
Of course, a midair in MOM slope racing is also pretty rough on the planes. 
:)


I love MOM slope racing because of the heads up scramble for the line.
I think it is more fun and exciting than F3F or F3B but it also tends
to be more expensive because of the carnage when things go wrong.

Heck, all of these are cheap compared to ocean racing sailboats but I
don't do that anymore either.

michael

On 5/7/06, Marta Zavala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

- "F3B is RACING!"-

F3B isnt racing.  Real racing is the Unlimited MOM like the ISR event at
Davenport in two weeks.  Flying head to head in 30MPH winds at 11lbs, 
thats

real racing!
Walter
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Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)

[Michael Neverdosky]

That is just a different degree of racing.

In AMA TD there is a perfect score. Make your time exactly and a 100
point landing and no one can post a better score.
Even in F3J a perfect might be a zero second (say 1 second) launch and
land on the buzzer. There is a measure of racing up the line but very
little room for change or improvement, and still the max score is
limited by the working time.

In F3B speed you might fly 16 seconds but someone who flys 15.9 beats
you. If someone flys 15.7 then they beat the guy who beat you.

There is no 'max' score, you must always be pushing to the limits of
the conditions, your plane and skills.
If you don't crash now and then you are probably not pushing enough.

Unfortunately, a crash in F3B speed is usually very bad on the plane.
Of course, a midair in MOM slope racing is also pretty rough on the planes.  :)

I love MOM slope racing because of the heads up scramble for the line.
I think it is more fun and exciting than F3F or F3B but it also tends
to be more expensive because of the carnage when things go wrong.

Heck, all of these are cheap compared to ocean racing sailboats but I
don't do that anymore either.

michael

On 5/7/06, Marta Zavala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

- "F3B is RACING!"-

F3B isnt racing.  Real racing is the Unlimited MOM like the ISR event at
Davenport in two weeks.  Flying head to head in 30MPH winds at 11lbs, thats
real racing!
Walter

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Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)

[Marta Zavala]

- "F3B is RACING!"-

F3B isnt racing.  Real racing is the Unlimited MOM like the ISR event at 
Davenport in two weeks.  Flying head to head in 30MPH winds at 11lbs, thats 
real racing!

Walter
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Neverdosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)


I have to both agree and disagree with David on this.
To FLY f3b and learn more, push your skills and have lots of fun does
not require much in terms of equipment or people and really not any
more money than a good effort in f3j or USA TD.

The key comes in if you want to compete at a world class level and win.

F3B is RACING!
The speed task is real racing where you are either pushing the limits
and on the edge or you are not in the competition.
Distance, now that there is no limit is like class racing. Not so on
the edge but still pushing hard and working the equipment and air to,
or near the limits.
Duration keeps the planes and pilots honest by making them thermal and
stay up. This keeps the planes and pilots more skilled in various ways
that make a more rounded package.

Anybody here watch a NASCAR race?
The driver is at the wheel when the car crosses the line but it is the
Owner, Driver, Crew Chief, Pit Crew, Mechanics, Builders, Sponsers and
others who work to get him there.
A failure anywhere in the team will result in a poor finish if the car
even gets into the race in the first place.

Of course the money isn't in RC to support this kind of effort so it
doesn't happen unless someone does it out of pocket.

Anybody know any pilots who might like to join a team where the team
provides the winches, planes, radios, sighting and timing equipment
and mechanics and helpers and all the pilot has to do is FLY?

Imagine being able to drop over to the field after work and practice
for an hour with top equipment and full sighting/timing on all flights
and no time wasted on setup and teardown?
How about having planes and radios so that even if you destroy your
primary model the night before a contest you still go into the contest
with a full quiver of new, perfectly trimmed, top notch planes.
Think of flying a contest where your team is as smooth and skilled as
a NASCAR pit crew.

Oh well, gotta dream sometimes.  :)

Ever notice how much faster you learn something if you do it once a
week vice once a month?
How about twice a week? This is better split up as weekend and mid
week than both on the weekend.

Even the pilots who fly F3B are rarely flying it more than a few times
a year (in the USA), what if they could fly fully measured and timed
tasks 10 or 100 times as often?

michael

On 5/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I guess maybe my point is, f3b seems to give the feeling you need lots of
people, spend a ton on equipment and you need specialty planes,
which you're going to end up breaking.
At least that's what i always perceived.
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Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)

[Michael Neverdosky]

I have to both agree and disagree with David on this.
To FLY f3b and learn more, push your skills and have lots of fun does
not require much in terms of equipment or people and really not any
more money than a good effort in f3j or USA TD.

The key comes in if you want to compete at a world class level and win.

F3B is RACING!
The speed task is real racing where you are either pushing the limits
and on the edge or you are not in the competition.
Distance, now that there is no limit is like class racing. Not so on
the edge but still pushing hard and working the equipment and air to,
or near the limits.
Duration keeps the planes and pilots honest by making them thermal and
stay up. This keeps the planes and pilots more skilled in various ways
that make a more rounded package.

Anybody here watch a NASCAR race?
The driver is at the wheel when the car crosses the line but it is the
Owner, Driver, Crew Chief, Pit Crew, Mechanics, Builders, Sponsers and
others who work to get him there.
A failure anywhere in the team will result in a poor finish if the car
even gets into the race in the first place.

Of course the money isn't in RC to support this kind of effort so it
doesn't happen unless someone does it out of pocket.

Anybody know any pilots who might like to join a team where the team
provides the winches, planes, radios, sighting and timing equipment
and mechanics and helpers and all the pilot has to do is FLY?

Imagine being able to drop over to the field after work and practice
for an hour with top equipment and full sighting/timing on all flights
and no time wasted on setup and teardown?
How about having planes and radios so that even if you destroy your
primary model the night before a contest you still go into the contest
with a full quiver of new, perfectly trimmed, top notch planes.
Think of flying a contest where your team is as smooth and skilled as
a NASCAR pit crew.

Oh well, gotta dream sometimes.  :)

Ever notice how much faster you learn something if you do it once a
week vice once a month?
How about twice a week? This is better split up as weekend and mid
week than both on the weekend.

Even the pilots who fly F3B are rarely flying it more than a few times
a year (in the USA), what if they could fly fully measured and timed
tasks 10 or 100 times as often?

michael

On 5/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I guess maybe my point is, f3b seems to give the feeling you need lots of
people, spend a ton on equipment and you need specialty planes,
which you're going to end up breaking.
At least that's what i always perceived.

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Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)

[Bill's Email]

Most TD pilots always have a team.  


This is so true and it is vital to understanding our sport.

The first thing to know is that when you make your time, especially in 
difficult air, it is 100% the PILOT. Anytime you miss your time, or even 
a landing, it is undoubtedly the fault of your timer.


Perfect case in point. At the Fresno Classic I timed for Daryl Perkins 
the last two rounds.  The air was rotten to say the least. Daryl of 
course easily made his time while others were losing altitude on launch. 
BUT, he got his 2 worst landings while I was timing for him. A 10 and a 
ZERO!! Now there is no way this could have been his fault, and as his 
timer I took full responsibility. Like a good timer should.


So you see, it really is all about team work!!

WEM

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Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)

[Chuck Anderson]

At 11:08 AM 5/7/2006, you wrote:
Most TD pilots always have a team.  Ever notice how many guys always 
have the same timers/callers.  That's because you've worked together 
and know what the other guy wants and needs.  Nothing is more 
distracting than having your timer argue with you that you should be 
counting down on landing approach if you happened to like actual flight times.


Contest flying is a team sport.  I never had much success at contests 
except when I had a regular partner.  Anyone can time but only a 
partner I fly with regularly can really communicate.  A partner knows 
what information I need, how I  like the countdown,  and when to shut up.


It is difficult to have a team when flying Man-on-Man unless your 
partner is not entered in the contest.  That's one of the reasons I 
don't like Man-on-Man.


Chuck Anderson 
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Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)

[davidhauch]

Yeap, that make good sense Mike, and i agree.

I guess maybe my point is, f3b seems to give the feeling you need lots of
people, spend a ton on equipment and you need specialty planes,
which you're going to end up breaking.
At least that's what i always perceived.

And thats not true, i fly it by myself all the time, and may never compete.
there is so much there to challenge me and thats what i love about.
It's the perfect task for me or a pilot to fly by yourself.

really didn't spend that much for the equiptment, which will last me 
forever,

and used the same plane all year, and it still looks like new.

plus i never have to dork in a landing to get good.  :-)

dh

That's up to you to choose how to fly and how much input your team 
provides.  Yes, we all use input from our team members, but we're still 
the pilot in command of the aircraft and have the ultimate decision on 
what to do.


Most TD pilots always have a team.  Ever notice how many guys always have 
the same timers/callers.  That's because you've worked together and know 
what the other guy wants and needs.  Nothing is more distracting than 
having your timer argue with you that you should be counting down on 
landing approach if you happened to like actual flight times.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

i have to disagree with all you f3b guys about doing it as a team.

i fully understand and agree that you will probably place higher with a 
good team.

and if your trying to get on the USA team, its essential.
so you don't have to tell me all the advantages, I KNOW!

but there's one thing i can't stand, is someone else telling me which way 
to turn,

or how to fly my airplane.

I'll live and die by my own decisions, thats what makes the challenge for 
me,

and keeps me going back to the field.

Dave Hauch
www.git-r-built.com

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Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)

[Michael Lachowski]

That's up to you to choose how to fly and how much input your team 
provides.  Yes, we all use input from our team members, but we're still 
the pilot in command of the aircraft and have the ultimate decision on 
what to do.


Most TD pilots always have a team.  Ever notice how many guys always 
have the same timers/callers.  That's because you've worked together and 
know what the other guy wants and needs.  Nothing is more distracting 
than having your timer argue with you that you should be counting down 
on landing approach if you happened to like actual flight times.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

i have to disagree with all you f3b guys about doing it as a team.

i fully understand and agree that you will probably place higher with a 
good team.

and if your trying to get on the USA team, its essential.
so you don't have to tell me all the advantages, I KNOW!

but there's one thing i can't stand, is someone else telling me which 
way to turn,

or how to fly my airplane.

I'll live and die by my own decisions, thats what makes the challenge 
for me,

and keeps me going back to the field.

Dave Hauch
www.git-r-built.com


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Re: [RCSE] F3B

[Jack Iafret]

OK Harry, here is your chance to learn the path to glory or maybe just to learn a little.I am going to be the CD of the team select at Muncie this year (only so Dave can fly) and will be doing the timing chore and overall good observer. This is my second time and it has been a prevliage.
If you really want to learn about F3B, go to the NATS and watch and then volunteer for the team select as I did to help the good guys out. The learning experience is fantastic and it is one of the few things I can do to help our team compete for the "Worlds".
I feel that I am too old and tired to practice enough to even try to fly this fantastic event but I know you and you are not. The first step is really paying attention and watching the perfect turns in speed- no bobbles, no dives, no climbs, no zizgs, no zags. It is like watching a perfect 10 in any sporting event. Few do it and we are taking about the best in the world.
The guys are fantastic to work with as there is never enough help and the world champs even pitch in to do chores that no F1 driver would consider (maybe Michael is the exception).I will be glad to be whatever help I can (vey limited because I am not a competitor) but understand it will take a committment on your part to travel, to team up with the few other guys east of the Mississippi and maybe not even fly for a year to understand the committment.
 Call me if you want,JackOn 5/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hey guys I have ,a spare Fisher Plus V-Ultra fuselage and V tail. It is all rigged up with the wing harness and pushrods All is needed is to make a wing for it (wing is RG15)
I have an F3B and F3F fuselage and V tail.. It's a steal$175.00 plus s&h- Original Message -From: Michael Lachowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, May 6, 2006 7:27 amSubject: Re: [RCSE] F3B>>> Harry DeBoer wrote:> >>> > Now that most of the smoke has cleared, where can we find more> out about
> > F3B;>> > 3. how do you get started?> Just like anything else in the hobby. It helps to have some others> around to assist you.  And it helps even more to have a group that> flies
> together. This lets you practice some of the man on man aspects,> plus a> little friendly competition in practice on who is launching> highest,> going fastest, etc never hurt anyone in improving thier model setup.
>> And of course, RCSE doesn't hurt. Obviously there were quite a few> responses. Mostly from guys who really love to fly F3b. There> really is> no way to explain what it is like to fly distance and speed to
> someone> who has only flown TD.  You can be descriptive and say what takes> place,> but until you've flown some good distance groups and done it is> some> good air, you just don't know...
>> > 4. what airplanes qualify?> Almost anything qualifies. Lots of TD models are out there with MH-> 32's,> RG15's, etc. They are good enough to get the feel of the tasks and> to
> learn a lot about flying.  Like models will go up without> circling> You can even fly a Supra in F3b.  And if you go to ancient> history...> you can use a woody.>>
> > 5. about how much dose it cost to compete?> Like anything, as much as you want.  The biggest cost is the> practice> time you need to improve your flying skills.  You can buy a good> model,
> but it doesn't replace the practice required to learn to fly it well.>>> > 6. on average how many people do you need to run a contest?> Most F3b contests get run be the people flying them.   If you read
> the> rules, it looks like a billion officials. But just like our AMA TD> contests, you don't need most of them.  The only big overhead help> item> is getting guys out to base B for the distance flights. Your own
> helpers> at base A can usually keep track of the flight times and count laps.>> There are a few F3b buzzer systems in various places around the> US. Some> of them even take care of all the timekeeping and lap counting.
> The only> thing "official" needed is someone at base A and base B to push> the> appropriate buttons.>> And yes, you can even fly the F3b tasks in a contest all by> yourself. I
> wouldn't recommend it, but it has been done.>>>>>> What you didn't ask is what can you learn from flying F3b.  Of> course,> we all abuse Jeff Steifel, about his flying.   But his overall
> flying> has gotten better since he has been flying F3b.>> If you've never flown on monofilament and a F3b winch, you> probably have> a lot to learn about setting up your model for launch. I have
> several> F3b winches. Great to launch my Bubble Dancer as well as my F3b> models.> Got rid of my FLS decades ago.&

Re: [RCSE] F3B

[drmolina]

Hey guys I have , 
a spare Fisher Plus V-Ultra fuselage and V tail. It is all rigged up with the 
wing harness and pushrods All is needed is to make a wing for it (wing is 
RG15)

I have an F3B and F3F fuselage and V tail.. It's a steal

$175.00 plus s&h
- Original Message -
From: Michael Lachowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, May 6, 2006 7:27 am
Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3B

> 
> 
> Harry DeBoer wrote:
> > 
> 
> > Now that most of the smoke has cleared, where can we find more 
> out about 
> > F3B;
> 
> > 3. how do you get started?
> Just like anything else in the hobby. It helps to have some others 
> around to assist you.  And it helps even more to have a group that 
> flies 
> together. This lets you practice some of the man on man aspects, 
> plus a 
> little friendly competition in practice on who is launching 
> highest, 
> going fastest, etc never hurt anyone in improving thier model setup.
> 
> And of course, RCSE doesn't hurt. Obviously there were quite a few 
> responses. Mostly from guys who really love to fly F3b. There 
> really is 
> no way to explain what it is like to fly distance and speed to 
> someone 
> who has only flown TD.  You can be descriptive and say what takes 
> place, 
> but until you've flown some good distance groups and done it is 
> some 
> good air, you just don't know...
> 
> > 4. what airplanes qualify?
> Almost anything qualifies. Lots of TD models are out there with MH-
> 32's, 
> RG15's, etc. They are good enough to get the feel of the tasks and 
> to 
> learn a lot about flying.  Like models will go up without 
> circling 
> You can even fly a Supra in F3b.  And if you go to ancient 
> history... 
> you can use a woody.
> 
> 
> > 5. about how much dose it cost to compete?
> Like anything, as much as you want.  The biggest cost is the 
> practice 
> time you need to improve your flying skills.  You can buy a good 
> model, 
> but it doesn't replace the practice required to learn to fly it well.
> 
> 
> > 6. on average how many people do you need to run a contest?
> Most F3b contests get run be the people flying them.   If you read 
> the 
> rules, it looks like a billion officials. But just like our AMA TD 
> contests, you don't need most of them.  The only big overhead help 
> item 
> is getting guys out to base B for the distance flights. Your own 
> helpers 
> at base A can usually keep track of the flight times and count laps.
> 
> There are a few F3b buzzer systems in various places around the 
> US. Some 
> of them even take care of all the timekeeping and lap counting. 
> The only 
> thing "official" needed is someone at base A and base B to push 
> the 
> appropriate buttons.
> 
> And yes, you can even fly the F3b tasks in a contest all by 
> yourself. I 
> wouldn't recommend it, but it has been done.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> What you didn't ask is what can you learn from flying F3b.  Of 
> course, 
> we all abuse Jeff Steifel, about his flying.   But his overall 
> flying 
> has gotten better since he has been flying F3b.
> 
> If you've never flown on monofilament and a F3b winch, you 
> probably have 
> a lot to learn about setting up your model for launch. I have 
> several 
> F3b winches. Great to launch my Bubble Dancer as well as my F3b 
> models. 
> Got rid of my FLS decades ago.
> 
> 
> I hope you get a chance to meet up with Dave or someone else in 
> your 
> area to give flying off some F3b winches a try.  And you still 
> have time 
> to change your NATS entry from XC to F3b!
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Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)

[davidhauch]

i have to disagree with all you f3b guys about doing it as a team.

i fully understand and agree that you will probably place higher with a good 
team.

and if your trying to get on the USA team, its essential.
so you don't have to tell me all the advantages, I KNOW!

but there's one thing i can't stand, is someone else telling me which way to 
turn,

or how to fly my airplane.

I'll live and die by my own decisions, thats what makes the challenge for 
me,

and keeps me going back to the field.

Dave Hauch
www.git-r-built.com 


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Re: [RCSE] F3B

[Michael Lachowski]

Harry DeBoer wrote:




Now that most of the smoke has cleared, where can we find more out about 
F3B;



3. how do you get started?
Just like anything else in the hobby. It helps to have some others 
around to assist you.  And it helps even more to have a group that flies 
together. This lets you practice some of the man on man aspects, plus a 
little friendly competition in practice on who is launching highest, 
going fastest, etc never hurt anyone in improving thier model setup.


And of course, RCSE doesn't hurt. Obviously there were quite a few 
responses. Mostly from guys who really love to fly F3b. There really is 
no way to explain what it is like to fly distance and speed to someone 
who has only flown TD.  You can be descriptive and say what takes place, 
but until you've flown some good distance groups and done it is some 
good air, you just don't know...



4. what airplanes qualify?
Almost anything qualifies. Lots of TD models are out there with MH-32's, 
RG15's, etc. They are good enough to get the feel of the tasks and to 
learn a lot about flying.  Like models will go up without circling 
You can even fly a Supra in F3b.  And if you go to ancient history... 
you can use a woody.




5. about how much dose it cost to compete?
Like anything, as much as you want.  The biggest cost is the practice 
time you need to improve your flying skills.  You can buy a good model, 
but it doesn't replace the practice required to learn to fly it well.




6. on average how many people do you need to run a contest?
Most F3b contests get run be the people flying them.   If you read the 
rules, it looks like a billion officials. But just like our AMA TD 
contests, you don't need most of them.  The only big overhead help item 
is getting guys out to base B for the distance flights. Your own helpers 
at base A can usually keep track of the flight times and count laps.


There are a few F3b buzzer systems in various places around the US. Some 
of them even take care of all the timekeeping and lap counting. The only 
thing "official" needed is someone at base A and base B to push the 
appropriate buttons.


And yes, you can even fly the F3b tasks in a contest all by yourself. I 
wouldn't recommend it, but it has been done.






What you didn't ask is what can you learn from flying F3b.  Of course, 
we all abuse Jeff Steifel, about his flying.   But his overall flying 
has gotten better since he has been flying F3b.


If you've never flown on monofilament and a F3b winch, you probably have 
a lot to learn about setting up your model for launch. I have several 
F3b winches. Great to launch my Bubble Dancer as well as my F3b models. 
Got rid of my FLS decades ago.



I hope you get a chance to meet up with Dave or someone else in your 
area to give flying off some F3b winches a try.  And you still have time 
to change your NATS entry from XC to F3b!

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Re: [RCSE] F3B

[Michael Lachowski]

Daryl Perkins wrote:

Jeff writes:

RE: [RCSE] F3B

[Harry DeBoer]

Thanx to everyone who responded, Dave H. let's get together soon 
so you can show me what this is all about. Is there a location between us that 
would work? I may never compete at F3B, but at least I'll understand it 
better.
 
Harry

Re: [RCSE] F3B

[Jeff Steifel]

Hey I resemble that...  :-P 


But get the spelling right 
I've heard that people take dollars from  you so not always

Daryl Perkins wrote:


Jeff writes:
I've made
comments like - 17 second launch... but Steiffel will
go 19... ;-) I'm always on the money...



--
Jeff Steifel

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Re: [RCSE] F3B- For Sale- F3B models and F3b winches

[RBurnoski]

Well said Daryl.

  I  just wanted  to add to the hardware part of the sport...There are 
alot of used  winches and Models laying around from FAI pilots that are 
great buys and are ultra competitive products for F3B especailly  to the new 
to F3b pilot as well as the somewhat seasoned TD pilot .

 I have several near perfect or new in box F3b models for sale prices.
Models:
Calypso Cobra   ( mh-32) $850 new in box
Molded Eagle (rg-15)$650 n.i.b.
Tragi 700  (rg-15)$800.  n.i.b.
Tragi 701  ( mh-32)  $850 brand new flown less than 10 times!
Tragi 702 (rg-15A) $850 in perfect condition, and flown in a couple cycles.
Winches:
I also have 2 identical F3B winches with  pvc clam shells for sale.  One was 
used by the USA team in Isreal.Those winches are 100% ready to go and 
have been tested/past  for resistance. Winches are $490 each or take both 
for $900.


Thanks for the air time,  Please reply personally. 
Richard Burnoski

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- Original Message - 
From: "Daryl Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Harry DeBoer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3B



go here for an explanation of the tasks -
http://www.silentflight.org/F3B/F3BTasks.html

There are lots of ways to get involved in F3B. The
best is finding a group of guys in your area that are
interested in learning and flying. It's very much a
team sport. The initial investment can be a bit high
if you try to purchase all the necessary equipment on
your own. 2-3 winches - 2-3 models etc... If you find
some guy to team up with, you all can share in the
winch and line expenses once you have a winch...
it'll pretty much last forever... figure 1K for a new
winch. (I typically only have 1 flyable F3B model in
my quiver at any time)

F3B is the "Formula 1" of our sport. The challenges
the tasks provide will make every pilot a better
pilot. It'll give you much better understanding of
thermals, their size, optimizing L/D vs sink rate...
you'll learn about ballast, how it really works, and
how to use it... you might even learn to fly a
straight line... something even some of the best
contest TD pilots struggle with...

You don't need an "f3B" model. You can begin to learn
the tasks with a good strong TD model... just make
sure you have ballast capability. The Pike Inferior to
name one. I saw Darrell Zaballos crank out multiple
17's with his J Icon. (I went 28 laps with my Psyko -
a molded 7035 TD toy - one year at the NATS pounding
everyone in my group)

You don't need elaborate sighting devices. 2 tripods
with a hoop on top will suffice, and a way to measure
150 meters.

You don't need alaborate signalling devices. A walkie
talkie with a beeper will suffice for speed practice.

What I enjoy about F3B is that is contested/flown/and
won in the air... it's not about what happens after
the model hits the ground.

F3B is the ultimate challenge for a RC soaring pilot
and glider. You must be competent at all the
disciplines - from reading air, to flying fast, to
slowing the model down and thermalling...

Give it a shot - you'll be glad ya did...

D


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Re: [RCSE] F3B

[Daryl Perkins]

Jeff writes:

Re: [RCSE] F3B

[Bill & Bunny Kuhlman]

The Seattle Area Soaring Society put on a low-key multi-task event in 
2005 which lasted over several months, with primary participation 
taking place during the club's established Wednesday evening 
"fun-flys."


With duration, speed, distance, and landing tasks, this served as a 
gentle introduction to F3B flying. For several club members, this was 
the first time they'd ever flown their gliders in a speed task, or 
attempted to see how far they could travel over a closed course. The 
involvement of the younger club members was quite gratifying.


The club voted to run the "Masters of Soaring" event again in 2006, 
and set aside money to purchase awards.


This year the course is the same length as the FAI course (150m). 
Additionally, the event now allows RC-HLG, and a shorter 50m course 
was laid out for speed and distance tasks for that class.


Several photos from the 2005 event, along with the initial rules, 
were published in the January 2006 issue of RC Soaring Digest 
.


Your club may want to try something similar. It allows pilots to fly 
outside of the standard AMA TD environment, parallels many of the LSF 
tasks, and is both challenging to entrants and exciting for observers.


Further information can be obtained by contacting us at 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or by sending a note to the RCSD e-mail 
address <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.


--
Bill & Bunny Kuhlman
P.O. Box 975
Olalla, WA 98359-0975
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Re: [RCSE] F3B

[davidhauch]

hi,
looks like your getting info on the tasks.
 
there's a miss understanding that you need alot of people to fly f3b.
yes, to run a contest maybe, but if you want to just learn and looking 

for a new challenge you can do it by your self, but two's best.
 
me and my girl friend do it all the time, i better re-phrase that. 
:-)
 
 i have a horn mounted in my winch trailer, we run a wire off a spool 

(which as a button to activate the horn) out to the correct 
distance to base B.
 
we both have a sighting device.
i drop into the course at my end and hit the stop watch on my TX, she 
hits
the button and sounds the horn when i cross Base B.
Works great with just two people. (but still dreaming of that three 
some)  :-)
 

i fly by myself all the time and needed something to challenge me.
f3b was just the ticket.
I got in 384 speed runs last year in just a few months along with the 
doing
the Distance Task, and had a blast and learned a ton.
did it all with a X-21 sailplane, and just a few rolls of mono.
 
i was pretty pumped after my first 16 second speed run with the 
X-21
and running 29 laps in distance with a Tragi 701.
sorta my Level 4.
 
after running the Speed course for awhile with someone at base B.
i did alot of Speed practice runs with no one at base B.
there's still alot to work on you can do buy your self.
 
i can still cut Base B closer then my own Base.
 
no, you don't have to change rolls after a few flights for 
(practice).
I get 100 to 150 launches from a roll.
 
There are so many variables in Distance, would be a blast if i would of had 

some other other pilots to fly it with.  you can do this with most any 
of these 
planes now a days.
 
if you ever want to try it Harry, come on down, i have two f3b winchs, 
tons 
of mono, and a girl at Base B for you.  or call if you want more 
info.
 
Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Harry DeBoer 
  To: Soaring 
  Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:29 AM
  Subject: [RCSE] F3B
  
  OK
   
  Now that most of the smoke has cleared, 
  where can we find more out about F3B;
   
  1. what are the task?
  2. what equipment is 
  needed?(suppliers)
  3. how do you get started?
  4. what airplanes qualify?
  5. about how much dose it cost to 
  compete?
  6. on average how many people do you need 
  to run a contest?
   
  seriously would like to know
   
  Harry

Re: [RCSE] F3B

[Jeff Steifel]

Ok here's the skinny.

Harry DeBoer wrote:


OK
 
Now that most of the smoke has cleared, where can we find more out 
about F3B;
 
1. what are the task?


   F3B is a multi task event. 3 Tasks Distance, speed, duration.
  You are all familiar with duration except... there is only 1 
task (10 minutes no variations).  You can launch multiple times too 
since you are given a working time window. So if the air is really bad 
and it stinks so bad that you feel relaunching will get you more time go 
for it. Also landing is 5 points per meter and no skegs , mass 
launch or wait if you want. You are flying MOM
   Distance: you launch against other pilots. you must ask for 
permission to launch... your working time is 7 minutes and the on course 
time is 4 minutes. In that 4 minutes you have to do as many laps as 
possible. You don't have a landing task so you can land at the far end 
of the field if it will get you another lap. You follow good air and go 
fast in good air, you try to lose as little alt as possible during each 
lap. If you are getting beat by someone with better air you can relaunch 
as long as you have enough working time left to get more laps than you 
have. Once working time ends so does your count. so if you had 2 minutes 
left of 4 and the 7 ran out you only were on course for 2 minutes... but 
that might be better than a total of 4 if the air was reallly good. 
When there is good air this is the most fun part of F3B... its a horse 
race... its a strategy when the air is iffy. You are flying MOM
Speed:Speed is considered the luck factor. You don't fly MOM 
only 1 pilot at a time... so the air can change drastically from 
beginning to end. You have a 2 minute working time and must do 4 legs 
... you enter the course from BASE A  fly to base B back to A , back to 
B then cross the finish line at A as fast as you can. ballast is 
necessary to carry speed and not lose altitude.



2. what equipment is needed?(suppliers)


For F3B winches are needed and a good plane. To start with you don't 
need an F3B winch... you can practice with a TD setup. Same for the 
plane, as you learn you will need to consider a change. F3B uses mono to 
launch and a brake that prevents unspooling of the drum. This lockup of 
the drum allows the line to build tension... This is where launches that 
exceed Ford long shafts are possible. The energy in the mono is 
spectacular. With a TD brake there is no lockup so the line will 
unspool... this isn't allowed in F3B. Also power in an F3B winch is 
reduced  by meeting a certain resistance.
Ballast, mono, a plane capable of ballasting. A plane capable of extreme 
launches... If you already have an F3J ship you will be able to start. 
If you don't have a spar don't use mono.

You will need 2 watches too... And a tripod


3. how do you get started?


Find someone to do it with you. Why first it is a team event. Second it 
makes it easier to learn. One can call turns and tell you when you 
aren't flying straight (to the course).Of course if you have someone who 
already knows it will be easier. If you are interested after reading all 
this send me an  email and I will give you my phone to help you thru 
some of the basics.



4. what airplanes qualify?


The planes are usually F3B planes for strength and speed. But if you 
have an F3J plane you probably can start right away, you might not be 
fast but you will be capable.Again you need a spar if you fly mono. If 
you are just trying it on braided line any plane will teach you the 
basics...



5. about how much dose it cost to compete?


As a team you buy line for the event. So in the area of 25 - 40 / spool 
depending on where you get the line and what line you get. I use new 
line during contests and turn it into practice line after. If it breaks 
it's repairable for practice but at a contest you don't usually have 
time to repair it.



6. on average how many people do you need to run a contest?


That depends, you need 2 at least per team... but let me tell you 2 is 
tough (I know I did it at the last TS and won't do that again)... 4 is 
right, the TS will have 6 man teams you can hold a contest with a 
few 3 man teams if you want... so at minimum probably 12 pilots... for a 
decent contest.


Getting together with people who already know how will remove alot of 
the learning curve. Give it a try... if you have a contest with 
beginners by all means use TD winches to get them flying... just 
separate the mono and braided... braided line saws thru mono real quick.


I hope some of the other F3B'ers will throw stuff out there.

 
seriously would like to know
 
Harry



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Re: [RCSE] F3B

[Daryl Perkins]

go here for an explanation of the tasks -
http://www.silentflight.org/F3B/F3BTasks.html

There are lots of ways to get involved in F3B. The
best is finding a group of guys in your area that are
interested in learning and flying. It's very much a
team sport. The initial investment can be a bit high
if you try to purchase all the necessary equipment on
your own. 2-3 winches - 2-3 models etc... If you find
some guy to team up with, you all can share in the
winch and line expenses once you have a winch...
it'll pretty much last forever... figure 1K for a new
winch. (I typically only have 1 flyable F3B model in
my quiver at any time)

F3B is the "Formula 1" of our sport. The challenges
the tasks provide will make every pilot a better
pilot. It'll give you much better understanding of
thermals, their size, optimizing L/D vs sink rate...
you'll learn about ballast, how it really works, and
how to use it... you might even learn to fly a
straight line... something even some of the best
contest TD pilots struggle with...

You don't need an "f3B" model. You can begin to learn
the tasks with a good strong TD model... just make
sure you have ballast capability. The Pike Inferior to
name one. I saw Darrell Zaballos crank out multiple
17's with his J Icon. (I went 28 laps with my Psyko -
a molded 7035 TD toy - one year at the NATS pounding
everyone in my group) 

You don't need elaborate sighting devices. 2 tripods
with a hoop on top will suffice, and a way to measure
150 meters. 

You don't need alaborate signalling devices. A walkie
talkie with a beeper will suffice for speed practice. 

What I enjoy about F3B is that is contested/flown/and
won in the air... it's not about what happens after
the model hits the ground.

F3B is the ultimate challenge for a RC soaring pilot
and glider. You must be competent at all the
disciplines - from reading air, to flying fast, to
slowing the model down and thermalling...

Give it a shot - you'll be glad ya did...

D


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Re: [RCSE] F3B

[Tom Kallevang]

You can start here:

http://www.silentflight.org/F3B/F3B2005.html




Tom Kallevang
Wheeling, IL
LSF President & Webmaster
LSF #303 Level V #103
AMA L292
SOAR (Chicago)

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Re: [RCSE] F3B

[Bill's Email]

A quick Google search brought up 462,000 hits in 0.62 seconds. That 
ought to get you started!!


Here's a good start:

http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/rcsoaring/



Harry DeBoer wrote:

OK
 
Now that most of the smoke has cleared, where can we find more out about 
F3B;
 
1. what are the task?

2. what equipment is needed?(suppliers)
3. how do you get started?
4. what airplanes qualify?
5. about how much dose it cost to compete?
6. on average how many people do you need to run a contest?
 
seriously would like to know
 
Harry

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[RCSE] F3B

[Harry DeBoer]

OK
 
Now that most of the smoke has cleared, 
where can we find more out about F3B;
 
1. what are the task?
2. what equipment is 
needed?(suppliers)
3. how do you get started?
4. what airplanes qualify?
5. about how much dose it cost to 
compete?
6. on average how many people do you need to 
run a contest?
 
seriously would like to know
 
Harry

[RCSE] F3B NYX FOR SALE

[Steve Schneider]

Plane is complete and ready to go, Less battery and RX.  Weight dry is about 80 oz. and comes with ballast to get close to 100oz.  Servos are JR DS368 digitals all around.  Excellent condition.   $1000.00  Plus actual shipping. 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P331.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P332.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P333.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P334.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P335.jpg 
-- Steve SchneiderBuffalo Grove, ILSOAR Club

[RCSE] F3B NYS FOR SALE

[Steve Schneider]

Plane is complete and ready to go, Less battery and RX.  Weight dry is about 80 oz. and comes with ballast to get close to 100oz.  Servos are JR DS368 digitals all around.  Excellent condition.   $1000.00  Plus actual shipping. 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P331.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P332.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P333.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P334.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P335.jpg 
-- Steve SchneiderBuffalo Grove, ILSOAR Club

[RCSE] F3B NYX FOR SALE

[Steve Schneider]

Plane is complete and ready to go, Less battery and RX.  Weight dry is about 80 oz. and comes with ballast to get close to 100oz.  Servos are JR DS368 digitals all around.  Excellent condition.   $1000.00  Plus actual shipping.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P331.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P332.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P333.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P334.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Sneidley/P335.jpg-- Steve SchneiderBuffalo Grove, ILSOAR Club 

[RCSE] f3b Europhia 2

[davidhauch]

couple of things on this plane I never seen on planes,
they routed the antenna wire from the factory down the fuse
and up and out the fin, just had to solder my RX in, nice!
 
there's a rib next to each servo bay connecting top and bottom skins.
 
stab sits high on fin, whatever they use for a bell crank
it only takes a short servo horn to get long throws.
mine are to long as seen in pics.
 
details and pics;
http://www.git-r-built.com/newsmgr/templates/grbNews.asp?articleid=34&zoneid=1
 
now for the flying;
 

I got in around 15 launch's with mine today, I LOVE IT!!
one word, PRECISE!  it's the most precise plane I've ever flown.
these where first flights too.
 
also response to camber better then any plane I've flown.
 
I pulled a ton of camber, up elevator, and spun it on a wing tip, 
trying to tip stall
it and couldn't.
I can't believe how tight a thermal turn it will make, thought I 
needed
big polyhedral to do this.  :-)
 
launch's, I've never seen a plane zoom this high of my standard
winch, I can't wait to get it on mono, it's going to be crazy.
not a hint of flex anywhere on launch.
 
as far as speed, I never ballast it up, but diving and racing it 
around
empty, it's faster then anything I've flown.
 
this was all with the 7.5 joiner.
 
looks like a hlg in the sky with those flat wings.
also when I got racing around, felt like I was flying my 60'' composite 

Vindicator sloper, it response!
 
Yeah, i like it, alot!
(just thought i would share.)
 
Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com

[RCSE] F3B Team Selections for 2007

[mrmaserati]

OK boys and girls, this is official notice that the cement has been poured and 
we now have a plan for the F3B Team Selection process for the 2007 Worlds.

We will hold the F3B Team Selection at AMA Headquarters, Muncie IN. on August 
23rd thru 27th. 

The official bid will be in AMA's hands shortly as well as the sanction 
application for this very important and prestegious event. 

I have a preliminary agreement with Joyce Hager for the date and the use of the 
6 x 6 site that we always have deemed top notch for soaring in general and 
specifically for F3B. 

 As usual AMA has again demonstrated their unequaled support for the soaring 
community and we all are better for it. 

Also this year the qualifying process will remain in place and therefore those 
who have not flown in the last team select will be required to qualify prior to 
Team Select. I'm thinking the AMA Nats as one place to do so. 

Contact Lisa Johnson at the AMA competition department for all neccesary 
information and forms to enter.

As always I will be looking for volenteer support personel to help at this 
event and you may contact me at this e-mail address or by the included cell 
phone #.

Regards, Dave Corven, 248-515-2153.
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Re: [RCSE] F3B Team Selections 2007

[mrmaserati]

I am trying to get the Muncie site date for TS resoved within a few more days.
Otherwise doing good.
 
Regards, Dave Corven.

 -- Original message --
From: "Skip Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hey Dave,
> 
> Hope all is well. I stock four of the coolest f3b toys, crossfire,german 
> eagle, VICTOR and x21..s when are the team selection finals?are they 
> in muncie.
> 
> hope all is well
> skip
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:04 PM
> Subject: [RCSE] F3B Team Selections 2007
> 
> 
> > Ok gentlemen, it seems there may be some interest in eliminating the 
> > qualifying requirement for F3B team selection. There is, I believe, a 
> > process already in place to resolve this question.
> > The team selection commitee currently lead by Joe Wurts, can as a group, 
> > vote to support this proposal to eliminate the qualifying requirement for 
> > F3B team
> > select and then present this to the AMA competition department with the 
> > request to mail out a ballot allowing all current participants to vote on 
> > this proposal.
> > Now based on the publicty over the latest ballot voting failure this 
> > winter, I
> > feel that the response would be outstanding.
> > Whether the qualification requirement would pass or not is not the main 
> > issue
> > here but getting the team selection comittee off the pot and getting the 
> > job
> > done is the issue.
> > It is very clear to me that if the TSC took a proactive stance supporting 
> > F3B we
> > could have a much healthier program and isn't that what we all want.
> >
> > Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] F3B Team Selections 2007

[mrmaserati]

Ok gentlemen, it seems there may be some interest in eliminating the qualifying 
requirement for F3B team selection. There is, I believe, a process already in 
place to resolve this question.
The team selection commitee currently lead by Joe Wurts, can as a group, vote 
to support this proposal to eliminate the qualifying requirement for F3B team 
select and then present this to the AMA competition department with the request 
to mail out a ballot allowing all current participants to vote on this proposal.
Now based on the publicty over the latest ballot voting failure this winter, I 
feel that the response would be outstanding.
 Whether the qualification requirement would pass or not is not the main issue 
here but getting the team selection comittee off the pot and getting the job 
done is the issue.
It is very clear to me that if the TSC took a proactive stance supporting F3B 
we 
could have a much healthier program and isn't that what we all want.

Regards, Dave Corven.

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[RCSE] F3B Teaming at the Nats

[mrmaserati]

I have sent my F3B entry for the Nats in on ch 29 and am looking for 3 other 
interested parties to team with. 

There may a couple of practice sessions in the Chicago area this spring or 
early summer before the Nats that I plan on attending and any one who is 
interested would be welcome to participate.

Please contact me off line or by phone. 586-781-2865(hm), 248-515-2153(cell).

Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] F3B FOR SALE.

[mrmaserati]

 THIS PRICE REDUCTION WILL EXPIRE WEDNSDAY, FEB,15 AND THE PRICES WILL BE PUT 
BACK TO $1500.00 + SHIPPING.

Relisting with reduced prices !!!

F3B airplanes for sale. This is an F3B team select year and these birds are 
available for immediate sale as a complete package or I will consider breaking 
into two packages only if both are sold at the same time.

Muller Ellipse 4, yellow over blue, excellent condition, volz servos, 1300 mah 
sanyo battery with spare battery, rectangular carbon wing joiner. Add rx and 
fly.
Muller Ellipse 3, yellow over blue, very good condition with minor repair 
required to rh wing tip. Volz servos, 1300 mah sanyo battery with spare pack. 
Repair tip, add rx and fly.

Spares included are: one carbon wing joiner, two "Winch Doctor" steel wing 
joiners (25 oz), one aluminum ballast rod (81/2 oz), one brass ballast rod (24 
oz), one v-tail, yellow over red. excellent condition.

Package priced at $1350.00 + shipping.

 I can deliver within a 100 mile radius of Washington, MI. 

For additional info you can call me at 586-781-2865, home or 248-515-2153, cell.

Regards, Dave Corven.  


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[RCSE] F3B 2006 Nationals

[RBurnoski]

TomPS for soaring content - are we going to have a good crowd for F3B this summer at Muncie?
RE:
Im planning on it.  Did everyone notice we finally can enter as a 4 man team protected and fly F3b for 2 days!.
Heres your chance to fly F3b with team members and share equipment .
F3B is the only pure sailplaning event!    Not for the meek and no picalarios.    Richard

[RCSE] F3B Eagle Wings

[mrmaserati]

I am looking for a pair of F3B Eagle wings. Color or condition of root areas 
not important as I only need the outer 18 or so inches.

I will be out of the country until the 22nd of Dec. and may not be able to 
answer e-mails until then.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] F3B Eagle Wings

[mrmaserati]

I am looking for a set of F3B Eagle wings, one left and and one right. Color is 
not important. Condition of the root areas is also not important as I only need 
the outer 24 to 30 inches.

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[RCSE] F3B Icon for sale

[Jim Porter]

F3B,  65 ounces, bare
 * New in box
 * yellow overall with purple lower surfaces and striped wing tips
 * battery 5 x CP1700
 * Hoopes harness
 * standard ballast set
 
  $1600 plus actual cost of shipping, CONUS only
 
 Satisfaction guaranteed.  You don't like what you get, pay the return
shipping and I'll refund the purchase price of the plane - assuming no
damage.
 
Contact me directly if you're interested.

regards,

Jim Porter
Johnston IA

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[RCSE] F3B pictures

[Arne Ansper]

Hi!

I had never seen a F3B competition before and since the WC was held so 
close I decided that this is a perfect oportunity to see what it is all 
about. I spent there four days (from Tuesday to Friday) and made more than 
1500 pictures. At the end of the second day I learned to use the camera to 
shoot the planes. Tha camera was Konica Minolta Dimage Z5 - not a SLR, but 
quite usable if you are careful. It has 12x optical zoom that brings the 
planes to the shooting range at the last 1/3 of the distance run. It also 
has progressive and continuous shooting modes that are perfect for 
capturing the launches.


The weather was good most of the time - at least for spectators :) Most of 
the time, the wind was blowing perpendicular to the winchlines, so the 
launches were very interesting to watch, with planes turning away right 
after the launch and going sometimes straight over your head at low 
height, full winch power. The competition was held on a working airfield, 
so there were pauses from time-to-time to let the big planes land and 
take-off. The landing area for the duration task was between winchlines 
and runaway and almost invisible for spectators. On Friday the wind was 
blowing along the winchlines and the landing area was moved to the hangar 
side, so we could see the landings too.


Some pictures from the WC are here: http://home.cyber.ee/arne/f3b-album/

(full album in packed form for easier offline browsing - 
http://home.cyber.ee/arne/f3b-album.zip - 90MB).


regards,
Arne
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Re: [RCSE] F3B WC finished

[James V. Bacus]

Thanks for the timely updates and thanks to you and the team for 
representing us so well!


Cheers to Joe, Mike, Gordon, Phil and the rest of the team.

At 07:00 AM 8/6/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We are finished with the contest, finally.  The US team finished in 
third place.


Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV   R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net

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[RCSE] F3B WC finished

[JoeJanWurts]

 We are finished with the contest, finally.  The US team finished in third 
place.  The Germans finished first, and the Swedes finished second for team.  
Individually, I ended up in seventh place, Mike Smith was in eighth, and Gordon 
ended up in 23rd.   Gordon had some bad luck in both distance and speed today, 
with a throwout in distance, and a cut in speed.  This dropped his position 
considerably compared to what we expected going into the last round.  Mike had 
some good air in speed, and I had some good air for the launch in speed, but 
not so good air on the course.  I flew the course very well, and got a 17 
second run.  Mikes run was smoking fast, but had some challenges in crowding 
the safety line.  He ended up with a 16 second run, one of the faster runs for 
the round.  My distance was a potential nightmare, and I was very lucky to get 
a tie for the 1000 pt score.  Gordon had a similar type distance run, but was 
not so lucky as I was.

The team score was in doubt until the very last run.  One swiss pilot cut in 
speed, but did not get a horn on the finish, so he got a reflight.  On his 
reflight he had some reasonable air, but cut base A.  All he had to do was to 
get a 19 second run and the swiss team would have gotten third place...   We 
got lucky, finally!!!

The Germans ran away with the team trophy, and the Swedes had second place with 
some very good flying.  It was very good to see how things have changed in four 
years.  The standard of flying has improved dramatically since the last time 
I've flown at the WC, in 2001.

Thanks to everybody that supported the US team for 2005.  The help we had in 
practice was invaluable.  Special thanks go to the CVRC club for hosting the 
team with a two day practice, as well as the TPG club for allowing us to use 
their field for our one day practice sessions.

Regards,
Joe Wurts
Proud USA F3B Team member
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[RCSE] F3b WC

[Michael Lachowski]

Final results are available at www.f3b.fi
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[RCSE] F3B WC

[JoeJanWurts]

It is now groundhog day #4...

We do have wi-fi access at the field here, and I have a laptop, so I can do 
some emails occasionally.  It is now Thursday morning, just before the start of 
duration for round #5. 

The US team has had some challenges this year.  Round four yesterday was 
especially painful.  Mike hooked the launch chute in duration.  The chute got 
stuck in the elevator.  Fortunately, the plane incurred only a little damage so 
he could fly it in the other two tasks of the round.  In distance, Gordon had a 
very good flight going, at least until a tree abruptly moved to intercept his 
flight path.  This cost him at least a couple of laps along with a safety 
penalty.

On the good side, the US has been doing pretty well in distance.  It took as a 
little bit to get dialed in though.

The conditions have been quite challenging.  The launches have been almost a 90 
degree crosswind for every day, and I think today will be the same.  Evidently 
the runway isn't aligned for the winds in early August, as I think it was the 
same for the F3J WC here in '02.

The speed course has been a learning experience.  Most of the speed has been 
with a quartering tailwind on entry, with the launch being in the direction 
opposite from the course.  Between the atypical speed course orientation, poor 
air on course, and that the far turn horn being more of a confirmation of 
crossing the far base rather than a marking of crossing the base, we have not 
done as well in speed as we were expecting.  Mike and Gordon both had a good 
first round speed, but have had no help since then..

Even duration has been quite challenging.  On one flight, Gordon had a made to 
order 10 minute flight.  10:04 would not have been possible...  I was up for 
round three duration right after a thunderstorm, and made the ten minutes 
without any help from those annoying thermals.  I did two circles during my 
large transit of the field, and regreted doing both of them.  A lesson in not 
touching the sticks.

Gotta go, I'm up for duration now.

Joe
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[RCSE] F3B World Champs

[Daryl Perkins]

I've been perusing the F3B WC site. Looks like there
has been some pretty brutal air. Guys taking hits in
Duration left and right. No huge distance rounds. Only
very few smokin' speed runs. I only noticed 2 sub 15
sec. runs. 

Appears as if Mike Smith had some issues in RD. 4
Duration, (with an 18 second flight)so Team USA
appears to have dropped a few places. After throwouts,
they will jump up significantly. 

Gordon is hanging tough.

Joe is doing that Joe thing... hanging around the top
within striking distance. He doesn't appear to have
blasted any speed runs, but he's been rock solid
everywhere else.

This is making me crazy sitting at home... might have
to return to the fray next cycle. 

Go TEAM USA Good luck guys, if you are reading
this. We are rootin' for ya!

D




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[RCSE] F3b WC

[Michael Lachowski]

Results are up for 2 complete rounds. Looks like things are moving pretty 
smoothly.  They also have a picture gallery for Sunday and Monday.

Looks like speed conditions weren't that good in the second round.


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Re: [RCSE] F3B Worlds

[Michael Lachowski]

D Hauch wrote:


Anyone know what planes some of these top guys are flying ?
 


You have to dig around and find the F3b sites for the various contries. 
 Then you might find out some of the models.


http://www.f3x.no/f3b/2005/index.htm
http://www.f3b-team-germany.de/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Startseite
http://home.vianetworks.nl/users/jsmits/wc2005/
http://www.f3b.it/Italiano/index.html
http://www.silentflight.org/F3B/F3B2005.html
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[RCSE] F3B Worlds

[David Zucker]

Here's the official link for the worlds.

http://www.f3b.fi/results.php
F3B World Championships 2005
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Re: [RCSE] F3B Worlds

[D Hauch]

Anyone know what planes some of these top guys are 
flying ?
 
Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve 
  Siebenaler 
  To: 'Soaring' 
  Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:33 
  AM
  Subject: [RCSE] F3B Worlds
  
  
  For those who are interested, 
  here’s the web site…
   
  http://www.f3b.fi/ 
   
  Partial results are posted for 
  Round 1 (click on Results link).
   
  Steve 
  Siebenaler
  Cincinnati, 
  Ohio USA
   

[RCSE] F3B Worlds

[Steve Siebenaler]

For those who are interested, here’s the web site…

 

http://www.f3b.fi/ 

 

Partial results are posted for Round 1 (click on Results
link).

 

Steve Siebenaler

Cincinnati, Ohio USA

 

Re: [RCSE] F3B winch for TD?

[Michael Lachowski]

Why would you want to replace monofilament with braided line.  That 
would be too boring.  Mono launches are more fun.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can an F3B winch be used for normal TD launching if the monofilament is 
taken of and 290 test line put on.


Maurice

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Re: [RCSE] F3B winch for TD?

[Jo Grini]

Ehhh have you tried ? Same distance to turnaround?
-- 
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:20:34 -0700
From: Tom Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:  Soaring@airage.com
Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3B winch for TD?
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If you like sucky launches...  F3B winches are designed with mono in 
mind.  They're weaker and don't have the drum speed to use a line with 
zero stretch.  You might get away with it for launching light RES stuff.

Tom


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Can an F3B winch be used for normal TD launching if the monofilament is 
> taken of and 290 test line put on.
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Re: [RCSE] F3B winch for TD?

[Tom Watson]

If you like sucky launches...  F3B winches are designed with mono in 
mind.  They're weaker and don't have the drum speed to use a line with 
zero stretch.  You might get away with it for launching light RES stuff.


Tom


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[RCSE] F3B winch for TD?

[mpodder]

Can an F3B winch be used for normal TD launching if the monofilament is 
taken of and 290 test line put on.


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[RCSE] F3b Soaring Team...Where are the TEE Shirts?

[Phil Townsend]

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Re: [RCSE] F3B team practice last weekend

[D Hauch]

www.soaringusa.com had a couple of the Europhias last week,
don't think he has any info on the site.

I'll send you some pics Ron.

Dave Hauch
www.git-r-built.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:12 PM
Subject: [RCSE] F3B team practice last weekend


> David,
>
> Some us unwashed, have never seen one of the Europas or the
>
> Estrellas let alone heard of them. Any info on web sites, pictures,
>
> costs (one morgage payment or two?)
>
> Thanks, Ron Widel
>
>
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[RCSE] F3B team practice last weekend

[Ron Widel]

David,

Some us unwashed, have never seen one of the Europas or the 

Estrellas let alone heard of them. Any info on web sites, pictures, 

costs (one morgage payment or two?)

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[RCSE] F3B team practice last weekend

[David Zucker]

Just wanted to add that Steve Condon ,Tim Cone and I flew as the "other" 
team against our boys Saturday and Sunday and they pretty much put us to 
shame (well Steve held his own). Joe flew consistently smooth speed runs 
in the 15 to 17 second range with Gordon and Mike right in there. 
Distance was really good with good thermals blowing through consistently.
Estrellas seem to be the preferred weapon of choice. Joe's experimenting 
with a Europa (sp.?) and seemed close to getting it dialed in by Sunday.

We have a great team this year and I hope everything goes well for them.
Thanks for the flying lessons you guys.

David Zucker
PBSS
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Re: [RCSE] F3B team practice at Visalia this weekend....

[Daryl Perkins]

Mike,

Will you guys be there both Sat. and Sun.? Times you
expect to be on the field?

Thx,

D

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[RCSE] F3B team practice at Visalia this weekend....

[Mike Smith]

Hello all.

It was requested of me recently to try and alert interested parties of the 
next F3B team practices.


Here you go.

This weekend, CVRC has graciously allowed the US F3B team to use there 
field for practice.  We are inviting anyone interested to come out and 
watch, help, or even fly.  We will need pilots to race against in distance, 
so there will be an opportunity to for some non-team members to fly the course.


I will have some more t-shirts for sale there as well, but only XL's and 
XXL's are left.


So come on out and check out the spectacle of F3B.  It is fun to watch!

See you there.

Gordon, Joe, and Mike

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[RCSE] F3B BAH memorial event short report

[Jo Grini]

Maybe wrong part of the world for most of you but 
might be interresting for some of the F3B pilots

F3B BAH memorial event:  http://www.cirrus-rcfk.no/?main=f3b/f3b260605_eng.shtml   
 
BTW: According to the Swedes that attended there 
will be an Ørebro Open Eurotour next year ;-)
 
Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no 

RE: [RCSE] F3B World Champs History

[Don & lisa Copley]

They wouldn't have listed airplanes used as well would they?

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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:30 PM
To: soaring@airage.com
Subject: [RCSE] F3B World Champs History



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From: Ilma Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: MGASA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:07:55 +0200
Subject: [mgasa] F3B World Champs

I am trying to gather information regarding all the world champs for
F3B, both the ones we did and did not participate in. The information I
want is, who made up our team (3 pilots, team, manager and helpers),
where the individuals were placed and where the team was placed. Which
individual came 1st, 2nd and 3rd, and which teams came 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
It would also be nice if I could get hold of the Logo's used for the
various events.

This is for the www.f3x.za.org website.

Thanks
Ilma


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[RCSE] F3B World Champs History

[Mark Stockton]

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Subject: [mgasa] F3B World Champs

I am trying to gather information regarding all the world champs for 
F3B, both the ones we did and did not participate in. The information I 
want is, who made up our team (3 pilots, team, manager and helpers), 
where the individuals were placed and where the team was placed. Which 
individual came 1st, 2nd and 3rd, and which teams came 1st, 2nd and 3rd. 
It would also be nice if I could get hold of the Logo's used for the 
various events.

This is for the www.f3x.za.org website.

Thanks
Ilma


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RE: [RCSE] F3B winch line winder upper?

[Aneil Patel]

Have a look at http://www.geocities.com/winchnz/index.html . you  will
find what you are looking for.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 6:25 p.m.
To: Soaring Exchange
Subject: [RCSE] F3B winch line winder upper?

F3B pilots -
Need one of them mono line spool stick-in-the-drill-and-wind-the-line-in

thingies (looks like an anorexic upside-down cactus that holds the 
spool).  Is this something that a fishing supply outfit might have, or 
is it a fabricate yourself kinda deal?

Tom

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[RCSE] F3B winch line winder upper?

[Tom Watson]

F3B pilots -
Need one of them mono line spool stick-in-the-drill-and-wind-the-line-in 
thingies (looks like an anorexic upside-down cactus that holds the 
spool).  Is this something that a fishing supply outfit might have, or 
is it a fabricate yourself kinda deal?

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Re: [RCSE] F3B TS

[Mrmaseratiman]

Bob Johnson really covered it as well as it could be.
 
Now for the list of full list of volunteers, the days they worked and the jobs they covered.
 
Thursday, Oct,7th. Practice, winch checking and registration.
        Sanford Searl, called turns at base B for practice distance and speed.
        Bob Johnson, same as Bob.
        Jack Iafret, checked out timing/ lights/ buzzer & PA system for distance and speed.
 
Friday, Oct, 8th.   Ist day of competition.
        Jack Iafret, set up timing/ lights/ buzzer/PA system for distance and ran the system.
        Bob Johson, assist in setting up timing/ lights/ buzzer/ PA system & work at base B.
        Sanford Searl, same as Bob.
        Robin Meek, scorekeeper, base B operations and shag lines for Team Chicago.
        Regie Sewell, assist with timing/ lights etc. and work base B.                                            Paul Sherman, base B operations for distance and speed.
 
Saturday, Oct, 9th. 2nd day of competition.
        Jack Iafret, set up timing/ lights/ buzzers/ PA system for distance & speed. Ran   
    the system.
        Sanford Searl, assist with timing/ lights etc. and worked base B.
        Bob Johnson, same as above.
        Robin Meek, scorekeeper, base B operations and shag lines for Team Chicago.
    `   Jim Deck,  LSF Secretary, worked base B operations.
        Steve Siebenaler,  LSF Treasurer, worked base A & B operations.
        D'Anne Thompson,  worked base A & supported Team Atlanta after totaling her bird.
        Paul Sherman,  worked base B for distance and speed.
        Julian Robertson,  worked base A & B for distance & speed.
 
Sunday, Oct,10 th. 3rd day of competition .
        Jack Iafret,  set up timing/ lights etc. and operate.
        Bob Johnson, assist with timing/lights etc. setup and work base B.
        Sanford Searl, same as Bob.
        Robin Meek, scorekeeper, work base B & shag lines for Team Chicago.
        D'Anne Thompson, base A operations & support Team Atlanta. 
        Mark Gellart, base A & B operations.
        Paul Sherman, base B operations.
 
And of course Phil Renauld, our CD for this Team Selection.
 
Each and every one of these vounteers accepted whatever assignment they were asked to do and always offered to do more.
 
You can't run an F3B Team Selection without volunteers of this caliber and I want to thank each and every one of you for your effort.
 
We were able again able to select a world caliber team for the 2005 Worlds in Finland and this team of Gordon Jennings, Joe Wurts and Mike Smith will represent the USA with the class that we have come to know from our previous teams.
 
 Again, thank you all for your effort.
 
Regards, Dave Corven.

Re: [RCSE] F3B team selection

[Quiet Man]

Way to go Gordon!
 
Man I gotta dust off a few models and get out there again, especially as I have procreated myself out of full-scale etc.
 
John the jealous...
 
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Re: [RCSE] F3B TS

[Bob Johnson]

> If you get a chance, go on out and cheer the guys on.
> Or offer up your services and help out on the sighting
> device, or timing, or where ever you can lend a
> hand You will see some flying like you have never
> seen before. That Joe guy flying distance or DZ's
> thumbs of silk in the speed task... or for those of
> you who think F3B models don't thermal... check these
> guys out... 10 minutes at 8:00 in the morningpiece
> of cake... Just the visual of a good launch off of
> mono is worth the price of admission... (Yeah, I
> know... it's free) But it's cool anyway. ;-)

Cost of gas from home to Muncie and back = $50
Four nights lodging in Muncie = $175
Eating in high-class Muncie restaurants :) = $120
Trinkets at the AMA museum shop = $36
Supplies at the LHS = $44
Watching those awsome launches = priceless
Talking with contestants = priceless
Standing at Base B and knowing that I had the power to cause an airplane to
turn at the push of a button :) = priceless
Standing at Base A and timing planes through the speed run = priceless
Watching planes land and slide along the tape to a stop = priceless

I've read/heard a lot about F3B but had never seen it up close. When I heard
that the Team Selection was being held at Muncie, I decided to volunteer my
services. What better way, I reasoned, than being on the front lines.
Everything Daryl said is 100% correct; these men and women are great and
they put one hell-of-a-show! If you live in the area and didn't come out to
volunteer/observe, shame on you! :) You missed a great show and the
opportunity to rub shoulders with some really great people. A bone-headed
mistake on my part provided a contestant with at least one opportunity to
grumble, and yet not a foul word was uttered. These contestants are, to a
person, a truely classy group of people; they are *all* winners regardless
of where they finished. Best wishes to the trio representing the USA at the
World Championships.

And oh, yeah, I can't resist; those ugly devices used to rapidly
deaccelerate a plane are not allowed in FAI and yet they still were able to
determine a winner! :) Sailplanes with smooth bottoms, ya gotta love 'em. :)

Bob Johnson
Fond du Lac, WI



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[RCSE] F3B TS contest

[Joe Wurts]

Gordon covered the basics quite nicely, thanks Gordon.

I'll reiterate on the appreciation though.  I certainly appreciate the
effort and time spent by all of the people that gave their time to help out
in the event that selected the US F3B team.  It is a challenging task to go
to the flying field, and not fly but just watch others do the flying.
Thanks for everybodys efforts in making this a successful TS.  We have a
very strong team, and I am confident that we will represent the US well at
the world championships next year.

It takes a lot of people to make an event such as the F3B TS work
successfully.  Some people came out for one day, some for two or three days.
In addition, when we weren't flying, fixing lines, or calling for our
teammates, the competitors were also pressed into service as workers.  I am
grateful for all that put the effort into this successful selection of the
team that will go to Finland to represent the US.  Special thanks go to Dave
Corven for spearheading this team selection effort, Phil Renaud for coming
out to be the CD the contest, along with Steve Kaluf of the AMA for the
site, tents, and other stuff that made the contest work.

Regards,
Joe Wurts

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Re: [RCSE] F3B Finals

[Gordon Jennings]

At 02:30 PM 10/10/2004 -0600, Phil Townsend wrote:
No...Gorgon first place...
Bozo
Short report:
1st Gordon Jennings (fast time at 15.40)
2nd Joe Wurts
3rd Mike Smith
4th Aaron Valdez (most laps at 29) 

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[RCSE] F3B Team Selection a.k.a. "Hoosier Daddy"

[Gordon Jennings]

2004 Team Selection
First off, the helpers, course judges and scorekeepers deserve all our 
thanks for putting on a smooth running contest.  CD Phil Renaud and his 
field marshall Dave Corven did a fine job of putting it all together on 
relatively short notice and with a low helper turnout.  All of these guys 
did a great job, while putting up with a gaggle of the most high-strung 
competitors that soaring has to offer.

On to my particular high-strung gaggle.  Joe, what can I say.  Joe has 
managed to teach (okay, cajole, harass, occasionally pummel) me over the 
years to the point where I can give him a thrashing once in a 
while.  Cool.  Darrell Zaballos is (as Tim Renaud put it) the best speed 
caller I'm ever going to get.  And Tim, well, Tim has the unique ability to 
kill off crazy ideas on demand.  Without you guys it never would have come 
together.

Finally, I really need to thank Don Scegiel, who gave me the opportunity to 
fly the hard-to-get Estrella.  There are lots of good sailplanes out there 
for F3B, but I was able to make peace with this one, and I am grateful.

Contest Report
Muncie in October provided us with three days (plus a practice day) of 
nice, flyable weather.  Winds were 5 - 10 mph all three days with 
occasional lulls and hurricanes.  Temperatures were in the 60s and low 70s 
with only a little sprinkle of rain Saturday morning.

The wind blew from a different direction each day.  We decided to try 
something new for F3B and line up the winches into the wind:)  All of the 
teams were pretty light on ground crew, but the generally upwind launches 
kept the amount of line crosses and the usual cluster-ummm down to a minimum.

Duration was flown first thing each morning.  Conditions varied from easy 
to downright scary, with some rounds being won with 6 minute flights.  The 
lift cycles in the morning conditions were really far apart - the tough air 
would usually span two flight groups.  Going from flying an Icon, which was 
born for this sort of thing, to the Estrella, which was decidedly not, was 
a bit of a shock.

Distance followed in the more active, mid-day air.  Conditions were never 
really bad or really great - the lowest winning lap count was 14, the 
highest 29.  The lift was certainly strong enough for 30+ lap wins, but the 
persistent wind prevented any really big lift from sitting on course for 
all 4 minutes.

The Georgia squad, led by their hot-shot pilot Randy Chronic, had a pretty 
novel distance approach - pick a spot and make the lift come to them.  It 
sounds sort of dumb, but with the wind and cycling, you could blow quite a 
few potential laps chasing the air around.  Meanwhile, Randy is just flying 
straight and smooth, cranking off laps and taking points off of far more 
experienced F3B pilots.  No more help for you guys.

Finally speed was flown.  Conditions were pretty consistent with almost no 
one doomed to a 22 second run by intractable air.  The last speed task on 
Sunday had the most active air, but the cycles were so fast that you could 
probably get some decent air if you spent the entire working time looking 
for it.

Overall the contest was the smoothest that I can recall.  Very little in 
the way of reflights, no protests I can recall and very little intra-team 
shouting matches.  Another first!

Of Note:
	D'Anne Thompson putting together two 17 second speed runs, personal bests 
for D'Anne and very nicely flown.
	Tom Kiesling ingeniously winning the all-up, last-down F3B task by hooking 
into the high tension lines with his stretch Caracho.  Managed at least 9 
hours of "hang" time.

In conclusion, a good time was had by all and I think we have a pretty 
strong team for Finland.  Go Team USA!

Gordon
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[RCSE] F3b Team Selections

[Michael Lachowski]

This years F3b team selection is over and done.  I see the winners have 
been posted already to RCSE. Good luck at the next WC.

I'd like to thank Phil Renaud for CD'ing a good contest and especially 
the guys who were out there helping.  Jack did a great job of getting 
the course set up and operating smoothly every day.  And the helpers did 
a good job pushing buttons for the three days.  We had very few 
reflights through the contest.  Thank you for coming out and seeing the 
show and really making it all possible.

Since most of you haven't flown F3b, it's a busy and full day for all of 
us. The workers get to stand out in the sun and watch everyone else fly. 
The shorter October days helped in the pilot and helper energy 
management through the day. If you're not flying or helping a team 
member in flight, you probably are considering changing lines. With the 
small number of flight groups, there wasn't much down time through the 
day. There isn't much time beyond focusing on your teams flights with a 
small group of competitors.

We had a good variety of conditions through the three days. Through the 
3 days I used all my different drum sizes and line sizes except for the 
lightest line I have.  The 600 by 600 makes a nice F3b site with plenty 
of unrestricted flying in all directions. Plenty of duration flights and 
some distance flights were flown well off the AMA property area.  The 
dry September and 30+ degree temperature swings made for some pretty 
strong lift conditions and some good distance flights.

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Re: [RCSE] F3B Finals

[Gordon Jennings]

At 02:30 PM 10/10/2004 -0600, Phil Townsend wrote:
No...Gorgon first place...
Bozo
Short report:
1st Gordon Jennings (fast time at 15.40)
2nd Joe Wurts
3rd Mike Smith
4th Aaron Valdez (most laps at 29)  

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Re: [RCSE] F3B Finals

[Jack Iafret]

From a workers perspective only.
It was a great contest and the thing that made it great was that all of the 
contestants were of a mind set to have a great competition. Not once did I 
see a contestant loosing it (and a couple could of had reason).  They put up 
with the 'make up' volunteer crew that had little experience in this event 
and helped us get through it without stress or blame for the few mistakes 
that were made.

Phil was a good leader and everyone respected his athority and rulings. I 
personally had a good time and feel honored to have hleped the great team 
that will represent us in the "Worlds". I have no idea how they got 10 
minutes in that lousy air but they did it, speed and distance are a hoot 
from the viewpoint of the recording table (made me duck a couple of times).

Everyone was helpful to one another and I can see why the this little 
fraturnity is doing so well.

Now about the things I remember; AArons super clean 15+ second runs, the 
monster launches in the high wind conditions, the worms still shaking from 
Mike's Lachowski's impact, Mike Smith's instant reaction time as a speeding 
broken plane came cartwheeling through the pits, the ability of D'Anne to 
become a volunteer and help and be a very nice person after her ship broke 
up, Dave Corven having a ball playing with the big dogs and about 100 more 
little things.

It was an experience I could write many paragraphs on but it is now past one 
am. and I am bushed. Just be sure that if you do not come to one team select 
in your life, you missed something special.

If I can find a place to put the photos on the web in a day or two, I will 
let you know.


Jack Iafret
"Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules"


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Re: [RCSE] F3B Finals

[James V. Bacus]

At 03:18 PM 10/10/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Having flown
Finland, stay away from the # 11 Pizza...
Unless you enjoy tuna fish on your Pizza.  (eew!)  8-)
 

Jim
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Re: [RCSE] F3B Finals

[Phil Townsend]

Title: Re: [RCSE] F3B Finals



No...Gorgon first place...
Bozo

[RCSE] F3B Finals

[LJolly]

Craig just called me from Muncie. They got in 6 Rounds, something like 18 entries, 3-4 guys at a time in distance, Not quite enough helpers, weather behaved, Thomas Kiesling place his Carracho on permanent display in the wires easily viewed from the museum.
Finland Bound are Joe Wurts, Gordon look how high my Estrella launches Jennings, and Mike Smith. DZ is alternate. Having flown Finland, stay away from the # 11 Pizza, and Elvis is still alive in Lampparade. Larry

[RCSE] F3B Team Selections

[Jeff Steifel]

Round 5 is in progress, TD to be done in the morning.

Wurts 
Gordon Jennings
Mike Smith
Darrell Zaballos
Aaron Valdes
Tom Kiesling

First day was blowing what felt like 20, but was about 15mph.
Second day was beautiful... calm wind nice thermals. Light line all day.

Aaron Valdes put in a pair of 15 sec speed runs day 1. They were sweet.
Mike Smith put a hurt in  distance with some great flying Fast, clean and
crisp.

Joe well Joe is doing what Joe does best.. Fly and read air.
Randi Chronic is someone to be watched... a newcomer to F3B he has caught the
attention of us all.

Carnage on the lines Mike Lachowski had a spectacular blowup when his wingrod
joiner failed on launch during speed.

Dee Thompson buried a plane by flying the wrong plane during TD.

Ben Lawless lost his tail on a third re-flight during distance after a snap
roll on launch.

Dennis Phelan totaled his plane on a launch by a bad toss by myself. Almost
taking out a group of pilots in the pits. 8> Luckily no one was hurt.


Looks like a few of the helpers have been hooked. We'll be seeing them flying
next time like the Georgia boys... It's easy to get hooked on a sport that has
 multiple disciplines 

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[RCSE] F3B

[Phil Townsend]

Gordon says 

Joe Who in first
Mike Smith first loser
Gordon  second loser
Tim Renaud is still walking

Bozo

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[RCSE] F3B TS this weekend

[Daryl Perkins]

US F3B team selections will be going on this weekend
at the AMA flying site in Muncie, IN.. I want to wish
all the competitors the best of luck in their quest to
represent the US in, what I consider to be, the
"Formula 1" of RC soaring. 

If you get a chance, go on out and cheer the guys on.
Or offer up your services and help out on the sighting
device, or timing, or where ever you can lend a
hand You will see some flying like you have never
seen before. That Joe guy flying distance or DZ's
thumbs of silk in the speed task... or for those of
you who think F3B models don't thermal... check these
guys out... 10 minutes at 8:00 in the morningpiece
of cake... Just the visual of a good launch off of
mono is worth the price of admission... (Yeah, I
know... it's free) But it's cool anyway. ;-)

Good Luck Guys! May the best pilots win. I know we
will have a super strong team representing us in
Finland in '05.

GO U.S.!!!


D





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[RCSE] F3B Team Select at AMA, Muncie.

[Mrmaseratiman]

Three items of interest:
 
1) We are still looking for a few more volunteers to support the team select operation on Oct, 8th, 9th and 10th, 2004. Contact me at the 
e-mail address below if you can help on any or all of the days listed.
 
2) The rental battery order for contestants can be adjusted until 3:00 pm on Monday Oct 4th, 2004. If any of the registered contestants that have ordered batteries cannot make the team selection please contact me by the above date and time so I can adjust the order as I am responsible for the battery costs.
 
3) There will be a concession trailer on site for breakfast and lunch from 7:00 am until 1:30 pm fri,sat sun.
Menu as follows: Breakfast, steak and eggs, bacon and eggs and coffee. Lunch, steak sandwich, chicken teriaki, hot dogs, french fries, cold drinks and coffee.
 
Dave Corven, 
e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], 248-515-2153 (cell) 

[RCSE] F3B UK Winter Practice Sessions and more!!!

[jubbycj]

Hi all,

We will be holding a series of F3B winter practice sessions here in 
the sunny U/K starting in October for all those that could be 
interested.

All will be more than welcome.
For more details please see the BARCS web for details.

www.barcs.co.uk

Also for those interested Mike Challinor has posted pictures of his 
new F3B Zenith moulds.To be found in the photo's section.

You will have to join first though.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/F3BUK


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[RCSE] F3B Team Selection

[Mrmaseratiman]

Correction to previous post. Phil Renauds e-mail address is 
 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
 
Sorry for the missprint.
 
Regards, Dave Corven.