Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
(unless you like the Profi 4000 but even then the company is not very supportive) and JR is in. Everything else is not worth talking about. Where is Airtronics in all of this? I used to like my Airtronics Stylus but that was getting old (heavy). Futaba's new offering (14mz) is over the top for me. I don't like the styling of the Profi 4000 - too big and pricey. I was an mpx dealer and could have had a 4000 at wholesale, it is an awesome radio and will be for a long time, if you like it, use it. I have personally used futaba 8uafs's and 9C's, I have never been shut out of a combination mix that I wanted, although I had to play some games sometimes to do it. The 9C is an improvement in that area, far easier to program. I too build some rather complex UAV's and most of the customers have specified 9C's and PCM rx's. I can't think of a single radio that gives as much bang for the buck. I paid about $260 for my second 9C (new from Bruckner Hobbies) tx last year. If you need more radio than that, go find it, but I haven't found the need yet, even on 100lb.+ airplanes. Personally I have always loathed JR and Airtronics tx's just because the interface was completely un-intuitive( to me, you may love it!). I almost got into JR when I got back into the sport in the early 90's, but my radio aggravated me so much that I sold all the JR stuff and switched to futaba. The futaba service sucks (in my experience), but I would only send it to Radio South or the guy in Prescott anyway. JR and Airtronics are fine, but you need to be comfortable with the interface... I think John was alluding to the fact that the high end radios are not the big sellers, at least not the bulk of the market, probably due to the shift and growth in park flyers. I don't think the high end radios are going away though, there is too much large scale and IMAC stuff going on.. I am still amazed at the large number of people still flying ProLine! (I would love to get 3 channel sticks for my radios) Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Well said, Steve. It is the discerning modeler who wants the very best, the most flexible radio, who is atracted to complex 12 channel scale ships. That's who the 4000 appeals to. Like any high end product, the market is modest and you won't find support in every small town. It's no different than high performance cars, boats or any other special interest. In our hobby, Horizon puts out a nice line of popular priced planes and radios and offers reasonable levels of support. But they aren't the high end, they are not the best and most innovative, the most carefully thought out and considered. They represent good value for a broad market. They are middle of the road products, not the best of the best. But when you want true excellence like a Let sailplane or a Profi 4000, distribution and support are very modest. THe irony is that John D. is very much like Ernie. There's only one of each. Both provide very high quality service, both are very knowledgeable, both are super guys to deal with. But if either John or Ernie decide to do something else in life, those of us who enjoy a Let sailplane or Profi 4000 will bemoan the loss but will find another source for high quality products via word of mouth or the internet. That's the way life is. Those who most highly value support, should buy radios like JR. Those who want the very best should consider the Profi 4000. I can only look at the short term in life. No one knows where any of will be tomorrow. And short term, I can get my Profi 4000 service in 24 hours with Ernie. JR doesn't promise that level of service. Does Let?! My final 2 cents on this topic, Steve From: Steve Lange Date: Mon Mar 14 00:38:44 CST 2005 To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 John Derstine wrote: The German market has been very demanding and they have reconfigured JR equipment to meet those demands, hence the pizza box designs with unlimited switch and stick assignments plus more or less open mixing.(MC 24) ...unlimited switch and stick assignments (channel assignments too)--that's what I'm talking about. I don't care who makes it, that's what I want. I want pre-programmed NOTHING. Let me sort it out, I actually do know best what I want to do with my radio. For now, the Profi 4000 is what lets me do what I want to do with minimal BS. That's what I'm kicking the big bucks out for, after all. If I wanted limitations I'd just stick with Hitec. Can the American market please become a bit more demanding? LOL Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. ?Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. ?Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Mike, What do you mean by UI? Keith McLellan -another very happy 4000 owner. ..just in London the other day... IMO the 4000 is still the mixer king, the Evo is still the UI king. Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Paul, JR is an independent company based in Japan. JR does not own Graupner. Graupner is an independent company that is celebrating their 75th year in existence as was on display at the Nuremberg Toy Fair last month in Germany. They distribute JR products in Europe and we, Horizon Hobby Inc., are the JR distributor here in the US. We work very closely with JR's engineers to develop products tailored to the US market. Regards, John Diniz Horizon Hobby Inc. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Well Steve (R), we all know you love your profi. :-) And I agree with your assessment overall. Your experience with JR is an 8103 if I remember correctly, well that indeed is the middle of the road radio. the 10X on the other hand is a different story, as is the new 9303. I would love for Multiplex to support my LET and other products with specific programming ideas and down loadable sailplane programs, but that is not possible. JR does that for me. The Data safe software allows me to email customers set ups for their scale planes from top pilots like Peter Goldsmith and Steve Rojecki. In addition, LET offers its models with JR/Graupner plugs pre installed on all their molded sailplanes. For me it is a good fit, with premium products that anyone in the U.S can have complete support for in the field at the JR aerotow, Pensacola Aerotow, the Wallowa Alpine soaring event etc. I would happily recommend the Profi if it were the right radio for the majority of my high end customers, and at one time I seriously considered it, even imported several. But in today's world, JR serves my needs with complete support, high end radios, and servos in a wide variety of sizes. Not for everyone to be sure, but I am very comfortable with the relationship. I am surprised no one has jumped in with comments about the MC-24 Graupner, many West Coast flyers use those for their scale ships, mostly because of the extra channels available. But with the current 10X one can have the advantage of rock solid PCM modulation and extend channel flexibility if needed with the use of Matchbox units which allow the use of extra batteries for specific servos. Best, JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Richman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:40 AM To: Steve Lange; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 In our hobby, Horizon puts out a nice line of popular priced planes and radios and offers reasonable levels of support. But they aren't the high end, they are not the best and most innovative, the most carefully thought out and considered. They represent good value for a broad market. They are middle of the road products, not the best of the best. But when you want true excellence like a Let sailplane or a Profi 4000, distribution and support are very modest. THe irony is that John D. is very much like Ernie. There's only one of each. Both provide very high quality service, both are very knowledgeable, both are super guys to deal with. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
-Original Message- From: John Derstine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 11:00 AM Look at the market. Germany has 25% unemployment, no one is buying high priced stuff but the elite flyers. According to the BBC, unemployment in Germany is about 1/2 of what you claimed, even though at record levels. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4307303.stm Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. - Mark Twain ;) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
First, to be fair, comparing a Profi 4000 to a 9303 function to function is not even close to the same level of radio. If you can get a Multiplex 4000, most of the mid level distributors for Hitec do not have them by the way, you will pay $1000.00 for a radio that is an incredibly flexible system. However Hitec will only be importing them for a short while longer, (See their web site) they are special order only if you can not find one at a dealer. Who is going to support this product when they are no longer available? The 9303 on the other hand is a 500.00 radio system, which with its necessary limits on channel switch select ability, is probably one of the most flexible and intuitive sailplane radios on the market. The channel assignment issue referred to below is specific to the sailplane programming and is an advantage not a limiting factor. It allows a six channel rx to be used for a full house sailplane with the six functions normally used for same, if your friend is only using a five channel rx, it should not make a difference unless he has more functions than the rx can handle in the first place. You have a choice of elevon wing type, normal, or dual flap,(separate flap servos for each flap.) Secondly, the channel assignment is arranged the way it is to put commonly mixed sailplane channels adjacent to one another in the data stream, to minimize synchronizing delay. My advice is to purchase new JR 7 channel R770S rxs for his additional planes to get the most advantage from the 9303. That way you will have branded equipment designed to work together, they are super small and capable of PPM or PCM modulation. John D. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Lange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:51 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went down the same path some time ago. I have a Profi I'll make you a good deal on. snip They are for sale because I found the JR9303. Ironically enough, this past weekend my friend had to bring two radios out to the slope, his new JR9303 and his older Hitec Flash 5, because he could not reassign the channels on the 9303 to work with one of the planes he brought. Apparently, to for the elevon mixing to work right you have to put the servos on channels 1 6 with the 9303, but as he has a 5 channel Rx that wasn't going to work. I don't know if he just wasn't familiar enough with the 9303 or what, but I do know that re-assigning servos to channels and/or controls is a trivial undertaking with the Profi 4000. I got one about a year ago and have been absolutely loving it ever since! Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Well, obviously you have profi religion and faith that Ernie won't retire, or decide not to repair radios in his spare time. Personally I will stick with a major distributor who supports their product with a trained staff of 6 or more full time techs and field support by all the JR team members, and factory support personnel. Granted you can't expect the personal touch, but look at the volume difference, One or two vs many radio turn arounds. If they are so good, you have to wonder why you see so many Profi's for sale used these days? Are there owners buying new ones? Where? Turn around is fair play :-) Hey apples to apples, new price to new. The used radio market is another thing entirely. The profi is an excellent radio, no argument, once the king (in Europe especially for large scale sailplanes), with factory support, on going development, but face the facts, that has come to an end as far as future development of the profi is concerned. The Hitec future may hold another multi channel radio in development, but it will look like all the other Asian offerings.(EVO) The new, albiet overpriced Futaba 14 channel has what looks like the future in hand, JR will follow with one of their own no doubt, hopefully with a tad bit more function than glitz. Who want mp3's on their transmitter? Look at the market. Germany has 25% unemployment, no one is buying high priced stuff but the elite flyers. The hobby shops are going out of business over there. No one is going to develop a radio for a handful of Germans, Swiss and, Austrians. My assumption is they will support the German market for a while, and supply the U.S. connoisseur willing to pay $1000.00 for a transmitter, special order. Even here we are aging, willing to spend more and we want to do less, not build planes, not program radios, etc. The average age for modelers is 50 something. The dollar is in the dumpster against the Euro, so who, ultimately, is going to make radios in Germany for the U.S. market? Enjoy your profis while they last. Long live Ernie!! JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Lange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:56 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 John Derstine wrote: First, to be fair, comparing a Profi 4000 to a 9303 function to function is not even close to the same level of radio. If you can get a Multiplex 4000, most of the mid level distributors for Hitec do not have them by the way, you will pay $1000.00 for a radio that is an incredibly flexible system. Or, you can get a used Profi 4000 for about the same price as a new 9303 or Evo. Turnabout is fair play! :) enerally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
I think (who knows for sure other then Glenn) John has it about right and it is a shame. I will keep my 4000 until it is no longer usable. Programing is now not the chore it once was and had become almost fast and automatic once you learn the language. Some things are classic and never go out of style to the believers but even us will have to change to a new box someday when Hitec gives up supporting us. Germany did the mechanicals well and clearly thought modelers were a technical lot and could figure out what they wanted for their own programs to fly their own planes. May have been true 10 years ago, especially in Eroupe but in the good old USA our mindset is buy-it, turn-it-on, use-it for all forms of technology (not a bad thing, just different). Hell, I used to build my own radios just to lean, can not consieve of rolling my own now. Jack On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:59:38 -0500, John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, obviously you have profi religion and faith that Ernie won't retire, or decide not to repair radios in his spare time. Personally I will stick with a major distributor who supports their product with a trained staff of 6 or more full time techs and field support by all the JR team members, and factory support personnel. Granted you can't expect the personal touch, but look at the volume difference, One or two vs many radio turn arounds. If they are so good, you have to wonder why you see so many Profi's for sale used these days? Are there owners buying new ones? Where? Turn around is fair play :-) Hey apples to apples, new price to new. The used radio market is another thing entirely. The profi is an excellent radio, no argument, once the king (in Europe especially for large scale sailplanes), with factory support, on going development, but face the facts, that has come to an end as far as future development of the profi is concerned. The Hitec future may hold another multi channel radio in development, but it will look like all the other Asian offerings.(EVO) The new, albiet overpriced Futaba 14 channel has what looks like the future in hand, JR will follow with one of their own no doubt, hopefully with a tad bit more function than glitz. Who want mp3's on their transmitter? Look at the market. Germany has 25% unemployment, no one is buying high priced stuff but the elite flyers. The hobby shops are going out of business over there. No one is going to develop a radio for a handful of Germans, Swiss and, Austrians. My assumption is they will support the German market for a while, and supply the U.S. connoisseur willing to pay $1000.00 for a transmitter, special order. Even here we are aging, willing to spend more and we want to do less, not build planes, not program radios, etc. The average age for modelers is 50 something. The dollar is in the dumpster against the Euro, so who, ultimately, is going to make radios in Germany for the U.S. market? Enjoy your profis while they last. Long live Ernie!! JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Lange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:56 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 John Derstine wrote: First, to be fair, comparing a Profi 4000 to a 9303 function to function is not even close to the same level of radio. If you can get a Multiplex 4000, most of the mid level distributors for Hitec do not have them by the way, you will pay $1000.00 for a radio that is an incredibly flexible system. Or, you can get a used Profi 4000 for about the same price as a new 9303 or Evo. Turnabout is fair play! :) enerally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies Acc't. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Hi John, The JR 9303 sounds like a very nice tx however, I was hoping you could clarify the statement on your website that: EMM is a JR OEM end user. If you have questions about availability of JR radio gear included with your Sailplane or tow plane, email or call for pricing as it is considered good etiquette to indicate if your relationship with the product you are recommending is something more than just a satisfied customer. It's always nice to know if there's a bit of sales pitch mixed in with the glowing review :) cheers Paul At 11:59 AM -0500 13/3/05, John Derstine wrote: Well, obviously you have profi religion and faith that Ernie won't retire, or decide not to repair radios in his spare time. Personally I will stick with a major distributor who supports their product with a trained staff of 6 or more full time techs and field support by all the JR team members, and factory support personnel. Granted you can't expect the personal touch, but look at the volume difference, One or two vs many radio turn arounds. If they are so good, you have to wonder why you see so many Profi's for sale used these days? Are there owners buying new ones? Where? Turn around is fair play :-) Hey apples to apples, new price to new. The used radio market is another thing entirely. The profi is an excellent radio, no argument, once the king (in Europe especially for large scale sailplanes), with factory support, on going development, but face the facts, that has come to an end as far as future development of the profi is concerned. The Hitec future may hold another multi channel radio in development, but it will look like all the other Asian offerings.(EVO) The new, albiet overpriced Futaba 14 channel has what looks like the future in hand, JR will follow with one of their own no doubt, hopefully with a tad bit more function than glitz. Who want mp3's on their transmitter? Look at the market. Germany has 25% unemployment, no one is buying high priced stuff but the elite flyers. The hobby shops are going out of business over there. No one is going to develop a radio for a handful of Germans, Swiss and, Austrians. My assumption is they will support the German market for a while, and supply the U.S. connoisseur willing to pay $1000.00 for a transmitter, special order. Even here we are aging, willing to spend more and we want to do less, not build planes, not program radios, etc. The average age for modelers is 50 something. The dollar is in the dumpster against the Euro, so who, ultimately, is going to make radios in Germany for the U.S. market? Enjoy your profis while they last. Long live Ernie!! JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Lange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:56 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 John Derstine wrote: First, to be fair, comparing a Profi 4000 to a 9303 function to function is not even close to the same level of radio. If you can get a Multiplex 4000, most of the mid level distributors for Hitec do not have them by the way, you will pay $1000.00 for a radio that is an incredibly flexible system. Or, you can get a used Profi 4000 for about the same price as a new 9303 or Evo. Turnabout is fair play! :) enerally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Another Profi 4000 owner weighing. Just sold my JR TX paperweight with its incomprehensible and equally inflexible programming, money going to another 4000 I just acquired. Rest assured if Ernie decides to hang up his soldering iron, someone else will support this TX, even if it means a 3 week turnound to MPX in Germany. Given all this radio offers for those who want the easist to program and most flexible radio, it's not that much of an inconvenience. After all, how often does a Profi need service? And every time I watch others struggling to program their pre-programmed radios, I can't help but wonder why no one else can make a comparable set. Another of life's great mysteries. Regards, Steve From: Jack Iafret Date: Sun Mar 13 11:39:42 CST 2005 To: John Derstine Cc: Steve Lange , Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 I think (who knows for sure other then Glenn) John has it about right and it is a shame. I will keep my 4000 until it is no longer usable. Programing is now not the chore it once was and had become almost fast and automatic once you learn the language. Some things are classic and never go out of style to the believers but even us will have to change to a new box someday when Hitec gives up supporting us. Germany did the mechanicals well and clearly thought modelers were a technical lot and could figure out what they wanted for their own programs to fly their own planes. May have been true 10 years ago, especially in Eroupe but in the good old USA our mindset is buy-it, turn-it-on, use-it for all forms of technology (not a bad thing, just different). Hell, I used to build my own radios just to lean, can not consieve of rolling my own now. Jack On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:59:38 -0500, John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, obviously you have profi religion and faith that Ernie won't retire, or decide not to repair radios in his spare time. ?Personally I will stick with a major distributor who supports their product with a trained staff of 6 or more full time techs and field support by all the JR team members, and factory support personnel. Granted you can't expect the personal touch, but look at the volume difference, One or two vs many radio turn arounds. If they are so good, you have to wonder why you see so many Profi's for sale used these days? Are there owners buying new ones? Where? Turn around is fair play :-) Hey apples to apples, new price to new. The used radio market is another thing entirely. The profi is an excellent radio, no argument, once the king (in Europe especially for large scale sailplanes), with factory support, on going development, but face the facts, that has come to an end as far as future development of the profi is concerned. The Hitec future may hold another multi channel radio in development, but it will look like all the other Asian offerings.(EVO) The new, albiet overpriced Futaba 14 channel has what looks like the future in hand, JR will follow with one of their own no doubt, hopefully with a tad bit more function than glitz. Who want mp3's on their transmitter? Look at the market. Germany has 25% unemployment, no one is buying high priced stuff but the elite flyers. The hobby shops are going out of business over there. No one is going to develop a radio for a handful of Germans, Swiss and, Austrians. My assumption is they will support the German market for a while, and supply the U.S. connoisseur willing to pay $1000.00 for a transmitter, special order. Even here we are aging, willing to spend more and we want to do less, not build planes, not program radios, etc. The average age for modelers is 50 something. The dollar is in the dumpster against the Euro, so who, ultimately, is going to make radios in Germany for the U.S. market? Enjoy your profis while they last. Long live Ernie!! JD Endless Mountain Models a href=http://www.scalesoaring.com http://www.scalesoaring.com /a email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Lange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:56 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 John Derstine wrote: First, to be fair, comparing a Profi 4000 to a 9303 function to function is not even close to the same level of radio. If you can get a Multiplex 4000, most of the mid level distributors for Hitec do not have them by the way, you will pay $1000.00 for a radio that is an incredibly flexible system. Or, you can get a used Profi 4000 for about the same price as a new 9303 or Evo. Turnabout is fair play! :) enerally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. ?Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. ?Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Well, obviously you have profi religion and faith that Ernie won't retire, or decide not to repair radios in his spare time. The Evo is *almost* a great soaring radio but for those dumb shared mixers. Pretty well wrecks it as a serious radio for people (a) have lots of different models and (b) who want to play with the mixers - which is half the point of getting an Evo in the first place. I use mine as a 5-memory radio... Interestingly, the Evo 7 has totally private mixer defs, so it's unlikely to be a software issue, more likely a memory limitation. It may be significant that MPX upped the model memories of the 9 and 12 shortly prior to launch, if this was at the expense of private mixers, then it was a rare slipup by MPX. But the basic architecture is sound. If the Evo had 'privatised' the mixers and proper 3-state logic switches, I'd use in preference to a 4K for F3F. The new, albiet overpriced Futaba 14 channel has what looks like the future in hand As for the Futaba 14MZ, I saw a site with some screenshots and a not very in depth review. Positive features: Lithium cells, large display, and CompactFlash memory . But judging by the screenshots, the UI is truly horrible - forget Windows CE, the graphics look like MSDOS and the dialogs poorly designed. IMO the 4000 is still the mixer king, the Evo is still the UI king. Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Paul: Very good point you have. My email signature includes my web address, and my business name. Anyone, if they do not already know me, can go look and see what I sell. I also sell Hitec, Multiplex, and up until a little while ago FMA. The telling story is, that as a small niche supplier of scale sailplanes and a few accessories, I can choose to do business with any company in the world. I get offers every day from Germany, the Czech Republic, and a few from China and Vietnam, (yuk). With FMA, to become a dealer all I did was talk to Fred Marks, and he said poof you are a dealer, with Hitec, similar story, Hitec does offer some products that my customers want, but mostly I use MAXX Products, their mid level distributor, for all the electronic accessories they offer for set up and custom installations of radio components. With Horizon Hobbies, they choose you. It is no slam dunk to represent them. They, in my experience offer superior level servos, and the best SUPORTED radio equipment world wide. If I want to fly in Europe all I need is a module and RX crystal on 35. To answer your question I can not sell JR products to customers directly. I am not a Horizon Hobby dealer. I as an OEM am only authorized to install their JR branded radio equipment in my Pegasus tow planes as part of a pre installed package, at a customer's request, or in other imported sailplanes I sell. Part of what I do is supply RPV airframes to small aerospace companies, they request JR servos, for reasons of performance, reliability, and availability. Many have their own OEM accounts with Horizon. Horizon has very high standards, and expect the same from their representatives. I have pursued the relationship with them from personal experience. It has been my choice as a happy and satisfied customer first. I have the luxury to fly what ever 3-5k scale sailplane I choose. I have used every brand of radio gear available. Let's face it, it all works to some level of acceptance. I have used Futaba, Hitec, and FMA gear over the years. Never got into the Airtronics mindset, but their gear is high quality also, but it is really more like a cult following these days. When I travel to distant events for example, if there are JR reps there, and often they are, if you break down, they get you flying, if you need a crystal, you have it no questions asked. Is the 10X the easiest radio to program? No. Is it the best supported 10 channel radio in the U.S.? I believe so. Could it use 2 more channels? One could wish. The 9303 is the best $500.00 sailplane radio on the market. That is an opinion, but hey, it is of course, my prerogative. It is the opinion of a private user/satisfied customer, as I can't sell the radio by itself to an end user. Feel the difference. OOPs that sounded like an endorsement, and we are really off the topic. Two years from now, Multiplex as it was will be a distant memory for most people. A very sad story really. Oh there will be the foamy crappy planes and the Evo derivatives. Who knows maybe Hitec will offer a hybridized new radio in the future with 14 channels using the IPD technology they bought. There will always be the discerning enthusiast seeking out the boutique radio which addresses their particular needs, who will continue to trade, swap, and seek out the Profi. It is a great radio, it has lots of channels and features no other radio has, but few need, and therein lies the reality. It's half life is over. It is what it was last year forever, until they quit making it. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Paul Jacobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 7:13 PM To: John Derstine; 'Steve Lange'; Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 Hi John, The JR 9303 sounds like a very nice tx however, I was hoping you could clarify the statement on your website that: EMM is a JR OEM end user. If you have questions about availability of JR radio gear included with your Sailplane or tow plane, email or call for pricing as it is considered good etiquette to indicate if your relationship with the product you are recommending is something more than just a satisfied customer. It's always nice to know if there's a bit of sales pitch mixed in with the glowing review :) cheers Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Paul; Graupner distributes JR brand equipment in Germany and Europe. Horizon does the same in the U.S. They each tailor the product to their specific market. The German market has been very demanding and they have reconfigured JR equipment to meet those demands, hence the pizza box designs with unlimited switch and stick assignments plus more or less open mixing.(MC 24) While at the same time offering the standard JR line. One example is the JR 9X from Japan. Totally different programming features from the 9303. Interestingly, Graupner took that chassis made it a 12 channel and calls it the MX 22. Again it uses Graupner firmware which differs both from the 9X and 9303. I know pilots who have owned all three and say that the 9303 goes the farthest with sailplane specific preprogrammed mixes and firmware. So look at it this way. Germany has 25% unemployment, the relatively small modeling community is aging as it is here, and shrinking as well. Hitec in Korea now owns Multiplex. They supposedly bought the company for their radio technology. Where do you think they are going to target there marketing of any forthcoming products? Germany? Well they will most likely keep the German Multiplex alive for the foreseeable future, but they are already stripping it to the bone. No more Contestline kits, they were recently sold off to one of their venders. What is new for Multiplex in 2005?? Elapor unbreakable foam gliders. As far as the U.S market. Hitec/Multiplex USA offers foam planes, evos a few servos, rxs, electric motors, and not much else. No accessories like servo boxes or hardware. The Profi is available in very limited quantities until such time it disappears entirely from the U.S. I have no real info on what to expect in the future from Hitec, but my feeling is we will see more Evo like offerings with perhaps a high end radio with 12-14 channels looking like any other Japanese or Korean unit. Multiplex name or not, it will all be made in Asia. Some of it already is... not necessarily a bad thing. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Paul Jacobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:13 PM To: John Derstine Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 Hi John, Thanks for clearing that up. I don't live in the US and I'm not into scale so I'd usually have little reason to visit your site, but the multiplex vs jr debate prompted me to take a look. I'm interested in why you think HiTec will drop support for Multiplex? It's seems like a bizarre strategy to purchase a high end equipment manufacturer only to run it into the ground. A similar case could be JR's handling of Graupner: correct me if I wrong but it seems that while JR owns Graupner(?) they don't distribute their radio gear to the US, or at least it appears that way judging by a quick google search and the infrequent mentions they get on RCSE. So perhaps you will be proven right and Multiplex will disappear from the US, but I'd be very surprised if they shut up shop anywhere else. cheers Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
John Derstine wrote: The German market has been very demanding and they have reconfigured JR equipment to meet those demands, hence the pizza box designs with unlimited switch and stick assignments plus more or less open mixing.(MC 24) ...unlimited switch and stick assignments (channel assignments too)--that's what I'm talking about. I don't care who makes it, that's what I want. I want pre-programmed NOTHING. Let me sort it out, I actually do know best what I want to do with my radio. For now, the Profi 4000 is what lets me do what I want to do with minimal BS. That's what I'm kicking the big bucks out for, after all. If I wanted limitations I'd just stick with Hitec. Can the American market please become a bit more demanding? LOL Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
So what I'm getting from this discussion on the future of R/C transmitters is Multiplex is out (unless you like the Profi 4000 but even then the company is not very supportive) and JR is in. Everything else is not worth talking about. Where is Airtronics in all of this? I used to like my Airtronics Stylus but that was getting old (heavy). Futaba's new offering (14mz) is over the top for me. I don't like the styling of the Profi 4000 - too big and pricey. I do have a Multiplex Royal Evo 12 and like it very much. There is a strong following of Evo users on the RCGroups forums. The global mixers are good for what I have to fly (when I have the chance to). I like the ergonomics of the case and there are no more crevices to get crud stuck in like the Asian radios. Despite one of the shortcomings of the Evo (global mixers), it's all right by me for what I fly. I will eventually get a JR 9303 because I fly with Ham channels (I've got a bunch of JR 700 50 MHz receivers from when I had the Stylus) and JR supports the six meter frequencies - when they can supply it (I have a JR 9303 on six meters backordered for quite a while now). I know Futaba does six meters, but I just like JR a little more. I hope this talk about Multiplex going on the wayside is just that, just talk. But I guess the insiders know otherwise. I'll wait and see. In the meantime, I'll just get what is available and affordable for my use and for this aged R/C hobbyist, I'll not be too concerned what's in or out today but what is in line with my use, taste, and priorities. Aloha and best regards, Al Battad - WH6VE AMA #506981 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 6:21 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 HI, OK, time to get a new transmitter for the gliders so I looked at the Multiplex EVO 12 Synthesized unit. Then I find out that the mixer function and control layout are Global and any change in one model, changes all models ? Scratch that one off the search, so now who sells the Profi Multiplex 4000 and do you have them in stock ??? Winston in Walla Walla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Winston - I went down the same path some time ago. I have a Profi I'll make you a good deal on. It's like new, and I'll throw in a neck strap. There's nothing else like it. Heck, I'll even make you a good deal on an Evo. Oh yeah, I have a used Stylus you could talk me out of also. They're all great radios, but I've found that I don't need them anymore. They are for sale because I found the JR9303. happy trails - Rob Glover - proprietor of the basement toy plane museum that needs to rotate some stock. Please help me, I have a problem. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
HI, OK, time to get a new transmitter for the gliders so I looked at the Multiplex EVO 12 Synthesized unit. Then I find out that the mixer function and control layout are Global and any change in one model, changes all models ? Scratch that one off the search, so now who sells the Profi Multiplex 4000 and do you have them in stock ??? Winston in Walla Walla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Winston - I went down the same path some time ago. I have a Profi I'll make you a good deal on. It's like new, and I'll throw in a neck strap. There's nothing else like it. Heck, I'll even make you a good deal on an Evo. Oh yeah, I have a used Stylus you could talk me out of also. They're all great radios, but I've found that I don't need them anymore. They are for sale because I found the JR9303. happy trails - Rob Glover - proprietor of the basement toy plane museum that needs to rotate some stock. Please help me, I have a problem. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went down the same path some time ago. I have a Profi I'll make you a good deal on. snip They are for sale because I found the JR9303. Ironically enough, this past weekend my friend had to bring two radios out to the slope, his new JR9303 and his older Hitec Flash 5, because he could not reassign the channels on the 9303 to work with one of the planes he brought. Apparently, to for the elevon mixing to work right you have to put the servos on channels 1 6 with the 9303, but as he has a 5 channel Rx that wasn't going to work. I don't know if he just wasn't familiar enough with the 9303 or what, but I do know that re-assigning servos to channels and/or controls is a trivial undertaking with the Profi 4000. I got one about a year ago and have been absolutely loving it ever since! Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
