RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? (extreme VAN)
If you are interested in a rig to take to soaring contests, I'm selling MONGO the van and my 21' travel trailer. MONGO is a 1999 Ford E350 Chateau van with a 7.3L TD engine (85K mi) and will carry a boatload of stuff AND seven passengers in comfort + gets great mileage for a BIG van. MONGO can tow 10K lbs too. The trailer (Hotel Howard) is a 2001 StarLite - sleeps 5 and is in great shape as well. MONGO goes for $11,500, the trailer $9,500. I'd make a deal on the pair. Thanks for the bandwidth! Mark *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
Find an old VW Bus or Camper. Best glider car I ever had. Good millage too. :-) Regis RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
BMW 320 Diesel Wagon35mpg at 100mph50 mpg at 80 mph plenty of room for planes. :-) (don't ask how I know) Dennis RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
35mpg at 100mph50 mpg at 80 mph. Losing your license for speeding violations - PRICELESS! :) -Original Message- From: Dennis Hipperson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:30 AM To: Hall, Stuart A Cc: Jim Laurel; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? BMW 320 Diesel Wagon35mpg at 100mph50 mpg at 80 mph plenty of room for planes. :-) (don't ask how I know) Dennis *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
Wait just a little while for the Magnum SRT8. 425 hp 425 lbs ft of torque. I just finished the containment testing and production starts in two weeks. The extreme air plane hauler. Regards, Dave Corven. Vehicle Synthesis Engineer SRT - Street Race Technology DaimlerChrysler Corp. Here is what I am thinking about next... http://www.dodge.com/magnum/ Get the RT. 340 HP all wheel drive Nuf Said...lol... I have a Dodge Shelby Charger Pro Rallye Car, but the roll cage/spare tire's and tools makes it really hard to get any kind of model in it.. Dr. Danny Williams Colorado Springs, CO RMSA http://www.rmsadenver.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
Since the thread seems to have turned to impractical soaring transportation, how about a 1972 Triumph Stag with a slush box? 2-m joined wing and high start will fit. Bet you've not seen one of those at a soaring field! I usually drive my 1968 Triumph Spitfire. The planes go in the passenger seat. Sometimes strapped down so they don't blow away since the top is off! -Kirk RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car/wagon?
Wait just a little while for the Magnum SRT8. 425 hp 425 lbs ft of torque. I just finished the containment testing and production starts in two weeks. The extreme air plane hauler. If only the magnums were FULL sized station wagons Cool concept, but too small Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car/wagon?
Picky picky picky. Dave Wait just a little while for the Magnum SRT8. 425 hp 425 lbs ft of torque. I just finished the containment testing and production starts in two weeks. The extreme air plane hauler. If only the magnums were FULL sized station wagons Cool concept, but too small Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
My favourite choice: Company Car (minivan). Free Gas. Free miles. (130 miles and 170 miles round trip to club fields. (209 and 274 kilometers respectively.)) Steven Meyer SOAR At 12:22 PM 5/2/2005, Jim Laurel wrote: So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon I have an old Land Rover 110 that has been a project vehicle for 2 years and is now nearing completion. Size-wise, it's about perfect, but it is slow, lumbering, and eats high octane petrol like there's no tomorrow (curse the DOT and EPA for not getting us decent diesel fuel sooner; I'd love to have a nice 300 Tdi rather than the V8). Plus, the HVAC system is useless - pretty much windows up or down. In the plus column, however, it will get you to any slope site you like and then some. It's also got a rooftop tent, which might be nice for those 2-day contests. Let's hear some suggestions! --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
Subject: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? 2004 6.0 PSD Excursion. Carry 6 of anything! Get 20 mpg on hiways while doin' it. 44 gal. fuel tank. CT to Muncie No fuel stops... ;). Rough goin? switch on the 4WD... Not for everyone... :) I love mine! . Let's hear some suggestions! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
VW Toureg (the V-10 diesel *IF* you can afford it) -- it had more power and torque than most trucks and has better gas mileage than the average mid size car. See: http://www.vw.com/touareg/index.htm http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/volkswagen/touareg/suv/midsize/index.html Of course, seeing I am mentioning nice to have's out of my price range, why not a H1 or H2 Hummer, Porsche Cayenne, Toyota Land Cruiser, or a Land Rover Range Rover. Oh well, it's only money (which I don't have) and it's nice to dream... :-) Cameron -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:22 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon I have an old Land Rover 110 that has been a project vehicle for 2 years and is now nearing completion. Size-wise, it's about perfect, but it is slow, lumbering, and eats high octane petrol like there's no tomorrow (curse the DOT and EPA for not getting us decent diesel fuel sooner; I'd love to have a nice 300 Tdi rather than the V8). Plus, the HVAC system is useless - pretty much windows up or down. In the plus column, however, it will get you to any slope site you like and then some. It's also got a rooftop tent, which might be nice for those 2-day contests. Let's hear some suggestions! --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
I don't know about it's ultimateness, but my wife's Audi Allroad would fit your criteria perfectly. At a bit less money, and a bit more capacity, a Honda Pilot would be a more utilitarian answer (that's what I drive). Both serve us well in here in Wyoming, with messy passes and forest service roads. Frank -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:22 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon I have an old Land Rover 110 that has been a project vehicle for 2 years and is now nearing completion. Size-wise, it's about perfect, but it is slow, lumbering, and eats high octane petrol like there's no tomorrow (curse the DOT and EPA for not getting us decent diesel fuel sooner; I'd love to have a nice 300 Tdi rather than the V8). Plus, the HVAC system is useless - pretty much windows up or down. In the plus column, however, it will get you to any slope site you like and then some. It's also got a rooftop tent, which might be nice for those 2-day contests. Let's hear some suggestions! --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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At 10:22 AM -0700 5/2/05, Jim Laurel wrote: So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 XC-90, 23+ mpg on hwy(85-90mph) Fit two persons (possible three if the third person does not mind tight space next tor the fuselage and wings)and two 5meter scale ships. plus whatever needed to support them. Brian -- -- * Brian Chan, * AFDD Instrumentation Group, US Army Research Support * Ames Research Center, Mail Stop-215-2, * Bldg 215 Room 120 * Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 * 650-604-0389 FAX 650-604-5173 * e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
You guys are all missing the boat. This is the ultimate soaring car! http://www.newsobserver.com/print/saturday/front/story/2161226p-8542613c.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 3.7L. Fits every criteria. Can be had for $26k. I like the big engine version, but mileage goes to crap and cost can go as high as $38. I can fit 1/4 scale tow plane, two 5M gliders, two 3M gliders, winch, two batteries and all the other stuff needed. Still have one seat free for a pax and can hit any forest service road without concern. -Ben Jim Laurel wrote: So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon I have an old Land Rover 110 that has been a project vehicle for 2 years and is now nearing completion. Size-wise, it's about perfect, but it is slow, lumbering, and eats high octane petrol like there's no tomorrow (curse the DOT and EPA for not getting us decent diesel fuel sooner; I'd love to have a nice 300 Tdi rather than the V8). Plus, the HVAC system is useless - pretty much windows up or down. In the plus column, however, it will get you to any slope site you like and then some. It's also got a rooftop tent, which might be nice for those 2-day contests. Let's hear some suggestions! --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Yes, yes. The Allroad didn't make my list, though it should have. A bit shorter than the A6 Avant, right? Is the Allroad long enough for sailplane bags when the passenger seat is in the fully aft position? One of our club members is considering a Honda Element, which also looks very spacious and practical. I wonder if they come in AWD? -Jim -Original Message- From: Frank Slaughter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:03 AM To: Jim Laurel; soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? I don't know about it's ultimateness, but my wife's Audi Allroad would fit your criteria perfectly. At a bit less money, and a bit more capacity, a Honda Pilot would be a more utilitarian answer (that's what I drive). Both serve us well in here in Wyoming, with messy passes and forest service roads. Frank -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:22 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon I have an old Land Rover 110 that has been a project vehicle for 2 years and is now nearing completion. Size-wise, it's about perfect, but it is slow, lumbering, and eats high octane petrol like there's no tomorrow (curse the DOT and EPA for not getting us decent diesel fuel sooner; I'd love to have a nice 300 Tdi rather than the V8). Plus, the HVAC system is useless - pretty much windows up or down. In the plus column, however, it will get you to any slope site you like and then some. It's also got a rooftop tent, which might be nice for those 2-day contests. Let's hear some suggestions! --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 11:35:58AM -0700, Doug Turner wrote: | You guys are all missing the boat. This is the ultimate soaring car! | | http://www.newsobserver.com/print/saturday/front/story/2161226p-8542613c.html Uh-huh. Only made it to two feet or so if I read the article right. Though it certainly does _look_ cool. A better one would be something like this -- http://www.jims-pages.com/foison/flyingcar.html or this -- http://www.fordpinto.com/mitzar1.htm (Though that one ultimately killed Smolinski and the pilot, Harold Blake.) There have been a few more through the years as well. They really did fly and were somewhat practical, though they never really `took off' (pun intended.) More on them here -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_car To make this soaring related, well, I doubt any of these plane/cars soared well (since they probably hada very high wing loading) and most of them seem to be pretty cramped, so any R/C planes you'd store in them would probably have to be small. Personally, I just bought a Ford Taurus station wagon for my R/C transportation needs. Plenty of room, acceptable gas milage (not great, but acceptable.) Actually, the Mazda 323 I had before that, which is just about as small as cars get, worked pretty good too when I put the back seat down. But the Taurus definately has a lot more room, and I can fill it with people *and* planes at the same time! -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] `When all you've got is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.' RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
I don't know if the Allroad is shorter than the A6 Avant, but I just tried a Jim Bag (about 66 long) and it fit fine with the passenger seat all the way back. Frank -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 2:41 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? Yes, yes. The Allroad didn't make my list, though it should have. A bit shorter than the A6 Avant, right? Is the Allroad long enough for sailplane bags when the passenger seat is in the fully aft position? One of our club members is considering a Honda Element, which also looks very spacious and practical. I wonder if they come in AWD? -Jim -Original Message- From: Frank Slaughter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:03 AM To: Jim Laurel; soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? I don't know about it's ultimateness, but my wife's Audi Allroad would fit your criteria perfectly. At a bit less money, and a bit more capacity, a Honda Pilot would be a more utilitarian answer (that's what I drive). Both serve us well in here in Wyoming, with messy passes and forest service roads. Frank -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:22 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon I have an old Land Rover 110 that has been a project vehicle for 2 years and is now nearing completion. Size-wise, it's about perfect, but it is slow, lumbering, and eats high octane petrol like there's no tomorrow (curse the DOT and EPA for not getting us decent diesel fuel sooner; I'd love to have a nice 300 Tdi rather than the V8). Plus, the HVAC system is useless - pretty much windows up or down. In the plus column, however, it will get you to any slope site you like and then some. It's also got a rooftop tent, which might be nice for those 2-day contests. Let's hear some suggestions! --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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At 10:51 AM 5/2/2005, Stephen Syrotiak wrote: Subject: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? '92 Toyota Camry with 193+K on the clock. Fold down rear seat, carried everything I'll need at a contest, get's 36 mpg. Now it if only had a radio ;-) Bill Johns RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Hey... You missed the best one!!! The VW Vangon!!! Room for many, many planes and sleeping beside. Gas stove and frig. Great mileage, clearance, fast - 75 with ease. Cool beside - this is my fifth - has 284K on it = goes back almost to the microbus - even one psycodelic paint job. wy cooler than the ones you listed cheers Jim On Mon, 02 May 2005 10:22:16 +, Jim Laurel wrote: So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon I have an old Land Rover 110 that has been a project vehicle for 2 years and is now nearing completion. Size-wise, it's about perfect, but it is slow, lumbering, and eats high octane petrol like there's no tomorrow (curse the DOT and EPA for not getting us decent diesel fuel sooner; I'd love to have a nice 300 Tdi rather than the V8). Plus, the HVAC system is useless - pretty much windows up or down. In the plus column, however, it will get you to any slope site you like and then some. It's also got a rooftop tent, which might be nice for those 2-day contests. Let's hear some suggestions! --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
Ben, You are so right. My 4.0L Grand would get 21MPG average overall - better than most Subaru's. Here in Denver, you can get an '05 for about $21K. However, sadly I just traded my '01 for a new Mustang convertible. Terrible soaring car. GREAT beach car. I see a nice beach and a margarita in my future :) Mark -Original Message- From: Ben Diss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:40 PM To: Jim Laurel Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 3.7L. Fits every criteria. Can be had for $26k. I like the big engine version, but mileage goes to crap and cost can go as high as $38. I can fit 1/4 scale tow plane, two 5M gliders, two 3M gliders, winch, two batteries and all the other stuff needed. Still have one seat free for a pax and can hit any forest service road without concern. -Ben *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
Title: RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? What do you have against minivans? -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:22 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon I have an old Land Rover 110 that has been a project vehicle for 2 years and is now nearing completion. Size-wise, it's about perfect, but it is slow, lumbering, and eats high octane petrol like there's no tomorrow (curse the DOT and EPA for not getting us decent diesel fuel sooner; I'd love to have a nice 300 Tdi rather than the V8). Plus, the HVAC system is useless - pretty much windows up or down. In the plus column, however, it will get you to any slope site you like and then some. It's also got a rooftop tent, which might be nice for those 2-day contests. Let's hear some suggestions! --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Ok, ok, everyone... So I know the inclusion of the Sprinter got everyone confused. That was a pretty random item on my list and I would be hard pressed to choose that one. It is, however, a very interesting vehicle. These and similar designs, such as the Ford Transit will eventually replace the traditional American-style full size van. They have superior capacity, maneuverability, economy, and handling. I'm inclined against SUVs as well, due to handling and fuel economy. They do have the space and the ability to travel to slopes, though. My wife has been driving a Land Rover Discovery for almost 10 years now and it is an excellent vehicle. But it eats gas like crazy and is a bit tiring when you're flogging it along on a long trip. If you need the weight bearing capacity, it's great, and it is very very good off road. It seems like a station wagon or car-based SUV might be the best choice. It should be big enough but still a reasonably entertaining drive, which kind of rules out the pickups and truck-based SUVs. However, some of the car-based SUVs will be worth a look. Volvo loaned me an XC90 as a journalist demo once when I was doing an article for Slate's Well Traveled on Scandinavian design. I drove it through Denmark, Sweden and Finland in February, so have a good idea of its winter abilities. I liked it quite a bit, but was a little bothered by its front wheel drive bias. The front wheels would always scratch for grip for a few moments before the abs kicked in and directed some torque to the rear wheels. But that was minor. The best thing about the XC90 was the really clever and flexible rear seating set up. You could carry 4 passengers with skis (or sailplanes) down the middle and gear in the back, seven passengers with all the seats unfolded, fold all the seats and have a big flat space for cargo, 4 passengers with something long running up one side, remove seats altogether or several other combinations. A few hours carving up some rural roads in a good handling car is always good fun! I'm not convinced the Volvo XC90 or XC70 is up to that. The Audi S4 would be really sweet, if only it is big enough for unlimited sailplanes in bags. I'll have to measure it and see. With 340hp, 6 speed stick and AWD in a small station wagon, it's sure to be very entertaining indeed. But clearance might be an issue. The Allroad is just about perfect, and has the clearance, but it's a bad time to buy one, as Audi is updating the styling across the line, and Allroad is due. Maybe a new one by next year, unless they decide that it doesn't make any sense sitting in between the A4 and A6 Avants. I would also assume that they are going to do an S6 Avant, like the A4/S4, ground clearance issue will be a problem. --Jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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2004 FLHTCI and trailer. Carry winch, retriever,4 planes and tools plus your clothes. Get 45 - 52 mph. Did 23,000 miles last year to the contests. It all in what you want. Martin Doney Baldwin, MI(the middle of nowhere) LSF 7429 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? Southeast Version
All this off road stuff must be a West of the Mississippi thing. My favorite is a Mazda RX 7 Convertible. 1. Room for 2 Open Class Planes, Trunk holds: Battery, Winch, Turnaround, Transmitter and a change of clothes and 1spare wingrod. No Passengers. 2. Fast Comfortable 3, 22 MPG 4. We Water Ski in the South. No Mountain Passes (Hill Passes instead) 5. Very Good Driving Dynamics. 6. 2 Wheel drive and little ground clearance gets me to slope site. (2 empty lots between luxury homes) 7. NOT a Minivan I no longer get to drive it to the field. Since I now have to take the retriever and it's battery I just can't quite squeeze it all in. Now I have to use the GMC Sierra Pickup. There are as many favorites as there are people and they are all correct. Isn't life grand!!! Bruce Lewis Birmingham, AL At 12:36 PM 5/2/2005 -0500, Steve Meyer wrote: My favourite choice: Company Car (minivan). Free Gas. Free miles. (130 miles and 170 miles round trip to club fields. (209 and 274 kilometers respectively.)) Steven Meyer SOAR At 12:22 PM 5/2/2005, Jim Laurel wrote: So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Honda Element as in the toaster element... Looks like a toaster... has a name that is a part of a toaster... must be a toaster... My son an I love the link between the two. :-) Jim Laurel wrote: Yes, yes. The Allroad didn't make my list, though it should have. A bit shorter than the A6 Avant, right? Is the Allroad long enough for sailplane bags when the passenger seat is in the fully aft position? One of our club members is considering a Honda Element, which also looks very spacious and practical. I wonder if they come in AWD? -Jim -Original Message- From: Frank Slaughter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:03 AM To: Jim Laurel; soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? I don't know about it's ultimateness, but my wife's Audi Allroad would fit your criteria perfectly. At a bit less money, and a bit more capacity, a Honda Pilot would be a more utilitarian answer (that's what I drive). Both serve us well in here in Wyoming, with messy passes and forest service roads. Frank -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:22 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon I have an old Land Rover 110 that has been a project vehicle for 2 years and is now nearing completion. Size-wise, it's about perfect, but it is slow, lumbering, and eats high octane petrol like there's no tomorrow (curse the DOT and EPA for not getting us decent diesel fuel sooner; I'd love to have a nice 300 Tdi rather than the V8). Plus, the HVAC system is useless - pretty much windows up or down. In the plus column, however, it will get you to any slope site you like and then some. It's also got a rooftop tent, which might be nice for those 2-day contests. Let's hear some suggestions! --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Well, I tell ya my Mini Cooper S does quite a few of these, some better than others. The only thing it doesn't do well is haul planes in boxes since that requires the front seat to be laid down. But take the wings out of the box and lay them between the seats between foam carriers and you are all set. Plus there is nothing quite like 100+mph to the flying field at 25 - 30 mpg. :-) Best of all, it is most definitely *not* an SUV or a Minivan! From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 5/2/2005 1:22 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon I have an old Land Rover 110 that has been a project vehicle for 2 years and is now nearing completion. Size-wise, it's about perfect, but it is slow, lumbering, and eats high octane petrol like there's no tomorrow (curse the DOT and EPA for not getting us decent diesel fuel sooner; I'd love to have a nice 300 Tdi rather than the V8). Plus, the HVAC system is useless - pretty much windows up or down. In the plus column, however, it will get you to any slope site you like and then some. It's also got a rooftop tent, which might be nice for those 2-day contests. Let's hear some suggestions! --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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That being said, if a car or car-like SUC is your choice: The new HYBRID 2006 Lexus RX 400h SUV (i.e. luxury car) City Mileage: 31 mpg, Hwy Mileage: 27 mpg, AWD/4WD http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/rx400h/100521765/researchlanding.html Cameron -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:58 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? Ok, ok, everyone... So I know the inclusion of the Sprinter got everyone confused. That was a pretty random item on my list and I would be hard pressed to choose that one. It is, however, a very interesting vehicle. These and similar designs, such as the Ford Transit will eventually replace the traditional American-style full size van. They have superior capacity, maneuverability, economy, and handling. I'm inclined against SUVs as well, due to handling and fuel economy. They do have the space and the ability to travel to slopes, though. My wife has been driving a Land Rover Discovery for almost 10 years now and it is an excellent vehicle. But it eats gas like crazy and is a bit tiring when you're flogging it along on a long trip. If you need the weight bearing capacity, it's great, and it is very very good off road. It seems like a station wagon or car-based SUV might be the best choice. It should be big enough but still a reasonably entertaining drive, which kind of rules out the pickups and truck-based SUVs. However, some of the car-based SUVs will be worth a look. Volvo loaned me an XC90 as a journalist demo once when I was doing an article for Slate's Well Traveled on Scandinavian design. I drove it through Denmark, Sweden and Finland in February, so have a good idea of its winter abilities. I liked it quite a bit, but was a little bothered by its front wheel drive bias. The front wheels would always scratch for grip for a few moments before the abs kicked in and directed some torque to the rear wheels. But that was minor. The best thing about the XC90 was the really clever and flexible rear seating set up. You could carry 4 passengers with skis (or sailplanes) down the middle and gear in the back, seven passengers with all the seats unfolded, fold all the seats and have a big flat space for cargo, 4 passengers with something long running up one side, remove seats altogether or several other combinations. A few hours carving up some rural roads in a good handling car is always good fun! I'm not convinced the Volvo XC90 or XC70 is up to that. The Audi S4 would be really sweet, if only it is big enough for unlimited sailplanes in bags. I'll have to measure it and see. With 340hp, 6 speed stick and AWD in a small station wagon, it's sure to be very entertaining indeed. But clearance might be an issue. The Allroad is just about perfect, and has the clearance, but it's a bad time to buy one, as Audi is updating the styling across the line, and Allroad is due. Maybe a new one by next year, unless they decide that it doesn't make any sense sitting in between the A4 and A6 Avants. I would also assume that they are going to do an S6 Avant, like the A4/S4, ground clearance issue will be a problem. --Jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? (extreme TRUCK)
Ok, let's take it to the other EXTREME: The UNIMOG truck! http://www.unimogtrucks.com/products/utility.asp Now this is a real man's soaring and recreational vehicle! For those uninitiated, this is a real OFF-ROAD TRUCK! By truck I don't mean a pickup truck, utility truck, or some soccer moms SUV/Minuvan, but a real 4-wheel-drive TRUCK. Some farmers in Africa (and across the world) even use these truck as TRACTORS to pull plows, trailers, haul a lot a crap, and general heavy hauling farm work. Back in the days when I lived in South Africa I used to go hang gliding almost every weekend. The sites that we flew from were typical mountain ridges and mountain tops. Many/most of these sites did not have standard access roads to them. During meets or competitions some people would use these Unimog trucks to haul the hang glider pilots *and* there hang gliders to the top of the mountains. These trucks would go over boulders the size/height of a grown man's hip without a hiccup...! Through a canvas over the back to make it a camper and you can haul as much sh*#$%t as you want, including enough camping gear and supplies to last you several months! *grin* Cameron RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Ultimate soaring Vehicle? My Chevy Avalanche! All the room you need, 4x4 when you need it, 20mpg on the freeway. Makes for the ultimate XC chase vehicle! Ed RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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I know a few would benefit if it was mounted with a bucket. Sure would help in getting those bad landings out of the trees. :-) At 04:29 PM 5/2/2005, Cameron wrote: Ok, let's take it to the other EXTREME: The UNIMOG truck! http://www.unimogtrucks.com/products/utility.asp Now this is a real man's soaring and recreational vehicle! ... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Or just to help spot one out in the corn... 8-) At 05:37 PM 5/2/2005, Steve Meyer wrote: I know a few would benefit if it was mounted with a bucket. Sure would help in getting those bad landings out of the trees. :-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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At 01:43 PM 5/2/2005, Cameron wrote: That being said, if a car or car-like SUC is your choice: The new HYBRID 2006 Lexus RX 400h SUV (i.e. luxury car) City Mileage: 31 mpg, Hwy Mileage: 27 mpg, AWD/4WD http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/rx400h/100521765/researchlanding.html Good Grief, those things are coming in at $48K. Sheiiish, you could buy 3 ICON's for that!!! In the color of your choice, too! Bill RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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I'll second that!! I have an '82 Transporter (the .au name for the vanagon). no stove or fridge but plenty of room for camping and planes. mine has been lowered so the clearance is a little worse than standard but i don't do off road so no problem... they are definitely a nice way to get around and as Jim says, _way_ cooler than any SUV you care to mention. The vanagon synchro models are the way to go if you want 4x4 plus retro cool ;) Paul At 3:37 PM -0400 2/5/05, JIM EALY wrote: Hey... You missed the best one!!! The VW Vangon!!! Room for many, many planes and sleeping beside. Gas stove and frig. Great mileage, clearance, fast - 75 with ease. Cool beside - this is my fifth - has 284K on it = goes back almost to the microbus - even one psycodelic paint job. wy cooler than the ones you listed cheers Jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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I guess no one likes the Dodge Magnum for this category. Myself, I go for my 1997 F150 Supercab with ARE bedcover. Paid for and I can buy a lot of gas with the difference in the price of a new soaring vehicle and the PU. It goes everywhere I need to go to fly. So far. Ed Jett Marion, MS - Original Message - From: Jim Laurel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon I have an old Land Rover 110 that has been a project vehicle for 2 years and is now nearing completion. Size-wise, it's about perfect, but it is slow, lumbering, and eats high octane petrol like there's no tomorrow (curse the DOT and EPA for not getting us decent diesel fuel sooner; I'd love to have a nice 300 Tdi rather than the V8). Plus, the HVAC system is useless - pretty much windows up or down. In the plus column, however, it will get you to any slope site you like and then some. It's also got a rooftop tent, which might be nice for those 2-day contests. Let's hear some suggestions! --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? (extreme TRUCK)
Now these are REALLY interesting machines. We researched these quite a bit for our London Bombay expedition in 2000-2001. The main reason we did't use one was the low top speed (~65mph) and the size. Also, it is too big to fit into a standard ISO 20 ft shipping container, which would wreak havoc on our cross-water logistics. The track is wider than a Roman chariot, which means you are limited when traveling in ancient cities. Up until recent years, Land Rovers have always been narrow enough to fit in tight spots, from the narrow Moorish alleyways in Spain to the Medinas of North Africa and the Middle East. Important stuff for an expedition vehicle. We also considered the HMMV, but quickly dismissed it because of the wide track, lack of parts support along our route, and overly complex mechanicals. HMMVs are really designed with the assumption that you have a motor pool traveling with you. Sorry, haven't finished dispatches past Pakistan yet. http://spectare.com/dispatches/LondonBombayCebu/index.html The Unimog is an exceedingly capable and flexible platform - far superior in every way to the HMMV for military work. I believe they are made in the Steyr-Daimler-Puch factory in Austria, alongside the Pinzgauer, and Geleandewagen. It can be adapted for almost any conceivable purpose from railyard tug to forestry and mining, rescue work, agriculture, and of course numerous military applications. They make great expedition vehicles and have been used as a base platform by Unicat in Germany for years. Parts support is excellent across the globe. Look at these cool Mogs: http://www.unicat.net/en/index2-Gebrauchte.html http://www.unicat.de/ I like the U1250L! They also have a spin-off, TerraCross, building modular expedition vehicles on MAN 6x6 truck platforms: http://www.terracross.com/en/index.html Here's a German guy that built one to a ridiculous level. And to keep this on topic, this truck has an R/C UAV that is used for scouting. Actually, this truck was built by...guess who...Unicat! http://www.maximog.com/ --Jim -Original Message- From: Steve Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:38 PM To: Cameron Cc: 'RCSE' Subject: RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? (extreme TRUCK) I know a few would benefit if it was mounted with a bucket. Sure would help in getting those bad landings out of the trees. :-) At 04:29 PM 5/2/2005, Cameron wrote: Ok, let's take it to the other EXTREME: The UNIMOG truck! http://www.unimogtrucks.com/products/utility.asp Now this is a real man's soaring and recreational vehicle! ... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
We spent Christmas 2003 in Marrakech and New Year 2004 in the edge of the Sahara, near the Algerian border. One day, after coming out of the dunes at dusk, we were hammering along a rocky track and what did we see...a VW Vanagon Synchro coming in the opposite direction! It could only manage about 1/3 the speed of our Land Rovers on the rough track, but he was making his way just fine! Respect. For those of you who are saying aw c'mon Jim, that's a minivan!, I wonder how long a Dodge Caravan or Honda Odyssey would last under those conditions! --Jim -Original Message- From: Paul Jacobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:15 PM To: JIM EALY Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car? I'll second that!! I have an '82 Transporter (the .au name for the vanagon). no stove or fridge but plenty of room for camping and planes. mine has been lowered so the clearance is a little worse than standard but i don't do off road so no problem... they are definitely a nice way to get around and as Jim says, _way_ cooler than any SUV you care to mention. The vanagon synchro models are the way to go if you want 4x4 plus retro cool ;) Paul At 3:37 PM -0400 2/5/05, JIM EALY wrote: Hey... You missed the best one!!! The VW Vangon!!! Room for many, many planes and sleeping beside. Gas stove and frig. Great mileage, clearance, fast - 75 with ease. Cool beside - this is my fifth - has 284K on it = goes back almost to the microbus - even one psycodelic paint job. wy cooler than the ones you listed cheers Jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
That was a Harley Electra Glide Custom Martin Doney Baldwin, MI(the middle of nowhere) LSF 7429 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
Here is what I am thinking about next... http://www.dodge.com/magnum/ Get the RT. 340 HP all wheel drive Nuf Said...lol... I have a Dodge Shelby Charger Pro Rallye Car, but the roll cage/spare tire's and tools makes it really hard to get any kind of model in it.. Dr. Danny Williams Colorado Springs, CO RMSA http://www.rmsadenver.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
