Re: My Speedometer plugin

[Raffaele Fragapane]

It's all relative, actually :p


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Edy Susanto Lim wrote:

> wait.. what's the difference again? example when you run in circle? :p
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Alok Gandhi wrote:
>
>>  There we go again.
>>
>> On 10/17/2013 10:52 AM, Grahame Fuller wrote:
>>
>> It's the other way around. Velocity is a vector, speed is a scalar.
>>
>> gray
>>
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Sam Cuttriss
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:36 PM
>> To: softimage
>> Subject: Re: My Speedometer plugin
>>
>> hahaha, technically correct.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Raffaele Fragapane 
>> mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> 
>> > wrote:
>> Twice the velocity is actually perfectly possible if you're allowed to alter 
>> the direction when you double the magnitude :p
>> It's twice the speed that's impossible.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Sam Cuttriss 
>> mailto:tea...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> i shit you not:
>>
>> In the same amount of time,
>> travel the same distance,
>> but at twice the velocity
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ALOK
>>
>> GANDHI
>>
>> / directeur technique senior- senior technical director
>>
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>>
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>>
>> F:
>> 450 430-0009
>> www.modusfx.com
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: My Speedometer plugin

[Edy Susanto Lim]

wait.. what's the difference again? example when you run in circle? :p


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Alok Gandhi wrote:

>  There we go again.
>
> On 10/17/2013 10:52 AM, Grahame Fuller wrote:
>
> It's the other way around. Velocity is a vector, speed is a scalar.
>
> gray
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Sam Cuttriss
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: softimage
> Subject: Re: My Speedometer plugin
>
> hahaha, technically correct.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Raffaele Fragapane 
> mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> 
> > wrote:
> Twice the velocity is actually perfectly possible if you're allowed to alter 
> the direction when you double the magnitude :p
> It's twice the speed that's impossible.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Sam Cuttriss 
> mailto:tea...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> i shit you not:
>
> In the same amount of time,
> travel the same distance,
> but at twice the velocity
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> ALOK
>
> GANDHI
>
> / directeur technique senior- senior technical director
>
> alok.gan...@modusfx.com
>
> T:
> *450 430-0010 x225
>
> F:
> 450 430-0009
> www.modusfx.com
>
>
> -
>
> MODUS
>
> FX
>
> 120 Rue Turgeon,
>
> Sainte-Therese (Quebec) CANADA J7E 3J1
>
> Follow us on
> Facebook 
>
> &
> Twitter 
> *
>



-- 
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TD
http://sawamura.neorack.com

Re: Global Python interpreter?

[Raffaele Fragapane]

Django extensively uses a lot of Python tricks, as you'd expect from such a
Python centric project :)
As such, it's usually worth dissecting for inspiration regularly. I haven't
looked at it in a while actually, but it until a couple years ago it did a
fair bit of both, magic pattern for the plugin side of things, and
metaclasses for... well, practically everything :p

Meta classes get called magic for magic methods and extensive decorator
use, but the pattern is still called Meta Class Pattern.
The Magic Pattern (which is far from formal, you only hear it very
sporadically and only on a couple projects) refers to on-the-fly modules,
and it's usually pitched against registry and plugin patterns alternatives.


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Alok Gandhi wrote:

> As far as I know Django extensively employs python meta classes for the
> magic stuff. Python Meta Class concept is extremely powerful in case one is
> curious enough to learn it.
>
> Alok.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 17, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
> raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm sure you're used to Maya, where the environment gets cluttered with
> anything and everything you run, in XSI as Steve mentioned you get a clean
> engine every tab, every run.
> Good and bad to it (personally I find it generally more good than bad
> compared to a constantly and unpredictably stale environment and the
> contents of my text editor nuked if I forget to hold down control :p).
>
> If you want something to be available across the board you can simply
> write it, register it as a module, and push it. No need for it to exist as
> a file.
> Django in example uses a lot of really clever module magic, so it's always
> a good inspiration.
> As for what is becoming known as the magic pattern:
> http://www.b-list.org/weblog/2007/dec/03/making-magic/
>
> It's a little bit of work the first time around, but once you get the hang
> of it a template that allows you to dump in, alter, or remove anything from
> a transitional module is pretty easy to produce and will be a good
> investment of your time.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Sergio Mucino 
> wrote:
>
>>  Thanks Stephen. That would work for stuff I want to keep around and
>> re-use, but sometimes, I'm just doing quick-n-dirty work where I would like
>> to define a function, and then be able to call it whenever I want.
>> Use-n-dispose, I guess. I can do that just fine in other apps, but in
>> Softimage, it forces me to keep the function around and copy/paste it to
>> the tab where I will need it, calling it at the end. I don't save it to
>> disk, because I keep changing stuff and redefining it as I go, so my
>> options are limited.
>> Anyway, thanks for confirming my suspicions. Cheers!
>>
>>


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Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

It's a video and it's in Spanish, but I think it's modeling and rendering
that was done in Maya
Le 2013-10-17 19:02, "Bradley Gabe"  a écrit :

> The least you guys could do is issue forth a correction. One way would be
> to color correct (darken) and composite the Maya logo into the interface.
> If that proves too difficult, you could always have the client go back and
> redo the work in Maya. ;-)
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Maurice Patel  > wrote:
>
>> You are right, but experts are not infallible either. I have been in the
>> industry since the early 90s first as a trainer then as a product designer
>> and now in Marketing and I still make mistakes :(. We actually do have
>> teams of experts in Marketing but we also have interns and we empower the
>> latter because we find it helps us see who is going to make a great future
>> employee versus who is not. If you don't let your staff risk failure how
>> can they really succeed? It is amusing though and someone is going to be a
>> little embarrassed here.
>>
>> Maurice Patel
>> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134recipients are thus advised that the
>> content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and
>> may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not
>> necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand,
>> Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are
>> subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the
>> contrary.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Global Python interpreter?

[Alok Gandhi]

As far as I know Django extensively employs python meta classes for the magic 
stuff. Python Meta Class concept is extremely powerful in case one is curious 
enough to learn it.

Alok.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 17, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Raffaele Fragapane  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm sure you're used to Maya, where the environment gets cluttered with 
> anything and everything you run, in XSI as Steve mentioned you get a clean 
> engine every tab, every run.
> Good and bad to it (personally I find it generally more good than bad 
> compared to a constantly and unpredictably stale environment and the contents 
> of my text editor nuked if I forget to hold down control :p).
> 
> If you want something to be available across the board you can simply write 
> it, register it as a module, and push it. No need for it to exist as a file.
> Django in example uses a lot of really clever module magic, so it's always a 
> good inspiration.
> As for what is becoming known as the magic pattern:
> http://www.b-list.org/weblog/2007/dec/03/making-magic/
> 
> It's a little bit of work the first time around, but once you get the hang of 
> it a template that allows you to dump in, alter, or remove anything from a 
> transitional module is pretty easy to produce and will be a good investment 
> of your time.
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Sergio Mucino  
>> wrote:
>> Thanks Stephen. That would work for stuff I want to keep around and 
>> re-use, but sometimes, I'm just doing quick-n-dirty work where I would like 
>> to define a function, and then be able to call it whenever I want. 
>> Use-n-dispose, I guess. I can do that just fine in other apps, but in 
>> Softimage, it forces me to keep the function around and copy/paste it to the 
>> tab where I will need it, calling it at the end. I don't save it to disk, 
>> because I keep changing stuff and redefining it as I go, so my options are 
>> limited.
>> Anyway, thanks for confirming my suspicions. Cheers!

Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Bradley Gabe]

The least you guys could do is issue forth a correction. One way would be
to color correct (darken) and composite the Maya logo into the interface.
If that proves too difficult, you could always have the client go back and
redo the work in Maya. ;-)


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Maurice Patel
wrote:

> You are right, but experts are not infallible either. I have been in the
> industry since the early 90s first as a trainer then as a product designer
> and now in Marketing and I still make mistakes :(. We actually do have
> teams of experts in Marketing but we also have interns and we empower the
> latter because we find it helps us see who is going to make a great future
> employee versus who is not. If you don't let your staff risk failure how
> can they really succeed? It is amusing though and someone is going to be a
> little embarrassed here.
>
> Maurice Patel
> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134recipients are thus advised that the content
> of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may
> contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not
> necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand,
> Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are
> subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the
> contrary.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Global Python interpreter?

[Sergio Mucino]

  
  
Thanks a lot guys! I'll check this out. Cheers all!

  

On 17/10/2013 6:22 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote:

  I'm sure you're used to Maya, where the environment
gets cluttered with anything and everything you run, in XSI as
Steve mentioned you get a clean engine every tab, every run.
Good and bad to it (personally I find it generally more
  good than bad compared to a constantly and unpredictably stale
  environment and the contents of my text editor nuked if I
  forget to hold down control :p).


If you want something to be available across the
  board you can simply write it, register it as a module, and
  push it. No need for it to exist as a file.
Django in example uses a lot of really clever
  module magic, so it's always a good inspiration.
As for what is becoming known as the magic
  pattern:
http://www.b-list.org/weblog/2007/dec/03/making-magic/


  

It's a little bit of work the first time around,
  but once you get the hang of it a template that allows you to
  dump in, alter, or remove anything from a transitional module
  is pretty easy to produce and will be a good investment of
  your time.

  

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:50 AM,
  Sergio Mucino 
  wrote:
  
 Thanks Stephen.
  That would work for stuff I want to keep around and
  re-use, but sometimes, I'm just doing quick-n-dirty
  work where I would like to define a function, and then
  be able to call it whenever I want. Use-n-dispose, I
  guess. I can do that just fine in other apps, but in
  Softimage, it forces me to keep the function around
  and copy/paste it to the tab where I will need it,
  calling it at the end. I don't save it to disk,
  because I keep changing stuff and redefining it as I
  go, so my options are limited.
  Anyway, thanks for confirming my suspicions. Cheers!
  
  

  

  

  

  

RE: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Maurice Patel]

You are right, but experts are not infallible either. I have been in the 
industry since the early 90s first as a trainer then as a product designer and 
now in Marketing and I still make mistakes :(. We actually do have teams of 
experts in Marketing but we also have interns and we empower the latter because 
we find it helps us see who is going to make a great future employee versus who 
is not. If you don't let your staff risk failure how can they really succeed? 
It is amusing though and someone is going to be a little embarrassed here.

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lampi
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 6:19 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think many people expect marketing to 
be "experts". At bare minimum, perhaps knowing what their software looks like 
at a glance is a reasonable expectation?
Either way, I don't care if you vet or not. It's still amusing.

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http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Maurice Patel 
mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
Hi Eric,

I do. Typically we always credit all software used on facebook even when it is 
competitors which is why you will see product like Z-Brush mentioned on our 
pages. A lot of staff post under the Autodesk account. I cannot vet it all 
personally and I don't think Social Media should all be vetted. Some mistakes 
happen. And for sure not everyone on the Marketing teams are Softimage or even 
M&E experts. The mistake was almost certainly unintentional

Maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Eric Lampi
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

Speaking of marketing, the other day on Facebook they had a link posted to an 
article about a short that was being made, with the tagline, "See how Maya was 
used for all of the modeling and rigging" with a picture of an artist at his 
workstation using a SoftImage rig to animate.

Freelance 3D and VFX animator

http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Leoung O'Young 
mailto:digim...@digimata.com>>>
 wrote:
Who actually looks after their marketing/public relations? Is the Softimage/XSI 
user base so small, they don't give a hoot!
What a way to run a business.

On 10/17/2013 1:55 PM, Matt Lind wrote:
That's for financial reporting with regards to accuracy and disclosure of 
accounting practices for sake of accountability to investors and the SEC.

A company can provide NDAs and discuss plans of various natures without running 
into problems.  They can also give glimpses publicly as demonstrated at the 
Siggraph user group where they showed forward looking technologies related to 
Maya.  They can do the same with the other products and not run afoul of the 
SEC.  Sharing a broad overview of where they see the individual products 
heading isn't an issue either as long as it's done on the level.  Other 
companies of heavier weight and broader visibility have been more open than 
Autodesk. It is Autodesk that has chosen to be opaque creating a sense of 
distrust amongst their customers.

In the long run that will be Autodesk's undoing as they're serving a market 
which doesn't have a lot of loyalty.

Matt



From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:38 AM
To: 
softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: Autodesk´s Sales model

Sarbanes Oxley...


--
Joey Ponthieux

__
Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not
represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: Thursday, Octobe

Re: Global Python interpreter?

[Raffaele Fragapane]

I'm sure you're used to Maya, where the environment gets cluttered with
anything and everything you run, in XSI as Steve mentioned you get a clean
engine every tab, every run.
Good and bad to it (personally I find it generally more good than bad
compared to a constantly and unpredictably stale environment and the
contents of my text editor nuked if I forget to hold down control :p).

If you want something to be available across the board you can simply write
it, register it as a module, and push it. No need for it to exist as a file.
Django in example uses a lot of really clever module magic, so it's always
a good inspiration.
As for what is becoming known as the magic pattern:
http://www.b-list.org/weblog/2007/dec/03/making-magic/

It's a little bit of work the first time around, but once you get the hang
of it a template that allows you to dump in, alter, or remove anything from
a transitional module is pretty easy to produce and will be a good
investment of your time.


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Sergio Mucino wrote:

>  Thanks Stephen. That would work for stuff I want to keep around and
> re-use, but sometimes, I'm just doing quick-n-dirty work where I would like
> to define a function, and then be able to call it whenever I want.
> Use-n-dispose, I guess. I can do that just fine in other apps, but in
> Softimage, it forces me to keep the function around and copy/paste it to
> the tab where I will need it, calling it at the end. I don't save it to
> disk, because I keep changing stuff and redefining it as I go, so my
> options are limited.
> Anyway, thanks for confirming my suspicions. Cheers!
>
>

Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Eric Lampi]

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think many people expect marketing
to be "experts". At bare minimum, perhaps knowing what their software looks
like at a glance is a reasonable expectation?

Either way, I don't care if you vet or not. It's still amusing.




Freelance 3D and VFX animator

http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Maurice Patel
wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> I do. Typically we always credit all software used on facebook even when
> it is competitors which is why you will see product like Z-Brush mentioned
> on our pages. A lot of staff post under the Autodesk account. I cannot vet
> it all personally and I don't think Social Media should all be vetted. Some
> mistakes happen. And for sure not everyone on the Marketing teams are
> Softimage or even M&E experts. The mistake was almost certainly
> unintentional
>
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lampi
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:38 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
>
> Speaking of marketing, the other day on Facebook they had a link posted to
> an article about a short that was being made, with the tagline, "See how
> Maya was used for all of the modeling and rigging" with a picture of an
> artist at his workstation using a SoftImage rig to animate.
>
> Freelance 3D and VFX animator
>
> http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Leoung O'Young  > wrote:
> Who actually looks after their marketing/public relations? Is the
> Softimage/XSI user base so small, they don't give a hoot!
> What a way to run a business.
>
> On 10/17/2013 1:55 PM, Matt Lind wrote:
> That's for financial reporting with regards to accuracy and disclosure of
> accounting practices for sake of accountability to investors and the SEC.
>
> A company can provide NDAs and discuss plans of various natures without
> running into problems.  They can also give glimpses publicly as
> demonstrated at the Siggraph user group where they showed forward looking
> technologies related to Maya.  They can do the same with the other products
> and not run afoul of the SEC.  Sharing a broad overview of where they see
> the individual products heading isn't an issue either as long as it's done
> on the level.  Other companies of heavier weight and broader visibility
> have been more open than Autodesk. It is Autodesk that has chosen to be
> opaque creating a sense of distrust amongst their customers.
>
> In the long run that will be Autodesk's undoing as they're serving a
> market which doesn't have a lot of loyalty.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Ponthieux, Joseph
> G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES]
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:38 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >
> Subject: RE: Autodesk´s Sales model
>
> Sarbanes Oxley...
>
>
> --
> Joey Ponthieux
>
> __
> Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not
> represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:15 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >
> Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
>
> and then someone is wondering why people are thinking worse and creating
> all sort of conspiracy theories...
> it doesnt need to be like detailed road map but where software as such is
> going at all.. or is it being ripped apart by Maya vultures and left to rot
> or they will keep it on life at least with artificial breathing
> machines...OR try to build an nice strong guy to stay with us for looong
> time...
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Angus Davidson  > wrote:
> Oh I am fairly sure We will never get point b. It just means their
> subscription model will fail. The worlds economy is in too poor a place for
> people to continue throwing money at something and hoping for the best.
>
>
> 
> From: Sergio Mucino [sergio.muc...@modusfx.com sergio.muc...@modusfx.com>]
> Sent: 17 October 2013 04:42 PM
>
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >
> Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
>
> I really don't think you'll EVER get point B in your list from Autodesk.
> The best you can do to sort of extrapolate into something similar is keep
> an eye on whatever's going on at Autodesk Labs. That's it. Anyone who
> believes they can convince, beg, or coerce AD to reveal thei

Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

"Sharing a broad overview of where they see the individual products
heading isn’t an issue either as long as it’s done on the level."

unfortunately, that's not the case.  Because plans can change, so
where "a product is heading" can change too.  And those change will
screw up the booking of maintenance revenue, because customers did not
get the product they thought they paid for in advance.  This is what
sarbane oxley was looking at: dotcom companies that book revenue for
product they never delivered. Avid is presently on the border of
getting delisted from NASDAQ because of this exact reason.  They are
reviewing and preparing to re-state their revenue of the last few
years; they're juggling a few related class action lawsuits from
investors.  It's a problem specific to prepaid upgrades maintenance
plans.

It only affects public companies, of course, since it's a revenue
reporting issue.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Matt Lind  wrote:
>
> That’s for financial reporting with regards to accuracy and disclosure of 
> accounting practices for sake of accountability to investors and the SEC.
>
>
>
> A company can provide NDAs and discuss plans of various natures without 
> running into problems.  They can also give glimpses publicly as demonstrated 
> at the Siggraph user group where they showed forward looking technologies 
> related to Maya.  They can do the same with the other products and not run 
> afoul of the SEC.  Sharing a broad overview of where they see the individual 
> products heading isn’t an issue either as long as it’s done on the level.  
> Other companies of heavier weight and broader visibility have been more open 
> than Autodesk. It is Autodesk that has chosen to be opaque creating a sense 
> of distrust amongst their customers.
>
> In the long run that will be Autodesk’s undoing as they’re serving a market 
> which doesn’t have a lot of loyalty.
>

Re: Global Python interpreter?

[Alok Gandhi]

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RE: Global Python interpreter?

[Marc-Andre Belzile]

Use a command ?

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sergio Mucino
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:50 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Global Python interpreter?

Thanks Stephen. That would work for stuff I want to keep around and re-use, but 
sometimes, I'm just doing quick-n-dirty work where I would like to define a 
function, and then be able to call it whenever I want. Use-n-dispose, I guess. 
I can do that just fine in other apps, but in Softimage, it forces me to keep 
the function around and copy/paste it to the tab where I will need it, calling 
it at the end. I don't save it to disk, because I keep changing stuff and 
redefining it as I go, so my options are limited.
Anyway, thanks for confirming my suspicions. Cheers!

[cid:image001.gif@01CECB48.9781C0B0]

On 17/10/2013 11:47 AM, Stephen Blair wrote:
That's right, Softimage is always creating new and separate instances of the 
scripting engine to run code. There isn't a way to add global code that 
Softimage will insert into every new instance of the scripting engine.

So, maybe put that code in a module, or in a special custom command that you 
keep around for that purpose?

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Sergio Mucino 
mailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com>> wrote:
I can't be sure about this, but it seems like each tab in the Script Editor 
spawns its own (local) instance of the Python interpreter. If I create a 
function in a script on one tab, I cannot call it from within a different tab.
Does anyone know of a way of evaluating "global" functions? I would like to 
create a function, evaluate it, and have it remain in memory for it to be 
called from any other tab/script running in the current session.
Thanks for any help!
--
[cid:image001.gif@01CECB48.9781C0B0]

<>

Re: Global Python interpreter?

[Sergio Mucino]

  
  
Thanks Stephen. That would work for stuff I want to keep around and
re-use, but sometimes, I'm just doing quick-n-dirty work where I
would like to define a function, and then be able to call it
whenever I want. Use-n-dispose, I guess. I can do that just fine in
other apps, but in Softimage, it forces me to keep the function
around and copy/paste it to the tab where I will need it, calling it
at the end. I don't save it to disk, because I keep changing stuff
and redefining it as I go, so my options are limited.
Anyway, thanks for confirming my suspicions. Cheers!

  

On 17/10/2013 11:47 AM, Stephen Blair wrote:

  That's right, Softimage is always creating new and
separate instances of the scripting engine to run code. There
isn't a way to add global code that Softimage will insert into
every new instance of the scripting engine.


So, maybe put that code in a module, or in a special custom
  command that you keep around for that purpose?
  
  

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM,
  Sergio Mucino 
  wrote:
  
 I can't be sure about
  this, but it seems like each tab in the Script Editor
  spawns its own (local) instance of the Python interpreter.
  If I create a function in a script on one tab, I cannot
  call it from within a different tab.
  Does anyone know of a way of evaluating "global"
  functions? I would like to create a function, evaluate it,
  and have it remain in memory for it to be called from any
  other tab/script running in the current session.
  Thanks for any help!
  -- 


  


  

  

RE: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Matt Lind]

That's for financial reporting with regards to accuracy and disclosure of 
accounting practices for sake of accountability to investors and the SEC.

A company can provide NDAs and discuss plans of various natures without running 
into problems.  They can also give glimpses publicly as demonstrated at the 
Siggraph user group where they showed forward looking technologies related to 
Maya.  They can do the same with the other products and not run afoul of the 
SEC.  Sharing a broad overview of where they see the individual products 
heading isn't an issue either as long as it's done on the level.  Other 
companies of heavier weight and broader visibility have been more open than 
Autodesk. It is Autodesk that has chosen to be opaque creating a sense of 
distrust amongst their customers.

In the long run that will be Autodesk's undoing as they're serving a market 
which doesn't have a lot of loyalty.

Matt



From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Ponthieux, Joseph 
G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:38 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Autodesk´s Sales model

Sarbanes Oxley...


--
Joey Ponthieux

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Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not
represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:15 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

and then someone is wondering why people are thinking worse and creating all 
sort of conspiracy theories...
it doesnt need to be like detailed road map but where software as such is going 
at all.. or is it being ripped apart by Maya vultures and left to rot or they 
will keep it on life at least with artificial breathing machines...OR try to 
build an nice strong guy to stay with us for looong time...

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Angus Davidson 
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:
Oh I am fairly sure We will never get point b. It just means their subscription 
model will fail. The worlds economy is in too poor a place for people to 
continue throwing money at something and hoping for the best.



From: Sergio Mucino 
[sergio.muc...@modusfx.com]
Sent: 17 October 2013 04:42 PM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

I really don't think you'll EVER get point B in your list from Autodesk. The 
best you can do to sort of extrapolate into something similar is keep an eye on 
whatever's going on at Autodesk Labs. That's it. Anyone who believes they can 
convince, beg, or coerce AD to reveal their roadmaps to the public has clearly 
never had to deal with AD's legal department. :-)

[cid:image001.gif@01CECB27.3FD26840]

On 16/10/2013 11:37 PM, Angus Davidson wrote:
I have nothing against a subscription model. if done well it can work really 
well. However subscription only works well if you have the following.

a) Getting value for money (percieved or actual)
b) There is an openness about what is coming up in future releases

Without that there is zero incentive for people to put money down on something 
that is a big unknown.

An easy way to fix point a) is to have more releases a year. There is no reason 
you cant have two or even three releases a year. Currently you have one and its 
pretty much a crap-shoot as to whether you get anything worthwhile.

Well the way to fix point b is pretty obvious. When you have a subscription 
model you cant hide behind we are a listed company bullshit anymore. Its a very 
different thing to having people buy something they know about, to making your 
customers take all the risk of putting money down in the vague hope of getting 
something useful. If you want subscription to work you have to have a roadmap 
its simply a non negotiable thing.



From: Mirko Jankovic 
[mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 October 2013 12:16 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
Actually no-one as I'm aware of ever mentioned problem with price of 
subscription but subscription it self.
Tool that is worth thousands but earns you even more than that is good 
investment.
An $1 screwdriver that you will never ever use is waste of money and bad 
investment.
Throwing any kind of $$$ at subscription and not getting anything back .. what 
basked does that goes for?

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Raffaele Fragapane 
mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
This pretty much hits the nail on the head IMO.

A number of

RE: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES]]

Sarbanes Oxley...


--
Joey Ponthieux

__
Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not
represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:15 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

and then someone is wondering why people are thinking worse and creating all 
sort of conspiracy theories...
it doesnt need to be like detailed road map but where software as such is going 
at all.. or is it being ripped apart by Maya vultures and left to rot or they 
will keep it on life at least with artificial breathing machines...OR try to 
build an nice strong guy to stay with us for looong time...

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Angus Davidson 
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:
Oh I am fairly sure We will never get point b. It just means their subscription 
model will fail. The worlds economy is in too poor a place for people to 
continue throwing money at something and hoping for the best.



From: Sergio Mucino 
[sergio.muc...@modusfx.com]
Sent: 17 October 2013 04:42 PM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

I really don't think you'll EVER get point B in your list from Autodesk. The 
best you can do to sort of extrapolate into something similar is keep an eye on 
whatever's going on at Autodesk Labs. That's it. Anyone who believes they can 
convince, beg, or coerce AD to reveal their roadmaps to the public has clearly 
never had to deal with AD's legal department. :-)

[cid:image001.gif@01CECB35.A8C60CE0]

On 16/10/2013 11:37 PM, Angus Davidson wrote:
I have nothing against a subscription model. if done well it can work really 
well. However subscription only works well if you have the following.

a) Getting value for money (percieved or actual)
b) There is an openness about what is coming up in future releases

Without that there is zero incentive for people to put money down on something 
that is a big unknown.

An easy way to fix point a) is to have more releases a year. There is no reason 
you cant have two or even three releases a year. Currently you have one and its 
pretty much a crap-shoot as to whether you get anything worthwhile.

Well the way to fix point b is pretty obvious. When you have a subscription 
model you cant hide behind we are a listed company bullshit anymore. Its a very 
different thing to having people buy something they know about, to making your 
customers take all the risk of putting money down in the vague hope of getting 
something useful. If you want subscription to work you have to have a roadmap 
its simply a non negotiable thing.



From: Mirko Jankovic 
[mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 October 2013 12:16 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
Actually no-one as I'm aware of ever mentioned problem with price of 
subscription but subscription it self.
Tool that is worth thousands but earns you even more than that is good 
investment.
An $1 screwdriver that you will never ever use is waste of money and bad 
investment.
Throwing any kind of $$$ at subscription and not getting anything back .. what 
basked does that goes for?

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Raffaele Fragapane 
mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
This pretty much hits the nail on the head IMO.

A number of factors converging has made it so that people have been slowly 
conditioned to think DCC software and its sales and updates right now are OK to 
be as cheap as they are on the frontload expenditure (a couple to three and 
half grands for software with some of the largest and most varied and complex 
sets of functionalities ever), and something worth "subscribing" to.

The truth is subscription, in any sane world, would require a vibrant, lively 
and worthy eco-system of user base, community and software support.

At present time subscription means you get the occasional SP/ext, which is 
usually borked beyond repair and will take another couple fixes to be fixed, or 
will be fixed in the next major (Maya 2014 ext had a bucketload of features but 
turned out unusably broken due to a ridiculously nasty shapes bug). At one 
point upgrading becomes a game of what bugs you can live with, the old ones you 
know, or the new ones introduced elsewhere while fixing those.
Solid releases exist, of course, at least within restricted domains of 
functionalities one might be interested in, and that's why often times people 
stick to a release for five years. It's not that they don't want to upgrad, 
it's that it's the ONE safe spot in a bloody mine field of bugs and 

Re: Global Python interpreter?

[Stephen Blair]

That's right, Softimage is always creating new and separate instances of
the scripting engine to run code. There isn't a way to add global code that
Softimage will insert into every new instance of the scripting engine.

So, maybe put that code in a module, or in a special custom command that
you keep around for that purpose?


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Sergio Mucino
wrote:

>  I can't be sure about this, but it seems like each tab in the Script
> Editor spawns its own (local) instance of the Python interpreter. If I
> create a function in a script on one tab, I cannot call it from within a
> different tab.
> Does anyone know of a way of evaluating "global" functions? I would like
> to create a function, evaluate it, and have it remain in memory for it to
> be called from any other tab/script running in the current session.
> Thanks for any help!
> --
>
<>

Re: My Speedometer plugin

[Alok Gandhi]

There we go again.
On 10/17/2013 10:52 AM, Grahame Fuller wrote:

It's the other way around. Velocity is a vector, speed is a scalar.

gray

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sam Cuttriss
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:36 PM
To: softimage
Subject: Re: My Speedometer plugin

hahaha, technically correct.




On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Raffaele Fragapane 
mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
Twice the velocity is actually perfectly possible if you're allowed to alter 
the direction when you double the magnitude :p
It's twice the speed that's impossible.


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Sam Cuttriss 
mailto:tea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
i shit you not:

In the same amount of time,
travel the same distance,
but at twice the velocity






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Global Python interpreter?

[Sergio Mucino]

  
  
I can't be sure about this, but it seems like each tab in the Script
Editor spawns its own (local) instance of the Python interpreter. If
I create a function in a script on one tab, I cannot call it from
within a different tab.
Does anyone know of a way of evaluating "global" functions? I would
like to create a function, evaluate it, and have it remain in memory
for it to be called from any other tab/script running in the current
session.
Thanks for any help!
-- 
  
  

Re: looking for motion capture...

[Chris Johnson]

thanks guys...just what I needed


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Chris Johnson  wrote:

> cool...thanks I'll dig through that stuff
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM, David Barosin wrote:
>
>> The crowdFX characters have a decent batch of mocap.
>>
>>
>> Motor is also an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Chris Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone...been off in Houdini land for a year or soshaking off
>>> the XSI cobwebs...I need some humanoid geo with motion capture for a proof
>>> of concept thing...I would have even used the old disco bot from XSI
>>> samples if I could fins him but I can't...anyone got access to anything
>>> like this or is there a free xsi motion capture tutorial out there
>>> somewhere I can use?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Mirko Jankovic]

and then someone is wondering why people are thinking worse and creating
all sort of conspiracy theories...
it doesnt need to be like detailed road map but where software as such is
going at all.. or is it being ripped apart by Maya vultures and left to rot
or they will keep it on life at least with artificial breathing
machines...OR try to build an nice strong guy to stay with us for looong
time...


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Angus Davidson
wrote:

>  Oh I am fairly sure We will never get point b. It just means their
> subscription model will fail. The worlds economy is in too poor a place for
> people to continue throwing money at something and hoping for the best.
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Sergio Mucino [sergio.muc...@modusfx.com]
> *Sent:* 17 October 2013 04:42 PM
>
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
>
>  I really don't think you'll EVER get point B in your list from Autodesk.
> The best you can do to sort of extrapolate into something similar is keep
> an eye on whatever's going on at Autodesk Labs. That's it. Anyone who
> believes they can convince, beg, or coerce AD to reveal their roadmaps to
> the public has clearly never had to deal with AD's legal department. :-)
>
>
> On 16/10/2013 11:37 PM, Angus Davidson wrote:
>
> I have nothing against a subscription model. if done well it can work
> really well. However subscription only works well if you have the
> following.
>
>  a) Getting value for money (percieved or actual)
> b) There is an openness about what is coming up in future releases
>
>  Without that there is zero incentive for people to put money down on
> something that is a big unknown.
>
>  An easy way to fix point a) is to have more releases a year. There is no
> reason you cant have two or even three releases a year. Currently you have
> one and its pretty much a crap-shoot as to whether you get anything
> worthwhile.
>
>  Well the way to fix point b is pretty obvious. When you have a
> subscription model you cant hide behind we are a listed company bullshit
> anymore. Its a very different thing to having people buy something they
> know about, to making your customers take all the risk of putting money
> down in the vague hope of getting something useful. If you want
> subscription to work you have to have a roadmap its simply a non negotiable
> thing.
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Mirko Jankovic [mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 17 October 2013 12:16 AM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
>
>  Actually no-one as I'm aware of ever mentioned problem with price of
> subscription but subscription it self.
> Tool that is worth thousands but earns you even more than that is good
> investment.
> An $1 screwdriver that you will never ever use is waste of money and bad
> investment.
> Throwing any kind of $$$ at subscription and not getting anything back ..
> what basked does that goes for?
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Raffaele Fragapane <
> raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> This pretty much hits the nail on the head IMO.
>>
>>  A number of factors converging has made it so that people have been
>> slowly conditioned to think DCC software and its sales and updates right
>> now are OK to be as cheap as they are on the frontload expenditure (a
>> couple to three and half grands for software with some of the largest and
>> most varied and complex sets of functionalities ever), and something worth
>> "subscribing" to.
>>
>>  The truth is subscription, in any sane world, would require a vibrant,
>> lively and worthy eco-system of user base, community and software support.
>>
>>  At present time subscription means you get the occasional SP/ext, which
>> is usually borked beyond repair and will take another couple fixes to be
>> fixed, or will be fixed in the next major (Maya 2014 ext had a bucketload
>> of features but turned out unusably broken due to a ridiculously nasty
>> shapes bug). At one point upgrading becomes a game of what bugs you can
>> live with, the old ones you know, or the new ones introduced elsewhere
>> while fixing those.
>> Solid releases exist, of course, at least within restricted domains of
>> functionalities one might be interested in, and that's why often times
>> people stick to a release for five years. It's not that they don't want to
>> upgrad, it's that it's the ONE safe spot in a bloody mine field of bugs and
>> disasters that are behind you (older versions that didn't work), and around
>> you (new versions that break a different piece every time).
>>
>>  There is no community support worth mentioning, the Area is a wasteland
>> of despair where the only noise is that of noob souls wailing in despair,
>> the "app shop" useless (the few contributors are all giving up on it when
>> it takes weeks to months for AD to clear a free minor update to their
>> stuff).
>> There is no such thing as a quick fix, let alone 

RE: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Angus Davidson]

Oh I am fairly sure We will never get point b. It just means their subscription 
model will fail. The worlds economy is in too poor a place for people to 
continue throwing money at something and hoping for the best.



From: Sergio Mucino [sergio.muc...@modusfx.com]
Sent: 17 October 2013 04:42 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

I really don't think you'll EVER get point B in your list from Autodesk. The 
best you can do to sort of extrapolate into something similar is keep an eye on 
whatever's going on at Autodesk Labs. That's it. Anyone who believes they can 
convince, beg, or coerce AD to reveal their roadmaps to the public has clearly 
never had to deal with AD's legal department. :-)

[cid:part1.07030808.09010002@modusfx.com]

On 16/10/2013 11:37 PM, Angus Davidson wrote:
I have nothing against a subscription model. if done well it can work really 
well. However subscription only works well if you have the following.

a) Getting value for money (percieved or actual)
b) There is an openness about what is coming up in future releases

Without that there is zero incentive for people to put money down on something 
that is a big unknown.

An easy way to fix point a) is to have more releases a year. There is no reason 
you cant have two or even three releases a year. Currently you have one and its 
pretty much a crap-shoot as to whether you get anything worthwhile.

Well the way to fix point b is pretty obvious. When you have a subscription 
model you cant hide behind we are a listed company bullshit anymore. Its a very 
different thing to having people buy something they know about, to making your 
customers take all the risk of putting money down in the vague hope of getting 
something useful. If you want subscription to work you have to have a roadmap 
its simply a non negotiable thing.



From: Mirko Jankovic 
[mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 October 2013 12:16 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

Actually no-one as I'm aware of ever mentioned problem with price of 
subscription but subscription it self.
Tool that is worth thousands but earns you even more than that is good 
investment.
An $1 screwdriver that you will never ever use is waste of money and bad 
investment.
Throwing any kind of $$$ at subscription and not getting anything back .. what 
basked does that goes for?


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Raffaele Fragapane 
mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
This pretty much hits the nail on the head IMO.

A number of factors converging has made it so that people have been slowly 
conditioned to think DCC software and its sales and updates right now are OK to 
be as cheap as they are on the frontload expenditure (a couple to three and 
half grands for software with some of the largest and most varied and complex 
sets of functionalities ever), and something worth "subscribing" to.

The truth is subscription, in any sane world, would require a vibrant, lively 
and worthy eco-system of user base, community and software support.

At present time subscription means you get the occasional SP/ext, which is 
usually borked beyond repair and will take another couple fixes to be fixed, or 
will be fixed in the next major (Maya 2014 ext had a bucketload of features but 
turned out unusably broken due to a ridiculously nasty shapes bug). At one 
point upgrading becomes a game of what bugs you can live with, the old ones you 
know, or the new ones introduced elsewhere while fixing those.
Solid releases exist, of course, at least within restricted domains of 
functionalities one might be interested in, and that's why often times people 
stick to a release for five years. It's not that they don't want to upgrad, 
it's that it's the ONE safe spot in a bloody mine field of bugs and disasters 
that are behind you (older versions that didn't work), and around you (new 
versions that break a different piece every time).

There is no community support worth mentioning, the Area is a wasteland of 
despair where the only noise is that of noob souls wailing in despair, the "app 
shop" useless (the few contributors are all giving up on it when it takes weeks 
to months for AD to clear a free minor update to their stuff).
There is no such thing as a quick fix, let alone weekly or forthnightly builds.
The support itself is useless to anybody but the most superficial user.
Training/educational content of any depth is scarce to unavailable (a few 
smatterings of superficial stuff again, at best), and there is no effort in 
sight to change that.
Lastly, being on subscription provides with no added network or interaction at 
all.

There IS a thriving eco-system around some of the softwares, but all of it, and 
I literally mean ALL of it, is down to your social network, reputation, and 
putting in 

Re: looking for motion capture...

[Chris Johnson]

cool...thanks I'll dig through that stuff



On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM, David Barosin  wrote:

> The crowdFX characters have a decent batch of mocap.
>
>
> Motor is also an option.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Chris Johnson wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone...been off in Houdini land for a year or soshaking off
>> the XSI cobwebs...I need some humanoid geo with motion capture for a proof
>> of concept thing...I would have even used the old disco bot from XSI
>> samples if I could fins him but I can't...anyone got access to anything
>> like this or is there a free xsi motion capture tutorial out there
>> somewhere I can use?
>>
>> Thanks for your help!
>>
>
>

RE: My Speedometer plugin

[Grahame Fuller]

It's the other way around. Velocity is a vector, speed is a scalar.

gray

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sam Cuttriss
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:36 PM
To: softimage
Subject: Re: My Speedometer plugin

hahaha, technically correct.




On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Raffaele Fragapane 
mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
Twice the velocity is actually perfectly possible if you're allowed to alter 
the direction when you double the magnitude :p
It's twice the speed that's impossible.


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Sam Cuttriss 
mailto:tea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
i shit you not:

In the same amount of time,
travel the same distance,
but at twice the velocity



<>

Re: Secondary shapes woes

[Sergio Mucino]

  
  
@ Matt: Thanks a lot for the video link! I will definitely check it
out. I woke up to more urgent fires to put out, but as soon as I get
back to this I'll give it a go. Thanks!

@ Sandy: Thanks a lot for the help offer Sandy. I'm sure the CG Sup
wouldn't be too happy about me sending out project meshes, but the
approach you mention is what I was going to attempt yesterday,
precisely. I'll give it a go again, when I get back to this problem.
Thanks for chiming in!

  

On 17/10/2013 5:03 AM, Sandy Sutherland wrote:

  
  Just thinking out loud or rather in
typing - I would try the following -

Use a base rest shape and the new shape and calculate the
offsets based on that.  Then in an ICE tree after the cache node
add that offset back each frame.  If you want to send over the
meshes and a couple of cache frames I will have a look see if I
can figure it out?

Cheers

S.

On 2013/10/17 10:48 AM, Matt Morris wrote:
  
  
I don't know if you've seen this, sounds like it
  should apply:
  
  
  https://vimeo.com/70124932
  
  
  
  You could try using a duplicate base mesh, picking the
cached hand as one shape and blending to the other shape
when needed - linear interp in ice? It would depend how your
other shape is modelled, you're always going to face some
difficulties when the first hand has been cached so the bone
translation is also in the shape...
  
  
  
  


  
  On 16 October 2013 21:09, Sergio
Mucino 
wrote:

   Well, I managed to
reorder the operators to work (deleting the point cache,
applying the shape, and reloading the point cache), but
it's not working as expected. I'll have to figure out
something else.
Cheers!

  

  

  

  
  

  

Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Sergio Mucino]

  
  
I really don't think you'll EVER get point B in your list from
Autodesk. The best you can do to sort of extrapolate into something
similar is keep an eye on whatever's going on at Autodesk Labs.
That's it. Anyone who believes they can convince, beg, or coerce AD
to reveal their roadmaps to the public has clearly never had to deal
with AD's legal department.  :-)
  

  

On 16/10/2013 11:37 PM, Angus Davidson wrote:

  
  
  
  
  I have nothing against a subscription
model. if done well it can work really well. However
subscription only works well if you have the following.


a) Getting value for money (percieved or actual)
b) There is an openness about what is coming up in future
  releases


Without that there is zero incentive for people to put
  money down on something that is a big unknown.


An easy way to fix point a) is to have more releases a
  year. There is no reason you cant have two or even three
  releases a year. Currently you have one and its pretty much a
  crap-shoot as to whether you get anything worthwhile.


Well the way to fix point b is pretty obvious. When you
  have a subscription model you cant hide behind we are a listed
  company bullshit anymore. Its a very different thing to having
  people buy something they know about, to making your customers
  take all the risk of putting money down in the vague hope of
  getting something useful. If you want subscription to work you
  have to have a roadmap its simply a non negotiable thing.





  

From:
Mirko Jankovic [mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 October 2013 12:16 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
  


  Actually no-one as I'm aware of ever
mentioned problem with price of subscription but
subscription it self. 
Tool that is worth thousands but earns you even
  more than that is good investment.
An $1 screwdriver that you will never ever use is
  waste of money and bad investment. 
Throwing any kind of $$$ at subscription and not
  getting anything back .. what basked does that goes
  for?
  
  

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:02
  AM, Raffaele Fragapane 

  wrote:
  
This pretty much hits the nail on the
  head IMO.
  
  
  A number of factors converging has made it so
that people have been slowly conditioned to
think DCC software and its sales and updates
right now are OK to be as cheap as they are on
the frontload expenditure (a couple to three and
half grands for software with some of the
largest and most varied and complex sets of
functionalities ever), and something worth
"subscribing" to.
  
  
  The truth is subscription, in any sane world,
would require a vibrant, lively and worthy
eco-system of user base, community and software
support.
  
  
  At present time subscription means you get
the occasional SP/ext, which is usually borked
beyond repair and will take another couple fixes
to be fixed, or will be fixed in the next major
(Maya 2014 ext had a bucketload of features but
turned out unusably broken due to a ridiculously
nasty shapes bug). At one point upgrading
becomes a game of what bugs you can live with,
the old ones you know, or the new ones
introduced elsewhere while fixing those.
  Solid releases exist, of course, at least
within restricted domains of functionalities one
might be interested in, and that's why often
times people stick to a release for five years.
It's not that they don't want to upgrad, it's

Re: looking for motion capture...

[David Barosin]

The crowdFX characters have a decent batch of mocap.


Motor is also an option.



On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Chris Johnson  wrote:

> Hi everyone...been off in Houdini land for a year or soshaking off the
> XSI cobwebs...I need some humanoid geo with motion capture for a proof of
> concept thing...I would have even used the old disco bot from XSI samples
> if I could fins him but I can't...anyone got access to anything like this
> or is there a free xsi motion capture tutorial out there somewhere I can
> use?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>

Re: looking for motion capture...

[Stephen Blair]

How about loading a Motor File on to XSI Man?


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Chris Johnson  wrote:

> Hi everyone...been off in Houdini land for a year or soshaking off the
> XSI cobwebs...I need some humanoid geo with motion capture for a proof of
> concept thing...I would have even used the old disco bot from XSI samples
> if I could fins him but I can't...anyone got access to anything like this
> or is there a free xsi motion capture tutorial out there somewhere I can
> use?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>

looking for motion capture...

[Chris Johnson]

Hi everyone...been off in Houdini land for a year or soshaking off the
XSI cobwebs...I need some humanoid geo with motion capture for a proof of
concept thing...I would have even used the old disco bot from XSI samples
if I could fins him but I can't...anyone got access to anything like this
or is there a free xsi motion capture tutorial out there somewhere I can
use?

Thanks for your help!

RE: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Marc-Andre Carbonneau]

I like The Foundry. I don't know if their business model will stay like this 
but it's straight forward and you know you're not going to be disappointed when 
the new version comes out.


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson
Sent: 16 octobre 2013 23:37
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Autodesk´s Sales model

I have nothing against a subscription model. if done well it can work really 
well. However subscription only works well if you have the following.

a) Getting value for money (percieved or actual)
b) There is an openness about what is coming up in future releases

Without that there is zero incentive for people to put money down on something 
that is a big unknown.

An easy way to fix point a) is to have more releases a year. There is no reason 
you cant have two or even three releases a year. Currently you have one and its 
pretty much a crap-shoot as to whether you get anything worthwhile.

Well the way to fix point b is pretty obvious. When you have a subscription 
model you cant hide behind we are a listed company bullshit anymore. Its a very 
different thing to having people buy something they know about, to making your 
customers take all the risk of putting money down in the vague hope of getting 
something useful. If you want subscription to work you have to have a roadmap 
its simply a non negotiable thing.



From: Mirko Jankovic [mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 October 2013 12:16 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
Actually no-one as I'm aware of ever mentioned problem with price of 
subscription but subscription it self.
Tool that is worth thousands but earns you even more than that is good 
investment.
An $1 screwdriver that you will never ever use is waste of money and bad 
investment.
Throwing any kind of $$$ at subscription and not getting anything back .. what 
basked does that goes for?

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Raffaele Fragapane 
mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
This pretty much hits the nail on the head IMO.

A number of factors converging has made it so that people have been slowly 
conditioned to think DCC software and its sales and updates right now are OK to 
be as cheap as they are on the frontload expenditure (a couple to three and 
half grands for software with some of the largest and most varied and complex 
sets of functionalities ever), and something worth "subscribing" to.

The truth is subscription, in any sane world, would require a vibrant, lively 
and worthy eco-system of user base, community and software support.

At present time subscription means you get the occasional SP/ext, which is 
usually borked beyond repair and will take another couple fixes to be fixed, or 
will be fixed in the next major (Maya 2014 ext had a bucketload of features but 
turned out unusably broken due to a ridiculously nasty shapes bug). At one 
point upgrading becomes a game of what bugs you can live with, the old ones you 
know, or the new ones introduced elsewhere while fixing those.
Solid releases exist, of course, at least within restricted domains of 
functionalities one might be interested in, and that's why often times people 
stick to a release for five years. It's not that they don't want to upgrad, 
it's that it's the ONE safe spot in a bloody mine field of bugs and disasters 
that are behind you (older versions that didn't work), and around you (new 
versions that break a different piece every time).

There is no community support worth mentioning, the Area is a wasteland of 
despair where the only noise is that of noob souls wailing in despair, the "app 
shop" useless (the few contributors are all giving up on it when it takes weeks 
to months for AD to clear a free minor update to their stuff).
There is no such thing as a quick fix, let alone weekly or forthnightly builds.
The support itself is useless to anybody but the most superficial user.
Training/educational content of any depth is scarce to unavailable (a few 
smatterings of superficial stuff again, at best), and there is no effort in 
sight to change that.
Lastly, being on subscription provides with no added network or interaction at 
all.

There IS a thriving eco-system around some of the softwares, but all of it, and 
I literally mean ALL of it, is down to your social network, reputation, and 
putting in the hard miles to connect and keep track of who's who and what 
websites to follow.
Beta testing, friends on the inside, the right blogs and websites, third party 
software and training providers... those often work and work to levels you 
simply wouldn't expect a completely anarchic system to, and they are free, and 
usually absolutely unsupported by AD, which instead keeps throwing money or 
hours at the big studios that steer their main horse the most.
This isn't bad, and I'm no

Re: Swap instance master

[Thomas Volkmann]

You could try running the attached script (but don't look at it, it's rather
old).
Just select the instances you want to replace, run the script, and pick the new
master model. Doesn't work if you have animations on your instances though.

cheers,
Thomas

> David Saber  hat am 17. Oktober 2013 um 13:45 geschrieben:
>
>
> Thank you Nono
> After a search in the mailing list archive, I have already tried this,
> but it didn't work... I'm sure I did something wrong.
> I guess both master models must have the same name? If that's possible.
> I'll test this again.
> Greetings,
> David
>import win32com.client
from win32com.client import constants as c
null = None
false = 0
true = 1
TRUE = True
FALSE = False
xsi = Application
log = xsi.LogMessage


def 
doIt(mode,move2p,type,matchAll,matchTrans,matchRot,matchScale,move2part,makeChild,matchGrp):
#Target Objects
liste = xsi.Selection
sel = []
for i in liste:
sel.append(i)
pick = xsi.PickElement('','Pick Object')
#Object to be copied
pickedObj = pick.Value("PickedElement")
pickParent = pickedObj.Parent

for target in sel:
parent = target.Parent

#Copy, Clone or Instance
if type.Value == 1:
source = xsi.Duplicate(pickedObj, "", 2, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, "", 
"", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", 0)
elif type.Value == 2:
source = xsi.Clone(pickedObj, "", 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, "", "", "", 
"", "", "", "", "", "", "")
elif type.Value == 3:
source = xsi.Instantiate(pickedObj, "", 1, 1, 0, 1, "", "", "", "", 
"", "", "", "", "", "")

#Move to parent
if move2p.Value == True:
if str(pickParent) != str(parent):
xsi.CopyPaste(str(source), "", str(parent), 1)

#Make Child
if makeChild.Value == True:
xsi.CopyPaste(str(source), "", str(target), 1)

#Match Transforms
if matchAll.Value == True or (matchTrans.Value==True and 
matchRot.Value==True and matchScale.Value==True):
xsi.MatchTransform(source, target, "siSRT", "")
else:
if matchTrans.Value == True:
xsi.MatchTransform(source, target, "siTrn", "")
if matchRot.Value == True:
xsi.MatchTransform(source, target, "siRot", "")
if matchScale.Value == True:
xsi.MatchTransform(source, target, "siScl", "")

#Match Partitions
if move2part.Value == True:
owners = target.Owners
for owner in owners:
if str(owner.Parent.Type) == "Pass":
xsi.MoveToPartition(owner, source)

#Match Groups
if matchGrp.Value == True:
owners = target.Owners
for owner in owners:
if str(owner.Type) == "#Group":
xsi.SIAddToGroup(owner, source)


#Hide or Delete
if mode.Value == 2:
xsi.ToggleVisibility(target, "", "")
elif mode.Value == 3:
xsi.DeleteObj(target)



def gui():
oPSet = 
xsi.ActiveSceneRoot.AddProperty("CustomProperty",False,"tv_Replace") 
oLayout = oPSet.PPGLayout



#Hide Delete None
mode = oPSet.AddParameter3("Target", c.siInt4)
modus = ["no change",1,"hide",2,"delete",3]
oLayout.AddEnumControl("Target", modus,"Target", c.siControlRadio)
xsi.SetValue(mode, 3)

#Move to Parent
move2p = oPSet.AddParameter3("Move_to_parent",c.siBool)
merge = ["",1]
oLayout.AddEnumControl("Move_to_parent", merge,"", c.siControlBoolean)
xsi.SetValue(move2p, FALSE)

#Make Child
makeChild = oPSet.AddParameter3("Make_Child",c.siBool)
merge = ["",1]
oLayout.AddEnumControl("Make_Child", merge,"", c.siControlBoolean)
xsi.SetValue(makeChild, FALSE)

#Match Partition
move2part = oPSet.AddParameter3("Match_partitions",c.siBool)
oLayout.AddEnumControl("Match_partitions", merge,"", c.siControlBoolean)
xsi.SetValue(move2part, FALSE)

#Match Groups
matchGrp = oPSet.AddParameter3("Match_Groups",c.siBool)
oLayout.AddEnumControl("Match_Groups", merge,"", c.siControlBoolean)
xsi.SetValue(matchGrp, FALSE)

#Type select
type = oPSet.AddParameter3("Type", c.siInt4)
xyz = ["copy",1,"clone",2,"instanciate (Models only)",3]
oLayout.AddEnumControl("Type", xyz,"Type", c.siControlRadio)
xsi.SetValue(type,3)

#Match
matchAll = oPSet.AddParameter3("MatchAll",c.siBool)
tmp = ["",1]
oLayout.AddEnumControl("MatchAll", tmp,"", c.siControlBoolean)
xsi.SetValue(matchAll, TRUE)

matchTrans = oPSet.AddParameter3("MatchTranslation",c.siBool)
tmp = ["",1]
oLayout.AddEnumControl("MatchTranslation", tmp,"", c.siControlBoolean)
xsi.SetValue(matchTrans, False)

matchRot = oPSet.AddParameter3("MatchRotation",c.siBool)
tmp = ["",1]
oLayout.AddEnumControl("MatchRotation", tmp,"

Re: Swap instance master

[David Saber]

Thank you Nono
After a search in the mailing list archive, I have already tried this, 
but it didn't work... I'm sure I did something wrong.

I guess both master models must have the same name? If that's possible.
I'll test this again.
Greetings,
David

RE: Autode sk´s Sales model

[Dan Yargici]

Not wanting to detail this thread (I have a lot of opinions on this topic
also but I'm not masochistic enough to attempt to write them on a 7 inch
tablet while on holiday!), but I really believe people should donate to
Blender as a matter of principle.

Even the occasional tiny donation.

DAN

Sent from my tablet...
On 17 Oct 2013 11:32, "philipp.oeser"  wrote:

> **
>
> jim bough  hat am 16. Oktober 2013 um 22:57 geschrieben:
>
>
> Yes, there is Blender, but I prefer to invest in my software..
>
>
>  Maybe I misunderstood this, but you can easily do so:
>
>
> http://code.blender.org/index.php/2013/09/valve-steam-workshop-donations-2-devs-get-hired/
> http://www.blender.org/blenderorg/blender-foundation/development-fund/
>
> or by
> (1) write code
> (2) hire devs that write code
>

Re: Secondary shapes woes

[Sandy Sutherland]

  
  
Just thinking out loud or rather in
  typing - I would try the following -
  
  Use a base rest shape and the new shape and calculate the offsets
  based on that.  Then in an ICE tree after the cache node add that
  offset back each frame.  If you want to send over the meshes and a
  couple of cache frames I will have a look see if I can figure it
  out?
  
  Cheers
  
  S.
  
  On 2013/10/17 10:48 AM, Matt Morris wrote:


  I don't know if you've seen this, sounds like it
should apply:


https://vimeo.com/70124932



You could try using a duplicate base mesh, picking the
  cached hand as one shape and blending to the other shape when
  needed - linear interp in ice? It would depend how your other
  shape is modelled, you're always going to face some
  difficulties when the first hand has been cached so the bone
  translation is also in the shape...




  
  

On 16 October 2013 21:09, Sergio Mucino
  
  wrote:
  
 Well, I managed to
  reorder the operators to work (deleting the point cache,
  applying the shape, and reloading the point cache), but
  it's not working as expected. I'll have to figure out
  something else.
  Cheers!
  

  

  

  


  

Re: Secondary shapes woes

[Matt Morris]

I don't know if you've seen this, sounds like it should apply:

https://vimeo.com/70124932

You could try using a duplicate base mesh, picking the cached hand as one
shape and blending to the other shape when needed - linear interp in ice?
It would depend how your other shape is modelled, you're always going to
face some difficulties when the first hand has been cached so the bone
translation is also in the shape...




On 16 October 2013 21:09, Sergio Mucino  wrote:

>  Well, I managed to reorder the operators to work (deleting the point
> cache, applying the shape, and reloading the point cache), but it's not
> working as expected. I'll have to figure out something else.
> Cheers!
>
>
> On 16/10/2013 2:46 PM, Sergio Mucino wrote:
>
> Hopefully, this will be a simple question.
> We've got a hand model in one of our shots who's shape has changed a bit.
> We have a new model for the new shape that was modified to a very specific
> shape at a specific frame. The problem is that the old model is point
> cached in the shot. I thought I would just be able to set Softimage to
> Secondary Shape Construnction Mode, and select the new mesh as a shape key,
> so that it'd blend with the old mesh. However, for some reason, whenever I
> do that, Softimage switches back itself to Animation Construction Mode,
> places the Shape Combiner there, and won't let us move it. I'm guessing it
> has something to do with the Point Cache (must it be below?), but not sure
> why. Anyone got any pointers into how to get this to work?
>
> The other alternative of course would be for me to figure out an ICE tree
> that would calculate the deltas between the old point positions and the new
> ones, and add those to the OLD hand so I get the movement in the point
> cache in the OLD hand, but with the shape of the NEW one, but it's gonna
> take me a little while to figure out this tree right, and we're kinda
> burning the food here (pardon the pun).
> If anyone has any pointers into how to fix this, I'm all ears. In the
> meantime, I'll keep working on it with the guy struggling with the shot.
> Thanks!
> --
>
>


-- 
www.matinai.com
<><>

RE: Autode sk´s Sales model

[philipp.oeser]

> jim bough  hat am 16. Oktober 2013 um 22:57 geschrieben:
> 
>  Yes, there is Blender, but I prefer to invest in my software..
> 

Maybe I misunderstood this, but you can easily do so:

http://code.blender.org/index.php/2013/09/valve-steam-workshop-donations-2-devs-get-hired/
http://www.blender.org/blenderorg/blender-foundation/development-fund/

or by
(1) write code
(2) hire devs that write code

Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Mirko Jankovic]

Yees Kickstarter did come across my mind when I wrote but there is one big
difference... some of those guys at Kickstarter actually still got some
passion about what they do or at least we wanna believe that :)


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Michal Doniec  wrote:

> "With this rate soon people will be pre-ordering ideas and empty promises"
> They already do. www.kickstarter.com
>
> Back on topic I can't imagine any large facility to be able to operate
> without support, so yes it's used and it's needed.
> Most if not all of bugfixes are usually implemented in major releases
> afterwards, so everyone benefits in the end.
>
>
>
> On 16 October 2013 19:46, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
>
>> As I recall salesman is supposed to attract customer to gain their trust
>> and support.
>> Now it is other way around???
>> Customers should give their total support and money in order to be
>> treated like customers??
>>
>> Actually there is something similar happening with buying games as well...
>> Before there was always demo to show potential audience what is offered
>> so they can decide whether to buy.
>> Now it is all up to buy before seeing pre-purchase policy.
>> Is consumer market, both games and software that much brained washed???
>>
>> With this rate soon people will be pre-ordering ideas and empty promises.
>> Oh wait that is already happening.. subscription? paying upfront for
>> something that you maybe will receive.. someday.. maybe?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:25 PM, jim bough  wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't that the point? They are trying to increase income, this is their
>>> plan, they are being forthright about it, now it's up to users to decide
>>> whether that investment is worth it.
>>> Perhaps, if more people were on the Softimage subscription model,
>>> paying into r&d efforts, we might see a different software landscape today.
>>> I said perhaps.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:19 -0400
>>> From: digim...@digimata.com
>>>
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>> Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
>>>
>>> I agreed with with Matt, we are still using 7.01, since we didn't
>>> upgrade from 7.01 to 7.5 when Autodesk bought Softimage from Avid
>>> now, we can't upgrade even if we want to. We would have been paying a
>>> lot over these years.
>>>
>>> Leoung
>>>
>>> On 10/16/2013 1:35 PM, Matt Lind wrote:
>>>
>>>  I dispute it’s better to stay on subscription.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Case in point being the fact we were stuck on Softimage 7.5 for nearly 5
>>> years, not because we didn’t want to upgrade, but because there were no
>>> releases without technical issues preventing our upgrade.  Being forced
>>> into subscription would be more expensive than the perpetual license model
>>> as we’d have to continue paying AD with no return to show for it.  Under
>>> the perpetual license model we wouldn’t be obligated to pay anything.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
>>> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Graham Bell
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:22 AM
>>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: Autodesk´s Sales model
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding the announcements made at the investor day, I posted this on
>>> another forum as part of an ongoing thread….
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think there's a lot of crossed wires here over  his news and just
>>> assuming that Autodesk are following Adobe literally to the letter. Yes,
>>> there are Suites and now we have rental options (you can still buy
>>> perpetual), but this news is really just about Autodesk discontinuing their
>>> upgrade model. As of Feb 1st 2015 (still over a year away), users will be
>>> unable to upgrade old versions to the current version.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding upgrades and what the term actually means, this is the ability
>>> to upgrade an Autodesk product from a previous version to the current
>>> version. So for example, someone has purchased a product and they may have
>>> stopped their subscription (if they bought it) for a period of time, and
>>> they then wish to upgrade to the most current version of their software.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Autodesk currently allow customer to upgrade their software to the
>>> current version, for a fee. Until this year, there were different upgrade
>>> pricing depending on how old the software version was, that someone wanted
>>> to upgrade from. Also, (if I recall) there was no limit to how old a
>>> version of software was, that someone wanted to upgrade.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As of this year, the upgrade policy was changed and basically
>>> simplified. Only the previous 6 versions will remain upgradeable. Owners of
>>> older software versions who wanted the current version would need to
>>> purchase entirely new licenses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you did have a version eligible for upgrading, a single pricing
>>> structure was put in place. User upgradin

Re: Autodesk´s Sales model

[Michal Doniec]

"With this rate soon people will be pre-ordering ideas and empty promises"
They already do. www.kickstarter.com

Back on topic I can't imagine any large facility to be able to operate
without support, so yes it's used and it's needed.
Most if not all of bugfixes are usually implemented in major releases
afterwards, so everyone benefits in the end.



On 16 October 2013 19:46, Mirko Jankovic  wrote:

> As I recall salesman is supposed to attract customer to gain their trust
> and support.
> Now it is other way around???
> Customers should give their total support and money in order to be treated
> like customers??
>
> Actually there is something similar happening with buying games as well...
> Before there was always demo to show potential audience what is offered so
> they can decide whether to buy.
> Now it is all up to buy before seeing pre-purchase policy.
> Is consumer market, both games and software that much brained washed???
>
> With this rate soon people will be pre-ordering ideas and empty promises.
> Oh wait that is already happening.. subscription? paying upfront for
> something that you maybe will receive.. someday.. maybe?
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:25 PM, jim bough  wrote:
>
>> Isn't that the point? They are trying to increase income, this is their
>> plan, they are being forthright about it, now it's up to users to decide
>> whether that investment is worth it.
>> Perhaps, if more people were on the Softimage subscription model,
>> paying into r&d efforts, we might see a different software landscape today.
>> I said perhaps.
>>
>> --
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:19 -0400
>> From: digim...@digimata.com
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>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
>>
>> I agreed with with Matt, we are still using 7.01, since we didn't upgrade
>> from 7.01 to 7.5 when Autodesk bought Softimage from Avid
>> now, we can't upgrade even if we want to. We would have been paying a lot
>> over these years.
>>
>> Leoung
>>
>> On 10/16/2013 1:35 PM, Matt Lind wrote:
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>>  I dispute it’s better to stay on subscription.
>>
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>>
>> Case in point being the fact we were stuck on Softimage 7.5 for nearly 5
>> years, not because we didn’t want to upgrade, but because there were no
>> releases without technical issues preventing our upgrade.  Being forced
>> into subscription would be more expensive than the perpetual license model
>> as we’d have to continue paying AD with no return to show for it.  Under
>> the perpetual license model we wouldn’t be obligated to pay anything.
>>
>>
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>>
>> Matt
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>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
>> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
>> *On Behalf Of *Graham Bell
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:22 AM
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Autodesk´s Sales model
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding the announcements made at the investor day, I posted this on
>> another forum as part of an ongoing thread….
>>
>>
>>
>> I think there's a lot of crossed wires here over  his news and just
>> assuming that Autodesk are following Adobe literally to the letter. Yes,
>> there are Suites and now we have rental options (you can still buy
>> perpetual), but this news is really just about Autodesk discontinuing their
>> upgrade model. As of Feb 1st 2015 (still over a year away), users will be
>> unable to upgrade old versions to the current version.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding upgrades and what the term actually means, this is the ability
>> to upgrade an Autodesk product from a previous version to the current
>> version. So for example, someone has purchased a product and they may have
>> stopped their subscription (if they bought it) for a period of time, and
>> they then wish to upgrade to the most current version of their software.
>>
>>
>>
>> Autodesk currently allow customer to upgrade their software to the
>> current version, for a fee. Until this year, there were different upgrade
>> pricing depending on how old the software version was, that someone wanted
>> to upgrade from. Also, (if I recall) there was no limit to how old a
>> version of software was, that someone wanted to upgrade.
>>
>>
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>> As of this year, the upgrade policy was changed and basically simplified.
>> Only the previous 6 versions will remain upgradeable. Owners of older
>> software versions who wanted the current version would need to purchase
>> entirely new licenses.
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>>
>>
>> If you did have a version eligible for upgrading, a single pricing
>> structure was put in place. User upgrading to the current version, would
>> have to pay 70% of the new license price for an upgrade.
>>
>>
>>
>> Essentially, the idea of staying on an old version of software and then
>> just paying to upgrade to the current version when you thought it was
>> necessary, becomes detrimental to actually just keeping on subscription. To
>> keep up to date and have previous version usage, it actually makes more

Re: Softimage Digest, Vol 59, Issue 119

[Jakob Schindegger]

Hi Thanks for the feedback
@ Stefan and David
As soon as I have cleaned up the code and made the parameters more accessible I 
will make it downloadable and give you a heads up.
I wonder if this could be made faster implemented with the Splice API?
Jakob
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perceptual activist since 1993
www.fakob.com
trondheim / norway / europe
+47 939 73 491

On Oct 15, 2013, at 7:59 PM, softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com wrote:

> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:59:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Rivera 
> Subject: Re: Silhouette Edge Drawing with ICE
> To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com"
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> Jakob, I?d love to try your ICE compound with this:
> https://vimeo.com/76961204
> It?s a recent project of mine and I was wondering what other parameters I?d 
> need to config
> correctly before the "right" npr arrives for this style.
> 
> I?d gladly provide you the head of the model so you can toy around with your 
> compound.
> 
> Regards.
> David.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 11:38 AM, Stefan Kubicek 
>  wrote:
> 
> Welcome to the list Jakob!
> 
> That looks promising, I've been playing with the very same idea for over two 
> years now but never had a production to actually use it on, hence no time to 
> develop it past the concept stage. Good luck sorting out the ramaining 
> issues, I'm looking forward to the first public version :-)
> 
> Stefan
> 
> 
>> Hi there!
>> 
>> May I introduce myself shortly. My name is Jakob Schindegger and I am a 
>> motion graphics designer who likes to develope new looks and also likes to 
>> code (still on a low level though)
>> 
>> I was always interested in NPR Rendering, especially silhouette edge 
>> drawing. So I took on the challenge, working with ICE and programming a 
>> custom ICE Node.
>> 
>> I have developed an ICE Compound generating at first just particles along 
>> the silhouette of an object, orienting along the outline and towards the 
>> camera.
>> As a next step I tried to generate as few splines as possible on the outline.
>> To be eventually able to smoothen these splines and also to generate some 
>> more turbulized overlaying ones to simulate a hand drawn (with strokes) / 
>> animated object.
>> 
>> As soon as I have cleaned up the compound and made it a bit more efficient I 
>> will upload it.
>> 
>> Problems I still have:
>> -Performance
>> -Jumpiness in Animation (as every calculation is only frame based, I might 
>> have to bring in a simulation level so the lines get more consistent over 
>> time
>> -Still too many gaps in the silhouette (I might have to bring the splines 
>> into screen space and connect them there)
>> 
>> This is how far I got right now. The animation down below is in some cases 
>> still very jumpy.
>> 
>> http://www.fakob.com/2013/silhouette-edge-drawing-ice-development/
>> 
>> It is a work in progress and maybe as I am not a real programmer, some 
>> things might have been done not very efficiently, but I appreciate any 
>> comments you have. Even the ones where you say "why did you do it like this, 
>> there is a button which does all that already" :-)
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Jakob
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>> perceptual activist since 1993
>> www.fakob.com
>> trondheim / norway / europe
>> +47 939 73 491
>> 
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