Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Jason S]

  
  

   For those that don't exactly care about "support" and only look
  at what can work best for their, or for many situations, 
  
  
  Soft for more than just basic things, 
  - on it's own for it's overall general straight forwardness and
  workflow smoothness and being able to change things at any point..
  among many little things
  
  together with making all sorts of setups,
  - In a big part because of it's stable non-destuctive base
  (already procedural), 
  but mostly of course because of ICE  ( for -everything- you can
  drive with it ) 
  
  ... is still currently irreplaceable in what you can do, and how
  efficiently or "smoothly" you get to really all sorts of things
  that otherwise involve dealing with much more daily finnickyness,
  knowing how to program, super-specific plugins  (if existing) or 
  at least a script for every little thing.
  
  Maya Soup Nodes? MCG? Cinema4D? 
  
  Maybe FE or Houdini engines could cover mesh processing but..
  I don't think we would still be having this conversation if (only)
  it was for naustalgia.
  
  
  
  Also got this from BUF in my mail,
  Dear Bview users, 
We are thrilled to announce the release of Bview beta. This is
the first version that will be distributed to all our users.
Several thousand people will get access to Bview today, and the
whole team at BUF is very proud of the work that was done to get
our product to where it is today.
  Also with new clips showing how Bview is
  http://bufsoftware.com/support/help-center/tutorials/tutorials-bview/
  
  I find it encouraging (concerning the coming base DCC in the
  suite) 
  to see how ridiculously straight-forward Bview is (compared to say
  RV) while also seemingly advanced!
  Looks like a super-flipbook :) 
  
  
  Also From their FB page,
  
  

  1
  · Yesterday
  at 10:43am
  
  

  


  

  
BUF
Software Project
Windows
  is our next target, we will keep you
  updated
2
· 11
hrs
  

  

  

  
  
  
  In the BStudio description, I wonder what they mean by:
  

  

  

  PROCEDURAL
  NODE-BASED
  WORKFLOW
   
  In Bstudio, a lot of
  treatments are available in nodes. Nodes can be
  “connected” together to create data flow and to
  further explore results. More productivity, more
  artistic control, this is an unlimited source of
  creation to build unique effects.

  
  
  
  

  
  hum...
  
  
  
  On 05/14/15 20:43, Sylvain Lebeau wrote:


  
  A message of great nostalgia, sadness but also realism and share
  fullness. 
  
  
  
  
  sly
  
  
  

  

  Sylvain Lebeau // SHED
  V-P/Visual
  effects supervisor
1410, RUE STANLEY,
  11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
  T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM 
  
  

  

  
On May 14, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Raffaele
  Fragapane 
  wrote:


  

  Is it really an issue?
  
  
  It's not like people have
flocked to this list like flies to corpses to pimp
and peddle. The non-Soft posts are come either from
people who have explicitly been invited to the list
by long standing members in time of crisis, or by
long enough standing members, and I've seen Chris'
name plenty times before. Personally I'm interested
in seeing how others are coping with change (in ways
other than ignoring its necessity, which is a viable
strategy only for so long).
  
  
  I s

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Stephen Davidson]

I am involved with both Sylvain's mailing list, as well as this one. No
problem with fragmentation here.

Heck, I even belong to a video editing mailing list (Razor Users Group),
even though I rarely need
to edit, and the group is based on Speed Razor, which is long gone. If
fact, the group
(razor us...@yahoo.com) is an excellent example of how a mailing list can
not only
survive a products demise, but also thrive. It now deals with general video
editing, and shooting
issues, regardless of platform.

We did have to use Yahoo as a platform, however. I'm not sure how "open"
this
list will be, under AD control, in the future.

RememberKnowledge is power.

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I don't know, Sylvain.
> I appreciate the effort, but that's exactly how fragmenting a community
> down to small enough bits that each will eventually die starts in my
> experience.
>
> If enough people express the desire that this place should be
> unadulterated Softimage itself, without discussion on migration and
> alternatives, sure, then maybe parallel subset groups would be good, but
> until then I'd rather not see the core participants breaking their
> contributions apart in different places.
>
>

-- 

Best Regards,
*  Stephen P. Davidson*

*(954) 552-7956*sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com

*Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic*


 - Arthur C. Clarke

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Leendert A. Hartog]

Completely agree with Scott Parrish here.
Emotions are fully understandable, but:
Nothing  to see here, move along!

Greetz
Leendert

--

Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue
Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Tenshi S.]

I just wish people post other software related topics in their own thread.
A Softimage > Transition thread would be best suited, but like i said
before having a lot topics of the same thing, just makes me sad and anger,
because at the end Autodesk win. =/ . So if the Softimage community wants
to stay as it is, let's help organize this. Just one thread for transitions
would be more helpful than 20 of them mention other software's, besides
that, it would be the best to have only Softimage related topics as the
main threads here; and when the times come people move on to other
forums/mailing list that talks of their new favorite software. Best of both
worlds and opinions, is that too much to ask?

*sorry 4 my english,

On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Scott Parrish  wrote:

> Wow, this is quite a thread now.
> My original question was just about options for acquiring new softimage
> licenses, which was answered pretty quickly by Stephen, Maurice and others.
>
> It's interesting that the majority of the ~50 replies are arguments for
> and against talking about software other than Softimage, based on a single
> post mentioning blender as a possible alternative at least for some tasks -
> since after next year buying new softimage seats will be impossible...
>
> I would make a guess that the debate about whether or not it's ok to talk
> about alternatives to Softimage has created more noise and off-topic
> discussion on the thread than any mentions of people's personal experience
> as they try to transition to other tools.
>
> Personally, and without wanting to offend anyone, I came to the list for
> the collective knowledge sharing of a bunch of experienced pros. Now that
> Softimage is EOL it would be nice to channel all of that knowledge and
> professionalism into fruitful discussion about how we move on in our work
> with and without softimage.
>
> Sadly, and knowing there are a lot of emotions involved since the
> Softimage EOL (I was very pissed), the bickering to useful info ratio is
> greatly tilted toward bickering.
>
> Not sure what can be done about that other than to ask folks to chill and
> be nice to each other, try to stay on topic and avoid long existential
> arguments about what the list is even for. I see nothing like this on any
> of the other mailing lists I'm on.
>
> If it keeps up I think the membership of the list will dwindle. It's
> saddening to dig through all the bickering to get to the helpful responses,
> know what I mean?
>
> Anyway, my opinion take with salt.
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Sylvain Lebeau  wrote:
>
>> Hey Chris!
>>
>> yeah long time no see!!!  I’ve went to TO for a really short trip 3
>> months ago and did not got the chance to go visit you like the last time.
>>
>> Will do next time and beers too!
>>
>> sly
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED*
>> V-P/Visual effects supervisor
>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
>> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM  <
>> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 16, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Chris Johnson  wrote:
>>
>> Cristobalwow...I'm even more excited now for my Blender lesson. I'm
>> making a polar bear in Max with Ornatrix right now and the brush tools are
>> a nightmare by comparison to that. I made some Pandas in Houdini and the
>> fur tools were really nice but it was tough with just painting and not
>> being able to actual just pull some guides with a brush. I believe they've
>> changed that in recent versions. This seems like the perfect starting
>> point!!!
>>
>> I'll send it out to interested parties at the end of this week...maybe
>> next. I have two huge things delivering in the next week and half.
>>
>> Graham...beers next time your in town...on you! ; )
>>
>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Martin  wrote:
>>
>>> I would agree with you purists, if Softimage were still under
>>> development, but it isn't.
>>>
>>> Threads like this: "Any equivalent to Custom Param sets in Maya?" is
>>> something that you can only discuss with Softimage users.
>>>
>>> We all are going to stop using Softimage sooner or later and having a
>>> wider view of what can you do with other tools from a Softimage user point
>>> of view is something you won't find anywhere else.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Scott Parrish]

Wow, this is quite a thread now.
My original question was just about options for acquiring new softimage
licenses, which was answered pretty quickly by Stephen, Maurice and others.

It's interesting that the majority of the ~50 replies are arguments for and
against talking about software other than Softimage, based on a single post
mentioning blender as a possible alternative at least for some tasks -
since after next year buying new softimage seats will be impossible...

I would make a guess that the debate about whether or not it's ok to talk
about alternatives to Softimage has created more noise and off-topic
discussion on the thread than any mentions of people's personal experience
as they try to transition to other tools.

Personally, and without wanting to offend anyone, I came to the list for
the collective knowledge sharing of a bunch of experienced pros. Now that
Softimage is EOL it would be nice to channel all of that knowledge and
professionalism into fruitful discussion about how we move on in our work
with and without softimage.

Sadly, and knowing there are a lot of emotions involved since the Softimage
EOL (I was very pissed), the bickering to useful info ratio is greatly
tilted toward bickering.

Not sure what can be done about that other than to ask folks to chill and
be nice to each other, try to stay on topic and avoid long existential
arguments about what the list is even for. I see nothing like this on any
of the other mailing lists I'm on.

If it keeps up I think the membership of the list will dwindle. It's
saddening to dig through all the bickering to get to the helpful responses,
know what I mean?

Anyway, my opinion take with salt.

On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Sylvain Lebeau  wrote:

> Hey Chris!
>
> yeah long time no see!!!  I’ve went to TO for a really short trip 3 months
> ago and did not got the chance to go visit you like the last time.
>
> Will do next time and beers too!
>
> sly
>
>
>
> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED*
> V-P/Visual effects supervisor
> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM  <
> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM >
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 16, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Chris Johnson  wrote:
>
> Cristobalwow...I'm even more excited now for my Blender lesson. I'm
> making a polar bear in Max with Ornatrix right now and the brush tools are
> a nightmare by comparison to that. I made some Pandas in Houdini and the
> fur tools were really nice but it was tough with just painting and not
> being able to actual just pull some guides with a brush. I believe they've
> changed that in recent versions. This seems like the perfect starting
> point!!!
>
> I'll send it out to interested parties at the end of this week...maybe
> next. I have two huge things delivering in the next week and half.
>
> Graham...beers next time your in town...on you! ; )
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Martin  wrote:
>
>> I would agree with you purists, if Softimage were still under
>> development, but it isn't.
>>
>> Threads like this: "Any equivalent to Custom Param sets in Maya?" is
>> something that you can only discuss with Softimage users.
>>
>> We all are going to stop using Softimage sooner or later and having a
>> wider view of what can you do with other tools from a Softimage user point
>> of view is something you won't find anywhere else.
>>
>> Martin
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Sylvain Lebeau]

Hey Chris!

yeah long time no see!!!  I’ve went to TO for a really short trip 3 months ago 
and did not got the chance to go visit you like the last time. 

Will do next time and beers too!

sly



Sylvain Lebeau // SHED
V-P/Visual effects supervisor
1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM  
>





> On May 16, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Chris Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Cristobalwow...I'm even more excited now for my Blender lesson. I'm 
> making a polar bear in Max with Ornatrix right now and the brush tools are a 
> nightmare by comparison to that. I made some Pandas in Houdini and the fur 
> tools were really nice but it was tough with just painting and not being able 
> to actual just pull some guides with a brush. I believe they've changed that 
> in recent versions. This seems like the perfect starting point!!!
> 
> I'll send it out to interested parties at the end of this week...maybe next. 
> I have two huge things delivering in the next week and half. 
> 
> Graham...beers next time your in town...on you! ; )
> 
> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Martin  > wrote:
> I would agree with you purists, if Softimage were still under development, 
> but it isn't.
> 
> Threads like this: "Any equivalent to Custom Param sets in Maya?" is 
> something that you can only discuss with Softimage users.
> 
> We all are going to stop using Softimage sooner or later and having a wider 
> view of what can you do with other tools from a Softimage user point of view 
> is something you won't find anywhere else.
> 
> Martin
> Sent from my iPhone
> 

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Chris Johnson]

Cristobalwow...I'm even more excited now for my Blender lesson. I'm
making a polar bear in Max with Ornatrix right now and the brush tools are
a nightmare by comparison to that. I made some Pandas in Houdini and the
fur tools were really nice but it was tough with just painting and not
being able to actual just pull some guides with a brush. I believe they've
changed that in recent versions. This seems like the perfect starting
point!!!

I'll send it out to interested parties at the end of this week...maybe
next. I have two huge things delivering in the next week and half.

Graham...beers next time your in town...on you! ; )

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Martin  wrote:

> I would agree with you purists, if Softimage were still under development,
> but it isn't.
>
> Threads like this: "Any equivalent to Custom Param sets in Maya?" is
> something that you can only discuss with Softimage users.
>
> We all are going to stop using Softimage sooner or later and having a
> wider view of what can you do with other tools from a Softimage user point
> of view is something you won't find anywhere else.
>
> Martin
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Martin]

I would agree with you purists, if Softimage were still under development, but 
it isn't.

Threads like this: "Any equivalent to Custom Param sets in Maya?" is something 
that you can only discuss with Softimage users.

We all are going to stop using Softimage sooner or later and having a wider 
view of what can you do with other tools from a Softimage user point of view is 
something you won't find anywhere else.

Martin
Sent from my iPhone

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Graham D. Clark]

I agree, lighten up, Chris like many of us here are at least 2 decade users
of Softimage and we are all sharing alternatives as Softimage fades past
its EOL.
Even before Softimage was EOL, on this list and with other professionals,
we shared other apps advantages, many of which made their way in a better
form into Softimage. ie ICE.

Cheers Chris, see you in Toronto this summer for beers.
Graham

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Sven Constable 
wrote:

> Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their software
> in a inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list. Newtek an SideFX
> did it as well. It's alright. But please keep in mind, this is the
> softimage mailing list.
>
> If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists I will
> choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for hobbyists, you should
> use the appropiate forums.
>
>
>
> sven
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Chris Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:52 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
>
>
>
> Apparently Blender has some great modelling tools. Just to preface...this
> is not the off the shelf Blender. You need to dig around and install a
> bunch of scripts and plugins to get it there. A guy at my office has been
> using it for some time and swears by it. He has the whole thing, plugins
> and scripts wrapped together in a zip that he's willing to hand off...he's
> giving me a demo on Monday. The really nice thing about it is that you can
> run the software from the archive/zip. no install needed. So you can work
> literally anywhere on any computer as long as you have access to import the
> folder from usb or the cloud. Don't think you'd even need admin rights to
> run it.
>
>
>
> I'd be happy to give a review after my demo and supply people with the zip
> if they want it. The stuff is free and this artist is trying to promote it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Stephen, I'll pass this along!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Stephen Blair 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Until April 2016:
>
>
>
> Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage 2015
> can do so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with
> Softimage transition offering. These offerings are available via their
> local reseller and cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
> wrote:
>
> Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from my
> 2015 bundle stuff..
>
>
>
> I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a game
> pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then push
> through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
>
> We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
> Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a
> seat of Softimage, is that impossible?
>
>
>
> I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft and
> must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
>
> Or do they have a special deal with AD?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
-- 
Graham D Clark, VP/Head of Stereography, Stereo D, Deluxe
phone: why-I-stereo
http://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamclark

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Cristobal Infante]

 to keep killing it.
>>> You know that maybe this mailing list it's the only place aside from a
>>> few forums to talk and keep learning about Softimage?
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Matt Lind >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I side with Sven on the matter.
>>>>
>>>> People seem to have confused the concept of forum with mailing list.
>>>> If you want to discuss anything and everything, go to a forum as it's
>>>> designed for that sort of thing.  people can view only what they desire to
>>>> view and easily ignore what they don't care about.  Migration, plugins,
>>>> tutorials for product X, and whatever will surely be welcomed there.
>>>>
>>>> A mailing list is intended for narrow on-topic discussion and not much
>>>> else because any content submitted is distributed to the entire community
>>>> intended or not.  Having a lot of non-topic discussion on a mailing list is
>>>> synonymous to being loud and rude in a library while people are trying to
>>>> read and study.  While some tangents are OK to keep things interesting,
>>>> let's try to keep the balance in favor of on topic discussion.  Lately the
>>>> noise has been higher than the signal.
>>>>
>>>> Softimage may be EOL, but some of us must continue using it for an
>>>> indefinite period of time.  When trying to find solutions to problems in a
>>>> timely manner using the archives or direct help from the user base, we
>>>> don't need our few remaining channels of support clogged with noise causing
>>>> a potential solution to be missed in sea of false positives.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:17:30 +0200
>>>> From: "Sven Constable" >>> >
>>>> Subject: RE: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
>>>>
>>>> Then I'd like change "we"with "me" in my statement if you feel more
>>>> comfortable with it. I do respect you the same way as I respect the list.
>>>> This list is the most proficient source of information in a same way a
>>>> platform for professionals is meant to discuss even everything else. That?s
>>>> my point.  This is the softimage mailing list. I read maya topics all the
>>>> time. 3Dsmax, for gods sake and will tolerate it. And Houdini? Well, it's
>>>> very welcome and Modo for sure. But discusing freeware? C'mon!
>>>>
>>>> Well the problem I had was not actually arguing with specific modeling
>>>> in Blender but the promotion of it in this list. I do not think this is the
>>>> right place to promote software.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  From:  <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>>>> >
>>>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>>>> 
>>>> [ <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>>>> >
>>>> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>>>> ]
>>>> On Behalf Of Eric Thivierge
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:19 PM
>>>>  To:  <mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>>> >
>>>> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Sven,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure you have the right to police this list like that. I don't
>>>> mind if this kind of stuff is posted here. So when you use the word "we"
>>>> I'm not sure who you're speaking for but it certainly isn't the whole of
>>>> this list.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone wanting to share new ways of working and tools should be able
>>>> to. This wasn't forbidden before the EOL for Softimage so it shouldn't be
>>>> now. Especially since the EOL.
>>>>
>>>> Eric T.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/14/2015 5:10 PM, Sven Constable wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their
>>>> software in a inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list. Newtek an
>>>> SideFX did it as well. It's alright. But please keep in mind, this is the
>>>> softimage mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists I
>>>> will choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for hobbyists, you
>>>> should use the appropiate forums.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sven
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Tim Leydecker]

alance in favor of on topic discussion.  Lately the noise
has been higher than the signal.

Softimage may be EOL, but some of us must continue using
it for an indefinite period of time.  When trying to find
solutions to problems in a timely manner using the
archives or direct help from the user base, we don't need
our few remaining channels of support clogged with noise
causing a potential solution to be missed in sea of false
positives.


Matt





Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:17:30 +0200
    From: "Sven Constable" mailto:sixsi_l...@imagefront.de>>
Subject: RE: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

Then I'd like change "we"with "me" in my statement if you
feel more comfortable with it. I do respect you the same
way as I respect the list. This list is the most
proficient source of information in a same way a platform
for professionals is meant to discuss even everything
else. That?s my point.  This is the softimage mailing
list. I read maya topics all the time. 3Dsmax, for gods
sake and will tolerate it. And Houdini? Well, it's very
welcome and Modo for sure. But discusing freeware? C'mon!

Well the problem I had was not actually arguing with
specific modeling in Blender but the promotion of it in
this list. I do not think this is the right place to
promote software.



sven



From:  <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On
Behalf Of Eric Thivierge
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:19 PM
To:  <mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
        <mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

Subject: Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?



Hey Sven,

I'm not sure you have the right to police this list like
that. I don't mind if this kind of stuff is posted here.
So when you use the word "we" I'm not sure who you're
speaking for but it certainly isn't the whole of this list.

Anyone wanting to share new ways of working and tools
should be able to. This wasn't forbidden before the EOL
for Softimage so it shouldn't be now. Especially since the
EOL.

Eric T.

On 5/14/2015 5:10 PM, Sven Constable wrote:

Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote
their software in a inappropriate way. ADSK did this this
on the list. Newtek an SideFX did it as well. It's
alright. But please keep in mind, this is the softimage
mailing list.

If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by
hobbyists I will choose Blender. If you want to promote a
software for hobbyists, you should use the appropiate forums.



sven

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Mirko Jankovic]

Again no need to police or something just common sense, If there is need
mention solution in maya nd point to right discussion or forum but there is
absolutely no need to start lengthy discussion how to do 1 click operation
in SI with 20 scripts in maya...

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Mirko Jankovic 
wrote:

> I can only agree. Move other software things to other threads, it is one
> thing to mention something if it is solution to specific problem but to
> dedicate next bunch of emails to maya and others it is no place or that.
> There are maya and other software threads to discus that in debt.
> If someone asks for help with something in SI, and this is still best way
> and great pool of talented SI ppl, he hardly wanna hear, oh do that in maya
> on blender. f*** that I don;t care about crap of the maya or blender. If I
> wanted or liked to work on them would get them and go to maya and other
> forums.
> God thing about si mailing list is that even when not looking for some
> answers topics arise that are interesting to read and learn something new
> from them.
> But with all other software noise that is increasingly hard. And some
> filtering really is in order.
> Need maya, blender max help and details? Find maya and other forums and
> mailing lists. With little time most ppl have in day last thing I wanna
> spend it is reading about those...
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Tenshi S.  wrote:
>
>> A valid point, and one that i support entirely. I enter here a while ago,
>> because of Softimage, not because of Maya or Blender, if i would like to
>> hear about those app i would go to the proper forums/mailing list, etc.
>> Everytime i come to gmail and verifiy my forums section, i encounter a
>> few topics about other things that are not Softimage related. What it's the
>> meaning of this mailing list, then?
>>
>> One thing i support too it's a thread dedicated only to people who are
>> migrating or finding solutions, but one thread only, not 20 of them saying
>> "Maya it's better because of this, and Blender do amazing cycle renders"
>> and blabla.
>>
>> Another thing it's threads dedicated only to Maya/Blender/3Dmax <>
>> Softimage interaction, that's something you really want to learn about it
>> and deserves their own thread.
>>
>> C'mon guys, we know Softimage it's EOL, but that doesn't mean we need to
>> keep killing it.
>> You know that maybe this mailing list it's the only place aside from a
>> few forums to talk and keep learning about Softimage?
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Matt Lind  wrote:
>>
>>> I side with Sven on the matter.
>>>
>>> People seem to have confused the concept of forum with mailing list.  If
>>> you want to discuss anything and everything, go to a forum as it's designed
>>> for that sort of thing.  people can view only what they desire to view and
>>> easily ignore what they don't care about.  Migration, plugins, tutorials
>>> for product X, and whatever will surely be welcomed there.
>>>
>>> A mailing list is intended for narrow on-topic discussion and not much
>>> else because any content submitted is distributed to the entire community
>>> intended or not.  Having a lot of non-topic discussion on a mailing list is
>>> synonymous to being loud and rude in a library while people are trying to
>>> read and study.  While some tangents are OK to keep things interesting,
>>> let's try to keep the balance in favor of on topic discussion.  Lately the
>>> noise has been higher than the signal.
>>>
>>> Softimage may be EOL, but some of us must continue using it for an
>>> indefinite period of time.  When trying to find solutions to problems in a
>>> timely manner using the archives or direct help from the user base, we
>>> don't need our few remaining channels of support clogged with noise causing
>>> a potential solution to be missed in sea of false positives.
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:17:30 +0200
>>> From: "Sven Constable" 
>>> Subject: RE: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
>>>
>>> Then I'd like change "we"with "me" in my statement if you feel more
>>> comfortable with it. I do respect you the same way as I respect the list.
>>> This list is the most proficient source of information in a same way a
>>> platform for professionals is meant to discuss even every

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Mirko Jankovic]

I can only agree. Move other software things to other threads, it is one
thing to mention something if it is solution to specific problem but to
dedicate next bunch of emails to maya and others it is no place or that.
There are maya and other software threads to discus that in debt.
If someone asks for help with something in SI, and this is still best way
and great pool of talented SI ppl, he hardly wanna hear, oh do that in maya
on blender. f*** that I don;t care about crap of the maya or blender. If I
wanted or liked to work on them would get them and go to maya and other
forums.
God thing about si mailing list is that even when not looking for some
answers topics arise that are interesting to read and learn something new
from them.
But with all other software noise that is increasingly hard. And some
filtering really is in order.
Need maya, blender max help and details? Find maya and other forums and
mailing lists. With little time most ppl have in day last thing I wanna
spend it is reading about those...

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Tenshi S.  wrote:

> A valid point, and one that i support entirely. I enter here a while ago,
> because of Softimage, not because of Maya or Blender, if i would like to
> hear about those app i would go to the proper forums/mailing list, etc.
> Everytime i come to gmail and verifiy my forums section, i encounter a few
> topics about other things that are not Softimage related. What it's the
> meaning of this mailing list, then?
>
> One thing i support too it's a thread dedicated only to people who are
> migrating or finding solutions, but one thread only, not 20 of them saying
> "Maya it's better because of this, and Blender do amazing cycle renders"
> and blabla.
>
> Another thing it's threads dedicated only to Maya/Blender/3Dmax <>
> Softimage interaction, that's something you really want to learn about it
> and deserves their own thread.
>
> C'mon guys, we know Softimage it's EOL, but that doesn't mean we need to
> keep killing it.
> You know that maybe this mailing list it's the only place aside from a few
> forums to talk and keep learning about Softimage?
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Matt Lind  wrote:
>
>> I side with Sven on the matter.
>>
>> People seem to have confused the concept of forum with mailing list.  If
>> you want to discuss anything and everything, go to a forum as it's designed
>> for that sort of thing.  people can view only what they desire to view and
>> easily ignore what they don't care about.  Migration, plugins, tutorials
>> for product X, and whatever will surely be welcomed there.
>>
>> A mailing list is intended for narrow on-topic discussion and not much
>> else because any content submitted is distributed to the entire community
>> intended or not.  Having a lot of non-topic discussion on a mailing list is
>> synonymous to being loud and rude in a library while people are trying to
>> read and study.  While some tangents are OK to keep things interesting,
>> let's try to keep the balance in favor of on topic discussion.  Lately the
>> noise has been higher than the signal.
>>
>> Softimage may be EOL, but some of us must continue using it for an
>> indefinite period of time.  When trying to find solutions to problems in a
>> timely manner using the archives or direct help from the user base, we
>> don't need our few remaining channels of support clogged with noise causing
>> a potential solution to be missed in sea of false positives.
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:17:30 +0200
>> From: "Sven Constable" 
>> Subject: RE: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
>>
>> Then I'd like change "we"with "me" in my statement if you feel more
>> comfortable with it. I do respect you the same way as I respect the list.
>> This list is the most proficient source of information in a same way a
>> platform for professionals is meant to discuss even everything else. That?s
>> my point.  This is the softimage mailing list. I read maya topics all the
>> time. 3Dsmax, for gods sake and will tolerate it. And Houdini? Well, it's
>> very welcome and Modo for sure. But discusing freeware? C'mon!
>>
>> Well the problem I had was not actually arguing with specific modeling in
>> Blender but the promotion of it in this list. I do not think this is the
>> right place to promote software.
>>
>>
>>
>> sven
>>
>>
>>
>> From:  <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodes

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Tenshi S.]

A valid point, and one that i support entirely. I enter here a while ago,
because of Softimage, not because of Maya or Blender, if i would like to
hear about those app i would go to the proper forums/mailing list, etc.
Everytime i come to gmail and verifiy my forums section, i encounter a few
topics about other things that are not Softimage related. What it's the
meaning of this mailing list, then?

One thing i support too it's a thread dedicated only to people who are
migrating or finding solutions, but one thread only, not 20 of them saying
"Maya it's better because of this, and Blender do amazing cycle renders"
and blabla.

Another thing it's threads dedicated only to Maya/Blender/3Dmax <>
Softimage interaction, that's something you really want to learn about it
and deserves their own thread.

C'mon guys, we know Softimage it's EOL, but that doesn't mean we need to
keep killing it.
You know that maybe this mailing list it's the only place aside from a few
forums to talk and keep learning about Softimage?

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Matt Lind  wrote:

> I side with Sven on the matter.
>
> People seem to have confused the concept of forum with mailing list.  If
> you want to discuss anything and everything, go to a forum as it's designed
> for that sort of thing.  people can view only what they desire to view and
> easily ignore what they don't care about.  Migration, plugins, tutorials
> for product X, and whatever will surely be welcomed there.
>
> A mailing list is intended for narrow on-topic discussion and not much
> else because any content submitted is distributed to the entire community
> intended or not.  Having a lot of non-topic discussion on a mailing list is
> synonymous to being loud and rude in a library while people are trying to
> read and study.  While some tangents are OK to keep things interesting,
> let's try to keep the balance in favor of on topic discussion.  Lately the
> noise has been higher than the signal.
>
> Softimage may be EOL, but some of us must continue using it for an
> indefinite period of time.  When trying to find solutions to problems in a
> timely manner using the archives or direct help from the user base, we
> don't need our few remaining channels of support clogged with noise causing
> a potential solution to be missed in sea of false positives.
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:17:30 +0200
> From: "Sven Constable" 
> Subject: RE: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
>
> Then I'd like change "we"with "me" in my statement if you feel more
> comfortable with it. I do respect you the same way as I respect the list.
> This list is the most proficient source of information in a same way a
> platform for professionals is meant to discuss even everything else. That?s
> my point.  This is the softimage mailing list. I read maya topics all the
> time. 3Dsmax, for gods sake and will tolerate it. And Houdini? Well, it's
> very welcome and Modo for sure. But discusing freeware? C'mon!
>
> Well the problem I had was not actually arguing with specific modeling in
> Blender but the promotion of it in this list. I do not think this is the
> right place to promote software.
>
>
>
> sven
>
>
>
> From:  <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [  softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Thivierge
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:19 PM
> To:  <mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>
> Subject: Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
>
>
>
> Hey Sven,
>
> I'm not sure you have the right to police this list like that. I don't
> mind if this kind of stuff is posted here. So when you use the word "we"
> I'm not sure who you're speaking for but it certainly isn't the whole of
> this list.
>
> Anyone wanting to share new ways of working and tools should be able to.
> This wasn't forbidden before the EOL for Softimage so it shouldn't be now.
> Especially since the EOL.
>
> Eric T.
>
> On 5/14/2015 5:10 PM, Sven Constable wrote:
>
> Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their software
> in a inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list. Newtek an SideFX
> did it as well. It's alright. But please keep in mind, this is the
> softimage mailing list.
>
> If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists I will
> choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for hobbyists, you should
> use the appropiate forums.
>
>
>
> sven
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Stephan Haidacher]

while i agree on your promotional point, (at least when its a clear 
promo, which wasn't

the case here at all)

whats wrong with freeware? (in this case its even opensource)? so by 
your list policy its:

houdini: yeah, modo: yeah, maya: meh, max: meh, blender: no?
cinema? is that ok by your standard?

a weird and somewhat elitist attitude, I'd say.. (hope you don't run 
mozilla)


--stephan


On 5/15/2015 12:17 AM, Sven Constable wrote:


Then I'd like change "we"with "me" in my statement if you feel more 
comfortable with it. I do respect you the same way as I respect the 
list. This list is the most proficient source of information in a same 
way a platform for professionals is meant to discuss even everything 
else. That’s my point.  This is the softimage mailing list. I read 
maya topics all the time. 3Dsmax, for gods sake and will tolerate it. 
And Houdini? Well, it's very welcome and Modo for sure. But discusing 
freeware? C'mon!


Well the problem I had was not actually arguing with specific modeling 
in Blender but the promotion of it in this list. I do not think this 
is the right place to promote software.


sven

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Eric Thivierge

*Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:19 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

*Subject:* Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

Hey Sven,

I'm not sure you have the right to police this list like that. I don't 
mind if this kind of stuff is posted here. So when you use the word 
"we" I'm not sure who you're speaking for but it certainly isn't the 
whole of this list.


Anyone wanting to share new ways of working and tools should be able 
to. This wasn't forbidden before the EOL for Softimage so it shouldn't 
be now. Especially since the EOL.


Eric T.

On 5/14/2015 5:10 PM, Sven Constable wrote:

Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their
software in a inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list.
Newtek an SideFX did it as well. It's alright. But please keep in
mind, this is the softimage mailing list.

If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists
I will choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for
hobbyists, you should use the appropiate forums.

sven

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Chris Johnson]

Wow...I've been buried deep in production and hadn't looked back at the
list for a few days...sorry to cause the kerfuffle. Sven I've been using
Softimage my entire career. 17 years. I've been on this list as long as
I've been using this software. Last thing I would ever do is try to steer
anyone away from it or cause a rift on this list. I was just trying pass
along some interesting information/tech that I've been privy too. I'll be
sure to send directly to those that mentioned that they'd like a copy of
the zip.

Eh Sylvain...Iong time no chat!

Matt...chill out. ; )

Heh Brad!

Out of further interest...Greg...I've switched to Max and I have to say I
really do like it. The rigging is garbage and yes it does feel like the
whole thing is duct taped together. A lot of inconsistency with hot keys in
just about every module. But it has some really nice stuff and a super
supportive community that shares just about everything. Go to scriptspot.com.
It surprises me regularly...in a good way. I have it on the inside track
that Autodesk is redesigning the interface and digging out a lot of the
legacy stuff. I think the next few versions of MAX will be interesting to
watch, especially with the addition of MCG. Ohh yeah and the camera
projections are useless...so I think you can officially say I am not
selling/pushing MAX here. ; )

That being said I find myself back in soft often...even if it's just to
unwrap something. Like always...it's my personal swiss army knife.

Peace.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Eric Thivierge 
wrote:

> I didn't find Chris' post anywhere near "throwing everything in a pile"
> and didn't consider it noise at all. How many times have people posted to
> the list about a cool feature in other software before the EOL and nobody
> lost their shit? Why now?
>
> I'm on a number of lists so I'm well experienced with the skillful art of
> creating email filters and clicking on sub-folders. Some may say I have a
> super kung-fu / cat-like reflex for hopping from one to the other. A click
> is no inconvenience, don't worry.
>
> What I do find as an inconvenience is the absence of a long standing
> community with decades of experience that cannot be queried with a few
> clicks and keystrokes.
>
> Softimage is not forever and this list / community needs to evolve to
> something bigger otherwise it's going to die off.
>
>
> 
> Eric Thivierge
> http://www.ethivierge.com
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Matt Lind  wrote:
>
>> Some of us have been down this road before, Eric.  Yes, people will be
>> moving on, but that's not an excuse to throw everything into a pile as it's
>> just noise, counterproductive, and a disservice to those who really need
>> the list for something other than as a chat medium to pass the day.
>>
>> As for not reading anything you don't want to read - some of us are on
>> the digest form of the list which means the server concatenates messages
>> together as one giant email and sends it out.  You cannot skip messages in
>> digest form as everything is inline text, you get everything whether you
>> like it or not.  I don't like receiving digests full of noise as they're
>> tedious to read, and often lead to situations where I miss posts I am
>> interested in because they get lost in that sea of noise.
>>
>> While having another forum or list for migration and other topics may be
>> that one extra click of inconvenience to you, it's the right thing to do.
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 21:09:55 -0400
>> From: Eric Thivierge 
>> Subject: Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
>> To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com"
>> 
>>
>>
>> Yeah I agree entirely with what Raf said.
>>
>> In addition if enough people want the discussions about transition
>> experiences of members of our community to stop here I can get on board.
>> Just know that when that happens the community will start to dwindle
>> rapidly. It's the same damn point that's been made over and over since the
>> EOL announcement. We're going to have to move somewhere else. Softimage is
>> done. Some of us are transitioning sooner than others. This is going to
>> leave the community pretty fragmented so topics and sharing of experiences
>> is going to be very mixed up.
>>
>> If you hit something you don't want to read move on.
>>
>> Eric T.
>>
>> 
>> Eric Thivierge
>> http://www.ethivierge.com
>>
>>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Eric Thivierge]

I didn't find Chris' post anywhere near "throwing everything in a pile" and
didn't consider it noise at all. How many times have people posted to the
list about a cool feature in other software before the EOL and nobody lost
their shit? Why now?

I'm on a number of lists so I'm well experienced with the skillful art of
creating email filters and clicking on sub-folders. Some may say I have a
super kung-fu / cat-like reflex for hopping from one to the other. A click
is no inconvenience, don't worry.

What I do find as an inconvenience is the absence of a long standing
community with decades of experience that cannot be queried with a few
clicks and keystrokes.

Softimage is not forever and this list / community needs to evolve to
something bigger otherwise it's going to die off.



Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Matt Lind  wrote:

> Some of us have been down this road before, Eric.  Yes, people will be
> moving on, but that's not an excuse to throw everything into a pile as it's
> just noise, counterproductive, and a disservice to those who really need
> the list for something other than as a chat medium to pass the day.
>
> As for not reading anything you don't want to read - some of us are on the
> digest form of the list which means the server concatenates messages
> together as one giant email and sends it out.  You cannot skip messages in
> digest form as everything is inline text, you get everything whether you
> like it or not.  I don't like receiving digests full of noise as they're
> tedious to read, and often lead to situations where I miss posts I am
> interested in because they get lost in that sea of noise.
>
> While having another forum or list for migration and other topics may be
> that one extra click of inconvenience to you, it's the right thing to do.
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 21:09:55 -0400
> From: Eric Thivierge 
> Subject: Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
> To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com"
> 
>
>
> Yeah I agree entirely with what Raf said.
>
> In addition if enough people want the discussions about transition
> experiences of members of our community to stop here I can get on board.
> Just know that when that happens the community will start to dwindle
> rapidly. It's the same damn point that's been made over and over since the
> EOL announcement. We're going to have to move somewhere else. Softimage is
> done. Some of us are transitioning sooner than others. This is going to
> leave the community pretty fragmented so topics and sharing of experiences
> is going to be very mixed up.
>
> If you hit something you don't want to read move on.
>
> Eric T.
>
> 
> Eric Thivierge
> http://www.ethivierge.com
>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Matt Lind]

Some of us have been down this road before, Eric.  Yes, people will be 
moving on, but that's not an excuse to throw everything into a pile as it's 
just noise, counterproductive, and a disservice to those who really need the 
list for something other than as a chat medium to pass the day.


As for not reading anything you don't want to read - some of us are on the 
digest form of the list which means the server concatenates messages 
together as one giant email and sends it out.  You cannot skip messages in 
digest form as everything is inline text, you get everything whether you 
like it or not.  I don't like receiving digests full of noise as they're 
tedious to read, and often lead to situations where I miss posts I am 
interested in because they get lost in that sea of noise.


While having another forum or list for migration and other topics may be 
that one extra click of inconvenience to you, it's the right thing to do.



Matt





Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 21:09:55 -0400
From: Eric Thivierge 
Subject: Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com"


Yeah I agree entirely with what Raf said.

In addition if enough people want the discussions about transition
experiences of members of our community to stop here I can get on board.
Just know that when that happens the community will start to dwindle
rapidly. It's the same damn point that's been made over and over since the
EOL announcement. We're going to have to move somewhere else. Softimage is
done. Some of us are transitioning sooner than others. This is going to
leave the community pretty fragmented so topics and sharing of experiences
is going to be very mixed up.

If you hit something you don't want to read move on.

Eric T.


Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

The equivalent in Maya of the +/- buttons of softimage is to turn on
subdiv preview with the "3" hotkey, and use pageup/pagedown to change
subdiv level.

On 15 May 2015 at 14:54, John Richard Sanchez  wrote:
> Going from mesh to sub d with the + and _ uttons I will miss. In Maya when I
> try to modify convert to Sub D I get an error 8 % of the time. (I think
> because it has to have all quads to work)  I am not a fan of the mesh
> smoothing.
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[John Richard Sanchez]

Going from mesh to sub d with the + and _ uttons I will miss. In Maya when
I try to modify convert to Sub D I get an error 8 % of the time. (I think
because it has to have all quads to work)  I am not a fan of the mesh
smoothing.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Bradley Gabe  wrote:

> I can say with certainty that Softimage is far more user friendly and
> elegant as an animation solution than Robbins Pathological Basis of
> Disease. Switch at your own peril, for rest assured production is going to
> grind to a screeching halt.
>



-- 
www.johnrichardsanchez.com

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[John Richard Sanchez]

That is 80 % of the time i get an error

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 2:54 PM, John Richard Sanchez <
youngupstar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Going from mesh to sub d with the + and _ uttons I will miss. In Maya when
> I try to modify convert to Sub D I get an error 8 % of the time. (I think
> because it has to have all quads to work)  I am not a fan of the mesh
> smoothing.
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Bradley Gabe  wrote:
>
>> I can say with certainty that Softimage is far more user friendly and
>> elegant as an animation solution than Robbins Pathological Basis of
>> Disease. Switch at your own peril, for rest assured production is going to
>> grind to a screeching halt.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> www.johnrichardsanchez.com
>



-- 
www.johnrichardsanchez.com

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Bradley Gabe]

I can say with certainty that Softimage is far more user friendly and
elegant as an animation solution than Robbins Pathological Basis of
Disease. Switch at your own peril, for rest assured production is going to
grind to a screeching halt.

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Eric Turman]

My sentiments exactly, Greg.

BTW:
We should grab sushi again sometime.


Cheers,
-=Eric

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Greg Punchatz  wrote:

> "If you hit something you don't want to read move on."
>
> I find posts like this useful. I have not yet found the
> right replacement 3d dcc for me quite yet.
>
> Modo looks very interesting, but incomplete and its speed leaves somthing
> to be desired in large scenes. I am watching them very closely , but I need
> to see who owns the Foundry and what the plan is. I am a fan of foundry
> products and culture... I hope they can maintain that where ever they land.
>
> Houdini can do almost anything you can imagine but seems to has too much
> overhead to get simple things done.
>
> I hate Max from a birds eye view... but I have never used it more than for
> a few minutes. They seemed to get a lot closer to ICE than maya has been
> able to with this last release.
>
> Maya has some things going for it, namely a talented user base.  The last
> release is a small step in the right direction, but from the out side
> looking in it sure seems like they are having a tough time tying all that
> old code into something that feels unified and consistent.
>
> I was very underwhelmed with Bitfrost once again.  I don't ever think it
> will be a flexible toolset, or we would have seen a hint of that by now.
>
> C4d has gone from a blip to something I need to look at again, but after
> seeing the Arnold demo's running in C4d I cant ignore that as a rendering
> solution.
>
> I wish some one would take fabric and turn it into a full fledged 3d
> app...
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Eric Thivierge 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah I agree entirely with what Raf said.
>>
>> In addition if enough people want the discussions about transition
>> experiences of members of our community to stop here I can get on board.
>> Just know that when that happens the community will start to dwindle
>> rapidly. It's the same damn point that's been made over and over since the
>> EOL announcement. We're going to have to move somewhere else. Softimage is
>> done. Some of us are transitioning sooner than others. This is going to
>> leave the community pretty fragmented so topics and sharing of experiences
>> is going to be very mixed up.
>>
>> If you hit something you don't want to read move on.
>>
>> Eric T.
>>
>> 
>> Eric Thivierge
>> http://www.ethivierge.com
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Sylvain Lebeau  wrote:
>>
>>> A message of great nostalgia, sadness but also realism and share
>>> fullness.
>>>
>>>
>>> sly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED*
>>> V-P/Visual effects supervisor
>>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
>>> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM 
>>>  >
>>>
>>
-- 




-=T=-

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Sylvain Lebeau]

hey Raff

Dont worry, this group is open to everyone. 
And maybe it will less cluter the mailing list for the others that wants core 
Softimage talks. 

It’s sane and respectfull to everyone. Anyways, the list will die one day or 
the other. If we could regroup into a new one….then why not? 

that was my intention behind it.  


sly



Sylvain Lebeau // SHED
V-P/Visual effects supervisor
1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM  
>

VFX Curriculum 03: Compositing Basics
mail to: s...@shedmtl.com




> On May 14, 2015, at 10:28 PM, Raffaele Fragapane 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know, Sylvain.
> I appreciate the effort, but that's exactly how fragmenting a community down 
> to small enough bits that each will eventually die starts in my experience.
> 
> If enough people express the desire that this place should be unadulterated 
> Softimage itself, without discussion on migration and alternatives, sure, 
> then maybe parallel subset groups would be good, but until then I'd rather 
> not see the core participants breaking their contributions apart in different 
> places.
> 
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Sylvain Lebeau  > wrote:
> i did a mailing list about peoples who wants to exchange freely on their new 
> ventures…
> 
> it’s here:
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/softimage-old-timmers-helping-each-others-out
>  
> 
> 
> 
> feel free to join in and share….. and I am assured we will have great 
> discussions. 
> 
> 
> peace
> 
> 
> sly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sylvain Lebeau // SHED
> V-P/Visual effects supervisor
> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM  
> >
> 
> VFX Curriculum 03: Compositing Basics
> mail to: s...@shedmtl.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 14, 2015, at 9:09 PM, Eric Thivierge > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I agree entirely with what Raf said.
>> 
>> In addition if enough people want the discussions about transition 
>> experiences of members of our community to stop here I can get on board. 
>> Just know that when that happens the community will start to dwindle 
>> rapidly. It's the same damn point that's been made over and over since the 
>> EOL announcement. We're going to have to move somewhere else. Softimage is 
>> done. Some of us are transitioning sooner than others. This is going to 
>> leave the community pretty fragmented so topics and sharing of experiences 
>> is going to be very mixed up.
>> 
>> If you hit something you don't want to read move on.
>> 
>> Eric T.
>> 
>> 
>> Eric Thivierge
>> http://www.ethivierge.com 
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Sylvain Lebeau > > wrote:
>> A message of great nostalgia, sadness but also realism and share fullness. 
>> 
>> 
>> sly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sylvain Lebeau // SHED
>> V-P/Visual effects supervisor
>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
>> T 514 849-1555  F 514 849-5025  
>> WWW.SHEDMTL.COM  > >
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 14, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Raffaele Fragapane 
>>> mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is it really an issue?
>>> 
>>> It's not like people have flocked to this list like flies to corpses to 
>>> pimp and peddle. The non-Soft posts are come either from people who have 
>>> explicitly been invited to the list by long standing members in time of 
>>> crisis, or by long enough standing members, and I've seen Chris' name 
>>> plenty times before. Personally I'm interested in seeing how others are 
>>> coping with change (in ways other than ignoring its necessity, which is a 
>>> viable strategy only for so long).
>>> 
>>> I see your point Matt, and I don't disagree, but while it's only fair that 
>>> this list is used predominantly for those continuing to use Soft (we're 
>>> still doing movies with it here at AL), the "Softimage Experience" now is 
>>> also about other people who have used Soft sharing their experience in 
>>> moving away from it as sad as it might be. Almost everybody, sooner or 
>>> later, will have to walk that path, and there's nobody more indicated to 
>>> advise than other members of this list.
>>> 
>>> I don't know, seems a bit of a storm in a glass of water to me.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and 
> let them flee like the dogs they are!

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Greg Punchatz]

"If you hit something you don't want to read move on."

I find posts like this useful. I have not yet found the
right replacement 3d dcc for me quite yet.

Modo looks very interesting, but incomplete and its speed leaves somthing
to be desired in large scenes. I am watching them very closely , but I need
to see who owns the Foundry and what the plan is. I am a fan of foundry
products and culture... I hope they can maintain that where ever they land.

Houdini can do almost anything you can imagine but seems to has too much
overhead to get simple things done.

I hate Max from a birds eye view... but I have never used it more than for
a few minutes. They seemed to get a lot closer to ICE than maya has been
able to with this last release.

Maya has some things going for it, namely a talented user base.  The last
release is a small step in the right direction, but from the out side
looking in it sure seems like they are having a tough time tying all that
old code into something that feels unified and consistent.

I was very underwhelmed with Bitfrost once again.  I don't ever think it
will be a flexible toolset, or we would have seen a hint of that by now.

C4d has gone from a blip to something I need to look at again, but after
seeing the Arnold demo's running in C4d I cant ignore that as a rendering
solution.

I wish some one would take fabric and turn it into a full fledged 3d app...



On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Eric Thivierge 
wrote:

> Yeah I agree entirely with what Raf said.
>
> In addition if enough people want the discussions about transition
> experiences of members of our community to stop here I can get on board.
> Just know that when that happens the community will start to dwindle
> rapidly. It's the same damn point that's been made over and over since the
> EOL announcement. We're going to have to move somewhere else. Softimage is
> done. Some of us are transitioning sooner than others. This is going to
> leave the community pretty fragmented so topics and sharing of experiences
> is going to be very mixed up.
>
> If you hit something you don't want to read move on.
>
> Eric T.
>
> 
> Eric Thivierge
> http://www.ethivierge.com
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Sylvain Lebeau  wrote:
>
>> A message of great nostalgia, sadness but also realism and share
>> fullness.
>>
>>
>> sly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED*
>> V-P/Visual effects supervisor
>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
>> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM  <
>> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 14, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
>> raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is it really an issue?
>>
>> It's not like people have flocked to this list like flies to corpses to
>> pimp and peddle. The non-Soft posts are come either from people who have
>> explicitly been invited to the list by long standing members in time of
>> crisis, or by long enough standing members, and I've seen Chris' name
>> plenty times before. Personally I'm interested in seeing how others are
>> coping with change (in ways other than ignoring its necessity, which is a
>> viable strategy only for so long).
>>
>> I see your point Matt, and I don't disagree, but while it's only fair
>> that this list is used predominantly for those continuing to use Soft
>> (we're still doing movies with it here at AL), the "Softimage Experience"
>> now is also about other people who have used Soft sharing their experience
>> in moving away from it as sad as it might be. Almost everybody, sooner or
>> later, will have to walk that path, and there's nobody more indicated to
>> advise than other members of this list.
>>
>> I don't know, seems a bit of a storm in a glass of water to me.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Raffaele Fragapane]

I don't know, Sylvain.
I appreciate the effort, but that's exactly how fragmenting a community
down to small enough bits that each will eventually die starts in my
experience.

If enough people express the desire that this place should be unadulterated
Softimage itself, without discussion on migration and alternatives, sure,
then maybe parallel subset groups would be good, but until then I'd rather
not see the core participants breaking their contributions apart in
different places.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Sylvain Lebeau  wrote:

> i did a mailing list about peoples who wants to exchange freely on their
> new ventures…
>
> it’s here:
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/softimage-old-timmers-helping-each-others-out
>
>
> feel free to join in and share….. and I am assured we will have great
> discussions.
>
>
> peace
>
>
> sly
>
>
>
>
> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED*
> V-P/Visual effects supervisor
> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM  <
> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM >
> VFX Curriculum 03: Compositing Basics
> mail to: s...@shedmtl.com
>
>
>
>
> On May 14, 2015, at 9:09 PM, Eric Thivierge  wrote:
>
> Yeah I agree entirely with what Raf said.
>
> In addition if enough people want the discussions about transition
> experiences of members of our community to stop here I can get on board.
> Just know that when that happens the community will start to dwindle
> rapidly. It's the same damn point that's been made over and over since the
> EOL announcement. We're going to have to move somewhere else. Softimage is
> done. Some of us are transitioning sooner than others. This is going to
> leave the community pretty fragmented so topics and sharing of experiences
> is going to be very mixed up.
>
> If you hit something you don't want to read move on.
>
> Eric T.
>
> 
> Eric Thivierge
> http://www.ethivierge.com
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Sylvain Lebeau  wrote:
>
>> A message of great nostalgia, sadness but also realism and share
>> fullness.
>>
>>
>> sly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED*
>> V-P/Visual effects supervisor
>> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
>> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM  <
>> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 14, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
>> raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is it really an issue?
>>
>> It's not like people have flocked to this list like flies to corpses to
>> pimp and peddle. The non-Soft posts are come either from people who have
>> explicitly been invited to the list by long standing members in time of
>> crisis, or by long enough standing members, and I've seen Chris' name
>> plenty times before. Personally I'm interested in seeing how others are
>> coping with change (in ways other than ignoring its necessity, which is a
>> viable strategy only for so long).
>>
>> I see your point Matt, and I don't disagree, but while it's only fair
>> that this list is used predominantly for those continuing to use Soft
>> (we're still doing movies with it here at AL), the "Softimage Experience"
>> now is also about other people who have used Soft sharing their experience
>> in moving away from it as sad as it might be. Almost everybody, sooner or
>> later, will have to walk that path, and there's nobody more indicated to
>> advise than other members of this list.
>>
>> I don't know, seems a bit of a storm in a glass of water to me.
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it
and let them flee like the dogs they are!

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Sylvain Lebeau]

i did a mailing list about peoples who wants to exchange freely on their new 
ventures…

it’s here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/softimage-old-timmers-helping-each-others-out
 



feel free to join in and share….. and I am assured we will have great 
discussions. 


peace


sly




Sylvain Lebeau // SHED
V-P/Visual effects supervisor
1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM  
>

VFX Curriculum 03: Compositing Basics
mail to: s...@shedmtl.com




> On May 14, 2015, at 9:09 PM, Eric Thivierge  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I agree entirely with what Raf said.
> 
> In addition if enough people want the discussions about transition 
> experiences of members of our community to stop here I can get on board. Just 
> know that when that happens the community will start to dwindle rapidly. It's 
> the same damn point that's been made over and over since the EOL 
> announcement. We're going to have to move somewhere else. Softimage is done. 
> Some of us are transitioning sooner than others. This is going to leave the 
> community pretty fragmented so topics and sharing of experiences is going to 
> be very mixed up.
> 
> If you hit something you don't want to read move on.
> 
> Eric T.
> 
> 
> Eric Thivierge
> http://www.ethivierge.com 
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Sylvain Lebeau  > wrote:
> A message of great nostalgia, sadness but also realism and share fullness. 
> 
> 
> sly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sylvain Lebeau // SHED
> V-P/Visual effects supervisor
> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
> T 514 849-1555  F 514 849-5025  
> WWW.SHEDMTL.COM   >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 14, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Raffaele Fragapane > > wrote:
>> 
>> Is it really an issue?
>> 
>> It's not like people have flocked to this list like flies to corpses to pimp 
>> and peddle. The non-Soft posts are come either from people who have 
>> explicitly been invited to the list by long standing members in time of 
>> crisis, or by long enough standing members, and I've seen Chris' name plenty 
>> times before. Personally I'm interested in seeing how others are coping with 
>> change (in ways other than ignoring its necessity, which is a viable 
>> strategy only for so long).
>> 
>> I see your point Matt, and I don't disagree, but while it's only fair that 
>> this list is used predominantly for those continuing to use Soft (we're 
>> still doing movies with it here at AL), the "Softimage Experience" now is 
>> also about other people who have used Soft sharing their experience in 
>> moving away from it as sad as it might be. Almost everybody, sooner or 
>> later, will have to walk that path, and there's nobody more indicated to 
>> advise than other members of this list.
>> 
>> I don't know, seems a bit of a storm in a glass of water to me.
> 
> 

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Martin]

I don't know you guys but I'm open to hear about any application, plugin or 
whatever is out there that can potentially make my work easier and faster.

I probably won't ever use Blender as my main software but it could be handy in 
some situations, specially if it's free.

Martin
Sent from my iPhone

> On 2015/05/15, at 8:19, Francois Lord  wrote:
> 
> If Blender can do stuff at the same level than commercial DCCs, or if it can 
> do better in some areas, I want to hear about it. And I want to hear about it 
> here, where everybody is looking for alternatives.
> 
> 
>> On 14-May-15 18:17, Sven Constable wrote:
>> Then I'd like change "we"with "me" in my statement if you feel more 
>> comfortable with it. I do respect you the same way as I respect the list. 
>> This list is the most proficient source of information in a same way a 
>> platform for professionals is meant to discuss even everything else. That’s 
>> my point.  This is the softimage mailing list. I read maya topics all the 
>> time. 3Dsmax, for gods sake and will tolerate it. And Houdini? Well, it's 
>> very welcome and Modo for sure. But discusing freeware? C'mon!
>> Well the problem I had was not actually arguing with specific modeling in 
>> Blender but the promotion of it in this list. I do not think this is the 
>> right place to promote software.
>>  
>> sven
>>  
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Thivierge
>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:19 PM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
>>  
>> Hey Sven,
>> 
>> I'm not sure you have the right to police this list like that. I don't mind 
>> if this kind of stuff is posted here. So when you use the word "we" I'm not 
>> sure who you're speaking for but it certainly isn't the whole of this list.
>> 
>> Anyone wanting to share new ways of working and tools should be able to. 
>> This wasn't forbidden before the EOL for Softimage so it shouldn't be now. 
>> Especially since the EOL.
>> 
>> Eric T.
>> 
>> On 5/14/2015 5:10 PM, Sven Constable wrote:
>> Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their software in 
>> a inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list. Newtek an SideFX did it 
>> as well. It's alright. But please keep in mind, this is the softimage 
>> mailing list.
>> If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists I will 
>> choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for hobbyists, you should 
>> use the appropiate forums.  
>>  
>> sven
> 

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Eric Thivierge]

Yeah I agree entirely with what Raf said.

In addition if enough people want the discussions about transition
experiences of members of our community to stop here I can get on board.
Just know that when that happens the community will start to dwindle
rapidly. It's the same damn point that's been made over and over since the
EOL announcement. We're going to have to move somewhere else. Softimage is
done. Some of us are transitioning sooner than others. This is going to
leave the community pretty fragmented so topics and sharing of experiences
is going to be very mixed up.

If you hit something you don't want to read move on.

Eric T.


Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Sylvain Lebeau  wrote:

> A message of great nostalgia, sadness but also realism and share fullness.
>
>
> sly
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED*
> V-P/Visual effects supervisor
> 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
> T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM  <
> http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 14, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
> raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Is it really an issue?
>
> It's not like people have flocked to this list like flies to corpses to
> pimp and peddle. The non-Soft posts are come either from people who have
> explicitly been invited to the list by long standing members in time of
> crisis, or by long enough standing members, and I've seen Chris' name
> plenty times before. Personally I'm interested in seeing how others are
> coping with change (in ways other than ignoring its necessity, which is a
> viable strategy only for so long).
>
> I see your point Matt, and I don't disagree, but while it's only fair that
> this list is used predominantly for those continuing to use Soft (we're
> still doing movies with it here at AL), the "Softimage Experience" now is
> also about other people who have used Soft sharing their experience in
> moving away from it as sad as it might be. Almost everybody, sooner or
> later, will have to walk that path, and there's nobody more indicated to
> advise than other members of this list.
>
> I don't know, seems a bit of a storm in a glass of water to me.
>
>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Sylvain Lebeau]

A message of great nostalgia, sadness but also realism and share fullness. 


sly







Sylvain Lebeau // SHED
V-P/Visual effects supervisor
1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8
T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM  
>






> On May 14, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Raffaele Fragapane  
> wrote:
> 
> Is it really an issue?
> 
> It's not like people have flocked to this list like flies to corpses to pimp 
> and peddle. The non-Soft posts are come either from people who have 
> explicitly been invited to the list by long standing members in time of 
> crisis, or by long enough standing members, and I've seen Chris' name plenty 
> times before. Personally I'm interested in seeing how others are coping with 
> change (in ways other than ignoring its necessity, which is a viable strategy 
> only for so long).
> 
> I see your point Matt, and I don't disagree, but while it's only fair that 
> this list is used predominantly for those continuing to use Soft (we're still 
> doing movies with it here at AL), the "Softimage Experience" now is also 
> about other people who have used Soft sharing their experience in moving away 
> from it as sad as it might be. Almost everybody, sooner or later, will have 
> to walk that path, and there's nobody more indicated to advise than other 
> members of this list.
> 
> I don't know, seems a bit of a storm in a glass of water to me.

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Raffaele Fragapane]

Is it really an issue?

It's not like people have flocked to this list like flies to corpses to
pimp and peddle. The non-Soft posts are come either from people who have
explicitly been invited to the list by long standing members in time of
crisis, or by long enough standing members, and I've seen Chris' name
plenty times before. Personally I'm interested in seeing how others are
coping with change (in ways other than ignoring its necessity, which is a
viable strategy only for so long).

I see your point Matt, and I don't disagree, but while it's only fair that
this list is used predominantly for those continuing to use Soft (we're
still doing movies with it here at AL), the "Softimage Experience" now is
also about other people who have used Soft sharing their experience in
moving away from it as sad as it might be. Almost everybody, sooner or
later, will have to walk that path, and there's nobody more indicated to
advise than other members of this list.

I don't know, seems a bit of a storm in a glass of water to me.

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Sylvain Lebeau]

This list is and has always been a massive and interesting place for 
discussions and help when we we’re on Soft. Even tought we switched early to 
ramp up fast, I still enjoy to read this place everyday.  Crazy talented and 
technical knowledge we got.. just having to search our mailbox for anwsers when 
we we’re hitting a wall. And peoples always there to help on a starting thread.

I understand both worlds in this discussion. 

But personnaly, and even more with the EOL of Soft, I am very interested in the 
sharing of where peoples are going to for the futur and their new ventures.  
Commercial or freeware softwares I dont really care. Lot’s of nice things have 
been done in Blender afaik. And its so easy to filter out what I want to read 
and search for in my mail application.  Even delete threads I dont feel 
interesting to keep it optimized. 

Just like putting my headphones in the library and go get the books I want to 
read.



sly




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> On May 14, 2015, at 6:45 PM, Matt Lind  wrote:
> 
> I side with Sven on the matter.
> 
> People seem to have confused the concept of forum with mailing list.  If you 
> want to discuss anything and everything, go to a forum as it's designed for 
> that sort of thing.  people can view only what they desire to view and easily 
> ignore what they don't care about.  Migration, plugins, tutorials for product 
> X, and whatever will surely be welcomed there.
> 
> A mailing list is intended for narrow on-topic discussion and not much else 
> because any content submitted is distributed to the entire community intended 
> or not.  Having a lot of non-topic discussion on a mailing list is synonymous 
> to being loud and rude in a library while people are trying to read and 
> study.  While some tangents are OK to keep things interesting, let's try to 
> keep the balance in favor of on topic discussion.  Lately the noise has been 
> higher than the signal.
> 
> Softimage may be EOL, but some of us must continue using it for an indefinite 
> period of time.  When trying to find solutions to problems in a timely manner 
> using the archives or direct help from the user base, we don't need our few 
> remaining channels of support clogged with noise causing a potential solution 
> to be missed in sea of false positives.
> 
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:17:30 +0200
> From: "Sven Constable" 
> Subject: RE: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
> 
> Then I'd like change "we"with "me" in my statement if you feel more 
> comfortable with it. I do respect you the same way as I respect the list. 
> This list is the most proficient source of information in a same way a 
> platform for professionals is meant to discuss even everything else. That?s 
> my point.  This is the softimage mailing list. I read maya topics all the 
> time. 3Dsmax, for gods sake and will tolerate it. And Houdini? Well, it's 
> very welcome and Modo for sure. But discusing freeware? C'mon!
> 
> Well the problem I had was not actually arguing with specific modeling in 
> Blender but the promotion of it in this list. I do not think this is the 
> right place to promote software.
> 
> 
> 
> sven
> 
> 
> 
> From:  <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> 
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ 
> <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> 
> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Thivierge
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:19 PM
> To:  <mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
> 
> 
> 
> Hey Sven,
> 
> I'm not sure you have the right to police this list like that. I don't mind 
> if this kind of stuff is posted here. So when you use the word "we" I'm not 
> sure who you're speaking for but it certainly isn't the whole of this list.
> 
> Anyone wanting to share new ways of working and tools should be able to. This 
> wasn't forbidden before the EOL for Softimage so it shouldn't be now. 
> Especially since the EOL.
> 
> Eric T.
> 
> On 5/14/2015 5:10 PM, Sven Constable wrote:
> 
> Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their software in a 
> inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list. Newtek an SideFX did it as 
> well. It's alright. But please keep in mind, this is the softimage mailing 
> list.
> 
> If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists I will 
> choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for hobbyists, you should 
> use the appropiate forums.
> 
> 
> 
> sven 

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Francois Lord]

If Blender can do stuff at the same level than commercial DCCs, or if it 
can do better in some areas, I want to hear about it. And I want to hear 
about it here, where everybody is looking for alternatives.



On 14-May-15 18:17, Sven Constable wrote:


Then I'd like change "we"with "me" in my statement if you feel more 
comfortable with it. I do respect you the same way as I respect the 
list. This list is the most proficient source of information in a same 
way a platform for professionals is meant to discuss even everything 
else. That’s my point.  This is the softimage mailing list. I read 
maya topics all the time. 3Dsmax, for gods sake and will tolerate it. 
And Houdini? Well, it's very welcome and Modo for sure. But discusing 
freeware? C'mon!


Well the problem I had was not actually arguing with specific modeling 
in Blender but the promotion of it in this list. I do not think this 
is the right place to promote software.


sven

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Eric Thivierge

*Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:19 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

*Subject:* Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

Hey Sven,

I'm not sure you have the right to police this list like that. I don't 
mind if this kind of stuff is posted here. So when you use the word 
"we" I'm not sure who you're speaking for but it certainly isn't the 
whole of this list.


Anyone wanting to share new ways of working and tools should be able 
to. This wasn't forbidden before the EOL for Softimage so it shouldn't 
be now. Especially since the EOL.


Eric T.

On 5/14/2015 5:10 PM, Sven Constable wrote:

Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their
software in a inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list.
Newtek an SideFX did it as well. It's alright. But please keep in
mind, this is the softimage mailing list.

If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists
I will choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for
hobbyists, you should use the appropiate forums.

sven

RE: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Matt Lind]

I side with Sven on the matter.

People seem to have confused the concept of forum with mailing list.  If you 
want to discuss anything and everything, go to a forum as it's designed for 
that sort of thing.  people can view only what they desire to view and 
easily ignore what they don't care about.  Migration, plugins, tutorials for 
product X, and whatever will surely be welcomed there.


A mailing list is intended for narrow on-topic discussion and not much else 
because any content submitted is distributed to the entire community 
intended or not.  Having a lot of non-topic discussion on a mailing list is 
synonymous to being loud and rude in a library while people are trying to 
read and study.  While some tangents are OK to keep things interesting, 
let's try to keep the balance in favor of on topic discussion.  Lately the 
noise has been higher than the signal.


Softimage may be EOL, but some of us must continue using it for an 
indefinite period of time.  When trying to find solutions to problems in a 
timely manner using the archives or direct help from the user base, we don't 
need our few remaining channels of support clogged with noise causing a 
potential solution to be missed in sea of false positives.



Matt





Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:17:30 +0200
From: "Sven Constable" 
Subject: RE: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

Then I'd like change "we"with "me" in my statement if you feel more 
comfortable with it. I do respect you the same way as I respect the list. 
This list is the most proficient source of information in a same way a 
platform for professionals is meant to discuss even everything else. That?s 
my point.  This is the softimage mailing list. I read maya topics all the 
time. 3Dsmax, for gods sake and will tolerate it. And Houdini? Well, it's 
very welcome and Modo for sure. But discusing freeware? C'mon!


Well the problem I had was not actually arguing with specific modeling in 
Blender but the promotion of it in this list. I do not think this is the 
right place to promote software.




sven



From:  <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ 
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> 
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Thivierge

Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:19 PM
To:  <mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> 
softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

Subject: Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?



Hey Sven,

I'm not sure you have the right to police this list like that. I don't mind 
if this kind of stuff is posted here. So when you use the word "we" I'm not 
sure who you're speaking for but it certainly isn't the whole of this list.


Anyone wanting to share new ways of working and tools should be able to. 
This wasn't forbidden before the EOL for Softimage so it shouldn't be now. 
Especially since the EOL.


Eric T.

On 5/14/2015 5:10 PM, Sven Constable wrote:

Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their software in 
a inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list. Newtek an SideFX did it 
as well. It's alright. But please keep in mind, this is the softimage 
mailing list.


If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists I will 
choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for hobbyists, you should 
use the appropiate forums.




sven 

RE: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Sven Constable]

Then I'd like change "we"with "me" in my statement if you feel more comfortable 
with it. I do respect you the same way as I respect the list. This list is the 
most proficient source of information in a same way a platform for 
professionals is meant to discuss even everything else. That’s my point.  This 
is the softimage mailing list. I read maya topics all the time. 3Dsmax, for 
gods sake and will tolerate it. And Houdini? Well, it's very welcome and Modo 
for sure. But discusing freeware? C'mon!

Well the problem I had was not actually arguing with specific modeling in 
Blender but the promotion of it in this list. I do not think this is the right 
place to promote software.

 

sven

 

From:  <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ 
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> 
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Thivierge
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:19 PM
To:  <mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

 

Hey Sven,

I'm not sure you have the right to police this list like that. I don't mind if 
this kind of stuff is posted here. So when you use the word "we" I'm not sure 
who you're speaking for but it certainly isn't the whole of this list.

Anyone wanting to share new ways of working and tools should be able to. This 
wasn't forbidden before the EOL for Softimage so it shouldn't be now. 
Especially since the EOL.

Eric T.

On 5/14/2015 5:10 PM, Sven Constable wrote:

Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their software in a 
inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list. Newtek an SideFX did it as 
well. It's alright. But please keep in mind, this is the softimage mailing list.

If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists I will 
choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for hobbyists, you should use 
the appropiate forums.   

 

sven

 

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

Oh you can post your little blender plugin appreciation essay..I just ban
insults and large attachments ;)
On May 14, 2015 5:19 PM, "Eric Thivierge"  wrote:

>  Hey Sven,
>
> I'm not sure you have the right to police this list like that. I don't
> mind if this kind of stuff is posted here. So when you use the word "we"
> I'm not sure who you're speaking for but it certainly isn't the whole of
> this list.
>
> Anyone wanting to share new ways of working and tools should be able to.
> This wasn't forbidden before the EOL for Softimage so it shouldn't be now.
> Especially since the EOL.
>
> Eric T.
>
> On 5/14/2015 5:10 PM, Sven Constable wrote:
>
>  Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their software
> in a inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list. Newtek an SideFX
> did it as well. It's alright. But please keep in mind, this is the
> softimage mailing list.
>
> If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists I will
> choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for hobbyists, you should
> use the appropiate forums.
>
>
>
> sven
>
>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Tenshi S.]

Maya has nice tools now, but those things are on top of each other, it
sacrifice stability, interaction, and the intuitive way of thinking for new
"features", so i don't like that. I prefer Softimage for modeling, because
it's robust, solid, stable and easy to handle. Maya does the same thing but
the path it's long, with Softimage you'll take the shorter route.

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Sven Constable 
wrote:

> Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their software
> in a inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list. Newtek an SideFX
> did it as well. It's alright. But please keep in mind, this is the
> softimage mailing list.
>
> If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists I will
> choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for hobbyists, you should
> use the appropiate forums.
>
>
>
> sven
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Chris Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:52 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
>
>
>
> Apparently Blender has some great modelling tools. Just to preface...this
> is not the off the shelf Blender. You need to dig around and install a
> bunch of scripts and plugins to get it there. A guy at my office has been
> using it for some time and swears by it. He has the whole thing, plugins
> and scripts wrapped together in a zip that he's willing to hand off...he's
> giving me a demo on Monday. The really nice thing about it is that you can
> run the software from the archive/zip. no install needed. So you can work
> literally anywhere on any computer as long as you have access to import the
> folder from usb or the cloud. Don't think you'd even need admin rights to
> run it.
>
>
>
> I'd be happy to give a review after my demo and supply people with the zip
> if they want it. The stuff is free and this artist is trying to promote it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Stephen, I'll pass this along!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Stephen Blair 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Until April 2016:
>
>
>
> Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage 2015
> can do so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with
> Softimage transition offering. These offerings are available via their
> local reseller and cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
> wrote:
>
> Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from my
> 2015 bundle stuff..
>
>
>
> I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a game
> pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then push
> through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
>
> We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
> Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a
> seat of Softimage, is that impossible?
>
>
>
> I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft and
> must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
>
> Or do they have a special deal with AD?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Eric Thivierge]

Hey Sven,

I'm not sure you have the right to police this list like that. I don't 
mind if this kind of stuff is posted here. So when you use the word "we" 
I'm not sure who you're speaking for but it certainly isn't the whole of 
this list.


Anyone wanting to share new ways of working and tools should be able to. 
This wasn't forbidden before the EOL for Softimage so it shouldn't be 
now. Especially since the EOL.


Eric T.

On 5/14/2015 5:10 PM, Sven Constable wrote:


Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their 
software in a inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list. 
Newtek an SideFX did it as well. It's alright. But please keep in 
mind, this is the softimage mailing list.


If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists I 
will choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for hobbyists, 
you should use the appropiate forums.


sven

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Dan Yargici]

Aren't we past being precious about the usage of this list since the EOL.
Things here have pretty much ground to a halt on the list and there are
plenty of threads discussing alternatives.

Hell, people are even posting direct questions about Maya.  I say lighten
up...

My 2 cents.

DAN

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Sven Constable 
wrote:

> Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their software
> in a inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list. Newtek an SideFX
> did it as well. It's alright. But please keep in mind, this is the
> softimage mailing list.
>
> If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists I will
> choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for hobbyists, you should
> use the appropiate forums.
>
>
>
> sven
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Chris Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:52 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
>
>
>
> Apparently Blender has some great modelling tools. Just to preface...this
> is not the off the shelf Blender. You need to dig around and install a
> bunch of scripts and plugins to get it there. A guy at my office has been
> using it for some time and swears by it. He has the whole thing, plugins
> and scripts wrapped together in a zip that he's willing to hand off...he's
> giving me a demo on Monday. The really nice thing about it is that you can
> run the software from the archive/zip. no install needed. So you can work
> literally anywhere on any computer as long as you have access to import the
> folder from usb or the cloud. Don't think you'd even need admin rights to
> run it.
>
>
>
> I'd be happy to give a review after my demo and supply people with the zip
> if they want it. The stuff is free and this artist is trying to promote it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Stephen, I'll pass this along!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Stephen Blair 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Until April 2016:
>
>
>
> Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage 2015
> can do so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with
> Softimage transition offering. These offerings are available via their
> local reseller and cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
> wrote:
>
> Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from my
> 2015 bundle stuff..
>
>
>
> I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a game
> pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then push
> through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
>
> We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
> Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a
> seat of Softimage, is that impossible?
>
>
>
> I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft and
> must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
>
> Or do they have a special deal with AD?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Sven Constable]

Hey Chris, we have some problem if people want to promote their software in a 
inappropriate way. ADSK did this this on the list. Newtek an SideFX did it as 
well. It's alright. But please keep in mind, this is the softimage mailing list.

If I want to model with hobbyist software, controlled by hobbyists I will 
choose Blender. If you want to promote a software for hobbyists, you should use 
the appropiate forums.   

 

sven

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnson
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:52 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

 

Apparently Blender has some great modelling tools. Just to preface...this is 
not the off the shelf Blender. You need to dig around and install a bunch of 
scripts and plugins to get it there. A guy at my office has been using it for 
some time and swears by it. He has the whole thing, plugins and scripts wrapped 
together in a zip that he's willing to hand off...he's giving me a demo on 
Monday. The really nice thing about it is that you can run the software from 
the archive/zip. no install needed. So you can work literally anywhere on any 
computer as long as you have access to import the folder from usb or the cloud. 
Don't think you'd even need admin rights to run it.

 

I'd be happy to give a review after my demo and supply people with the zip if 
they want it. The stuff is free and this artist is trying to promote it.

 

 

 

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Scott Parrish  wrote:

Thanks Stephen, I'll pass this along!

 

 

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Stephen Blair  wrote:

 

Until April 2016:

 

Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage 2015 can do 
so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with Softimage 
transition offering. These offerings are available via their local reseller and 
cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store. 

 

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish  wrote:

Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from my 2015 
bundle stuff..

 

I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a game 
pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then push 
through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.

We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for Softimage 
now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a seat of 
Softimage, is that impossible?

 

I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft and must 
grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?

Or do they have a special deal with AD?

 

Thanks

 

scott

 

 

 

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Dan Yargici]

I really like the Blender modelling toolset, throw in CGCookie's (paid)
RetopoFlow  for
retopology and you're in pretty good shape.  BoolTool and F2 are also nice
additions - you can see them (among other nice addons) here

.

DAN

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Eugene Flormata 
wrote:

> @Chris Johnson
> I'd give that a try!
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Chris Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>> Apparently Blender has some great modelling tools. Just to preface...this
>> is not the off the shelf Blender. You need to dig around and install a
>> bunch of scripts and plugins to get it there. A guy at my office has been
>> using it for some time and swears by it. He has the whole thing, plugins
>> and scripts wrapped together in a zip that he's willing to hand off...he's
>> giving me a demo on Monday. The really nice thing about it is that you can
>> run the software from the archive/zip. no install needed. So you can work
>> literally anywhere on any computer as long as you have access to import the
>> folder from usb or the cloud. Don't think you'd even need admin rights to
>> run it.
>>
>> I'd be happy to give a review after my demo and supply people with the
>> zip if they want it. The stuff is free and this artist is trying to promote
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Stephen, I'll pass this along!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Stephen Blair 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Until April 2016:

 Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage
 2015 can do so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with
 Softimage transition offering. These offerings are available via their
 local reseller and cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store.

 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
 wrote:

> Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from
> my 2015 bundle stuff..
>
> I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a
> game pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then
> push through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
> We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
> Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain 
> a
> seat of Softimage, is that impossible?
>
> I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft
> and must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
> Or do they have a special deal with AD?
>
> Thanks
>
> scott
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Eugene Flormata]

@Chris Johnson
I'd give that a try!

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Chris Johnson  wrote:

> Apparently Blender has some great modelling tools. Just to preface...this
> is not the off the shelf Blender. You need to dig around and install a
> bunch of scripts and plugins to get it there. A guy at my office has been
> using it for some time and swears by it. He has the whole thing, plugins
> and scripts wrapped together in a zip that he's willing to hand off...he's
> giving me a demo on Monday. The really nice thing about it is that you can
> run the software from the archive/zip. no install needed. So you can work
> literally anywhere on any computer as long as you have access to import the
> folder from usb or the cloud. Don't think you'd even need admin rights to
> run it.
>
> I'd be happy to give a review after my demo and supply people with the zip
> if they want it. The stuff is free and this artist is trying to promote it.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Stephen, I'll pass this along!
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Stephen Blair 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Until April 2016:
>>>
>>> Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage 2015
>>> can do so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with
>>> Softimage transition offering. These offerings are available via their
>>> local reseller and cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from
 my 2015 bundle stuff..

 I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a
 game pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then
 push through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
 We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
 Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a
 seat of Softimage, is that impossible?

 I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft
 and must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
 Or do they have a special deal with AD?

 Thanks

 scott

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Eric Turman]

Yeah, I've tried to get into blender in the past and it felt too much like
Max. This might just be the ticket. Please do share. Thanks!

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Chris Johnson  wrote:

> Apparently Blender has some great modelling tools. Just to preface...this
> is not the off the shelf Blender. You need to dig around and install a
> bunch of scripts and plugins to get it there. A guy at my office has been
> using it for some time and swears by it. He has the whole thing, plugins
> and scripts wrapped together in a zip that he's willing to hand off...he's
> giving me a demo on Monday. The really nice thing about it is that you can
> run the software from the archive/zip. no install needed. So you can work
> literally anywhere on any computer as long as you have access to import the
> folder from usb or the cloud. Don't think you'd even need admin rights to
> run it.
>
> I'd be happy to give a review after my demo and supply people with the zip
> if they want it. The stuff is free and this artist is trying to promote it.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Stephen, I'll pass this along!
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Stephen Blair 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Until April 2016:
>>>
>>> Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage 2015
>>> can do so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with
>>> Softimage transition offering. These offerings are available via their
>>> local reseller and cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from
 my 2015 bundle stuff..

 I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a
 game pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then
 push through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
 We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
 Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a
 seat of Softimage, is that impossible?

 I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft
 and must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
 Or do they have a special deal with AD?

 Thanks

 scott

>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 




-=T=-

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Graham Bell]

To begin with, yes. But I think it was opened up to anyone. I'd check on
that though.


On Thu, 14 May 2015 at 20:57, Sven Constable 
wrote:

> That only apply to existing costumers of softimage right? 3Dsmax or Maya
> only studios cannot buy any seats of softimage even within a bundle?
>
> sven
>
>
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Parrish
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:44 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?
>
>
>
> Thanks Stephen, I'll pass this along!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Stephen Blair 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Until April 2016:
>
>
>
> Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage 2015
> can do so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with
> Softimage transition offering. These offerings are available via their
> local reseller and cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
> wrote:
>
> Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from my
> 2015 bundle stuff..
>
>
>
> I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a game
> pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then push
> through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
>
> We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
> Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a
> seat of Softimage, is that impossible?
>
>
>
> I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft and
> must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
>
> Or do they have a special deal with AD?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> scott
>
>
>
>
>

RE: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Sven Constable]

That only apply to existing costumers of softimage right? 3Dsmax or Maya only 
studios cannot buy any seats of softimage even within a bundle?

sven

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Scott Parrish
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:44 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

 

Thanks Stephen, I'll pass this along!

 

 

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Stephen Blair  wrote:

 

Until April 2016:

 

Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage 2015 can do 
so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with Softimage 
transition offering. These offerings are available via their local reseller and 
cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store. 

 

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish  wrote:

Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from my 2015 
bundle stuff..

 

I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a game 
pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then push 
through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.

We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for Softimage 
now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a seat of 
Softimage, is that impossible?

 

I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft and must 
grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?

Or do they have a special deal with AD?

 

Thanks

 

scott

 

 

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Chris Johnson]

Apparently Blender has some great modelling tools. Just to preface...this
is not the off the shelf Blender. You need to dig around and install a
bunch of scripts and plugins to get it there. A guy at my office has been
using it for some time and swears by it. He has the whole thing, plugins
and scripts wrapped together in a zip that he's willing to hand off...he's
giving me a demo on Monday. The really nice thing about it is that you can
run the software from the archive/zip. no install needed. So you can work
literally anywhere on any computer as long as you have access to import the
folder from usb or the cloud. Don't think you'd even need admin rights to
run it.

I'd be happy to give a review after my demo and supply people with the zip
if they want it. The stuff is free and this artist is trying to promote it.



On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Scott Parrish  wrote:

> Thanks Stephen, I'll pass this along!
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Stephen Blair 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Until April 2016:
>>
>> Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage 2015
>> can do so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with
>> Softimage transition offering. These offerings are available via their
>> local reseller and cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store.
>>
>> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from my
>>> 2015 bundle stuff..
>>>
>>> I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a game
>>> pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then push
>>> through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
>>> We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
>>> Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a
>>> seat of Softimage, is that impossible?
>>>
>>> I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft
>>> and must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
>>> Or do they have a special deal with AD?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> scott
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Scott Parrish]

Thanks Stephen, I'll pass this along!


On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Stephen Blair 
wrote:

>
> Until April 2016:
>
> Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage 2015
> can do so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with
> Softimage transition offering. These offerings are available via their
> local reseller and cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store.
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
> wrote:
>
>> Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from my
>> 2015 bundle stuff..
>>
>> I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a game
>> pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then push
>> through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
>> We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
>> Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a
>> seat of Softimage, is that impossible?
>>
>> I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft and
>> must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
>> Or do they have a special deal with AD?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> scott
>>
>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Juhani Karlsson]

I would definitely recommend Modo for modeling/uvs. Maya is getting ok, but
it's not that great.
On 14 May 2015 13:49, "Stephen Blair"  wrote:

>
> Until April 2016:
>
> Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage 2015
> can do so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with
> Softimage transition offering. These offerings are available via their
> local reseller and cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store.
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish 
> wrote:
>
>> Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from my
>> 2015 bundle stuff..
>>
>> I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a game
>> pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then push
>> through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
>> We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
>> Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a
>> seat of Softimage, is that impossible?
>>
>> I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft and
>> must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
>> Or do they have a special deal with AD?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> scott
>>
>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Stephen Blair]

Until April 2016:

Customers who wish to purchase new or additional seats of Softimage 2015
can do so by purchasing either the Maya with Softimage or 3ds Max with
Softimage transition offering. These offerings are available via their
local reseller and cannot be purchased through the Autodesk e-store.

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Parrish  wrote:

> Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from my
> 2015 bundle stuff..
>
> I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a game
> pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then push
> through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
> We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
> Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a
> seat of Softimage, is that impossible?
>
> I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft and
> must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
> Or do they have a special deal with AD?
>
> Thanks
>
> scott
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Tim Leydecker]

Martin,

that´s true. It´s really, really nice in softimage how one can model 
topology changes into a skinned mesh

without breaking the envelope immediately.

I haven´t tried that in Maya yet. I forgot.

Cheers,

tim





Am 14.05.2015 um 08:55 schrieb Martin Yara:
AFAIK you can purchase new licenses of Softimage until next year when 
you won't be able to purchase anything, only rent. Maybe if you are 
big enough and want to buy lot of licenses Autodesk may do an 
exception, I don't know.


We purchased a few Maya and Softimage bundles last month because we 
still have some projects that are being done in Softimage and we will 
probably still have Softimage projects at least a couple of years.


About Maya 2016 modeling tools, I can't really talk about it. In 
games, we usually work in 3+ years old versions and Maya 2014 modeling 
still sucks (better than before though). MTK looked promising but 
since you can't use it with skinned objects, it isn't very useful for 
characters.


How easy you can model and edit a weighted character's polygons and 
deformers without breaking everything is something I haven't found 
anywhere yet.


Martin




On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Tim Leydecker > wrote:


For modeling, you may actually want to have a look at Maya 2016.

Yes, I´m saying that. I´m in the process of learning new tools and
workflows
and am positively surprised about Maya 2016 and the MTK (modeling
tool kit).

In my specific case, using lot´s of boxes for dimensions and
snapping and generally
trying (and failing) to work to accurate scale, Maya´s 2016 tools
prove good enough.

Things like sliding components around their surface are sometimes
less convenient than
in Softimage but a lot has happened and there´s multiple ways and
options to set to taste.

There ´s also a Maya LT version, I´m not sure about the licensing
intricacies or other limitations
of the Maya LT version but from how it´s advertised, it sounds a
bit like XSI Foundation:

http://www.autodesk.com/products/maya-lt/features/all/gallery-view

Starting at 30 bucks a month.

Cheers,


tim





Am 13.05.2015 um 23:44 schrieb Scott Parrish:

Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of
Softimage from my 2015 bundle stuff..

I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least
in a game pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever
package and then push through to the mainline pipeline in Maya
or Max or whatever.
We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new
licenses for Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new
employer and wants to obtain a seat of Softimage, is that
impossible?

I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working
in Soft and must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
Or do they have a special deal with AD?

Thanks

scott

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Martin Yara]

AFAIK you can purchase new licenses of Softimage until next year when you
won't be able to purchase anything, only rent. Maybe if you are big enough
and want to buy lot of licenses Autodesk may do an exception, I don't know.

We purchased a few Maya and Softimage bundles last month because we still
have some projects that are being done in Softimage and we will probably
still have Softimage projects at least a couple of years.

About Maya 2016 modeling tools, I can't really talk about it. In games, we
usually work in 3+ years old versions and Maya 2014 modeling still sucks
(better than before though). MTK looked promising but since you can't use
it with skinned objects, it isn't very useful for characters.

How easy you can model and edit a weighted character's polygons and
deformers without breaking everything is something I haven't found anywhere
yet.

Martin




On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Tim Leydecker  wrote:

> For modeling, you may actually want to have a look at Maya 2016.
>
> Yes, I´m saying that. I´m in the process of learning new tools and
> workflows
> and am positively surprised about Maya 2016 and the MTK (modeling tool
> kit).
>
> In my specific case, using lot´s of boxes for dimensions and snapping and
> generally
> trying (and failing) to work to accurate scale, Maya´s 2016 tools prove
> good enough.
>
> Things like sliding components around their surface are sometimes less
> convenient than
> in Softimage but a lot has happened and there´s multiple ways and options
> to set to taste.
>
> There ´s also a Maya LT version, I´m not sure about the licensing
> intricacies or other limitations
> of the Maya LT version but from how it´s advertised, it sounds a bit like
> XSI Foundation:
>
> http://www.autodesk.com/products/maya-lt/features/all/gallery-view
>
> Starting at 30 bucks a month.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 13.05.2015 um 23:44 schrieb Scott Parrish:
>
>> Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from my
>> 2015 bundle stuff..
>>
>> I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a game
>> pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then push
>> through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
>> We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
>> Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a
>> seat of Softimage, is that impossible?
>>
>> I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft and
>> must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
>> Or do they have a special deal with AD?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> scott
>>
>
>

Re: Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Tim Leydecker]

For modeling, you may actually want to have a look at Maya 2016.

Yes, I´m saying that. I´m in the process of learning new tools and workflows
and am positively surprised about Maya 2016 and the MTK (modeling tool kit).

In my specific case, using lot´s of boxes for dimensions and snapping 
and generally
trying (and failing) to work to accurate scale, Maya´s 2016 tools prove 
good enough.


Things like sliding components around their surface are sometimes less 
convenient than
in Softimage but a lot has happened and there´s multiple ways and 
options to set to taste.


There ´s also a Maya LT version, I´m not sure about the licensing 
intricacies or other limitations
of the Maya LT version but from how it´s advertised, it sounds a bit 
like XSI Foundation:


http://www.autodesk.com/products/maya-lt/features/all/gallery-view

Starting at 30 bucks a month.

Cheers,


tim




Am 13.05.2015 um 23:44 schrieb Scott Parrish:
Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from 
my 2015 bundle stuff..


I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a 
game pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and 
then push through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for 
Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to 
obtain a seat of Softimage, is that impossible?


I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft 
and must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?

Or do they have a special deal with AD?

Thanks

scott

Is purchasing a new softimage license impossible?

[Scott Parrish]

Asking a question for a friend, I still have a seat of Softimage from my
2015 bundle stuff..

I know some people who like modeling in Softimage and at least in a game
pipeline it's still pretty easy to model in whatever package and then push
through to the mainline pipeline in Maya or Max or whatever.
We were wondering is there NO way at all to obtain new licenses for
Softimage now? I.e. if someone goes to a new employer and wants to obtain a
seat of Softimage, is that impossible?

I wondered how that works since Animal Logic is still working in Soft and
must grow their license pool as shows ramp up, right?
Or do they have a special deal with AD?

Thanks

scott