RE: Re[2]: check valve

[George Crawford]

Thanks for the info Bert
Noel (George) Crawford
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From: Bert & Edmunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam 
Subject: Re[2]: check valve
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:31:37 +0100

George.

Both Regner and Reppingen are in Germany.

  Bert (in Austria)
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Re: Re[2]: Boiler bushing bronze

[Mike Chaney]

Bert warned:-
 
> These are my sentiments exactly. Turning copper is for the beginner
> inviting the "ploughed field" finish if it doesnt get torn out of the
> chuck to disappear with high speed past your left ear. 

Just as long as it's not the right of the left ear

Mike (been there, done that - just once!)
 

Re: Re[4]: twin fire tube boilers

[Bob]

Bert,

I experienced a similar problem with my early C21 a year ago. Part of the
problem was that the "splitter" had been bent too tightly and was kinked
restricting gas flow to one side(Accucraft supplied a replacement) and the
flexible gas feed pipe was too long when the tender was close coupled again
forming a kink and restricting gas flow.

I now only occasionally have one jet go out in cold weather when gas
pressure is low and deal with this by having warm water in the tender to
just up to the underside of the gas tank

I have seen other C21's with this problem is it is not uncommon. Like other
early C21's the steam pipe through my displacement lubricator was also bent
too tightly and kinked.

Regards
Bob

- Original Message -
From: "Bert & Edmunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:42 AM
Subject: Re[4]: twin fire tube boilers


> Mike.
>
> Thank you for your offer. I have talked extensively with Cliff on this
> one and as you said he was very helpful, but having just moved to a new
> building  and his new workshop not yet as he would like it he was not
> able to confirm that this is a common problem. I suspect that some
> people may have the problem crop up and not be aware of it. The engine
> still runs on one burner, but not with the gauge showing 75 psi! I
> have been passed a couple of test reports where the problem was
> mentioned.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Bert.
>
>
> -
> Bert &  Edmunda
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>

 

Re: Re[2]: twin fire tube boilers

[M Paterson]

Bert

I am not an owner of an Accucraft engine with dual
burners. Own a Ruby and a Fort Wilderness. Accucraft's
main distribution center is located within a few miles
of my work place plus it is a local telephone call. If
you can provide more specific information off line to
me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will try to contact Cliff at
Accucraft and see what he has to say. They are very
helpful people.

Mike Paterson

--- Bert & Edmunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gary
> 
> Thank you for the input there is no leakage. It
> seems to be a problem
> that has been experienced by more than a couple of
> people I know here
> in mid Europe. I was hoping as the main market for
> U.S. railroad models
> is obvious the USA to save carrying out all the
> possibilities
> in that someone had solved the "problem" and we
> could take the short
> cut. A lot of people here speak English, but many
> shy from the hard
> work of writing in a foreign language. I have been
> able to offer quite
> a lot of help thanks to this group which is for my
> money the best thing
> since tea bags. Now and again people ring up and say
> "Could you ask
> your group this, or that", and so on. An awful lot
> of the advice here
> gets translated and passed on sort of behind your
> backs.   May be some
> day it will take off in German!!
> 
> Just a quick note on the fence posts I think the
> local conditions are
> the ones to watch. I came from flat England to live
> at just over 1000m
> above sea level. It is a south slope 6 feet of snow
> is not to much but
> the sun burns in it about 20° in winter. It doesn't
> matter how deep
> you plant your posts they just start to move down
> hill, often trees don't
> even make it. There is an awful lot of water running
> off the melting
> snow filtering through our ground. My two penneth is
> ask the guy next
> door.  One thing which is used in both landscapes
> was set them in
> sand!   I am pleased I dont have to choose one
> of the many
> suggestions.
> 
> Bert
> -
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>  
> 


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Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water

[Geoff Spenceley]

Tom,
Thanks, I had discussed the fittings with Bob Paule but so 
unfortunately he didn't have the opportunity to pursue the matter.

Geoff
Geoff
Having worked R&D in the medical industry I was aware of the variety of luer
fittings available.  I always concentrated on the stainless steel ones and
never even gave a thought to the nylon ones being useful.  After Diamondhead
I will check and see if we can start stocking some of the luer-lok fittings
for tubing.  Probably just fittings for 3/32" and 1/8" tubing.
Keep steaming,
Tom Eaton
Sulphur Springs Steam Models
- Original Message -
From: "Geoff Spenceley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water

 >Joe,
 Thanks for the site, altho the fittings seem too big. I use Ark-Plas
 fittingsa lot. They are nylon I believe, very inexpensive and close
 with about a 1/4 turn, good up to 60psi or more. I have one installed
 my Schools but use them mostly for air connections when testing my
 locos big and little. They are not  designed for connecting when the
 line is pressurized but  work very well where there is no pressure
 or when connecting  where there is a check valve. They only sell them
 in bulk, so they sent me quite a few gratis! This was several years
 ago and I have had complete success-- with hot water too.
 Ark-Plas Products Flippin, AR  (501) 453-2343
   There are lots of sites on them-I suggest you search Yahoo for
 Ark-Plas Products and you'll find lots about Ark-Plas  for
 information , now I have to explore myself! --I think Sulphur Springs
 should carry them!
 A short  hose to could fitted  to the tender feed of a Lion and Gary
 could use his Trackside pump quite effectively--No fiddly screwing -
 almost as quick as inserting the Squirt bottle tube
 Geoff

Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water

[Tom Eaton]

Geoff

Having worked R&D in the medical industry I was aware of the variety of luer
fittings available.  I always concentrated on the stainless steel ones and
never even gave a thought to the nylon ones being useful.  After Diamondhead
I will check and see if we can start stocking some of the luer-lok fittings
for tubing.  Probably just fittings for 3/32" and 1/8" tubing.

Keep steaming,

Tom Eaton
Sulphur Springs Steam Models


- Original Message - 
From: "Geoff Spenceley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water


> >Joe,
>
> Thanks for the site, altho the fittings seem too big. I use Ark-Plas
> fittingsa lot. They are nylon I believe, very inexpensive and close
> with about a 1/4 turn, good up to 60psi or more. I have one installed
> my Schools but use them mostly for air connections when testing my
> locos big and little. They are not  designed for connecting when the
> line is pressurized but  work very well where there is no pressure
> or when connecting  where there is a check valve. They only sell them
> in bulk, so they sent me quite a few gratis! This was several years
> ago and I have had complete success-- with hot water too.
>
> Ark-Plas Products Flippin, AR  (501) 453-2343
>
>   There are lots of sites on them-I suggest you search Yahoo for
> Ark-Plas Products and you'll find lots about Ark-Plas  for
> information , now I have to explore myself! --I think Sulphur Springs
> should carry them!
>
> A short  hose to could fitted  to the tender feed of a Lion and Gary
> could use his Trackside pump quite effectively--No fiddly screwing -
> almost as quick as inserting the Squirt bottle tube
>
>
> Geoff
 

Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water

[Andre' Schofield]

Bert,
Those coupler would work to install a gas line into the on board fuel tank 
then?  That would certainly make things easier here.  I am working on adding 
a line to the onboard fuel tank so I can use the fuel regulator for propane. 
 I will have the propane tank run thru its regulator and then thru this 
connector into the fuel tank.  That way I can run propane during the winter 
and Butane for summer if I don't want to be hauling a trail car behind me 
all the time!

Andre'

Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water

[Andre' Schofield]

Now if someone would locate a source for them and pass it 
alongOR...order in some and sell them off to the rest of us.  I'd like 
to find one to replace the cap on the filler on the Shay!  Then the bunker 
pump could disappear and there would be room in the tank for the RC gear!

Andre'

Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water

[Geoff Spenceley]

Joe,

The fittings will will work great with a Goodall valve which is just 
a check valve anyway. The line is not pressurized until the check 
valve is forced open when the  the water is injected under pressure.

Geoff
You mention the Ark-Plas are not for use when the line is pressurized.  I
was wondering if connection to a Goodall type valve is technically
considered pressurized.  The valve has no pressure when connecting, but of
course when one begins to pump then pressure is being pumped against through
a one way valve. So, can the Ark-Plas connect through a check valve?
| >Joe,
|
| Thanks for the site, altho the fittings seem too big. I use Ark-Plas
| fittingsa lot. They are nylon I believe, very inexpensive and close
| with about a 1/4 turn, good up to 60psi or more. I have one installed
| my Schools but use them mostly for air connections when testing my
| locos big and little. They are not  designed for connecting when the
| line is pressurized but  work very well where there is no pressure
| or when connecting  where there is a check valve. They only sell them
| in bulk, so they sent me quite a few gratis! This was several years
| ago and I have had complete success-- with hot water too.
|
| Ark-Plas Products Flippin, AR  (501) 453-2343

Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water

[Gary]

You mention the Ark-Plas are not for use when the line is pressurized.  I
was wondering if connection to a Goodall type valve is technically
considered pressurized.  The valve has no pressure when connecting, but of
course when one begins to pump then pressure is being pumped against through
a one way valve. So, can the Ark-Plas connect through a check valve?


| >Joe,
|
| Thanks for the site, altho the fittings seem too big. I use Ark-Plas
| fittingsa lot. They are nylon I believe, very inexpensive and close
| with about a 1/4 turn, good up to 60psi or more. I have one installed
| my Schools but use them mostly for air connections when testing my
| locos big and little. They are not  designed for connecting when the
| line is pressurized but  work very well where there is no pressure
| or when connecting  where there is a check valve. They only sell them
| in bulk, so they sent me quite a few gratis! This was several years
| ago and I have had complete success-- with hot water too.
|
| Ark-Plas Products Flippin, AR  (501) 453-2343
 

Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water

[Geoff Spenceley]

Joe,
Thanks for the site, altho the fittings seem too big. I use Ark-Plas 
fittingsa lot. They are nylon I believe, very inexpensive and close 
with about a 1/4 turn, good up to 60psi or more. I have one installed 
my Schools but use them mostly for air connections when testing my 
locos big and little. They are not  designed for connecting when the 
line is pressurized but  work very well where there is no pressure 
or when connecting  where there is a check valve. They only sell them 
in bulk, so they sent me quite a few gratis! This was several years 
ago and I have had complete success-- with hot water too.

Ark-Plas Products Flippin, AR  (501) 453-2343
 There are lots of sites on them-I suggest you search Yahoo for 
Ark-Plas Products and you'll find lots about Ark-Plas  for 
information , now I have to explore myself! --I think Sulphur Springs 
should carry them!

A short  hose to could fitted  to the tender feed of a Lion and Gary 
could use his Trackside pump quite effectively--No fiddly screwing - 
almost as quick as inserting the Squirt bottle tube

Geoff

Hello,
Would something like this work:
http://www.snap-tite.com/Quick_Disconnect/general_purpose_poppet_coupling/h_series/index.html
For the Lion, the tender inlet would have to be modified.

Regards,
Joe

 Hi Gary
 We use small diameter quick connectors for our gas tanks. These can also
 be used for water etc.  They are a miniature version of the fittings
 used on compressed air hoses etc. just pull back the outside ring and
 there you are.  If they hold gas pressure they'll hold water pressures
 in our boilers.
 Oh, before I sign off: Seasons greetings to the whole gang from Austria.
 Bert
 -
 Bert &  Edmunda
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Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water

[Gary]

Well now, that does look right handy!


| Hello,
|
| Would something like this work:
|
|
http://www.snap-tite.com/Quick_Disconnect/general_purpose_poppet_coupling/h_series/index.html
|
| For the Lion, the tender inlet would have to be modified.
|
|
|
| Regards,
| Joe
|
|
| > Hi Gary
| >
| > We use small diameter quick connectors for our gas tanks. These can also
| > be used for water etc.  They are a miniature version of the fittings
| > used on compressed air hoses etc. just pull back the outside ring and
| > there you are.  If they hold gas pressure they'll hold water pressures
| > in our boilers.
| >
| > Oh, before I sign off: Seasons greetings to the whole gang from Austria.
| >
| > Bert
| >
| >
| > -
| > Bert &  Edmunda
| > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| >
 

Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water

[jsbetsko]

and here is another possible solution...

http://www.colder.com/asp_main/MCTS.asp

I would imagine the supplied tender inlet and hose would be totally replaced by 
a longer hose and the disconnect bits.

Regards,
Joe


> Hello,
> 
> Would something like this work:
> 
> http://www.snap-tite.com/Quick_Disconnect/general_purpose_poppet_coupling/h_seri
> es/index.html
> 
> For the Lion, the tender inlet would have to be modified.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Joe
> 
> 
> > Hi Gary
> > 
> > We use small diameter quick connectors for our gas tanks. These can also
> > be used for water etc.  They are a miniature version of the fittings
> > used on compressed air hoses etc. just pull back the outside ring and
> > there you are.  If they hold gas pressure they'll hold water pressures
> > in our boilers.
> > 
> > Oh, before I sign off: Seasons greetings to the whole gang from Austria.
> > 
> > Bert
> > 
> > 
> > -
> > Bert &  Edmunda
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >

Re: Re[2]: Aster Lion topping with water

[jsbetsko]

Hello,

Would something like this work:

http://www.snap-tite.com/Quick_Disconnect/general_purpose_poppet_coupling/h_series/index.html

For the Lion, the tender inlet would have to be modified.



Regards,
Joe


> Hi Gary
> 
> We use small diameter quick connectors for our gas tanks. These can also
> be used for water etc.  They are a miniature version of the fittings
> used on compressed air hoses etc. just pull back the outside ring and
> there you are.  If they hold gas pressure they'll hold water pressures
> in our boilers.
> 
> Oh, before I sign off: Seasons greetings to the whole gang from Austria.
> 
> Bert
> 
> 
> -
> Bert &  Edmunda
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   

Re: RE: The Spitinator

[Andre' Schofield]

Thanks Bruce...I appreciate the honesty.  I'm always looking for little 
things to tweak a loco.  But don't need it unless I get a two cylinder.  
Which is not a bad reason to buy one mind you!

Andre'

Re: RE: The Spitinator

[Bruce Gathman]

Andre',

I've seen no reason to use it on the three cylinder.  And the design is totally
different.

Bruce


On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:28:01 +, "Andre' Schofield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>Bruce,
>
>I'll assume the Spitinator will also work on the 3 cylinder Shay?
>
>  If so please email me more info please!!
>
>Andre'
>
> 



Eldorado Timber and Mining Company
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Live Steam Shay Locomotives and Lots of Logs Cars!

Bruce G. Gathman,
President

RE: Re[4]: sslivesteam2-Digest - Number 320

[Christopher Coley]

The fifth cell was common on some older battery powered CB's and Ham radios.
If using NiCd (also counts NiMH) 1.2V cells add a fifth (5 x 1.2 = 6V) which
gives the same voltage as 4 alkaline (4 x 1.5 = 6V).  This could make a big
difference.

Ok now the question where to get 5 cell battery holders?

Chris. 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bert & Edmunda
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:21 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
> Subject: Re[4]: sslivesteam2-Digest - Number 320
> 
> Tag.
> 
> Regarding batteries.
> 
> We use rechargeables from our local "Modelsport!"
> shop. They are Sanyo Ni-MH2100 (2100mAh) & Ni-MH2300 at 1.2V.(2300mAh)
> It may be that 1.5V batteries improve the situation.  Thanks for the
> tip we will try that one soon. It is 1.2V less. or maybe a fifth
> cell to bump it up to 6V?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Bert!
> 
> 
> -
> Bert &  Edmunda
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
> 
> 

 

Re: Re[2]: sslivesteam2-Digest - Number 320

[Tag Gorton]

On 23/8/04 9:12 pm, "Bert & Edmunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Dave.
> 
>  A friend and myself both run Accucraft C-16s among others. we both
>  have the same RC unit. my engine runs well Manfreds does not.  We
>  swapped various parts to try to find the reason. I dropped to a cheap
>  27Mhz rc. my loco still performed well. The other one using my radio
>  did not. I feel it has not so much to do with the radio gear as with
>  the individual loco. I am convinced that cheap glitching is less
>  annoying than expensive glitching. (Do you always get what you pay
>  for?)  We are now looking for a reason which is probably much less
>  complicated than we think and probably the tea lady has better
>  chances of solving the problem than we have. After all she knows
>  nothing about radio gear.  We have also found that often models play
>  up at the same spot. If we have two weak radios they only play up at
>  distinct points.stronger instalations have no problems. We have
>  almost written it off as whitchcraft.

Does one of you use rechargables instead of dry batteries? Other than a
locomotive supplied with them on purchase I always use cheap dry batteries
which can make a significant difference.
-- 
Tag Gorton
Editor
Garden Rail
Atlantic Publishers
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RE: Re[2]: sslivesteam2-Digest - Number 320

[Ciambrone, Steve @ OS]

On this side of the Atlantic we call it Black Magic, the guys who can solve
it call it a Black Art.

Might try moving everything except the servos to the tender or a following
freight or passenger car.  Distance from the moving parts can help
considerably.

I have gained my experience from flying electric R/C planes, which the
glitching can be the death of a model.

Steve



We have
 almost written it off as whitchcraft.

 Bert in the Austrian (bewitched?) Alps.


-
Bert &  Edmunda
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Re: Re[2]: R/C Glitching

[Tag Gorton]

On 14/8/04 9:30 am, "Bert & Edmunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Vance,
> 
> On this subject I tried this system without a lot of success. I then met a
> guy with a model submarine who recommended wrapping the antenna around
> a piece of 10mm dia wood or plastic tube. Then wrapping the whole in
> aluminium foil, leaving about 1" outside. I tried it and it works. I
> passed it on to others who have had problems. it is not 100% in all
> cases but it is an improvement and very much worth a try. It also
> needs very little space. I think the trick is the 20mm of antenna
> free. plus the position must be turned to find the best spot as you do
> with the pinking shears method.  Hope this helps.

One can insulate and use one of the domes on the boiler, with the rest of
the aerial wire wrapped round a card former. The standard offering on many
UK models is to have an insulated roof hatch on the top of the cab as a
beacon. If one still gets glitching then a servo smoother with vary take up
speed will solve the problem completely. I would recommend one but am sure
that these things are available from different suppliers world wide.
-- 
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Re: Re[2]: Paso Robles Track

[Dave Cole]

At 8:43 PM -0400 6/5/04, Walt Swartz wrote:
what ever happened to the frames that I sent out to San Jose some time back
in the 90"s?
those were the basis for what we call the "pcls track." you wouldn't 
recognize your frames, but they are in there somewhere ...

you can see pictures of it on mike martin's web site
http://www.panyo.com/nss2003/
it's the track that has the camouflage paint job on the deck (thank 
you vickie-marie).

\dmc
--
^^^
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  Pacifica, Calif. USA  
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Re: Re[2]: Paso Robles Track

[Walt Swartz]

As soon as I can track down one of their managers, I'll try to find out.
Around here those guys are harder to get to see than getting an appointment
with an MD!

what ever happened to the frames that I sent out to San Jose some time back
in the 90"s?
Keep your steam up!
Walt

 

RE: Re[2]: wire for threading 0-80 (Now annealing & tempering)

[Terry Griner]

Being a hobby blacksmith I learned that joke very early. Also the trick where the 
smith holds the 15 lbs. sledge hammer at arms length, then bends the wrist until he 
can kiss the hammer face. I only did it once, and I've still got my front teeth!

Terry Griner
Columbus Ohio USA
(Where it is STILL raining!)
 

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re[2]: wire for threading 0-80 (Now annealing & tempering)

Harry

you don't see any problems with that big ball pein hammer?

You ever heard about the old Smith who siad to his stiker
"when I nod my head - you hit it" ?  Oh boy, thin wire big hammer, there
are good chances of hitting the nail right on the thumb.


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Re: Re: [was: empty subject lines]

[M Paterson]

Dave
Please submit a sample message as a trial.  I am sure
I need to adjust something to prevent a tag file from
moving directly to my "bulk" messages which I delete
without even checking on sender.
mp
--- Dave Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> all hands:
> 
> chris coley asked a few weeks back to have some sort
> of tag put onto 
> the subject lines of messages; i can do this as long
> as people don't 
> think it will screw up their filters, etc.
> 
> i propose that we use the tag SSLS ... if this
> message had been sent 
> with this tag, the subject line would have looked
> like this:
> 
>   SSLS: Re: Re:  [was: empty subject lines]
> 
> unless i hear a major complaint in the next few
> days, i'll go forward 
> with this.
> 
> \dmc
> 
> ps: that still doesn't absolve you from fixing the
> subject line 
> before you send, but most people can build a mail
> client filter to 
> find the letters SSLS: and route those messages to a
> correct place, 
> even if you are a jerk for not fixing the subject.
> 
> 
> -- 
>
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> Excursion Co.
>Pacifica, Calif. USA
> <http://45mm.com/> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: Re: [was: empty subject lines]

[Vance Bass]

> some sort of tag put onto the subject lines of messages; i can do
> this as long as people don't think it will screw up their filters, etc.

Dave, that would be great. SSLS works for me.

-vance-

Oh and it's the same old story ever since the world began
Everybody got the runs for glory nobody stop and scrutinize the plan.
Paul Simon

 

Re: Re: [was: empty subject lines]

[Dave Cole]

all hands:
chris coley asked a few weeks back to have some sort of tag put onto 
the subject lines of messages; i can do this as long as people don't 
think it will screw up their filters, etc.

i propose that we use the tag SSLS ... if this message had been sent 
with this tag, the subject line would have looked like this:

 SSLS: Re: Re:  [was: empty subject lines]
unless i hear a major complaint in the next few days, i'll go forward 
with this.

\dmc
ps: that still doesn't absolve you from fixing the subject line 
before you send, but most people can build a mail client filter to 
find the letters SSLS: and route those messages to a correct place, 
even if you are a jerk for not fixing the subject.

--
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Re: Re:

[Geoff Spenceley]

That's great Tony,

You can all give us progress reports. As for  the spare leak-oops kit well,
I have to save for the Duchess.

It will be lovely to have cubs for my GNR tho.!!

Geoff


Hi Geoff,
>FYI, there are three of us in the Bay Area receiving monthly kit
>packages from John Barrett for building the coal fired GNR 4-4-2 Atlantic.
>(per your Maisie). So she may have cubs for company soon!.
>I have a spare leak. Oops! kit.
>Tony D.
>
>
>To date At 10:35 AM 5/19/04 -0700, Geoff Spenceley wrote:
>>Hi Keith,
>>
>>Yes, The delightful GNR Atlantic Maisie which sits in my hobby/Emmie (our
>>cat)  room, reminds me all the time. In fact I am continuingly vacuuming it
>>as it is growing cat hair.
>>  It is not forgotten, I'm getting itchy and it will be on the rails in a
>>week or so (if it aint completely frozen up!) I will report.
>>
>>The GNR 1/32  Stirling needs a turn of the wheels  too!
>>
>>How's the 2-1/2" B/L  project going?
>>
>>Geoff
>>
>>
>


 

Re: Re: [was: empty subject lines]

[Geoff Spenceley]

 Great advice  Vance,

I have received sslivesteam messages which my server's spam blocking  has
put in my  spam file and I couldn't understand why--now I do!

Thanks.

Geoff.




 Ladies and gentlemen,
>
>May I ask you to include a subject with your messages. I don't want to
>miss any of
>them, but blank subject lines are a red flag both for spam-blocking
>programs and for
>people like me who now receive four times as many junk messages as real
>ones. I
>usually delete them without looking, but sometimes I'll catch myself about
>to trash one
>with a name I recognize in the "From" field. So, please help by
>identifying both yourself
>and the subject of your messages.
>
>It's getting bad enough that I'm thinking of getting a different mail ID.
>But what a pain in
>the @^$3 to change all my mail groups, notify all my friends and
>acquaintances, notify
>people who link to my web site, etc. etc. Moral: be careful where you
>write your e-mail
>address on the wall -- you will certainly pay for it in mountains of spam,
>spam, spam,
>spam.
>
>regards,
>  -vance-
>
>Vance Bass
>Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
>Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
>
>


 

Re: Re: [was: empty subject lines]

[Vance Bass]

Ladies and gentlemen,

May I ask you to include a subject with your messages. I don't want to miss any of 
them, but blank subject lines are a red flag both for spam-blocking programs and for 
people like me who now receive four times as many junk messages as real ones. I 
usually delete them without looking, but sometimes I'll catch myself about to trash 
one 
with a name I recognize in the "From" field. So, please help by identifying both 
yourself 
and the subject of your messages.

It's getting bad enough that I'm thinking of getting a different mail ID. But what a 
pain in 
the @^$3 to change all my mail groups, notify all my friends and acquaintances, notify 
people who link to my web site, etc. etc. Moral: be careful where you write your 
e-mail 
address on the wall -- you will certainly pay for it in mountains of spam, spam, spam, 
spam.

regards,
  -vance-

Vance Bass
Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass

 

Re: Re:

[Anthony Dixon]

Hi Geoff,
   FYI, there are three of us in the Bay Area receiving monthly kit 
packages from John Barrett for building the coal fired GNR 4-4-2 Atlantic. 
(per your Maisie). So she may have cubs for company soon!.
   I have a spare leak. Oops! kit.
   Tony D.

To date At 10:35 AM 5/19/04 -0700, Geoff Spenceley wrote:
Hi Keith,
Yes, The delightful GNR Atlantic Maisie which sits in my hobby/Emmie (our
cat)  room, reminds me all the time. In fact I am continuingly vacuuming it
as it is growing cat hair.
 It is not forgotten, I'm getting itchy and it will be on the rails in a
week or so (if it aint completely frozen up!) I will report.
The GNR 1/32  Stirling needs a turn of the wheels  too!
How's the 2-1/2" B/L  project going?
Geoff

>Hi Geoff!
>I hope you don't forget poor Maisie! If you don't run steam locomotives
>regularly, they forget you love them! (and then they punish you!)
>Keith Taylor
>
>

Re: Re:

[Geoff Spenceley]

Hi Keith,

Yes, The delightful GNR Atlantic Maisie which sits in my hobby/Emmie (our
cat)  room, reminds me all the time. In fact I am continuingly vacuuming it
as it is growing cat hair.
 It is not forgotten, I'm getting itchy and it will be on the rails in a
week or so (if it aint completely frozen up!) I will report.

The GNR 1/32  Stirling needs a turn of the wheels  too!

How's the 2-1/2" B/L  project going?

Geoff




>Hi Geoff!
>I hope you don't forget poor Maisie! If you don't run steam locomotives
>regularly, they forget you love them! (and then they punish you!)
>Keith Taylor
>
>


 

Re: Re:

[Keith Taylor]

- Original Message - 
From: "Geoff Spenceley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The 3/4" scale Britannia  hauled me and dozens of passengers around
the
> house yesterday .(snip)
Hi Geoff!
I hope you don't forget poor Maisie! If you don't run steam locomotives
regularly, they forget you love them! (and then they punish you!)
Keith Taylor

 

Re: Re locomotive frames

[Keith Taylor]

Vance,
I have the 1905 edition of "The Locomotive Up To Date" and was wondering
if I was wasting my time with the 1909 edition. I must say that I did
not, as the 1909 edition has quite a lot of information not available in
the earlier ones! The fellows (and hopefully gals!) should realize that
these books are not picture books with 3/4 views of steam locomotives.
There are some excellent pictures of locomotives, but the bulk of the
material is engravings of individual parts under discussion. For
detailing, they can't be beat. If you want to know how a lifting
injector works, or how to do engine "indicator cards", then McShane and
the Modern Locomotive Construction books are just what you will need.
Andif you can find a copy these days, Angus Sinclair's "Locomotive
Running and Management" is an excellent supplement to the above books. I
did check the Hamilton Books web site, and the McSHane book is not
available over the Internet. It is on the "remainders" catalogue that
you must write away for, and for which there are no returns allowed.
(although I can't imagine why anyone would want to return a perfectly
good book on steam locomotives!)
Thanks for mentioning the Lindsay books volume, Vance, it is probably
the nicest and most informative book on 1870's construction around!
Keith
P.S. The Classic American Locomotives Book is listed in Edward R.
Hamilton's March 12th listing of "Bargain Books" and is $13.95 plus
$3.50 shipping. (The $3.50 shipping covers whatever number of books you
order, so it pays to buy a few at the same time!)
- Original Message - 
From: "Vance Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:00 PM
Subject: Re locomotive frames


> Keith,
>
> I have a copy of "The Locomotive Up To Date" and it is indeed full of
interesting
> information. I see it often at online used booksellers and
occasionally on eBay. In that
> vein, "Modern Locomotive Construction" is really excellent, too, and
it's been reprinted
> in the last several years by Lindsey Publications.
>
> regards,
>   -vance-
>
> Vance Bass
> Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
> Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
>
>

 

Re: Re Roundhouse Bash Plans (now locomotive frames)

[mart.towers]

- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:30 PM
Subject: Re Roundhouse Bash Plans (now locomotive frames)

> Actually Vance, that is a misconception that has been fostered by the
> British folks referring to the American system as "Bar frames" 

> And a single piece side frame with cut outs for lightness and to allow
> the rockers for the equalizing levers of the suspension would be
> absolutely correct technique for locomotive frames.

'Absolute correctnes' needs a scale 3" thick plate ie. 3/32(0.094) or
3/20(0.150) depending on scale.

Art Walker (British Folkperson)

 

Re: Re: Mikado springs

[Bruce Gathman]

Vance,

You don't have enough rear to have a sagging problem!

Bruce

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:30:15 -0700, "Vance Bass"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Patrick, I looked in the mirror this morning and noticed that my rear is sagging, 
>too.  If 
>you find a fix for this, please post. :-)
>
>
>-vance-
>
>"This is the time in life that I am living, and I'll face each day with a 
>smile.  For the time that I've been given is such a little while"  
>Arthur Lee
>
> 


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Re: Re: RUBY TUNEUP QUESTION

[esjones]

An Italian Militay Locomotive?
> 
> From: "Mike Chaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2004/02/17 Tue PM 01:09:44 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: RUBY TUNEUP QUESTION
> 
> Harry wrote:
> 
> >   I have a locomotive (Little Engines w/Stephenson valve gear) that
> > dispite repeated checks and resettings was rough and wheezy, loped
> > (non-square beat), and hesitated badly in forward gear, yet when reversed
> > it ran dead-on 4-square crisp beats without a hint of hesitation.  Go figure.
> 
> I wouldn't mind betting that the eccentric rods are different lengths.
> 
> Mike (been there, done that, got the tear-stained T shirt.)
>  
> 
 

RE: RE: Diamondhead Drawbar Pulling Contest Results

[Chad R Schend]

http://www.mylargescale.com/forum/

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Bruce Gathman
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:28 PM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: Re: RE: Diamondhead Drawbar Pulling Contest Results


Chad,

What is the MLS Forum?

Bruce

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:25:21 -0700, "Chad R Schend"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Are you going to post this on MLS forum?
>Chad
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Behalf Of Bruce Gathman
>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 8:35 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
>Subject: Diamondhead Drawbar Pulling Contest Results
>
>
>The following are the results from the Drawbar Pulling
>Contest at the International Small Scale Steam-Up at
>Diamondhead, Mississippi held Saturday January 17, 2004.
>The pulling device used was the one designed by Bruce
>Gathman as written up in Steam in the Garden magazine and
>measures in ounces of pull from the drawbar.
>
>2 Driver CLass
>
>1stBob McHale  7/8ths BAGRS "Wood Thing"   20.3
>2ndMurray Wilson   1936 Marklin6.8
>
>4 Driver Class
>
>1stKarl Oelschlaeger   Roundhouse Millie
>39.8
>2ndGerald Miller   Roundhouse Forney   34.5
>
>6 Driver Class
>
>1stPeter Oelschlaeger  Roundhouse Gunga Din52.2
>2ndTim Chamberlain Cheddar Baldwin 41.7
>3rdErnie Noa   Roundhouse Old Colonial 34.9
>
>8 Driver Class
>
>1stBob Weltyk  Accucraft K-27  109
>2ndDick Jacobs Accucraft C-16  65.9
>3rdSteve Heselton  Accucraft C-16  64.8
>4thDavid BaileyDJB C-25 Coal   49.6
>
>Smaller Gauges
>
>1stBrian GibsonBassett Lowke Mogul 13.9
>2ndBill Shipp  "Coffee Pot"13.8
>3rdJerry ReshewRegner HO   1.1
>
>Geared Locomotives
>
>1stJoe HallAccucraft 3Cyl Shay
>127
>2ndChris Sortina   Accucraft 2Cyl Shay 95.5
>3rdBill Payne  Aster Climax87.8
>4thAl Bowyer   Accucraft 3Cyl Shay 83.5
>5thAl Sadler   Aster WM Shay
>66.0
>
>As the saying goes - "Shay - Gears Rule"!  Although not
>weighing nearly as much as the K-27 the new Accucraft 3
>cylinder Shay out pulled it by about 15%.  Many owners made
>numerous excuses for their poor performance but the results
>do not lie.  A couple of the winners were the same as last
>year and need some competition.  The three wins and you are
>out rule may come into effect next year.  Start tuning now
>for next years competition.  
>
>The links provided below are ways to
>donate to a cause or causes for free.
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Re: RE: Diamondhead Drawbar Pulling Contest Results

[Bruce Gathman]

Chad,

What is the MLS Forum?

Bruce

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:25:21 -0700, "Chad R Schend"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Are you going to post this on MLS forum?
>Chad
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Behalf Of Bruce Gathman
>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 8:35 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
>Subject: Diamondhead Drawbar Pulling Contest Results
>
>
>The following are the results from the Drawbar Pulling
>Contest at the International Small Scale Steam-Up at
>Diamondhead, Mississippi held Saturday January 17, 2004.
>The pulling device used was the one designed by Bruce
>Gathman as written up in Steam in the Garden magazine and
>measures in ounces of pull from the drawbar.
>
>2 Driver CLass
>
>1stBob McHale  7/8ths BAGRS "Wood Thing"   20.3
>2ndMurray Wilson   1936 Marklin6.8
>
>4 Driver Class
>
>1stKarl Oelschlaeger   Roundhouse Millie
>39.8
>2ndGerald Miller   Roundhouse Forney   34.5
>
>6 Driver Class
>
>1stPeter Oelschlaeger  Roundhouse Gunga Din52.2
>2ndTim Chamberlain Cheddar Baldwin 41.7
>3rdErnie Noa   Roundhouse Old Colonial 34.9
>
>8 Driver Class
>
>1stBob Weltyk  Accucraft K-27  109
>2ndDick Jacobs Accucraft C-16  65.9
>3rdSteve Heselton  Accucraft C-16  64.8
>4thDavid BaileyDJB C-25 Coal   49.6
>
>Smaller Gauges
>
>1stBrian GibsonBassett Lowke Mogul 13.9
>2ndBill Shipp  "Coffee Pot"13.8
>3rdJerry ReshewRegner HO   1.1
>
>Geared Locomotives
>
>1stJoe HallAccucraft 3Cyl Shay
>127
>2ndChris Sortina   Accucraft 2Cyl Shay 95.5
>3rdBill Payne  Aster Climax87.8
>4thAl Bowyer   Accucraft 3Cyl Shay 83.5
>5thAl Sadler   Aster WM Shay
>66.0
>
>As the saying goes - "Shay - Gears Rule"!  Although not
>weighing nearly as much as the K-27 the new Accucraft 3
>cylinder Shay out pulled it by about 15%.  Many owners made
>numerous excuses for their poor performance but the results
>do not lie.  A couple of the winners were the same as last
>year and need some competition.  The three wins and you are
>out rule may come into effect next year.  Start tuning now
>for next years competition.  
>
>The links provided below are ways to
>donate to a cause or causes for free.
>
>www.bigcats.care2.com
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> 


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Re: Re[2]: tender gas tanks.

[Gary]

You need an indoor layout for winter operations. Any operations that could
occur outdoors would consist of a snow tunnel train layout which not a soul
could view!
I grumble about a few weeks of not being able to run most winters...
Steaming & Sparking over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor

- Original Message - 
From: "Bert & Edmunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:27 PM
Subject: Re[2]: tender gas tanks.


>
> I have had problems with the water in the tender getting very cold
> very quickly. In winter I can't run anyway because I've yet to find a G-1
> snow plough that can cope with up to 6 feet of snow.  But here in the
> Alps at just over 1000 meters I have had bad weather in August that can
> match any winter in Cornwall, (except 1962 when I drove a motor cycle
> across the frozen Exe at Topsham on the mud). I find the Idea is certainly
of
> value and worth considering for a cool winter evening in CA. for
> example.  The nice thing about this site is you can throw somthing in
> and usually get more out than you threw in.
>
> Thanks Tag,
>
> Bert
>
>
> -
> Bert &  Edmunda
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
 

Re: Re[2]: Merry Christmas

[Terry Griner]

>Keep an eye on those sharks while swimming!. Which reminds me of a
>piece of humor. Someone moving into an apartment had to get rid of his
>big dog.  The newspaper ad. said "free to good home. Will eat
>anything. Very fond of children.  All a matter of taste I guess?
 My wife claims that's why she married me! 
Terry Griner
Columbus Ohio USA
only 1 1/2 inches of snow.












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Re: RE: magazine indices (was Updates to Small Scale Live Steam Resources site)

[cwalters]

I use it all the time!  Makes it real easy to find info in my back issues.

Chuck

- Original Message -
From: Vance Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:54 pm
Subject: RE: magazine indices (was Updates to Small Scale Live Steam Resources site)

> > A while back you mentioned (or someone did) that there was work
> > being done on a full index of Live Steam magazine. Is this
> > available? 
> 
> I photocopied about 20 years of Live Steam indices for Jeff 
> Scherb, who did the Train 
> Magazine Index database online.  I seem to remember that he 
> actually got some of the 
> into the database, but soon thereafter Model Railroader bought it 
> from him and 
> 
> Similarly, Steam in the Garden is only indexed through 2000 on 
> that site, which I think 
> was also based on my index.  I quit indexing SitG in 2000 -- does 
> anyone miss that 
> feature on my site?  No one has written to complain about it, so 
> my guess is that no one 
> used it.
> 
> regards,
>  -vance-
> 
> Vance Bass
> Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
> Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
> 
> 
> 
 

Re: Re: Accucraft German website

[Bruce Gathman]

Mike,

You left off the best part though.  Many of this type engine
are still running and can be ridden behind in regular
scheduled service.  

Bruce Gathman

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:58:35 -, "Mike Chaney"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Steve wrote:-
>
>> Mona is a 2-4-0 configuration, very english.
>
>That's right.  Made in England by Beyer Peacock in 1874 for the Isle of Man
>Railway (which is not in England.)
>
>See http://freespace.virgin.net/e.more/loco4-6.html
>
>Mike
>
> 


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RE: Re[2]: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group

[Ciambrone, Steve @ OS]

Brillant idea silicone tubing to hold the adapter on to the can.

Their was some talk about the rear drive shaft and tight curves.  I was able
to shift the drive shaft forward on my open shay about an 1/8" for better
engagement.  It only requires loosing the pinion gears and collars and
shifting the shaft forward.  Then adjust the pinions for proper play.

Steve

> -Original Message-
> From: Chad R Schend [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:54 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
> Subject:  RE: Re[2]: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group
> 
> Ya the Shay is the best all around engine you could buy. My engine is an
> Accucraft C-16 and if you would like to see a movie of the bangham whistle
> in action then go to my web site www.livesteamer.com and download the
> movie
> on the front page. It sounds like you have done allot with the engine and
> it
> runs good but you still have a few issues that need to be resolved. First
> you need to conserve the money you spend on the butane! You can buy cheap
> can of it at Oriental markets or at Target. The stuff at Target is in a
> green can and says butane on it in black letters. You can find it in the
> camping section in the back of the store. Once you get this you need to
> build an adapter for the can. This is easily done by using the stock
> butane
> filler you got with your Shay. You simply buy some R/C aircraft fuel line
> from the hobby store and a 1/2 inch piece and place it on the brass filler
> tube. Now you'll be able to slip the tubing on the butane can's outlet.
> I've
> used this method all year and it works great. Second you need to get some
> Gary Raymond wheels for the front pilot of you loco. The link is on my
> links
> page at my web site. Third you need to fix the oiler and there is a great
> article by Dave Hottmann that was published in Steam in the Garden
> magazine.
> I have a copy that Dave sent to me if you would like to e-mail me direct
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will respond with a copy.
> Chad
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Bert & Edmunda
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:47 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
> Subject: Re[2]: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group
> 
> 
>  Chad - Ref your problems with a C-16.
> 
> I assume The Accucraft model.  First I havent got all of the story and
> secondly, I dont know if I can be of a lot of help, most of you
> people writing on these pages seem to have more knowledge of G1
> engines than I do, but maybe if I just ramble on who knows:-
> I also have a C-16 and have had various problems with the fuel system,
> the tank of which is originally in the tender.  I found that when the loco
> gas tank was warmer than the gas that I was trying to refuel, the gas
> would
> not
> go into the tank. Solution, I let a couple of drops of gas fall on the
> Ronson valve
> to cool it. (Make sure no open flame is near) It worked.  The tender had
> to
> be
> filled with warm water to get the burner to burn long enough to boil the
> water in
> the boiler! Getting the heavy brass sand dome off in order to re-tank the
> boiler
> needed asbestos fingers or a long, long, wait.  There is an M5 Diam.x
> 0.5mm thread on the boiler backhead ( should connect to the non
> existant water pump) which is blind and sealed with an M5 screw.
> Here I fitted a ball valve (clack-valve UK) and now refill my boiler with
> a
> domestic
> pump bottle. No more hot fingers and have the water guage and pressure
> guage in sight.  My new R. C.  receiver is very small and I can fit it
> between
> the Johnstone ( is that right)? bar and the front right of the cab.
> This leaves the area on the left of the cab for a new gas tank ( home
> made, hard silver soldered)with a Regner filler valve (I have been
> informed
> that 50%
> of Ronson Vales are defect ex works!!) and the new tank has marginally
> less
> content
> than the the original. The loco now behaves and gives the pleasure I would
> have liked
> from the the start. I can now refuel and take on water under steam all day
> if I have so
> much free time. A steam manifold mounted on the boiler backhead allows
> things like a steam
> whistle to be fitted under the frame using micro servos.  I have mounted
> my
> battery pack
> on the tender footplate, and can lead a wire to the headlight LED.
> 
> I still have problems with uneven track (frost heave) causing the
> small wheel flanges to climb over curves etc and I am considering new
> wheels
> with less scale flanges. I prefer a loco that works well, to one that
> looks
> good
> only on perfect track. I would be 

RE: Re[2]: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group

[Chad R Schend]

Ya the Shay is the best all around engine you could buy. My engine is an
Accucraft C-16 and if you would like to see a movie of the bangham whistle
in action then go to my web site www.livesteamer.com and download the movie
on the front page. It sounds like you have done allot with the engine and it
runs good but you still have a few issues that need to be resolved. First
you need to conserve the money you spend on the butane! You can buy cheap
can of it at Oriental markets or at Target. The stuff at Target is in a
green can and says butane on it in black letters. You can find it in the
camping section in the back of the store. Once you get this you need to
build an adapter for the can. This is easily done by using the stock butane
filler you got with your Shay. You simply buy some R/C aircraft fuel line
from the hobby store and a 1/2 inch piece and place it on the brass filler
tube. Now you'll be able to slip the tubing on the butane can's outlet. I've
used this method all year and it works great. Second you need to get some
Gary Raymond wheels for the front pilot of you loco. The link is on my links
page at my web site. Third you need to fix the oiler and there is a great
article by Dave Hottmann that was published in Steam in the Garden magazine.
I have a copy that Dave sent to me if you would like to e-mail me direct
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will respond with a copy.
Chad

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Bert & Edmunda
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:47 AM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: Re[2]: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group


 Chad - Ref your problems with a C-16.

I assume The Accucraft model.  First I havent got all of the story and
secondly, I dont know if I can be of a lot of help, most of you
people writing on these pages seem to have more knowledge of G1
engines than I do, but maybe if I just ramble on who knows:-
I also have a C-16 and have had various problems with the fuel system,
the tank of which is originally in the tender.  I found that when the loco
gas tank was warmer than the gas that I was trying to refuel, the gas would
not
go into the tank. Solution, I let a couple of drops of gas fall on the
Ronson valve
to cool it. (Make sure no open flame is near) It worked.  The tender had to
be
filled with warm water to get the burner to burn long enough to boil the
water in
the boiler! Getting the heavy brass sand dome off in order to re-tank the
boiler
needed asbestos fingers or a long, long, wait.  There is an M5 Diam.x
0.5mm thread on the boiler backhead ( should connect to the non
existant water pump) which is blind and sealed with an M5 screw.
Here I fitted a ball valve (clack-valve UK) and now refill my boiler with a
domestic
pump bottle. No more hot fingers and have the water guage and pressure
guage in sight.  My new R. C.  receiver is very small and I can fit it
between
the Johnstone ( is that right)? bar and the front right of the cab.
This leaves the area on the left of the cab for a new gas tank ( home
made, hard silver soldered)with a Regner filler valve (I have been informed
that 50%
of Ronson Vales are defect ex works!!) and the new tank has marginally less
content
than the the original. The loco now behaves and gives the pleasure I would
have liked
from the the start. I can now refuel and take on water under steam all day
if I have so
much free time. A steam manifold mounted on the boiler backhead allows
things like a steam
whistle to be fitted under the frame using micro servos.  I have mounted my
battery pack
on the tender footplate, and can lead a wire to the headlight LED.

I still have problems with uneven track (frost heave) causing the
small wheel flanges to climb over curves etc and I am considering new wheels
with less scale flanges. I prefer a loco that works well, to one that looks
good
only on perfect track. I would be pleased for any help I can receive on
this subject or the vast amount of oil the dead-leg oiler uses, or
better said directs to the smokebox.

The small Shay runs beautifully on all track and by fitting a rear
(longer) sliding drive shaft joint to the front!! will even negosiate RII
curves
without binding.

Thank you.

Bert.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Re: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.

[Landon Solomon]

I have modified the tube in my Ruby such that it does not spit out the stack 
anymore.  I shortened and pinched the origional tube then filed a hole just 
below stack level.  This way the spray goes in the smokebox and falls down 
onto the track but most of the steam still goes out the stack.  What little 
goes down below just adds to the effect of the locomotive.  ; ]

Trot, the modifyable, fox...

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|  >\_/< [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative."



From: "JR May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

A few weeks ago at Pine Creek we had our Railroaders Weekend/Open House and
I set up some track for Ruby to run on in front of our machine shop.
Actually used the tender deck for our 1914 Porter which was an ideal 
height.
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Re: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.

[Alison and Jim Gregg]

Hi all.

I must take issue with a couple of Rays points.

The fact that pumping water into an overheated dry boiler is a bad idea is 
of course correct.  If the firebox crown plates are red hot then hitting 
them with cold water will cause local contraction and stressing, and 
although it may cause problems later it is unlikely to cause a huge rise in 
pressure, even if the boiler is in fact dry at the time. A working dry 
boiler probably does not have much pressure - no water - no steam, unless 
it has been left standing under fire but no steam draw.   Under these 
conditions of low water and normal steam pressure it is probably either 
blowing off or near to it, and adding water will generate some extra steam 
pressure, but much less than you might expect.  Consider the physics of the 
thing.The specific heat of copper or steel is far lower than that of 
water (Copper = approximately 0.09)  so even if the plates are red hot the 
contained stored heat in them is not sufficient to evaporate much water and 
raise it to dangerous pressures - the figure of 1400 x volume water to 
steam is probably correct but quoted at standard or atmospheric pressure, 
it will be far less as pressure rises (Gas Laws).   The formula is 
something like Heat Energy in plates = temp x Specific Heat of metal x Mass 
of metal.  To raise water temp this must = Specific Heat of Water x 
temp rise of water x mass of water.  But to boil the water to steam will 
take a further 540 cals per gramme of water.  That means that the amount of 
water actually converted to steam will be quite small, and the pressure 
rise will be fairly small, since the mass of metal is much less than the 
water, and the specific heat of the metal is less than 0.1 of that of the 
water.

Where the failur hazard comes from is the reduced strength of the plates at 
high temperature, allowing them to be forced down by steam pressure, often 
at a pressure below the normal working pressure of the boiler.  At least 
one commercial Gauge 1 boiler will fail this way if operated at low water 
level with the gas burner full on and the water level too low so the crown 
is exposed.  It usually fails unspectatularly by collapsing so a cross tube 
leaks and the burner gets extinguished.

Note the crown is forced down by the steam pressure not vice versa.

The issue of fusible plugs is not simple either.  They do bring their own 
problems - At least one fireman has been killed in recent years when a 
fusible plug failed on a full sized loco, when the plug blew when a loco 
boiler was operating correctly with adequate water over the crown sheet.  I 
know of another case a few weeks ago in full size, where the plug failed 
with about 20 psi on the gauge and also with adequate water over the crown 
sheet while steam was being raised.  In 7.25 gauge on a very large 
narrow gauge ride in loco, a similar failure at full pressure dumped most 
of the contents of the firebox into the drivers lap.  This one was not 
actually a fusible plug, but a firebox coil which perforated with a hole 
about the size a fusible plug would have opened.

Jim Gregg.

At 03:04 PM 10/6/03 -0400, you wrote:
I've been following this thread, and I'd like to put my two cents 
in.  I've worked with full sized stationary steam engines, and thought I 
do not have my operator's license as yet, I'm planning to take the test 
some time in the not too distant future.
 First the fusible plugs primary job is not to extinguish the fire, but 
to notify the operator that a problem exist, and when it melts you'll 
know it.  When the fusible plug melts, the first responsibility of the 
operator is to extinguish the fire.
To understand the dangers, one must first understand the why they occur. 
Two things to know about water and steam.  For every on pound of pressure 
in the system, the temperature required to create steam rises one degree 
Fahrenheit.  At just forty psi the temperature of the water and steam is 
well over 250 degree, and at 100 psi, its over 312 degree.  The second 
thing to know is that one cubic inch of water will produce over 1400 cubic 
inches of steam.
With this in mind, when water hits a dry heated crown plate, and instantly 
turns to steam, the pressure in the boiler raises drastically, the crown 
plate which is already too hot, is usually the first failed component, 
forcing the steam downward, as the failure occurs, pressure in the boiler 
drops drastically, as the pressure drops, the temperature required to turn 
water to steam decreases, causing the water in the boiler to turn to 
steam, again 1 cubic inch of water, produces over 1400 cubic inches of 
steam, and the boiler is history, and no longer setting where it was, this 
is the primary cause of steam explosions.  The biggest danger with a 
boiler is not the steam in it but the water within.  For this reason the 
fusible plug needs to be sized for the boiler, so as to allow steam to 
escape but to fast as to greatly effect t

Re: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.

[Jim Burns]

"Diverters" come in several forms. The Berkley "Cricket" came supplied with
a curved, small brass tube, flared just enough to fit over the blower
(exhaust) tube. I made some larger ones from flexible "BX?" cable covers,
curved to direct the oil and water to the side of the loco. Made a couple
with different tapers to fit the differing smoke stack diameters. Don't use
when raising steam, only slip on when first valve movement clears the valves
and cylinders. Remove then and put in pocket to achieve "dirty" look of
engineer.
- Original Message -
From: "Geoff Spenceley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.


> That's a great point,  Steve,
>
> Thanks for bringing it up. It saves a lot of hot water and oil in the eye
> (and oil and crud on the Missuss's dress!) when firing most butane locos.
> However, it can't be done where  a blower or exhaust nozzzle is required
> such as  a coal or alky fired loco. Interestingly, with my two Merlin
> locos, (1985 and 1989) the exhaust tubes came  as you suggested except
that
> the tubes were slotted rather than drilled. I can't understand why all
> small loco builders don't do this. If done with imagination it can also
> produce a chuff sound.  Every Ruby owner should do this.
>
> I like your mistype "snoke box"--that's at excellent term for our small
locos!
>
> Geoff.
>
>
> Most users install a exhaust diverter in the snoke stack.  It is nothing
> >more than a larger tube with the end pinched off and holes drilled about
1/2
> >down from the top.  It has also been called a chuff tube.  Keeps the loco
> >cleaner and stops the spitting.
> >
> >Steve
>
>
>
>
>

 

RE: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.

[Geoff Spenceley]

That's a great point,  Steve,

Thanks for bringing it up. It saves a lot of hot water and oil in the eye
(and oil and crud on the Missuss's dress!) when firing most butane locos.
However, it can't be done where  a blower or exhaust nozzzle is required
such as  a coal or alky fired loco. Interestingly, with my two Merlin
locos, (1985 and 1989) the exhaust tubes came  as you suggested except that
the tubes were slotted rather than drilled. I can't understand why all
small loco builders don't do this. If done with imagination it can also
produce a chuff sound.  Every Ruby owner should do this.

I like your mistype "snoke box"--that's at excellent term for our small locos!

Geoff.


Most users install a exhaust diverter in the snoke stack.  It is nothing
>more than a larger tube with the end pinched off and holes drilled about 1/2
>down from the top.  It has also been called a chuff tube.  Keeps the loco
>cleaner and stops the spitting.
>
>Steve



 

RE: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.

[Ciambrone, Steve @ OS]

Most users install a exhaust diverter in the snoke stack.  It is nothing
more than a larger tube with the end pinched off and holes drilled about 1/2
down from the top.  It has also been called a chuff tube.  Keeps the loco
cleaner and stops the spitting.

Steve

> -Original Message-
> From: JR May [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:49 AM
> To:   Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
> Subject:  Re: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.
> 
> A few weeks ago at Pine Creek we had our Railroaders Weekend/Open House
> and
> I set up some track for Ruby to run on in front of our machine shop.
> Actually used the tender deck for our 1914 Porter which was an ideal
> height.
> 
> I was not so much concerned about boiler safety as I was about Ruby
> spitting
> hot water out the stack.  We carried 2000 passengers that weekend and I'd
> guess half took the shop tour with many taking the time to check out Ruby
> pulling a seven car mixed train (with power to spare!).  Lots and lots of
> kids.  Before starting Ruby up, I'd have to clear the kids back a few feet
> to keep the hot water and oil spray off of them.
> 
> At Diamond Head  and other public runs, is there a concern about the hot
> water tossed from the stack getting on kids?   In other words, its not so
> much a boiler failure (very rare) that is a concern to me but rather the
> normal water tossing nature of a steamer when its cold and first moving
> out
> (very common).  Seems like the operator has to be very aware of who is
> near
> him/her before starting out.
> 
> BTW, if anyone is interested I can email a picture of Ruby running that
> weekend.  Off hand I forget how many laps it ran, but it was two solid
> days,
> 11Am to 5PM with time off only for fuel and water.  The train was three
> LGB
> log cars (very nice cars too), two LGB 4 wheel flats with load, Bachman
> Ely-Thomas caboose, an 8 wheel coach of unknown make, and a LGB 8 wheel
> caboose.  Interestingly, the LGB caboose had coupler problems and was not
> used much.  The log cars were jewels and I would recommend them highly.
> The
> true link and pin works nicely and the long link I used between the first
> car and the engine gave me plenty of room for my big hands to reach in
> quickly and control the throttle on the fly. Seemed like the heavier the
> load the better the control was of the locomotive.It was a very short
> track and speed was critical.
> 
> Oh well, enough rambling.   I'll have a pressure gauge for next year for
> sure!  And a bigger track.
> 
> J.R.
> www.njmt.org
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.
> 
> 
> > I've been following this thread, and I'd like to put my two cents in.
> I've worked with full sized stationary steam engines, and thought I do not
> have my operator's license as yet, I'm planning to take the test some time
> in the not too distant future.
> >  First the fusible plugs primary job is not to extinguish the fire, but
> to
> notify the operator that a problem exist, and when it melts you'll know
> it.
> When the fusible plug melts, the first responsibility of the operator is
> to
> extinguish the fire.
> > To understand the dangers, one must first understand the why they occur.
> Two things to know about water and steam.  For every on pound of pressure
> in
> the system, the temperature required to create steam rises one degree
> Fahrenheit.  At just forty psi the temperature of the water and steam is
> well over 250 degree, and at 100 psi, its over 312 degree.  The second
> thing
> to know is that one cubic inch of water will produce over 1400 cubic
> inches
> of steam.
> > With this in mind, when water hits a dry heated crown plate, and
> instantly
> turns to steam, the pressure in the boiler raises drastically, the crown
> plate which is already too hot, is usually the first failed component,
> forcing the steam downward, as the failure occurs, pressure in the boiler
> drops drastically, as the pressure drops, the temperature required to turn
> water to steam decreases, causing the water in the boiler to turn to
> steam,
> again 1 cubic inch of water, produces over 1400 cubic inches of steam, and
> the boiler is history, and no longer setting where it was, this is the
> primary cause of steam explosions.  The biggest danger with a boiler is
> not
> the steam in it but the water within.  For this reason the fusible plug
> needs to be sized for the boiler, so as to allow steam to escape but to
>

Re: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.

[Harry Wade]

At 03:04 PM 10/6/03 -0400, you wrote:
> First the fusible plugs primary job is not to extinguish the fire, but to
notify the operator that a problem exist
>Ray

 I agree when the boiler in question is full size, in which case the
free area of a fusible plug is a tiny fraction of the area of the grate,
however in typical large scale model practice the free area of a minumum
sized effective fusible plug is relatively large compared to the grate
area.  In the event of a low-water emergency the net effect of a release is
to extinguish the fire and rightly or wrongly those who use fusible plugs
in model boilers rely on it to do that.  Yes additional action, like
dumping a coal fire, will probably be taken but all this happens in an
instant and not all model locos have the ability to completely dump the
fire on short notice so in model practice the fusible plug, when present,
is thought of as a fire extinguisher rather than a warning device.  Those
without fusible plugs, and that would be the overwhelming majority of model
boilers, and those with fusible plugs who want to run without an extended
shut-down, rely upon a well maintained water gauge and feedwater pump or
injector and paying attention to business to avoid trouble.
   There is a wide difference of opinion (in the U.S. anyway) amongst
live steamers as to the benefits of fusible plugs in model boilers vs.
their drawbacks.  Some wouldn't be without them, some won't be bothered
them.  Neither camp can lay claim to be the lesser group of idiots so the
friendly exchange of opposing ideology continues without a definite
resolution.  Personally I haven't used fusible plugs in a large scale
boiler because those who I learned from didn't use them and/or it wasn't
requested that I do so but that doesn't prevent me from seeing they do have
their benefits.  However I think the case for fusible plugs gets much
stronger as scale, and boilers, gets larger and they are impractical in
typical Ga1 boilers.

Regards,
Harry
 

Re: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.

[JR May]

A few weeks ago at Pine Creek we had our Railroaders Weekend/Open House and
I set up some track for Ruby to run on in front of our machine shop.
Actually used the tender deck for our 1914 Porter which was an ideal height.

I was not so much concerned about boiler safety as I was about Ruby spitting
hot water out the stack.  We carried 2000 passengers that weekend and I'd
guess half took the shop tour with many taking the time to check out Ruby
pulling a seven car mixed train (with power to spare!).  Lots and lots of
kids.  Before starting Ruby up, I'd have to clear the kids back a few feet
to keep the hot water and oil spray off of them.

At Diamond Head  and other public runs, is there a concern about the hot
water tossed from the stack getting on kids?   In other words, its not so
much a boiler failure (very rare) that is a concern to me but rather the
normal water tossing nature of a steamer when its cold and first moving out
(very common).  Seems like the operator has to be very aware of who is near
him/her before starting out.

BTW, if anyone is interested I can email a picture of Ruby running that
weekend.  Off hand I forget how many laps it ran, but it was two solid days,
11Am to 5PM with time off only for fuel and water.  The train was three LGB
log cars (very nice cars too), two LGB 4 wheel flats with load, Bachman
Ely-Thomas caboose, an 8 wheel coach of unknown make, and a LGB 8 wheel
caboose.  Interestingly, the LGB caboose had coupler problems and was not
used much.  The log cars were jewels and I would recommend them highly.  The
true link and pin works nicely and the long link I used between the first
car and the engine gave me plenty of room for my big hands to reach in
quickly and control the throttle on the fly. Seemed like the heavier the
load the better the control was of the locomotive.It was a very short
track and speed was critical.

Oh well, enough rambling.   I'll have a pressure gauge for next year for
sure!  And a bigger track.

J.R.
www.njmt.org


- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.


> I've been following this thread, and I'd like to put my two cents in.
I've worked with full sized stationary steam engines, and thought I do not
have my operator's license as yet, I'm planning to take the test some time
in the not too distant future.
>  First the fusible plugs primary job is not to extinguish the fire, but to
notify the operator that a problem exist, and when it melts you'll know it.
When the fusible plug melts, the first responsibility of the operator is to
extinguish the fire.
> To understand the dangers, one must first understand the why they occur.
Two things to know about water and steam.  For every on pound of pressure in
the system, the temperature required to create steam rises one degree
Fahrenheit.  At just forty psi the temperature of the water and steam is
well over 250 degree, and at 100 psi, its over 312 degree.  The second thing
to know is that one cubic inch of water will produce over 1400 cubic inches
of steam.
> With this in mind, when water hits a dry heated crown plate, and instantly
turns to steam, the pressure in the boiler raises drastically, the crown
plate which is already too hot, is usually the first failed component,
forcing the steam downward, as the failure occurs, pressure in the boiler
drops drastically, as the pressure drops, the temperature required to turn
water to steam decreases, causing the water in the boiler to turn to steam,
again 1 cubic inch of water, produces over 1400 cubic inches of steam, and
the boiler is history, and no longer setting where it was, this is the
primary cause of steam explosions.  The biggest danger with a boiler is not
the steam in it but the water within.  For this reason the fusible plug
needs to be sized for the boiler, so as to allow steam to escape but to fast
as to greatly effect the pressure within.
> To me this is the reason not to use soft solder, once it starts to soften
and gives a little the drop of pressure coupled with the resulting increase
in the amount of steam can cause an explosion even at a lower pressure.
> For this reason I believe water level is a much more import than pressure,
assuming a well working relief valve.  Don't get me wrong, pressure is
important, and I don't think I'd want to run with a pressure gauge, but
watching the sight gauge is much more import than watching the pressure
gauge.
>
> Ray Baughman
> >
> > From: Harry Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2003/10/06 Mon PM 12:20:44 EDT
> > To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.
> >
> > At 05:57 PM 10/5/03 -0400, you wrote:
> > >On the other hand,

Re: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.

[baughman]

I've been following this thread, and I'd like to put my two cents in.  I’ve worked 
with full sized stationary steam engines, and thought I do not have my operator’s 
license as yet, I’m planning to take the test some time in the not too distant future.
 First the fusible plugs primary job is not to extinguish the fire, but to notify the 
operator that a problem exist, and when it melts you’ll know it.  When the fusible 
plug melts, the first responsibility of the operator is to extinguish the fire.  
To understand the dangers, one must first understand the why they occur. Two things to 
know about water and steam.  For every on pound of pressure in the system, the 
temperature required to create steam rises one degree Fahrenheit.  At just forty psi 
the temperature of the water and steam is well over 250 degree, and at 100 psi, its 
over 312 degree.  The second thing to know is that one cubic inch of water will 
produce over 1400 cubic inches of steam.  
With this in mind, when water hits a dry heated crown plate, and instantly turns to 
steam, the pressure in the boiler raises drastically, the crown plate which is already 
too hot, is usually the first failed component, forcing the steam downward, as the 
failure occurs, pressure in the boiler drops drastically, as the pressure drops, the 
temperature required to turn water to steam decreases, causing the water in the boiler 
to turn to steam, again 1 cubic inch of water, produces over 1400 cubic inches of 
steam, and the boiler is history, and no longer setting where it was, this is the 
primary cause of steam explosions.  The biggest danger with a boiler is not the steam 
in it but the water within.  For this reason the fusible plug needs to be sized for 
the boiler, so as to allow steam to escape but to fast as to greatly effect the 
pressure within.
To me this is the reason not to use soft solder, once it starts to soften and gives a 
little the drop of pressure coupled with the resulting increase in the amount of steam 
can cause an explosion even at a lower pressure. 
For this reason I believe water level is a much more import than pressure, assuming a 
well working relief valve.  Don’t get me wrong, pressure is important, and I don’t 
think I’d want to run with a pressure gauge, but watching the sight gauge is much more 
import than watching the pressure gauge.

Ray Baughman
> 
> From: Harry Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/10/06 Mon PM 12:20:44 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Boilers, Burners etc.
> 
> At 05:57 PM 10/5/03 -0400, you wrote:
> >On the other hand, a well designed silver soldered boiler will build up a
> >very high pressure (probably more than 10 times operating pressure).
> 
>In order for a theory to hold water all conditions, components, and
> influences on a system must be considered in proper proportion.  I agree
> the above scenario could happen, in fact possibly as much as 14 x WP, if
> there was a constant and unlimited source of heat, but what's being ignored
> is that this condition could not occur with a burner the size of a fat
> pencil.  There are simply not enough BTUs available to the system.  If I
> were to apply a 1" oxy/acetylene rose tip (150,000+BTU/min) to a Ga1 boiler
> boiler of course I should expect trouble, but in actual typical operation
> that's not going to occur.  The reason for building silver soldered boilers
> the way they have been, and should continue to be, is so that even a worst
> case scenario, where the boiler is dry and the burner is still on, a rather
> large margin of safety remains.  I fail to see what some people in the Ga1
> live steam hobby find so difficult and/or objectionable about that.
> 
> >When this eventually leads to failure, the steam/water escapes much 
> >more violently with parts being torn off and hurling through the air.
> 
>  Unsubstantiated rhetoric like this can do a great deal of harm if read
> and repeated by or to the wrong person.  Rather than to conjur up disasters
> based upon incomplete and unrealistic physical scenarios, or constructing
> far-fetched justifications for doing it on the quick and cheap or
> indictments of doing it properly, I think the hobby would be much better
> served if that same energy were used to learn and promote good boiler
> building pratices.  I continue to be amazed how many people still fail to
> undersand that there is a direct connection between certain time-proven
> boiler building practices and safety, meaning that if good practices are
> used there is no further need for discussions or conjecture about what
> might happen in the event of a boil-dry.  We would, and do, know what would
> happen.  As for the actual dangers, historically then overwhelming majority
> of steam and boiler-related injuries are from scalds and burns and it's no
> different for us.
> 
>  >The ultimate solution could be a well designed copper boiler with one or
> >two soft soldered melting plug

Re: Re: knock, knock ...Here's One

[Bruce Gathman]

Keith,

Take a look at the new Accucraft 2-6-0 announced in print
ads.  They've already made the chassis and a locomotive to
go with it.  

Bruce Gathman

for you on Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:58:01 -0400, "Keith Taylor"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi Bob!
>Nice picture of your chassis! Just looking, what would be the chance of
>adding another driver? With the frame extended out so far behind the
>last driver, it looks like it could take another driver with room to
>spare, and give you a really nice Mogul or ten wheeler? Southern logging
>lines, like the Argent Lumber Co. and the Surrey Sussex & Southampton in
>Virginia had nice Baldwin and Porter Moguls and Ten Wheelers with
>smallish drivers for use in the woods not only hauling log trains, but
>the employee's passenger extras and U.S. mail trains. Your chassis would
>be just the ticket for such a locomotive, and really be something out of
>the ordinary!
>Keith Taylor
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 1:38 PM
>Subject: Re: knock, knock ...Here's One
>
>
>> Yep, Dave, steamin', workin' for money, and workin' in the shop.
>Sometimes
>> the pooter is more for a drawing aid than a plaything.  Here is a
>project I
>> started, but shelved for the time being.  A Ruby 4-4-0, picture here:
>> http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/BobStarr/Pictures/4-4-0%20R.jpg
>> Eccentrics will be moved to the front axle.  I don't think that I can
>go with
>> larger wheels.  I am going to have to turn my own front truck wheels
>from
>> some cast stock as I cannot find anything small enough.  They need to
>be .75 on
>> the tread.
>> Meanwhile, I am finishing up a Ruby Forney, a bit unlike the rest I
>have seen.
>> Will this start a discussion, Dave?
>> Bob Starr
>
> 


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RE: Re; Boiler test

[Geoff Spenceley]

 Steve,

Agreed, It's spectacular to have the safety spitting and  lots of noise
from the stack but your idea is much preferred for satisfactory running and
duration.

Geoff.

This is my view point:
>On the surface more pressure is better, but what I have found is that for
>scale like and smooth operation more is not always better.  When operating
>at max pressure somtimes smooth starts and speed regulation can be erratic
>and jittery.   You do not always have enough fine control of the throttle
>valve for a smooth start at high pressure.  Some engines run better at a
>lower pressure, higher pressures can just cause excessive speed.  I prefer
>to run my trains at slower speeds and usually do not run very long trains.
>I have the same view point with my model steam boats also.  If you run the
>engine at lower pressures duration will increase.
>
>Steve
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent:Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:12 AM
>> To:  Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
>> Subject: Re; Boiler test
>>
>> Royce,
>>
>> Why not take advantage of your overdesigned and now tested boiler with a
>> 60psi relief valve?  At minimum you could still operate at 40psi without
>> waisting anything out the popoff.
>>
>> I am still scratching my head on this next part and throw it out to the
>> group for comments.  Assuming you have sufficiant gas for the additional
>> energy required and operate at the same speed, would you not get longer
>> runs from a given amount of water operating at 60psi versus 40psi?  As
>> this is presumably a geared loco, I would assume you would not need the
>> extra torque available from the higher pressure.  At a first glance it
>> seems logical as each cc. of water would have that much more energy when
>> converted to steam.  I am having difficulty understanding if this
>> additional energy is simply lost across the pressure drop at the throttle
>> or if it does make it to the piston. It has been too many years since I
>> have studied steam tables to draw a conclusion.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tom Burns


 

RE: Re; Boiler test

[Ciambrone, Steve @ OS]

This is my view point:
On the surface more pressure is better, but what I have found is that for
scale like and smooth operation more is not always better.  When operating
at max pressure somtimes smooth starts and speed regulation can be erratic
and jittery.   You do not always have enough fine control of the throttle
valve for a smooth start at high pressure.  Some engines run better at a
lower pressure, higher pressures can just cause excessive speed.  I prefer
to run my trains at slower speeds and usually do not run very long trains.
I have the same view point with my model steam boats also.  If you run the
engine at lower pressures duration will increase.

Steve


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:12 AM
> To:   Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
> Subject:  Re; Boiler test
> 
> Royce,
> 
> Why not take advantage of your overdesigned and now tested boiler with a
> 60psi relief valve?  At minimum you could still operate at 40psi without
> waisting anything out the popoff.  
> 
> I am still scratching my head on this next part and throw it out to the
> group for comments.  Assuming you have sufficiant gas for the additional
> energy required and operate at the same speed, would you not get longer
> runs from a given amount of water operating at 60psi versus 40psi?  As
> this is presumably a geared loco, I would assume you would not need the
> extra torque available from the higher pressure.  At a first glance it
> seems logical as each cc. of water would have that much more energy when
> converted to steam.  I am having difficulty understanding if this
> additional energy is simply lost across the pressure drop at the throttle
> or if it does make it to the piston. It has been too many years since I
> have studied steam tables to draw a conclusion.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tom Burns  

Re: Re: VPC Drawings/Shay engine

[mart.towers]

More concerned that a visit to Ernie & Co is only 3 days away.
Who was Brit #1??

Art
- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Gathman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: Re: VPC Drawings/Shay engine


Arthur,

Shay Days is only about 11 months away.  Better get hopping!
You can be the second to attend from GB.

Bruce Gathman

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:33:39 +0100, "mart.towers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Peter McCabe re-engined a Steamlines Shay by using drawings scaled from
Kozo
>Hiraoka's book as a basis.
>I know 'cos I have the lokey - all in bits at the moment awaiting
correction
>of all the other Tom Cooper infelicities.
>
>Art Walker
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Terry Griner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:03 PM
>Subject: Re: VPC Drawings
>
>
>Harry,
>  If you ever get around to doing drawings for a small two cylinder Shay,
>I'd like to get a copy.
>Terry Griner
>Columbus Ohio USA
>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/11/2003 10:44:12 PM >>>
>At 10:13 PM 8/11/03 -0400, you wrote:
>>Drawings arrived in fine shape today
>>Got any Vest Pocket SHAY drawings???
>
>   No . . .  not yet.
>hw
>
>
>
>


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Re: Re: Re: VPC Drawings/Shay engine

[Bruce Gathman]

Alan Walker.  Is he your cousin or something like that?

Bruce

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:29:02 +0100, "mart.towers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>More concerned that a visit to Ernie & Co is only 3 days away.
>Who was Brit #1??
>
>Art
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Bruce Gathman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:39 PM
>Subject: Re: Re: VPC Drawings/Shay engine
>
>
>Arthur,
>
>Shay Days is only about 11 months away.  Better get hopping!
>You can be the second to attend from GB.
>
>Bruce Gathman
>
>On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:33:39 +0100, "mart.towers"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Peter McCabe re-engined a Steamlines Shay by using drawings scaled from
>Kozo
>>Hiraoka's book as a basis.
>>I know 'cos I have the lokey - all in bits at the moment awaiting
>correction
>>of all the other Tom Cooper infelicities.
>>
>>Art Walker
>>
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: "Terry Griner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:03 PM
>>Subject: Re: VPC Drawings
>>
>>
>>Harry,
>>  If you ever get around to doing drawings for a small two cylinder Shay,
>>I'd like to get a copy.
>>Terry Griner
>>Columbus Ohio USA
>>
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/11/2003 10:44:12 PM >>>
>>At 10:13 PM 8/11/03 -0400, you wrote:
>>>Drawings arrived in fine shape today
>>>Got any Vest Pocket SHAY drawings???
>>
>>   No . . .  not yet.
>>hw
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Re: VPC Drawings/Shay engine

[Bruce Gathman]

Arthur,

Shay Days is only about 11 months away.  Better get hopping!
You can be the second to attend from GB.

Bruce Gathman

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:33:39 +0100, "mart.towers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Peter McCabe re-engined a Steamlines Shay by using drawings scaled from Kozo
>Hiraoka's book as a basis.
>I know 'cos I have the lokey - all in bits at the moment awaiting correction
>of all the other Tom Cooper infelicities.
>
>Art Walker
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Terry Griner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:03 PM
>Subject: Re: VPC Drawings
>
>
>Harry,
>  If you ever get around to doing drawings for a small two cylinder Shay,
>I'd like to get a copy.
>Terry Griner
>Columbus Ohio USA
>
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/11/2003 10:44:12 PM >>>
>At 10:13 PM 8/11/03 -0400, you wrote:
>>Drawings arrived in fine shape today
>>Got any Vest Pocket SHAY drawings???
>
>   No . . .  not yet.
>hw
>
>
>
> 


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Re: Re: Aluminum Rail

[baughman]

>   Where in Northwest Ohio are you? I grew up outside of Perrysburg.

Findlay

> Anyway, I got Micro engineering code 250 Aluminum rail and Tie sections from Bob 
> Pennock. He is more North central Ohio though. Still a road trip might be cheaper 
> than shipping. 
> His number is 1-800-664-3226,
> e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Thanks I'll check him out.

> Terry Griner
> Columbus Ohio
> Waiting for the rains to stop.

Ray
Also waiting for the rain to stop

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel

[Bruce Gathman]

Peter,

I'd say is was the alcohol fumes or just maybe the other
kind of alcohol that isn't taken in by breathing.  

The 16mm table inside the medium track was always
interesting to look at first thing in the morning.  It was
an indication as to what was currently available locally or
whether or not you had run out of the personally imported
stuff.


On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:53:27 -0500, Peter Foley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>At 10:41 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote:
>>It was on the table directly across from the registration
>>table or towards to front door from the drawbar pulling
>>table.
>
>Which proves I need to pay more attention to what's going on around 
>me!  Fog, you say!!!
>
>pf
> 


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Re: Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel

[Peter Foley]

At 10:41 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote:
It was on the table directly across from the registration
table or towards to front door from the drawbar pulling
table.
Which proves I need to pay more attention to what's going on around 
me!  Fog, you say!!!

pf

Re: Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel

[Bruce Gathman]

Us Shay fans stuffed the ballot box big time!!  If they
build from the list you won't see anything but Shays for the
next ten years.

Bruce


On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:44:53 -0500, "Jeff Runge"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Mike, any idea what kind of input they got? I also missed them. I do
>remember seeing a table against the wall there, but no bodies to talk to, or
>even an indication that is was the "Accucraft" official rep.
> This gas vs meth  is like the automatic vs manual shift in cars...and you
>can still get both, after all these years.
>- Original Message -
>From: "Mike Eorgoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:21 AM
>Subject: Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel
>
>
>> The sales manager was there on Saturday with one of the new stock cars,
>and
>> a sheet asking about what to make next.  He was at the tables in the
>walkway
>> by the sign up desk.
>>
>> Mike Eorgoff
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Peter Foley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel
>>
>>
>> > At 07:40 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote:
>> > >Accucraft asked the market at the Diamondhead 2003
>> > >convention.
>> >
>> > Hmm..I was there, but don't recall this at all.  If my faulty
>> > memory has it correct, Accucraft wasn't even officially 'there' this
>> > year.  Are you sure you're not confusing this with another event, Bruce?
>> >
>> > regards,
>> >
>> > pf
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
> 


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Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel

[Jeff Runge]

Mike, any idea what kind of input they got? I also missed them. I do
remember seeing a table against the wall there, but no bodies to talk to, or
even an indication that is was the "Accucraft" official rep.
 This gas vs meth  is like the automatic vs manual shift in cars...and you
can still get both, after all these years.
- Original Message -
From: "Mike Eorgoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel


> The sales manager was there on Saturday with one of the new stock cars,
and
> a sheet asking about what to make next.  He was at the tables in the
walkway
> by the sign up desk.
>
> Mike Eorgoff
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Peter Foley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel
>
>
> > At 07:40 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote:
> > >Accucraft asked the market at the Diamondhead 2003
> > >convention.
> >
> > Hmm..I was there, but don't recall this at all.  If my faulty
> > memory has it correct, Accucraft wasn't even officially 'there' this
> > year.  Are you sure you're not confusing this with another event, Bruce?
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > pf
> >
> >
>
>
 

Re: Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel

[Bruce Gathman]

Peter 

It was on the table directly across from the registration
table or towards to front door from the drawbar pulling
table.  Jim Marski was there as the Accucraft Rep and got to
hear from many individuals and dealers.  I know Pat Mueller
told him her horror story about a certain dealer not
returning a deposit Erv had placed before he died.

Bruce

On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:43:46 -0500, Peter Foley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>At 07:40 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote:
>>Accucraft asked the market at the Diamondhead 2003
>>convention.
>
>Hmm..I was there, but don't recall this at all.  If my faulty 
>memory has it correct, Accucraft wasn't even officially 'there' this 
>year.  Are you sure you're not confusing this with another event, Bruce?
>
>regards,
>
>pf
> 


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Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel

[Mike Eorgoff]

The sales manager was there on Saturday with one of the new stock cars, and
a sheet asking about what to make next.  He was at the tables in the walkway
by the sign up desk.

Mike Eorgoff

- Original Message -
From: "Peter Foley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel


> At 07:40 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote:
> >Accucraft asked the market at the Diamondhead 2003
> >convention.
>
> Hmm..I was there, but don't recall this at all.  If my faulty
> memory has it correct, Accucraft wasn't even officially 'there' this
> year.  Are you sure you're not confusing this with another event, Bruce?
>
> regards,
>
> pf
>
>

 

Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel

[Peter Foley]

At 07:40 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote:
Accucraft asked the market at the Diamondhead 2003
convention.
Hmm..I was there, but don't recall this at all.  If my faulty 
memory has it correct, Accucraft wasn't even officially 'there' this 
year.  Are you sure you're not confusing this with another event, Bruce?

regards,

pf

Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel

[Bruce Gathman]

Accucraft asked the market at the Diamondhead 2003
convention.


On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:18:09 -0500, "Jeff Runge"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Gary, the focus group was CURRENT ASTER OWNERS, so you are saying you think
>aster customers are " unemployed ? I doubt it, retired, I hope I'm buying
>20k engines when I retire, disabled..maybe , stuck at home? plenty of us
>make it to DH and with our Aster engines. But maybe some do get snowed in.
> Aster was polling their customer group. When was the last time Accucraft or
>Roundhouse asked thier North American market what they would like.?
> Jeff in NC


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Re: Re: Back to the Wall was Back to O rings

[Bruce Gathman]

Jeffery is the Giraffe from Toys Are US - right?

On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:37:58 -0800, Geoff Spenceley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Well said, Tony,
>
>Toot toot to Jeffrey--why, he even spells his name wrong! Tch, Tch!!
>
>However I wish we had a train up here--even if it was a K27 with JEFFREY as
>the driver!  Sorry--engineer!
>
>Geoff.
>
>
>
>Yup,
>> Dem Hobbits can sure run fast after dem Duchess's though!.
>>
>> I also know now why the Redwoods can grow for hundreds of
>>years.-
>> Because it takes that long for a K27 to get to them before they can be
>>chopped down!.
>> (She'll be coming round the
>>mountain "when" she comes!.)
>> Remind you of anyone?.
>> Toot, toot,
>> Tony D.
>>
>>At 06:44 PM 3/14/03 -0800, Jeffrey Williams wrote:
>>>Funny how the names of all of the RR lines and towns Tony refers in JoE
>>>(Jolly old England) sound like they are lifted right out of "Lord of the
>>>Rings"!!  Towns in Hobbitshire!  On the other hand, Tony does have
>>>certain physical characteristics..
>
>
> 


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Re: RE: Back to O rings

[Paul Anderson]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, KEVIN STRONG wrote:

> (I've had too many leaky 
> check valves resulting in blown, melted, or otherwise problematic water 
> lines.) 
> 
Piffle, man!  That's what a steam trap's for!


---
Paul Anderson
geeky1!paul
"Nature has been kinder to us than we had any right to expect.
--- Freeman Dyson 

Re: RE: Back to O rings

[KEVIN STRONG]

> I am installing a water pump to add water to my engine while under 
> steam.Rather than using a regular check valve, is there any reason 
> I couldn't use
> a goodall valve instead. Has amyone tried this? Bob

There's no reason why it wouldn't work. A Goodall valve and a 
traditional check valve are both one way valves. I'd even trust a 
Goodall valve more than I would a check valve. (I've had too many leaky 
check valves resulting in blown, melted, or otherwise problematic water 
lines.) 

Later,

K
 

Re: Re: Aster Alisan wick problem

[Bruce Gathman]

Been watching this tread and finally have a comment.

I have an Aster Alisan Shay and put brick wicks in it with
John "Mr. Brick Wicks" Garrett's help last fall and the fuel
supply was turned down from a full turn open to at most
one-quarter turn open to keep up good steam.  The fire was
nice and hot with less fuel useage.  After that success I
also did it to my Lindsay Shay with similar results.  It is
easy to do and almost idiot proof.  No more dark art of wick
packing etc.  Give it a serious try and you will probably be
sold like I was.  By the way John gave a great seminar at
Diamondhead 2003.

Bruce Gathman


On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:34:36 -0600, Trent Dowler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Gary,
>
> Although your problem is now solved, have you considered trying the
>firebrick wicks that was discussed on this list a while back? At the very least,
>they're a lot of fun to experiment with.
>To answer your question, I think (not sure) that in the reference section of
>southernsteamtrains.com there's an article on how to "tune" your wicks. Lots of
>other great info there as well.
>
>Later,
>Trent
>
>
>
>Gary wrote:
>
>> Do you have any advice about how to pack wicks and how to trim wicks?
> 


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Re: Re: Drawbar Pulling Competition Results

[Dave Cole]

At 7:11 AM -0500 1/31/03, Bruce Gathman wrote:

I would say that the summer steamup management will need to
handle this.  I'd be glad to come with the equipment if they
want to pay my way!


maybe you could just ship the equipment and an explanation of how it works?

;-) ...

\dmc

--
^^^
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Gen'l Sup't:  Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
  Pacifica, Calif. USA  
List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers
  

ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 17-20, 2003
For more information, visit the web site at 

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Re: Re: Drawbar Pulling Competition Results

[Bruce Gathman]

Bob,

I would say that the summer steamup management will need to
handle this.  I'd be glad to come with the equipment if they
want to pay my way!

Bruce Gathman

On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:52:10 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Will you bring the drawbar to the summer steamup in Sac?
>Bob 


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Re: Re: Drawbar Pulling Competition Results

[Phil Paskos]

Good grief. That's incredible. I really do wish I was there to see that!
Phil

Phil,

My entry was correct - 46%.  It totally threw me too. The
only adhesion improver allowed was chalking the rails.  I
had devised a track that could be elevated to 22.5% grade
and we had to stack boxes etc under one end and calculate
the grade manually.  The high end was barely reachable from
standing on a chair in a 12 foot length of track.  We
immediately moved every thing off the tables to the floor.


Eldorado Timber & Mining Co.
Bruce G. Gathman, President

Tall Trees  -  Deep Shafts


On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:56:54 -0500, "Phil Paskos"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Ahhh. Question? You did mean 4.6% grade didn't you? 46% is one of things
I'd
>like to see.
>
>Phil
>

 

Re: Re: Drawbar Pulling Competition Results

[Bruce Gathman]

We gave Jerry a rest in the Butt Paste area this year.  I do
have a photo of Keith Hawthorn running one behind his newly
modified Ruby.  He was the original finder of the product
and brought it back so the rest of us could go get ours.
For those of you unfamiliar try www.buttpaste.com to find
out.

Maybe Jim could help us out here on the tricycle - I was too
busy attaching the cable to take photos.

Eldorado Timber & Mining Co.
Bruce G. Gathman, President

Tall Trees  -  Deep Shafts

On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:44:54 -0600, Trent Dowler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was witness to that great 46% climb. It was very impressive!
> I have video footage of the climb, but I don't think I have any still
>pictures. I'll look tonight. It'll give me a good excuse to dismiss real chores.
>
> Does anyone have any pics of Jim Sander's steam tricycle for those of us who
>had to miss DH? Also, were there any Butt Paste cars that were notable? Thanks in
>advance.
>
>Later,
>Trent
>
>
>Bruce Gathman wrote:
>
>> My entry was correct - 46%.  It totally threw me too.
> 

Re: Re: Drawbar Pulling Competition Results

[Bruce Gathman]

Phil,

My entry was correct - 46%.  It totally threw me too. The
only adhesion improver allowed was chalking the rails.  I
had devised a track that could be elevated to 22.5% grade
and we had to stack boxes etc under one end and calculate
the grade manually.  The high end was barely reachable from
standing on a chair in a 12 foot length of track.  We
immediately moved every thing off the tables to the floor.


Eldorado Timber & Mining Co.
Bruce G. Gathman, President

Tall Trees  -  Deep Shafts


On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:56:54 -0500, "Phil Paskos"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Ahhh. Question? You did mean 4.6% grade didn't you? 46% is one of things I'd
>like to see.
>
>Phil
>
>Everyone,
>
>There really are no rules.  Like I said it amazes me that no
>one has tried anything trick yet to my knowledge.  At St.
>Louis we have a hill climb event just asking for someone to
>make modifications.  Of course the record climb was 46%
>grade by John Garrett's DJB Climax.  Now I know John likes
>to tinker but things looked rather stock.  It did't get a
>technical inspection after winning like NASCAR.

Re: Re: Fn3 / #24 / K-27

[Bruce Gathman]

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:42:35 -0500, Jim Stapleton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Phil
>
>The F in Fn3 stands for fifteen (15) mm/ft  -- how original of the NMRA.
>At least that's better than A(ccucraft) for 1:29 scale.  I can bitch about
>it cause I have been a life member ( L-3070) for 26 years.
>
>Folks from Roundhouse say that the scale of the #24, which should have been
>16mm to run on 32mm track (trucks for that are provided for the tender,
>pony and trailing axles, is actually... 1:22.5.  This makes the locomotive
>too small for either track gage, but its proportions are so good that
>almost everyone overlooks the track gage flaw.  I can attest to this
>personally.  My wife ok'ed ordering a #24 from Samuel Addison Muncy (Mad
>Man) at the 1991 GRC in Cincinnati.  It was my first live steamer; and I
>waited an agonizing four months for it to arrive.
>
>I can report that the K-27s are rolling in.  My pickup notice was faxed on
>Monday.  According to the announced strategy of "your engine will be built
>in serial # order based on when you get in the queue" I should have had an
>engine in April or May 2003.  Today Accucraft told me on the phone that
>Bing and Charlie decided to expedite the production line by building all
>the K-27s with outside cylinders first.  So if you ordered a #461 in either
>paint scheme, you went to the head of the class regardless of order date.
>I didn't research the other #s in my Mudhens book, so can't say which other
>ones have outside cylinders.
>
>Diamondhead may be overrun with K's in January.
>
>Jim Stapleton
>I E & W Ry, Purcellville  VA

Jim and all,

Maybe Jerry should consider building another large track to
go around the swimming pool area to accommodate these locos?
Then again there is usually track time between 2 and 6 AM!
Watch out steamtom1 they may be stealing your track time.
Maybe a new rule that all gas fired K's must run between 2 -
6 AM should be put into effect to take up this slack OR
anyone wishing to run his K should ante up $???.?? for new
track construction.

Personally I felt that the Shays would be taking over one
track also.  There certainly were more of them sold than the
K's.  The nice thing about them is that they don't have any
curve restrictions basically though.  Accucraft has sure had
good picks lately.  Now if they would only produce a West
Side three truck Shay - I'd be REAL happy.
 
My NMRA life member number is #L-260 and has cost them a
whole lot more than the $60 I invested in 1958.

Bruce Gathman

Eldorado Timber & Mining Co.
Bruce G. Gathman, President

Tall Trees  -  Deep Shafts

Re: Re: gt&e has first run

[web10fm3]

?for me ?   what gives ??










> 
> From: Dave Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2002/11/23 Sat AM 11:14:52 CST
> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: gt&e has first run
> 
> vickie marie:
> 
> that's exactly the plan ... i need to get the gates working before i 
> get to the testing steamup but then i'll have some patient people 
> over.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> \dmc
> 
> 
> 
> At 11:45 PM -0800 11/21/02, vree wrote:
> >Dave,
> >
> >Remember, it took us almost two years to get Kevin O'Connor's super duper
> >deluxe track operational!  I know that I'm one PCLS member who is looking
> >forward to a new venue, but realistically, wait until you are comfortably
> >ready.  Then invite a small handful of steamers with a variety of locos to
> >try it out with the understanding that they are to help you find the
> >glitches and tweak whatever needs tweaking.  In other words, they need to
> >know that derailments could easily occur and to be prepared for such. Once
> >you are satisfied with those results, THEN you have the real steam-up.
> >Meantime, since the track is operational, you can run one of your own locos
> >while you work on siding or bays or whatever!  That makes it a bit more
> >rewarding and fun to get those final items done.  I learned a lot with Cmdr.
> >O'Connor's track and layout building experience.  It was grueling, but
> >rewarding.  Congratulations!  And I do look forward to your photos!
> >
> >Vickie-Marie
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Dave Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:05 AM
> >Subject: Re: gt&e has first run
> >
> >
> >>  At 7:35 PM -0800 11/19/02, Jeffrey Williams wrote:
> >>  >So should we all show up at 10:00 am this Saturday for your first
> >steamup?
> >>  >
> >>  >===
> >>
> >>  thanks to one and all who sent not only publicly encouraging words,
> >>  but those who contacted me privately as well.
> >>
> >>  jeff's note, while i'm sure was intended to be facetious, isn't too
> >>  far off the mark. i am awaiting some of those bridge clamps from
> >>  hillman and then will get the bridges working ... i don't really want
> >>  guests until i can guarantee egress and right now getting out of the
> >>  circle when the rails are all down can be exciting.
> >>
> >>  i have a steamup-bay/storage yard that is now not connected to the
> >>  main loop -- i'm going to have to build a turnout that is at an
> >>  interesting angle to get the bay on-line to the mainline.
> >>
> >>  plus, there have to be a lot more test runs -- i wouldn't want
> >>  anything to happen to jeff's c-16, for example.
> >>
> >>  rest assured that there will be an announcement on the pcls list soon
> >>  about a steamup.
> >>
> >>  \dmc
> >>
> >>  --
> >>  ^^^
> >>  Dave Cole
> >>  Gen'l Sup't:  Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
> >> Pacifica, Calif. USA 
> >
> >>  List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers
> >> 
> >>
> >>  ^^^
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> ^^^
> Dave Cole
> Gen'l Sup't:  Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
>Pacifica, Calif. USA  
> List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers
>
> 
> ^^^ 
> 
 

Re: Re: OT: Garden layouts

[beowulf]

> I have elevated track for steaming--and a garden part with ground level
> track for the sparkies and NGers who come--miniatures, a pond,bridges, a
> pub, (yes a church too!) pastures, plastic cows, half naked milking maids,
> etc etc. Haven't got  naked Santa Claus on a pink and
> purple gondola car--yet!

err, saints preserve us. 

What monster have I fed too much weetabix to.  hmmm

[ big wink ]

John Foley
 

Re: Re-post re F scale

[Pthornto]

[I don't know what happens when I post through the browser version of AOL, but it 
truncates half the message.  My 'sent' copy is complete, and as there were a few 
useful links I'm re-posting it.]


In a message dated Thu, 4 Apr 2002  3:00:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> >> 2. Is anyone seriously building F-scale (1:20.3) standard guage equipment?
> 
>  Is the orgin of 1:20.32/.590" scale and 70.64mm ga (2.781") to build
> to 15mm scale?  I find it curious that someone would choose this scale to
> create a line of products (for sale I assume) so close to 
> 2-1/2" ga where there would be more market.

Harry,

F scale was invented to correct the gauge mismatch when 
modelling 3' narrow gauge on gauge 1 track.  It's not 15mm
scale particularly.  The scale railroad modellers got fed up
with running on metre-gauge track, so they switched to the
correct scale, which turns out to be 1:20.32!   It's really
all about Fn3, to use the traditional nomenclature. 

For track-powered models (or battery r/c, for that matter,)
there are a lot of mechanisms available.  And then Bachmann
jumped in with some beautiful 1:20.3 mass-produced
plastic/metal models at very reasonable prices.  Now
Accucraft makes steam and electric models in that scale.  
There are photos all over the web - browse through
the "photos" section on Finscale Railroader's site:
www.finescalerr.com .


I thought gauge 3 (2 1/2", 1:22.5) would catch on when I 
started large scale modelling (pre-steam!)  So I laid some G-
3/G-1/G-0 triple gauge track just for fun.  But the F scale 
stuff took over, and a couple of guys (e.g. Dave Queener) 
started noodling about standard gauge 'feeder' sidings for 
the NG layouts, and Dave started offering "F gauge" (2.781) 
models.   Then Jeff Saxton, whose employer was making 
a 'budget boxcar' wooden kit in F scale, ran off a larger 
version as a std gauge model.


All the gauge 1 live steam tracks are eminently suitable for 
running my 1:22.5 battery r/c cheap Bachmann trains, and 
likewise, as some local steam fans have found, the F scale NG 
tracks are fine for running gauge-1 live steamers.  (The ones 
with scale track anyway - those LGB 2' radius curves can be a 
bit intimidating!)   I run a mix of steam and 
battery/electric trains in 1:22.5, 1:20.3 and 1:19.1 (16mm 
scale) in my garden - not all at once.


If you think that's a strange way to start a scale/gauge, try 
figuring out why there are so many models of standard gauge 
trains running on gauge-1 track in 1:29 scale instead of 
1:32.  One theory is that it is 1/3rd of HO, so you can tell 
the chinese factory to scale up the drawing by 3 and make a 
cheap model!

  Pete 

Re: Re: list problems?

[Keith Taylor]

- Original Message -
From: Dave Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT: Re: list problems?

> i have told anyone who switched to version 6 that they need to
> respond to messages on the list by using the aol web site rather than
> the e-mail function of the application.
. but i don't think i'll try to
> experiment with aol 7 again.
Dave,
I too had great dificulties working with aol and email lists back when I
first switched to aol 6.0.
I then tried contacting aol about the trouble. After several conversations
with them, and noting their willingness to assisit me, I discovered the easy
solution! Since switching to another ISP, back over a year ago, I haven't
had any additional troubles with email posting! The only additional problem
I had with AOL was getting them to recognize that I had cancelled my
subscription! If anyone wishes to try another ISP, make sure you get a
transaction number from the AOL service people when you cancel.
They continued to bill me for three more months after cancelling! Each month
I had to give them the cancellation number, and each month I was told they'd
take care of it. And for three more months, they did not!
Sincerely, Keith Taylor   former AOL user.


 

Re: re. virus info and fix

[Trent Dowler]

Gladly. <*hick*>

Jesse Grimmer wrote:

> That Trent is always trying to stray from the subject...Hey Trent have
> another glass of Glenlivit and relax..he he he.
>
 

Re: re. virus info and fix

[Jesse Grimmer]

That Trent is always trying to stray from the subject...Hey Trent have
another glass of Glenlivit and relax..he he he.
 

Re: re. virus info and fix

[Dave Cole]

to quote another list mom:

>Please let's not diverge into a virus dicussion. They always boil down
>to, "Make sure you've got the latest version of your anti-virus software
>installed, and don't open attachements unless you know what they are and
>who they're from." Back to park trains!

\dmc

-- 
^^^
Dave Cole
Gen'l Sup't:  Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
   Pacifica, Calif. USA  
List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers
   
Editor:   TRELLIS & TRESTLE, the newsletter of the
   Bay Area Garden Railway Society 
   
Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers 
   
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Re: re. virus info and fix

[Sam Evans]

My understanding is that the original was a hoax but that a rather nasty
'magistr'? virus may hide on this or other .exe files used by Windows. 
The best thing to do is keep your virus checker uptodate.  If you
suspect infection contact a reputable site (www.sarc.com etc) before
leaping in to do something you may regret later.

Sam E

William & Sheila Harding wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> Correct, the file SULFNBK.EXE is located in Windows\Command\ directory and
> is a required file.
> 
> I'll go along with McAfee that the virus scare is just that, a scare and a
> hoax.
> 
> Bill H.
> 
> At 04:07 PM 7/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >At 12:46 PM 7/26/01 -0700, William & Sheila Harding wrote:
> >>According to the McAfee web site the aforementioned
> >>SULFNBK virus is a HOAX.
> >
> >One copy in the windows folder/directory is a necessary system file.  Any
> >instance found anywhere else on any hard drive or sent in an email is not.
> >
> >John Kowalchuk  maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes/harps
> >Oshawa, Ontario http://home.istar.ca/~johnk
> >
> >Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it.
> >
> > 

Re: re. virus info and fix

[Trent Dowler]

Hello Everyone,

  Perhaps it's a hoax, but it might still cause indirect problems.
  Here's my thinking. If SULFNBK.EXE is a required file but someone opens the
e-mail and reads that they should get rid of that file from their hard drive
(McAfee shows the text that is contained within the attachment), I'm sure it
would create problems when the file was deleted. After the initial scare,
people who deleted the file and had problems would be very reluctant to reload
a file named the same thing since the old file created such problems before.
All along it was themselves that created the problem by deleting the file. Make
sense to anyone else?
  Just thinking out loud here. Sorry.

Later,
Trent


William & Sheila Harding wrote:

> Correct, the file SULFNBK.EXE is located in Windows\Command\ directory and
> is a required file.
>
> >One copy in the windows folder/directory is a necessary system file.  Any
> >instance found anywhere else on any hard drive or sent in an email is not.
 

Re: re. virus info and fix

[William & Sheila Harding]

Hi:

Correct, the file SULFNBK.EXE is located in Windows\Command\ directory and
is a required file.

I'll go along with McAfee that the virus scare is just that, a scare and a
hoax.

Bill H.


At 04:07 PM 7/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
>At 12:46 PM 7/26/01 -0700, William & Sheila Harding wrote:
>>According to the McAfee web site the aforementioned 
>>SULFNBK virus is a HOAX.
>
>One copy in the windows folder/directory is a necessary system file.  Any
>instance found anywhere else on any hard drive or sent in an email is not.
>
>John Kowalchuk  maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes/harps
>Oshawa, Ontario http://home.istar.ca/~johnk
>
>Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. 
>
> 

Re: re. virus info and fix

[John Kowalchuk]

At 12:46 PM 7/26/01 -0700, William & Sheila Harding wrote:
>According to the McAfee web site the aforementioned 
>SULFNBK virus is a HOAX.

One copy in the windows folder/directory is a necessary system file.  Any
instance found anywhere else on any hard drive or sent in an email is not.

John Kowalchuk  maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes/harps
Oshawa, Ontario http://home.istar.ca/~johnk

Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. 

Re: re. virus info and fix

[William & Sheila Harding]

Friends:

According to the McAfee web site the aforementioned 
SULFNBK virus is a HOAX.

Check out:

http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99084&;

Cheers,

William A. Harding

 

Re: RE: wheels

[Scott McDonald]

Yup,  We got that figured out soon after I posted.  Forgot we had two Royce's on the 
net.  So I'll just amend my offer. If ANYONE has a lathe they would like to store in 
my basement,  I've got room!  ;-)

Scott


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Scott,
> 
> I think you are thinking of Royce W.  I am Royce B., the one that lives up
> the road from you :-)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:28 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
> Subject: Re: wheels
> 
> 
> Royce said:
> > And I only have a unenclosed carport.  And THAT is used by my tenant.  So
> unless
> > I can put my shop in the guest room, I'm outta luck for now.
> 
> Hey Royce!  You live close by, if you want to put your lathe in my basement,
> I've got room!  ;-)
> 
> Scott
> --
> --
> Clack Valves & Cornets Steam Band - http://www.erols.com/diesel/clack/
> __
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> http://webmail.netscape.com/  
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Re: Re: ZINC ALLOYS (was Iron castings)

[VR Bass]

> Why not get together the folks who want a particular wheel

OK, folks, I know a very good jewelry and industrial caster here in 
Albuquerque (the largest jewelry manufacturing city in the US).  Let's start by 
agreeing on the particular wheel we all want.

This is going to be good.  :-)

regards,
  -vance-

Vance Bass
Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass 

Re: Re: ZINC ALLOYS (was Iron castings)

[Casey Sterbenz]

Why not get together the folks who want a particular wheel, produce a 
pattern, and then go to one of the suppliers with a firm order for such and 
such a number of units?  That might be just the incentive they need to 
expand the available selection of wheels.

Casey Sterbenz


>From: "VR Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Re: ZINC ALLOYS (was Iron castings)
>Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:08:27 -0700
>
> > Mark Wood in the UK has  Baldwin C-16 and 14T Heisler wheel castings (a 
>la
> > Catatonk) and an enormous selection of _accurate_ British types.  
>Pricey,
> > but the best.
>
>Yep, like I said ... a very limited selection (for most of our purposes).  
>I would
>love it if we could get something of the quality of Mark Wood's wheels 
>here.
>(You should all buy one wheel just to hold it in your hand and sigh).  I 
>think
>we're still too small a population to warrant that kind of infrastructure, 
>though.
>
>regards,
>   -vance-
>

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Re: Re: ZINC ALLOYS (was Iron castings)

[VR Bass]

> Mark Wood in the UK has  Baldwin C-16 and 14T Heisler wheel castings (a la
> Catatonk) and an enormous selection of _accurate_ British types.  Pricey,
> but the best.

Yep, like I said ... a very limited selection (for most of our purposes).  I would 
love it if we could get something of the quality of Mark Wood's wheels here. 
(You should all buy one wheel just to hold it in your hand and sigh).  I think 
we're still too small a population to warrant that kind of infrastructure, though.

regards,
  -vance-

Vance Bass
Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass 

RE: Re: Wheels

[Gary Broeder]

>
>The traction tires I'm talking about would be like putting a rubber band on 
>the wear surface of the wheel. 
>Keep your steam up!
>Walt 


I think oily rubber would be worse that stainless steel! 


GaryB
 

Re: Re: ZINC ALLOYS (was Iron castings)

[Mike Chaney]

Vance noted:-

> Likewise -- I was lamenting the limited selection.  There are wheels
available,
> they're just not the ones I need

Mark Wood in the UK has  Baldwin C-16 and 14T Heisler wheel castings (a la
Catatonk) and an enormous selection of _accurate_ British types.  Pricey,
but the best.

Mike (satisfied customer.)

 

RE: Re: ZINC ALLOYS (was Iron castings)

[VR Bass]

> >  I sure wish we could get good iron castings in our scales
> 
> All of the wheel castings I have used from Locosteam and Walsall have turned
> like butter 

Likewise -- I was lamenting the limited selection.  There are wheels available, 
they're just not the ones I need

-vance-

"Another day goes by in the time machine.  
I've been breaking my brain over what it might mean
just to claim the time to turn away
and make today today."  --James Taylor 

Re: Re: ZINC ALLOYS (was Iron castings)

[Charles Brumbelow]

Addresses for the two vendors you list, please.  Charles

- Original Message -
From: "Gary Broeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 1:53 AM
Subject: RE: Re: ZINC ALLOYS (was Iron castings)


>
>  I
> >sure wish we could get good iron castings in our scales
> >
> >-vance-
>
>
> Vance,
>
> All of the wheel castings I have used from Locosteam and Walsall have
turned like butter in my Unimat 3". For
> traction cast iron can not be beat.
>
> I also recall an ad from Argyle loco in Australia some time ago offering
stainless drivers. Perhaps Gordon can
> update us on this.
>
> Gary B
>
>
 

RE: Re: ZINC ALLOYS (was Iron castings)

[Gary Broeder]

 I 
>sure wish we could get good iron castings in our scales
>
>-vance-


Vance,

All of the wheel castings I have used from Locosteam and Walsall have turned like 
butter in my Unimat 3". For 
traction cast iron can not be beat. 

I also recall an ad from Argyle loco in Australia some time ago offering stainless 
drivers. Perhaps Gordon can 
update us on this.

Gary B

 

RE: Re: Dead leg lubricator?

[Geoff Spenceley]

 Gary,  Sorry, Your following  statement is not correct:   ">Geoff, and
others, Oil floats on water that is the only "pressure " needed. The whole
system is under the same
>pressure"  It IS NOT!.

 I will reply  to you off sslivesteam.   Pip, Pip

Geoff.

geoff.Harry, but we are talking about a pressurized
>>system and the water won't just "push" the oil into the steam line--there
>>MUST be a pressure differential! Certainly the water displaces the oil, (
>>thus a displacement lubricator)-
>
>Geoff, and others, Oil floats on water that is the only "presure " needed.
>The whole system is under the same
>pressure so where can the differential come from?. Take a small glass tube
>closed at the bottom, fill it half with
>oil. Fill the other half with water... Watch what happens. Oil rises to
>the top,keep pouring water in and in time
>the oil will be gone with water remaining. This will happen in an open
>atmosphere or a closed system under
>pressure.
>
>Gary


 

RE: Re: Dead leg lubricator?

[Gary Broeder]

Harry, but we are talking about a pressurized
>system and the water won't just "push" the oil into the steam line--there
>MUST be a pressure differential! Certainly the water displaces the oil, (
>thus a displacement lubricator)- 

Geoff, and others, Oil floats on water that is the only "presure " needed. The whole 
system is under the same 
pressure so where can the differential come from?. Take a small glass tube closed at 
the bottom, fill it half with 
oil. Fill the other half with water... Watch what happens. Oil rises to the top,keep 
pouring water in and in time 
the oil will be gone with water remaining. This will happen in an open atmosphere or a 
closed system under 
pressure.

Gary