Re: [Stripes-users] Maven convention

2010-11-09 Thread Samuel Santos
I do agree that we should at least add the support for Java Authentication
and Authorization Service (JAAS) to Stripes core.

On the other hand, I also feel that the support for external frameworks
(i.e. Spring) don't belong in Stripes core and should me moved to external
extensions.

Cheers,

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On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:07 AM, dimension123 dimension123 
dimension...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am curious if there are any things related to security that are going
 into 1.5.4.
 I think the only thing lacking with stripes is security and while i
 understand the argument that there are other frameworks that handle security
 well, i feel large corporate tech shops turn down proposals from architects
 pushing stripes because of its lack of security consideration ...security is
 perhaps one of the most important factors when it comes to IT heads adopting
 a new framework;  if they have to use say spring security with stripes, then
 they are going to go spring all the way in many cases i think as the
 impression is that it will be more economical to pour resources into
 learning/adopting a single framework rather than two.
 Just my 2 pennies...

 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Nikolaos Giannopoulos 
 nikol...@brightminds.org wrote:

  Samuel,

 I am very much in favour of Maven on any project to the point that I have
 been very vocal about Stripes and Maven support.

 However, I would agree with Ben that for 1.5.4 that we just keep things as
 they are.  In fact, I think 1.5.4 has stewed long enough and should be
 officially released as we are approaching a year since the release of
 1.5.3.  As I have mentioned a number of times perception is key in
 software IMHO and a release of 1.5.4 trumps internal project changes - at
 least for me.

 Speaking of which:

 Ben:  Any idea when 1.5.4 will be released?  It contains a lot of key
 fixes and it has baked long enough?  No???

 --Nikolaos





 Samuel Santos wrote:

 Ben,

 Consider this as an excuse to optimize our code structure ;)

 Cheers,

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 On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Ben Gunter gunter...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is something we can consider after the release of 1.5.4. I didn't
 feel the need to add a Maven build in the first place, and I surely don't
 like the idea of having to move stuff all around to accommodate it so there
 will be resistance.

 -Ben


 On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:17 AM, VANKEISBELCK Remi r...@rvkb.comwrote:

 Hi Nathan,

 In order to keep the current tooling (ant, ide settings, scripts, etc)
 working, and to get the first maven build working smoothly without being
 intrusive, it has been agreed that nothing had to be changed.

 Now that it works, I already talked about some refactoring of the
 folders to allow less config in poms, and more importantly, to allow tests
 to be in the same module than the core code.

 For the moment, due to the folder layout that was imposed, I had to
 create a specific module for the unit tests. This means that the core 
 module
 is built (and deployed if you do mvn deploy) even when tests fail. It only
 has to compile to get installed/deployed into maven repos. That sucks (not
 that word again...) a lot, and IMHO is the main reason to so some small
 refactorings.

 Ben ? Have you thought about it a little ? Would you mind if I do some
 small surgery in 1.5.x and trunk so that we have the tests in the core
 module ?

 Cheers

 Remi


 2010/10/31 Nathan Maves nathan.ma...@gmail.com

 Just curious if anyone has thought to migrate the current layout of the
 stripes code to use more Maven conventions?

  Nathan




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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Nikolaos Giannopoulos

Thought those on the use mailing list might want to voice their opinion(s).

--Nikolaos



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Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)
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Key: STS-779
URL: http://www.stripesframework.org/jira/browse/STS-779
Project: Stripes
 Issue Type: Task
   Affects Versions: Release 1.5.4
   Reporter: Nikolaos


Ben Gunter wrote on 10/5/2010:


The layout tags in 1.5.3 and earlier buffer virtually everything in memory 
before dumping it all out at once. I've modified the tags to stream directly to 
output instead, but it required a major overhaul so I'd like to have it tested 
thoroughly before I release 1.5.4. From the perspective of the Stripes 
developer, layouts should work almost exactly the same.


snip


I have lots of crazy test cases that work great. I just wanted people to drop 
in a snapshot where they're running 1.5.3 and make sure everything still works.



The issues that I personally had w/ nested layouts in 1.5.4 Snapshot have been 
resolved with this fix.  I believe in asides others have echoed this sentiment.

Can we now move forward to officially release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)
We can always delay this release but to what end?  There will always be another 
release to pack in more fixes or features.

Who in the Stripes community agrees / disagrees?

--Nikolaos

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread VANKEISBELCK Remi
Let's go. It's been too long already. And if this layout thing actually
turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll fix and re-release.

The release process (apart from the whole website/news etc) is really
straightforward with maven now, I don't see no showstopper.

If anyone thinks we should wait, please speak up !

Cheers

Remi


2010/11/9 Nikolaos Giannopoulos nikol...@brightminds.org

  Thought those on the use mailing list might want to voice their
 opinion(s).

 --Nikolaos



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 (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)  Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010
 19:52:13 -0600 (CST)  From: Nikolaos (JIRA) 
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 Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)
 --

  Key: STS-779
  URL: http://www.stripesframework.org/jira/browse/STS-779
  Project: Stripes
   Issue Type: Task
 Affects Versions: Release 1.5.4
 Reporter: Nikolaos


 Ben Gunter wrote on 10/5/2010:

  The layout tags in 1.5.3 and earlier buffer virtually everything in memory 
  before dumping it all out at once. I've modified the tags to stream 
  directly to output instead, but it required a major overhaul so I'd like to 
  have it tested thoroughly before I release 1.5.4. From the perspective of 
  the Stripes developer, layouts should work almost exactly the same.

 snip

  I have lots of crazy test cases that work great. I just wanted people to 
  drop in a snapshot where they're running 1.5.3 and make sure everything 
  still works.


 The issues that I personally had w/ nested layouts in 1.5.4 Snapshot have 
 been resolved with this fix.  I believe in asides others have echoed this 
 sentiment.

 Can we now move forward to officially release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)
 We can always delay this release but to what end?  There will always be 
 another release to pack in more fixes or features.

 Who in the Stripes community agrees / disagrees?

 --Nikolaos

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Joaquin Valdez
Lets go!!! Wooh!


On Nov 9, 2010, at 11:51 AM, VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote:

 Let's go. It's been too long already. And if this layout thing actually turns 
 out to be a disaster, well, we'll fix and re-release.
 
 The release process (apart from the whole website/news etc) is really 
 straightforward with maven now, I don't see no showstopper.  
 
 If anyone thinks we should wait, please speak up !
 
 Cheers
 
 Remi
 
 
 2010/11/9 Nikolaos Giannopoulos nikol...@brightminds.org
 Thought those on the use mailing list might want to voice their opinion(s).
 
 --Nikolaos
 
 
 
  Original Message 
 Subject:  [Stripes-dev] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to 
 Maven Repo)
 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:52:13 -0600 (CST)
 From: Nikolaos (JIRA) j...@stripesframework.org
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 stripes-developm...@lists.sourceforge.net
 To:   stripes-developm...@lists.sourceforge.net
 
 Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)
 --
 
  Key: STS-779
  URL: http://www.stripesframework.org/jira/browse/STS-779
  Project: Stripes
   Issue Type: Task
 Affects Versions: Release 1.5.4
 Reporter: Nikolaos
 
 
 Ben Gunter wrote on 10/5/2010:
 
  The layout tags in 1.5.3 and earlier buffer virtually everything in memory 
  before dumping it all out at once. I've modified the tags to stream 
  directly to output instead, but it required a major overhaul so I'd like to 
  have it tested thoroughly before I release 1.5.4. From the perspective of 
  the Stripes developer, layouts should work almost exactly the same.
 
 snip
 
  I have lots of crazy test cases that work great. I just wanted people to 
  drop in a snapshot where they're running 1.5.3 and make sure everything 
  still works.
 
 
 The issues that I personally had w/ nested layouts in 1.5.4 Snapshot have 
 been resolved with this fix.  I believe in asides others have echoed this 
 sentiment.
 
 Can we now move forward to officially release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)
 We can always delay this release but to what end?  There will always be 
 another release to pack in more fixes or features.
 
 Who in the Stripes community agrees / disagrees?
 
 --Nikolaos
 
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Marcus Kraßmann
Hi,

Am 09.11.2010 20:51, schrieb VANKEISBELCK Remi:
 Let's go. It's been too long already. And if this layout thing 
 actually turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll fix and re-release.

 The release process (apart from the whole website/news etc) is really 
 straightforward with maven now, I don't see no showstopper.


A new release on the stable 1.5.x branch that possibly breaks existing 
applications would be a showstopper. Has there been any _qualified_ 
feedback for the layout changes?

Greets,
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Grzegorz Krugły
W dniu 09.11.2010 20:51, VANKEISBELCK Remi pisze:
 Let's go. It's been too long already. And if this layout thing 
 actually turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll fix and re-release.

This does sound more like Microsoft relasing Windows (hey, we have 
autoupdate, we'll fix it later or we'll issue an SP). I believe changes 
as deep as those with layout engine should be tested and confirmed 
working if we still want Stripes to be treated seriously.

Having said that, I have been using 1.5.x branch on my e-commerce app 
where layouts are intensively used for CMS-related stuff and I have 
noticed no fuckups after Ben's changes. But there have not been too many 
responses to Ben's call for testing and I'm not sure if releasing 
without confirming (perhaps some synthetic suite of tests that check 
edge cases?) it works for everyone is a good idea.


 The release process (apart from the whole website/news etc) is really 
 straightforward with maven now, I don't see no showstopper.

If someone is happily using 1.5.3 and replaces it with 1.5.4 (so only 
minor version increase) and it breaks horribly with strange templating 
bugs, it IS a showstopper. Breaking things between minor releases is the 
way PHP works, not serious Java frameworks.

 If anyone thinks we should wait, please speak up !

Up! ;-)

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Nikolaos Giannopoulos

Marcus,

I don't see the grounds / basis for Remi's comments and totally disagree 
with a nonchalant care taken for any release.


*Please re-read the initial post on this thread.*
Nested layouts was the main thing IMO that held back the 1.5.4 release.
I reported some issues w/ nested layouts as well as provided Ben with 
simple reproducible tests.


Ben resolved those issues a month ago and said:
 I have lots of crazy test cases that work great. I just wanted people 
to drop in a snapshot where they're running 1.5.3 and make sure 
everything still works.


Others have made aside comments that nested layouts work for them.

Cheers,

--Nikolaos





Marcus Kra?mann wrote:

Hi,

Am 09.11.2010 20:51, schrieb VANKEISBELCK Remi:
  
Let's go. It's been too long already. And if this layout thing 
actually turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll fix and re-release.


The release process (apart from the whole website/news etc) is really 
straightforward with maven now, I don't see no showstopper.




A new release on the stable 1.5.x branch that possibly breaks existing 
applications would be a showstopper. Has there been any _qualified_ 
feedback for the layout changes?


Greets,
Marcus

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread gshegosh

W dniu 09.11.2010 22:29, Nikolaos Giannopoulos pisze:

What is the issue you have with the 1.5.4 release going live?


Personally I have no issue with 1.5.4 release going live since it works 
splendidly for me on Glassfish 3 even with my quirky CMS stuff based on 
layouts.


What I have disagree with is the approach that Remi seems to be supporting:

And if this layout thing actually turns out to be a disaster, well, 
we'll fix and re-release.


In my opinion, either the feature is working, or it's out of the 
release. I'm not current with the state of layout tags modifications, if 
they are confirmed to be working, let 1.5.4 be released; I based my 
previous post on that single sentence which could suggest they are NOT 
fully confirmed to be working.


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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread VANKEISBELCK Remi
Hi,

The question is about the nested layouts feature that Ben included weeks
ago. Remember ? He even asked for testing at that time... Not sure I
remember you whining people sending anything concrete, like test cases. At
least no such thing got commited in our webtests... anyway.

I have been talking with Ben about it and he said that according to him the
nested layouts feature is ready unless someone has a problem with it. Since
no one has a problem, and since it was the feature we waited for in order to
release, I suggested to go for it. We're not gonna spend months with this
stuff.
Many people is waiting for 1.5.4 to be officially released. If you're not,
well, just stick to 1.5.3. Also, many people have tried out the
1.5.4-SNAPSHOT version. So I don't think there's any reason to panic here...

Now for the if it has a problem we'll release again : that's what every
software does, isn't it ? I mean, there are bugs, we fix them, we release...
Moreover, now that releasing into maven central is a one-command operation
or almost, I don't see the problem. Even a critical issue (which doesn't
seem to be the case for now) would not really serious : just rollback and
keep 1.5.3 in the meantime we fix the bug.
Don't make me wrong : I don't say it's classy to release with a blocker. But
it ain't classy to wait forever either, and again, 1.5.4 has already been
out for a while as a SNAPSHOT so it should be tested the best we can...
Sometimes, you just need balls :P

Anyway, unless you guys have a problem with the layouts thing, I don't see
why you complain. No layout problem found ? Well, let's go. That was my
point.

Cheers

Remi

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  W dniu 09.11.2010 22:29, Nikolaos Giannopoulos pisze:

 What is the issue you have with the 1.5.4 release going live?


 Personally I have no issue with 1.5.4 release going live since it works
 splendidly for me on Glassfish 3 even with my quirky CMS stuff based on
 layouts.

 What I have disagree with is the approach that Remi seems to be supporting:


 And if this layout thing actually turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll
 fix and re-release.

 In my opinion, either the feature is working, or it's out of the release.
 I'm not current with the state of layout tags modifications, if they are
 confirmed to be working, let 1.5.4 be released; I based my previous post on
 that single sentence which could suggest they are NOT fully confirmed to be
 working.



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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Nikolaos Giannopoulos

Remi,

Man... why couldn't you have just said:  I agree that 1.5.4 should be 
released as I have no issues with it or just OK.  It would have had 
the effect of what you and I and a number of other people are asking 
for... a timely release of 1.5.4... all things considered.


While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the tone 
and candor of your comments are alarming to some who have not had issues 
with nested layouts OR have not had time to test BUT who have come to 
expect solid releases for Stripes.  I know you didn't intend any 
mis-direction with your comment but unfortunately not everyone will read 
or get every nuance of every e-mail.


And yes - releases can be re-released - and we have you to thank for the 
Maven release piece but honestly lets not go there... agreed ;-)


Anyone else have any issues with nested layouts in 1.5.4 or 1.5.4 please 
speak up now.


Cheers,

--Nikolaos





VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote:

Hi,

The question is about the nested layouts feature that Ben included 
weeks ago. Remember ? He even asked for testing at that time... Not 
sure I remember you whining people sending anything concrete, like 
test cases. At least no such thing got commited in our webtests... anyway.


I have been talking with Ben about it and he said that according to 
him the nested layouts feature is ready unless someone has a problem 
with it. Since no one has a problem, and since it was the feature we 
waited for in order to release, I suggested to go for it. We're not 
gonna spend months with this stuff.
Many people is waiting for 1.5.4 to be officially released. If you're 
not, well, just stick to 1.5.3. Also, many people have tried out the 
1.5.4-SNAPSHOT version. So I don't think there's any reason to panic 
here...


Now for the if it has a problem we'll release again : that's what 
every software does, isn't it ? I mean, there are bugs, we fix them, 
we release... Moreover, now that releasing into maven central is a 
one-command operation or almost, I don't see the problem. Even a 
critical issue (which doesn't seem to be the case for now) would not 
really serious : just rollback and keep 1.5.3 in the meantime we fix 
the bug.
Don't make me wrong : I don't say it's classy to release with a 
blocker. But it ain't classy to wait forever either, and again, 1.5.4 
has already been out for a while as a SNAPSHOT so it should be tested 
the best we can...

Sometimes, you just need balls :P

Anyway, unless you guys have a problem with the layouts thing, I don't 
see why you complain. No layout problem found ? Well, let's go. That 
was my point.


Cheers

Remi

2010/11/9 gshegosh g...@karko.net mailto:g...@karko.net

W dniu 09.11.2010 22:29, Nikolaos Giannopoulos pisze:

What is the issue you have with the 1.5.4 release going live?


Personally I have no issue with 1.5.4 release going live since it
works splendidly for me on Glassfish 3 even with my quirky CMS
stuff based on layouts.

What I have disagree with is the approach that Remi seems to be
supporting:


And if this layout thing actually turns out to be a disaster,
well, we'll fix and re-release.

In my opinion, either the feature is working, or it's out of the
release. I'm not current with the state of layout tags
modifications, if they are confirmed to be working, let 1.5.4 be
released; I based my previous post on that single sentence which
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Samuel Santos
Currently Stripes is not working with JBoss 6.
This is a very serious issue to me.

Shouldn't we try to fix it before releasing version 1.5.4?
How much will we have to wait until version 1.5.5 or 1.6? Will they be out
in time for JBoss 6 GA?

We have 3 open issues related to this - STS-773, STS-775 and STS-776.

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On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Nikolaos Giannopoulos 
nikol...@brightminds.org wrote:

  Remi,

 Man... why couldn't you have just said:  I agree that 1.5.4 should be
 released as I have no issues with it or just OK.  It would have had the
 effect of what you and I and a number of other people are asking for... a
 timely release of 1.5.4... all things considered.

 While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the tone and
 candor of your comments are alarming to some who have not had issues with
 nested layouts OR have not had time to test BUT who have come to expect
 solid releases for Stripes.  I know you didn't intend any mis-direction with
 your comment but unfortunately not everyone will read or get every nuance of
 every e-mail.

 And yes - releases can be re-released - and we have you to thank for the
 Maven release piece but honestly lets not go there... agreed ;-)

 Anyone else have any issues with nested layouts in 1.5.4 or 1.5.4 please
 speak up now.

 Cheers,

 --Nikolaos





 VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote:

 Hi,

 The question is about the nested layouts feature that Ben included weeks
 ago. Remember ? He even asked for testing at that time... Not sure I
 remember you whining people sending anything concrete, like test cases. At
 least no such thing got commited in our webtests... anyway.

 I have been talking with Ben about it and he said that according to him the
 nested layouts feature is ready unless someone has a problem with it. Since
 no one has a problem, and since it was the feature we waited for in order to
 release, I suggested to go for it. We're not gonna spend months with this
 stuff.
 Many people is waiting for 1.5.4 to be officially released. If you're not,
 well, just stick to 1.5.3. Also, many people have tried out the
 1.5.4-SNAPSHOT version. So I don't think there's any reason to panic here...

 Now for the if it has a problem we'll release again : that's what every
 software does, isn't it ? I mean, there are bugs, we fix them, we release...
 Moreover, now that releasing into maven central is a one-command operation
 or almost, I don't see the problem. Even a critical issue (which doesn't
 seem to be the case for now) would not really serious : just rollback and
 keep 1.5.3 in the meantime we fix the bug.
 Don't make me wrong : I don't say it's classy to release with a blocker.
 But it ain't classy to wait forever either, and again, 1.5.4 has already
 been out for a while as a SNAPSHOT so it should be tested the best we can...

 Sometimes, you just need balls :P

 Anyway, unless you guys have a problem with the layouts thing, I don't see
 why you complain. No layout problem found ? Well, let's go. That was my
 point.

 Cheers

 Remi

 2010/11/9 gshegosh g...@karko.net

  W dniu 09.11.2010 22:29, Nikolaos Giannopoulos pisze:

 What is the issue you have with the 1.5.4 release going live?


  Personally I have no issue with 1.5.4 release going live since it works
 splendidly for me on Glassfish 3 even with my quirky CMS stuff based on
 layouts.

 What I have disagree with is the approach that Remi seems to be
 supporting:


 And if this layout thing actually turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll
 fix and re-release.

  In my opinion, either the feature is working, or it's out of the release.
 I'm not current with the state of layout tags modifications, if they are
 confirmed to be working, let 1.5.4 be released; I based my previous post on
 that single sentence which could suggest they are NOT fully confirmed to be
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Nikolaos Giannopoulos

Samuel,

I think we need to strive for compatibility with a officially released 
GA versions of software...


If JBoss 6 is not GA... is it a legitimate reason to hold back 1.5.4?  
IMHO... No.
What if we fix Stripes and JBoss 6 is altered before GA... do we again 
delay 1.5.4?
In fact, we can have this same conversation about any version of 
software that has not gone GA.


I understand your issue and how serious it is to you but we have to draw 
a line in the sand somewhere.  Again this is IMHO.


Unfortunately, I can't help you with JBoss 6 as I have no experience 
with that particular App Server (many others but not that one) but what 
would help immensely towards getting issues resolved in a release is 
trying to figure out the issues and possibly even developing a patch OR 
at least working on the issues sufficiently that the problem is clearly 
understood and can be remedied.


I did look at your tickets though and in this specific case, it 
appears that your JBoss 6 version can not find ActionBeans.  Sounds 
pretty broken.  But also appears weird that it would have anything to do 
with Stripes at this point... i.e. I would expect the issue to have 
something to do with JBoss more than Stripes as really Stripes has no 
dependency on any functionality specific to a particular App Server and 
runs fine on anything J2EE... and that tips the scale for me to not wait 
for this particular issue... as tempting as it may be... there will 
always be something to fix.  Again... others can chime in with their 
opinion.


As far as time line for 1.5.5 or 1.6 is concerned I can't speak to that 
either... but I imagine for every day 1.5.4 is not released that 
probably pushes out a potential release of 1.5.5 or 1.6 b/c all we 
essentially are doing is sitting on our hands and waiting... for what... 
who knows ;-)


My 2 cents... and others may disagree... .

--Nikolaos




Samuel Santos wrote:

Currently Stripes is not working with JBoss 6.
This is a very serious issue to me.

Shouldn't we try to fix it before releasing version 1.5.4?
How much will we have to wait until version 1.5.5 or 1.6? Will they be 
out in time for JBoss 6 GA?


We have 3 open issues related to this - STS-773, STS-775 and STS-776.

Cheers,

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On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Nikolaos Giannopoulos 
nikol...@brightminds.org mailto:nikol...@brightminds.org wrote:


Remi,

Man... why couldn't you have just said:  I agree that 1.5.4
should be released as I have no issues with it or just OK.  It
would have had the effect of what you and I and a number of other
people are asking for... a timely release of 1.5.4... all things
considered.

While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the
tone and candor of your comments are alarming to some who have not
had issues with nested layouts OR have not had time to test BUT
who have come to expect solid releases for Stripes.  I know you
didn't intend any mis-direction with your comment but
unfortunately not everyone will read or get every nuance of every
e-mail.

And yes - releases can be re-released - and we have you to thank
for the Maven release piece but honestly lets not go there...
agreed ;-)

Anyone else have any issues with nested layouts in 1.5.4 or 1.5.4
please speak up now.

Cheers,

--Nikolaos





VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote:

Hi,

The question is about the nested layouts feature that Ben
included weeks ago. Remember ? He even asked for testing at that
time... Not sure I remember you whining people sending anything
concrete, like test cases. At least no such thing got commited in
our webtests... anyway.

I have been talking with Ben about it and he said that according
to him the nested layouts feature is ready unless someone has a
problem with it. Since no one has a problem, and since it was the
feature we waited for in order to release, I suggested to go for
it. We're not gonna spend months with this stuff.
Many people is waiting for 1.5.4 to be officially released. If
you're not, well, just stick to 1.5.3. Also, many people have
tried out the 1.5.4-SNAPSHOT version. So I don't think there's
any reason to panic here...

Now for the if it has a problem we'll release again : that's
what every software does, isn't it ? I mean, there are bugs, we
fix them, we release... Moreover, now that releasing into maven
central is a one-command operation or almost, I don't see the
problem. Even a critical issue (which doesn't seem to be the
case for now) would not really serious : just rollback and keep
1.5.3 in the meantime we fix the bug.
Don't make me wrong : I don't say it's classy to release with a
blocker. But it ain't classy to wait forever either, and again,
1.5.4 has already been out for a while as a SNAPSHOT so it should
be tested the best we can...

Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Will Hartung

On Nov 9, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Samuel Santos wrote:

 Currently Stripes is not working with JBoss 6.
 This is a very serious issue to me.
 
 Shouldn't we try to fix it before releasing version 1.5.4?
 How much will we have to wait until version 1.5.5 or 1.6? Will they be out in 
 time for JBoss 6 GA?
 
 We have 3 open issues related to this - STS-773, STS-775 and STS-776.

There are 97 open issues in the database. But I don't think there's any 
expectation that they all be fixed for a point release, or any release for that 
matter.

Whatever was done between .3 and .4 did not cause the issues you're having. 
Arguably, it's a regression problem, but it's a regression on a new container.

As for when they will be fixed, or when .5 will come out, who can say. Such is 
the nature of a volunteer project.

All that can be said is if .4 is cut and released, then whatever changes may be 
made going forward for other bug fixes won't break the current release from the 
website or the repos, and those who need the layout fixes can use the 
production version rather than the beta version.

If you would like to tackle debugging the JBoss issue in the J6, perhaps 
stepping enabling the debug log, stepping through some code, posting to the 
JBoss forums and perhaps asking them why this works every where else and not 
here, etc., then perhaps a .5 can be cut with just the JBoss 6 fixes. Perhaps 
you'll be able to give some feedback to the folks so they can go AHA! and fix 
your bug sooner than later.

The dot releases are pretty much arbitrary. They happen when something is fixed 
and the fixers and users are happy with the fixes and they don't want to open a 
new can of worms on top of the stable code.

So, in that light, I say Ship It.

Regards,

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Freddy Daoud
 While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the tone 
 and candor of your comments are alarming to some...

...unless know Rémi, and then you know not to get offended :)

Seriously people, unless someone calls you a !(*$? !*$?!, don't
get offended. At least not on the Stripes mailing list. We're all
friendly here and I have yet to see anyone actually directly and
nastily insult another. Too often, offense is taken where none
was intended, by the unfortunately toneless nature of plain
text.

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Re: [Stripes-users] Maven convention

2010-11-09 Thread Ben Gunter
I'm working on releasing 1.5.4 now, but I can't promise I'll get it done
tonight. There's some stuff involved I've never done, like GPG signing the
artifacts and getting them synced to central through Sonatype. If I screw
something up, the release will be delayed.

-Ben

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Nikolaos Giannopoulos 
nikol...@brightminds.org wrote:

  Samuel,

 I am very much in favour of Maven on any project to the point that I have
 been very vocal about Stripes and Maven support.

 However, I would agree with Ben that for 1.5.4 that we just keep things as
 they are.  In fact, I think 1.5.4 has stewed long enough and should be
 officially released as we are approaching a year since the release of
 1.5.3.  As I have mentioned a number of times perception is key in
 software IMHO and a release of 1.5.4 trumps internal project changes - at
 least for me.

 Speaking of which:

 Ben:  Any idea when 1.5.4 will be released?  It contains a lot of key fixes
 and it has baked long enough?  No???

 --Nikolaos





 Samuel Santos wrote:

 Ben,

 Consider this as an excuse to optimize our code structure ;)

 Cheers,

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 On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Ben Gunter gunter...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is something we can consider after the release of 1.5.4. I didn't
 feel the need to add a Maven build in the first place, and I surely don't
 like the idea of having to move stuff all around to accommodate it so there
 will be resistance.

 -Ben


 On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:17 AM, VANKEISBELCK Remi r...@rvkb.comwrote:

 Hi Nathan,

 In order to keep the current tooling (ant, ide settings, scripts, etc)
 working, and to get the first maven build working smoothly without being
 intrusive, it has been agreed that nothing had to be changed.

 Now that it works, I already talked about some refactoring of the folders
 to allow less config in poms, and more importantly, to allow tests to be in
 the same module than the core code.

 For the moment, due to the folder layout that was imposed, I had to
 create a specific module for the unit tests. This means that the core module
 is built (and deployed if you do mvn deploy) even when tests fail. It only
 has to compile to get installed/deployed into maven repos. That sucks (not
 that word again...) a lot, and IMHO is the main reason to so some small
 refactorings.

 Ben ? Have you thought about it a little ? Would you mind if I do some
 small surgery in 1.5.x and trunk so that we have the tests in the core
 module ?

 Cheers

 Remi


 2010/10/31 Nathan Maves nathan.ma...@gmail.com

 Just curious if anyone has thought to migrate the current layout of the
 stripes code to use more Maven conventions?

  Nathan




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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Nikolaos Giannopoulos
Freddy,

The point wasn't that anyone got offended... but rather that some got 
alarmed by the comment w.r.t. disaster and started jumping all over it.
As I mentioned in another post... I don't think that is what Remi 
intended to say... .

The unfortunate thing is that the nested layout problem reference is a 
red herring... and for me that was the bigger issue.
I don't think there is any doubt that Remi wants this released and 
released properly just like the rest of us.

In any event, just wanted to clarify that... .

--Nikolaos



Freddy Daoud wrote:
 While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the tone 
 and candor of your comments are alarming to some...
 

 ...unless know Rémi, and then you know not to get offended :)

 Seriously people, unless someone calls you a !(*$? !*$?!, don't
 get offended. At least not on the Stripes mailing list. We're all
 friendly here and I have yet to see anyone actually directly and
 nastily insult another. Too often, offense is taken where none
 was intended, by the unfortunately toneless nature of plain
 text.

 Cheers,
 Freddy
   

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Dimension123
Im offended  your book  isn't here yet.

On topic...release this  bad boy!

-Original Message-
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To: nikol...@brightminds.org; Stripes Users List 
stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to 
Maven Repo)]

 While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the tone 
 and candor of your comments are alarming to some...

..unless know Rémi, and then you know not to get offended :)

Seriously people, unless someone calls you a !(*$? !*$?!, don't
get offended. At least not on the Stripes mailing list. We're all
friendly here and I have yet to see anyone actually directly and
nastily insult another. Too often, offense is taken where none
was intended, by the unfortunately toneless nature of plain
text.

Cheers,
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Ben Gunter
My turn to join in the fun on this thread! As far as I'm concerned, the
layout changes are solid. Everyone who reported problems while I was working
on the changes is now reporting that everything works. All the zany tests I
could come up with that used to break things no longer break things. I'm
confident it's ready to ship.

As for the problems with JBoss, there have been some pretty major changes
since 1.5.3 to help fix various app server-related issues. I don't know if
the particular problems Samuel mentioned have been addressed, but I'm of the
opinion that the code has been stable for some time now and we just need to
release it. Any problems that still remain after the release can be fixed
for the next release.

I'm working on pushing the release now, but I don't know if I'll finish it
tonight. It'll happen in the next day or two, anyway.

-Ben

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Will Hartung redro...@sbcglobal.net wrote:


 On Nov 9, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Samuel Santos wrote:

  Currently Stripes is not working with JBoss 6.
  This is a very serious issue to me.
 
  Shouldn't we try to fix it before releasing version 1.5.4?
  How much will we have to wait until version 1.5.5 or 1.6? Will they be
 out in time for JBoss 6 GA?
 
  We have 3 open issues related to this - STS-773, STS-775 and STS-776.

 There are 97 open issues in the database. But I don't think there's any
 expectation that they all be fixed for a point release, or any release for
 that matter.

 Whatever was done between .3 and .4 did not cause the issues you're having.
 Arguably, it's a regression problem, but it's a regression on a new
 container.

 As for when they will be fixed, or when .5 will come out, who can say. Such
 is the nature of a volunteer project.

 All that can be said is if .4 is cut and released, then whatever changes
 may be made going forward for other bug fixes won't break the current
 release from the website or the repos, and those who need the layout fixes
 can use the production version rather than the beta version.

 If you would like to tackle debugging the JBoss issue in the J6, perhaps
 stepping enabling the debug log, stepping through some code, posting to the
 JBoss forums and perhaps asking them why this works every where else and
 not here, etc., then perhaps a .5 can be cut with just the JBoss 6 fixes.
 Perhaps you'll be able to give some feedback to the folks so they can go
 AHA! and fix your bug sooner than later.

 The dot releases are pretty much arbitrary. They happen when something is
 fixed and the fixers and users are happy with the fixes and they don't want
 to open a new can of worms on top of the stable code.

 So, in that light, I say Ship It.

 Regards,

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

2010-11-09 Thread Freddy Daoud
:-)

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 22:01:49 -0500, Dimension123
dimension...@gmail.com said:
 Im offended  your book  isn't here yet.
 
 On topic...release this  bad boy!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Freddy Daoud xf2...@fastmail.fm
 Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:48 PM
 To: nikol...@brightminds.org; Stripes Users List
 stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4
 (also to Maven Repo)]
 
  While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the tone 
  and candor of your comments are alarming to some...
 
 ..unless know Rémi, and then you know not to get offended :)
 
 Seriously people, unless someone calls you a !(*$? !*$?!, don't
 get offended. At least not on the Stripes mailing list. We're all
 friendly here and I have yet to see anyone actually directly and
 nastily insult another. Too often, offense is taken where none
 was intended, by the unfortunately toneless nature of plain
 text.
 
 Cheers,
 Freddy
 
 
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[Stripes-users] Stripes 1.5.4 released

2010-11-09 Thread Ben Gunter
It's available from Sourceforge now, and it should sync to Maven central
soon. Here's a list of changes since 1.5.3:

http://stripesframework.org/jira/browse/STS?report=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project:changelog-panel

-Ben
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Re: [Stripes-users] [Stripes-dev] Stripes 1.5.4 released

2010-11-09 Thread Nikolaos Giannopoulos

Ben,

That is great news!  I know the entire Stripes community appreciates 
your instrumental involvement in the 1.5.4 release.


When you get a chance can you please also close the following :-)
http://stripesframework.org/jira/browse/STS-779

Thanks Again,

--Nikolaos



Ben Gunter wrote:
It's available from Sourceforge now, and it should sync to Maven 
central soon. Here's a list of changes since 1.5.3:


http://stripesframework.org/jira/browse/STS?report=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project:changelog-panel

-Ben


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