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Sorry, when I said " making a clock", in my previous post, I meant "making a sundial". Michael Ossipoff On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:17 PM Michael Ossipoff wrote: > Another thing: If your clock is giving time that's an hour ahead ofTrue > Local Solar Time (French Hours), then, to get clock time, you still have to > add he equation-of-time. Looking that up is more work than just adding an > hour. So no significant clock-time-ease is gained by making your dial an > hour ahead of LTST. > > (Unless you're really going all-out, and making a clock that automatically > deals with Eq.T, and reads directly in Standard Time or DST--But, as I > said, why do it???.) > > Michael Ossipoff > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:09 PM Michael Ossipoff > wrote: > >> >> One more thing: In the U.S., the time-zone boundaries usually or at least >> nearly always follow state boundaries. That results in some extremes that >> result in people being out unnecessarily in the dark. So, instead, the >> time-zone boundaries should be meridians. The intended time-zone >> middle-meridians would be the middle-meridians, and the boundaries would be >> the meridians 7.5 degrees east and west of that middle-meridian. >> >> In the U.S., the middle-meridians should and would be 75, 90, 105, and >> 120 west longitude. >> >> Europe, too, would surely benefit from meridians instead of >> country-boundaries as time-zone boundaries. >> >> Oh, and just one more thing: >> >> Why would you want a sundial to tell clock-time??? >> >> If you want clock-time, put up a clock. >> >> Sundials give a time that a clock doesn't give: Local True Solar Time. >> LTST is of interest. ...aesthetic and practical. More meaningful in every >> way, in fact, other than business and other interpersonal affairs, for >> which Standard-Time is convenient. >> >> Of course LTST is also called French Houirs. >> >> If you want a sundial to tell other kinds of time, Babylonian hours &/or >> Co-Italian hours are of interest, for their own sake, in addition to having >> practical relevance. >> >> Michael Ossipoff >> >> Michael Ossipoff >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:21 AM Douglas Bateman via sundial < >> sundial@uni-koeln.de> wrote: >> >>> Diese Nachricht wurde eingewickelt um DMARC-kompatibel zu sein. Die >>> eigentliche Nachricht steht dadurch in einem Anhang. >>> >>> This message was wrapped to be DMARC compliant. The actual message >>> text is therefore in an attachment. >>> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: Douglas Bateman >>> To: Steve Lelievre >>> Cc: Sundial list >>> Bcc: >>> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 15:21:02 +0100 >>> Subject: Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time >>> Steve, >>> >>> Looking at the report, the headline should surely read EU backs >>> *permanent* daylight saving time. >>> >>> The term daylight saving could then be dropped. >>> >>> During these debates and arguments many forget to ask the question (as >>> Brian hints) as to why DST and Double DST was introduced in WW1 and WW2. >>> >>> Regards, Doug >>> >>> On 31 Aug 2018, at 14:37, Steve Lelievre < >>> steve.lelievre.can...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> One of the annoying parts of sundial design is having to decide whether >>> to accommodate Daylight Savings Time or not, so I'm pleased to hear that >>> the EU Commission is proposing to do away with it. See BBC's report at >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45366390 >>> >>> I hope they go through with it, and non-EU countries follow their lead. >>> >>> In Canada we even have the ridiculous situation that some locales use >>> DST and some do not, even within the same province. Madness! >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> --- >>> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial >>> >>> >>> --- >>> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial >>> >>> --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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Another thing: If your clock is giving time that's an hour ahead ofTrue Local Solar Time (French Hours), then, to get clock time, you still have to add he equation-of-time. Looking that up is more work than just adding an hour. So no significant clock-time-ease is gained by making your dial an hour ahead of LTST. (Unless you're really going all-out, and making a clock that automatically deals with Eq.T, and reads directly in Standard Time or DST--But, as I said, why do it???.) Michael Ossipoff On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:09 PM Michael Ossipoff wrote: > > One more thing: In the U.S., the time-zone boundaries usually or at least > nearly always follow state boundaries. That results in some extremes that > result in people being out unnecessarily in the dark. So, instead, the > time-zone boundaries should be meridians. The intended time-zone > middle-meridians would be the middle-meridians, and the boundaries would be > the meridians 7.5 degrees east and west of that middle-meridian. > > In the U.S., the middle-meridians should and would be 75, 90, 105, and 120 > west longitude. > > Europe, too, would surely benefit from meridians instead of > country-boundaries as time-zone boundaries. > > Oh, and just one more thing: > > Why would you want a sundial to tell clock-time??? > > If you want clock-time, put up a clock. > > Sundials give a time that a clock doesn't give: Local True Solar Time. > LTST is of interest. ...aesthetic and practical. More meaningful in every > way, in fact, other than business and other interpersonal affairs, for > which Standard-Time is convenient. > > Of course LTST is also called French Houirs. > > If you want a sundial to tell other kinds of time, Babylonian hours &/or > Co-Italian hours are of interest, for their own sake, in addition to having > practical relevance. > > Michael Ossipoff > > Michael Ossipoff > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:21 AM Douglas Bateman via sundial < > sundial@uni-koeln.de> wrote: > >> Diese Nachricht wurde eingewickelt um DMARC-kompatibel zu sein. Die >> eigentliche Nachricht steht dadurch in einem Anhang. >> >> This message was wrapped to be DMARC compliant. The actual message >> text is therefore in an attachment. >> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Douglas Bateman >> To: Steve Lelievre >> Cc: Sundial list >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 15:21:02 +0100 >> Subject: Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time >> Steve, >> >> Looking at the report, the headline should surely read EU backs >> *permanent* daylight saving time. >> >> The term daylight saving could then be dropped. >> >> During these debates and arguments many forget to ask the question (as >> Brian hints) as to why DST and Double DST was introduced in WW1 and WW2. >> >> Regards, Doug >> >> On 31 Aug 2018, at 14:37, Steve Lelievre >> wrote: >> >> >> One of the annoying parts of sundial design is having to decide whether >> to accommodate Daylight Savings Time or not, so I'm pleased to hear that >> the EU Commission is proposing to do away with it. See BBC's report at >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45366390 >> >> I hope they go through with it, and non-EU countries follow their lead. >> >> In Canada we even have the ridiculous situation that some locales use DST >> and some do not, even within the same province. Madness! >> >> Steve >> >> >> --- >> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial >> >> >> --- >> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial >> >> --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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One more thing: In the U.S., the time-zone boundaries usually or at least nearly always follow state boundaries. That results in some extremes that result in people being out unnecessarily in the dark. So, instead, the time-zone boundaries should be meridians. The intended time-zone middle-meridians would be the middle-meridians, and the boundaries would be the meridians 7.5 degrees east and west of that middle-meridian. In the U.S., the middle-meridians should and would be 75, 90, 105, and 120 west longitude. Europe, too, would surely benefit from meridians instead of country-boundaries as time-zone boundaries. Oh, and just one more thing: Why would you want a sundial to tell clock-time??? If you want clock-time, put up a clock. Sundials give a time that a clock doesn't give: Local True Solar Time. LTST is of interest. ...aesthetic and practical. More meaningful in every way, in fact, other than business and other interpersonal affairs, for which Standard-Time is convenient. Of course LTST is also called French Houirs. If you want a sundial to tell other kinds of time, Babylonian hours &/or Co-Italian hours are of interest, for their own sake, in addition to having practical relevance. Michael Ossipoff Michael Ossipoff On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:21 AM Douglas Bateman via sundial < sundial@uni-koeln.de> wrote: > Diese Nachricht wurde eingewickelt um DMARC-kompatibel zu sein. Die > eigentliche Nachricht steht dadurch in einem Anhang. > > This message was wrapped to be DMARC compliant. The actual message > text is therefore in an attachment. > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Douglas Bateman > To: Steve Lelievre > Cc: Sundial list > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 15:21:02 +0100 > Subject: Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time > Steve, > > Looking at the report, the headline should surely read EU backs > *permanent* daylight saving time. > > The term daylight saving could then be dropped. > > During these debates and arguments many forget to ask the question (as > Brian hints) as to why DST and Double DST was introduced in WW1 and WW2. > > Regards, Doug > > On 31 Aug 2018, at 14:37, Steve Lelievre > wrote: > > > One of the annoying parts of sundial design is having to decide whether to > accommodate Daylight Savings Time or not, so I'm pleased to hear that the > EU Commission is proposing to do away with it. See BBC's report at > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45366390 > > I hope they go through with it, and non-EU countries follow their lead. > > In Canada we even have the ridiculous situation that some locales use DST > and some do not, even within the same province. Madness! > > Steve > > > --- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > > --- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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The article didn't say it would be Summer-Time (Daylight-Saving Time) all year, though the title seemed to imply that. The article said that it would be Summer-Time all year, or else Winter-Time all year. And it said that Summer-Time all year is more popular and will probably happen in most countries (Each country will be able to choose for itself whether to have all-year Summer-Time or all-year Winter-Time.) All year Daylight-Saving Time (Summer-Time) would be a great idea. In Europe, and also in the U.S. 1. Keeping the clocks on DST would put our civil schedules more in time with nature's time. ...more with the Sun. Artificial lighting has moved us away from Sun time, and DST at least partly moves us back to what's more natural. And being more in time with the Sun also means that there are more hours of sunshine while people are up and out and about. 2, Earlier is better. 3. Being out when it's dark is a lot safer in the morning than in the evening. Less traffic. Fewer muggers and assaulters on the street. (Mostly, in the morning, you encounter only people who get up early, not people who stay up and hang-out late.) Michael Ossipoff On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:21 AM Douglas Bateman via sundial < sundial@uni-koeln.de> wrote: > Diese Nachricht wurde eingewickelt um DMARC-kompatibel zu sein. Die > eigentliche Nachricht steht dadurch in einem Anhang. > > This message was wrapped to be DMARC compliant. The actual message > text is therefore in an attachment. > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Douglas Bateman > To: Steve Lelievre > Cc: Sundial list > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 15:21:02 +0100 > Subject: Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time > Steve, > > Looking at the report, the headline should surely read EU backs > *permanent* daylight saving time. > > The term daylight saving could then be dropped. > > During these debates and arguments many forget to ask the question (as > Brian hints) as to why DST and Double DST was introduced in WW1 and WW2. > > Regards, Doug > > On 31 Aug 2018, at 14:37, Steve Lelievre > wrote: > > > One of the annoying parts of sundial design is having to decide whether to > accommodate Daylight Savings Time or not, so I'm pleased to hear that the > EU Commission is proposing to do away with it. See BBC's report at > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45366390 > > I hope they go through with it, and non-EU countries follow their lead. > > In Canada we even have the ridiculous situation that some locales use DST > and some do not, even within the same province. Madness! > > Steve > > > --- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > > --- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time
In Paris, and I believe all of France, lunchtime is always at 1:00 PM. Solar moon (more or less). Jack -Original Message- From: sundial On Behalf Of Frank King Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:32 AM To: Steve Lelievre Cc: Sundial List Subject: Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time Dear Steve, Your subject line is ambiguous... EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time Does this mean: A: The EU wants to give up DST? or: B: The EU wants DST not to end? The report suggests the latter: Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said millions "believe that in future, summer time should be year-round, and that's what will happen". If you look at the Greenwich meridian you will see that it has a longer run through France than through the U.K. This suggests, to me(!), that both countries should be on GMT. As it happens, France was on GMT until the Germans inflicted Nazi time on them during the war and they have never switched back. In my book, France is already on Summer Time in Winter. It is on Double Summer Time in Summer. OK, here is an anecdote... I stayed on an extra day after the NASS conference and, at breakfast on the Monday, I had a fascinating exchange with the friendly waitress who had served me for the better part of a week: Waitress: were you with the Shengal Group? Me: Er, the what group? W: Ah, how do you pronounce it? The delegates who were in the Forbes Room? Me: Oh, that was the sundial group. W: Is that a branch of Scientology? Me: I know very little about Scientology but I don't think there were any Scientologists in the Sundial group. W: What did you discuss? Me: [Using knife as a gnomon and attempting to appear as unthreatening as possible!] You see this shadow on the table? Well you can watch it move round and deduce the time of day. W: Ah. It's to do with the SUN then? Me: Yes, you've got it! W: What do you think of Daylight Saving Time? Me: [I recounted the story of the Native American who said "Only a white man could believe that by cutting a foot off one end of a blanket and stitching it to the other end you get a longer blanket.] W: Gee. I like that. My husband is a pilot and he keeps telling everyone that Daylight Saving Time is a load of Bullshit. Me: You have an admirable husband. My guess is that, in the UK, about 60% of the population would feel they have come across the word "sundial" though most would think it was just a garden ornament: some kind of statue, or bird bath or even a garden gnomn! With this sample of one, I am minded to guess that the U.S. percentage is lower! We must all do our bit to educate the masses! Very best wishes Frank Frank H. King Cambridge, U.K. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time
A little off-topic, but I note that there seems to be disagreement within the sundial community on whether sundials should indicate local solar time or be adjusted for their time zone. My own sundials so far are little more than "scratch" ones, but I did adjust them for time zone as suggested by Albert Waugh in his book "Sundials: Their Theory And Construction" (mean solar noon at my location is at 12:32 PM Hawaii Standard Time). Some posters here though are adamant that sundials should only indicate solar time! Nathaniel ShippenWaipahu, Hawaii Sent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone Original message From: Willy Leenders Date: 8/31/18 8:59 AM (GMT-10:00) To: Willy Leenders Cc: Sundial List Subject: Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time An annoying typing error 'real moon' must be 'real noon' Willy Leenders Op 31-aug-2018, om 20:01 heeft Willy Leenders het volgende geschreven: When commission president Jean-Claude Juncker gets right, the entire mainland of Western Europe (except Portugal) gets throughout the whole year Daylight Saving Time (the meaning of mainly the Germans because the other Europeans hardly participated in the referendum which is not representative at all). Then in February in the western part of Spain (Santiago of Compostela) it will be real rnoon (the sun in the south) almost at 3 o'clock p.m. clock time. A mockery of the natural rhythm of life . Sundial experts could offer a counterweight to that idiocy, but many do the opposite by designing sundials that do not indicate the true local time but the unnatural clock time. Willy Leenders Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) Visit my website about the sundials in the province of Limburg (Flanders) with a section 'worth knowing about sundials' (mostly in Dutch): http://www.wijzerweb.be Op 31-aug-2018, om 16:31 heeft Frank King het volgende geschreven: Dear Steve, Your subject line is ambiguous... EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time Does this mean: A: The EU wants to give up DST? or: B: The EU wants DST not to end? The report suggests the latter: Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said millions "believe that in future, summer time should be year-round, and that's what will happen". If you look at the Greenwich meridian you will see that it has a longer run through France than through the U.K. This suggests, to me(!), that both countries should be on GMT. As it happens, France was on GMT until the Germans inflicted Nazi time on them during the war and they have never switched back. In my book, France is already on Summer Time in Winter. It is on Double Summer Time in Summer. OK, here is an anecdote... I stayed on an extra day after the NASS conference and, at breakfast on the Monday, I had a fascinating exchange with the friendly waitress who had served me for the better part of a week: Waitress: were you with the Shengal Group? Me: Er, the what group? W: Ah, how do you pronounce it? The delegates who were in the Forbes Room? Me: Oh, that was the sundial group. W: Is that a branch of Scientology? Me: I know very little about Scientology but I don't think there were any Scientologists in the Sundial group. W: What did you discuss? Me: [Using knife as a gnomon and attempting to appear as unthreatening as possible!] You see this shadow on the table? Well you can watch it move round and deduce the time of day. W: Ah. It's to do with the SUN then? Me: Yes, you've got it! W: What do you think of Daylight Saving Time? Me: [I recounted the story of the Native American who said "Only a white man could believe that by cutting a foot off one end of a blanket and stitching it to the other end you get a longer blanket.] W: Gee. I like that. My husband is a pilot and he keeps telling everyone that Daylight Saving Time is a load of Bullshit. Me: You have an admirable husband. My guess is that, in the UK, about 60% of the population would feel they have come across the word "sundial" though most would think it was just a garden ornament: some kind of statue, or bird bath or even a garden gnomn! With this sample of one, I am minded to guess that the U.S. percentage is lower! We must all do our bit to educate the masses! Very best wishes Frank Frank H. King Cambridge, U.K. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time
An annoying typing error 'real moon' must be 'real noon' Willy Leenders Op 31-aug-2018, om 20:01 heeft Willy Leenders het volgende geschreven: > When commission president Jean-Claude Juncker gets right, the entire mainland > of Western Europe (except Portugal) gets throughout the whole year Daylight > Saving Time (the meaning of mainly the Germans because the other Europeans > hardly participated in the referendum which is not representative at all). > Then in February in the western part of Spain (Santiago of Compostela) it > will be real rnoon (the sun in the south) almost at 3 o'clock p.m. clock > time. A mockery of the natural rhythm of life . > Sundial experts could offer a counterweight to that idiocy, but many do the > opposite by designing sundials that do not indicate the true local time but > the unnatural clock time. > > Willy Leenders > Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) > > Visit my website about the sundials in the province of Limburg (Flanders) > with a section 'worth knowing about sundials' (mostly in Dutch): > http://www.wijzerweb.be > > > > Op 31-aug-2018, om 16:31 heeft Frank King het volgende geschreven: > >> Dear Steve, >> >> Your subject line is ambiguous... >> >> EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time >> >> Does this mean: >> >> A: The EU wants to give up DST? >> >> or: >> >> B: The EU wants DST not to end? >> >> The report suggests the latter: >> >> Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker >> said millions "believe that in future, >> summer time should be year-round, and >> that's what will happen". >> >> If you look at the Greenwich meridian >> you will see that it has a longer run >> through France than through the U.K. >> >> This suggests, to me(!), that both >> countries should be on GMT. >> >> As it happens, France was on GMT until >> the Germans inflicted Nazi time on them >> during the war and they have never >> switched back. >> >> In my book, France is already >> on Summer Time in Winter. It is >> on Double Summer Time in Summer. >> >> OK, here is an anecdote... >> >> I stayed on an extra day after the >> NASS conference and, at breakfast >> on the Monday, I had a fascinating >> exchange with the friendly waitress >> who had served me for the better >> part of a week: >> >> Waitress: were you with the >> Shengal Group? >> >> Me: Er, the what group? >> >> W: Ah, how do you pronounce it? >> The delegates who were in the >> Forbes Room? >> >> Me: Oh, that was the sundial >> group. >> >> W: Is that a branch of >> Scientology? >> >> Me: I know very little about >> Scientology but I don't think >> there were any Scientologists >> in the Sundial group. >> >> W: What did you discuss? >> >> Me: [Using knife as a gnomon >> and attempting to appear as >> unthreatening as possible!] >> You see this shadow on the >> table? Well you can watch >> it move round and deduce the >> time of day. >> >> W: Ah. It's to do with the >> SUN then? >> >> Me: Yes, you've got it! >> >> W: What do you think of >> Daylight Saving Time? >> >> Me: [I recounted the story >> of the Native American who >> said "Only a white man could >> believe that by cutting a >> foot off one end of a blanket >> and stitching it to the other >> end you get a longer blanket.] >> >> W: Gee. I like that. My >> husband is a pilot and he >> keeps telling everyone that >> Daylight Saving Time is a >> load of Bullshit. >> >> Me: You have an admirable >> husband. >> >> My guess is that, in the UK, about >> 60% of the population would feel >> they have come across the word >> "sundial" though most would think >> it was just a garden ornament: >> some kind of statue, or bird bath >> or even a garden gnomn! >> >> With this sample of one, I am >> minded to guess that the U.S. >> percentage is lower! >> >> We must all do our bit to educate >> the masses! >> >> Very best wishes >> >> Frank >> >> Frank H. King >> Cambridge, U.K. >> >> --- >> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial >> > > > --- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time
When commission president Jean-Claude Juncker gets right, the entire mainland of Western Europe (except Portugal) gets throughout the whole year Daylight Saving Time (the meaning of mainly the Germans because the other Europeans hardly participated in the referendum which is not representative at all). Then in February in the western part of Spain (Santiago of Compostela) it will be real rnoon (the sun in the south) almost at 3 o'clock p.m. clock time. A mockery of the natural rhythm of life . Sundial experts could offer a counterweight to that idiocy, but many do the opposite by designing sundials that do not indicate the true local time but the unnatural clock time. Willy Leenders Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) Visit my website about the sundials in the province of Limburg (Flanders) with a section 'worth knowing about sundials' (mostly in Dutch): http://www.wijzerweb.be Op 31-aug-2018, om 16:31 heeft Frank King het volgende geschreven: > Dear Steve, > > Your subject line is ambiguous... > > EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time > > Does this mean: > > A: The EU wants to give up DST? > > or: > > B: The EU wants DST not to end? > > The report suggests the latter: > > Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker > said millions "believe that in future, > summer time should be year-round, and > that's what will happen". > > If you look at the Greenwich meridian > you will see that it has a longer run > through France than through the U.K. > > This suggests, to me(!), that both > countries should be on GMT. > > As it happens, France was on GMT until > the Germans inflicted Nazi time on them > during the war and they have never > switched back. > > In my book, France is already > on Summer Time in Winter. It is > on Double Summer Time in Summer. > > OK, here is an anecdote... > > I stayed on an extra day after the > NASS conference and, at breakfast > on the Monday, I had a fascinating > exchange with the friendly waitress > who had served me for the better > part of a week: > > Waitress: were you with the > Shengal Group? > > Me: Er, the what group? > > W: Ah, how do you pronounce it? > The delegates who were in the > Forbes Room? > > Me: Oh, that was the sundial > group. > > W: Is that a branch of > Scientology? > > Me: I know very little about > Scientology but I don't think > there were any Scientologists > in the Sundial group. > > W: What did you discuss? > > Me: [Using knife as a gnomon > and attempting to appear as > unthreatening as possible!] > You see this shadow on the > table? Well you can watch > it move round and deduce the > time of day. > > W: Ah. It's to do with the > SUN then? > > Me: Yes, you've got it! > > W: What do you think of > Daylight Saving Time? > > Me: [I recounted the story > of the Native American who > said "Only a white man could > believe that by cutting a > foot off one end of a blanket > and stitching it to the other > end you get a longer blanket.] > > W: Gee. I like that. My > husband is a pilot and he > keeps telling everyone that > Daylight Saving Time is a > load of Bullshit. > > Me: You have an admirable > husband. > > My guess is that, in the UK, about > 60% of the population would feel > they have come across the word > "sundial" though most would think > it was just a garden ornament: > some kind of statue, or bird bath > or even a garden gnomn! > > With this sample of one, I am > minded to guess that the U.S. > percentage is lower! > > We must all do our bit to educate > the masses! > > Very best wishes > > Frank > > Frank H. King > Cambridge, U.K. > > --- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time
Jim, Surely it's not DST all year round - it would just be the adoption of Atlantic Standard Time Like Canada's wonderful Maritime Provinces, but warmer. Steve On 2018-08-31 6:47 AM, J. Tallman wrote: Florida recently passed a measure that, if approved by the US Congress, would put the state on DST all year round! --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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The history is well summarised here http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160310-the-builder-who-changed-how-the-world-keeps-time From: Douglas Bateman via sundial Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 4:40 PM To: Frank King Cc: Sundial list Diese Nachricht wurde eingewickelt um DMARC-kompatibel zu sein. Die eigentliche Nachricht steht dadurch in einem Anhang. This message was wrapped to be DMARC compliant. The actual message text is therefore in an attachment. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time
On 2018-08-31 7:31 AM, Frank King wrote: Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said millions "believe that in future, summer time should be year-round, and that's what will happen". I'm sure the Daily Mail will run a headline mocking the "EU bureaucracy" for suggesting that they can make summer last all year long. If you look at the Greenwich meridian you will see that it has a longer run through France than through the U.K. This suggests, to me(!), that both countries should be on GMT. Ah, but to me it suggests that the prime meridian should have been Paris, not Greenwich. All of Western Europe could then have had just one timezone! Steve --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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Diese Nachricht wurde eingewickelt um DMARC-kompatibel zu sein. Die eigentliche Nachricht steht dadurch in einem Anhang. This message was wrapped to be DMARC compliant. The actual message text is therefore in an attachment.--- Begin Message --- Dear Frank, Your story about the blanket, won’t wash, if you will pardon the pun. Moving of part of the blanket to the other end has altered the primary reference point in the carpet, the centreline (parallel to the cut end) has been displaced. You will appreciate the equivalence to meridian lines. Secondly, I still await your explanation as to why DST was introduced in the first place, over a hundred years ago. Regards, Doug > On 31 Aug 2018, at 15:31, Frank King wrote: > > Dear Steve, > > Your subject line is ambiguous... > > EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time > > Does this mean: > > A: The EU wants to give up DST? > > or: > > B: The EU wants DST not to end? > > The report suggests the latter: > > Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker > said millions "believe that in future, > summer time should be year-round, and > that's what will happen". > > If you look at the Greenwich meridian > you will see that it has a longer run > through France than through the U.K. > > This suggests, to me(!), that both > countries should be on GMT. > > As it happens, France was on GMT until > the Germans inflicted Nazi time on them > during the war and they have never > switched back. > > In my book, France is already > on Summer Time in Winter. It is > on Double Summer Time in Summer. > > OK, here is an anecdote... > > I stayed on an extra day after the > NASS conference and, at breakfast > on the Monday, I had a fascinating > exchange with the friendly waitress > who had served me for the better > part of a week: > > Waitress: were you with the > Shengal Group? > > Me: Er, the what group? > > W: Ah, how do you pronounce it? > The delegates who were in the > Forbes Room? > > Me: Oh, that was the sundial > group. > > W: Is that a branch of > Scientology? > > Me: I know very little about > Scientology but I don't think > there were any Scientologists > in the Sundial group. > > W: What did you discuss? > > Me: [Using knife as a gnomon > and attempting to appear as > unthreatening as possible!] > You see this shadow on the > table? Well you can watch > it move round and deduce the > time of day. > > W: Ah. It's to do with the > SUN then? > > Me: Yes, you've got it! > > W: What do you think of > Daylight Saving Time? > > Me: [I recounted the story > of the Native American who > said "Only a white man could > believe that by cutting a > foot off one end of a blanket > and stitching it to the other > end you get a longer blanket.] > > W: Gee. I like that. My > husband is a pilot and he > keeps telling everyone that > Daylight Saving Time is a > load of Bullshit. > > Me: You have an admirable > husband. > > My guess is that, in the UK, about > 60% of the population would feel > they have come across the word > "sundial" though most would think > it was just a garden ornament: > some kind of statue, or bird bath > or even a garden gnomn! > > With this sample of one, I am > minded to guess that the U.S. > percentage is lower! > > We must all do our bit to educate > the masses! > > Very best wishes > > Frank > > Frank H. King > Cambridge, U.K. > > --- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > --- End Message --- --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time
I wish we could "like" this short story ! Eric Daled Aalst (Belgium) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Frank King Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 4:31 PM To: Steve Lelievre Cc: Sundial List Subject: Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time Dear Steve, Your subject line is ambiguous... EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time Does this mean: A: The EU wants to give up DST? or: B: The EU wants DST not to end? The report suggests the latter: Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said millions "believe that in future, summer time should be year-round, and that's what will happen". If you look at the Greenwich meridian you will see that it has a longer run through France than through the U.K. This suggests, to me(!), that both countries should be on GMT. As it happens, France was on GMT until the Germans inflicted Nazi time on them during the war and they have never switched back. In my book, France is already on Summer Time in Winter. It is on Double Summer Time in Summer. OK, here is an anecdote... I stayed on an extra day after the NASS conference and, at breakfast on the Monday, I had a fascinating exchange with the friendly waitress who had served me for the better part of a week: Waitress: were you with the Shengal Group? Me: Er, the what group? W: Ah, how do you pronounce it? The delegates who were in the Forbes Room? Me: Oh, that was the sundial group. W: Is that a branch of Scientology? Me: I know very little about Scientology but I don't think there were any Scientologists in the Sundial group. W: What did you discuss? Me: [Using knife as a gnomon and attempting to appear as unthreatening as possible!] You see this shadow on the table? Well you can watch it move round and deduce the time of day. W: Ah. It's to do with the SUN then? Me: Yes, you've got it! W: What do you think of Daylight Saving Time? Me: [I recounted the story of the Native American who said "Only a white man could believe that by cutting a foot off one end of a blanket and stitching it to the other end you get a longer blanket.] W: Gee. I like that. My husband is a pilot and he keeps telling everyone that Daylight Saving Time is a load of Bullshit. Me: You have an admirable husband. My guess is that, in the UK, about 60% of the population would feel they have come across the word "sundial" though most would think it was just a garden ornament: some kind of statue, or bird bath or even a garden gnomn! With this sample of one, I am minded to guess that the U.S. percentage is lower! We must all do our bit to educate the masses! Very best wishes Frank Frank H. King Cambridge, U.K. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time
Dear Steve, Your subject line is ambiguous... EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time Does this mean: A: The EU wants to give up DST? or: B: The EU wants DST not to end? The report suggests the latter: Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said millions "believe that in future, summer time should be year-round, and that's what will happen". If you look at the Greenwich meridian you will see that it has a longer run through France than through the U.K. This suggests, to me(!), that both countries should be on GMT. As it happens, France was on GMT until the Germans inflicted Nazi time on them during the war and they have never switched back. In my book, France is already on Summer Time in Winter. It is on Double Summer Time in Summer. OK, here is an anecdote... I stayed on an extra day after the NASS conference and, at breakfast on the Monday, I had a fascinating exchange with the friendly waitress who had served me for the better part of a week: Waitress: were you with the Shengal Group? Me: Er, the what group? W: Ah, how do you pronounce it? The delegates who were in the Forbes Room? Me: Oh, that was the sundial group. W: Is that a branch of Scientology? Me: I know very little about Scientology but I don't think there were any Scientologists in the Sundial group. W: What did you discuss? Me: [Using knife as a gnomon and attempting to appear as unthreatening as possible!] You see this shadow on the table? Well you can watch it move round and deduce the time of day. W: Ah. It's to do with the SUN then? Me: Yes, you've got it! W: What do you think of Daylight Saving Time? Me: [I recounted the story of the Native American who said "Only a white man could believe that by cutting a foot off one end of a blanket and stitching it to the other end you get a longer blanket.] W: Gee. I like that. My husband is a pilot and he keeps telling everyone that Daylight Saving Time is a load of Bullshit. Me: You have an admirable husband. My guess is that, in the UK, about 60% of the population would feel they have come across the word "sundial" though most would think it was just a garden ornament: some kind of statue, or bird bath or even a garden gnomn! With this sample of one, I am minded to guess that the U.S. percentage is lower! We must all do our bit to educate the masses! Very best wishes Frank Frank H. King Cambridge, U.K. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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Diese Nachricht wurde eingewickelt um DMARC-kompatibel zu sein. Die eigentliche Nachricht steht dadurch in einem Anhang. This message was wrapped to be DMARC compliant. The actual message text is therefore in an attachment.--- Begin Message --- Steve, Looking at the report, the headline should surely read EU backs permanent daylight saving time. The term daylight saving could then be dropped. During these debates and arguments many forget to ask the question (as Brian hints) as to why DST and Double DST was introduced in WW1 and WW2. Regards, Doug > On 31 Aug 2018, at 14:37, Steve Lelievre > wrote: > > > One of the annoying parts of sundial design is having to decide whether to > accommodate Daylight Savings Time or not, so I'm pleased to hear that the EU > Commission is proposing to do away with it. See BBC's report at > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45366390 > > I hope they go through with it, and non-EU countries follow their lead. > > In Canada we even have the ridiculous situation that some locales use DST and > some do not, even within the same province. Madness! > > Steve > > > --- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > --- End Message --- --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time
Steve Sorry for spelling errors Steve During World War 2 the UK and parts of Europe used Double Daylight Savings Time making sunset in June in Northern Scotland around 11pm On 8/31/2018 6:37 AM, Steve Lelievre wrote: One of the annoying parts of sundial design is having to decide whether to accommodate Daylight Savings Time or not, so I'm pleased to hear that the EU Commission is proposing to do away with it. See BBC's report at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45366390 I hope they go through with it, and non-EU countries follow their lead. In Canada we even have the ridiculous situation that some locales use DST and some do not, even within the same province. Madness! Steve --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time
Steve During World War 2 the UK and parts of Europe used Doule Daylight Savings Time making sunset in June in Northern Scoyland around 11pm Brian Albinson On 8/31/2018 6:37 AM, Steve Lelievre wrote: One of the annoying parts of sundial design is having to decide whether to accommodate Daylight Savings Time or not, so I'm pleased to hear that the EU Commission is proposing to do away with it. See BBC's report at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45366390 I hope they go through with it, and non-EU countries follow their lead. In Canada we even have the ridiculous situation that some locales use DST and some do not, even within the same province. Madness! Steve --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time
Hello Steve, Florida recently passed a measure that, if approved by the US Congress, would put the state on DST all year round! They want more daylight for the tourists in the winter time. I guess it's all depends on how you look at it. I try not to fret about it, except to do my best to keep up with the shifting policies when I make dials for those places! Best, Jim Tallman www.spectrasundial.com www.artisanindustrials.com jtall...@artisanindustrials.com 513-253-5497 This message is being sent remotely as I am currently out of the studio. Please excuse any further delay in response. On Aug 31, 2018, 9:38 AM, at 9:38 AM, Steve Lelievre wrote: > >One of the annoying parts of sundial design is having to decide whether > >to accommodate Daylight Savings Time or not, so I'm pleased to hear >that >the EU Commission is proposing to do away with it. See BBC's report at >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45366390 > >I hope they go through with it, and non-EU countries follow their lead. > >In Canada we even have the ridiculous situation that some locales use >DST and some do not, even within the same province. Madness! > >Steve > > >--- >https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time
One of the annoying parts of sundial design is having to decide whether to accommodate Daylight Savings Time or not, so I'm pleased to hear that the EU Commission is proposing to do away with it. See BBC's report at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45366390 I hope they go through with it, and non-EU countries follow their lead. In Canada we even have the ridiculous situation that some locales use DST and some do not, even within the same province. Madness! Steve --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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