[freenet-support] What is this consequitive same winner thing?
Recently I started getting Consecutive same winner messages in my event log. It mostly happens when I try to download something big (around 700mb). Any hint what could this mean? I am getting this a couple of times before I can actually download something - the last time I restarted the node a couple of times because of that. I am on 5100. Thanks! 20:43:12Consecutive same winner: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: timeToSendWindow=0, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DSA(eb01 6b76 960c 5ad0 48e7 a0ba eadf ae58 3cbb 6803),tcp/67.40.155.110:11558, sessions=1, presentations=3, ID=DSA(eb01 6b76 960c 5ad0 48e7 a0ba eadf ae58 3cbb 6803), version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.51,5100): outbound attempts=0:10/10 on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: id=d52f1053e9c317fa, expiresAt=1102048993484 (797 ms), [EMAIL PROTECTED] DataRequest @null @ d52f1053e9c317fa, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@d52f1053e9c317fa,true@ -1:1102048990484:false:null:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DataRequest @null @ d52f1053e9c317fa, sendTimeout=17720, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (aff20ec5d1484be5c8f8e2ed0582ae05550622fb0f0203,request), EstimateList=freenet.node.rt.ForgettingEstimateList: length=393, at=0, noConnCount=0, backedOffCount=22 22 times ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?
Ditto. On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:26:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00), vinyl1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Dec 2, 2004 12:07 PM > To: Newsbyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow? > > Motion to ban as a troll? > > Opposed. Free speech for all, even soreheads. Call it vigorous debate. > > Actually, quite a bit of useful information for those who haven't followed > the details that closely came out in this exchange. Matthew defends his > position quite well. > > Of course, the speech issue is entirely separate from whether you want to > give any particular person access to any particular server. > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- "I might not like what you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it!" ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
> > Thanks for your answers, all in all I'm happy now with the performance of > > Freenet, I've given it 6GB to store data and it already uses 1.5GB. > > Woah. You're happy with the performance of freenet? This cannot happen, > it doesn't make sense, it's against all Newsbyte's assertions, the sky > is falling... :) > -- He can't be on anything below DSL or he is happy on a Commodore. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Startup
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 12:00:09AM +, Scoobae wrote: > Well, > > I'm a novice to freenet upon installing the software Fred is up and running > I invoke open gateway and everything seems to be operational with exception > to the initial thumb pages do not load nor any other addresses. Leave it for 24-48 hours. I assume you are on broadband, and are not behind a NAT/firewall/router, or that you have forwarded the listenPort? How many open connections do you see (Web Interface -> Advanced mode -> Open Connections), and what build are you running (Web Interface)? It should be a lot more usable after it's had some time to learn where stuff is; it may take a while for it to become fully usable. You may want to install Frost - http://jtcfrost.sf.net/ > > What do I need a key? No, the 5 sites linked from the main page should load eventually. One way to help is to open them all in tabs (or windows) in the browser, and let them automatically refresh for a while. > > how do I verify my installation is correct? > > Help can scrappy save the Scoob! > > Scrub -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet Startup
Well, I'm a novice to freenet upon installing the software Fred is up and running I invoke open gateway and everything seems to be operational with exception to the initial thumb pages do not load nor any other addresses. What do I need a key? how do I verify my installation is correct? Help can scrappy save the Scoob! Scrub ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: emperical evidence for what I say
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 11:45:45PM +0100, Newsbyte wrote: > "As long as we've agreed to continue this silliness, just what is your > current position? That you should get your freenet.org e-mail address back > because freenet sucks?" > > If we follow the argument of toad, who says it is correct that my > emailaccount was deleted, because I wasn't helpful and was trolling, and > since I've demonstrated that what I said was not trolling, but the actual > truth, logic dictates that it should be restored, yes. It was unhelpful. Look: - Freenet's performance sucks a lot worse when the node is first created. - You tell a newbie that freenet sucks - He will assume that freenet's suckish performance is what he sees now, and of course he will uninstall it. - If you have an @freenetproject.org address, this advice is going to be a lot more credible. If you can't see the problem here, then I'm tempted to add you to my ignore list just as Ian already has. > > But ofcourse, with all the ego's flying around, there is little chance of > that, I think. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: emperical evidence for what I say
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:11:26PM -0600, John McCain wrote: > +++ Newsbyte [02/12/04 22:26 +0100]: > >freenet sucks, etc. > (paraphrased) > > As long as we've agreed to continue this silliness, just what is your current > position? That you should get your freenet.org e-mail address back because > freenet sucks? LOL. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 09:05:05PM +0100, Newsbyte wrote: > "Saying "freenet sucks, it's gotten worse, it'll never get better", and > implying that this is because of the people building it, is not helpful. > Saying and implying it to newbies when we are particularly vulnerable > due to our slow initial performance due to freenet taking a while to > learn where stuff is is particularly unhelpful, and not compatible with > being allowed to represent the project by having an @freenetproject.org > address." > > That's bull. You have to know what you want. Ian says (on the lists) it's > because I don't use it anymore, you say it's because I promote I2P to the > detriment of Freenet, and now says it's because I say to newbies that it > sucks. There can be more than one reason. > > First of all, I never said freenet should be abandonned; I say it should be > revamped to work with the underlying I2P framework. What you would suggest is more or less the same thing as abandoning Freenet. You would have us build something totally different. It might be simpler, it might work better, it would certainly have different attacks and it'd be based on fundamentally different principles. And it'd be largely new code. > How is this, in any way, > to the detriment of Freenet? On the contrary, I believe it would save > Freenet. Such extreme measures might conceivably conform with our ideological objectives but they are so far away from our technical architecture as to be a full rewrite not only of all the code and microarchitecture but the protocol as well, the routing algorithm, and all the fundamentals. It would no longer be Freenet. It might be necessary to start again, but that has not yet been proven to my satisfaction, as I detail in another mail. > And Freenet *does* suck, you said so much yourself. Certainly, you > also claim it's a lot better, but I haven't seen any proof of that yet, and > I'm speaking in end-user terms, not in the amount of new code being put in. So am I. I have heard from many users that it is better than it was. And I have heard from the newbie that it is working acceptably performance wise. And on my own node I rarely see RNFs and can fetch a great deal of content. > In my experience, it's not working much better then the early 0.5 build, > before the network collapsed. You mean before we actually released 0.5? After it was released it was perpetually collapsed... > > Saying to newbies it works badly when it does, can hardly be a reason to > pull out the plug on the account. You can contest how much it really sucks, > but seen the complaints of newbies and my own experiences, it's not like > *your* own experiences are the sole measurement to determine that. And you > *do* acknowledge it doesn't really work well, at least in some aspects. We are going round and round in circles; I have made my case and it is not profitable to make it again. > > The truth is mentionned in the email I received from Ian, which is: he got > pissed off by the criticism I gave. All the rest is afterwards-re-excusing > things. The account is used for letting people ask me questions about > freenet and freenethelp; do you think it's fair that this is now being > deleted, as a childish punishment because of what I say? If you want to It is not a childish punishment. You cannot be trusted. > react, react with words, or ignore me, but actively doing an action that > supercedes free speech is going a lot further. You claim it was not helpful, Disallowing you an @freenetproject.org account is hardly restricting your freedom of speech! We are not obliged to accredit you, just as a university is not obliged to give a PhD to a pupil who cheats. We can give accounts to whomever it is in the interest of the project to give accounts to. Just as we can ban trolls from the IRC channel and even the mailing list; that's not a threat in this particular mail, nor is it a promise, but it is merely a relevant remark. > but the newbie in question finds it was, and I agree bringing the > expectations down to earth is FAR better then always claiming so > over-optimistically how improved things are. > This is not about me 'abusing' Freenet; I have put too much effort in it for > anyone to seriously suggest that; it's about you guys being pissed of by my > remarks that at least *I* (and I'm REALLY not the only one) feel are valid, > based on my own experiences and what I hear from noobs. You can disagree > with what I say, but it doesn't mean it's fair to put a burden on me and > other users, because you guys feel offended. What you are saying is "Freenet will never work unless it is rewritten from scratch based on completely different architectures, and its performance sucks". Given that newbie nodes always have much worse performance initially than after they have had time to integrate, if you can't see the likely cost of what you have said to the freenet project in terms of new users, then you are not competent to have an
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 07:41:27PM +, Clueless wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:35:48 +, Toad wrote: > > >That has generally been true of freenet in the past, unfortunately. We > >have made some progress, but nodes not working well for newbies is > >expected. > > That's OK, as long as the newbie knows what to expect. I think the site says > something about "a few hours", which hasn't quite been my experience... > Oh, and the default size of the data store should be increased. A lot. Yes, Ian always exaggerates for publicity. I'm not quite sure why as it seems to harm more than it gains us. > > >Heh. That's called an RNF. It stands for "Route Not Found". And no, you > >don't need FUQID to download files from freenet > > ...but it works much better than anything else I've tried. :-) I thought you didn't have it? :) > > >> The whole experience just isn't very newbie-friendly. > >Very probably. Anything that learns can't start up instantly. We've > >tried to improve it though, and maybe we can get a bit further with > >that. And of course, the overall network performance is a lot lower than > >it ought to be. > > It's not only performance. For example, the prominently featured "Freenet Help > Index" links to an old version of Frost, which is why I couldn't get it to > work > first. Not our problem, but maybe he's on the list. > > >Possibly. But if we distributed Frost, for example, then we get a lot > >closer to "filesharing", which may have legal ramifications - especially > >with Frost's current initial boards selection! > > You have a point there... > > Thanks for your answers, all in all I'm happy now with the performance of > Freenet, I've given it 6GB to store data and it already uses 1.5GB. Woah. You're happy with the performance of freenet? This cannot happen, it doesn't make sense, it's against all Newsbyte's assertions, the sky is falling... :) -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: emperical evidence for what I say
On Thursday 02 December 2004 05:45 pm, Newsbyte wrote: > "As long as we've agreed to continue this silliness, just what is your > current position? That you should get your freenet.org e-mail address > back because freenet sucks?" > > If we follow the argument of toad, who says it is correct that my > emailaccount was deleted, because I wasn't helpful and was trolling, and > since I've demonstrated that what I said was not trolling, but the actual > truth, logic dictates that it should be restored, yes. > > But ofcourse, with all the ego's flying around, there is little chance of > that, I think. [14:37] newsbyte: if you don't let the thread die im going to petition to have you banned from the lists [14:45] newsbyte: do you read me? I mean it; your comments on the Support list are *not* helpful in the least bit. I won't say you haven't contributed in the past, but the current flamewar on Support is totally inappropriate. This purpose of this list is to provide support to new users and give them a chance to answer each other's questions. You've been told in the past (by me as well) to use the mailing lists appropriately and you've ignored almost *every* request that subscribers to the list have made (of which you are not for your own reasons). As an advocate for the freenet project, I don't like seeing this garbage on a list intended to be user-friendly. -- Jay Oliveri GnuPG ID: 0x5AA5DD54 Freenet Project Developer http://sf.net/users/joliveri ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] emperical evidence for what I say
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:26:45 +0100, Newsbyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First thing: on the freenetpage is (or at least was) talk about a minimum > integrationperiod of a copple of hours; as an addition (at least on the > wiki), it is said that it takes about two days to be 'fully integrated'. I > have been running my node for about 28 hours now, though not non-stop with a > period of 18 hours and one of about 10. (I doubt most newbies can afford to > let their node run nonstop neither). By that token, my node should at least > be 'reasonably' integrated. My node has been active for about a week. Before that it was active for about 3 months, then the machine got rebooted. > My openconnections are: > > Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 41 (20/21/200) > Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 29 (20/9) > Data waiting to be transferred 3.780 Bytes > Total amount of data transferred 184 MiB > > Note that I do not have fantastic lines/ISPs/HD's/special seednodes etc.; I > only have an ordinary DSL on an ordinary computer. That seems a little low. When I ran it on my cable connection (256/128) it did nearly a gigabyte in 24 hours. I can't check on my current server because it's set to be a multi user system, so a lot of the applets are disabled. I don't have time to do a test with a new node now, but I can load the front page icons in around 10 minutes. I'm having some connectivity issues from here to my server at the moment though. If freenet wasn't such a resource hog I'd run another instance in a UML parition on that server just to see how quickly it can integrate. I would estimate 3-5 days based on the last time I started a new node. -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: emperical evidence for what I say
"As long as we've agreed to continue this silliness, just what is your current position? That you should get your freenet.org e-mail address back because freenet sucks?" If we follow the argument of toad, who says it is correct that my emailaccount was deleted, because I wasn't helpful and was trolling, and since I've demonstrated that what I said was not trolling, but the actual truth, logic dictates that it should be restored, yes. But ofcourse, with all the ego's flying around, there is little chance of that, I think. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: emperical evidence for what I say
+++ Newsbyte [02/12/04 22:26 +0100]: >freenet sucks, etc. (paraphrased) As long as we've agreed to continue this silliness, just what is your current position? That you should get your freenet.org e-mail address back because freenet sucks? pgp92PPuoObiV.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?
Hm? Seems like attempts to direct replies here are still in a state that keeps me confused. This was address to "Reply" and one additional address I considered not the list and it still went out on the list. Are there some directions for replying to a specific address? > [Original Message] > From: Nicholas Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: vinyl1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 12/2/2004 4:47:14 PM > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow? > > Actually I would not even want access to someone's server -- too much > responsibility. > But I've not been running a node for a while (system crash that was not > totally > destructive) and I don't want to risk a problem on this machine. I'm not > too > useful with dial-up anyway. Even just being here as a tester probably > doesn't > help much. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: vinyl1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 12/2/2004 2:27:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Dec 2, 2004 12:07 PM > > To: Newsbyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow? > > > > Motion to ban as a troll? > > > > Opposed. Free speech for all, even soreheads. Call it vigorous debate. > > > > Actually, quite a bit of useful information for those who haven't > followed the details that closely came out in this exchange. Matthew > defends his position quite well. > > > > Of course, the speech issue is entirely separate from whether you want to > give any particular person access to any particular server. > > > > > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?
Actually I would not even want access to someone's server -- too much responsibility. But I've not been running a node for a while (system crash that was not totally destructive) and I don't want to risk a problem on this machine. I'm not too useful with dial-up anyway. Even just being here as a tester probably doesn't help much. > [Original Message] > From: vinyl1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 12/2/2004 2:27:11 PM > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Dec 2, 2004 12:07 PM > To: Newsbyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow? > > Motion to ban as a troll? > > Opposed. Free speech for all, even soreheads. Call it vigorous debate. > > Actually, quite a bit of useful information for those who haven't followed the details that closely came out in this exchange. Matthew defends his position quite well. > > Of course, the speech issue is entirely separate from whether you want to give any particular person access to any particular server. > > > ___ > Support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] emperical evidence for what I say
I'm being fed up to be called a troll and being 'non-helpful' and all that, after what I've done for the project, because I basically say Freenet still sucks. Well, this is the truth, and I have completed a test that also shows this, so there can't be any discussion about it anymore. When I say Freenet sucks, it's always from the perspective of the end-user, and thus, I have done exactly what a user, trying out Freenet would do. Please note that I do not exagerate or scew any numbers to my advantage or to prove my point: I have done this with a clock aside me, and it has been done very minutely, I can assure you. First thing: on the freenetpage is (or at least was) talk about a minimum integrationperiod of a copple of hours; as an addition (at least on the wiki), it is said that it takes about two days to be 'fully integrated'. I have been running my node for about 28 hours now, though not non-stop with a period of 18 hours and one of about 10. (I doubt most newbies can afford to let their node run nonstop neither). By that token, my node should at least be 'reasonably' integrated. My openconnections are: Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 41 (20/21/200) Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 29 (20/9) Data waiting to be transferred 3.780 Bytes Total amount of data transferred 184 MiB Note that I do not have fantastic lines/ISPs/HD's/special seednodes etc.; I only have an ordinary DSL on an ordinary computer. I have done what every newbie would do, trying out freenet: going with fproxy and klicking on the first freelink of the indexsites, which happens to be The Freedom Engine. There, I just tried out the FIRST TEN freesites. Note that I DID NOT pick out deliberately obscure or whatever sites; just the first ten that appear on the indexsite. This is the result: 1) 174 sec, RNF 2) 87 sec, RNF 3) 255 sec, RNF 4) 139 sec, RNF 5) 1 sec, Sonax Flog appeared 6) 221 sec, DNF 7) 73 sec, RNF 8) 78 sec, RNF 9) 93 sec, RNF 10) 76 sec, RNF Thus,the endresult is having to wait huge amounts of time, while of ten freesites, only 1 appeared (and that so quickly, I suspect it was in my cache from a former look at it). How can this be described anything else then 'It's sucks'? The problem with all the counterarguments of how improved freenet is, is *really* beside the actual day-to-day experience of new endusers that have ordinary computers with ordinary connections. When I say it sucks, it is NOT trolling, it is describing the situation as it actually is, and as I now have demonstrated with emperical evidence, instead of just falling in the same old 'it works bad - no it works good' discussion. There can be no doubt that any newbie, after experiencing what I just have, would say 'freenet sucks', and rightly so. I hope I have demonstrated that, from the viewpoint of joe doe enduser, my claim was totally according to observable reality. I rest my case. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
Well, on my Mac OS X 10.3.6 800Mhz iBook server with 640MB RAM, Apple's 1.4.1 JVM and 10GB Freenet store over a NAT AirPort Extreme fixed IP RCN cable connection, Freenet is OK a lot of the time. Loads up to a 100 connections are normal. Generally, I do restart Freenet and wait only a few minutes if I want maximum performance out of a surfing session, but I think that's perfectly fine for betaware. Freenet 5100 seems a little better at things. I've been using Freenet for well over a year non-stop from my little iBook server. I also run three PHP/MySQL PostNuke sites from 4D's WebStar V and SMTP mail on that little guy too. Process viewer shows the CPU handling it fine most of the time. Only Java max's the CPU at Freenet startup. I think it's kind cool to see a little iBook talking to thousands of servers world wide all by itself. I think I'm going to write a children's book about my little iBook. On 12/2/04 2:41 PM, "Clueless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:35:48 +, Toad wrote: > >> That has generally been true of freenet in the past, unfortunately. We >> have made some progress, but nodes not working well for newbies is >> expected. > > That's OK, as long as the newbie knows what to expect. I think the site says > something about "a few hours", which hasn't quite been my experience... > Oh, and the default size of the data store should be increased. A lot. > >> Heh. That's called an RNF. It stands for "Route Not Found". And no, you >> don't need FUQID to download files from freenet > > but it works much better than anything else I've tried. :-) > >>> The whole experience just isn't very newbie-friendly. >> Very probably. Anything that learns can't start up instantly. We've >> tried to improve it though, and maybe we can get a bit further with >> that. And of course, the overall network performance is a lot lower than >> it ought to be. > > It's not only performance. For example, the prominently featured "Freenet Help > Index" links to an old version of Frost, which is why I couldn't get it to > work > first. > >> Possibly. But if we distributed Frost, for example, then we get a lot >> closer to "filesharing", which may have legal ramifications - especially >> with Frost's current initial boards selection! > > You have a point there... > > Thanks for your answers, all in all I'm happy now with the performance of > Freenet, I've given it 6GB to store data and it already uses 1.5GB. > ___ > Support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
"Saying "freenet sucks, it's gotten worse, it'll never get better", and implying that this is because of the people building it, is not helpful. Saying and implying it to newbies when we are particularly vulnerable due to our slow initial performance due to freenet taking a while to learn where stuff is is particularly unhelpful, and not compatible with being allowed to represent the project by having an @freenetproject.org address." That's bull. You have to know what you want. Ian says (on the lists) it's because I don't use it anymore, you say it's because I promote I2P to the detriment of Freenet, and now says it's because I say to newbies that it sucks. First of all, I never said freenet should be abandonned; I say it should be revamped to work with the underlying I2P framework. How is this, in any way, to the detriment of Freenet? On the contrary, I believe it would save Freenet. And Freenet *does* suck, you said so much yourself. Certainly, you also claim it's a lot better, but I haven't seen any proof of that yet, and I'm speaking in end-user terms, not in the amount of new code being put in. In my experience, it's not working much better then the early 0.5 build, before the network collapsed. Saying to newbies it works badly when it does, can hardly be a reason to pull out the plug on the account. You can contest how much it really sucks, but seen the complaints of newbies and my own experiences, it's not like *your* own experiences are the sole measurement to determine that. And you *do* acknowledge it doesn't really work well, at least in some aspects. The truth is mentionned in the email I received from Ian, which is: he got pissed off by the criticism I gave. All the rest is afterwards-re-excusing things. The account is used for letting people ask me questions about freenet and freenethelp; do you think it's fair that this is now being deleted, as a childish punishment because of what I say? If you want to react, react with words, or ignore me, but actively doing an action that supercedes free speech is going a lot further. You claim it was not helpful, but the newbie in question finds it was, and I agree bringing the expectations down to earth is FAR better then always claiming so over-optimistically how improved things are. The truth is, and you know as well as me, that it was a tit-for-tat reaction, that supercedes the boundaries of free speech, and you know it. I never used the account for anything else then for fondraising (which I stopped doing since I noticed the development got stuck and things were not improving in the newbie-end-users' perspective), and for people that contact me with questions. So, how, exactly, does it help to delete it? Should I re-ask installment when I go searching for sponsors again when the 0.6 version comes out? Your reaction amounts to: 'too much criticism, let's make it clear we don't like it'; not an adult reaction, but if it stayed by words, it would be understandable. Now, it isn't. Even if one would be of the opinion that it's a rational, logical decision, the LEAST you could do, was to reinstate it for a copple of weeks, so I have the time to point people that the account isn't working anymore and to rechange the links. (That won't help with the sponsor searching for the 0.6, but, by your own reckoning, I won't do that, because I'm not 'helpful' (at least you seem think so, the people that actually felt helped seem to be conveniently forgotten). This is not about me 'abusing' Freenet; I have put too much effort in it for anyone to seriously suggest that; it's about you guys being pissed of by my remarks that at least *I* (and I'm REALLY not the only one) feel are valid, based on my own experiences and what I hear from noobs. You can disagree with what I say, but it doesn't mean it's fair to put a burden on me and other users, because you guys feel offended. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
Quoting Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:33:28AM +, Clueless wrote: > > Now it's better, although as I write this, all I get is "The network is > > busy, please try again later" while trying to download FUQID, a program one > > seems to absolutely need to download from Freenet... > > you don't need FUQID to download files from freenet I thought he was saying that to get FUQID, you need to download it from Freenet. Not that you need FUQID in order to download anything from Freenet. -todd ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
Quoting Clueless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thanks for your answers, all in all I'm happy now with the performance of > Freenet, I've given it 6GB to store data and it already uses 1.5GB. This is heartening to hear. I really wonder how often we gain a user who makes it past the initial (slow) ramp-up of node performance. -todd ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:35:48 +, Toad wrote: >That has generally been true of freenet in the past, unfortunately. We >have made some progress, but nodes not working well for newbies is >expected. That's OK, as long as the newbie knows what to expect. I think the site says something about "a few hours", which hasn't quite been my experience... Oh, and the default size of the data store should be increased. A lot. >Heh. That's called an RNF. It stands for "Route Not Found". And no, you >don't need FUQID to download files from freenet ...but it works much better than anything else I've tried. :-) >> The whole experience just isn't very newbie-friendly. >Very probably. Anything that learns can't start up instantly. We've >tried to improve it though, and maybe we can get a bit further with >that. And of course, the overall network performance is a lot lower than >it ought to be. It's not only performance. For example, the prominently featured "Freenet Help Index" links to an old version of Frost, which is why I couldn't get it to work first. >Possibly. But if we distributed Frost, for example, then we get a lot >closer to "filesharing", which may have legal ramifications - especially >with Frost's current initial boards selection! You have a point there... Thanks for your answers, all in all I'm happy now with the performance of Freenet, I've given it 6GB to store data and it already uses 1.5GB. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?
-Original Message- From: Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Dec 2, 2004 12:07 PM To: Newsbyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow? Motion to ban as a troll? Opposed. Free speech for all, even soreheads. Call it vigorous debate. Actually, quite a bit of useful information for those who haven't followed the details that closely came out in this exchange. Matthew defends his position quite well. Of course, the speech issue is entirely separate from whether you want to give any particular person access to any particular server. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:13:32PM +1300, Phillip Hutchings wrote: > Yeah, I wish I had that connection to my home. I have to live with > 256/128 cable. When I ran freenet on that it wasn't too bad, but I > have a bandwidth cap. I feel for you. Are you in australia/new zealand? Or is there a local monopoly provider? > > > Maybe you haven't been hanging around long enough to remember, but I was one > > of the first people that suggested a new testnetwork which could seriously > > help in the development time in pinpointing problems...and yes, I've said > > that several times, so you can call that whining, if you want, but it IS in > > fact, a suggestion and an alternative - which some selectively remembering > > dudes claim I never do or did - and a good one at that, because there was a > > time we (at least Toad) agreed to it too. Do you here about it any longer? > > Well, no, it's been put back in the freezer because it was prefered to play > > with simulations that, as yet, didn't fullfill their promises neither. > > Yeah, I do remember. At one point I considered helping hack the > source, but it's just crazy in there. If only the protocol was > documented somewhere so I could follow it through the source. There is some documentation. But a lot of it is evolving. We're not simply implementing a standard here. We're not writing a word processor, or a TCP/IP stack, where everything we will do is pretty much well known. What we are doing is closer to implementing the first TCP/IP stack. > > > Ah man, all this shite about I don't contribute anything valuable is so > > lame. That what gets incorporated is forgotten (like augmenting the htl a > > year ago), and that what I propose in vain and hasn't been implemented is > > deemed to be mere talk, because it hasn't proven itself. Well, duh. > > I've only been on the list for a year though. > > > Certainly, I have become increasingly sarcastic, but it shows a lack of > > understanding if you fail to see what is the cause of it. When you entered > > the scene a year ago, when freenet was plunged into it's worst non-working > > period ever, then you might have a sense that it has progressed a lot - > > well, it hasn't. Not in the end-users viewpoint, anyway. Maybe for a coder, > > like toad, things are different: he codes, sees the code change, implements > > new things, so, in his perspective, things have become better...but IMHO, > > that counts for not much, if the enduser can't benefit from it. That's not > > putting a blame on the hard work of Toad, or saying 'I don't like ', > > as you seem to think, it's just the way it is. > > I know the feeling. I'm a web developer, and all the time I spend > speeding up the code in certain conditions is basically moot as far as > the boss is concerned. He's a marketer. Other users have provided reasonably positive feedback, especially after we recently fixed inserts. > > I actually started running a node in the 0.3 days, but I was on > dialup. Now that was horrible. I've been following it on and off since > then, but now I have a fast server it works ;) :) -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:58:28AM +0100, Newsbyte wrote: > Well, phillip, see my other post for your remarks, but I would wanna say > specifically one thing: > > "* I don't like (frequently Ian)" > > Isn't true. I NEVER contend it's the person, as individual, that I dislike, > I dislike the actions and decisions a person takes, because it leads, and > has lead, to a virtual standstill in end-user usuability. Now, even that on > itself isn't that bad, because people make mistakes, but when one continues > for two years, it does become a question of when it is going to sink in that > maybe there is need to change things. > > Your defence of it being fast, is just the sort of non-reality check I'm > pointing at. Dude, how many people do you think have the ability of getting > a connection like that? It's not realistic to extrapolate your situation to > others, which are in a vast majority WAY less equiped and experience enough > problems just getting it running (see posts of noobs on slashdot or even on > the maillists). 30kB/sec down and 8kB/sec up is what he said. That's a standard 1024/128 broadband connection just about anywhere; most are faster. > > Maybe you haven't been hanging around long enough to remember, but I was one > of the first people that suggested a new testnetwork which could seriously > help in the development time in pinpointing problems...and yes, I've said > that several times, so you can call that whining, if you want, but it IS in > fact, a suggestion and an alternative - which some selectively remembering > dudes claim I never do or did - and a good one at that, because there was a > time we (at least Toad) agreed to it too. Do you here about it any longer? > Well, no, it's been put back in the freezer because it was prefered to play > with simulations that, as yet, didn't fullfill their promises neither. Well, you're not complaining about it at the moment, are you? Your recent posts mostly haven't talked about the test network. > > Ah man, all this shite about I don't contribute anything valuable is so > lame. That what gets incorporated is forgotten (like augmenting the htl a > year ago), and that what I propose in vain and hasn't been implemented is > deemed to be mere talk, because it hasn't proven itself. Well, duh. Augmenting the HTL? > > Certainly, I have become increasingly sarcastic, but it shows a lack of > understanding if you fail to see what is the cause of it. When you entered > the scene a year ago, when freenet was plunged into it's worst non-working > period ever, then you might have a sense that it has progressed a lot - > well, it hasn't. Not in the end-users viewpoint, anyway. Maybe for a coder, > like toad, things are different: he codes, sees the code change, implements > new things, so, in his perspective, things have become better...but IMHO, > that counts for not much, if the enduser can't benefit from it. That's not > putting a blame on the hard work of Toad, or saying 'I don't like ', > as you seem to think, it's just the way it is. Saying "freenet sucks, it's gotten worse, it'll never get better", and implying that this is because of the people building it, is not helpful. Saying and implying it to newbies when we are particularly vulnerable due to our slow initial performance due to freenet taking a while to learn where stuff is is particularly unhelpful, and not compatible with being allowed to represent the project by having an @freenetproject.org address. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 07:54:45AM +0100, Someone wrote: > ~From your posts I guess you haven't been running a stable node for some > time, > then installed a new one and tried to insert your flog the same day. Then it > doesn't suprise me that it took quite some time. Let your node run a week > with > frost (to train it) and you will see a great improvement, shure a week is a > long > time, but if you take in mind that it has to learn a whole network and find > some > good routes/nodes it's not that much. Since build 5099 I see specialization > on > my node and insert speed is very good. I currently run 4 freesites, the > smallest > about 100kB, the biggest nearly 30MB. The smallest is usually inserted > within > 10 Minutes. The biggest takes between 4 to 6 hours, this isn't too long for > the > amount of bandwith my node is allowed to use. This is IMHO a major problem for the project at present: the learning time. I don't think that this will be really solved short of fixed size small chunks. But we have some way to go before we can do that; I don't think we should do it before 0.6. > > | And as for never bringing any alternatives...yeah, right. I remember > clearly > | I made a whole list of suggestions and alternatives for improving the > | end-user experience. Seems that memory is very selective. Why, only a few > | days ago, I pointed to an error in the uninstaller. But hey, feel free to > | ignore all that, and say I whine (not without reason in any case) about > the > | fact that freenet still sucks for the most part, mostly because of bad > | directions that have been taken. Didn't I suggest to go for UDP and small > | chunks, and leave the NGR (that, after all this time, still hasn't > actually > | proved it worked) if the simulations don't clearly show a benefit? Yes, I > | did. But that, I suppose, is rapidly forgotten, even it's exactly the > | alternatives that you claim I never gave. It's easier to say I 'just > whine', > | so you can regard me as a troll, instead of contemplating if I don't have > | valid points. > > Pointing out errors and making valid suggestions is a different thing. As > for > going for UDP, this actually would have made it worse. I know you suggested > it to push holes through NAT routers, but this doesn't work on most routers > here. And this for a very simple reason, almost all (yes even the low end > cheap trash ones) routers you can get here have full SPI. So it isn't > possible > to push a hole into their NAT, what's even worse is that the cheaper ones > have SPI, but only allow to open or redirect TCP ports, not UPD ports. So > going > to UDP would have ruled out users with one of these routers, even if they > knew > how to open/forward the listen port. The only thing that might help with > this > is to support UPNP. But it wouldn't change much, because ppl always get told > that UPNP is a security risk, and they tend to believe it and disable it. There are a lot of different ways to support hole-punching through firewalls. Simultaneous connect is one option, UP&P is another, UDP is a third. Some of these will eventually be implemented, but are not a priority at the moment. > > As for small chunks, IIRC it was suggested by Toad not by you. You only > agreed > that it might be usefull, just like I did. > > And I also did run a node pre NGR, and I saw a great improvement when > switching > it over to NGR last year. Really? Interesting... > > | In neither case it validates deleting my account, so that I now would have > | to change all references and links to it into new ones, if people want to > | contact me via the site or the wiki I run. Oh, yes, but that's all not a > | 'valid contribution', that's right. > > Oh, how bad. You have to edit some lines of HTML or change some entrys in a > DB, > this will be the end of the world. :-P -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
"Some guys talked about putting things [discussions?] onto the correct mailing lists.. does that [discussion] really fit into [this list]? Just a question. Maybe you should do [this flame-war or debate] by private messages. I don't like the feelings here, even if I'm not an official member with a freenetproject.org address. Doing [flamewars] in public is not professional." Does that make more sense? On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 11:47:01AM -0500, Nicholas Sturm wrote: > I need a translator for this. I don't claim to speak, read or write > anything but American English -- corrupted by living in a few too many > different sites in United States of America. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: BlueStar88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 12/1/2004 1:21:06 PM > > Subject: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out > of > > > > Hummm... some guys talked 'bout putting things in the correct ML.. > > does that all really fit into 'support' ? > > > > Just a question. > > > > May you should do that by PM. I don't like that feelings here, even > > i'm not an official member with a freenet.org address. Doing such > > things in public is not professional. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:27:55AM +0100, Newsbyte wrote: > "Newsbyte: Go back to i2p if you like it that much, or try to give some > real critics instead of just posting polemic and sarcasmic whine messages." > > That is a stupid remark, and you know it. For someone (no pun intended) that > says I should say valuable things, you don't set the good example. > > I've made the comparison between I2P and freenet, and they both have value, > as I said in the past. I agree that the level of whining has increased, but > that's mostly due to the fact that being diplomatic and giving alternatives > doesn't actually do one iota neither, while after 4 years (yes, I've been > follow the lists for so long) Freenet today isn't much better (in the > endusers sense) then it was in the 0.4 days. That is simply not true, and you know it. Remember the DataStoreBug? Freenet has never worked _really_ well, of course, which is why we need to continue to develop it, but the DSB dominated network performance for around a year. The network was still usable, but it was pretty bad, and we lost a lot of users due to it. > > The truth is, I *do* annoy people, and I'm well aware of that, but mostly I concur! You do annoy people, and I'm aware of that too! > it's because they know it *is* true and I do have a point. Hah, freenet > working fast? Well, indeed, if you have T1 line or something like the other > poster said. But normal users often have a different impression, and even No, the other poster talked about it working okay on DSL. It works okay for me on cable too, although I _am_ a seednodes source, which may have some influence on my position in the network. > when noobs come tell it on the maillist themselves, it is still being > refuted by some coders. I've been inserting my flog not long ago, it took me > one hour...do you think I invent this? I have no idea why you got so many RNFs. These may be because of the node being new? You did not tell us how many connections you had at the time, despite being asked. But the timeouts were likely caused by FIW being impatient. And we have a lot of feedback saying that inserts DO work better. CofE hasn't updated his site, but he does say on TFE that it is "working out well for me". > > And as for never bringing any alternatives...yeah, right. I remember clearly > I made a whole list of suggestions and alternatives for improving the > end-user experience. Seems that memory is very selective. Why, only a few > days ago, I pointed to an error in the uninstaller. But hey, feel free to > ignore all that, and say I whine (not without reason in any case) about the > fact that freenet still sucks for the most part, mostly because of bad You do whine. Sometimes you also make constructive suggestions. Sometimes you make suggestions that you see as constructive that are in fact simply trolling, such as the idea that we abandon most of the codebase in favour of I2P, made worse by the fact that jrand0m has told me that i2p is not ready for freenet's scale yet (during a discussion on premix routing), a point I have made to you on at least one occasion. > directions that have been taken. Didn't I suggest to go for UDP and small > chunks, and leave the NGR (that, after all this time, still hasn't actually Everyone suggested small chunks. I don't think you were the first person to suggest it. > proved it worked) if the simulations don't clearly show a benefit? Yes, I > did. But that, I suppose, is rapidly forgotten, even it's exactly the > alternatives that you claim I never gave. It's easier to say I 'just whine', > so you can regard me as a troll, instead of contemplating if I don't have > valid points. > > In neither case it validates deleting my account, so that I now would have > to change all references and links to it into new ones, if people want to > contact me via the site or the wiki I run. Oh, yes, but that's all not a > 'valid contribution', that's right. You cannot have an @freenetproject.org account because you cannot be trusted not to use it for canvassing for funding FOR OTHER PROJECTS. Specifically I2P. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:33:28AM +, Clueless wrote: > On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:37:52 +0100, Someone wrote: > > >Even on ADSL it isn't so slow. Shure it is much slower than browsing a > >normal Website. But this I do expect when the data has to pass through > >multiple nodes, with maybe even some ISDN or 56K users in the chain. > > I guess it depends on how long you had Freenet running, and how big the data > store is. On the first day, it was almost unusable for me. That has generally been true of freenet in the past, unfortunately. We have made some progress, but nodes not working well for newbies is expected. > > Now it's better, although as I write this, all I get is "The network is busy, > please try again later" while trying to download FUQID, a program one seems to > absolutely need to download from Freenet... Heh. That's called an RNF. It stands for "Route Not Found". And no, you don't need FUQID to download files from freenet; with a well established node you can download a lot just by the web interface (set the retries to 50 on the splitfile download forms). RNFs seem to have been on the rise recently for some unclear reason, but there are less than there used to be.. normally you get RNFs because you don't have enough connections, or because your node is overloaded.. I know you have plenty of connections... > > The whole experience just isn't very newbie-friendly. A lot of people are > probably giving up after a few hours because they don't feel 'geeky' enough. Very probably. Anything that learns can't start up instantly. We've tried to improve it though, and maybe we can get a bit further with that. And of course, the overall network performance is a lot lower than it ought to be. > > For a start, I think it would be good to have a current version of the > important > programs on the http://www.freenetproject.org/index.php?page=download page. Possibly. But if we distributed Frost, for example, then we get a lot closer to "filesharing", which may have legal ramifications - especially with Frost's current initial boards selection! -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:19:59PM +0100, Newsbyte wrote: > My critism is related to the performance and way of development of Freenet. > In both instances, I have given constructive suggestions too, but you deny > that. And even this time, I said changing to UDP might help with the > firewall issue, so it is not like I'm only given critisism without ever > suggesting alternatives. But, after all this time, it becomes a bit > fatiguing since it never amounts to anything and the level of frustration > because of no real progress (on the end-users perspective) augments. So yes, > it is often sarcastic; ignoring it is fine, pulling the plug out of the > account for it ain't. There are lots of ways to help with the firewalling issue. Some of them may eventually get implemented. However, it's possible that whatever issue that you happen to remark on isn't a priority at the time you remark on it. And some of your suggestions, such as rewriting Fred over I2P, are not supported by ian, me, and the devs in general, and will not be implemented in the foreseeable future. > > I am implying in an ironic way, that if he has trouble believing that it > works better, he should ask you or toad, since you are both being > over-optimistic in regard to how much it has 'improved' almost all of the > time. Did I EVER say that it would work perfectly for newbies? When? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of the project
What you actually said was, in your own annoying paste style: "Frustrating? Can't be! It has much improved, *much* I say. If you don't believe me, ask toad and Ian!Even the simulations say so! We have NIO and NGR now, so things definately have improved for noobs like you, whatever you may think about it yourself!" I can see how this would piss Ian off. Also, how many people have @freenetproject.org addresses? Very few IIRC. I assume you never had shell access to dodo; I would certainly object to THAT, as that would be a serious security risk, as you seem incapable of basic computer security hygiene (i.e. not running Microsoft Outlook Express). However, thank you very much for freenethelp.org, even if you have been trying to offload it lately. And thanks for helping the n00b, even if your earlier comments may not have been helpful, and you seem to be advancing an agenda of we-should-all-go-to-i2p-and-give-up-on-freenet, which strayed into your email to the newbie. On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 11:05:00AM +0100, Newsbyte wrote: > "Is that good or bad? Interestingly, even that many connections use very > little of my bandwidth." > > It's rather good. It's way more then my average Open connections, and it > indicates that it's not really a firewall/NAT problem. > > > "BTW, how big should the cache, or 'store' be? I guess the 300 MB I've given > it are not nearly enough." > > 300MB is very little, to be honest. But of course it depends on the size of > your HD. Normally, it is (should be) set to 10% of your free HD-space. > > > Now, may I ask you if you feel I have helped/supported you with my posts? I > ask that, because I just got emailed by Ian saying he kicked me out of the > project (well, at least he disabled my freenetproject account) because of my > first post to you. It seems he did not think it belonged in support, but ah, > we all know it has more to do with him having difficulties to cope with the > critisism I give on the current performance and developmentprocess of > Freenet. Which is often sarcastic, true, but he should have the maturity to > keep his personal feelings of being annoyed/agitated out of the project. > > He asks me why that I should explain "the *support* mailing list is > consistent with you having an email address that implies you are a part of > this project" but at the same time says I shouldn't bother because all what > I send goes directly into the bin anyhow - again not very mature. For a > libertarian as he claims to be, this is rather spicious reasoning. In any > case, since email isn't going to help, I will say it here: > > 1)First of all, being part of the project isn't just a matter of making a > post on the correct list, or not. (or, the real reason: being sarcastic and > critical of Freenet or not). > > 2)Being part of a project is, obviously, also derived from whether you do > something for the project or not. So what did I do for the project? I have > sought and found sponsors, I have created and maintained the freenethelp > wiki, I run and test a freenode, I insert content in the network and only > last week I updated the freenetproject webpage through cvs (which possibly I > can't do anymore, now). Since those things are all part of the project, I > conclude I *AM* indeed part of the project, whether Ian feels bitten in his > ass by my comments or not. (Which can also be seen as helpful, as some other > poster already indicated) > > 3)The main premise, that the post in question was not helpful or supportive, > is debatable. Clearly Ian doesn't think so, but that doesn't mean the newbie > that I responded to thinks the same. It's rather subjective, but it wasn't > Ian asking support, so he should not presume to know whether it was or not. > (but again, we all know the real reason). > > So, that's why I ask you. If you found it helpful or supportive in any way, > then his presumed reason for kicking me out is untenable. And even if he > doesn't, it still leaves my two other points. > > If I were to react so childish, I would have to say: well, if I'm not part > of the project anymore, why should I keep freenethelp up, why shouldn't I > revert all my changes to the website back, why should I do anything else? > But such things are childish tit-for-tat reasonings, and I am not going for > such a thing. > > If you don't like what I say, then say so, or ignore me; things a > libertarian would do. Fighting for free speech but at the same time kicking > someone out because you can't cope with what he says seems more then a bit > contradictory to me, frankly. That's simply not true. How many people have addresses @freenetproject.org ? How many of those people openly advocate giving up on Freenet, especially to content authors? Membership is largely irrelevant and nonexistant. Many people help us with donations, content, code, and the website, and there is little formal structure. > > Anyway... I doubt Ian will change his mind; he's much to stuborn for it, and
Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 01:53:58AM +, Clueless wrote: > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 01:39:54 +0100, Newsbyte wrote: > > >Actually, I was being sarcastic, which you may not have noticed, being a > >newbie. > > OIC. :-) > > >version. The version is one thing, the build something else. It should be > >5100 (you can see that when you open fproxy), which it probably is. > > Yes it is. > > >OpenConnections you can see on the start to (left), with fproxy, though you > >need to go into advance mode (upper right, I believe) first. > > Oh, that's interesting. > Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 89 (43/46/200) > Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 41 (19/22) Okay, that's quite good. What's the node uptime? Have you tried fetching any sites again? First off, the gateway/bookmark sites such as Content of Evil or Find is Not Dolphin? > > Is that good or bad? Interestingly, even that many connections use very little > of my bandwidth. It won't use much downlink, but it should use a fair amount of uplink. If it's not doing, that means either: a) Your node isn't integrated well yet, so isn't getting much traffic, b) Your uplink limits are too low or c) The network is not busy (unlikely in my experience), or is distributing traffic in an unbalanced manner (likely!). > BTW, how big should the cache, or 'store' be? I guess the 300 MB I've given it > are not nearly enough. As large as you can spare. My nodes, of which I usually run one or the other, are around 10-20G store. > > >Anyway, feel free to snoop around at www.freenethelp.org, which has become > >quite an elaborate helpsitewhich isn't all that surprising, I guess ;-). > > Thanks for your help. Well, Freenet seems to be working, or maybe limping... > but Frost still doesn't get any messages. Is this program even being used? How long has Frost been running? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 01:39:54AM +0100, Newsbyte wrote: > Well, it's a funny thing, with the firewall. I'm still not very clear about > myself. It is supposed to work without a glitch these days; it should handle > NAT and firewalls without a glitch...only it sort of doesn't. It works, but > it doesn't. I'll let a High God explain that one, but rest assured it's full > of 'ifs' and 'thens'. Using UDP might have helped to avoid all that, but ah, > details. No, it's not. If you have a NAT you can't hole punch, then it won't work well. If you have a NAT you haven't punched a hole in, then it won't work well. If you have a NAT and you HAVE punched a hole i.e. forwarded the port, then it should work reasonably well, and you don't need to set the ip address. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?
Motion to ban as a troll? On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 01:39:54AM +0100, Newsbyte wrote: > "So you're saying it should be faster? But even when I used the Freenet > gateways, they were very slow." > > Actually, I was being sarcastic, which you may not have noticed, being a > newbie. If you scroll to my earlier posts on devl or support, you will > notice I've made EXACTLY the point that for noobs Freenet still sucks, > because...well, it sucks. There have been a lot of technical 'improvements' > like NIO and NGR, but some of it is dubious, and all of them have not > contributed to a faster, better working Freenet - which is often disputed by > the Higher Gods, but which is, alas, the truth. > > Your story isn't an exeption. Recently I tried to insert my flog, and it > took about one hour to insert it. But, rest assured, someone will come in > and say it works fanfuckingtastic with on his/her puter. > > But, back into reality-land-with-no-elves-and-fairies, your experience is > quite common. Though, in all honesty, I must say with some (well-integrated) > nodes, fast lines and time of the month (etc.) you can have some freesites > under the two minutes as well. > > > "Win2k, I just downloaded the program complete with the Java machine from" > > I asked the questions mainly pro-forma: it's what is always asked, but > usually the question nor the answer will help much. You got lucky you didn't > get it back 'corrupted' like me. Anyway, guess that'll be a 1.4.x JVM > version. The version is one thing, the build something else. It should be > 5100 (you can see that when you open fproxy), which it probably is. > > OpenConnections you can see on the start to (left), with fproxy, though you > need to go into advance mode (upper right, I believe) first. > > Well, it's a funny thing, with the firewall. I'm still not very clear about > myself. It is supposed to work without a glitch these days; it should handle > NAT and firewalls without a glitch...only it sort of doesn't. It works, but > it doesn't. I'll let a High God explain that one, but rest assured it's full > of 'ifs' and 'thens'. Using UDP might have helped to avoid all that, but ah, > details. > > Anyway, feel free to snoop around at www.freenethelp.org, which has become > quite an elaborate helpsitewhich isn't all that surprising, I guess ;-). > > ___ > Support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 10:40:10PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > OK, so I tried Freenet... or rather, I'm trying to try it. > > It's running for about 36 hours now, with pauses because I have to go offline > every 12 hours. (is that a problem?) Not if it's a brief offline. > > A Freenet site takes now from 5 to 20 minutes to load, if it loads at all. How many open connections? Also are you firewalled? > > After much trying, I downloaded Frost, but the interesting part of the manual > just won't load, not even through the gateway. > I think I got it running correctly, but it doesn't show even one message > anywhere, aside from the one I posted myself. Lots of "not found or wrong > size" > in the DOS box... You don't need the manual, just leave Frost running for a few hours or days and it'll get lots of messages; the UI isn't hard to pick up. > > All in all, I have to say Freenet is a very frustrating experience to a > newbie. > Is it always this slow, did I do something wrong, or have I picked a bad day? Unfortunately, freenet's architecture is not able to instantly provide the level of performance that a mature node will eventually attain, because of the node learning about the network and vice versa. This has advantages in that it discourages leaching, but it means that new nodes are usually a bit slow.. we have tried to improve on this and will probably make further efforts in future. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Your http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref file
Apologies, our web provider appears to be having problems due to a hardware upgrade. I suggest you download the compressed file, which ends in .bz2 .. and get bzip2 to decompress it. If you're on linux you probably already have it, if not, get it from http://sources.redhat.com/bzip2/ On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 12:11:21AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello > > Each time that I want to download this file, the time rate is about 7 kb per > second instead an about 120 kb per second. > I hope that your server is not bad ! > > Regards > laurent -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] NativeBigInteger and CPUID build
It is possible, but it is not simple. Are you running on one of the architectures supported by the freenet-ext.jar ? If so, building from source is relatively straightforward. If you need to compile native support for an obscure architecture, that's a little harder. On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 09:30:40PM +0200, notmyrealemail wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there a (simple) way to build NativeBigInteger and CPUID libs for stable > Freenet? I would like to test any performance benefits and therefore would > need > instructions how to build and install these libs for my node. > > Thanks! -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Support Digest, Vol 16, Issue 19
Fair enough. Is anyone actually working on it any more? Also, have they gotten rid of the home grown (and therefore insecure almost by definition, unless the home happens to be the NSA) crypto algorithms? On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 05:47:09AM -0800, Michael wrote: > I jumped the Freenet ship over a month ago and swam to the easy safety > of Entropy. Maybe not all the content but hey, it works and works and > doesn't need updates of anything(java or otherwise), it is consistent, > fast, and I don't have to maintain, re-maintain, shutdown, restart, > reconfigure, renothing to keep it going, plus, no bickering on the chats > over what is the problem du jour with the networks or nodes. > Danke. > I may return to check out Freenet some day. Marginally possible. > > On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 00:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Send Support mailing list submissions to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Support digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >1. a dead horse and other animals (Newsbyte) > >2. and another thing (Newsbyte) > >3. RE: a dead horse and other animals (Nicholas Sturm) > >4. Re: a dead horse and other animals (Toad) > >5. Re: and another thing (Toad) > >6. Re: a dead horse and other animals (Wayne McDougall) > >7. Re: a dead horse and other animals (Newsbyte) > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:22:04 +0100 > > From: "Newsbyte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [freenet-support] a dead horse and other animals > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > "I've been getting TFE fine, but I haven't been able to load FIND for almost > > a > > week. The lists are pretty silent lately, as well. Conspiracy theory, > > anyone?" > > > > No, the explanation is simply this, that many active (meaning formerly > > inserting/posting) Freenetters have gone over to i2p. Not only do you see > > icons such as thetower guy there, but a lot of other ex-freenetters, some of > > which still didn't leave Freenet completely (like me). > > > > I've been pointing that out in the irc chan too, but I got slapped on the > > wrist for it. aparently, saying the obvious is 'not done'. For the first > > time, Freenet has some serious competition, and it's not performing well, > > speaking in a darwinian sense. As yet, it doesn't seem to affect finances > > that much, but once you start to lose interest and people go to another > > (promising) I2P, that can't be far away. > > > > I have said many times before that there is a lack of progress, or at least > > a sense of progress, certainly for the ordinary freenet user (and, in fact, > > for the end-user there HAS been little progress). The development cycle of > > Freenet is NOT normal, not even for a new-technology-beta. It seems that > > Freenet is performing better...but compared to what? To how it was a year > > ago? No doubt, back then it was totally bork. It's a pitty we don't have > > performance testing logs, but I suspect that it's now about as good as it > > was 2 years ago...hmmm. Yesyes, I know a lot of technological goodies have > > been added, but that doesn't interest Joe Doe: he just wants it to work, and > > good. That means, primarely; finding something he wants, and d/l it fast, > > and, seen the fact it's freenet, in a safe manner. > > > > Freenet doesn't do all that. > > > > Now, granted, though I have been pleasantly surprised, neither does I2P, as > > yet. But the difference is, they are working 4 months on it, and have come a > > long way and they *are* improving dramatically. With that pace they are > > gaining support rapidly, as already can be seen (and that's why it has > > suddenly become more quiet on the posts, and Freesites are less and less > > being updated). The moment the DHT is ready, Freenet will not offer anything > > en plus, practically speaking. > > > > Now, I'm ambigous about this all. In theory, competition is a good > > thing...only it doesn't seem to have any impact, here. It's mostly being > > ignored, and when someone points it out, it's not welcomed. Furthermore, I > > don't think two main anonymity projects can be maintained by the OSS crowd, > > at least not the way it is done now. what is taken by one is at the loss of > > the other one, and vice versa, me thinks. > > > > That's why, in a former post, I tried to stimulate both parties to try to > > merge their technology and forces...but to no apparent avail. I
Re: [freenet-support] and another thing
On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 12:49:29AM -0600, S wrote: > On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:57:09 + > Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So he should link to the project page, first and foremost. That's called > > "doing your research". > > FYI, a Google search for Freenet returns freenet.sourceforge.net as the > 3rd result. freenetproject.org is somewhere on the 8th page of results > (assuming > the default 10 results per page). First result when I tried. And there's nothing wrong with that, it's the same exact page as http://freenetproject.org/ - we'd prefer people used the latter, but we are hosted on sf and probably will be for the foreseeable future.. if we weren't, our bandwidth costs might be as much as my salary! > > Not saying that a Google search is journalistic due diligence, but for a > hell of a lot of people, it's how they find stuff. > > -s -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
Jesus, If anything gave me a bad taste in my mouth other than freenet's terrible speed and reliablility, it's this current argument. Good luck in the future, maybe I'll be back when this doesn't remind me of a dysfunction family. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Help me
Em Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:07:49 -0300, escreveu: Ajudem-me amigos Instalei o freenet para o windows e meu browser é opera, mas quando navego a mensagem abaixo é é exibida: Couldn't retrieve key: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hops To Live: 15 Error: Route Not Found Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes. 0 were totally unreachable. 0 restarted. 0 cleanly rejected. 0 backed off. The request couldn't even make it off of your node. Try again, perhaps with the GPL to help your node learn about others. The publicly available seed nodes have been very busy lately. If possible try to get a friend to give you a reference to their node instead. Route Not Found messages mean that your node, or the rest of the network, didn't find the data or enough nodes to send the request to. You should retry, with the same Hops-To-Live; if it persists, there may be a problem (check that your internet connection is working). Try reseeding your node, and if that doesn't work, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Change Hops To Live to and Por favor envie-me um passo a passo para que eu possa compartilhar dessa liberdade também. De preferência o passoa passo deve ser em português. Obrigado Roger Usando o M2, revolucionário cliente de e-mail do Opera: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- Usando o M2, revolucionário cliente de e-mail do Opera: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Your http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref file
Hello Each time that I want to download this file, the time rate is about 7 kb per second instead an about 120 kb per second. I hope that your server is not bad ! Regards laurent __ Mit WEB.DE FreePhone mit hoechster Qualitaet ab 0 Ct./Min. weltweit telefonieren! http://freephone.web.de/?mc=021201 ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
