Re: Primary/Main e-mail address and additional e-mail address during composing e-mails in SM2...
I just got v2.0.1 installed via its updater, but I still find it annoying that it doesn't use my main e-mail address. I couldn't find an option to change this. It looks like it is sorting by alphabetical order johnd...@foo.bar (additional e-mail address) instead of johnd...@foo.bar (main one). Thank you in advance. :) On 12/2/2009 7:22 AM PT, Ant typed: Some of my addressbooks have two e-mail addresses for the same contact/person. In v1.1.18, I would type in a name and SM would show me both names to pick. In v2, it doesn't let me pick and always use the primary/main one. How can I make this behavior happen in v2 like in v1.1.18? -- There are things in the Universe billions of years older than either of our races. They are vast, timeless, and if they are aware of us at all, it is as little more than ants and we have as much chance of communicating with them as an ant has with us. We know. We've tried and we've learned that we can either stay out from underfoot or be stepped on. They are a mystery and I am both terrified and reassured that to know that there are still wonders in the Universe, that we have not explained everything. Whatever they are, Miss Sakai, they walk near Sigma 957 and they must walk there alone. --G'Kar - Mind War /\___/\ / /\ /\ \Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. -- The ants and termites have renounced the Hobbesian war. --Petr Kropotkin /\___/\ / /\ /\ \Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Primary/Main e-mail address and additional e-mail address during composing e-mails in SM2...
Ant schrieb: I just got v2.0.1 installed via its updater, but I still find it annoying that it doesn't use my main e-mail address. I couldn't find an option to change this. It looks like it is sorting by alphabetical order johnd...@foo.bar (additional e-mail address) instead of johnd...@foo.bar (main one). There's a buton to set the default account in the Mail Newsgroup Account Settings: http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/781/default.png regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.asciiribbon.org/index-de.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
How do I reduce the header width??
I'm using the three pane view in (clean install) SM 2.0 on (clean install) Windows 7. When I view a message either in my Mail account and/or my various newsgroups on various servers, the Header portion is extra wide, showing not only the normal Subject, From, Date and newsgroups lines, I'm also seeing Message-ID, Path, NNPT-posting-date and User Agent lines of the message. I have a scroll bar which allows me to see the rest of the Header info. How do I reduce the width(depth) of the header section, keeping the scroll bar, so that I will be able to see more of the message. TIA Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How do I reduce the header width??
Daniel wrote, On 12/16/2009 1:06 PM: I'm using the three pane view in (clean install) SM 2.0 on (clean install) Windows 7. When I view a message either in my Mail account and/or my various newsgroups on various servers, the Header portion is extra wide, showing not only the normal Subject, From, Date and newsgroups lines, I'm also seeing Message-ID, Path, NNPT-posting-date and User Agent lines of the message. I have a scroll bar which allows me to see the rest of the Header info. How do I reduce the width(depth) of the header section, keeping the scroll bar, so that I will be able to see more of the message. TIA Daniel You may want to set the View --- Headers to normal instead of all ?? Dominique ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit msg as new SM 2.0.1
Hi! Problem happens here, too. Adresscompletion when composing messages causes SM2.0.1 to hang. Disabled AC and it works. Probelm never occured before. Started w/ 2.0.1 - Happens on two different Windows XP systems. btw, I just have 2 addressbooks (collected and a personal abook). So imo this has nothing to do with the amount of abooks. my 2 cents z3c ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How do I reduce the header width??
Daniel wrote: I'm using the three pane view in (clean install) SM 2.0 on (clean install) Windows 7. When I view a message either in my Mail account and/or my various newsgroups on various servers, the Header portion is extra wide, showing not only the normal Subject, From, Date and newsgroups lines, I'm also seeing Message-ID, Path, NNPT-posting-date and User Agent lines of the message. I have a scroll bar which allows me to see the rest of the Header info. How do I reduce the width(depth) of the header section, keeping the scroll bar, so that I will be able to see more of the message. TIA Daniel I'm using Sailfish's Venerable Modern theme. From here, I I have an arrow that toggles the headers from a single line to full display. Point it down, I see all the headers with a scroll as you describe. Point it right, and I see just Subject and From. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
error 200 when update to 2.0.1
I have SM 2.0.0 SM 2.0.1 is ready to download since December 15, 2009 search for updates today gives error 200 anyone have the same problem ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: message filters
Bill Davidsen wrote: Smiles wrote: Good day one of my email accounts is being hit by over 20 emails daily with ? marks of different length in subject and sender field. if I save one as text it is blank, so I set up a filter up to send all to trash by setting from value a a single '?' but nothing gets filtered out I'll take a wild guess that if you save the message and look at the actual data, that either an odd character set is being used, or one with a high bit set. In any case, it uses ? to note a character it can't display. A filter option for character sets other than a few user provided defaults would be useful. Running Linux I can do that filtering upstream of the user agent, so I just see it as a crap count in rejects. Ok finally I have checked three or four at random and jet a Indochinese or Japanese's language pop up which gives me the cause for this ? showing up. this one has me stumped edited*** From - Wed Dec 16 09:05:50 2009 X-Account-Key: account3 X-UIDL: 1260950638.V56dI85c0feM461884.sunfep2 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: X-Mozilla-Keys: Return-Path: mmz-orcv=65106362676842=2jiq6hk=415=---cut---...@magerr.combzmail.jp X-Original-To:CUT Delivered-To: CUT Received: from fipmb04.---CUT---.net (rdnat03 [192.168.200.207]) by sunfep2.--CUT.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597D22528 for ---CUT; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:03:58 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuUBAD8jKEvSvNcQg2dsb2JhbACBS4I8BJc9AQEBCgkMBRV/hzagIQGCXY1GgSyCKlUEgWKBGA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i=4.47,405,1257138000; d=scan'208;a=222967942 X-SBRS: 3.1 Received: from btb016.combzmail.jp (HELO r1237.ps.combzmail.jp) ([210.188.215.16]) by fipmb04.--CUT--- with SMTP; 16 Dec 2009 03:03:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 13687 invoked by uid 509); 16 Dec 2009 17:03:54 +0900 Date: 16 Dec 2009 17:03:54 +0900 Message-ID: 20091216080354.13685.qm...@r1237.ps.combzmail.jp To: ---CUT From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCS0wzJEY7JG8kMSQiJGo7VD5sGyhC?= merum...@wakeichi.com X-Ip: 205757989978135 Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCIiNBd05BTDVOQSIjQmc/TTUkSiFCXiF6GyhC?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQmhGc0NGISohWCU6JW8lJCQrJEskNyRjJFYhJiQrGyhC?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJEtGaUohQl4hWUVQPmwhKhsoQg==?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MagazineId: orcv X-uId: 6747335446484368694368342000 X-Sender: CombzMailSender X-Url: http://www.combzmail.jp/ ? ***end of paste What is meaning of subject line thanks every one ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
On 12/15/2009 9:15 PM, Martin Freitag wrote: I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey Which ones? Most popular extensions which worked in SM1 do work (some need compatibility enforcement) or have an equivalent in my opinion. There are a few, the biggest one is that Image Zoom 0.4 dropped SM support and 0.3x works on 1.1.x but not 2.x. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to disable home button on toolbar in SM 2.0.1?
Jonathan Wilson wrote: I want to disable/hide the home button on the main toolbar (the one next to the bookmarks bar) on SM 2.0.1. How can I do this? I dont see anything in preferences or about:config that would disable it. First of all, please discuss that in the support group, where our users-helping-users community is around to help with exactly such questions. The dev.apps group is for technical discussions about development of the application. Second, just right-click on the toolbar, e.g. right at the home button, and then select Customize... Once you're in toolbar customization mode, you can move the home button out of the toolbar by just dragging it around with the mouse. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Rufus wrote: Yes, but the interface options/functionality between the two is different - most notably in that I can drag and drop Account/NG order in TB, and I can't in SM. And I just discovered that in TB I can open a tab for each server/subscription if I want, and those tabs don't close at shutdown and the state is remembered at the next startup - I really like that. Fun... the drag-and-drop newsgroup reordering was implemented in a project done for SeaMonkey and just happened to be functional in Thunderbird code as well. It surely works in SeaMonkey 2.0.x and has been working in SeaMonkey development versions for ages. The remembering of mail tabs is something we surely need to adopt as well, it works fine in the browser in 2.0.x, but with the load of other changes, we didn't have the time to make it working on the mail side as well in that release. Help to implement it is surely wanted! Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
hawker wrote: On 12/15/2009 9:15 PM, Martin Freitag wrote: I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey Which ones? Most popular extensions which worked in SM1 do work (some need compatibility enforcement) or have an equivalent in my opinion. There are a few, the biggest one is that Image Zoom 0.4 dropped SM support and 0.3x works on 1.1.x but not 2.x. What does that add-on do differently than the internal zoom functionality in 2.0 that also zooms images now? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
hawker wrote: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? I started with Mosaic in 1993 [loved the dictionary/spell checker it had]; having never liked MSIE or OE, I checked everything available later and Netscape was always the best for me. It's the same with SeaMonkey. I prefer the suite, and it's never had enough bugs to drive me away. When it presents me with a problem, I come here and it's usually resolved. I can't program to help in development, but having held a job a few years coding in machine language in the dark ages, I can appreciate the difficulties the SM team faces making everything work together, and that's why it's easier for me to accept there will be bugs, and EVERYONE will not be satisfied. :) It's harder to understand the people who seem to expect a *perfect* product for zero money or effort. That's not directed at you, but at the general tone of this group for the last month, which might make the developers wonder why they continue doing this. For those of us who love it, I hope that's not the case. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
hawker wrote: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? Well, our official two arguments are: 1) Good integration of browser and messaging functionality 2) More professional functionality that is reachable faster Just one (random) example for both: 1) e.g. easy selection of opening a link in an email in a new tab or new window in the browser via the context (right-click) menu. 2) e.g. the cookie manager being reachable from browser menus, and not a few levels into preferences, like in Firefox (to name just one example). Our target audience is the advanced user who often also likes good integration of mail and browser as (s)he's using both extensively. That's not to say that other groups, esp. ones that intersects with this one, don't like SeaMonkey, we seem to have a good standing with corporate users, for example, and with other users who like that they only need to install a single application to have browser and messaging functionality. Of course, there are a number of things we still can and need to improve, but with SeaMonkey 2.0, we significantly reduced the gap in functionality to Firefox and Thunderbird, and also now have a good platform to build even more improvements upon. I hope many people continue to support us on that path and possibly even help us with their contribution - be it in testing, support and documentation for other users, or even in developing add-ons and the application itself! Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. Congratulations! I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about using secure software. ;-) Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: About SeaMonkey?
Rob Steinmetz wrote: Does the About Seamonkey page update when you upgrade to 2.0.1? Yes. Mine says 2.0 and when I check for update I get No updates Available. Try again now that 2.0.1 has been released. ;-) When we say we are releasing on December 15th, then it means we are making the release public some time during that day in US Pacific Time zone, usually somewhat after 3pm in that time zone. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bing as SM2 search engine preference
Phillip Jones wrote: I've read they are supposed to be getting away from src 's and strictly addons . True, but that needs the new format to be supported in SeaMonkey first, and we are not there yet. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
On 12/16/2009 12:05 AM, Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:34:11 -0500, hawker wrote: I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey - all of which still work in Firefox I'm questing why I'm so Hi! Which extensions that you are personally concerned about that are broken or not longer supporting SeaMonkey? We are currently planning an outreach program targeting extension authors who used to support the old Mozilla Suite or SeaMonkey 1.x, to encourage them to resume support for the Suite. If you let us know about any specific extensions we can add those authors to our email spam^Wmarketing campaign. Again the show stopper for me is Image Zoom. I do CAD work and have a huge monitor, so most graphics in web pages are too small. I need this plug in to function. I'm also still, on some computers, still a Eudora user even though that program, with all that is great about it, is getting almost to the point of unusable with poor current standards support. So perhaps I'm just an anachronism wishing still for the days of 110baud teletype BBSs again ;) Have you tried the latest Eudora 8 betas? No I have been keeping tabs on the project, but don't have time for Beta testing. Got work to do after all. It sounds promising but the things I like best about Eudora have not yet been implemented in Eudora 8 yet and the importers are not there yet. I have over 10 years worth of Eudora e-mail I still often reference. Hawker Phil ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to remove bookmarks folder from personal toolbar
William Greenwood wrote: After upgrading to 2.0.1 the bookmarks folder shows up on my Personal Toolbar. How do I get rid of it? Right click on the toolbar, choose Customize in the popup box, then drag bookmarks to Customize box. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to remove bookmarks folder from personal toolbar
On 12/16/2009 7:36 AM, William Greenwood wrote: After upgrading to 2.0.1 the bookmarks folder shows up on my Personal Toolbar. How do I get rid of it? Anywhere on the NAVIGATION toolbar (not the Personal toolbar), right-click. Select Customize from the drop-down context menu. Drag the button from the Personal toolbar and drop it into the Customize Toolbar window. NOTE: For some reason, you might not get Customize in the context menu if your cursor is over the Back or Forward buttons on the Navigation toolbar. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Primary/Main e-mail address and additional e-mail address during composing e-mails in SM2...
On 12/16/2009 3:16 AM PT, Martin Freitag typed: I just got v2.0.1 installed via its updater, but I still find it annoying that it doesn't use my main e-mail address. I couldn't find an option to change this. It looks like it is sorting by alphabetical order johnd...@foo.bar (additional e-mail address) instead of johnd...@foo.bar (main one). There's a buton to set the default account in the Mail Newsgroup Account Settings: http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/781/default.png regards Um, isn't that set as default button? Mine is greyed out and I don't see how that will fix my problem to compose which multiple e-mail addresses correctly. -- Remember when walking down the road of life, always stop and squish the ants. --Albian in Creatures game /\___/\ / /\ /\ \Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:34 PM, hawker haw...@ashevillecommunity.org wrote: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? Anyone out there a Seamonkey user who was not a Netscape users? As for me I started on Netscape 1.x though 4.6x then skipped to Netscape 7.x (6.x never worked well for me), on to Mozilla Suite and then Seamonkey. Firefox/Thunderbird never felt comfortable to me since I knew Netscape better and so I stay here with Seamonkey. I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey - all of which still work in Firefox I'm questing why I'm so resistant to go over th Firefox. Seamonkey just isn't getting the support it did when it was still Mozilla Suite unfortunately (a fact I don't want to accept). I'm also still, on some computers, still a Eudora user even though that program, with all that is great about it, is getting almost to the point of unusable with poor current standards support. So perhaps I'm just an anachronism wishing still for the days of 110baud teletype BBSs again ;) Anyone want to wax philosophical about this? I personally use Thunderbird for mail/news and only use the browser of Seamonkey 1.1. The Multizilla extension is what keeps me, along with the fact that the UI (with modern theme) in Linux is faster than Firefox's (though the rendering engine in FF is faster), along with it being old habit (been using Seamonkey/Mozilla/Netscape since the beginning). All of my bookmarks, saved passwords etc are in Seamonkey, and I'm simply used to the way it looks and feels. So far, the faster UI + Multizilla has been enough to keep me with SM, and Firefox just does not feel right to me somehow, but now it's starting to get where some sites don't work properly, etc. For example I use Firefox for all of my banking sites, and some AJAX-heavy sites that don't work entirely properly in Seamonkey for whatever reason (Facebook, Google Sites, etc). Since Multizilla does not appear to be alive anymore the chances are I would switch to Firefox when I finally give up on SM 1.x series. So far *most* things still work fine in SM 1.x and until the day comes when I'm using it less than Firefox, or there is some killer feature to bring me to another browser, I'll probably keep using it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Rufus wrote: hawker wrote: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? Anyone out there a Seamonkey user who was not a Netscape users? As for me I started on Netscape 1.x though 4.6x then skipped to Netscape 7.x (6.x never worked well for me), on to Mozilla Suite and then Seamonkey. Firefox/Thunderbird never felt comfortable to me since I knew Netscape better and so I stay here with Seamonkey. I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey - all of which still work in Firefox I'm questing why I'm so resistant to go over th Firefox. Seamonkey just isn't getting the support it did when it was still Mozilla Suite unfortunately (a fact I don't want to accept). I'm also still, on some computers, still a Eudora user even though that program, with all that is great about it, is getting almost to the point of unusable with poor current standards support. So perhaps I'm just an anachronism wishing still for the days of 110baud teletype BBSs again ;) Anyone want to wax philosophical about this? Hawker I stay with it mainly for it's user configurable security features, and the fact that I like it for it's integrated browser/mail/usenet suite - it's convenient. But like yourself, I'm beginning to question my loyalty to it - particularly in light of the random changes to the interface which either deny me the utility I once praised, eliminate it entirely, or confuse me as to it's current state after it's alleged upgrade. There are a number of enterprise customers I support which still hang onto NS (in place of IE) in some situations because of some of that aforementioned configurability and functionality that I have personally been trying to get to look at Seamonkey (for it's comparable certificate handling, strong 128 bit encryption, cookie management, etc.) as an update/upgrade...but I'm not really sure I should continue to do that at this point. Some of those customers are now using Firefox in place of NS, but that doesn't really get me what I desire - these customers generally use MS Outlook, and so the suite concept doesn't sell with them. The lack of status information in the dialog boxes regarding the aforementioned attributes is certainly not reassuring to such customers...and then there's those stupid tiny buttons...and that's just two starting points of departure when it comes to addressing an enterprise user base... I may start paying more attention the Firefox/Thunderbird solution myself...I've been tinkering with TB 3.0 and so far I'm far more pleased with it than I have been with SM 2.0. If Firefox offers the control I like(d) in SM, I may just switch. If it's good enough for corporations, it's probably good enough for me. I use it because I don't wish to open two, three, four applications that end up taking more than Memory than SeaMonkey alone. I have FireFox as well when I just want to go to a site for a second or two. I like the convenience of when clicking in a URL in an mailto instantly switching to that page. In Firefox clicking a mailto comes up with a about Blank page, then Thunderbird opening then going to a Blank email widow without the email address in the mailto filled in been that way since FireFox 1 and Thunderbird 1 and still that way with FireFox 3 and Current version of Thunderbird. Even does the same in PostBox. So there is something inherently wrong with the code for mailto's. Making mailto links in FF/TB less than useless. I like the ability to go to ftp sites that's in SeaMonkey. I like the way Password manager and Tools Manager are on the tools menu. Not hidden in layers the the Preference. I do like the way we had a forms manager as in SM 1.1.x and sad that it removed because they didn't have the time, energy, know-how or desire to do a port of it in the new code. (Despite all the protestations otherwise by the developers, they decided because they didn't use it there wasn't a need for it so they dumped it.) Finally my 60 year old brain ain't fast enough to do 3 or 4 things at one time. look at a web page while typing an email. I like doing one thing at a time. I end up take more time to do several things at a time because I can't concentrate half a dozen things as well as one task at a time. (I am a uni-tasker not a Multi-tasker.) Back in the days of IE/OE on Mac I hated it. And I was sad to see Mozilla go to that Model. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Mike C wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:34:11 -0500, hawker wrote: I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey - all of which still work in Firefox I'm questing why I'm so Hi! Which extensions that you are personally concerned about that are broken or not longer supporting SeaMonkey? We are currently planning an outreach program targeting extension authors who used to support the old Mozilla Suite or SeaMonkey 1.x, to encourage them to resume support for the Suite. If you let us know about any specific extensions we can add those authors to our email spam^Wmarketing campaign. I'm also still, on some computers, still a Eudora user even though that program, with all that is great about it, is getting almost to the point of unusable with poor current standards support. So perhaps I'm just an anachronism wishing still for the days of 110baud teletype BBSs again ;) Have you tried the latest Eudora 8 betas? Phil I don't think RoboForm supports SM 2 yet. http://www.roboform.com/browsers.html Mike C The SkyPilot Theme needs some minor adjustment to not conflict with quote colors. I've sent a notice to SailFish support email and to his support forum nadda from either. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
I need help with 2.0.1
I have 2 continuing issues, therefore I'm forced to continue using 1.1.18. I keep getting the following message when trying to doing to do anything: Please enter the master password for the Software Security Device. Any clue what is wanted? I have tried every password I can think of but none work. Also the email can not find my current email. How do I re-path it to the correct folder? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
hawker wrote: On 12/15/2009 9:15 PM, Martin Freitag wrote: I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey Which ones? Most popular extensions which worked in SM1 do work (some need compatibility enforcement) or have an equivalent in my opinion. There are a few, the biggest one is that Image Zoom 0.4 dropped SM support and 0.3x works on 1.1.x but not 2.x. Yes it does. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
hawker wrote: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? snip Hawker I used NS4, then Mozilla, now Seamonkey. I stayed because I rather open one suite than several apps. I like the way everything is integrated. Also, up to 1.18, I liked the old Form Manager, with its 'Edit - fill-in form' one-click form filling, which I hope will be developed for SM2 sometime. Still, I think that it is the best browser/E-mail client combo out there, and it is what I install in my friends/family computers when they ask me to. Lou ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Confused about SM 2.0.1
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: SM2.0.1 was supposed to come out the same exact time FF3.5.5 was to hit the streets. FF 3.5.5 was a very short-cycle crash-fix-only release and we didn't have the resources to create an update at that time (mostly because our only build and release engineer, that is my humble self, was just about to go into a vacation), so we still went with the regularly scheduled security update as a base, which is today's FF 3.5.6 release. And that's why SeaMonkey 2.0.1 has been in testing mode for about a week now and just was made public (it's pretty normal to have 1-2 weeks of testing phase before we make a release public, so that we can catch any unexpected problems that might still be in the release builds). Robert Kaiser You actually have time for vacation?? :-) I just update to 2.0.1 seems to cleared up a problem I turned into Bugzilla a week or two ago. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bing as SM2 search engine preference
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I've read they are supposed to be getting away from src 's and strictly addons . True, but that needs the new format to be supported in SeaMonkey first, and we are not there yet. Robert Kaiser as I said the code it to complex for me to type correctly. so I just put the Bing website on menu bar. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Robert Kaiser wrote: hawker wrote: On 12/15/2009 9:15 PM, Martin Freitag wrote: I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey Which ones? Most popular extensions which worked in SM1 do work (some need compatibility enforcement) or have an equivalent in my opinion. There are a few, the biggest one is that Image Zoom 0.4 dropped SM support and 0.3x works on 1.1.x but not 2.x. What does that add-on do differently than the internal zoom functionality in 2.0 that also zooms images now? Robert Kaiser The zoom built zooms evey thing. Image zoom only affect images making them larger or smaller. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
On 12/16/2009 9:11 AM PT, Lou typed: hawker wrote: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? snip Hawker I used NS4, then Mozilla, now Seamonkey. I stayed because I rather open one suite than several apps. I like the way everything is integrated. Also, up to 1.18, I liked the old Form Manager, with its 'Edit - fill-in form' one-click form filling, which I hope will be developed for SM2 sometime. Still, I think that it is the best browser/E-mail client combo out there, and it is what I install in my friends/family computers when they ask me to. I grew up online with Netscape v2 to Communicator v4. I like the suite! -- Oh, good morning, my little worker ants! That's just a figure of speech; I would NEVER compare you to insects. At least not after that sensitivity training seminar those maggots at the network forced me to attend! --Kay, Murphy Brown /\___/\ / /\ /\ \Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
How to access SM Mail Compose from Firefox
In openSUSE 11.2 Gnome Control Center, I've selected Firefox as preferred browser and SM as preferred Email client from the menu. The greyed out commands are shown as firefox %s and seamonkey -mail %s respectively. However, when I right click and select 'Send link' on a web page in FF, the SM browser startpage is opened, not the SM Mail Compose window as it should and as it works corresponding from a SM browser page. Suggestions? Terje ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: ...which brings up a good point - the changes in Thunderbird were/are actually for the better...on all but on point I can think of. This is surprising since we share the exact same mailnews backend code as Thunderbird 3.0. Phil Yes, but the interface options/functionality between the two is different - most notably in that I can drag and drop Account/NG order in TB, and I can't in SM. And I just discovered that in TB I can open a tab for each server/subscription if I want, and those tabs don't close at shutdown and the state is remembered at the next startup - I really like that. The only thing I've seen in TB 3.0 that I don't like so far is that the Attachment icon in the message tray is displayed too small - but that could be sufficiently addressed by making it scale in accord with the user set height of the tray. Function to the user makes all the difference - not so much what's under the hood. I'm becoming more inclined to start using TB more. I can't get them moved around and I have 2.0.1. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
How to import Firefox personal bar bookmarks to SM
How to import booksmarks, especially the personal bar bookmarks from Firefox to SM? Terje ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
hawker wrote: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? Anyone out there a Seamonkey user who was not a Netscape users? As for me I started on Netscape 1.x though 4.6x then skipped to Netscape 7.x (6.x never worked well for me), on to Mozilla Suite and then Seamonkey. Firefox/Thunderbird never felt comfortable to me since I knew Netscape better and so I stay here with Seamonkey. I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey - all of which still work in Firefox I'm questing why I'm so resistant to go over th Firefox. Seamonkey just isn't getting the support it did when it was still Mozilla Suite unfortunately (a fact I don't want to accept). I'm also still, on some computers, still a Eudora user even though that program, with all that is great about it, is getting almost to the point of unusable with poor current standards support. So perhaps I'm just an anachronism wishing still for the days of 110baud teletype BBSs again ;) Anyone want to wax philosophical about this? Hawker In two words...Integration and Options!! I originally purchased Netscape Navigator Gold as a development tool because it had the browser, HTML editor and mail all in one package. It also included a multitude of other applications. I stayed with Netscape 4.79 until the Mozilla Foundation brought out the Mozilla Suite because I did not like the newer versions of Netscape. I have always liked the installation options allowing me to install only the suite applications that I wanted keeping space requirements down and reducing the number of options in program menus. Because I download vast amounts of data, I really need all of the seemingly incidental options like being prompted to save a file to a default directory or a directory of my liking with a file name that I want as in SM 1.1.18. I love the ability to capture a web page I have uploaded to my web site and perform corrective / enhancement edits to it all in one environment. With over 60 online accounts that require user name and password entry, the password manager in SM 1.1.18 is absolutely indispensable. Because SM is used in a business environment here, stability is a must, and we have had that with Netscape, Mozilla Suite and SM up to 1.1.18. I am hopeful that once things settle down from the major changes that SM 2.0 required internally, and the volunteer staff catch their breath, we will see the return of some of our most liked options. -- Stan Gondek Multi Path Communications http://www.m-p-c.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: ...which brings up a good point - the changes in Thunderbird were/are actually for the better...on all but on point I can think of. This is surprising since we share the exact same mailnews backend code as Thunderbird 3.0. Phil Yes, but the interface options/functionality between the two is different - most notably in that I can drag and drop Account/NG order in TB, and I can't in SM. And I just discovered that in TB I can open a tab for each server/subscription if I want, and those tabs don't close at shutdown and the state is remembered at the next startup - I really like that. The only thing I've seen in TB 3.0 that I don't like so far is that the Attachment icon in the message tray is displayed too small - but that could be sufficiently addressed by making it scale in accord with the user set height of the tray. Function to the user makes all the difference - not so much what's under the hood. I'm becoming more inclined to start using TB more. I can't get them moved around and I have 2.0.1. Opps It actually does work in 2.0.1 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Confused about SM 2.0.1
Phillip Jones wrote: You actually have time for vacation?? :-) I needed to make time to avoid burn-out. And I could do so in November, those three weeks were worth every second. ;-) I just update to 2.0.1 seems to cleared up a problem I turned into Bugzilla a week or two ago. Good to hear! Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I need help with 2.0.1
SCShot wrote: I keep getting the following message when trying to doing to do anything: Please enter the master password for the Software Security Device. Any clue what is wanted? I have tried every password I can think of but none work. Quoting from the Release Notes: MailNews account password prompts are no longer serial at startup (Bug 338549) Workaround: If a Master Password is set and you saved your login credentials, only one prompt will appear at startup. You can disable this new behavior by setting signon.startup.prompt to false in about:config. You should be able to cancel the prompt(s) to get past them. Then you can follow the advice above. Also the email can not find my current email. How do I re-path it to the correct folder? From a MailNews window, choose Edit/Mail Newsgroup Account Settings, choose Server Settings below your server and change the path in the last text box. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit msg as new SM 2.0.1
On or about 12/16/2009 8:17 AM, z3c typed the following: Hi! Problem happens here, too. Adresscompletion when composing messages causes SM2.0.1 to hang. Disabled AC and it works. Probelm never occured before. Started w/ 2.0.1 - Happens on two different Windows XP systems. btw, I just have 2 addressbooks (collected and a personal abook). So imo this has nothing to do with the amount of abooks. my 2 cents z3c Athough I didn't pin it down to the problem, when I removed an address book to get under 15 of them I no longer had the problem. I imported a backup copy of that address book and everything was fine. According to more than one report - invalid characters within the address book might have caused the problem. I could not verify that since I had remove what might have been the problem book. Suggest you carefully look at all your entries or perhaps back them all up, then remove them, import them back one at a time, and see if the problem occurs. If and when it does the last book imported may be the trouble. Check it out for invalid characters. -- Ed Never be too proud to get down on your knees and pray. -Paul William Bear Bryant ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I need help with 2.0.1
On 12/16/2009 10:20 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote: SCShot wrote: I keep getting the following message when trying to doing to do anything: Please enter the master password for the Software Security Device. Any clue what is wanted? I have tried every password I can think of but none work. Quoting from the Release Notes: MailNews account password prompts are no longer serial at startup (Bug 338549) Workaround: If a Master Password is set and you saved your login credentials, only one prompt will appear at startup. You can disable this new behavior by setting signon.startup.prompt to false in about:config. You should be able to cancel the prompt(s) to get past them. Then you can follow the advice above. Also the email can not find my current email. How do I re-path it to the correct folder? From a MailNews window, choose Edit/Mail Newsgroup Account Settings, choose Server Settings below your server and change the path in the last text box. Are you sure that is what the OP wants? It sounds to me like a migration of the mail content from his previous version is in order. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit msg as new SM 2.0.1
BeeNeR wrote: Suggest you carefully look at all your entries or perhaps back them all up, then remove them, import them back one at a time, and see if the problem occurs. If and when it does the last book imported may be the trouble. Check it out for invalid characters. @z3c: Please follow that advice if possible. We need to identify the actual problem before we can file a bug, and that's a prerequisite for fixing it. BTW: One user in one of the German support newsgroups reported the same problem and I gave the same advice. Hopefully we can track this down together quickly. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problems with migrating addressbooks and folders from 1.1.18 to 2.0
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: To Daniel: Well, I must have done something wrong, as I managed to delete the profile as you suggested, plus all my 1.1.18 DATA! That's strange as well, but maybe you deleted the whole Mozilla folder instead of just the SeaMonkey one below it - and the Mozilla one contains _all_ profile of _all_ Mozilla-based applications, be it SeaMonkey 1.x, 2.x or even (if ever installed) Firefox, Thunderbird, or whatever. By the way, such errors are why I suggested _renaming_ in my post, not deleting. I know how easy it is to delete the wrong thing. And renaming has the advantage of being able to rename it back. (Also, having backups of all data is a very good suggestion, as not only personal errors can destroy data, programming errors or hardware failures can cause that as well, and having a place to restore data from can be very helpful.) If you're in the hard position that you really need to start up clean because your data is lost, you should try to do that on 2.0.1 though, so that you don't need to upgrade from 1.x to 2.x another time later on. Robert Kaiser To Robert Kaiser: Well, I had a man I trust come and clean out the mangled internet situation, and reinstalled 1.1.18, and downloaded 2.0. Now, before I do anything , I wanted to let you know I have almost nothing on this reconstituted version. Would everything transfer over to 2.0 if I were to reinstall 2.0, now? :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: message filters
Smiles wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Smiles wrote: Good day one of my email accounts is being hit by over 20 emails daily with ? marks of different length in subject and sender field. if I save one as text it is blank, so I set up a filter up to send all to trash by setting from value a a single '?' but nothing gets filtered out I'll take a wild guess that if you save the message and look at the actual data, that either an odd character set is being used, or one with a high bit set. In any case, it uses ? to note a character it can't display. A filter option for character sets other than a few user provided defaults would be useful. Running Linux I can do that filtering upstream of the user agent, so I just see it as a crap count in rejects. Ok finally I have checked three or four at random and jet a Indochinese or Japanese's language pop up which gives me the cause for this ? showing up. this one has me stumped edited*** From - Wed Dec 16 09:05:50 2009 X-Account-Key: account3 X-UIDL: 1260950638.V56dI85c0feM461884.sunfep2 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: X-Mozilla-Keys: Return-Path: mmz-orcv=65106362676842=2jiq6hk=415=---cut---...@magerr.combzmail.jp X-Original-To:CUT Delivered-To: CUT Received: from fipmb04.---CUT---.net (rdnat03 [192.168.200.207]) by sunfep2.--CUT.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597D22528 for ---CUT; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:03:58 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuUBAD8jKEvSvNcQg2dsb2JhbACBS4I8BJc9AQEBCgkMBRV/hzagIQGCXY1GgSyCKlUEgWKBGA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i=4.47,405,1257138000; d=scan'208;a=222967942 X-SBRS: 3.1 Received: from btb016.combzmail.jp (HELO r1237.ps.combzmail.jp) ([210.188.215.16]) by fipmb04.--CUT--- with SMTP; 16 Dec 2009 03:03:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 13687 invoked by uid 509); 16 Dec 2009 17:03:54 +0900 Date: 16 Dec 2009 17:03:54 +0900 Message-ID: 20091216080354.13685.qm...@r1237.ps.combzmail.jp To: ---CUT From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCS0wzJEY7JG8kMSQiJGo7VD5sGyhC?= merum...@wakeichi.com X-Ip: 205757989978135 Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCIiNBd05BTDVOQSIjQmc/TTUkSiFCXiF6GyhC?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQmhGc0NGISohWCU6JW8lJCQrJEskNyRjJFYhJiQrGyhC?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJEtGaUohQl4hWUVQPmwhKhsoQg==?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MagazineId: orcv X-uId: 6747335446484368694368342000 X-Sender: CombzMailSender X-Url: http://www.combzmail.jp/ ? ***end of paste What is meaning of subject line thanks every one The first part, =?ISO-2022-JP? defines the character st. If you have that set installed you would then see the subject in clear text. Unless you read Japanese you you not understand it any better, but at least it would be clear. I don't know if putting that string in a message filter for subject would work, I suspect not, but haven't tried it. I catch that in my upstream filter, along with a bunch of other things I can't read. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: Yes, but the interface options/functionality between the two is different - most notably in that I can drag and drop Account/NG order in TB, and I can't in SM. And I just discovered that in TB I can open a tab for each server/subscription if I want, and those tabs don't close at shutdown and the state is remembered at the next startup - I really like that. Fun... the drag-and-drop newsgroup reordering was implemented in a project done for SeaMonkey and just happened to be functional in Thunderbird code as well. It surely works in SeaMonkey 2.0.x and has been working in SeaMonkey development versions for ages. I'll have to try that in SM 2.0.1...I don't recall being able to get it to work in SM 2.0. The remembering of mail tabs is something we surely need to adopt as well, it works fine in the browser in 2.0.x, but with the load of other changes, we didn't have the time to make it working on the mail side as well in that release. Help to implement it is surely wanted! Robert Kaiser I've always had the SM Browser ask me if I want to close all tabs on close if I have multiples open (which I always answer yes to) - something else I'll have to try under 2.0.x...but I'm pretty sure that what it will still do. If it will do something else, well...there's yet another case of insufficient dialog in a dialog box. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: hawker wrote: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? Anyone out there a Seamonkey user who was not a Netscape users? As for me I started on Netscape 1.x though 4.6x then skipped to Netscape 7.x (6.x never worked well for me), on to Mozilla Suite and then Seamonkey. Firefox/Thunderbird never felt comfortable to me since I knew Netscape better and so I stay here with Seamonkey. I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey - all of which still work in Firefox I'm questing why I'm so resistant to go over th Firefox. Seamonkey just isn't getting the support it did when it was still Mozilla Suite unfortunately (a fact I don't want to accept). I'm also still, on some computers, still a Eudora user even though that program, with all that is great about it, is getting almost to the point of unusable with poor current standards support. So perhaps I'm just an anachronism wishing still for the days of 110baud teletype BBSs again ;) Anyone want to wax philosophical about this? Hawker I stay with it mainly for it's user configurable security features, and the fact that I like it for it's integrated browser/mail/usenet suite - it's convenient. But like yourself, I'm beginning to question my loyalty to it - particularly in light of the random changes to the interface which either deny me the utility I once praised, eliminate it entirely, or confuse me as to it's current state after it's alleged upgrade. There are a number of enterprise customers I support which still hang onto NS (in place of IE) in some situations because of some of that aforementioned configurability and functionality that I have personally been trying to get to look at Seamonkey (for it's comparable certificate handling, strong 128 bit encryption, cookie management, etc.) as an update/upgrade...but I'm not really sure I should continue to do that at this point. Some of those customers are now using Firefox in place of NS, but that doesn't really get me what I desire - these customers generally use MS Outlook, and so the suite concept doesn't sell with them. The lack of status information in the dialog boxes regarding the aforementioned attributes is certainly not reassuring to such customers...and then there's those stupid tiny buttons...and that's just two starting points of departure when it comes to addressing an enterprise user base... I may start paying more attention the Firefox/Thunderbird solution myself...I've been tinkering with TB 3.0 and so far I'm far more pleased with it than I have been with SM 2.0. If Firefox offers the control I like(d) in SM, I may just switch. If it's good enough for corporations, it's probably good enough for me. I use it because I don't wish to open two, three, four applications that end up taking more than Memory than SeaMonkey alone. I have FireFox as well when I just want to go to a site for a second or two. I like the convenience of when clicking in a URL in an mailto instantly switching to that page. In Firefox clicking a mailto comes up with a about Blank page, then Thunderbird opening then going to a Blank email widow without the email address in the mailto filled in been that way since FireFox 1 and Thunderbird 1 and still that way with FireFox 3 and Current version of Thunderbird. Even does the same in PostBox. So there is something inherently wrong with the code for mailto's. Making mailto links in FF/TB less than useless. I like the ability to go to ftp sites that's in SeaMonkey. I like the way Password manager and Tools Manager are on the tools menu. Not hidden in layers the the Preference. I do like the way we had a forms manager as in SM 1.1.x and sad that it removed because they didn't have the time, energy, know-how or desire to do a port of it in the new code. (Despite all the protestations otherwise by the developers, they decided because they didn't use it there wasn't a need for it so they dumped it.) Finally my 60 year old brain ain't fast enough to do 3 or 4 things at one time. look at a web page while typing an email. I like doing one thing at a time. I end up take more time to do several things at a time because I can't concentrate half a dozen things as well as one task at a time. (I am a uni-tasker not a Multi-tasker.) Back in the days of IE/OE on Mac I hated it. And I was sad to see Mozilla go to that Model. ...not a single point I could disagree with you on here! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: ...which brings up a good point - the changes in Thunderbird were/are actually for the better...on all but on point I can think of. This is surprising since we share the exact same mailnews backend code as Thunderbird 3.0. Phil Yes, but the interface options/functionality between the two is different - most notably in that I can drag and drop Account/NG order in TB, and I can't in SM. And I just discovered that in TB I can open a tab for each server/subscription if I want, and those tabs don't close at shutdown and the state is remembered at the next startup - I really like that. The only thing I've seen in TB 3.0 that I don't like so far is that the Attachment icon in the message tray is displayed too small - but that could be sufficiently addressed by making it scale in accord with the user set height of the tray. Function to the user makes all the difference - not so much what's under the hood. I'm becoming more inclined to start using TB more. You can for get that tab thingy I turned that off ASAP. I hate tabs worth a Passion. and the are memory wasters also. ...maybe that's a PC thing...I got no issues with memory and tabs on my Macs... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: ...which brings up a good point - the changes in Thunderbird were/are actually for the better...on all but on point I can think of. This is surprising since we share the exact same mailnews backend code as Thunderbird 3.0. Phil Yes, but the interface options/functionality between the two is different - most notably in that I can drag and drop Account/NG order in TB, and I can't in SM. And I just discovered that in TB I can open a tab for each server/subscription if I want, and those tabs don't close at shutdown and the state is remembered at the next startup - I really like that. The only thing I've seen in TB 3.0 that I don't like so far is that the Attachment icon in the message tray is displayed too small - but that could be sufficiently addressed by making it scale in accord with the user set height of the tray. Function to the user makes all the difference - not so much what's under the hood. I'm becoming more inclined to start using TB more. I can't get them moved around and I have 2.0.1. Opps It actually does work in 2.0.1 ...ok...then I better go try again! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: /snip/ You can for get that tab thingy I turned that off ASAP. I hate tabs worth a Passion. and the are memory wasters also. ...maybe that's a PC thing...I got no issues with memory and tabs on my Macs... No not at all. On both Windows and Macs, tabs actually use far less memory then the corresponding number of multiple browser windows. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: message filters
Bill Davidsen wrote: Smiles wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Smiles wrote: Good day one of my email accounts is being hit by over 20 emails daily with ? marks of different length in subject and sender field. if I save one as text it is blank, so I set up a filter up to send all to trash by setting from value a a single '?' but nothing gets filtered out I'll take a wild guess that if you save the message and look at the actual data, that either an odd character set is being used, or one with a high bit set. In any case, it uses ? to note a character it can't display. A filter option for character sets other than a few user provided defaults would be useful. Running Linux I can do that filtering upstream of the user agent, so I just see it as a crap count in rejects. Ok finally I have checked three or four at random and jet a Indochinese or Japanese's language pop up which gives me the cause for this ? showing up. this one has me stumped edited*** From - Wed Dec 16 09:05:50 2009 X-Account-Key: account3 X-UIDL: 1260950638.V56dI85c0feM461884.sunfep2 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: X-Mozilla-Keys: Return-Path: mmz-orcv=65106362676842=2jiq6hk=415=---cut---...@magerr.combzmail.jp X-Original-To:CUT Delivered-To: CUT Received: from fipmb04.---CUT---.net (rdnat03 [192.168.200.207]) by sunfep2.--CUT.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597D22528 for ---CUT; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:03:58 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuUBAD8jKEvSvNcQg2dsb2JhbACBS4I8BJc9AQEBCgkMBRV/hzagIQGCXY1GgSyCKlUEgWKBGA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i=4.47,405,1257138000; d=scan'208;a=222967942 X-SBRS: 3.1 Received: from btb016.combzmail.jp (HELO r1237.ps.combzmail.jp) ([210.188.215.16]) by fipmb04.--CUT--- with SMTP; 16 Dec 2009 03:03:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 13687 invoked by uid 509); 16 Dec 2009 17:03:54 +0900 Date: 16 Dec 2009 17:03:54 +0900 Message-ID: 20091216080354.13685.qm...@r1237.ps.combzmail.jp To: ---CUT From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCS0wzJEY7JG8kMSQiJGo7VD5sGyhC?= merum...@wakeichi.com X-Ip: 205757989978135 Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCIiNBd05BTDVOQSIjQmc/TTUkSiFCXiF6GyhC?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQmhGc0NGISohWCU6JW8lJCQrJEskNyRjJFYhJiQrGyhC?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJEtGaUohQl4hWUVQPmwhKhsoQg==?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MagazineId: orcv X-uId: 6747335446484368694368342000 X-Sender: CombzMailSender X-Url: http://www.combzmail.jp/ ? ***end of paste What is meaning of subject line thanks every one The first part, =?ISO-2022-JP? defines the character st. If you have that set installed you would then see the subject in clear text. Unless you read Japanese you you not understand it any better, but at least it would be clear. I don't know if putting that string in a message filter for subject would work, I suspect not, but haven't tried it. I catch that in my upstream filter, along with a bunch of other things I can't read. by upstream filter what do you mean and where? thanks ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Robert Kaiser wrote: hawker wrote: /snip/ There are a few, the biggest one is that Image Zoom 0.4 dropped SM support and 0.3x works on 1.1.x but not 2.x. What does that add-on do differently than the internal zoom functionality in 2.0 that also zooms images now? Robert Kaiser I'm not seeing any way to get SeaMonkey to zoom just images. From here it appears to either images and text or nothing. Image Zoom allows for zooming just the images. Am I missing the functionality in SeaMonkey? As I recall, Image Zoom also added a context menu item to zoom selected images. I may be wrong, its been some time since I used it. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: ...which brings up a good point - the changes in Thunderbird were/are actually for the better...on all but on point I can think of. This is surprising since we share the exact same mailnews backend code as Thunderbird 3.0. Phil Yes, but the interface options/functionality between the two is different - most notably in that I can drag and drop Account/NG order in TB, and I can't in SM. And I just discovered that in TB I can open a tab for each server/subscription if I want, and those tabs don't close at shutdown and the state is remembered at the next startup - I really like that. The only thing I've seen in TB 3.0 that I don't like so far is that the Attachment icon in the message tray is displayed too small - but that could be sufficiently addressed by making it scale in accord with the user set height of the tray. Function to the user makes all the difference - not so much what's under the hood. I'm becoming more inclined to start using TB more. I can't get them moved around and I have 2.0.1. That's what I thought, and what I remember for myself too - I can move them around in TB 3.0, but not in any version of SM...which is one more reason for me to like TB 3.0. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Security Update
On 12/15/2009 7:28 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.1 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Release Notes. Note: All SeaMonkey 1.x and old Mozilla or Netscape suite users are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0.x by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2009-12-15 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.1 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator I aleady have SeaMonkey 2.0 installed on Windows XP. Via FTP, I see seamonkey-2.0-2.0.1.partial.mar at 1.2 MB and seamonkey-2.0.1.complete.mar at 13.6 MB. What is the difference? If I download one of these to archive, how do I install it on Windows XP from my hard drive? I also see SeaMonkey Setup 2.0.1.exe at 10.6 MB. Why is seamonkey-2.0.1.complete.mar 3 MB larger? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NNTP problems - FIX
Jens Hatlak wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: OTOH the average user won't have to care about the two prefs that caused the problem here once the bug fix is available as part of the next release. Do you have any idea how elitist that sounds? Maybe you just got me wrong, please read on. Dozens of people have filed bugs, discussed this on servers, in chat rooms, and on other mailing lists. But they're just average users, and because this stuff means their user agent doesn't work they do care a great deal. And will the next time some totally undocumented option is needed to make some common task work. The tone of your average user comments shows how little you value other people's time. My point is that the average user shouldn't have to care about these prefs at all. At least not to work around bugs. The problem at hand is a bug, and as such it should be fixed. It's just that *in this particular case* dealing with these prefs helps to *work around* the bug until the fix is available (here: with SM 2.0.1, due next week). In many other cases there are no prefs, hidden or not, that help to work around a problem. Because this stuff might change is exactly why about:config should dump all available values. Or call it about:everything. People already know they may break something, and things may change, what's new? Prefs that do not appear in about:config unless manually set are prefs without obvious default, i.e. their default and type (!) solely depend on how they are used in the internal implementation. As I said, the implementation can change any day it is developed further. How should those be shown in about:config when they are not set by the user (in which case they already appear in the current situation)? How would the user know which type (string/boolean/integer) they are and what possible values would be? Frankly, in my opinion it should not be possible to have a variable in the table without defining a type. I know that's dreadfully old school, but I have decades of professional software experience to back that opinion. Just throwing things in without any documentation leads to many oh look at that! moments. OTOH, if a pref would be important enough to be useful for more than a very small minority or seldom edge cases, the developers would only have to define a default for it and it would appear in about:config by default. If you find a pref that you think deserves that kind of attention you can file a bug and request that. It'll depend on your reasoning whether it'll be accepted or not (and the reviewers, of course). All I'm saying is that making a pref visible by default just because it works around a bug that should (and was!) be fixed another way is the wrong way to go. If you say so. I don't see that having developers tell people how to disable compatibility check in the support group is somehow better than letting users see it, since it does have a default value. Or the general.useragent.extra.* values, someone might use them if they were visible. Perhaps a default empty value for strings would be good? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit msg as new SM 2.0.1
BeeNeR wrote: On or about 12/16/2009 8:17 AM, z3c typed the following: Hi! Problem happens here, too. Adresscompletion when composing messages causes SM2.0.1 to hang. Disabled AC and it works. Probelm never occured before. Started w/ 2.0.1 - Happens on two different Windows XP systems. btw, I just have 2 addressbooks (collected and a personal abook). So imo this has nothing to do with the amount of abooks. my 2 cents z3c Athough I didn't pin it down to the problem, when I removed an address book to get under 15 of them I no longer had the problem. I imported a backup copy of that address book and everything was fine. According to more than one report - invalid characters within the address book might have caused the problem. I could not verify that since I had remove what might have been the problem book. Suggest you carefully look at all your entries or perhaps back them all up, then remove them, import them back one at a time, and see if the problem occurs. If and when it does the last book imported may be the trouble. Check it out for invalid characters. Do you have mailing lists defined within your books? I seem to remember working around some issue by deleting and recreating my lists in a book, but I can't remember details, one of those fix it and forget it days. Sorry, I take tons of notes unless I'm in a hurry. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit msg as new SM 2.0.1
On Dec 16, 9:28 pm, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: BeeNeR wrote: On or about 12/16/2009 8:17 AM, z3c typed the following: Hi! Problem happens here, too. Adresscompletion when composing messages causes SM2.0.1 to hang. Disabled AC and it works. Probelm never occured before. Started w/ 2.0.1 - Happens on two different Windows XP systems. btw, I just have 2 addressbooks (collected and a personal abook). So imo this has nothing to do with the amount of abooks. my 2 cents z3c Athough I didn't pin it down to the problem, when I removed an address book to get under 15 of them I no longer had the problem. I imported a backup copy of that address book and everything was fine. According to more than one report - invalid characters within the address book might have caused the problem. I could not verify that since I had remove what might have been the problem book. Suggest you carefully look at all your entries or perhaps back them all up, then remove them, import them back one at a time, and see if the problem occurs. If and when it does the last book imported may be the trouble. Check it out for invalid characters. Do you have mailing lists defined within your books? I seem to remember working around some issue by deleting and recreating my lists in a book, but I can't remember details, one of those fix it and forget it days. Sorry, I take tons of notes unless I'm in a hurry. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot @Jens, thx, I'll see what will happen. Though you'll have to wait until you see my results as I won't be connected until Sunday - if anything went right with my current relocation and connectivity project ... @Bill, well there are some internal company aliases but no mailinglist as in announcement list . -best Frank ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey web page Composer
LDixon wrote: I'm glad that SeaMonkey has maintained Netscape Composer. But, I was surprised to find that it hasn't been improved at all, that I can see. It seems to generate better output, I'll give it that. Here are a few suggestions: * Put a scroll bar in the Format/Font menu, for speed. (I use Ariel and Verdana a lot!) You do know you can type the first letter of the name and it will scroll. I have a LOT of fonts installed, I know what you mean. I would love to be able to play groupings, so I could have all the pseudo-handwritten fonts in one group, the Gothic looking one in another, etc. But I never really thought of asking for it, most people don't care. * Put the font options (style, size, etc.) in the tool bar, as one sees in Word. I'd be happier if I could define a few personal choices where I specify the font, size, and color. Wouldn't ask for that, either, but would be neat. * When inserting images, don't make the the default Alternate text (I *never, ever* use that) - or else don't force making a choice. I would just really like to see this as an option. This is more annoying in email. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: ...which brings up a good point - the changes in Thunderbird were/are actually for the better...on all but on point I can think of. This is surprising since we share the exact same mailnews backend code as Thunderbird 3.0. Phil Yes, but the interface options/functionality between the two is different - most notably in that I can drag and drop Account/NG order in TB, and I can't in SM. And I just discovered that in TB I can open a tab for each server/subscription if I want, and those tabs don't close at shutdown and the state is remembered at the next startup - I really like that. The only thing I've seen in TB 3.0 that I don't like so far is that the Attachment icon in the message tray is displayed too small - but that could be sufficiently addressed by making it scale in accord with the user set height of the tray. Function to the user makes all the difference - not so much what's under the hood. I'm becoming more inclined to start using TB more. You can for get that tab thingy I turned that off ASAP. I hate tabs worth a Passion. and the are memory wasters also. ...maybe that's a PC thing...I got no issues with memory and tabs on my Macs... I use a Mac as well I've even used a program built into the Mac OS that monitors memory usage and over the years I verified that every time a new tab is opened more memory is used. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: /snip/ You can for get that tab thingy I turned that off ASAP. I hate tabs worth a Passion. and the are memory wasters also. ...maybe that's a PC thing...I got no issues with memory and tabs on my Macs... No not at all. On both Windows and Macs, tabs actually use far less memory then the corresponding number of multiple browser windows. Lee I have SM set to open new page in same window. opening in multiple windows is no better than in tabs. Tabs is basically new windows with tab stuck on it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. Congratulations! I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about using secure software. ;-) I think the operative word here is using rather than secure. People who perceive 2.0.x as hard to use aren't going to switch easily. I still have the old version for reading these groups and filling out forms. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 2.0.1 and Lightning
I updated Seamonkey to 2.0.1 and Lightning was incompatible. I downloaded the latest Lightning nightly and it won't load my remote calendars. no error message it just docent load. Is it working for anyone out there? -- Rob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: hawker wrote: /snip/ There are a few, the biggest one is that Image Zoom 0.4 dropped SM support and 0.3x works on 1.1.x but not 2.x. What does that add-on do differently than the internal zoom functionality in 2.0 that also zooms images now? Robert Kaiser I'm not seeing any way to get SeaMonkey to zoom just images. From here it appears to either images and text or nothing. Image Zoom allows for zooming just the images. Am I missing the functionality in SeaMonkey? As I recall, Image Zoom also added a context menu item to zoom selected images. I may be wrong, its been some time since I used it. Lee Regular zoom zooms everything. Image Zoom zooms only images and leaves text untouched. Also if some one sends you an image as an attachment that is so large you have to scroll side to side or up and down the is a menu choice Autofit and it reduce to fit screen. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey web page Composer
Bill Davidsen wrote: ---snip--- * When inserting images, don't make the the default Alternate text (I *never, ever* use that) - or else don't force making a choice. I would just really like to see this as an option. This is more annoying in email. If your creating an html email and and inserting an image *you* *do* have a choice the choice in fact says Don't use alt Text. Now if your creating a site you must use alt-text in order to be W3C compliant web pages and site. I've always tried to use Alt-Text for images since I purchased Studio8 (DreamWeaver/FireWorks/Flash/Contribute) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 and Lightning Update fialed
Well I found out that the update failed. It seems to have succeeded but now when I start SeaMonkey it is showing a pending update and when I restart SeaMonkey I get an Update failed message. I stille have 1.1.18 installed and Seamonket 2 is installed in a seperate directory. Rob Steinmetz wrote: I updated Seamonkey to 2.0.1 and Lightning was incompatible. I downloaded the latest Lightning nightly and it won't load my remote calendars. no error message it just docent load. Is it working for anyone out there? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Strange issue with email/newspost
I've noticed an issue and I don't believe it was in SM1. From time to time (and its not every time). I will send a post and in the pop up window that indicate progression of sending. it will end up with message saying copy complete. But the window does not dismiss. it continues to show progress as though still sending. And it will not dismiss until I close it. If I let it continue and check to see if sent it is; while progress bar is still running. SM 2 and now SM 2.0.1 on G4 1.67GB 17 Powerbook 1 MB DSL line. Any one else experience this. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Strange issue with email/newspost
On 12/16/2009 2:13 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: I've noticed an issue and I don't believe it was in SM1. From time to time (and its not every time). I will send a post and in the pop up window that indicate progression of sending. it will end up with message saying copy complete. But the window does not dismiss. it continues to show progress as though still sending. And it will not dismiss until I close it. If I let it continue and check to see if sent it is; while progress bar is still running. SM 2 and now SM 2.0.1 on G4 1.67GB 17 Powerbook 1 MB DSL line. Any one else experience this. This happens on SM 1.1.X as well. Just once in a rare while. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. Congratulations! I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about using secure software. ;-) Robert Kaiser What specifically are the security features of 2.0 and/or 2.01? I am willing to try almost anything but, there neds to be a good reason to do so. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:41:24 -0500, /Phillip Jones/: Back in the days of IE/OE on Mac I hated it. And I was sad to see Mozilla go to that Model. The goal was/is to boost the development of the Mozilla platform, the technologies behind, where the browser is the primary driving force. Focusing on another specific application which doesn't have such good support (read, there's no that many people interested and having time to develop, maintain, and catch up with the main platform) just holds the main development off. I'm glad SeaMonkey is providing some balance to that matter. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
On 12/16/2009 2:45 PM, John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. Congratulations! I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about using secure software. ;-) Robert Kaiser What specifically are the security features of 2.0 and/or 2.01? I am willing to try almost anything but, there neds to be a good reason to do so. I think you may be confusing Security Features with Security Fixes. Ever since the dawn of software (well, almost), there have been security vulnerabilities which can be exploited by those who wish to do harm and/or benefit at your expense. Each time one of these vulnerabilities is discovered, software makers work to close them. This type of cat and mouse game has really exploded with the advent of the Internet. I often hear people say something to the effect: If the software I installed 4 years ago was working then, why shouldn't I be able to continue using it? The answer is that 4 years ago, no one knew about all the security vulnerabilities that have been discovered in the last 4 years (note that the time period has been arbitrarily chosen for discussion purposes). The issue isn't that there are new security features in SM 2.0 (although there may be), it's that no one is continuing to apply on-going security fixes to the 1.1.X code base. Security Fixes is different from Security Features. What this means is that SM 1.1.18 is vulnerable to any security holes discovered by the bad guys since it was delivered, and it's only going to get worse as time moves on and new vulnerabilities are discovered. Note that this is true for all software of this nature; There is nothing particularly unsafe about SeaMonkey (as a product) in this regard. I hope this helps explain things. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
2.0.1 Update Failed
I have SeaMonkey 2.0 installed. When I check for updates it finds 2.0.1 and I install it. When I restart SeaMonkey 2.0 is still there and it still tells me that 2.0.1 is available. I have tried down loading the full package of 2.0.1 and installing it over my existing installation, and the same thing happens. Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 -- Rob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 2.0 update
When I opened SeaMonkey this afternoon it started automatically to update itself to 2.01. How do I shut off automatic updating? I don't want any software to update itself without asking me first. taz ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Strange issue with email/newspost
Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/16/2009 2:13 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: I've noticed an issue and I don't believe it was in SM1. From time to time (and its not every time). I will send a post and in the pop up window that indicate progression of sending. it will end up with message saying copy complete. But the window does not dismiss. it continues to show progress as though still sending. And it will not dismiss until I close it. If I let it continue and check to see if sent it is; while progress bar is still running. SM 2 and now SM 2.0.1 on G4 1.67GB 17 Powerbook 1 MB DSL line. Any one else experience this. This happens on SM 1.1.X as well. Just once in a rare while. I am having that problem too and have been wondering if it was just me. I didn´t have any problems like that in SM1. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/16/2009 2:45 PM, John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. Congratulations! I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about using secure software. ;-) Robert Kaiser What specifically are the security features of 2.0 and/or 2.01? I am willing to try almost anything but, there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think you may be confusing Security Features with Security Fixes. Ever since the dawn of software (well, almost), there have been security vulnerabilities which can be exploited by those who wish to do harm and/or benefit at your expense. Each time one of these vulnerabilities is discovered, software makers work to close them. This type of cat and mouse game has really exploded with the advent of the Internet. I often hear people say something to the effect: If the software I installed 4 years ago was working then, why shouldn't I be able to continue using it? The answer is that 4 years ago, no one knew about all the security vulnerabilities that have been discovered in the last 4 years (note that the time period has been arbitrarily chosen for discussion purposes). The issue isn't that there are new security features in SM 2.0 (although there may be), it's that no one is continuing to apply on-going security fixes to the 1.1.X code base. Security Fixes is different from Security Features. What this means is that SM 1.1.18 is vulnerable to any security holes discovered by the bad guys since it was delivered, and it's only going to get worse as time moves on and new vulnerabilities are discovered. Note that this is true for all software of this nature; There is nothing particularly unsafe about SeaMonkey (as a product) in this regard. I hope this helps explain things. I totally understand the older the version the more time folks have to hack it or what ever, I read about this on the Mozilla information page but, I have serious concerns about how smoothly newer versions will run. SM2.0 was totally unacceptable. I have no reason to believe that 2.01 will be any better. I am going to have to think on this for awhile. Thanks for the information. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: About SeaMonkey?
On 12/16/2009 07:45 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: Rob Steinmetz wrote: Does the About Seamonkey page update when you upgrade to 2.0.1? Yes. Mine says 2.0 and when I check for update I get No updates Available. Try again now that 2.0.1 has been released. ;-) When we say we are releasing on December 15th, then it means we are making the release public some time during that day in US Pacific Time zone, usually somewhat after 3pm in that time zone. Robert Kaiser And works for me :-) Thanks. Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1pre SeaMonkey/2.0.1 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: /snip/ /snip/ No not at all. On both Windows and Macs, tabs actually use far less memory then the corresponding number of multiple browser windows. Lee I have SM set to open new page in same window. opening in multiple windows is no better than in tabs. Tabs is basically new windows with tab stuck on it. No, you are simply wrong. Sorry to be so blunt, but its true. Have you checked this with the Activity Monitor running? Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: /snip/ I can't get them moved around and I have 2.0.1. That's what I thought, and what I remember for myself too - I can move them around in TB 3.0, but not in any version of SM...which is one more reason for me to like TB 3.0. If you are trying to reorder the newsgroupw within an account, drag and drop works fine on SM 2.0.1. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Strange issue with email/newspost
On Dec 16, 3:43 pm, Monica santamon...@hotmail.com wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/16/2009 2:13 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: I've noticed an issue and I don't believe it was in SM1. From time to time (and its not every time). I will send a post and in the pop up window that indicate progression of sending. it will end up with message saying copy complete. But the window does not dismiss. it continues to show progress as though still sending. And it will not dismiss until I close it. If I let it continue and check to see if sent it is; while progress bar is still running. SM 2 and now SM 2.0.1 on G4 1.67GB 17 Powerbook 1 MB DSL line. Any one else experience this. This happens on SM 1.1.X as well. Just once in a rare while. I am having that problem too and have been wondering if it was just me. I didn´t have any problems like that in SM1. I have seen this, occasionally. Seems more likely when sending a large (MBs) mail, lots of graphics. Have noticed it happened with a small mail soon after a large mail triggered it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Primary/Main e-mail address and additional e-mail address during composing e-mails in SM2...
Ant schrieb: There's a buton to set the default account in the Mail Newsgroup Account Settings: http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/781/default.png regards Um, isn't that set as default button? Mine is greyed out and I don't see how that will fix my problem to compose which multiple e-mail addresses correctly. I'm sorry, I got you wrong, thought you were talking about yor own email-Accounts and not the recipent of an email. That's a bug it seems, I saw similar posts today on th german support group, looks like noone filed a bug on bugzillA yet there... regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.asciiribbon.org/index-de.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: /snip/ You can for get that tab thingy I turned that off ASAP. I hate tabs worth a Passion. and the are memory wasters also. ...maybe that's a PC thing...I got no issues with memory and tabs on my Macs... No not at all. On both Windows and Macs, tabs actually use far less memory then the corresponding number of multiple browser windows. Lee ...which was what I would have guessed intuitively. I like tabs...talk about saving desktop space and providing easy access at the same time...tabs are good stuff! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: ...which brings up a good point - the changes in Thunderbird were/are actually for the better...on all but on point I can think of. This is surprising since we share the exact same mailnews backend code as Thunderbird 3.0. Phil Yes, but the interface options/functionality between the two is different - most notably in that I can drag and drop Account/NG order in TB, and I can't in SM. And I just discovered that in TB I can open a tab for each server/subscription if I want, and those tabs don't close at shutdown and the state is remembered at the next startup - I really like that. The only thing I've seen in TB 3.0 that I don't like so far is that the Attachment icon in the message tray is displayed too small - but that could be sufficiently addressed by making it scale in accord with the user set height of the tray. Function to the user makes all the difference - not so much what's under the hood. I'm becoming more inclined to start using TB more. You can for get that tab thingy I turned that off ASAP. I hate tabs worth a Passion. and the are memory wasters also. ...maybe that's a PC thing...I got no issues with memory and tabs on my Macs... I use a Mac as well I've even used a program built into the Mac OS that monitors memory usage and over the years I verified that every time a new tab is opened more memory is used. ...guess I've got enough onboard not to notice then...or care. I can have multiple tabs open, be broadcasting on Airtunes, and edit audio and not skip a beat. Out of memory?..close apps or buy more. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Strange issue with email/newspost
Il 17/12/09 02:15, rolfp ha scritto: I have seen this, occasionally. Seems more likely when sending a large (MBs) mail, lots of graphics. Have noticed it happened with a small mail soon after a large mail triggered it. Please vote this bug: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66861 -- Andrea XFox Govoni AIM/iChat/ICQ: x...@mac.com Yahoo! ID: xfox82 Skype Name: draykan PGP KeyID: 0x212E69C1 Fingerprint: FBE1 CA7D 34BE 4A53 9639 5C36 B7A0 605F 212E 69C1 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Strange issue with email/newspost
Phillip Jones wrote: I've noticed an issue and I don't believe it was in SM1. From time to time (and its not every time). I will send a post and in the pop up window that indicate progression of sending. it will end up with message saying copy complete. But the window does not dismiss. it continues to show progress as though still sending. And it will not dismiss until I close it. If I let it continue and check to see if sent it is; while progress bar is still running. SM 2 and now SM 2.0.1 on G4 1.67GB 17 Powerbook 1 MB DSL line. Any one else experience this. Yes - I've seen that on occasion with SM 1.1.18 on my 2.8GHz Core Duo Intel iMac (4G of RAM) under both Leopard and Sno-Lep. I have to do the same thing - manually close the Dialog window. When I check both my Sent folder and also check for my post, it has been sent and copied - sometimes I also get a second dialog box that comes up saying Copy Complete...bu I don't recall that it says anything about just what has completed. ...this hasn't to me happened for a bit, so I'm culling my memory. I've always assumed it was because of some issue with the outgoing SMTP server. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. Congratulations! I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about using secure software. ;-) Robert Kaiser Yup! I am careful. Have not had a virus since 1991. And that came from a floppy from my son. No trojans, no malware, no spies. I don't allow them on my machines :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. Congratulations! I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about using secure software. ;-) Robert Kaiser What specifically are the security features of 2.0 and/or 2.01? I am willing to try almost anything but, there neds to be a good reason to do so. Security features I not only like, but also recommend to enterprise customers include: 1) being to directly manually manage cookies, 2) having a Password Manager that uses (or at least used to user selectively employ...) strong 128 bit encryption when storing Passwords, 3) being able to directly and manually manage Certificates, 4) the fact that the previous Mozilla/Netscape architecture for handling Certificate is a gov recognized standard, 5) Junk Mail filtering, 6) flexibility/detail provided for user setting of Filters, 7) the previous ability to set rules for script handling for both Browser and News (which REALLY need to be re-implemented...), 8) ability to blocking entire sites or portions of sites, 9) notifications/alerts for secure vs non-secure sites, 10) no Active-X attack worries... ...crap, that ought to be way more than enough reasons when compared to something like IE. But there are more...one of which is that it's all FREE. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: message filters
NoOp wrote: On 12/16/2009 06:39 AM, Smiles wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp I _think_ you can create a header filter to filter on the charset. Of course it won't stop those from being sent to you, but if it works, you can easily tag them as junk and delete automatically. So, in your filters for the account: o New o Name: Content-Type o Click on the filter and go to the bottom of the dropdown select Customize. o New Message Header: Content-Type|Add|OK o Now select that filter from the dropdown, then click the center button select 'contains' and in the 3rd enter: charset=iso-2022-jp. You can use 'Perform these actions:' to test. First just have it tag the message move it to another folder. I've not tested as most all of my spam gets blocked at the isp I no longer travel to Japan. However I'll be happy to check if anyone in the group is from Japan and cares to send me an iso-2022-jp msg directly (just drop the .invalid and make sure you put SeaMonkey in the subject). thanks ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: /snip/ I can't get them moved around and I have 2.0.1. That's what I thought, and what I remember for myself too - I can move them around in TB 3.0, but not in any version of SM...which is one more reason for me to like TB 3.0. If you are trying to reorder the newsgroupw within an account, drag and drop works fine on SM 2.0.1. Lee ...I'm gonna go try that again...I seem to recall having tried once and it not working for me...but I could have miss-moused or something, and it was using SM 2.0 - I just updated to 2.0.1 on my MacBook Pro last night, and haven't had much time with it yet. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 update
On 12/16/2009 3:31 PM, taz043 wrote: When I opened SeaMonkey this afternoon it started automatically to update itself to 2.01. How do I shut off automatic updating? I don't want any software to update itself without asking me first. taz On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Edit Preferences]. In the Preferences window, select [Advanced Software Install]. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the checkboxes under Updates. Unlike some other update capabilities, however, you will then no longer get even a notice about updates. For SeaMonkey itself, updates are announced in this newsgroup. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
Rufus wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. Congratulations! I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about using secure software. ;-) Robert Kaiser What specifically are the security features of 2.0 and/or 2.01? I am willing to try almost anything but, there neds to be a good reason to do so. Security features I not only like, but also recommend to enterprise customers include: 1) being to directly manually manage cookies, 2) having a Password Manager that uses (or at least used to user selectively employ...) strong 128 bit encryption when storing Passwords, 3) being able to directly and manually manage Certificates, 4) the fact that the previous Mozilla/Netscape architecture for handling Certificate is a gov recognized standard, 5) Junk Mail filtering, 6) flexibility/detail provided for user setting of Filters, 7) the previous ability to set rules for script handling for both Browser and News (which REALLY need to be re-implemented...), 8) ability to blocking entire sites or portions of sites, 9) notifications/alerts for secure vs non-secure sites, 10) no Active-X attack worries... ...crap, that ought to be way more than enough reasons when compared to something like IE. But there are more...one of which is that it's all FREE. thanks--it has to run properly and I have not seen that in SM2.0 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: /snip/ I can't get them moved around and I have 2.0.1. That's what I thought, and what I remember for myself too - I can move them around in TB 3.0, but not in any version of SM...which is one more reason for me to like TB 3.0. If you are trying to reorder the newsgroupw within an account, drag and drop works fine on SM 2.0.1. Lee ...I'm gonna go try that again...I seem to recall having tried once and it not working for me...but I could have miss-moused or something, and it was using SM 2.0 - I just updated to 2.0.1 on my MacBook Pro last night, and haven't had much time with it yet. ...waddayaknow? It DO woik fer me in 2.0.1! Good deal... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
John wrote: Rufus wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. Congratulations! I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about using secure software. ;-) Robert Kaiser What specifically are the security features of 2.0 and/or 2.01? I am willing to try almost anything but, there neds to be a good reason to do so. Security features I not only like, but also recommend to enterprise customers include: 1) being to directly manually manage cookies, 2) having a Password Manager that uses (or at least used to user selectively employ...) strong 128 bit encryption when storing Passwords, 3) being able to directly and manually manage Certificates, 4) the fact that the previous Mozilla/Netscape architecture for handling Certificate is a gov recognized standard, 5) Junk Mail filtering, 6) flexibility/detail provided for user setting of Filters, 7) the previous ability to set rules for script handling for both Browser and News (which REALLY need to be re-implemented...), 8) ability to blocking entire sites or portions of sites, 9) notifications/alerts for secure vs non-secure sites, 10) no Active-X attack worries... ...crap, that ought to be way more than enough reasons when compared to something like IE. But there are more...one of which is that it's all FREE. thanks--it has to run properly and I have not seen that in SM2.0 It's doing pretty well on my Macs...I've only just started with 2.0.1, but that's gone smoothly so far as well - I think the biggest major difference is that the Mac install is just drag and drop to replace the previous app...that's gotta help the sitch. That said, there are still some interface issues that make a bit of my notes above unclear when it comes to making a recommendation with/for SM 2.0. These interface issues are clearly a step in reverse, IMO. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Happy with 2.0.1 now (Almost)
Bill Davidsen wrote: I think most users would agree that correct behavior is to ask when it's needed, and not at any random times. Even developers agree on that - the real problem is how to get the current infrastructure to do that. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Security Update
David E. Ross wrote: Via FTP, I see seamonkey-2.0-2.0.1.partial.mar at 1.2 MB and seamonkey-2.0.1.complete.mar at 13.6 MB. What is the difference? If I download one of these to archive, how do I install it on Windows XP from my hard drive? There are some instructions out on some web pages how to use updater.exe to apply MAR files - if they are talking about Firefox, they still apply here as well. The main way to apply them is to just use the internal update functionality (Help Check For Updates...), though, it knows where to get them and how to apply them, all by itself. The partial update only knows about the exact changes between 2.0 and 2.0.1, while the complete update contains all of 2.0.1 and can be applied to any version, not only the exact 2.0 release version the partial update applies to. I also see SeaMonkey Setup 2.0.1.exe at 10.6 MB. Why is seamonkey-2.0.1.complete.mar 3 MB larger? Different compression, the installer uses 7zip, the MAR format is defined with some less efficient compression format (don't know it by heart). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Phillip Jones wrote: Image zoom only affect images making them larger or smaller. Ah, OK, didn't know that. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problems with migrating addressbooks and folders from 1.1.18 to 2.0
John Boyle wrote: To Robert Kaiser: Well, I had a man I trust come and clean out the mangled internet situation, and reinstalled 1.1.18, and downloaded 2.0. Now, before I do anything , I wanted to let you know I have almost nothing on this reconstituted version. Would everything transfer over to 2.0 if I were to reinstall 2.0, now? :-\ It probably will at least offer to do that, yes. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
Paul wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. Congratulations! I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about using secure software. ;-) Yup! I am careful. You surely are not. The list of fixed vulnerabilites in 2.0.1 and 1.1.18 as listed on http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/seamonkey20.html#seamonkey2.0.1 and http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/seamonkey11.html#seamonkey1.1.18 are all things that your 1.1.17 version is vulnerable to, and there are a few others that were fixed between 1.1.18 and 2.0 that we are not yet sure where to list correctly on the security pages. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 update
David E. Ross wrote: Unlike some other update capabilities, however, you will then no longer get even a notice about updates. For SeaMonkey itself, updates are announced in this newsgroup. You still can manually go into Help Check For Updates... though to trigger installing updates yourself. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Security Update
On 12/16/2009 06:31 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: David E. Ross wrote: ... I also see SeaMonkey Setup 2.0.1.exe at 10.6 MB. Why is seamonkey-2.0.1.complete.mar 3 MB larger? Different compression, the installer uses 7zip, the MAR format is defined with some less efficient compression format (don't know it by heart). https://wiki.mozilla.org/Software_Update:MAR ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0.1 Update Failed
On 12/16/2009 03:26 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote: I have SeaMonkey 2.0 installed. When I check for updates it finds 2.0.1 and I install it. When I restart SeaMonkey 2.0 is still there and it still tells me that 2.0.1 is available. I have tried down loading the full package of 2.0.1 and installing it over my existing installation, and the same thing happens. Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 What OS version? Yes, I know you are on Windows, but which version of Windows specifically? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
default browser problem
Hi all -- At work we use Lotus Notes for e-mail. I also have Seamonkey 2.0. Today, I installed the old browser, Seamonkey 1.18. Now, when I click on a link in an email in Lotus Notes, nothing happens (used to open a SM 1.18 window.) I opened Seamonkey 2.0, and went to edit--preferences--browser and clicked on Set Default Browser, but nothing happens. Here, at home, that button is grayed out, and it says Seamonkey is already your default browser. But that doesn't happen at work. Out of curiosity, would I have to log in under my administrator account to do that? What do I do? (Have XP, SP3 at work). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: default browser problem
Jim wrote: Hi all -- At work we use Lotus Notes for e-mail. I also have Seamonkey 2.0. Today, I installed the old browser, Seamonkey 1.18. Now, when I click on a link in an email in Lotus Notes, nothing happens (used to open a SM 1.18 window.) I opened Seamonkey 2.0, and went to edit--preferences--browser and clicked on Set Default Browser, but nothing happens. Here, at home, that button is grayed out, and it says Seamonkey is already your default browser. But that doesn't happen at work. Out of curiosity, would I have to log in under my administrator account to do that? What do I do? (Have XP, SP3 at work). I meant UNINSTALLED browser 1.18 -- sorry. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Strange issue with email/newspost
Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/16/2009 2:13 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: I've noticed an issue and I don't believe it was in SM1. From time to time (and its not every time). I will send a post and in the pop up window that indicate progression of sending. it will end up with message saying copy complete. But the window does not dismiss. it continues to show progress as though still sending. And it will not dismiss until I close it. If I let it continue and check to see if sent it is; while progress bar is still running. SM 2 and now SM 2.0.1 on G4 1.67GB 17 Powerbook 1 MB DSL line. Any one else experience this. This happens on SM 1.1.X as well. Just once in a rare while. Any of the developers know what the problem is? -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
