disable the Java installation dialog?
We use Seamonkey (2.14.1 for now) at work and I manage it using locked preferences, a loginscript that creates a user.js, etc. We used to have Java installed on all computers, but now I have deleted it on most computers and only installed it in a few places where it is really required. Now, when visiting a website that uses Java on a computer where it is no longer installed, Seamonkey shows the missing plugins bar with a button to install the missing plugin. Clicking that button, it offers to install Java 7u10. When Next is clicked on this screen, it immediately shows a dialog informing that this has failed, and a manual install button that directs the user to the Java site where the plugin can be downloaded. It is OK that it fails to install the plugin, this probably happens because I locked the preference xpinstall.enabled to false. (or because it finds that it cannot write into system directories?) However, I would like it to act sooner. Is it possible to somehow block the button to install the missing plugin or to have it pop up a screen informing that plugin installation is disabled, instead of offering to install Java? We don't want the users to wander off into sites that offer downloads and waste their time on trying that (which will fail anyway). I am looking for a solution that can be scripted. Solutions like open the Add-Ons manager and click this and that are not useful for me. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Exporting messages
Interviewed by CNN on 13/01/2013 04:06, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: Of course, on Windows systems, at least those of recent vintage, an order to move a file or folder between different drives or computers is realized as a copy anyway. It has been that way for a long time... but it's not *quite* as you put it: it's not moving a file, it's dragging dropping a file. It's actually a bit annoying because the behaviour ends up being inconsistent -- depending on the exact circumstances, dragging dropping a file will result in different events. - Drag to another folder in the same drive: MOVE - Drag to a different drive: COPY It used to be worse -- in older Windows versions (I can't recall exactly when, but it may have been in the old Win9x variant), if you dragged a *program* file to another folder, it would create a shortcut instead of copying or moving. I got into the habit of always dragging with the right mouse button -- that way, when I drop the file, a pop-up opens asking me exactly what I want to do. Which is useful, because in my case, there are even more choices -- I use Herman Schinagl' Hardlink Shell Extension, so I also have options for creating hardlinks, symlinks and such. For the interested: http://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlinkshellext/hardlinkshellext.html -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Casio DataMemo. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.15 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Exporting messages
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 13/01/2013 04:06, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: Of course, on Windows systems, at least those of recent vintage, an order to move a file or folder between different drives or computers is realized as a copy anyway. It has been that way for a long time... The oldest version in common use nowadays is XP, released in 2001. I would count that as recent vintage, but perhaps you see it as a long time. Close enough. but it's not *quite* as you put it: it's not moving a file, it's dragging dropping a file. Dragging dropping is one of several ways of transmitting a move order to the computer. AFAIK, no matter how you tell it, the computer behaves the same way. Also AFAIK, the underlying structure of a move is: 1) copy 2) verify copy 3) delete original So the difference in case of different drives or computers is that the third step is omitted. The user must perform this step manually if desired. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Exporting messages
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: MCBastos wrote: Of course, on Windows systems, at least those of recent vintage, an order to move a file or folder between different drives or computers is realized as a copy anyway. It has been that way for a long time... Unable to believe that for one second, I created a top-level directory N:\To be moved, and shift-dragged it (i.e., move) to P:\ It was moved. It was not copied. The original is gone. Forever. Windows 7 Enterprise, 64-bit. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Exporting messages
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: Rename the old mailbox mailbox.old such as INBOX = INBOX.OLD and then move that file over to the new location. When SM is started, INBOX.OLD will be in the list of mailboxes. Simple matter now to copy/move the old messages to the new mailbox. Exactly what I would have done -- and have done before -- except that for safety, I would COPY the folder instead of moving it. If anything goes wrong, or you change your mind, you still have the original. Of course, on Windows systems, at least those of recent vintage, an order to move a file or folder between different drives or computers is realized as a copy anyway. Am I copying over the entire Mail folder? I see several files in that directory beginning with inbox: inbox.sbd (a directory) Inbox. Inbox.msf Which am I moving/copying? -- Jaime A. Cruz Secretary Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Exporting messages
Cruz, Jaime schrieb: [...] Am I copying over the entire Mail folder? I see several files in that directory beginning with inbox: inbox.sbd (a directory) Inbox. Inbox.msf If all you are interested in is the (old) Inbox, but not in subfolders, just copy the file Inbox. Inbox.sbd contains the subfolders. If you also need the subfolders, copy Inbox on the old computer to Inbox_old on the new one and Inbox.sbd to Ibox_old.sbd. Hope you get the idea. Inbox.msf is an Index of Inbox (etc), recreated on demand. HTH, Wolfgang Steger -- Do you know about being with somebody? Wanting to be? If I had the whole universe, I'd give it to you, Janice. When I see you, I feel like I'm hungry all over. Do you know how that feels? -- Charlie Evans, Charlie X, stardate 1535.8 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: disable the Java installation dialog?
Set plugins.hide_infobar_for_missing_plugin to true for now. It does not do exactly what I want (it hides the entire bar, not just the install missing plugin button) but for now it is adequate. I would still like to hear if it is possible to hide just the button. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Exporting messages
Philip TAYLOR wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: MCBastos wrote: Of course, on Windows systems, at least those of recent vintage, an order to move a file or folder between different drives or computers is realized as a copy anyway. It has been that way for a long time... Unable to believe that for one second, I created a top-level directory N:\To be moved, and shift-dragged it (i.e., move) to P:\ It was moved. It was not copied. The original is gone. Forever. Windows 7 Enterprise, 64-bit. Presumably these are virtual drives, not physical ones? I'd never tried it that way... -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: disable the Java installation dialog?
Rob wrote: Set plugins.hide_infobar_for_missing_plugin to true for now. It does not do exactly what I want (it hides the entire bar, not just the install missing plugin button) but for now it is adequate. I would still like to hear if it is possible to hide just the button. Rob, I have no idea where in the SM filing system to look, however I have learned that a lot of the display elements in the application are controlled by CSS attributes. The idea here is that if the button in question is Named you can assign a hidden CSS attribute to that button. The hazard is if the button is a group Named Button your CSS attribute would affect all such named buttons. Michael G -- Armadillo Web Development www.armadilloweb.com Cell: 903.244.3644 Opening your Door to Opportunity and inviting the world to walk through. Character is doing the right thing... Even when no one is watching... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Exporting messages
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Presumably these are virtual drives, not physical ones? I'd never tried it that way... Physical. Separate discs. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Exporting messages
Wolfgang Steger wrote: Cruz, Jaime schrieb: [...] Am I copying over the entire Mail folder? I see several files in that directory beginning with inbox: inbox.sbd (a directory) Inbox. Inbox.msf If all you are interested in is the (old) Inbox, but not in subfolders, just copy the file Inbox. Inbox.sbd contains the subfolders. If you also need the subfolders, copy Inbox on the old computer to Inbox_old on the new one and Inbox.sbd to Ibox_old.sbd. Hope you get the idea. Inbox.msf is an Index of Inbox (etc), recreated on demand. HTH, Wolfgang Steger Perfect! That's all I need to know. Thanks (Mom doesn't have sub-folders on her system so she won't have that Inbox.sbd directory). -- Jaime A. Cruz Secretary Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: disable the Java installation dialog?
Michael Gordon mgord...@earthlink.net wrote: Rob wrote: Set plugins.hide_infobar_for_missing_plugin to true for now. It does not do exactly what I want (it hides the entire bar, not just the install missing plugin button) but for now it is adequate. I would still like to hear if it is possible to hide just the button. Rob, I have no idea where in the SM filing system to look, however I have learned that a lot of the display elements in the application are controlled by CSS attributes. The idea here is that if the button in question is Named you can assign a hidden CSS attribute to that button. The hazard is if the button is a group Named Button your CSS attribute would affect all such named buttons. Michael G Do you know what is today's method to add CSS attributes to a customized installation? I remember there was a userchrome file in a chrome subdir of the profile, but it appears to be deprecated. And most of the visible files in the installation directory have vanished into compressed jar archives. Is there still a way to deploy customized css? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions
On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:47:17 PM UTC-5, bi...@cowboyneeds.com wrote: We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us customize much better than IE. Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and Email on right. We have multiple computers and SeaMonkey profiles, so consistency is important. Bill, if my interpretation of your situation is correct, re-set your display as you require the browser and e-mail windows and then, on each screen, click on the icon at the left of the title bar and one of the options you should see is to close the screen. Do so for each screen and, hopefully, when you re0open SM, things will be as you require!! Daniel, You have the correct interpretation, but your solution din not work. I did not mean to confuse everybody with task bar, but isn't that the bar at the bottom of the screen that shows which programs you have open? We require multiple programs to be open at once, and must change between them frequently. That is why consistency in location is important or else we always click on the wrong program. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: disable the Java installation dialog?
Rob:
Do you know what is today's method to add CSS attributes to a
customized installation? I remember there was a userchrome file
in a chrome subdir of the profile, but it appears to be deprecated.
And most of the visible files in the installation directory have
vanished into compressed jar archives.
Is there still a way to deploy customized css?
Well, you may test this userChrome.css belonging to the chrome
subdirectory of the profile. Be warned, you will not love it, *g*
- userChrome.css -
#threadTree {
background-color: yellow !important;
}
#folderTree {
background-color: green !important;
}
---
Hartmut
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Re: disable the Java installation dialog?
Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: Rob: Do you know what is today's method to add CSS attributes to a customized installation? I remember there was a userchrome file in a chrome subdir of the profile, but it appears to be deprecated. And most of the visible files in the installation directory have vanished into compressed jar archives. Is there still a way to deploy customized css? Well, you may test this userChrome.css belonging to the chrome subdirectory of the profile. Be warned, you will not love it, *g* Does that still work? It used to be created by default in a new profile but that no longer happens. And is there a way to deploy a .css in the installation directory, so it does not have to be replicated into every user profile? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Reading messages and read/unread status
Windows 7 ultimate For quite a while now I have had the problem that when I read a message the busy indicator, (little auroboros , circle chasing its tail), comes on and doesn't go out. Up until a couple of days ago, this did not seem to cause any lasting problems. i.e. I could go to another message, or another task as if the busy didn't matter. However now the read/unread status of the 'read' message, (green asterisk in status column) does not change i.e. remains on. If I am displaying the verbal/expanded text status column the status does not change. But if I manually click on a status asterisk for a message it does change properly and the verbal status in the text column changes as well. What do I need to do to correct the situation? - make the busy indicator behave properly - have the read/unread status indicators behave correctly? Can it be done, short of completely re-installing SeaMonkey? -- Rostyk ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions
b...@cowboyneeds.com wrote: On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:47:17 PM UTC-5, bi...@cowboyneeds.com wrote: We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us customize much better than IE. Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and Email on right. We have multiple computers and SeaMonkey profiles, so consistency is important. Bill, if my interpretation of your situation is correct, re-set your display as you require the browser and e-mail windows and then, on each screen, click on the icon at the left of the title bar and one of the options you should see is to close the screen. Do so for each screen and, hopefully, when you re0open SM, things will be as you require!! Daniel, You have the correct interpretation, but your solution din not work. I did not mean to confuse everybody with task bar, but isn't that the bar at the bottom of the screen that shows which programs you have open? We require multiple programs to be open at once, and must change between them frequently. That is why consistency in location is important or else we always click on the wrong program. Bill, Just so we know what we are discussing, on today's Microsoft operating systems, specifically XP, we have two type of Task Bars. The one in the bottom right corner, with the system clock, is the System Task Bar, and shows most applications launched at start-up. The one in th bottom left corner is the Quick Launch Bar, and is so called because it is configured to launch a program with One Click. To your question, with another question. Would it help to have two SM icons; each with a different program icon, and each separately opening either Mail, or Browser? Michael G -- Armadillo Web Development www.armadilloweb.com Cell: 903.244.3644 Opening your Door to Opportunity and inviting the world to walk through. Character is doing the right thing... Even when no one is watching... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java 7u10 vulnerability in browsers
Update: Oracle has released an update to close the door. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57563730-83/oracle-releases-software-update-to-fix-java-vulnerability/ -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java 7u10 vulnerability in browsers
Which analyst(s) say is still too risky to deploy : http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/13/us-java-oracle-security-idUSBRE90C0JB20130113 Personally I have deployed the upgrade but still left it disabled in my browsers. Philip Taylor Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Update: Oracle has released an update to close the door. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57563730-83/oracle-releases-software-update-to-fix-java-vulnerability/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java 7u10 vulnerability in browsers
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Update: Oracle has released an update to close the door. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57563730-83/oracle-releases-software-update-to-fix-java-vulnerability/ Hi, Thanks for this post. I attempted to down-load the newest Java with the security patch, and came to a dead end. I got an on-screen notice that this only works through WIN-RAR, for which I must pay to subscribe. Is there any other way to get this fix? (Oracle only supports CSI customers, whatever that is.) Thanks. Mort Linder ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java 7u10 vulnerability in browsers
Mort wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Update: Oracle has released an update to close the door. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57563730-83/oracle-releases-software-update-to-fix-java-vulnerability/ Hi, Thanks for this post. I attempted to down-load the newest Java with the security patch, and came to a dead end. I got an on-screen notice that this only works through WIN-RAR, for which I must pay to subscribe. Is there any other way to get this fix? (Oracle only supports CSI customers, whatever that is.) Hard to say without knowing what OS and version you're running. I went through the Java control panel in my Windows 7 Control Panel, and the update installed without incident. As for Win-Rar, you can get a demo version without paying and use it for as long as you like. It will nag you to contribute each time it starts, but it runs fine after you dismiss the nag. http://www.win-rar.com/download.html?L=0 See also Philip Taylor's response to my post. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java 7u10 vulnerability in browsers
On 1/13/13, Mort m...@cloud9.net wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Update: Oracle has released an update to close the door. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57563730-83/oracle-releases-software-update-to-fix-java-vulnerability/ Hi, Thanks for this post. I attempted to down-load the newest Java with the security patch, and came to a dead end. I got an on-screen notice that this only works through WIN-RAR, for which I must pay to subscribe. Is there any other way to get this fix? (Oracle only supports CSI customers, whatever that is.) I'm curious - what URL did you use to download Java? I just tried it worked fine for me http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp and click on 'Windows Offline (32 bit)' I wish Oracle would be clear about which versions still have known security problems. I've seen some info saying it's a problem with new functionality introduced in Java 7 other vuln. notices saying all versions. It'd be nice to know if it was safe [er?] using Java 6 instead... 6u38 here http://www.java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Changing the background color of the Lightning calendar
On 01/12/2013 11:31 PM, Dennis wrote:
NoOp wrote:
...
I recommend asking on mozilla.support.calendar and/or
mozilla.dev.apps.calendar. When you do, I'd also recommend that you
provide details... SM version, Calendar version, etc. It will save
others from having to ask you before offering advise.
Nevermind. I have it looking like I want now. Simple change of two css
files:
/.mozilla/seamonkey/##.default/extensions/{}/chrome/
calendar/skin/calendar/widgets/minimonth.css
and
/.mozilla/seamonkey/##.default/extensions/{}/chrome/
calendar/skin/calendar/common/calendar-views.css
Replaced all instances of #FF with the color of my choice.
Most likely the version of Lightning and/or Seamonkey would be rather
immaterial. At least when dealing with relatively recent versions of each.
Dennis
Cool! Thanks for the follow-up solution.
Side note: you can also turn on optimized accessability colors (just
makes them darker) in the Calednar preferences.
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Re: Java 7u10 vulnerability in browsers
On 01/13/2013 05:01 PM, Mort wrote: ... Hi, Thanks for this post. I attempted to down-load the newest Java with the security patch, and came to a dead end. I got an on-screen notice that this only works through WIN-RAR, for which I must pay to subscribe. Is there any other way to get this fix? (Oracle only supports CSI customers, whatever that is.) ... You downloaded the .tz ( tar zipped) file. Download the .exe file instead: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7-downloads-1880261.html If you'd rather not redownload, then use 7-Zip to extract the .tz: http://www.ofzenandcomputing.com/zanswers/1072/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions
b...@cowboyneeds.com wrote: We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us customize much better than IE. Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and Email on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and SeaMonkey profiles, so consistency is important. If your are talking about the Task Bar icons for the SeaMonkey programs (browser and mail) ... No. You cannot control how the icons are arranged on the taskbar. This is not a SeaMonkey issue, it it an OS issue. Learn to live with it and train your users. In Windows 7 a user can drag/arrange icons on the taskbar bar to re-arrange them. But not in XP. Still, you cannot control how a user opens/starts a program which is what determines how the OS sits the icons on the taskbar. And, frankly, why are you trying to have such granular control over this? If you'd simply train your users how to effectively use their systems you'd have no issue. Hmm. Well, on further thought ... If you want to get Draconian about it ... You could set up every system in the company with a custom boot sequence that loads the OS and then ... [yourdisk]:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -browser -P EdNew [yourdisk]:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -mail -P EdNew That might work. Haven't tested it. No reason to. Educate your users - it's much less work. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Sometimes I think it's a shame when I get feelin' better when I'm feelin' no pain. - Gordon Lightfoot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Exporting messages
Interviewed by CNN on 13/01/2013 12:30, Philip TAYLOR told the world: Unable to believe that for one second, I created a top-level directory N:\To be moved, and shift-dragged it (i.e., move) to P:\ It was moved. It was not copied. The original is gone. Forever. That's not what I meant. I meant simple drag-and-drop *without* holding a modifier key. If you simply drag a file or folder (no shift, ctrl or alt modifier) to the same volume, it gets moved; if you do the same to a different volume, it gets copied. The default behaviour changes depending on the circumstances. The ctrl and shift modifiers impose the same behaviour regardless of circumstances. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my scrying pool. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.15 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
