Re: Grippies

[WaltS48]

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Fri, 8 Apr 2016 01:52:09 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:

Thu, 7 Apr 2016 11:23:25 -0400, /WaltS48/:


The userChrome.css suggested did not work for me.


Yes, you appear right.  Sorry about the confusion.  The rules I've
given need '!important' declarations for when placed in
"userChrome.css":
[...]


Here's "full size scale" variant as a bonus:

@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul;);

#folderpane-splitter > grippy,
#threadpane-splitter > grippy {
  min-width: 10px !important;
  min-height: 200px !important;
  background-size: contain;
}

#folderpane-splitter[orient="vertical"] > grippy,
#threadpane-splitter[orient="vertical"] > grippy {
  min-width: 200px !important;
  min-height: 10px !important;
}



Well, that increased the size, but now I have 2 grippies in each splitter.

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Re: quote color in plain text reply composition

[Felix Miata]

Stanimir Stamenkov composed on 2016-04-07 00:49 (UTC+0300):


Wed, 6 Apr 2016 16:56:07 -0400, /Felix Miata/:



Stanimir Stamenkov composed on 2016-04-06 23:09 (UTC+0300):



[...]
span[_moz_quote=true] {
  color: [1];
}



Without backleveling to 2.39 or prior, I can't think of any way to
be sure, but I could have sworn that applied exclusively to message
viewing, not also to plain text message composition. If we're stuck
with that rule applying to both,



That applies exclusively to message composition.


Amazing how I missed that that is correct, since reading here I'm seeing blue 
and red quotes and nothing in #444. :-p



then what I need that I've been
unable to spot in Domi is a selector that applies only to
composition windows to override the generic I've had



span[_moz_quote=true]
 {color: #444 !important;} /* unblue quoted text in email */



Avoid '!important' rules unless explicitly necessary.  These may
play unwanted tricks on you.


Takes extra starting and stopping to figure out whether necessary, and with 
200+ tabs open, willy-nilly stops and starts are to be avoided as much as 
possible. It wouldn't be so bad if 13 year old 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=208641 would get fixed.



in userContent.css far longer than I can remember. For now I've
knocked the color down from #444 to #222, but I seriously cannot
remember seeing gray in composition windows above the .sig separator
before 2.40. :-(



Have you adjusted you monitor brightness lately? :-)


There is no "correct" brightness without adjusting at least twice each day. 
"Correct" is brighter when the sun is out, dimmer when no light comes from 
the windows. "Correct" requires too much futzing with too many barely visible 
physical controls on the displays I have.

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Re: Grippies

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Fri, 8 Apr 2016 01:52:09 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:

Thu, 7 Apr 2016 11:23:25 -0400, /WaltS48/:


The userChrome.css suggested did not work for me.


Yes, you appear right.  Sorry about the confusion.  The rules I've
given need '!important' declarations for when placed in
"userChrome.css":
[...]


Here's "full size scale" variant as a bonus:

@namespace 
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul;);


#folderpane-splitter > grippy,
#threadpane-splitter > grippy {
  min-width: 10px !important;
  min-height: 200px !important;
  background-size: contain;
}

#folderpane-splitter[orient="vertical"] > grippy,
#threadpane-splitter[orient="vertical"] > grippy {
  min-width: 200px !important;
  min-height: 10px !important;
}


I've tried these with no '!important' declarations working, but
applied via Stylish [1], actually.  I'm mostly using Stylish for all
of traditional "userContent.css" and "userChrome.css" customizations
ever since Bug 676054 [2] was implemented and then incorporated into
Stylish [3].  This is much preferred by me as it almost always
eliminates the need of '!important' declarations which often do more
harm than what they solve.

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/stylish
[2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676054
[3] https://github.com/JasonBarnabe/stylish/issues/78


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Re: quote color in plain text reply composition

[s7a...@netscape.net]

[Anyone knows why the original thread appears removed from 
news://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.seamonkey ?]

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 12:49:13 AM UTC+3, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> Wed, 6 Apr 2016 16:56:07 -0400, /Felix Miata/:
>
> > span[_moz_quote=true]
> >  {color: #444 !important;} /* unblue quoted text in email */
> 
> Avoid '!important' rules unless explicitly necessary.  These may 
> play unwanted tricks on you.

As I've accidentally found out one can omit the '!important' declaration in the 
given case, only when the style is applied via Stylish.  Placing it in 
"userContent.css" still needs to use '!important' to take effect.

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Re: Grippies

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Thu, 7 Apr 2016 11:23:25 -0400, /WaltS48/:


The userChrome.css suggested did not work for me.


Yes, you appear right.  Sorry about the confusion.  The rules I've 
given need '!important' declarations for when placed in 
"userChrome.css":


@namespace 
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul;);


#folderpane-splitter > grippy,
#threadpane-splitter > grippy {
  min-width: 10px !important;
  background-position: center;
}

#folderpane-splitter[orient="vertical"] > grippy,
#threadpane-splitter[orient="vertical"] > grippy {
  min-width: 115px !important;
  min-height: 10px !important;
}

I've tried these with no '!important' declarations working, but 
applied via Stylish [1], actually.  I'm mostly using Stylish for all 
of traditional "userContent.css" and "userChrome.css" customizations 
ever since Bug 676054 [2] was implemented and then incorporated into 
Stylish [3].  This is much preferred by me as it almost always 
eliminates the need of '!important' declarations which often do more 
harm than what they solve.


[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/stylish
[2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676054
[3] https://github.com/JasonBarnabe/stylish/issues/78

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Re: Can't get all contents on weather.com's web site anymore?

[WaltS48]

On 04/07/2016 03:24 PM, Ant wrote:
Yes. Even with Firefox. It is caused by Geolocation. Weather.com 
requires it to work properly. 


What is work properly? Being able to chose Share, Never Share or Not 
Now, which means having it enabled in about:config.


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Re: Can't get all contents on weather.com's web site anymore?

[Ant]

On 4/7/2016 10:25 AM, WaltS48 wrote:


Hello again. I just got a lame e-mail answer:


I suspect you tried clearing cookies and cache, safe mode and a test
profile.


Of course.



I did not have the site bookmarked in this version of SeaMonkey. I did
what she suggested by going to weather.com, told SeaMonkey to not share
my location for the site, searched for the airport in their search bar,
got the weather forecast and everything appears as it should.

Set the site as my home page. Didn't bookmark it, oh, and have an ad
blocker installed and active.

Did you try a different browser?


Yes. Even with Firefox. It is caused by Geolocation. Weather.com 
requires it to work properly. :(

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Re: Grippies

[EE]

Daniel wrote:

On 7/04/2016 7:32 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:32:33 -0700, /Frosted Flake/:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Tue, 5 Apr 2016 07:44:05 -0700, /Frosted Flake/:


Somewhere along the line I had the 'grippies' in the seamonkey mail
window made larger.  There are two that I am interested in; one
between the list of messages and mail accounts and the other below
the list of messages.

How do I change the size of these grippies to make them wider?


What View -> Layout are you using?  With all of the three options the
first grippy you list is a vertical one.  Making it wider would mean
making the whole vertical splitter wider.  The later grippy is a
horizontal one except in the "Vertical" layout.  Making it wider may
mean different things.  Which one you're after?


Both.  I want to make both a bit larger (wider, easier to select
with the mouse).


I'm still unsure if by wider you mean just thicker (depending on
horizontal/vertical orientation), but try placing the following rules in
your "userChrome.css" [1], and see if it is all you need:

#folderpane-splitter > grippy,
#threadpane-splitter > grippy {
   min-width: 10px;
   background-position: center;
}

#folderpane-splitter[orient="vertical"] > grippy,
#threadpane-splitter[orient="vertical"] > grippy {
   min-width: 115px;
   min-height: 10px;
}

Adjust the '10px' to your liking.

[1] http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css


 and, of course, reboot SeaMonkey so the UserChrome.css changes are
incorporated into prefs.js! :-)

That is not incorporated into prefs.js, but into the interface 
(controlled presumably by xulstore.json).


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Re: Open Other Browser

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On 4/5/2016 10:40 AM, OG wrote:
> While in SeaMonkey for newsgroups (mail) I click on a posted link and 
> SeaMonkey opens its web browser.
> Unfortunately SeaMonkey cannot handle the web page.
> 
> So how do I tell SeaMonkey Mail to open say FireFox as the defaut?
> 

If you have the latest SeaMonkey, it should render Web pages the same
way as Firefox.  Instead of actually using Firefox, have you tried using
SeaMonkey while spoofing Firefox?

The only problem is with Web sites that sniff the user agent (UA) string
and reject visits from browsers that have "SeaMonkey" in their UA
strings.  You can fool such sites and defeat their sniffing by having
SeaMonkey indicate it is Firefox.

Methods for spoofing other browsers have been extensively discussed in
this newsgroup.

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Re: Open Other Browser

[EE]

Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 05/04/2016 21:21:

OG wrote:


While in SeaMonkey for newsgroups (mail) I click on a posted link and
SeaMonkey opens its web browser.
Unfortunately SeaMonkey cannot handle the web page.

So how do I tell SeaMonkey Mail to open say FireFox as the defaut?


If it's just an occasional problem with a poorly coded page, simply
copy the URL from the location bar, launch Firefox, and paste it into
the location bar there.

If you want to make Firefox your default browser, sorry, I don't know
how to do that. AFAIK SM will always launch its own browser if SM is
open, even if the operating system knows to launch a different browser
when you open a URL.


"SM will always launch its own browser if SM is open" GRRR. SM MUST
send the page TO the DEFAULT browser  otherwise .. why is the use of
"default browser" if nobody respect this rule ?


SeaMonkey will handle whatever it can itself without calling on anything 
else.  I actually thought that was a great idea when I was just trying 
it out before making it my default.  The reason for having a default 
browser is so that a mail/newsgroup reader can call on the operating 
system to provide something to handle links in messages without having 
to specify what browser.


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Re: Open Other Browser

[»Q«]

In ,
Ray_Net  wrote:

> "SM will always launch its own browser if SM is open" GRRR. SM
> MUST send the page TO the DEFAULT browser  otherwise .. why is
> the use of "default browser" if nobody respect this rule ?

SeaMonkey's design comes from long ago, when pretty much everyone
thought self-contained internet suites were a good idea.  Growling
at it won't change that.  ;)


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Re: Open Other Browser

[»Q«]

In ,
OG  wrote:

> While in SeaMonkey for newsgroups (mail) I click on a posted link and 
> SeaMonkey opens its web browser.
> Unfortunately SeaMonkey cannot handle the web page.
> 
> So how do I tell SeaMonkey Mail to open say FireFox as the defaut?

I haven't tried it, but it looks like

should get you what you want.
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Re: Can't get all contents on weather.com's web site anymore?

[WaltS48]

Ant wrote:

Hello again. I just got a lame e-mail answer:


I suspect you tried clearing cookies and cache, safe mode and a test 
profile.


I did not have the site bookmarked in this version of SeaMonkey. I did 
what she suggested by going to weather.com, told SeaMonkey to not share 
my location for the site, searched for the airport in their search bar, 
got the weather forecast and everything appears as it should.


Set the site as my home page. Didn't bookmark it, oh, and have an ad 
blocker installed and active.


Did you try a different browser?

Vivaldi 1.0 stable is now available.


"   Ant
Subject: Website




APR 07, 2016  |  11:36AM EDT
LaToya replied:

Thank you for reaching out to us!As we are working together to resolve
this as effectively as we can, we are asking our users to make sure
you:

-Upgrade your browser and /or app to a more recent version.
“Maintaining an updated browser is very important for security,
assuring
that your web pages load properly and improves your overall web
experience.”
-Clear your cache
-Disable all ad-blockers
-Try a different web browser
- (If applicable) Delete The Weather Channel bookmarks. If you would
like to save a bookmark, please bookmark weather.com and navigate to
your desired location from the home page.

Please let me know if this issue persists.

Thanks for being a fan of The Weather Channel!"




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Re: Can't get all contents on weather.com's web site anymore?

[Ant]

Hello again. I just got a lame e-mail answer:

"   Ant
Subject: Website




APR 07, 2016  |  11:36AM EDT
LaToya replied:

Thank you for reaching out to us!As we are working together to resolve
this as effectively as we can, we are asking our users to make sure 
you:


-Upgrade your browser and /or app to a more recent version.
“Maintaining an updated browser is very important for security, 
assuring

that your web pages load properly and improves your overall web
experience.”
-Clear your cache
-Disable all ad-blockers
-Try a different web browser
- (If applicable) Delete The Weather Channel bookmarks. If you would
like to save a bookmark, please bookmark weather.com and navigate to
your desired location from the home page.

Please let me know if this issue persists.

Thanks for being a fan of The Weather Channel!"


On 3/24/2016 1:24 PM, Ant wrote:

I figured it out now. about:config's geo.enabled after noticing my
PrefBar's had this checked on the working weather.com web site. I was
able to reproduce the issue in both Firefox and my other computer's
SeaMonkey. :D

Now, let's go tell weather.com about it!


On 3/24/2016 11:01 AM, Ant wrote:

I just checked weather.com web site again, and it was broken again.
Argh. :( So, I exited SM and removed that "user_pref("geo.enabled",
false);" line in my profile's prefs.js. I relaunched it, it asked me for
my location (denied it fully and always), and it worked fine (for how
long?).

For those who have this problem, please try removing
"user_pref("geo.enabled", false);" line from your prefs.js after making
a backup of it (just in case). Does anyone know what is up with this?
Where is SM keeping its geo data? Why is it only happening on
weather.com? :(

Thank you in advance. :)


On 3/24/2016 2:08 AM, Ant wrote:

So, I messed with my old profile's prefs.js again to narrow down what
lines by eliminating them in groups. I got down to this line:
user_pref("geo.enabled", false);. I took it out and reluanched SM, and
SM asked me to share my location. I said no as always, and saw
everything. I tried to put this back (even the original backup), but
couldn't reproduce it. Where does SM keep its geo.enable datas for each
web site? Maybe that got corrupted?


On 3/23/2016 3:38 PM, Ant wrote:

Hello.

For some reason, my very old Windows XP Pro SP3 desktop PC's SeaMonkey
v2.40 web browser no longer shows everything on https://weather.com/.
Here is the current home page snapshot I see:
http://i.imgur.com/SsBxen6.gif ...

I tried clearing caches, cookies, disabled (extension/addon)s, safe
mode, enabling send referers, etc. A brand new profile show no
problems.
The only thing I haven't tried is resetting my settings back to
defaults. However, I did manage to narrow it down to the source.
Something is in my profile's prefs.js is causing it since I tried
renaming it to see its results, but I can't figure out what is in it to
cause the symptoms.

Also, other web sites do not have problems too. Just weather.com. Using
my old Debian (stable/Jessie)/Linux box's 64-bit SM v2.40, with its old
profile, did not have any problems too.

Thank you in advance. :)



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Re: Grippies

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Ed Mullen wrote:

If you're just wanting to size the pane you don't have to grab the
grippie: just grab the bar that it's on.  If you click the grippie it
will collapse the pane. Click again to restore.


Or just grab the panel frame anywhere along its length, the grippie is 
more ornamental except for the onclick behavior that Ed describes.


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Re: Grippies

[WaltS48]

On 04/07/2016 11:17 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 4/6/2016 4:32 PM, Frosted Flake's fingers rattled off:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Tue, 5 Apr 2016 07:44:05 -0700, /Frosted Flake/:


Somewhere along the line I had the 'grippies' in the seamonkey mail
window made larger.  There are two that I am interested in; one
between the list of messages and mail accounts and the other below
the list of messages.

How do I change the size of these grippies to make them wider?


What View -> Layout are you using?  With all of the three options the
first grippy you list is a vertical one.  Making it wider would mean
making the whole vertical splitter wider.  The later grippy is a
horizontal one except in the "Vertical" layout.  Making it wider may
mean different things.  Which one you're after?


Both.  I want to make both a bit larger (wider, easier to select with
the mouse).




If you're just wanting to size the pane you don't have to grab the 
grippie: just grab the bar that it's on.  If you click the grippie it 
will collapse the pane. Click again to restore.




I think they want to enlarge the size of the bars because they have 
trouble doing what you suggest with them at the default size.


The userChrome.css suggested did not work for me.

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Re: Grippies

[Ed Mullen]

On 4/6/2016 4:32 PM, Frosted Flake's fingers rattled off:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Tue, 5 Apr 2016 07:44:05 -0700, /Frosted Flake/:


Somewhere along the line I had the 'grippies' in the seamonkey mail
window made larger.  There are two that I am interested in; one
between the list of messages and mail accounts and the other below
the list of messages.

How do I change the size of these grippies to make them wider?


What View -> Layout are you using?  With all of the three options the
first grippy you list is a vertical one.  Making it wider would mean
making the whole vertical splitter wider.  The later grippy is a
horizontal one except in the "Vertical" layout.  Making it wider may
mean different things.  Which one you're after?


Both.  I want to make both a bit larger (wider, easier to select with
the mouse).




If you're just wanting to size the pane you don't have to grab the 
grippie: just grab the bar that it's on.  If you click the grippie it 
will collapse the pane. Click again to restore.


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Re: Grippies

[Ed Mullen]

On 4/7/2016 1:44 AM, Daniel's fingers rattled off:

On 6/04/2016 10:11 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 04/06/2016 03:09 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 6/04/2016 10:58 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

Frosted Flake wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 4/5/2016 9:44 AM, Frosted Flake wrote:

Somewhere along the line I had the 'grippies' in the seamonkey
mail window made larger.  There are two that I am interested in;
one between the list of messages and mail accounts and the other
below the list of messages.

How do I change the size of these grippies to make them wider?



I don't understand what you are talking about.
*CAUTION* I started with Netscape 4.? and with each upgrade have made
effort to keep the same look-n-feel.

My set-up is a pane of mail and newsgroup folders. The right side is
divided horizontally in 2 panes.

The top pane displays the subject lines and authors of the folder
selected in left pane.
The lower pane displays the body of message selected in pane above.

What are the "grippies" you mention?




The things in the center of the divider.  They have a filled arrow at
each end and a series of dots between them



And it appears you have to enable the Modern theme to see them. No?

I certainly did not when using the default theme.


Walt, I'm on SM Default Theme and certainly do have the grippies ...
not that I've used them in yonks!!

Daniel




In the borders between the Folder pane and the Thread/Message panes to
the right of it,


with the little arrowheads pointing to the accounts pane on the left ...


  and between the Thread pane and Message pane below it?


with the little arrowheads pointing up towards the threads pane.



The arrows point down toward the message pane. ;-)


It could be my choice of GTK3 theme on Linux. I see them using the
Modern theme, but not the Default theme in SeaMonkey.


This is on my Win7 WOW64 install, but I'd expect it's the same on my
Mageia Linux x86_64 install!




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Re: Bing maps

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Ron wrote:

Seamonkey 2.39 Is it just me or does the page fail to load properly I
get 8 white squares on the map & search doesn't work


Cleared my cookies for Bing It it seems to work now
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Re: Open Other Browser

[Daniel]

On 7/04/2016 4:43 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 05/04/2016 21:21:

OG wrote:


While in SeaMonkey for newsgroups (mail) I click on a posted link and
SeaMonkey opens its web browser.
Unfortunately SeaMonkey cannot handle the web page.

So how do I tell SeaMonkey Mail to open say FireFox as the defaut?


If it's just an occasional problem with a poorly coded page, simply
copy the URL from the location bar, launch Firefox, and paste it into
the location bar there.

If you want to make Firefox your default browser, sorry, I don't know
how to do that. AFAIK SM will always launch its own browser if SM is
open, even if the operating system knows to launch a different browser
when you open a URL.


"SM will always launch its own browser if SM is open" GRRR. SM MUST
send the page TO the DEFAULT browser  otherwise .. why is the use of
"default browser" if nobody respect this rule ?


Ray, it is possible to use a different browser while using SM as your 
e-mail/news agent, it's just a matter of finding the right pref to alter.


I'm thinking it might be *browser.link.open_external* but cannot be 
certain, and of course, as you're on Windows, as well as altering the SM 
pref, you would have to set Firefox or whatever as your default browser. 
And this setting would then apply all the time whilst you use a 
particular SM profile!


Further reading at http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries seems 
to indicate that *browser.link.open_external* determines what will 
happen if I click on a link in, say, in an MSOffice document, which is 
not what you want  but I know it's there, somewhere!


Don't know!! ;-(

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: Open Other Browser

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 05/04/2016 21:21:

OG wrote:


While in SeaMonkey for newsgroups (mail) I click on a posted link and
SeaMonkey opens its web browser.
Unfortunately SeaMonkey cannot handle the web page.

So how do I tell SeaMonkey Mail to open say FireFox as the default?


If it's just an occasional problem with a poorly coded page, simply
copy the URL from the location bar, launch Firefox, and paste it into
the location bar there.

If you want to make Firefox your default browser, sorry, I don't know
how to do that. AFAIK SM will always launch its own browser if SM is
open, even if the operating system knows to launch a different browser
when you open a URL.


"SM will always launch its own browser if SM is open" GRRR. SM MUST
send the page TO the DEFAULT browser  otherwise .. why is the use of
"default browser" if nobody respect this rule ?


Most programs will open file types they know how to open if you try to 
open them from within those programs. If you're in Excel and try to open 
a .csv file, Excel will try to do it itself, and if you're in Word and 
try to open a .txt file, Word will try to do it itself. In fact, most 
programs will even try to open unfamiliar types and fail if you try to 
open them from within those programs. So if you're in SM and you try to 
open a web page, how is it any surprise that SM tries to do it itself? 
Remember, SM thinks it's a browser, and with good reason.


But if you try to open a web link from the operating system (e.g., from 
a Windows Explorer listing), the OS will look up the default program and 
use that.


I seem to recall someone here had a trick for what you want, but I don't 
recall what it was. Until they notice this and answer, I'll just refer 
you back to the first paragraph of my original reply.


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Re: Open Other Browser

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 05/04/2016 21:21:

OG wrote:


While in SeaMonkey for newsgroups (mail) I click on a posted link and
SeaMonkey opens its web browser.
Unfortunately SeaMonkey cannot handle the web page.

So how do I tell SeaMonkey Mail to open say FireFox as the defaut?


If it's just an occasional problem with a poorly coded page, simply 
copy the URL from the location bar, launch Firefox, and paste it into 
the location bar there.


If you want to make Firefox your default browser, sorry, I don't know 
how to do that. AFAIK SM will always launch its own browser if SM is 
open, even if the operating system knows to launch a different browser 
when you open a URL.


"SM will always launch its own browser if SM is open" GRRR. SM MUST 
send the page TO the DEFAULT browser  otherwise .. why is the use of 
"default browser" if nobody respect this rule ?

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