Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Antman008 wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Ant schrieb: I know this has been discussed before a while ago with v2.0.5 updater, but is it me or did v2.0.5 did not prompt me that there is an 2.0.6 update? We never did prompt for 2.0.x security updates, so why should we start now? Robert Kaiser Robert, I know in the past I had seen prompts. Just my 2 cents on this whole matter... Of course I want the latest updates, and of course I want to install them as soon as it is convenient, but the reason I would like to be informed first is that I used SM for work. I don't want to be in a presentation to a room full of people, and when I start my browser to look up something online, it starts updating itself. That's going to #1 delay my progress and waste my viewers time, and #2, cause me to lose more time while I stop to notify my companies virus scanner that this new program that is installing itself is not a malignant program. It takes a few minutes for me to train the virus checker not to attack new versions of SM when they install. I just want to make sure I'm at a good stop point to do that. I don't let Microsoft automatically update my Windows system either. I let MS notify me that an update is available, and then, at a time of my choosing, I install the updates as soon as possible. It's not about being un-secure or un-safe on the internet... it's about allowing the user to stop whatever work he's doing at that moment, save his progress, and then apply the update when he is ready. I can't remember how far back it was (or what version it was), but I remember one of these SM udpates had an issue that was identified and quickly fixed. That update prompted, and I didn't install right away, but I was lucky enough to read the forums beforehand and waited until the fixed version went online. If everything had been auto-updated, that could have been a bigger problem than it turned out to be. Anyway, just my 2 cents. I appreciate all the work the SM team does, and I really like the software... but the option for a prompt would make the tool more pleasant for everyone involved. Thx, Antman008 My suggestion would be that when my SeaMonkey gets notified there is an update available, a screen pops up asking if we wanted to download and install the update, with buttons for Download Now, apply at next start up and Tell me next time I start up and Don't Bother Telling me, or that sort of thing, anyway. Now if only I had the skill and could set this up... Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Ant schrieb: I know this has been discussed before a while ago with v2.0.5 updater, but is it me or did v2.0.5 did not prompt me that there is an 2.0.6 update? We never did prompt for 2.0.x security updates, so why should we start now? Robert Kaiser Robert, I know in the past I had seen prompts. Just my 2 cents on this whole matter... Of course I want the latest updates, and of course I want to install them as soon as it is convenient, but the reason I would like to be informed first is that I used SM for work. I don't want to be in a presentation to a room full of people, and when I start my browser to look up something online, it starts updating itself. That's going to #1 delay my progress and waste my viewers time, and #2, cause me to lose more time while I stop to notify my companies virus scanner that this new program that is installing itself is not a malignant program. It takes a few minutes for me to train the virus checker not to attack new versions of SM when they install. I just want to make sure I'm at a good stop point to do that. I don't let Microsoft automatically update my Windows system either. I let MS notify me that an update is available, and then, at a time of my choosing, I install the updates as soon as possible. It's not about being un-secure or un-safe on the internet... it's about allowing the user to stop whatever work he's doing at that moment, save his progress, and then apply the update when he is ready. I can't remember how far back it was (or what version it was), but I remember one of these SM udpates had an issue that was identified and quickly fixed. That update prompted, and I didn't install right away, but I was lucky enough to read the forums beforehand and waited until the fixed version went online. If everything had been auto-updated, that could have been a bigger problem than it turned out to be. Anyway, just my 2 cents. I appreciate all the work the SM team does, and I really like the software... but the option for a prompt would make the tool more pleasant for everyone involved. Thx, Antman008 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
On 7/25/2010 12:25 PM PT, Philip Chee typed: I don't mind to be notified about updates but I don't want to be forced. Let me decide to get them or not. As Jens already pointed out, in 2.1 there will be graphical preferences UI for that (there is a hidden one in 2.0, look it up in his post). Oh good. Thanks. :) Having said that I hear that the Firefox devs are going to change the way the update prefs work. And I just added the prefs to the UI bleah. Uh, what are they changing in it? :( -- For an ant to have wings would be his (her) undoing. --Iranian /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Ant schrieb: On 7/25/2010 12:25 PM PT, Philip Chee typed: Having said that I hear that the Firefox devs are going to change the way the update prefs work. And I just added the prefs to the UI bleah. Uh, what are they changing in it? :( Only how updates work. The ability to set a pref and get prompted still will exists, FWIW. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
d...@kd4e.com wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Ed Mullen schrieb: Perhaps because I don't want YOU to change MY system? Perhaps I just want YOU to be safe on the Internet? well, I certainly appreciate your concern for my well being. Although, I'm happy (and prefer) to take personal responsibility for my own security. Anyhow, there's a hidden pref somewhere to make us prompt and destroy your security, but go find it yourself, I won't waste my time on looking it up. I didn't say I wouldn't update. I'm simply objecting to the practice of sw modifying itself without warning. I am puzzled. In the Linux version of Seamonkey there has always been a place to toggle whether one wants to be asked prior to updates or to allow them to be done automatically - in fact I recall an option to check for them or not. Have those options been removed? Or do some updates bypass them? doc, I also am on linux and I think you will find that these security updates happen automatically!! One day you start up SM and it tells you it's checking things and the next thing you notice you are using the new version of SM! What version do you think you are using, doc?? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
On 7/24/2010 3:27 PM PT, Robert Kaiser typed: Ant schrieb: I don't mind to be notified about updates but I don't want to be forced. Let me decide to get them or not. As Jens already pointed out, in 2.1 there will be graphical preferences UI for that (there is a hidden one in 2.0, look it up in his post). Oh good. Thanks. :) -- You're kissing an ant hill. --Mike Nelson /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
On 25/07/2010 22:14, Ant wrote: On 7/24/2010 3:27 PM PT, Robert Kaiser typed: Ant schrieb: I don't mind to be notified about updates but I don't want to be forced. Let me decide to get them or not. As Jens already pointed out, in 2.1 there will be graphical preferences UI for that (there is a hidden one in 2.0, look it up in his post). Oh good. Thanks. :) Having said that I hear that the Firefox devs are going to change the way the update prefs work. And I just added the prefs to the UI bleah. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]Madness takes its toll - please have exact change * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
I am using 2.0.5 and Seamonkey never checks for anything because
I turned that feature off.
Why, does it make changes to version and not increment the number?
Daniel wrote:
d...@kd4e.com wrote:
Ed Mullen wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Ed Mullen schrieb:
Perhaps because I don't want YOU to change MY system?
Perhaps I just want YOU to be safe on the Internet?
well, I certainly appreciate your concern for my well being. Although,
I'm happy (and prefer) to take personal responsibility for my own
security.
Anyhow, there's a hidden pref somewhere to make us prompt and destroy
your security, but go find it yourself, I won't waste my time on
looking
it up.
I didn't say I wouldn't update. I'm simply objecting to the practice of
sw modifying itself without warning.
I am puzzled. In the Linux version of Seamonkey there
has always been a place to toggle whether one wants to
be asked prior to updates or to allow them to be done
automatically - in fact I recall an option to check
for them or not.
Have those options been removed?
Or do some updates bypass them?
doc, I also am on linux and I think you will find that these security
updates happen automatically!! One day you start up SM and it tells you
it's checking things and the next thing you notice you are using the new
version of SM!
What version do you think you are using, doc??
Daniel
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Ed Mullen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Daniel schrieb: Ant wrote: On 7/21/2010 8:32 PM PT, Daniel typed: Antman, if you have a look at Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Software installation, you may may be able to set things up the way you want!! May!! Daniel, I don't see an option to automatically/silent install or prompt before installing. When I brought up a similar line of discussion a while back, I think the line put out was These are security updates, they are good for you, you don't need to know about it, it will just happen!. I can, sort of, see the point, but if there are still people using SM 1.x.x because they don't like some of the additional/subtractions, there might also be those that want to stick with 2.0.4 and not upgrade, but they don't get that option. Why? 2.0.x security updates don't introduce any functional changes, only security and stability updates as well as fixes to annoying actual bugs. I see no reason why anyone would want to stay on more broken releases with the same functionality. Perhaps because I don't want YOU to change MY system? Especially without asking me. This is the kind of thing for which Microsoft and other Big Brother type entities have been criticized. That an Open Source initiative should do it is, well, strange, to say the least. And, I will say, MS has given me the choice. Windows can be set to alert me to updates and ask me if I want to apply them. And I have the choice. It is MY computer. It is MY software. How much more simply can this be expressed? Do not screw with my system. Simply ask me. How hard is that? It's called hubris, the belief that one has God-like powers. Robert believes that his team is so smart that no one could possibly hack the system used for auto update and then install a compromised version instead of the real thing. The only way to be safe is to control what you put on your own computer, and not let anyone, the government, the OS vendor, or the app vendor. There are two rules for security: 1 - never let someone untrusted control your computer in any way 2 - never trust anyone -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Bill Davidsen schrieb: It's called hubris, the belief that one has God-like powers. Robert believes that his team is so smart that no one could possibly hack the system used for auto update and then install a compromised version instead of the real thing. Good to know that you can read my mind and my subconsciousness. Next time I'm unsure of what my mind is up to or I possibly want someone else's mind read, I'll contact you. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
On 7/23/2010 8:04 AM PT, Ed Mullen typed: Perhaps because I don't want YOU to change MY system? Perhaps I just want YOU to be safe on the Internet? well, I certainly appreciate your concern for my well being. Although, I'm happy (and prefer) to take personal responsibility for my own security. Anyhow, there's a hidden pref somewhere to make us prompt and destroy your security, but go find it yourself, I won't waste my time on looking it up. I didn't say I wouldn't update. I'm simply objecting to the practice of sw modifying itself without warning. Ditto. I don't mind to be notified about updates but I don't want to be forced. Let me decide to get them or not. -- You feel the faint grit of ants beneath your shoes, but keep on walking because in this world you have to decide what you're willing to kill. --Tony Hoagland from Candlelight /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is/was listening to a song on this computer: JohnnyFrizz - Intermezzo Remix (ID: 349004) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Ant schrieb: I don't mind to be notified about updates but I don't want to be forced. Let me decide to get them or not. As Jens already pointed out, in 2.1 there will be graphical preferences UI for that (there is a hidden one in 2.0, look it up in his post). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Ed Mullen schrieb: Perhaps because I don't want YOU to change MY system? Perhaps I just want YOU to be safe on the Internet? Anyhow, there's a hidden pref somewhere to make us prompt and destroy your security, but go find it yourself, I won't waste my time on looking it up. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Ed Mullen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Daniel schrieb: Ant wrote: On 7/21/2010 8:32 PM PT, Daniel typed: Antman, if you have a look at Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Software installation, you may may be able to set things up the way you want!! May!! Daniel, I don't see an option to automatically/silent install or prompt before installing. When I brought up a similar line of discussion a while back, I think the line put out was These are security updates, they are good for you, you don't need to know about it, it will just happen!. I can, sort of, see the point, but if there are still people using SM 1.x.x because they don't like some of the additional/subtractions, there might also be those that want to stick with 2.0.4 and not upgrade, but they don't get that option. Why? 2.0.x security updates don't introduce any functional changes, only security and stability updates as well as fixes to annoying actual bugs. I see no reason why anyone would want to stay on more broken releases with the same functionality. Perhaps because I don't want YOU to change MY system? Especially without asking me. This is the kind of thing for which Microsoft and other Big Brother type entities have been criticized. That an Open Source initiative should do it is, well, strange, to say the least. And, I will say, MS has given me the choice. Windows can be set to alert me to updates and ask me if I want to apply them. And I have the choice. It is MY computer. It is MY software. How much more simply can this be expressed? Do not screw with my system. Simply ask me. How hard is that? To perform what you need, you can have the detour i choiced: 1. I have disabled any automatic update (Edit preferences Advanced Sotware-Installation (all options not crossed) 2. I have put my home page here - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/ So i am *notified* *when* a new version is released. 3. When and only when i agree to upgrade i do: 3a. When SM is not running i copy the profiles 3b. Using Control-panel - add-remove programs i remove SM 2.0.4 3c. Download the full 2.0.4 SM program and french dictionary + French Spell-checker 3d. Install the new version SM 2.0.6. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Ed Mullen schrieb: Perhaps because I don't want YOU to change MY system? Perhaps I just want YOU to be safe on the Internet? well, I certainly appreciate your concern for my well being. Although, I'm happy (and prefer) to take personal responsibility for my own security. Anyhow, there's a hidden pref somewhere to make us prompt and destroy your security, but go find it yourself, I won't waste my time on looking it up. I didn't say I wouldn't update. I'm simply objecting to the practice of sw modifying itself without warning. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net If you want to read about love and marriage, you've got to buy two separate books. - Alan King ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
I am puzzled. In the Linux version of Seamonkey there
has always been a place to toggle whether one wants to
be asked prior to updates or to allow them to be done
automatically - in fact I recall an option to check
for them or not.
Have those options been removed?
Or do some updates bypass them?
Ed Mullen wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Ed Mullen schrieb:
Perhaps because I don't want YOU to change MY system?
Perhaps I just want YOU to be safe on the Internet?
well, I certainly appreciate your concern for my well being. Although,
I'm happy (and prefer) to take personal responsibility for my own security.
Anyhow, there's a hidden pref somewhere to make us prompt and destroy
your security, but go find it yourself, I won't waste my time on looking
it up.
I didn't say I wouldn't update. I'm simply objecting to the practice of
sw modifying itself without warning.
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Anyhow, there's a hidden pref somewhere to make us prompt and destroy your security, but go find it yourself, I won't waste my time on looking it up. How friendly... Anyway. The pref is called app.update.auto and in SeaMonkey 2.1 it will even be configurable in the UI, very similar to what Firefox has: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Options+window+-+Advanced+panel#Update_tab HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Ant schrieb: I know this has been discussed before a while ago with v2.0.5 updater, but is it me or did v2.0.5 did not prompt me that there is an 2.0.6 update? We never did prompt for 2.0.x security updates, so why should we start now? Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Ant wrote: On 7/21/2010 8:32 PM PT, Daniel typed: Antman, if you have a look at Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Software installation, you may may be able to set things up the way you want!! May!! Daniel, I don't see an option to automatically/silent install or prompt before installing. When I brought up a similar line of discussion a while back, I think the line put out was These are security updates, they are good for you, you don't need to know about it, it will just happen!. I can, sort of, see the point, but if there are still people using SM 1.x.x because they don't like some of the additional/subtractions, there might also be those that want to stick with 2.0.4 and not upgrade, but they don't get that option. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
MintyJewel wrote: On Jul 21, 6:55 am, Anta...@zimage.comant wrote: Hi! I know this has been discussed before a while ago with v2.0.5 updater, but is it me or did v2.0.5 did not prompt me that there is an 2.0.6 update? I just exited to restart SM and then I saw it update! Then, I found out was v2.0.6 updater. I don't recall seeing any prompt that v2.0.6 update exists. Did I miss something? I did leave SM overnight since 8:45 PM PDT or so. Was it a silent update or something? I don't see any preference settings for the updater. Thank you in advance. :) -- The tiny ant dares to enter the lion's ear. --Armenian /\___/\ Phil./Ant @http://antfarm.ma.cx(Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links:http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. mine did the same thing today ... and I have ZoneAlarm!!! Now every time I click on a link, it says the page can't be found and I have to hit reload, then it appears. ? I didn't want an upgrade just yet. I like to wait for the bugs to be caught and killed first. How do I go back Mintyjewel, I was going to say I know how to make this happendon't use SM for some time, so you miss an update, then SM will stop looking for updates, but I'm not sure that is correctlet me explain... For some time now, I've been using SM 2.1a2 to see if I can find any problems with it (none yet) and after a while, I saw a message here about SM 2.0.5 being available, so I thought I'd switch back to my other SM and let it update. But I only had SM 2.0.3, so when I hit the Update Now button, it couldn't just upgrade to 2.0.5, I had to download the entire file, 13MB or so. Seems you can incrementally update, but not skip a level update. So maybe if you were able to miss an update, you may never have to worry about it!! Maybe. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
On 7/22/2010 4:36 AM PT, Robert Kaiser typed: I know this has been discussed before a while ago with v2.0.5 updater, but is it me or did v2.0.5 did not prompt me that there is an 2.0.6 update? We never did prompt for 2.0.x security updates, so why should we start now? Uh, previous versions showed prompt. Why did v2.0.6 not prompt? -- One day he sprained an ankle rather than crush an ant. --Les Miserables /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Ant schrieb: On 7/22/2010 4:36 AM PT, Robert Kaiser typed: I know this has been discussed before a while ago with v2.0.5 updater, but is it me or did v2.0.5 did not prompt me that there is an 2.0.6 update? We never did prompt for 2.0.x security updates, so why should we start now? Uh, previous versions showed prompt. Why did v2.0.6 not prompt? Well, we didn't change anything as to how updates work. Maybe you did? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Daniel schrieb: Ant wrote: On 7/21/2010 8:32 PM PT, Daniel typed: Antman, if you have a look at Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Software installation, you may may be able to set things up the way you want!! May!! Daniel, I don't see an option to automatically/silent install or prompt before installing. When I brought up a similar line of discussion a while back, I think the line put out was These are security updates, they are good for you, you don't need to know about it, it will just happen!. I can, sort of, see the point, but if there are still people using SM 1.x.x because they don't like some of the additional/subtractions, there might also be those that want to stick with 2.0.4 and not upgrade, but they don't get that option. Why? 2.0.x security updates don't introduce any functional changes, only security and stability updates as well as fixes to annoying actual bugs. I see no reason why anyone would want to stay on more broken releases with the same functionality. 1.x vs. 2.0 has a lot of functionality changes, I see arguments there, though IMHO none of them are good. ;-) Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Daniel schrieb: Ant wrote: On 7/21/2010 8:32 PM PT, Daniel typed: Antman, if you have a look at Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Software installation, you may may be able to set things up the way you want!! May!! Daniel, I don't see an option to automatically/silent install or prompt before installing. When I brought up a similar line of discussion a while back, I think the line put out was These are security updates, they are good for you, you don't need to know about it, it will just happen!. I can, sort of, see the point, but if there are still people using SM 1.x.x because they don't like some of the additional/subtractions, there might also be those that want to stick with 2.0.4 and not upgrade, but they don't get that option. Why? 2.0.x security updates don't introduce any functional changes, only security and stability updates as well as fixes to annoying actual bugs. I see no reason why anyone would want to stay on more broken releases with the same functionality. Perhaps because I don't want YOU to change MY system? Especially without asking me. This is the kind of thing for which Microsoft and other Big Brother type entities have been criticized. That an Open Source initiative should do it is, well, strange, to say the least. And, I will say, MS has given me the choice. Windows can be set to alert me to updates and ask me if I want to apply them. And I have the choice. It is MY computer. It is MY software. How much more simply can this be expressed? Do not screw with my system. Simply ask me. How hard is that? -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net Even a mosquito doesn't get a slap on the back until it starts to work. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
On 07/22/2010 04:50 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: Daniel schrieb: Ant wrote: On 7/21/2010 8:32 PM PT, Daniel typed: Antman, if you have a look at Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Software installation, you may may be able to set things up the way you want!! May!! Daniel, I don't see an option to automatically/silent install or prompt before installing. When I brought up a similar line of discussion a while back, I think the line put out was These are security updates, they are good for you, you don't need to know about it, it will just happen!. I can, sort of, see the point, but if there are still people using SM 1.x.x because they don't like some of the additional/subtractions, there might also be those that want to stick with 2.0.4 and not upgrade, but they don't get that option. Why? 2.0.x security updates don't introduce any functional changes, only security and stability updates as well as fixes to annoying actual bugs. I see no reason why anyone would want to stay on more broken releases with the same functionality. 1.x vs. 2.0 has a lot of functionality changes, I see arguments there, though IMHO none of them are good. ;-) Robert Kaiser Not snipped on purpose You've already been told some time ago why in a previous thread regarding this: Message-ID: rusdny0jtbqc5btrnz2dnuvz_h6dn...@mozilla.org This is also a security issue; the opposite of what Robert suggests. The default of automatically downloading a SM update (2.0.4 to 2.0.5 for example) without the user first authorizing the download is plain wrong. I suspect that the update url's, app.update.url etc strings could easily be changed by a trojan etc. app.update.url. We of course _trust_ that the auto update urls are secure and working, but the possibility still exists that these actions could be redirected to a trojan update.xml Then of course, what if you are purposely keeping the rev at a particular version (testing, problems with the updated version etc)? Or worse yet, if the update that you hadn't planned on installing fails? http://kb.mozillazine.org/Software_Update It's a system security issue! The update url's can easily be changed by a trojan et al. Further, the *user must* be in control of whether to perform an update or not. That said; Edit|Preferences|Advanced|Software Installation|Updates|uncheck 'SeaMonkey' will prevent this. This should be the default until SeaMonkey provides a proper Do you want to download type prompt. +1 to Ed Mullens post. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:46:50 +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote: Ant schrieb: On 7/22/2010 4:36 AM PT, Robert Kaiser typed: I know this has been discussed before a while ago with v2.0.5 updater, but is it me or did v2.0.5 did not prompt me that there is an 2.0.6 update? We never did prompt for 2.0.x security updates, so why should we start now? Uh, previous versions showed prompt. Why did v2.0.6 not prompt? Well, we didn't change anything as to how updates work. Maybe you did? I know that on the toolkit side the developers slightly changed what type of updates would prompt and what won't but I thought that was only on trunk and/or 1.9.2. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]Hand me that solar-powered flashlight... * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Ant wrote: Hi! I know this has been discussed before a while ago with v2.0.5 updater, but is it me or did v2.0.5 did not prompt me that there is an 2.0.6 update? I just exited to restart SM and then I saw it update! Then, I found out was v2.0.6 updater. I don't recall seeing any prompt that v2.0.6 update exists. Did I miss something? I did leave SM overnight since 8:45 PM PDT or so. Was it a silent update or something? I don't see any preference settings for the updater. Thank you in advance. :) Put your home page here - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/ So you will be notified when a new version is released. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Ray_Net wrote: Ant wrote: Hi! I know this has been discussed before a while ago with v2.0.5 updater, but is it me or did v2.0.5 did not prompt me that there is an 2.0.6 update? I just exited to restart SM and then I saw it update! Then, I found out was v2.0.6 updater. I don't recall seeing any prompt that v2.0.6 update exists. Did I miss something? I did leave SM overnight since 8:45 PM PDT or so. Was it a silent update or something? I don't see any preference settings for the updater. Thank you in advance. :) Put your home page here - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/ So you will be notified when a new version is released. Ray, I'm not sure if that really addresses the issue of not being notified before an update is applied. I noticed I wasn't notified either for 2.0.6, and it was a little disconcerting that I couldn't halt the update from occurring. Is there a preference that will provide a cancel feature if I'm at a point that I don't want to apply the update at that time? My companies security software will repeatedly close any new programs it hasn't been trained to specifically allow, so I'd like the option of choosing what time to apply new updates. Antman. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
Antman008 wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Ant wrote: Hi! I know this has been discussed before a while ago with v2.0.5 updater, but is it me or did v2.0.5 did not prompt me that there is an 2.0.6 update? I just exited to restart SM and then I saw it update! Then, I found out was v2.0.6 updater. I don't recall seeing any prompt that v2.0.6 update exists. Did I miss something? I did leave SM overnight since 8:45 PM PDT or so. Was it a silent update or something? I don't see any preference settings for the updater. Thank you in advance. :) Put your home page here - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/ So you will be notified when a new version is released. Ray, I'm not sure if that really addresses the issue of not being notified before an update is applied. I noticed I wasn't notified either for 2.0.6, and it was a little disconcerting that I couldn't halt the update from occurring. Is there a preference that will provide a cancel feature if I'm at a point that I don't want to apply the update at that time? My companies security software will repeatedly close any new programs it hasn't been trained to specifically allow, so I'd like the option of choosing what time to apply new updates. Antman. Antman, if you have a look at Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Software installation, you may may be able to set things up the way you want!! May!! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
On Jul 21, 6:55 am, Ant a...@zimage.comant wrote: Hi! I know this has been discussed before a while ago with v2.0.5 updater, but is it me or did v2.0.5 did not prompt me that there is an 2.0.6 update? I just exited to restart SM and then I saw it update! Then, I found out was v2.0.6 updater. I don't recall seeing any prompt that v2.0.6 update exists. Did I miss something? I did leave SM overnight since 8:45 PM PDT or so. Was it a silent update or something? I don't see any preference settings for the updater. Thank you in advance. :) -- The tiny ant dares to enter the lion's ear. --Armenian /\___/\ Phil./Ant @http://antfarm.ma.cx(Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links:http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. mine did the same thing today ... and I have ZoneAlarm!!! Now every time I click on a link, it says the page can't be found and I have to hit reload, then it appears. ? I didn't want an upgrade just yet. I like to wait for the bugs to be caught and killed first. How do I go back ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me!
On 7/21/2010 8:32 PM PT, Daniel typed: Antman, if you have a look at Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Software installation, you may may be able to set things up the way you want!! May!! Daniel, I don't see an option to automatically/silent install or prompt before installing. -- Ant colonies are remarkably similar to cities. No one choreographs the action, not even the queen ant, but ant behavior is controlled by swarm logic--put 10,000 dumb ants together, and they become smart. They will calculate the shortest routes to food supplies sniffing out pheromone signals from other ants and Johnson says people do the same thing in cities using low-level interactions of people on the street. --Alex Cukan, Stories of modern science, United Press International, October 8, 2001 /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
