Re: [biofuel] vehicles
Thanks for the reply. I have no intention of running anything other than BD. I am trying just trying to find out if unwashed BD will cause the problems you mention. I am not worried about a small excess of Methanol as the vehicle will be new. Do the fine filters you speak of remove residual glycerin? and does the small amount left in a well reacted batch of BD a concern (unwashed). Thanks, Ed >From: "stephen lakios" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [biofuel] vehicles >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:34:06 -0700 > >A diesel will run on darn near any liquid which can burn. The >problem is the feeding systems. #1. Problem is the fuel >injection pump. It works with tolerances of 10,000ths of an >inch. Foreign particles,air and water are its bane. #2. Fuel >injecters, they too work at close tolerances and high pressures. >The newer diesels with computer controlled constant pressure >rail systems, still use fuel injecters. The newer an engine is, >the cleaner the fuel must be. An older engine will tolerate >dirtier fuel to a point. Although not good it is done all the >time. Even the best freshest fuel will have contaminates and >water in it. I would always use two or more filters and two or >more one way valves in the fuel lines. #3. Cold starts, veggie >oil is not as volatile as diesel fuel, you can try various >mixtures and try a compromise, but most diesels are started on >diesel then switched over. The problem of experimenting on your >own, you may damage the engine and/or yourself. Start with very >small amounts and work up. The best engineers have not been able >to solve the problem entirerly. There are starting systems which >inject small amounts of ether, meth alcohol, or propane, used in >really cold areas. Some worked well and some blew engines to >h Glow plugs are an assist only, not a cure for cold >starts. For automotive use, use biodiesel. It would be easier to >filter oil which is very warm, with a pump forcing the oil >through a series of filters down to .5 micron. Brass screens >would be best if you can find them. Then cloth and/or paper. We >used brass in the oil industry, but then I was dealing with >3,000 psi, and upto 400 degrees. stephen > _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower
Hi Gary and All, --- "Dr. Gary Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have seen a unit with this sort of rotor in a city > near > Clearwater Florida. Rotor was mounted vertically -- > that is > axis of rotation was vertical eliminating any wind > direction > dependence. Where might that one be as I live about 60 mile from there? > > Looks feasible to me While it may work I have to wonder about it from his power out graphs. At 5 mph he says it puts out 500 watts which is physically impossible. A blade turning and putting out power are two different things. Much of its blade area won't be of any use also because of it's angle. Also centrifical forces on the unit would be great in high winds and the mounts the blade attaches to looks heavy and complicated. A normal 2 blade unit would be more eff and cheaper for the same power. jerry dycus > > GN __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower
Hi Gary and All, --- "Dr. Gary Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have seen a unit with this sort of rotor in a city > near > Clearwater Florida. Rotor was mounted vertically -- > that is > axis of rotation was vertical eliminating any wind > direction > dependence. Where might that one be as I live about 60 mile from there? > > Looks feasible to me While it may work I have to wonder about it from his power out graphs. At 5 mph he says it puts out 500 watts which is physically impossible. A blade turning and putting out power are two different things. Much of its blade area won't be of any use also because of it's angle. Also centrifical forces on the unit would be great in high winds and the mounts the blade attaches to looks heavy and complicated. A normal 2 blade unit would be more eff and cheaper for the same power. jerry dycus > > GN __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower
Hi David and All, I prefer downwind rotors with rotatable tower foils , I had been building them for 5 years 15 years ago. Your right, most noise comes from the interaction of the blades and the tower. Another source is the blade tips. I solved that by using single thickness blades , ie curved sheets of fiberglass. They are lighter and produce more power becaues of lower blade drag. The good thing about this was by shaping it right the wind pressure caused the blade to feather by bending in higher winds allowing it to genorate power in higher winds without overloading. Too bad the drawings won't come up for me, I'd like to see it. Do you build windgens? If so I have some ideas I'll never use. I'll give you for free offline as I want more windgens out there too. jerry dycus --- David Teal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is my patent spec. for noise reduction of wind > turbines. I hope this > will allow more of them to be used, as it mitigates > one of their public > acceptability problems. > http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/viewer?PN=GB2353825&CY=gb&LG=en&DB=EPD > > David Teal > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil?
A whole 'web page on the subject' Thanks very much Todd. Ive just done the rounds now from all my local fast food shops, 5 of the 6 were filled with Glee at the thought that someone would take their waste (i was surprised too) saves them a trip to the tip. Oh yeh the one that said no - McD. I'm going to have to give it a go. Btw, I've had a price on Methanol 100 litres -£140+vat uk, is that good? Thanks all, thanks again Todd :). - Original Message - From: Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil? > > Can Biod be used for Central heating? > > > Ian, > > Absolutely. You can use biodiesel as a 100% replacement for home heating > oil. There are only two principle drawbacks. > > The first is that fuel oil tanks develop serious paraffin and gum buildup on > their inside walls over time. Introducing bio-d with its superb solvent > effects will loosen all this up at an extremely quick pace. This stuff is > black, waxy, collects particulates like a magnet, and will clog filters in a > heartbeat. It can be as thick as an 1/8th inch and cover almost the entire > interior surface area of a tank - you're talking a "gallon" or more of gunk > in a 10 or 15 year old tank. > > You have two options. You can choose just to install a "super filter" and > take your chances that a few of these filters will get you through each > winter with no major problems. Or you can clean the tank, using moderate to > high pressure warmed solvent (120-150 degrees Fahrenheit). > > Bio-d is recommended for the thorough cleaning, due to its high flash > point - no others if you value your existence. You will need a directional > wand and some patience, as only a slow and methodical pattern will give you > any assurance that the tank is clean. > > You might be able to get away with a hand cranked barrel pump with an > extension to pump out the old fuel and the dirty solvent during cleaning. > Make sure the extensions are air tight or you may never get a prime. Rinse > the tank with several gallons of bio-d several times. > > If you choose to use an existing tank, you will need to install a "super > filter," even if the tank is cleaned. There will almost inevitably be some > patch of waxes missed with the pressure cleaning. > > Last fall the NBB played up a Maryland dairy farmer using bio-d for heat. It > was only 5% bio-d, as they didn't wish to contend with any large releases of > waxes and gums in a brief period of time. Understandable to some degree, as > it is their livelihood being disrupted should serious problems crop up with > lines clogging. > > Five percent is better than nothing, but this low of a percent will never be > sufficient to clean a tank "naturally" in anything but geologic time - > especially the uppermost portions which run dry first as fuel is consumed > and remain dry until the tank is refilled. I would contend that the home > brewer would be better off going the whole route, rather than partial > measure. > > The second drawback is ambient temperature and the cloud point of your > bio-d. Above ground tanks and lines will "freeze" rapidly, after 30 degree > weather sets in. This can happen in but a few hours in the lines and after > only a few nights in the tank, leaving you with a very cold problem. > > Even below ground storage can have some of the same problem, depending upon > whether the tank is below the frost line or not and if any of the lines run > along the exterior of the building, rather than underground, beneath the > frostline, under the building and then up through the floor to the furnace. > > In an industrial type building, fuel can be stored inside, eliminating the > clouding/freezing problems. This is not as possible in residential > dwellings, nor advised. > > If you're going to do this, I would start now, as winter will be here in a > bat of an eye. > > Todd > Appal Energy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil?
I read an Oil burner book that describes when using heavier industrial fuel oils, a fuel preheater is needed. It also said to preheat the fuel in the fuel tank with a heat exchanger. This idea is how I'm planning to run my diesel on straight vegetable oil!! Talk to your oil burner repairman concerning the part you need installed. Greg -- Original Message -- From: "ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:58:27 +0100 > > >A whole 'web page on the subject' >Thanks very much Todd. >Ive just done the rounds now from all my local fast food shops, 5 of the 6 >were filled with Glee at the thought that someone would take their waste (i >was surprised too) saves them a trip to the tip. >Oh yeh the one that said no - McD. >I'm going to have to give it a go. Btw, I've had a price on Methanol 100 >litres -£140+vat uk, is that good? >Thanks all, thanks again Todd :). > > >- Original Message - >From: Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 3:10 PM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil? > > >> > Can Biod be used for Central heating? >> >> >> Ian, >> >> Absolutely. You can use biodiesel as a 100% replacement for home heating >> oil. There are only two principle drawbacks. >> >> The first is that fuel oil tanks develop serious paraffin and gum buildup >on >> their inside walls over time. Introducing bio-d with its superb solvent >> effects will loosen all this up at an extremely quick pace. This stuff is >> black, waxy, collects particulates like a magnet, and will clog filters >> in >a >> heartbeat. It can be as thick as an 1/8th inch and cover almost the >> entire >> interior surface area of a tank - you're talking a "gallon" or more of >gunk >> in a 10 or 15 year old tank. >> >> You have two options. You can choose just to install a "super filter" and >> take your chances that a few of these filters will get you through each >> winter with no major problems. Or you can clean the tank, using moderate >to >> high pressure warmed solvent (120-150 degrees Fahrenheit). >> >> Bio-d is recommended for the thorough cleaning, due to its high flash >> point - no others if you value your existence. You will need a >> directional >> wand and some patience, as only a slow and methodical pattern will give >you >> any assurance that the tank is clean. >> >> You might be able to get away with a hand cranked barrel pump with an >> extension to pump out the old fuel and the dirty solvent during cleaning. >> Make sure the extensions are air tight or you may never get a prime. >> Rinse >> the tank with several gallons of bio-d several times. >> >> If you choose to use an existing tank, you will need to install a "super >> filter," even if the tank is cleaned. There will almost inevitably be >> some >> patch of waxes missed with the pressure cleaning. >> >> Last fall the NBB played up a Maryland dairy farmer using bio-d for heat. >It >> was only 5% bio-d, as they didn't wish to contend with any large releases >of >> waxes and gums in a brief period of time. Understandable to some degree, >as >> it is their livelihood being disrupted should serious problems crop up >with >> lines clogging. >> >> Five percent is better than nothing, but this low of a percent will never >be >> sufficient to clean a tank "naturally" in anything but geologic time - >> especially the uppermost portions which run dry first as fuel is consumed >> and remain dry until the tank is refilled. I would contend that the home >> brewer would be better off going the whole route, rather than partial >> measure. >> >> The second drawback is ambient temperature and the cloud point of your >> bio-d. Above ground tanks and lines will "freeze" rapidly, after 30 >> degree >> weather sets in. This can happen in but a few hours in the lines and >> after >> only a few nights in the tank, leaving you with a very cold problem. >> >> Even below ground storage can have some of the same problem, depending >upon >> whether the tank is below the frost line or not and if any of the lines >run >> along the exterior of the building, rather than underground, beneath the >> frostline, under the building and then up through the floor to the >furnace. >> >> In an industrial type building, fuel can be stored inside, eliminating >> the >> clouding/freezing problems. This is not as possible in residential >> dwellings, nor advised. >> >> If you're going to do this, I would start now, as winter will be here in >> a >> bat of an eye. >> >> Todd >> Appal Energy >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> > href="http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/";>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Y
Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil?
Danfoss makes a preheater, I believe. www.danfoss.com Ed B. - Original Message - From: "Trudy Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil? I read an Oil burner book that describes when using heavier industrial fuel oils, a fuel preheater is needed. It also said to preheat the fuel in the fuel tank with a heat exchanger. This idea is how I'm planning to run my diesel on straight vegetable oil!! Talk to your oil burner repairman concerning the part you need installed. Greg -- Original Message -- From: "ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:58:27 +0100 > > >A whole 'web page on the subject' >Thanks very much Todd. >Ive just done the rounds now from all my local fast food shops, 5 of the 6 >were filled with Glee at the thought that someone would take their waste (i >was surprised too) saves them a trip to the tip. >Oh yeh the one that said no - McD. >I'm going to have to give it a go. Btw, I've had a price on Methanol 100 >litres -£140+vat uk, is that good? >Thanks all, thanks again Todd :). > > >- Original Message - >From: Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 3:10 PM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil? > > >> > Can Biod be used for Central heating? >> >> >> Ian, >> >> Absolutely. You can use biodiesel as a 100% replacement for home heating >> oil. There are only two principle drawbacks. >> >> The first is that fuel oil tanks develop serious paraffin and gum buildup >on >> their inside walls over time. Introducing bio-d with its superb solvent >> effects will loosen all this up at an extremely quick pace. This stuff is >> black, waxy, collects particulates like a magnet, and will clog filters in >a >> heartbeat. It can be as thick as an 1/8th inch and cover almost the entire >> interior surface area of a tank - you're talking a "gallon" or more of >gunk >> in a 10 or 15 year old tank. >> >> You have two options. You can choose just to install a "super filter" and >> take your chances that a few of these filters will get you through each >> winter with no major problems. Or you can clean the tank, using moderate >to >> high pressure warmed solvent (120-150 degrees Fahrenheit). >> >> Bio-d is recommended for the thorough cleaning, due to its high flash >> point - no others if you value your existence. You will need a directional >> wand and some patience, as only a slow and methodical pattern will give >you >> any assurance that the tank is clean. >> >> You might be able to get away with a hand cranked barrel pump with an >> extension to pump out the old fuel and the dirty solvent during cleaning. >> Make sure the extensions are air tight or you may never get a prime. Rinse >> the tank with several gallons of bio-d several times. >> >> If you choose to use an existing tank, you will need to install a "super >> filter," even if the tank is cleaned. There will almost inevitably be some >> patch of waxes missed with the pressure cleaning. >> >> Last fall the NBB played up a Maryland dairy farmer using bio-d for heat. >It >> was only 5% bio-d, as they didn't wish to contend with any large releases >of >> waxes and gums in a brief period of time. Understandable to some degree, >as >> it is their livelihood being disrupted should serious problems crop up >with >> lines clogging. >> >> Five percent is better than nothing, but this low of a percent will never >be >> sufficient to clean a tank "naturally" in anything but geologic time - >> especially the uppermost portions which run dry first as fuel is consumed >> and remain dry until the tank is refilled. I would contend that the home >> brewer would be better off going the whole route, rather than partial >> measure. >> >> The second drawback is ambient temperature and the cloud point of your >> bio-d. Above ground tanks and lines will "freeze" rapidly, after 30 degree >> weather sets in. This can happen in but a few hours in the lines and after >> only a few nights in the tank, leaving you with a very cold problem. >> >> Even below ground storage can have some of the same problem, depending >upon >> whether the tank is below the frost line or not and if any of the lines >run >> along the exterior of the building, rather than underground, beneath the >> frostline, under the building and then up through the floor to the >furnace. >> >> In an industrial type building, fuel can be stored inside, eliminating the >> clouding/freezing problems. This is not as possible in residential >> dwellings, nor advised. >> >> If you're going to do this, I would start now, as winter will be here in a >> bat of an eye. >> >> Todd >> Appal Energy >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever.org/ biofuel.html >> To unsubsc
Re: [biofuel] more windpower
The rotor of the generator in CLearwater must be at least 30 feet tall. It would turn slowly in low wind. I never tried to find out who oned it or how much power it generated. But it was certainly quite. GN jerry dycus wrote: > > Hi Gary and All, > --- "Dr. Gary Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have seen a unit with this sort of rotor in a city > > near > > Clearwater Florida. Rotor was mounted vertically -- > > that is > > axis of rotation was vertical eliminating any wind > > direction > > dependence. > Where might that one be as I live about 60 mile > from there? > > > > Looks feasible to me > While it may work I have to wonder about it from > his power out graphs. At 5 mph he says it puts out 500 > watts which is physically impossible. A blade turning > and putting out power are two different things. Much > of its blade area won't be of any use also because of > it's angle. >Also centrifical forces on the unit would be great > in high winds and the mounts the blade attaches to > looks heavy and complicated. A normal 2 blade unit > would be more eff and cheaper for the same power. > jerry dycus > > > > GN > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Dr. Gary A. Nelson Zynrgy Group Inc 20708 Deerpath Road Barrington, IL 60010-3787 USA +1.847.304. +1.847.304.1929 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!?
And one about circumscribing the skipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > i seem to remember one about tommy loy the cabin boy. > > Biofuels wrote: > > > The Cabin Boy's name was Carter > > By gosh, he was a *arter! > > When the wind wouldn't blow > > and the ship wouldn't go, > > They got Carter the *arter to start'er! > > > > Wind can be so unreliable - or "intermittent", as Shell International > > would > > have it! > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > -- > www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the > hidden directories. > www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the > newest stuff on my home site > moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > lord of the minuet. > nutty artist axtraordinaire. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Dr. Gary A. Nelson Zynrgy Group Inc 20708 Deerpath Road Barrington, IL 60010-3787 USA +1.847.304. +1.847.304.1929 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil?
brings to mind another scientist i've had the pleasure of watching work, "i'm not mad, i'm ANGRY!!!" steve spence wrote: > cute effects, but what good are they. Tesla went quite mad in his > later > years. Hey, at least he brought us AC electric. > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "Ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 5:02 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil? > > > > Hi all > > Can Biod be used for Central heating? > > I see theres many questions regarding Tesla, theres some good stuff > out > there on his work. > > If the interest takes you have a look at http://www.tcbouk.org.uk/ > > Mainly coil work, some of the members have very good knowledge on > some of > the more secretive work Nik carried out. > > Ian > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the hidden directories. www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the newest stuff on my home site moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] lord of the minuet. nutty artist axtraordinaire. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!?
circumcising that's the one. tommy loy the cabin boy dirty little nipper stuffed his ass with broken glass and circumcised the skipper seems painful for both parties. "Dr. Gary Nelson" wrote: > And one about circumscribing the skipper > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > i seem to remember one about tommy loy the cabin boy. > > > > Biofuels wrote: > > > > > The Cabin Boy's name was Carter > > > By gosh, he was a *arter! > > > When the wind wouldn't blow > > > and the ship wouldn't go, > > > They got Carter the *arter to start'er! > > > > > > Wind can be so unreliable - or "intermittent", as Shell > International > > > would > > > have it! > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > -- > > www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to > the > > hidden directories. > > www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put > the > > newest stuff on my home site > > moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > lord of the minuet. > > nutty artist axtraordinaire. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > > Dr. Gary A. Nelson > Zynrgy Group Inc > 20708 Deerpath Road > Barrington, IL 60010-3787 > USA > +1.847.304. > +1.847.304.1929 fax > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [www.newaydirect.com] > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the hidden directories. www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the newest stuff on my home site moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] lord of the minuet. nutty artist axtraordinaire. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil?
. > I'm going to have to give it a go. Btw, I've had a price on Methanol 100 > litres -£140+vat uk, is that good? > Thanks all, thanks again Todd :). Ian, I dont know if thats a good price or not for the UK as I expect it would be dearer over there but if that is the going rate believe you must be heavily taxed on it as the going rate is around a dollar a litre here wholesale in 200 litre drums. Note one pound sterling = just over 3 NZ$. Admitedly it is made here but cant see why such a wide difference as Mobil I think it was really screwed the NZ govt back in the 70s when the plant was first built (first natural gas to methanol plant I believe). Has been sold twice since. Perhaps the current owners just get presented with the story that there is not much demand for it and thats the best price we are prepared to pay for it take it or leave it. Perhaps a group of you should get together to benefit yourselves, keep the costs down, and import some of your requirements after checking out the excise situation. B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] unsubscribe
i second that, please also unsubscribe me from the list i was at first interested in researching uses of bio diesal but i don't have the time to go through 100+ emails almost daily [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks --- Rob evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > please unsubscribe me from this group, > i was very keen on the fuels side of this newsgroup > when i joined, im all for self sufficiency, and cost > savings regarding energy, but this group seems to be > getting too bogged down with the environmental and > political issues now. > get back to offering practical home fuel brewing > information and the likes, it was much more fun > then. > > regards.. > Rob > - Original Message - > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 1:06 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Digest Number 372 > > > i know, that's why i said it was impossible, sorta > like don kornholio. > ARE YOU THREATENING ME!! aa aa > oao aoggog > aoogoggogoaogoooaooaghh. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] methanol reclaiming
Has anyone got any Methanol reclaiming details they could supply me? Thanks Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] vehicles
Ed, Steven et al, T.P. bypass filters are ideal for cleaning diesel and other similar fuels as they remove the asphaltine particles which are the major cause of combustion soot and other contamination. I sell bypass filters especially for this purpose. They are identical to the by-pass oil filters except the orifice restriction of 50 thou which is required to drop the velocity so the oil is filtered properly and only a small percentage is bled off at any given time has been opened out or removed so the diesel has unrestricted flow and is matched to the injector or engine requirement. They also have a tap on the bottom so that the water which separates out and sits on the bottom of the cannister can be regularly bled off. After looking at or replacing everyone I have installed I now know all diesel is dirty even if it looks perfectly clean to the natural eye. When you see what these things remove you can understand why quite a lot of the modern diesels which are built to much finer tolerances dont last anything like the old Gardiners and earlier diesels. B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!?
Yar, mate. Thet be the one [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > circumcising > that's the one. > tommy loy the cabin boy > dirty little nipper > stuffed his ass with broken glass > and circumcised the skipper > > seems painful for both parties. > > "Dr. Gary Nelson" wrote: > > > And one about circumscribing the skipper > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > i seem to remember one about tommy loy the cabin boy. > > > > > > Biofuels wrote: > > > > > > > The Cabin Boy's name was Carter > > > > By gosh, he was a *arter! > > > > When the wind wouldn't blow > > > > and the ship wouldn't go, > > > > They got Carter the *arter to start'er! > > > > > > > > Wind can be so unreliable - or "intermittent", as Shell > > International > > > > would > > > > have it! > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > -- > > > www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to > > the > > > hidden directories. > > > www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put > > the > > > newest stuff on my home site > > > moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > lord of the minuet. > > > nutty artist axtraordinaire. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- > > > > Dr. Gary A. Nelson > > Zynrgy Group Inc > > 20708 Deerpath Road > > Barrington, IL 60010-3787 > > USA > > +1.847.304. > > +1.847.304.1929 fax > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > [www.newaydirect.com] > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > -- > www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the > hidden directories. > www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the > newest stuff on my home site > moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > lord of the minuet. > nutty artist axtraordinaire. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Dr. Gary A. Nelson Zynrgy Group Inc 20708 Deerpath Road Barrington, IL 60010-3787 USA +1.847.304. +1.847.304.1929 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!?
Reminds me of friends of mine years ago who would go to parties and jokingly remark so that everyone overheard "I suppose women are alright if you cant get the real thing". At least they were guaranteed a response one way or the other. Makes you realize how serious we all begin to take ourselves as we get older. B.r., David - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!? > circumcising > that's the one. > tommy loy the cabin boy > dirty little nipper > stuffed his ass with broken glass > and circumcised the skipper > > seems painful for both parties. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol reclaiming
> Has anyone got any Methanol reclaiming details they could supply me? ... Ian, You will have to build yourself an evaporative condenser capable of maintaining a temp of 165 Fahrenheit, slightly above the boiling temp of methanol. It will consist of an airtight "pot" (except for the vaporous outlet port) of your desired volume, a heat source - open flame unadvisable due to immediate liquid and vaporous methanol - a drain valve for the residual glycerin, a fill valve for introducing the methanol laden glycerin, a continual vaporous outlet off the top of the pot into a cooling condenser, preferably water cooled. The cooling condenser's drain should be continuous into a "closed" collection container, same container having a vent tube extended well outside and above the building or considerably away from the activity (when outside) to vent off all methanol tainted vapors that are positively displaced from the final collection container. The closed system precludes almost entirely the introduction of water into the recovered methanol via atmospheric humidity. Check the pH of the glycerin and neutralize prior to utilizing the glycerin in further endeavors. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Pump & Motor resource...
To whom it may concern There is a US business that purchases in bulk all types of surplus hardware of high quality - sometimes brand new, sometimes refurbished, sometimes hardly used, retired military, etc.. Much of what they have is highly applicable to home bio-d manufacture and making the process affordably easier. Their catalogue has a broad range of hydraulics, AC & DC motors, submersible and centrifugal pumps, gas and diesel engines, switches, etc., ad infinitum. Surplus Center 1015 West "O" Street P.O. Box 82209 Lincoln, Nebraska 68501-2209 Fax: 877-474-5198 Watts: 800-488-3407 Happy bargain shopping... Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil?
For UK, I think the waxing problem is going to rear its ugly head. Re methanol - you should buy a 205 litre drum for something like £92 including VAT and carriage. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Pump & Motor resource...
Todd, Thanks for the info. Took me 10 minutes to figure it out but area code for the fax number is wrong. Area code for Lincoln is 402 not 877. B.r., David > Surplus Center > 1015 West "O" Street > P.O. Box 82209 > Lincoln, Nebraska 68501-2209 > > Fax: 877-474-5198 > Watts: 800-488-3407 > > Happy bargain shopping... > > Todd > Appal Energy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] unsubscribe
ONCE AGAIN please be so kind as to unsubscribe me from this newsgroup. whilst at the same time thanking you for previous knowledge ive gained here. regards Rob Evans - Original Message - From: sarah momsen To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] unsubscribe i second that, please also unsubscribe me from the list i was at first interested in researching uses of bio diesal but i don't have the time to go through 100+ emails almost daily [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks --- Rob evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > please unsubscribe me from this group, > i was very keen on the fuels side of this newsgroup > when i joined, im all for self sufficiency, and cost > savings regarding energy, but this group seems to be > getting too bogged down with the environmental and > political issues now. > get back to offering practical home fuel brewing > information and the likes, it was much more fun > then. > > regards.. > Rob > - Original Message - > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 1:06 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Digest Number 372 > > > i know, that's why i said it was impossible, sorta > like don kornholio. > ARE YOU THREATENING ME!! aa aa > oao aoggog > aoogoggogoaogoooaooaghh. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!?
i believe i read it as a heading in an asimov book, maybe heinlein, but i don't remember heinlein being so sexual in his writing, though he did write my favorite book. "Dr. Gary Nelson" wrote: > Yar, mate. Thet be the one > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > circumcising > > that's the one. > > tommy loy the cabin boy > > dirty little nipper > > stuffed his ass with broken glass > > and circumcised the skipper > > > > seems painful for both parties. > > > > "Dr. Gary Nelson" wrote: > > > > > And one about circumscribing the skipper > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > i seem to remember one about tommy loy the cabin boy. > > > > > > > > Biofuels wrote: > > > > > > > > > The Cabin Boy's name was Carter > > > > > By gosh, he was a *arter! > > > > > When the wind wouldn't blow > > > > > and the ship wouldn't go, > > > > > They got Carter the *arter to start'er! > > > > > > > > > > Wind can be so unreliable - or "intermittent", as Shell > > > International > > > > > would > > > > > have it! > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >-- www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the hidden directories. www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the newest stuff on my home site moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] lord of the minuet. nutty artist axtraordinaire. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] unsubscribe
> To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Is at the bottom of every email. No one can do it for you. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "Rob evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] unsubscribe > ONCE AGAIN please be so kind as to unsubscribe me from this newsgroup. > > whilst at the same time thanking you for previous knowledge ive gained here. > > regards > Rob Evans > - Original Message - > From: sarah momsen > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] unsubscribe > > > i second that, > please also unsubscribe me from the list > i was at first interested in researching uses of bio > diesal but i don't have the time to go through 100+ > emails almost daily > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > thanks > --- Rob evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > please unsubscribe me from this group, > > i was very keen on the fuels side of this newsgroup > > when i joined, im all for self sufficiency, and cost > > savings regarding energy, but this group seems to be > > getting too bogged down with the environmental and > > political issues now. > > get back to offering practical home fuel brewing > > information and the likes, it was much more fun > > then. > > > > regards.. > > Rob > > - Original Message - > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 1:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Digest Number 372 > > > > > > i know, that's why i said it was impossible, sorta > > like don kornholio. > > ARE YOU THREATENING ME!! aa aa > > oao aoggog > > aoogoggogoaogoooaooaghh. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Pump & Motor resource...
Sorry David, It's a toll free fax. I guess 877 is similar to 888 and 800 now. I'm darn glad I got an 800 number before they ran out. Todd - Original Message - From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Pump & Motor resource... > Todd, > Thanks for the info. Took me 10 minutes to figure it out but area > code for the fax number is wrong. Area code for Lincoln is 402 not 877. > B.r., David > > > Surplus Center > > 1015 West "O" Street > > P.O. Box 82209 > > Lincoln, Nebraska 68501-2209 > > > > Fax: 877-474-5198 > > Watts: 800-488-3407 > > > > Happy bargain shopping... > > > > Todd > > Appal Energy > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!?
I heard it on a 33rpm record called Bawdy Songs and Backroom Ballads -- eons ago. GN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > i believe i read it as a heading in an asimov book, maybe heinlein, but > i don't remember heinlein being so sexual in his writing, though he did > write my favorite book. > > "Dr. Gary Nelson" wrote: > > > Yar, mate. Thet be the one > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > circumcising > > > that's the one. > > > tommy loy the cabin boy > > > dirty little nipper > > > stuffed his ass with broken glass > > > and circumcised the skipper > > > > > > seems painful for both parties. > > > > > > "Dr. Gary Nelson" wrote: > > > > > > > And one about circumscribing the skipper > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > i seem to remember one about tommy loy the cabin boy. > > > > > > > > > > Biofuels wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The Cabin Boy's name was Carter > > > > > > By gosh, he was a *arter! > > > > > > When the wind wouldn't blow > > > > > > and the ship wouldn't go, > > > > > > They got Carter the *arter to start'er! > > > > > > > > > > > > Wind can be so unreliable - or "intermittent", as Shell > > > > International > > > > > > would > > > > > > have it! > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >-- > > www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the > hidden directories. > www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the > newest stuff on my home site > moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > lord of the minuet. > nutty artist axtraordinaire. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Dr. Gary A. Nelson Zynrgy Group Inc 20708 Deerpath Road Barrington, IL 60010-3787 USA +1.847.304. +1.847.304.1929 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!?
Thought this was from an old British sailors shanty originally. Maybe wrong as I dont know or certainly cant remember hearing the whole thing. Believe if I remember rightly that it seemed to start with the words: "We sailed on the good ship Venus, By God you should have seen us etc. Maybe I've got it completely wrong. B.r., David - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!? > i believe i read it as a heading in an asimov book, maybe heinlein, but > i don't remember heinlein being so sexual in his writing, though he did > write my favorite book. > > "Dr. Gary Nelson" wrote: > > > Yar, mate. Thet be the one > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > circumcising > > > that's the one. > > > tommy loy the cabin boy > > > dirty little nipper > > > stuffed his ass with broken glass > > > and circumcised the skipper > > > > > > seems painful for both parties. > > > > > > "Dr. Gary Nelson" wrote: > > > > > > > And one about circumscribing the skipper > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > i seem to remember one about tommy loy the cabin boy. > > > > > > > > > > Biofuels wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The Cabin Boy's name was Carter > > > > > > By gosh, he was a *arter! > > > > > > When the wind wouldn't blow > > > > > > and the ship wouldn't go, > > > > > > They got Carter the *arter to start'er! > > > > > > > > > > > > Wind can be so unreliable - or "intermittent", as Shell > > > > International > > > > > > would > > > > > > have it! > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >-- > > www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the > hidden directories. > www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the > newest stuff on my home site > moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > lord of the minuet. > nutty artist axtraordinaire. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!?
Believe you would be right. Was just thinking that Ballad would be a better term than shanty. Must be all of 30 years since I heard it B.r., David - Original Message - From: Dr. Gary Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!? > I heard it on a 33rpm record called Bawdy Songs and Backroom > Ballads -- eons ago. > > GN Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Sea Shanty
That's it all right. I can't recall the verses. GN David Reid wrote: > > Thought this was from an old British sailors shanty originally. Maybe wrong > as I dont know or certainly cant remember hearing the whole thing. Believe > if I remember rightly that it seemed to start with the words: "We sailed on > the good ship Venus, By God you should have seen us etc. Maybe > I've got it completely wrong. > B.r., David > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!? > > > i believe i read it as a heading in an asimov book, maybe heinlein, but > > i don't remember heinlein being so sexual in his writing, though he did > > write my favorite book. > > > > "Dr. Gary Nelson" wrote: > > > > > Yar, mate. Thet be the one > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > circumcising > > > > that's the one. > > > > tommy loy the cabin boy > > > > dirty little nipper > > > > stuffed his ass with broken glass > > > > and circumcised the skipper > > > > > > > > seems painful for both parties. > > > > > > > > "Dr. Gary Nelson" wrote: > > > > > > > > > And one about circumscribing the skipper > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > i seem to remember one about tommy loy the cabin boy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuels wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Cabin Boy's name was Carter > > > > > > > By gosh, he was a *arter! > > > > > > > When the wind wouldn't blow > > > > > > > and the ship wouldn't go, > > > > > > > They got Carter the *arter to start'er! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wind can be so unreliable - or "intermittent", as Shell > > > > > International > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > have it! > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >-- > > > > www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the > > hidden directories. > > www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the > > newest stuff on my home site > > moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > lord of the minuet. > > nutty artist axtraordinaire. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Dr. Gary A. Nelson Zynrgy Group Inc 20708 Deerpath Road Barrington, IL 60010-3787 USA +1.847.304. +1.847.304.1929 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Sea shanty
A shanty it was fer sure, and 30 years or more since I heard it as well -- 33rpms is a hint. Also a duo in a coffee house in Newport Beach played it in about 1959. Memories for sure GN David Reid wrote: > > Believe you would be right. Was just thinking that Ballad would be a better > term than shanty. Must be all of 30 years since I heard it > B.r., David > > - Original Message - > From: Dr. Gary Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!? > > > I heard it on a 33rpm record called Bawdy Songs and Backroom > > Ballads -- eons ago. > > > > GN > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Dr. Gary A. Nelson Zynrgy Group Inc 20708 Deerpath Road Barrington, IL 60010-3787 USA +1.847.304. +1.847.304.1929 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Sea shanty
early 90's for me. "Dr. Gary Nelson" wrote: > A shanty it was fer sure, and 30 years or more since I heard > it as well -- 33rpms is a hint. > Also a duo in a coffee house in Newport Beach played it in > about 1959. > > Memories for sure > > GN > > David Reid wrote: > > > > Believe you would be right. Was just thinking that Ballad would be a > better > > term than shanty. Must be all of 30 years since I heard it > > B.r., David > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Dr. Gary Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!? > > > > > I heard it on a 33rpm record called Bawdy Songs and Backroom > > > Ballads -- eons ago. > > > > > > GN > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > > Dr. Gary A. Nelson > Zynrgy Group Inc > 20708 Deerpath Road > Barrington, IL 60010-3787 > USA > +1.847.304. > +1.847.304.1929 fax > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [www.debticated.com] > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the hidden directories. www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the newest stuff on my home site moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] lord of the minuet. nutty artist axtraordinaire. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty
Sorry if I appear to be the proverbial wet blanket, but has anyone noticed several unsubscription requests lately referring to excessive correspondence which they are unable to plow through, as well as "off topic" material? Would it be entirely out of line to suggest that we seriously attempt to limit the lightheartedness, joviality and frivolity of off topic material to off list conversation? Just a purist, die-hard, extremist who would prefer to keep as many people in the loop for as long as possible - all the while attempting to maintain my sanity in an insane world. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty
maybe another group, biofuelsOT. Appal Energy wrote: > Sorry if I appear to be the proverbial wet blanket, but has anyone > noticed > several unsubscription requests lately referring to excessive > correspondence > which they are unable to plow through, as well as "off topic" > material? > > Would it be entirely out of line to suggest that we seriously attempt > to > limit the lightheartedness, joviality and frivolity of off topic > material to > off list conversation? > > Just a purist, die-hard, extremist who would prefer to keep as many > people > in the loop for as long as possible - all the while attempting to > maintain > my sanity in an insane world. > > Todd Swearingen > Appal Energy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the hidden directories. www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the newest stuff on my home site moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] lord of the minuet. nutty artist axtraordinaire. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: biofuels and gardners
David, Perhaps you can help me. I not that you have referred to the ' old Gardiners and earlier diesels'. I have two L8 Gardners in a motor launch (ML1200 old 1943 military vessel). I have been unable to locate Gardners UK for spares. Do you have any info on this. By the way, I've started making biodiesal for her use. Thanks to you people out there. Second question: Is there any difference in energy content between, for instance, one liter of sunflower biodiesal and one liter of palm oil biodiesal? In other words, is there a better performance in km/liter for the better oil? Mike Brownstone -Original Message- From: David Reid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 9:20 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] vehicles Ed, Steven et al, T.P. bypass filters are ideal for cleaning diesel and other similar fuels as they remove the asphaltine particles which are the major cause of combustion soot and other contamination. I sell bypass filters especially for this purpose. They are identical to the by-pass oil filters except the orifice restriction of 50 thou which is required to drop the velocity so the oil is filtered properly and only a small percentage is bled off at any given time has been opened out or removed so the diesel has unrestricted flow and is matched to the injector or engine requirement. They also have a tap on the bottom so that the water which separates out and sits on the bottom of the cannister can be regularly bled off. After looking at or replacing everyone I have installed I now know all diesel is dirty even if it looks perfectly clean to the natural eye. When you see what these things remove you can understand why quite a lot of the modern diesels which are built to much finer tolerances dont last anything like the old Gardiners and earlier diesels. B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty
I vote for letting people say what they want to say. Besides, it only takes me ten minutes a day to go thru it all. Its called a delete button. Point noted, though!!! Mike -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:12 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty Sorry if I appear to be the proverbial wet blanket, but has anyone noticed several unsubscription requests lately referring to excessive correspondence which they are unable to plow through, as well as "off topic" material? Would it be entirely out of line to suggest that we seriously attempt to limit the lightheartedness, joviality and frivolity of off topic material to off list conversation? Just a purist, die-hard, extremist who would prefer to keep as many people in the loop for as long as possible - all the while attempting to maintain my sanity in an insane world. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] uk methanol source
So who can supply Methanol at under £100 inc vat for 205 litres here in the uk? Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol reclaiming
Thanks Todd :) - Original Message - From: Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] methanol reclaiming > > Has anyone got any Methanol reclaiming details they could supply me? > ... > > Ian, > > You will have to build yourself an evaporative condenser capable of > maintaining a temp of 165 Fahrenheit, slightly above the boiling temp of > methanol. > > It will consist of an airtight "pot" (except for the vaporous outlet port) > of your desired volume, a heat source - open flame unadvisable due to > immediate liquid and vaporous methanol - a drain valve for the residual > glycerin, a fill valve for introducing the methanol laden glycerin, a > continual vaporous outlet off the top of the pot into a cooling condenser, > preferably water cooled. > > The cooling condenser's drain should be continuous into a "closed" > collection container, same container having a vent tube extended well > outside and above the building or considerably away from the activity (when > outside) to vent off all methanol tainted vapors that are positively > displaced from the final collection container. > > The closed system precludes almost entirely the introduction of water into > the recovered methanol via atmospheric humidity. > > Check the pH of the glycerin and neutralize prior to utilizing the glycerin > in further endeavors. > > Todd > Appal Energy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] uk methanol source
Yellow pages - Chemicals suppliers Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty
Todd, Thanks for the timely reminder but as someone who tends to be serious by nature and takes myself too seriously at times, I need to escape from my seriousness occasionaly, step outside my human frailty and have a good laugh at myself and life in general so I remain at least partially human. As an old Scotsman said to me years ago "your a long time dead Davy boy". As I travel through life I realize your pretty stuffed without a sense of humour so I have always tried to maintain mine. Looking after my folks for the last 12 years during the last years of their lives hasnt been easy but having a sense of humour has certainly helped and made it that much easier. Looking back I say to myself hell I would never do that again, other times I realize how fortunate I was to be the son of two people who truly loved one another even if it made me a member of a truly minority group of the human race. If we have people who join and leave of their own volition I and we cant do anything about it, that is their choice. I just hope that they learned and added something to all of us from their time no matter how long that is or was. Again thanks for your time, input, help and concern.. B.r., David - Original Message - From: Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 4:11 PM Subject: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty > Sorry if I appear to be the proverbial wet blanket, but has anyone noticed > several unsubscription requests lately referring to excessive correspondence > which they are unable to plow through, as well as "off topic" material? > > Would it be entirely out of line to suggest that we seriously attempt to > limit the lightheartedness, joviality and frivolity of off topic material to > off list conversation? > > Just a purist, die-hard, extremist who would prefer to keep as many people > in the loop for as long as possible - all the while attempting to maintain > my sanity in an insane world. > > Todd Swearingen > Appal Energy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty
different personal situations, but feelings summed up well. David Reid wrote: > Todd, > Thanks for the timely reminder but as someone who tends to be > > serious by nature and takes myself too seriously at times, I need to > escape > from my seriousness occasionaly, step outside my human frailty and > have a > good laugh at myself and life in general so I remain at least > partially > human. As an old Scotsman said to me years ago "your a long time dead > Davy > boy". As I travel through life I realize your pretty stuffed without a > sense > of humour so I have always tried to maintain mine. Looking after my > folks > for the last 12 years during the last years of their lives hasnt been > easy > but having a sense of humour has certainly helped and made it that > much > easier. Looking back I say to myself hell I would never do that > again, > other times I realize how fortunate I was to be the son of two people > who > truly loved one another even if it made me a member of a truly > minority > group of the human race. If we have people who join and leave of their > own > volition I and we cant do anything about it, that is their choice. I > just > hope that they learned and added something to all of us from their > time no > matter how long that is or was. Again thanks for your time, input, > help and > concern.. > B.r., David -- www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the hidden directories. www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the newest stuff on my home site moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] lord of the minuet. nutty artist axtraordinaire. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: biofuels and gardners
Hi Mike, Sorry I cant help as I am not an engineer, just someone who has a bit of knowledge and repect for that which has gone before. Suggest you try some of the marine notice boards and ask there. Perhaps someone can help you. Where are you located? Try http://aqua.net.au/ See there was a company called E.E.Potts who were offering spare parts for Gardner. Also someone offering 2 x 8LW motors on Nov 3 2000. Also other Gardner adds. Also try London Transport as a lot of the double deckers had Gardner engines and someone there should be able to help or point you in the right direction. Best of luck with your efforts. will see what else I can dig up. B.r., David - Original Message - From: Mike Brownstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: [biofuel] RE: biofuels and gardners > David, > > Perhaps you can help me. I not that you have referred to the ' old > Gardiners and earlier diesels'. I have two L8 Gardners in a motor launch > (ML1200 old 1943 military vessel). I have been unable to locate Gardners UK > for spares. Do you have any info on this. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] need help
my name is david, chemical eng. student at state polytechnic of bandung, indonesia. i'm doing the final assignment to produce biodiesel. thanks for the information keith, i can understand the answer. the only reason i ask, is just the cost of pure methanol is expensive. it's hard too make the product economically. and keith, i'm not trying the palm oil, but the coconut oil. what will be if i use the palm oil ? may i know what oil have been used by you and the other ? i got another question : 1. i made my biodiesel, but in the end, i have one separated glycerine is still liquid even in the room temperature ( isn't the temperature to keep glycerine in liquid is above of 38 C ? ) and i got one still solid even in 40 C and semi gel in 50 C. Is there anyone know how could it be ? 2. i would like to ask everybody, what's the rate per liter of any diesel fuel in every country, is there any list about it ? please tell me what's the rate per liter any diesel fuel in your country. 3. what could be the effect to the diesel engine if we made the product, say , the density is below the standard ? 4. i'm trying to made biodiesel based on the mike pelly's method to produce a half liter, but i get none but failure. looks like it was soap formation that happened. i'm trying to reduce the amount of NaOH used to half of 3.5 grams and too half of the amount from the titration, but still the soap is formed. is there any calibration rate to produce half or double ? for example say we made it 10 litres and the amount from titration is 2,2 ml. is it mean ( 2.2 + 3.5 ) per liter = 5.7 gr NaOH per liter or 57 grams NaOH ? or there is another way of calculating ? i think that will be enough for now. i really apprecate to you guys, you're more than a teacher for me. thanks. david __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: biofuels and gardners
Mike, Try the folowing: www.gardnerparts.co.uk/index htm e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] do onto others...
as staunchly as i support freedom, i also support respect for others, and their rights. this is a discussion list, with albeit broad but well defined subjects of interest. taking up other people's bandwidth with never ending discussions on a limerick's origin or phrasing is not my idea of respect for other's rights. offline is available to all to pursue such interests, methinks. good manners are the glue that keep a civilized society in relative harmony. i'm sorry there are people in the list who miss this point and act egotistically, uncaring of other member's discomfort. those who have left the list wrote that they did so because, being interested in our 'raison d'etre', they were instead swamped with frivolous, totally uncalled for postings dealing with themes totally outside of our subjects of interest. there are many humor lists and poetry lists out there that will more than welcome these folk's efforts. not that a bit of humor now and then is not welcome; but when it disregards the list's interests, it harms the lists purpose. i, for one can tell who cares for other peoples feelings and time by such actions, as well as by the lack of editing that accompanies many of the postings. these are usually the same people who vociferously defend their 'given rights', as they simultaneously forget that all of us have the same rights. do onto others... (and will somebody with authority please send the unsolicited court jester on a long vacation, with no return ticket ?) after all, why should i have to miss somebody's interesting posting on biofuels, and/or alternative energies, just to keep a babbling idiot happy ?? i think i have my rights too... cheers, dick. let's get real, please. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Martes 24 de Abril de 2001 05:45 Subject: [biofuel] Digest Number 384 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are 20 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Pump & Motor resource... From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2. Re: unsubscribe From: "Rob evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3. Re: more windpower - Scam!? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. Re: unsubscribe From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5. Re: Pump & Motor resource... From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6. Re: more windpower - Scam!? From: "Dr. Gary Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7. Re: more windpower - Scam!? From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8. Re: more windpower - Scam!? From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9. Re: Sea Shanty From: "Dr. Gary Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10. Re: Sea shanty From: "Dr. Gary Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11. Re: Re: Sea shanty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12. Wet Blanket was Sea shanty From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 13. Re: Wet Blanket was Sea shanty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14. uk methanol source From: "Ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 15. Re: methanol reclaiming From: "Ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 16. RE: Wet Blanket was Sea shanty From: Mike Brownstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 17. RE: biofuels and gardners From: Mike Brownstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 18. Re: uk methanol source From: "Biofuels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 19. Re: Wet Blanket was Sea shanty From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 20. Re: Wet Blanket was Sea shanty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message: 1 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:40:56 +1200 From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Pump & Motor resource... Todd, Thanks for the info. Took me 10 minutes to figure it out but area code for the fax number is wrong. Area code for Lincoln is 402 not 877. B.r., David > Surplus Center > 1015 West "O" Street > P.O. Box 82209 > Lincoln, Nebraska 68501-2209 > > Fax: 877-474-5198 > Watts: 800-488-3407 > > Happy bargain shopping... > > Todd > Appal Energy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:11:14 +0100 From: "Rob evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: unsubscribe ONCE AGAIN please be so kind as to unsubscribe me from this newsgroup. whilst at the same time thanking you for previous knowledge ive gained here. regards Rob Evans - Original Message - From: sarah momsen To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] unsubscribe
Re: [biofuel] do onto others...
So basically the questions ive raised are a joke Dick? see 14 15 and 18 Ian - Original Message - From: Dick Carlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: [biofuel] do onto others... > as staunchly as i support freedom, i also support respect for others, and > their rights. this is a discussion list, with albeit broad but well defined > subjects of interest. > > taking up other people's bandwidth with never ending discussions on a > limerick's origin or phrasing is not my idea of respect for other's rights. > > offline is available to all to pursue such interests, methinks. > > good manners are the glue that keep a civilized society in relative harmony. > i'm sorry there are people in the list who miss this point and act > egotistically, uncaring of other member's discomfort. > > those who have left the list wrote that they did so because, being > interested in our 'raison d'etre', they were instead swamped with > frivolous, totally uncalled for postings dealing with themes totally outside > of our subjects of interest. > > there are many humor lists and poetry lists out there that will more than > welcome these folk's efforts. not that a bit of humor now and then is not > welcome; but when it disregards the list's interests, it harms the lists > purpose. > > i, for one can tell who cares for other peoples feelings and time by such > actions, as well as by the lack of editing that accompanies many of the > postings. these are usually the same people who vociferously defend their > 'given rights', as they simultaneously forget that all of us have the same > rights. > > do onto others... > > (and will somebody with authority please send the unsolicited court jester > on a long vacation, with no return ticket ?) > > after all, why should i have to miss somebody's interesting posting on > biofuels, and/or alternative energies, just to keep a babbling idiot happy > ?? > > i think i have my rights too... > > cheers, dick. > > let's get real, please. > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Martes 24 de Abril de 2001 05:45 > Subject: [biofuel] Digest Number 384 > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > There are 20 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Pump & Motor resource... >From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2. Re: unsubscribe >From: "Rob evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 3. Re: more windpower - Scam!? >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 4. Re: unsubscribe >From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 5. Re: Pump & Motor resource... >From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 6. Re: more windpower - Scam!? >From: "Dr. Gary Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 7. Re: more windpower - Scam!? >From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 8. Re: more windpower - Scam!? >From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 9. Re: Sea Shanty >From: "Dr. Gary Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 10. Re: Sea shanty >From: "Dr. Gary Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 11. Re: Re: Sea shanty >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 12. Wet Blanket was Sea shanty >From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 13. Re: Wet Blanket was Sea shanty >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 14. uk methanol source >From: "Ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 15. Re: methanol reclaiming >From: "Ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 16. RE: Wet Blanket was Sea shanty >From: Mike Brownstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 17. RE: biofuels and gardners >From: Mike Brownstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 18. Re: uk methanol source >From: "Biofuels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 19. Re: Wet Blanket was Sea shanty >From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 20. Re: Wet Blanket was Sea shanty >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:40:56 +1200 >From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Pump & Motor resource... > > Todd, > Thanks for the info. Took me 10 minutes to figure it out but area > code for the fax number is wrong. Area code for Lincoln is 402 not 877. > B.r., David > > > Surplus Center > > 1015 West "O" Street > > P.O. Box 82209 > > Lincoln, Nebraska 68501-2209 > > > > Fax: 877-474-5198 > > Watts: 800-488-3407 > > > > Happy bargain shopping... > > > > Todd > > Appal Energy > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > ___
[biofuel] Too many posts?
You can set your delivery option to "digest". You will still get all the posts but all in one e-mail per day. You can skim thru a lot faster and delete it quicker. You will not believe how much faster and easier this way is. And you still get all the useful information you want and need. Good luck. I hope this helps retain some good people on this list MADMAN http://www.bazookabros.8k.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
OT posts,was: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty
Hi Todd and All, I have to go with Todd on this one. I'm about to have to choose between staying with biofuel and the gasifacation list I need to join. If the OT, political on this list stays as bad as it's been I'll have no choice. I believe it hurts the biofuel cause this list is supposed to want to spread. While humor is good it should be only as an aside on other ontopic posts and if you want to respond to these take them offline. Some of you have very wierd senses of humor!!! At least label them OT- humor or OT-pol for political so those of us who have other lives can get the biofuel info the we and the world needs without the OT's. You can't delete what's not labeled. Over half the posts in the last month have been OT, that's way too much. There are other lists for those who need their humor, pol fixes. Another problem is lack of post editing making what is a 1 line post into a 10kb to 100kb post. If we follow these rules we'll get more members and lose less. What's more important your OT fixes or spreading biofuel as wide as we can? I've been part of the problem too with my wind- water gen posts but at least they are RE in nature and goes to the same goal of renewable energy and are intertwined with biofuel. I'll cut down on them and label what I do post as OT-RE in the future. Thanks, jerry dycus > -Original Message- > From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:12 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty > > > Sorry if I appear to be the proverbial wet blanket, > but has anyone noticed > several unsubscription requests lately referring to > excessive correspondence > which they are unable to plow through, as well as > "off topic" material? > > Would it be entirely out of line to suggest that we > seriously attempt to > limit the lightheartedness, joviality and frivolity > of off topic material to > off list conversation? > > Just a purist, die-hard, extremist who would prefer > to keep as many people > in the loop for as long as possible - all the while > attempting to maintain > my sanity in an insane world. > > Todd Swearingen > Appal Energy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil?
Hi Ian >Hi all >Can Biod be used for Central heating? Biodiesel's widely used for central heating in Europe. But they probably add something nasty to stop it gelling in the cold weather. >I see theres many questions regarding Tesla, theres some good stuff >out there on his work. >If the interest takes you have a look at http://www.tcbouk.org.uk/ >Mainly coil work, some of the members have very good knowledge on >some of the more secretive work Nik carried out. >Ian Coupla Tesla links (but will anything really useful ever come of this stuff??): http://www.execpc.com/~teba/ Tesla Engine Builders Association http://colossus2.cvl.bcm.tmc.edu/~wje/free_energy/ The Free Energy Page Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower - Scam!?
That is quite ENOUGH thankyou. Get back to your harp, skaar, you ol' windbag. There was a young feller named skaar whose exhaust could be heard from afar to save himself toil he used straight veggie oil and fouled it all up with the tar. :-) (Er, no need to respond to that, it's a suitably crummy note for this crummy thread to die on.) Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ >circumcising >that's the one. >tommy loy the cabin boy >dirty little nipper >stuffed his ass with broken glass >and circumcised the skipper > >seems painful for both parties. > >"Dr. Gary Nelson" wrote: > > > And one about circumscribing the skipper > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > i seem to remember one about tommy loy the cabin boy. > > > > > > Biofuels wrote: > > > > > > > The Cabin Boy's name was Carter > > > > By gosh, he was a *arter! > > > > When the wind wouldn't blow > > > > and the ship wouldn't go, > > > > They got Carter the *arter to start'er! > > > > > > > > Wind can be so unreliable - or "intermittent", as Shell > > International > > > > would > > > > have it! > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > -- > > > www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to > > the > > > hidden directories. > > > www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put > > the > > > newest stuff on my home site > > > moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > lord of the minuet. > > > nutty artist axtraordinaire. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- > > > > Dr. Gary A. Nelson > > Zynrgy Group Inc > > 20708 Deerpath Road > > Barrington, IL 60010-3787 > > USA > > +1.847.304. > > +1.847.304.1929 fax > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > [www.newaydirect.com] > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >-- >www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the >hidden directories. >www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the >newest stuff on my home site >moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >lord of the minuet. >nutty artist axtraordinaire. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] of farmers, slaves, and veggie oil coke...
>Ed B. said in reply to Dick Carlstein:
> >Excellent post. Now you also have my attention on the fogger. I'll look at
> >the archives.
> >
> >Thanks
>
>I fully agree, and find Dick's perceptions to be acutely sensible. A
>fogger just got added to my to-do list. Dick, I am not familiar with
>your word "agroafforestation". Please define.
>--
>...Warren Rekow
Good way to grow biofuels. Good way to grow anything. Agroforestry
resources below.
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_tree.html
Farming with trees
"Agroforestry is possibly the most self-sustaining and ecologically
sound of any agricultural system." -- Dr. Franklin W. Martin,
"Agroforestry Principles", ECHO Technical Note, 1992
Agroforestry
Agroforestry integrates trees with farming, such as lines of trees
with crops growing between them (alley cropping), hedgerows, living
fences, windbreaks, pasture trees, woodlots, and many other farming
patterns.
There's nothing new about it -- it only seems new because modern
industrialized farming ("commodity extraction" rather than farming)
has veered so far from true farming practises. The heavy machines and
single-crop production lines are tree-unfriendly.
Previously, many traditional farming systems all over the world
integrated trees with crops and livestock, and many continue to do
so. The traditional European mixed farm with its crop and livestock
rotations over the land was alive with trees, in hedgerows, pastures
and woodlots, lining lanes, around homesteads. Such farms are still
to be found in many parts of Europe.
Now agroforestry is perhaps the fastest growing sector of the
sustainable farming movement, in both the developed countries and the
Third World.
Agroforestry increases biodiversity, supports wildlife, provides
firewood, fertilizer, forage, food and more, improves the soil,
improves the water, benefits the farmers, benefits everyone.
Overstory #7: Agroforestry (free on-line journal focusing on trees
and crops in agroforestry) -- "Agroforestry: A way of farming that
can work for everyone"
"There is growing concern throughout the world about the loss of
species diversity. Much of the destruction has taken place to make
room for human agriculture, particularly pastures, plantations, and
other monocultures. Agroforestry systems increase species diversity
within farming systems, providing for human needs while supporting
wildlife, soil microorganisms, rural communities, farmers, economic
interests, watersheds, clean air concerns, biodiversity, and more."
Online:
http://www.agroforester.com/overstory/overstory7.html
agroforester.com -- Resource for Tropical Forestry and Agroforestry,
based in Hawaii -- Publishes the Overstory free email journal for
agroforesters, gardeners and others. Back issues online. Forest
management plans, agroforestry plans, tree seedlings, tree seeds and
plant inoculants (mycorrhiza and rhizobium), training and education
workshops. Free publications: Nitrogen Fixing Tree Start-up Guide,
Guide to Orchard Alley Cropping, Multipurpose Windbreaks,
Multipurpose Palms, Forest Technology Bulletins, Sheet Mulching,
more. Agroforestry links. Site search.
http://www.agroforester.com/
"Agroforestry Principles" by Dr. Franklin W. Martin & Scott Sherman,
1992, ECHO Technical Note -- "Agroforestry is the production of trees
and of non-tree crops or animals on the same piece of land. This
system of land management is possibly the most self-sustaining and
ecologically sound of any agricultural system. Agroforestry systems
make maximum use of the land. Every part of the land is considered
suitable for plants that are useful. Agroforestry is designed to
produce a range of benefits including food, feed, fuels, often
fibers, and usually renewed soil fertility. It takes advantage of
trees for many uses, to hold the soil, to increase fertility through
nitrogen fixation, or through bringing minerals from deep in the soil
and depositing them by leaf-fall, to provide shade, construction
materials, foods and fuel." Online (Acrobat file):
http://www.echonet.org/tropicalag/technotes/Agrofore.PDF
"Multipurpose Trees", Chapter 4 of "Amaranth to Zai Holes: ideas for
growing food under difficult conditions" by ECHO (Educational
Concerns for Hunger Organization). An updated compilation of 15 years
of the quarterly technical bulletin ECHO Development Notes in book
form, online version -- a treasurehouse of practical information for
and from the field. This chapter covers Trees in agricultural
systems, Multipurpose trees, Fruit and nut species, Working with
trees. Excellent resource.
http://www.echonet.org/tropicalag/aztext/azch4.htm
Association for Temperate Agroforestry -- "Agroforestry practises are
intentional combinations of trees with crops and/or livestock which
involve intensive management of the interactions between the
components as an integrat
[biofuel] Phyllis, database for biomass and waste
http://www.ecn.nl/phyllis/ Phyllis, database for biomass and waste. The objective of Phyllis is to make analysis data of individual biomass or waste materials available and to offer the possibility to obtain the average composition of any combination of groups and/or subgroups. Answers are given to questions like: * What is the average sulphur content of wood? * What is the ash content of willow? * What is the average calorific value of chicken manure? Phyllis is designed and maintained by ECN Biomass with financial support of Novem. At present it contains about 1600 datarecords. Phyllis will be updated and extended regularly. An overview of bio-energy projects in the Netherlands can be found at http://www.biomasster.nl . Search * Composition of a single material. * Average composition of a group of materials. * Keyword search for materials. Information * General information about Phyllis. * How to use Phyllis. * Definitions used in Phyllis. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty
>Sorry if I appear to be the proverbial wet blanket, but has anyone noticed >several unsubscription requests lately referring to excessive correspondence >which they are unable to plow through, as well as "off topic" material? > >Would it be entirely out of line to suggest that we seriously attempt to >limit the lightheartedness, joviality and frivolity of off topic material to >off list conversation? > >Just a purist, die-hard, extremist who would prefer to keep as many people >in the loop for as long as possible - all the while attempting to maintain >my sanity in an insane world. > >Todd Swearingen >Appal Energy >[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Todd You're quite right. And, by the way, I fully agree with your response to the "unsubscribe" message complaining about environmental issues and so on. Part of our function here should be to provide the context for biofuels use. It's not just a matter of "self sufficiency and cost savings regarding energy", important though they are. There was a big movement towards renewable energy in the US and elsewhere in the early 80s, not for the first time, but it died when the fuel prices dropped. Now the biofuels movement is burgeoning worldwide, and I'm sure it won't die this time, no matter what the fuel prices do, exactly because of the much wider context beyond saving a few bucks on fuel. There's much more to it than that, and more to it than the technical aspects too, the how-to's and so on. Why-to is a major issue, and very connected with all the other environmental/political issues. So the topic is and should be a broad one. But there are limits, and I agree that some recent threads have gone well beyond them. Sure, life is short and should be sweet and so on, and an occasional OT funny does no harm; people should indeed be allowed to say what they like, but there's a responsibility that goes with free speech, and, apart from flames, trolling, spam and such, list members also have the responsibility to stay generally on-topic. I reckon everyone knows well enough what's definitely off-topic, at least. It's hard to say why people unsubscribe. They come and they go, for their own reasons. In the last week the overall number's remained about the same, with 40 new members and 40 unsubscriptions. That is a bit unusual, usually there are steadily more subscribes than unsubscribes. If it's the environmental stuff they don't like, well, first, it's only a small proportion of what's posted, it's nonsense that it "bogs down" the list, and I'd say they're overreacting; second, if they can't see all the practical content on home fuel brewing and the like amid the "100+ emails almost daily" (??), well, that's their problem. As Michael says, there's such a thing as a delete button. But maybe someone who repeatedly posts "unsubscribe" messages (pleas, even) to the list, though the unsubscribe address appears twice in each message, hasn't discovered the delete button yet? :-) Anyway, yes, please let's cut the crap, but that certainly doesn't include the broad-ranging discussion we have here that DOES concern biofuels. If that's driving some people away, well, let them go, it's their choice - if they want a narrow perspective I'm sure there are other lists for them. A lot of members tell me they like this one the way it is. And so do I, I must say. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: OT posts,was: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty
I'm with you. with all the lists I read, and email I get, I'm over 500 messages daily. Let's stay on topic as much as we can. >From: jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: OT posts,was: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 06:02:43 -0700 (PDT) > > Hi Todd and All, > I have to go with Todd on this one. I'm about to >have to choose between staying with biofuel and the >gasifacation list I need to join. If the OT, political >on this list stays as bad as it's been I'll have no >choice. < Snipped for the bandwidth challenged> _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
