[biofuels-biz] Off-spec product
Terry Biofuels wrote in the other list: No real need to boil after washing - if you want, take it up to 80 deg C and most water will drop out. Murkiness is probably tallow esters, if temperature is below 8 deg C and pH is 7. Warm slightly, when it will disappear. Allow tallows to settle for a week - draw off from top and use 100% - mix the lower murky layer with warm petrodiesel to achieve cold weather properties. This is not sacrilege - any petrodiesel replaced is good petrodiesel! which exemplifies a question which will arise in small-scale commercial production. As in any process, a certain amount of product will be off-spec and therefore unsaleable. Nevertheless, such 'seconds' may be perfectly useable in-house by operators vehicles. It is therefore worth keeping records of the quantity of off-spec likely to be produced so it can be compared with anticipated in-house consumption. Any comments? Aeolus Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] digest
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[biofuels-biz] For purifying glyc
Solvent purification distillers by Recycling Sciences, Inc. Set the temperature and leave it alone. It'll purify the glycerol, at a price. Maybe you can find a second-hand one for about $5,000. http://www.rescience.com Keith Addison Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] greetings
Hi Pedro and Bob Did you see Ian Jackson's schematics of his processor design? Based on Aleks's acid-base process. He's taken it down now and wants me to host it, which I'll do. There are some others coming up too, I'll upload them when they're ready. I'll happily host any designs anyone offers, and more. If you guys provide the material, I'll make a special section for biofuels-biz resources on our site at Journey to Forever. Steve Spence of Webconx is here too, as a moderator, and you can count on his support (we're partner sites, by the way, and Pedro shares our host service). Yes, I know, we all have our secrets of course, quite right too, but there's a lot we can share. There are 30 of us here already, from quite a few different countries. Direct competition would be a limited factor, plenty of room for collaboration. If you want to sell designs or equipment, we might be able to help there too. We'll have to do e-commerce sooner or later, I can see it coming, it could be sooner. We could act as a shop-window, show your wares without giving away anything. It's up to you - I'll help where I can, so will Steve, but you're the ones interested in doing business, not us. The members have to lead the way. Cordain gave us a nice introduction, seems like a good idea to break the ice, eh? Best wishes Keith Addison Better than equipment, for Spain it«s the design. You could sell the design of a biodiesel factory. All the best. Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolfero La solucin a sus problemas energticos. http://sitio.de/energiahttp://sitio.de/energia http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/http://journeytoforever.org/ energiaweb/ - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.combiofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:26 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] greetings Thanks for setting up this group. I hope to go commercial at some point. Probably making equipment for processing rather than bio diesel production. Still at the prototype stage at the moment. bob golding (UK) Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings
Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!! This kind of Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very important to separate the forums occuped in topic like do it yourself (home made biodiesel) and the forum for large scale production with a macroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting brain storm. Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND STEVE Mauro Ariel Knudsen Argentinean Biodieseler. Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and thanks a lot for the encouragement. Please go ahead and set the brainstorm going! Where do you think we should start? Regards Keith Addison Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] green fuels challenge
OK guys! When does the fun start? How about putting some pressure on our friends at CE to release some of that dosh the government set aside for sustaianble fuels ... the green fuel challenge ... or are they going to mess it up? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Website Services- Click Here! Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[biofuels-biz]
how do i set this up for digest? Biofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[biofuels-biz] re digest
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do i set this up for digest? You have to go to the list website, messages section, I think: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/messages and hit the button marked Edit my membership. If you haven't used the Yahoo! Groups web interface before you'll have to give yourself an ID and password. Keith Addison Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] cost
Their are two versions of this answer. The long version and the short, I'll start w/the 'Long Version' or if you are looking for the cut and dried answer skip down to the 'Short Version'. ***LONG VERSION*** Hmmmwell lets see are you trying to figure out initial startup cost or running cost because those are two seperate things. Startup cost are all your initial or one time expenses. Usually all the equipment you will need to start and keep the business running. This is a straightforward equation. The greater the quantity of bio-diesel you want to process at a time the longer the time for a finished product. Your going to have to figure out your efficiency curb by how many gallons per week you plan on processing. Smaller batches process faster but in the long term use more energy to produce the same net amount of fuel. (energy = cost/expense) The size of your plant in terms of how much you plan to produce will determine your intial startup cost. Also you have to take into consideration. Leasing a site, utilities deposits. If using an old structure in many cases you will have to upgrade the fire surpression system. Permits, business licenses etc..etc...Startup cost are never fully realized until at least the first fiscal year has occured. This is a floating point equation and alot of decisions will have to be made about needs and wants. For the first 5 years you should stick w/buying only what you need to run the business and pursue the wants after you have a solid foundation. Running cost are seperate from startup cost. That is the actual statement that figures out wether you are profitable or not. Running cost are those expenses that are occured in the running of your business. To include chemicals, maintenance, salaries, expenses, insurance, advertising/marketing, lawyer fees, transportation/collection/distribution and the all important savings account. (You should always attempt to save up money and prevent your cost from exceeding your profits as much as possible, you are not the govt. and cannot afford to spend more money than you make). Your actual startup/running cost will be based on your calculations at the end of your business plan. Things will be obviously cheaper for you if you design and construct your own equipment, but if you do not have the ability or talent to pull this off then you will need to hire someone to do this for you. If you looking to manufacture a serious quantity of fuel then your initial startup investment should not exceed your gross profits over a 5 year period. Or in simple terms dont spend more money then you can potentially pay off in a 5 year period or reach the near or break even point. Much easier said than done, but alot of business never make it to fiscal year number 4 because of poor financial planning. Get into all the finance classes you can, understand completly the terms of your loans. Get a competent friendly accountant. Most banks have free materials and sometimes free classes on understanding different fianance options and www.score.org offers free confidential assitance and workshops. Take advantage of any free business managment or even pay courses you can. Buy and organizer/date book you will use and live buy it. It will save you many headaches. Manage your time effectivly and set and abide by deadlines. SHORT VERSION* Now if your looking for the short answer. Operating cost can be anywhere from $.65-.75 USD per gallon for most plants. That figure can be lower or higher depending on a multitude of factors. [See LONG VERSION for factors]. End of SHORT VERSION For homework go see how not to startup/run a business. It's a documentary called Startup.com. Playing in a US cinema near you. Take notes and dont make the same mistakes they did. You will make mistakes in business, every business does. However your financial strategy is the sole thing that will insure that you stay in business. Rule #1 in business always have a backup strategy, never put all your eggs in one basket. Rule #2 Never forget rule #1. For reference I've started, owned and sold two very successfull businesses. (Startup cost where payed for by month 9) I sold both for a profit and they each had an excellent customer base that I couldnt take w/me. (I changed my locale to the other side of the country and back). Once I get my operation up and running I will be availble for consultant work and/or turn-key business plan development. However until that moment I hope I answered your question. There is no right or surefire answer to your question. But I hope you have a little more insight. Business is simple and complex. The simple objective is to turn a profit, but there are alot of complicated decisions that have to be made first. regards, cordain dulles, va (usa) From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] cost Date:
[biofuels-biz] cost
Hi Keith Steve, I would like to know an easy way, if there is one, to figure what my cost will be, in a gallon of biodiesel, in any given batch that I process. How do you figure in your start up costs i.e. equipment, chemicals, etc. ? Thanks, David Cruse P.S. Congrats on the new site. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [biofuels-biz] cost
To produce how many liters ??? ( i.e. 3.000 l)??? Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolferoLa solucin a sus problemas energticos. http://sitio.de/energiahttp://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/ - Original Message - From: david e cruse To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] cost Hi Keith Steve, I would like to know an easy way, if there is one, to figure what my cost will be, in a gallon of biodiesel, in any given batch that I process. How do you figure in your start up costs i.e. equipment, chemicals, etc. ? Thanks, David Cruse P.S. Congrats on the new site.Biofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings
Can I answer to this question, at least for Spain ??. Do the middle and little biodiesel companies has future comparated with big petroleum companies ??- In Spain there is a tax exemption for the biodiesel but it has been impugned by BP and nowadays the Spanish Goverment doesn«t give this exemption to the enterprises . Are the biodiesel companies ( like green companies like they are ) enough incentived ???. Pedro. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!!This kind of Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very importantto separate the forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" (homemade biodiesel) and the forum for large scale production with amacroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting "brain storm".Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND STEVE Mauro Ariel Knudsen Argentinean Biodieseler.Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and thanks a lot for the encouragement. Please go ahead and set the brainstorm going! Where do you think we should start?RegardsKeith AddisonBiofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [biofuels-biz] greetings
Only a word : GREAT !! Indicate us in the list when uploaded, my friend ;) How much liters does it produces ??. ( a good one for a medium and little enterprise is a 300.000 liters / year ). For sure, the idea of e-commerce it«s ideal. We can buy metanol in the international market and sell the glycerin to another interested international people, if economically interesting ;) All the best. Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolferoLa solucin a sus problemas energticos. http://sitio.de/energiahttp://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] greetings Hi Pedro and BobDid you see Ian Jackson's schematics of his processor design? Based on Aleks's acid-base process. He's taken it down now and wants me to host it, which I'll do. There are some others coming up too, I'll upload them when they're ready.I'll happily host any designs anyone offers, and more. If you guys provide the material, I'll make a special section for biofuels-biz resources on our site at Journey to Forever. Steve Spence of Webconx is here too, as a moderator, and you can count on his support (we're partner sites, by the way, and Pedro shares our host service).Yes, I know, we all have our secrets of course, quite right too, but there's a lot we can share. There are 30 of us here already, from quite a few different countries. Direct competition would be a limited factor, plenty of room for collaboration.If you want to sell designs or equipment, we might be able to help there too. We'll have to do e-commerce sooner or later, I can see it coming, it could be sooner. We could act as a shop-window, show your wares without giving away anything.It's up to you - I'll help where I can, so will Steve, but you're the ones interested in doing business, not us. The members have to lead the way.Cordain gave us a nice introduction, seems like a good idea to break the ice, eh?Best wishesKeith AddisonBetter than equipment, for Spain it«s the design. You could sell the design of a biodiesel factory.All the best.Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolferoLa solucin a sus problemas energticos.http://sitio.de/energiahttp://sitio.de/energiahttp://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/http://journeytoforever.org/ energiaweb/- Original Message -From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]To: mailto:biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.combiofuels-biz@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:26 PMSubject: [biofuels-biz] greetingsThanks for setting up this group. I hope to go commercial at somepoint. Probably making equipment for processing rather than biodiesel production. Still at the prototype stage at the moment.bob golding (UK)Biofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[biofuels-biz] Free links
Hi All I'm happy to provide links to commercial biofuels from http://www.veggiepower.org.uk (unless some else plans on starting up on my doorstep!!) Does anyone have info on testing to din51606? Simon Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Free links
Hi All I'm happy to provide links to commercial biofuels from http://www.veggiepower.org.uk (unless someone else plans on starting up on my doorstep!!) Does anyone have info on testing to din51606? Simon Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] cost
Hi Pedro, No specific amount, just bottom line cost on any amount produced. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Pedro M. To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] cost To produce how many liters ??? ( i.e. 3.000 l)??? Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolferoLa solucin a sus problemas energticos. http://sitio.de/energiahttp://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/ - Original Message - From: david e cruse To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] cost Hi Keith Steve, I would like to know an easy way, if there is one, to figure what my cost will be, in a gallon of biodiesel, in any given batch that I process. How do you figure in your start up costs i.e. equipment, chemicals, etc. ? Thanks, David Cruse P.S. Congrats on the new site.Biofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[biofuels-biz] Standards - was Re: [biofuel] The importance of proper filtering
Hi David I agree with you anyway, but my lamentation over filtering didn't refer to the need to filter the biodiesel, and the main problem in this case is that it's not biodiesel anyway, but that's what they're calling it. When you first start using biodiesel, even excellent biodiesel, you have to check the fuel filter often at first because the stuff loosens up all the gunk previously laid down by the dinodiesel. These people clearly aren't being told that - but I don't know if this mixture of coconut oil and petrodiesel (blend might be stretching it a bit) has the same detergent effect or not. Coco-diesel might indeed work as claimed, if made to standard, I don't know that either, but it seems clear there aren't any quality controls at work in this case. I'm not knocking it - as Terry says, any petrodiesel replaced is good petrodiesel! But I haven't seen any reliable test results. The whole thing seems to be a sloppy mess that won't do anyone much good except maybe a few quick-buck artists. Keith, You are not the only one. I have just been waiting for this to happen and quite frankly I am suprised it has taken as long as this to arise. I believe this is always going to be a problem with small scale production but at the same time I am most definitely for small scale production as I see this area being of most help to the initial producer and being able to quickly feed back the benefits to those it can most benfit. I do not wish to see the industry concentrated into the hands or as an adjunct of the big oil companies whose record over the last 100 years speaks for itself showing a history of exploitation, abuse, and denial of the rights of the individual and minor countries. At the same time I believe anyone who is manufacturing and onselling for profit should have a moral and legal responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable standard. This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by minimum legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. That would take time, and wouldn't be easy. I'd like to see an international association of biodiesel and biofuels producers who developed and upheld their own standards among themselves, for their own good and the good of all. A comparison would be organic growing standards, with lots of local variations, generally well developed, applied, and upheld over the years by a wide variety of local bodies to which growers were affiliated, all under the regulating umbrella of IFOAM, the International Federation of Organic Agriculture Movements. None of it was legally binding (until the gummints came along, and messed it all up many say), but it worked well. There'd be a case for saying that small-scale local producers might need less regulating than monstrosities like Big Oil - we all know what self-regulation means to them! When you're part of a local community you're dealing with people who know you, your reputation really matters and it can't be rigged via a bit of spin and some loot slipped to the politicians. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ B.r., David - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: [biofuel] Coco-diesel - Engine repair claims turned down I've been expecting something like this. I've had doubts that this SVO mixture that's being misnamed biodiesel would escape the need for a dual-fuel system. This could do a lot of harm. Not cleaning the filters either. Mess. :-( Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Engine repair claims turned down Bangkok Post 28 May 2001 Carmakers, insurers want fuel regulated Walailak Keeratipipatpong Santan Santivimolnat Motorists keen to use biodiesel as fuel are thinking twice as carmakers and insurance companies are refusing to take responsibility for engine damage. snip Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings
Hey Pedro, What does 'impugned' mean? Mike -Original Message-From: Pedro M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:04 PMTo: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings Can I answer to this question, at least for Spain ??. Do the middle and little biodiesel companies has future comparated with big petroleum companies ??- In Spain there is a tax exemption for the biodiesel but it has been impugned by BP and nowadays the Spanish Goverment doesn«t give this exemption to the enterprises . Are the biodiesel companies ( like green companies like they are ) enough incentived ???. Pedro. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!!This kind of Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very importantto separate the forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" (homemade biodiesel) and the forum for large scale production with amacroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting "brain storm".Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND STEVE Mauro Ariel Knudsen Argentinean Biodieseler.Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and thanks a lot for the encouragement. Please go ahead and set the brainstorm going! Where do you think we should start?RegardsKeith AddisonBiofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [biofuels-biz] cost
Has anybody got any ideas or designs for more efficient mixers fro large scale production? I was thinking of some kind of multi-stage mixer in smaller modules to decrease mixing times ... paddy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[biofuels-biz] Re: brain strom - can the small companies compete against big oil companies...
Hi Jan Didn't you mean to send this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith Hi Pedro and Mauro, Maybe this is good point to exchange information how thing go in different countries I can say few words on Poland and the situation of biofules: Bioethanol : We have two big producers (refineries) of petrol in our country. They used to produce leaded fuel among others. Now the leaded fuel is on the decline. And as they say the bioethanol was most suitable to mix with leaded fuel. Because of that many producers of ethanol are on the virge of bankrupcy since the refineries reject to buy ethanol. And despite the law regulation that benzines that contain at least 5% of bioethanol are exempted from the excise tax there is no demand for bioethanol. This is simply because refinery prefers to add several cents to the price of one liter of the petrol and have this problem off their head. Who pays for it ? Of course all motorists. Biodiesel: No excise duty (or tax if you will) for biodiesel but. Poland used to be rapeseed superpower (almost 5% of worlds crop were located here) and almost 100% of rapeseed was used to produce vegetable oils and derivatives (margarine and the like). Farmers had contracts with vegetable oil companies (very much the same as sugar beetroot farmers with sugar refineries) and were paid rather good price. Today this price is about PLN 900/metric tonne i.e. US $ 225/tonne of rapeseed. This can be a hindrance to further development of biodiesel Petrodiesel cost on the wholesale market PLN 2200 to 2300 i.e. $525 to $575/tonne. The petrol stations belong to refineries and they...are not interested in biodiesel because this could take away profits from their owner (at least they think like that). Maybe giants are the same everywhere ? Of course official argumentation is that e.g. bioethanol is not suitable to mix with high grade benzines or that biodiesel does not comply with the quality requirements of standard diesel. This sounds very professional - but is it true ??? That is another story. Does it contribute a little to the whole picture ? Does it supplement the Spanish case ? Awaiting your opinions jan surowka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings
BP appeealed against the exemption ( no-pay of hidrocarbures tax for biodiesel ) ;( - Original Message - From: Mike Brownstone To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings Hey Pedro, What does 'impugned' mean? Mike -Original Message-From: Pedro M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:04 PMTo: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings Can I answer to this question, at least for Spain ??. Do the middle and little biodiesel companies has future comparated with big petroleum companies ??- In Spain there is a tax exemption for the biodiesel but it has been impugned by BP and nowadays the Spanish Goverment doesn«t give this exemption to the enterprises . Are the biodiesel companies ( like green companies like they are ) enough incentived ???. Pedro. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!!This kind of Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very importantto separate the forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" (homemade biodiesel) and the forum for large scale production with amacroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting "brain storm".Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND STEVE Mauro Ariel Knudsen Argentinean Biodieseler.Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and thanks a lot for the encouragement. Please go ahead and set the brainstorm going! Where do you think we should start?RegardsKeith AddisonBiofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[biofuels-biz] Re: cost
Dear Biodieselers, From the cataloques and web sites of some lab. equipment companies i read about pipe , tube and sanitary mixers which enable the mixing of slurries in a pipe, while pumping. What i want to learn from you if it is possible to get continous biodiesel process by the help of these kind of mixers and reduce the cost. Here is the web site of Cole parmer from where you can get detailed information about mixers. http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/0102_pdf/U-1066_67.PDF http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/product_index.asp? cls=3224par=3129,3219,3220cat=1 http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/product_view.asp? sku=cls=par=3129,3219,3220cat=1sch=242sel=0466828lstBool=true Best Regards Huseyin TURCAN --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody got any ideas or designs for more efficient mixers fro large scale production? I was thinking of some kind of multi- stage mixer in smaller modules to decrease mixing times ... paddy Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: brain strom - can the small companies compete against big oil companies...
Well, here in Spain there is another view. The hidrocarbure Market is liberalizated and there is more than 2 refineries . But you need to be Bill Gates ( a richman person or very rich companie ) to be a wholesale petrol operator ( 5.000 millions ptas 30.050.605 euros ). I imagine in the future, Polland (in the E.U. )will have more competition. We no use leaded fuel in Spain ( only very old vehicles and in the future it«s going to be banned, following the laws ). There is a company in Spain named Ecocarburantes, that mixes the gasoline with ethanol (ETB ) . It«s situated in Escombreras ( Murcia ), near the refineries. It has obtained the exemption ( of the alcohol excise duty and the petrol excise duty) , the first one in Spains and I think the last upto the appeal of the exemption is going to be resolved. In the future, I imagine the gasoline motors ( for new cars )will be banned, because they are contaminators ( cannot use renewable energies, like biodiesel ). I believe more in Biodiesel and Bio-oils. People uses directly the sunflower oil to mix with the petrodiesel ( 50 % ) and from time to time they clean the motor. Another source for power it«s biodiesel from waste oil. You need authoritation to pick it up. The more succesfull companies are the little and middle companies ( the big companies need less protection in this field against the Middle And Litlle Enterprises, M.A.L.E.). The petro-station, for sure, won«t sell the biodiesel, because there is not enough and they are dominated by big operator ( CEPSA, BP, REPSOL-YPF and so on ). So, we need a more clean Market for petro-stations ( I believe all over the world ). So we can fight for not exclusivity contract between petrol operator and fuel-stations. In 2.010 ( how long ) at least 10 % of the energy must be renewable ( European Union Decission ). http://www.eea.eu.int/ We have just created the Spanish Biodiesel and Renewable Energies Association. I believe we need an European Association too ( the BP appeal in the European Court it«s a demostration we need it ). I, like you too, believe that a Report about all the European Hidrocarbures Market and the Biofuels there it«s important. Pedro. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[biofuels-biz] Quality
For this quality problems in Polland, we and the Spanish State in the laws have find a solution : standarization. To sell Diesel ( any kind of... Petro-diesel, biodiesel ) you have to obey the standards. They are http://www.cenorm.be/CEN Standards. ( EN590). For Heating Diesel ( C Class Diesel ) you need less requirement that for Car Diesel ( Carburant or A Class Diesel ). The analizing costs less. You can see the Spanish Guarantee Organization http://www.enac.es/and some laboratories that can qualify ( analize and certificate the good results, if they are good, of course ) : http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/analisis.htm So, we have no problems with quality. All the best. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [biofuels-biz] cost
I have heard from a friend that the bigger the quantity the bigger the costs ( because you need more extra elements ). All the best. Pedro. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [biofuels-biz] Greetings
Hi Cordain, Can`t be of much help on your questions about these things, but just wanted to say thanks for your answers to my question about costs. David Cruse Atlanta,Ga. - Original Message - From: doctor who [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:31 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Greetings Greetings my name is Cordain Lucas I am also on Biofuels and BFIC. I joined this list because I am looking for more information on getting funding, licensing, trading requirements, safety requirements, insurance, distribution and marketing, and so on and on, nor about the special requirements of biofuels operations in these areas. As Keith Addison put it. I am in the long process of getting a 1k gpd RVO bio-diesel plant up and operational. Insert Theme to 'Impossible Dream' But as such am buried behind a stack of papers that has taken over my home and all my free time. BTW I still work a full time job until I start generating capitol or find some wealthy investors. Does anyone have Woody Allen's phone number? I have alot of questions about licensing, special permits (federal I'll be doing the VA state stuff soon). As I am writing my business plan right now my main questions right now have to deal with collection and distribution. What are folks using to collect mass quantities of used vegetable oil? Also what kind of contract is necessary for waste oil collection? (I know what a contract is, and I could have my lawyer draft one easily, but I'm more concerned about specifics that I may not think to have him include or possible oversights) . I have hundreds more questions but I need to keep myself organized and I'm sure as this list picks up alot of them will be answered. I look forward to chatting with you folks. Also since I'm at it if your looking for free/confidential counseling to starting your business check out www.score.org and www.sba.gov. These are both government programs or agencies so I didnt get payed to say that. cheers, Cordain Lucas Dulles, VA _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol
- Original Message - From: Gary and Jos Kimlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol Paul my next batch will be with cotton seed oil. I intend to use the twostage with KOH rather than NaOH. The best I can do with NaOH seems to be 80-85% pure, Pure reagent grade NaOH can be obtained from chemical supply warehouses. Various grades of purity (not water content) are available. Analytical grade is not needed, technical grade is more than suitable. suspect that leaves too much water to avoid soaps. I'll take KOH is $100/25kg and Methanol $30/20l drum. Will check up on local prices and advise. Haven't had to buy methanol yet friend gave me 2 20L drums) but think that it is about $200.00 Australian for a 200L drum. Any experience using glycerin as a heating fuel? Afraid not but very interested in same. With winter begining and an aging slow combustion stove I,m looking for alternatives. Some interesting postings on this subject over last month or so. Regards , Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO storage
- Original Message - From: Bud Lois Pitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone tell me how long WVO will store and still be usable for biodiesel and what would be the best storage conditions? Also how long will BD store before it becomes contaminate with organisms as petro diesel does? Have been experimenting with waste cotten seed oil that has been stored in 20L drums for over a month. During that time the oil has become progressively thicker and more opaque. In line with my aim to simplify the production of BD by reducing input of time energy and equipment I have been processing the oil cold straight from the drum. Result 500ml oil+ 75ml methanol containing 3 grams NaOH gives 350 ml BD + 250ml heavy white sludge. Same oil when heated to 160 deg C (probably doesn't need to go that high) and cooled back to 20 deg C gives a clear golden brown oil of lower viscosity. During the heat there was no indication that water was present. Cold processing this oil gave excellent results, two layers about 500ml BD and75ml glycerine which separated rapidly. Unless I can process the oil as it is drained from the fryers I will heat the oil before processing. Having heated the oil it can be cooled to 55 deg C and processed. Ammount of NaOH I have been using is below theoretical optimum so will try 55 deg processing with increased NaOH. Regards, Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bubblewash murkyness
I have a very nice ph meter! I also did a hydrometer check - .86 I nipped home at lunchtime and took the oil to 80oC then took the heat off. I'll let you know if it clears. Ian - Original Message - From: Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] bubblewash murkyness How do you determine your pH accuracy to hundredths? If so, looks OK to me Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: EREN Network News -- 5/30/01
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:00:10 -0600 From: Kevin Eber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: National Renewable Energy Laboratory To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: EREN Network News -- 5/30/01 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = EREN NETWORK NEWS -- May 30, 2001 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring: *News and Events Home Fuel Cells to be Sold in California, Tested in Chicago Biodiesel Fueling Stations Debut in Nevada, California General Motors to Squeeze Efficiency out of V-8 Engines Innovative Solar Electric Systems Use Holographs and Dyes Mustard Plants Produce Low-Cost Enzymes for Making Ethanol *Site News The 20 Percent Solution *Energy Facts and Tips NERC Predicts U.S. Electricity Woes this Summer *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- Home Fuel Cells to be Sold in California, Tested in Chicago H Power Corp. announced on May 10th that it plans to sell residential fuel cell systems in California in the near future. The company claims that it will start manufacturing and shipping the fuel cell systems on a limited basis within the next several months. H Power will work with Energy Co-Opportunity, Inc. to market the fuel cells to homeowners, and Altair Energy LLC will sell, install, and service the systems. See the H Power press release at: http://www.hpower.com/NEWScalifornia.html. Fuel cells will also be delivered soon to several Chicago- area families as part of a pilot project run by the Community Energy Cooperative and EPRIsolutions, a subsidiary of the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI). EPRI announced in mid-May that the pilot project will begin in the fourth quarter of this year. See the press release by selecting Current Releases on the EPRI Web site at: http://www.epri.com/corporate/discover_epri/news/index.html. Fuel cells can use natural gas or other fuels to produce electrical power for homes or commercial buildings. Excess heat from the fuel cell can also be used to heat water or provide space heating. To learn more, see the Fuel Cells page on EREN at: http://www.eren.doe.gov/RE/hydrogen_fuel_cells.html. Biodiesel Fueling Stations Debut in Nevada, California Two public fueling stations -- one in Nevada, one in California -- began selling biodiesel fuel last week, marking the first time that the U.S. public can purchase the fuel at the pump. Biodiesel is a clean-burning diesel fuel produced from such sources as soybeans or recycled cooking oil. World Energy Alternatives began selling biodiesel at a gas station in San Francisco that is run by Olympian, Inc. See the World Energy press release at: http://www.worldenergy.net/biodiesel_at_the_pump.htm. Biodiesel Industries, Inc. also began selling biodiesel at a gas station in Sparks, Nevada, that is run by Western Energetics Cardlock. Biodiesel Industries, in conjunction with Haycock Petroleum, operates a biodiesel plant in Las Vegas that produces the fuel from waste cooking oils from the city's casino resorts and restaurants. The company was recently awarded a contract from the Las Vegas Valley Water District, the City of Las Vegas, and the Clark County Health Department that will total more than a million gallons of biodiesel annually. See the Biodiesel Industries Web site at: http://www.pipeline.to/biodiesel/. The biodiesel industry is growing, as witnessed by the announcement last week of a new biodiesel production facility in California. Southern States Power Company, Inc. announced that its Coachella Valley Biodiesel Production Facility is near completion and will start producing fuel in early June. The plant will initially produce 10 million gallons of fuel per year, but has room for added capacity in the future. See the Southern States Power press release at: http://www.sspowerco.com/may21.html. General Motors to Squeeze Efficiency out of V-8 Engines General Motors Corporation (GM) is doing its best to hold onto the powerful V-8 engine while pursing improved fuel efficiency. The company announced last week that it has developed a new technology that will use only four of the eight cylinders for most driving conditions, firing up the other four cylinders for accelerating or pulling heavy loads. Called Displacement on Demand, the system can improve fuel efficiency by up to 25 percent, according to GM. The company plans to sell more than 150,000 trucks and sport utility vehicles (SUVs) with the new engines in 2004, increasing to 1.5 million vehicles in 2007. See the GM press release at: http://www.gm.com/cgi-bin/pr_display.pl?2263. GM also released new details about its hybrid
Re: [biofuel] Fuel to fuel ratios
You are talking life cycle analyses, and they are all different due to wide variety of input variations. As a rough guide, it takes about 15% of the energy produced by the field to produce biodiesel - same as petrodiesel. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fuel to fuel ratios
Does anyone have ready to hand figures (in broad outline) on the ratio of gross fuel needed to grown bio-crops and produce bio-fuel (eg farm machinery/tractors, processing etc) to net bio-fuel yeilds from the process? Thank you, Ray Foulk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] For purifying glyc
Solvent purification distillers by Recycling Sciences, Inc. Set the temperature and leave it alone. It'll purify the glycerol, at a price. Maybe you can find a second-hand one for about $5,000. http://www.rescience.com Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] The importance of proper filtering
Keith, You are not the only one. I have just been waiting for this to happen and quite frankly I am suprised it has taken as long as this to arise. I believe this is always going to be a problem with small scale production but at the same time I am most definitely for small scale production as I see this area being of most help to the initial producer and being able to quickly feed back the benefits to those it can most benfit. I do not wish to see the industry concentrated into the hands or as an adjunct of the big oil companies whose record over the last 100 years speaks for itself showing a history of exploitation, abuse, and denial of the rights of the individual and minor countries. At the same time I believe anyone who is manufacturing and onselling for profit should have a moral and legal responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable standard. This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by minimum legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. B.r., David - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: [biofuel] Coco-diesel - Engine repair claims turned down I've been expecting something like this. I've had doubts that this SVO mixture that's being misnamed biodiesel would escape the need for a dual-fuel system. This could do a lot of harm. Not cleaning the filters either. Mess. :-( Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Engine repair claims turned down Bangkok Post 28 May 2001 Carmakers, insurers want fuel regulated Walailak Keeratipipatpong Santan Santivimolnat Motorists keen to use biodiesel as fuel are thinking twice as carmakers and insurance companies are refusing to take responsibility for engine damage. Repair guarantees and insurance will not cover the damage until specifications of alternative fuels are set by regulators, the companies say. A Nakhon Pathom motorist, Praphan Morakotchinda, 26, is a test case. The employee of a private company filled the tank of his Ford Ranger pickup with 16 litres of biodiesel, which cost him 200 baht from a filling station in Sampran district. When he turned on the ignition, the engine started working but the car did not move. He added more diesel oil to the tank, but to no avail. A technician inspected the engine and told him to replace the filter, which was full of dirt and grease. However, the pickup would not budge until all the fuel had been pumped out and replaced by undiluted diesel oil. The owner of the service station told Mr Praphan that he had bought the biodiesel from Samut Sakhon. The mixture contained 30% diesel oil and 70% coconut oil. As the pickup was still covered by a sales warranty, Mr Praphan asked whether his car dealer would replace the filter at no charge. The dealer refused. As well, Mr Praphan's insurance company declined to pay the cost of replacing the filter. Insurance industry spokesmen say they are worried there will be a rash of claims resulting from the increasing use of many types of blended fuels, none of which are covered by regulations. Nopadol Santipakorn, vice-chairman of the auto insurance group of the General Insurance Association, said engine damage caused by the use of non-regulated petroleum products would not be covered by insurance. Insurance covers damage to the bodywork and engine in an accident, not the use of fuels other than those specified in the driver's manual. If a motorist wanted additional coverage for alternative fuels, it could be obtained through buying a special insurance policy against damage by innovations and inventions. New types of drugs, tyres and fuel would fall in this category, he said. Noravat Suwan, head of the Insurance Department, said that under current regulations vehicle-friendly biodiesel must be at least 90% diesel oil, the other ingredient being purified palm or coconut oil, as stated by the Petroleum Authority of Thailand. An employee of Tri Petch Isuzu Sales Co, the country's biggest seller of light trucks, said the company would accept claims only if the vehicle had been used according to the conditions specified in the warranty. He said that no industry organisation or state agency had yet certified biofuels, especially biodiesel, as suitable for auto engines. Therefore, it was difficult to accept repair claims. However, the company would check whether the breakdown was due to biofuels or defective engine parts. A mechanic at Toyota Mahanakhorn Co, a major Toyota dealer in Bangkok, said he could not confirm whether the warranty was invalidated if Toyota trucks were powered by biofuels. For any claim that is outside the warranty conditions, the dealers have to consult the carmakers, he said. The warranty terms for Toyota pickups stated that only
Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel
David Reid writes: ...At the same time I believe anyone who is manufacturing and selling for profit should have a moral and legal responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable standard. This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by minimum legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. That's why I'd rather not go for profit -- let the corporations do that, they're going to make the government regulate the hell out of it anyway (for their own benefit, of course!) We little people can stick with co-ops, pooling our own resources and labor to get cheap fuel for our own use. Any bigger than that and we'll be squashed.-K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Aleks' 'foolproof method' methanol reclaim
In a message dated 5/30/01 12:56:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aleks, I'm the one that failed w/ 11 litres of WVO that at room temp. is liquid. Methanol was a few months old but was always sealed in fuel container.The lye was also a few months old but still pretty granular.I used 1100 ml. mixed for 5 min. added 11 ml. sulfuric acid. WVO was heated to approx. 140 degrees F. Mixed oil after adding acid , for 45 min. The next day I added second stage sodium methoxide and mixed for aprrox. 45 min. w/ a higher rpm. motor than I used for first stage. I allowed to settle through the weekend. Mon. am. I had what appeared to be soap.The WVO I used had been settling for sometime and the solids had settled to bottom. I used only the oil that appeared to be translucent.It looked dry but may have had some water in it. The WVO that I was going to use , I heated to 150 degrees F. ,let it settle overnite but it did not seperate. So that is why I used the cleaner looking oil . Aleks I need some of your expertise here please Kevin from Pa. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel
Ken, I dont agree. The manufacturing process is fairly simple and is not expensive to set up. I believe all biodiesel that is being SOLD should be filtered and to an acceptable standard. What I wish to see here is not the exclusion of the small person but the exclusion of substandard manufacturing plant such as rusty drums, laundry tubs, and other grossly inferior equipment and materials which will lead to greatly inferior standards. For the sake of the industry some minimum standards are required. How would you feel if you just bought an expensive vehicle (remember vehicles in third world countries while they may be cheap by standards in developed countries still represent a heavy investment), and you then used biodiesel you purchased in good faith but which was grossly inferior which lead to the breakdown and damage to the motor? If the seller was able to walk away saying its not my fault he shouldnt have bought it in the first place I can tell you that you would feel pretty ripped off. For this reason minimum standards are required. I agree with you when manufacturing for your own use the standards dont have to be as high, but for onsale an acceptable standard must apply. B.r., David - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel David Reid writes: ...At the same time I believe anyone who is manufacturing and selling for profit should have a moral and legal responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable standard. This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by minimum legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. That's why I'd rather not go for profit -- let the corporations do that, they're going to make the government regulate the hell out of it anyway (for their own benefit, of course!) We little people can stick with co-ops, pooling our own resources and labor to get cheap fuel for our own use. Any bigger than that and we'll be squashed.-K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: EREN Network News -- 5/30/01
Havnt had time to read all but cellulase project looks interesting. B,r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] anyone have detailed pictures of a biodiesel making setup??
Im curious to make some biodiesel, but i want to have everything right before i start. Im pretty confident in chemistry part of it, maybe a little sketchy on washing the fuel, but some detailed pics of a setup would help me, thanks eric __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Standards - was Re: [biofuel] The importance of proper filtering
Hi David I agree with you anyway, but my lamentation over filtering didn't refer to the need to filter the biodiesel, and the main problem in this case is that it's not biodiesel anyway, but that's what they're calling it. When you first start using biodiesel, even excellent biodiesel, you have to check the fuel filter often at first because the stuff loosens up all the gunk previously laid down by the dinodiesel. These people clearly aren't being told that - but I don't know if this mixture of coconut oil and petrodiesel (blend might be stretching it a bit) has the same detergent effect or not. Coco-diesel might indeed work as claimed, if made to standard, I don't know that either, but it seems clear there aren't any quality controls at work in this case. I'm not knocking it - as Terry says, any petrodiesel replaced is good petrodiesel! But I haven't seen any reliable test results. The whole thing seems to be a sloppy mess that won't do anyone much good except maybe a few quick-buck artists. Keith, You are not the only one. I have just been waiting for this to happen and quite frankly I am suprised it has taken as long as this to arise. I believe this is always going to be a problem with small scale production but at the same time I am most definitely for small scale production as I see this area being of most help to the initial producer and being able to quickly feed back the benefits to those it can most benfit. I do not wish to see the industry concentrated into the hands or as an adjunct of the big oil companies whose record over the last 100 years speaks for itself showing a history of exploitation, abuse, and denial of the rights of the individual and minor countries. At the same time I believe anyone who is manufacturing and onselling for profit should have a moral and legal responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable standard. This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by minimum legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. That would take time, and wouldn't be easy. I'd like to see an international association of biodiesel and biofuels producers who developed and upheld their own standards among themselves, for their own good and the good of all. A comparison would be organic growing standards, with lots of local variations, generally well developed, applied, and upheld over the years by a wide variety of local bodies to which growers were affiliated, all under the regulating umbrella of IFOAM, the International Federation of Organic Agriculture Movements. None of it was legally binding (until the gummints came along, and messed it all up many say), but it worked well. There'd be a case for saying that small-scale local producers might need less regulating than monstrosities like Big Oil - we all know what self-regulation means to them! When you're part of a local community you're dealing with people who know you, your reputation really matters and it can't be rigged via a bit of spin and some loot slipped to the politicians. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ B.r., David - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: [biofuel] Coco-diesel - Engine repair claims turned down I've been expecting something like this. I've had doubts that this SVO mixture that's being misnamed biodiesel would escape the need for a dual-fuel system. This could do a lot of harm. Not cleaning the filters either. Mess. :-( Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Engine repair claims turned down Bangkok Post 28 May 2001 Carmakers, insurers want fuel regulated Walailak Keeratipipatpong Santan Santivimolnat Motorists keen to use biodiesel as fuel are thinking twice as carmakers and insurance companies are refusing to take responsibility for engine damage. snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] anyone have detailed pictures of a biodiesel making setup??
Eric when you get the pics be a good man and send them to me too please. Thanks, E.C. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_simon.html Building a biodiesel mixer http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_mike.html Mike Pelly's recipe Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: [biofuel] anyone have detailed pictures of a biodiesel making setup?? Im curious to make some biodiesel, but i want to have everything right before i start. Im pretty confident in chemistry part of it, maybe a little sketchy on washing the fuel, but some detailed pics of a setup would help me, thanks eric Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The importance of proper filtering
What is a MIL-Mac Fuel Filter? Where can you buy this? Is there a generic name for this or is it used specifically by any vehicle? What really is the mesh size of this filter, we maybe able to use filters for water with the same mesh size... any comments to this Ken C. At 10:17 AM 5/31/01 +1200, you wrote: PROOF THAT MIL-MAC FUEL FILTERS WORK Further to my earlier e-mail below following are the results of fuel filter tests conducted on diesel fuel untreated (direct from pump at the local service station) and the same fuel after being run through a MIL-MAC fuel filter. The tests were conducted by IPL (the laboratory attached to the New Zealand Refinery Co refinery at Marsden Point the sole refinery in New Zealand and the provider to all the 5 major oil companies and over 95% of NZ fuel and oil requirements) an independent laboratory which does all the analytical work for the refinery. The tests were paid for by BP who were also interested in the results and there is no way the results can be misrepresented or misconstrued. As people may be aware we have a major fuel problem in NZ at present with about 350,000,000 litres of diesel, which has been prepared for the winter season with the addition of a polymer additive, which is now distributed throughout the country, and which is now causing rough running, some engine stoppages, some injector pump fouling, and heavy fuel filter fouling. The oil companies have all said they will pay for filter relacements. The problem is a lot of filters are fouling quite rapidly. The problem is caused by the additive which is not dissolving into the fuel properly and remaining in suspension but separating out and clumping together blocking up filters etc. As a result the fishing industry has been unoperational for a week now, it being considered too unsafe to let fishing boats put to sea. Also a number of freight operators have pulled vehicles off the road and quite a lot of private motorists have been affected at the same time. The tests conducted were a rather simple one which appears to be a fairly universal one, filtering 500 ml through a certain screen size in 3 minutes or less. If the filter passes the 500ml in under 3 minutes then it is an automatic pass, and if the amount is under 500ml then it is an automatic fail. In this case the size of the additive particles can be up to 8 micron in size going down to virtually zero or dissolvement. Test 1: Untreated diesel direct from pump. Time: 180 seconds (3 minutes) Passed: 355 ml Result: Failed. Test 2: Diesel filtered through MIL-MAC Fuel filter. Time: 47 seconds Passed: 500 ml Result: Passed As can be seen from the above results all filtered diesel passed in under one minute at the average rate of over 10 ml per second. whereas with the untreated diesel only 71% passed in the full test period. In this case the filtered diesel passed at over 5 times the speed of the unfiltered diesel. I believe these filters have direct application to the Biofuel industry and would advise all end users to fit one or an identical similar type filter that will filter to the same degree to all vehicles using biodiesel or standard filtered vegetable oil. B.r., David - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:31 AM Subject: [biofuel] The importance of proper filtering Keith, You are not the only one. I have just been waiting for this to happen and quite frankly I am suprised it has taken as long as this to arise. I believe this is always going to be a problem with small scale production but at the same time I am most definitely for small scale production as I see this area being of most help to the initial producer and being able to quickly feed back the benefits to those it can most benfit. I do not wish to see the industry concentrated into the hands or as an adjunct of the big oil companies whose record over the last 100 years speaks for itself showing a history of exploitation, abuse, and denial of the rights of the individual and minor countries. At the same time I believe anyone who is manufacturing and onselling for profit should have a moral and legal responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable standard. This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by minimum legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. B.r., David - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: [biofuel] Coco-diesel - Engine repair claims turned down I've been expecting something like this. I've had doubts that this SVO mixture that's being misnamed biodiesel would escape the need for a dual-fuel system. This could do a lot of harm. Not cleaning the filters either. Mess. :-(
Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472
Hi Harry I'm not sure how to answer you. I tried, but found I was just repeating myself. I think your QEDs aren't, I see quite a few non-sequiturs instead. As below, just a couple of instances. Further to that, re population growth, you misunderstand the dynamics of poverty and population growth. It is well established, easy to find good information. The best way to decrease population growth is to improve the economic situation of the poor, especially of poor women. Helping poor women to get an education is highly effective. Again, help is a dangerous idea - in the vast majority of cases, these people do not need charity, it can do (and often does) more harm than good. What they usually need is the constraints removed so they can help themselves. These are usually external constraints, not home-grown barriers to progress arising from their being primitive or incompetent or unmodernised illiterates who don't know any better. Now you have made me think!! Naturally I don't mean to support the global free trade push, rather I support regulation at the national level, but it is the mechanism of that regulation I am struggling to identify. As below (This is improving my expression but I am still waiting for mechanism), you're looking for a fix-all, there isn't one, any more than there's a best technology for energy in all circumstances whatever the context. It's always different in the next valley. Trying to fit the context to the technology tends to have unfortunate side-effects. If you haven't already, try reading Schumacher's Small is Beautiful - Economics as if people mattered, and ask yourself why it might be that Appropriate Technology, developed in support of small-scale eeconomics, is almost invariably seen as something for the Third World, not for developed countries, though many say that's where it's really needed. Answers to the questions Who benefits? - and at whose expense? have to be rigorously pursued. The true answers are very often just the opposite of those initially offered. I like your point about real capitalism as opposed to the corporate way. Unfortunately the pooling of resources may be a characteristic of modern man in that it gave a selective advantage to the tribes that employed it best. What has the corporate way got to do with the pooling of resources? What you're referring to is the normal cooperation that permeates all societies and always has done - some say it's what societies were formed to facilitate. Against this background, the corporate way is a newcomer, and a gross usurper. I am not convinced that this is intrinsically evil. Even at a village level those who benefit from working together need a way to demonstrate a social conscience, in the absence of a spiritual incentive, taxation seems appropriate. No, it's top-down, no spiritual incentive is required, at local level it has traditionally worked well more often than not. And the not has usually arisen from external influences - such as the tax you propose. You're reinventing the wheel. All that needs to happen is for the common man to be left alone. - Skip Goebel (www.sensiblesteam.com) Do you know these good people? The Institute for Local Self-Reliance (ILSR) is a 23-year old organization that works with both the public and private sectors in the US on economic development through the efficient use of local resources. http://www.ilsr.org/ Please see: http://journeytoforever.org/community.html http://journeytoforever.org/community2.html I'll withdraw now, Harry. There are a lot of leads for you to follow up if you want to, should be ample. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ ---profits are privatized, but costs are socialized. The attendant repair and maintenance are left to succeeding generations if possible, if not, to present low and middle income taxpayers. snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol
Any experience using glycerin as a heating fuel? Afraid not but very interested in same. With winter begining and an aging slow combustion stove I,m looking for alternatives. Some interesting postings on this subject over last month or so. Regards , Paul Be sure you have efficient combustion or you risk releasing toxins (acroleine). Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Green Party Battle Bus
No problem using biodiesel in an older vehicle, provided rubber fuel lines replaced. Wouldn't recommend it on a log term basis, but certainly for the demo period. Supply in UK not very good - try Ebony Solutions Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Green Party Battle Bus
I was astonished to hear the launch of the Green Party general election Battle Bus in London this week. When asked what is so green about this battle bus? the spokesperson defended it in terms of it being a red London bus of 1954 vintage, thus demonstrating that products can be designed for a long life and not trashed for a new model every few years. Good point, I thought, but what about the diesel? Could they be using biodiesel for this bus (without having to make any changes to the engine/carb, bearing in mind that the Green Party have probably borrowed the bus from a collector of vintage vehicles who is likely to be most protective about it)? Where would they obtain the fuel locally? This seems to me like a huge missed opportunity, in view of the publicity they received, and its not too late to do something. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Mustard Plants Produce Low-Cost Enzymes for Making Ethanol
Keith, I saw your previous posting on this subject and have sent the below inserted email to Professor Danna. I have not yet received a reply to may fist message to her. Maybe I'll have better luck this time. Hanns Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2001 7:06 PM To: Kathleen Danna Subject:Cellulase Enzymes Dear Professor Danna, Previously I sent the following email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], which I got from the on line staff list at CU Boulder:- The following appeared in article about your research on the Environment News Science web site:- http://ens-news.com/ens/may2001/2001L-05-24-09.html QUOTE Associate professor Kathleen Danna of the molecular, cellular and developmental biology department and her research team created a new technique they expect to produce low cost enzymes vital for the conversion of plant cellulose into ethanol. Producing large quantities of the enzymes could slash costs for the processing of renewable fuels from plant biomass, said Danna. UNQUOTE I am interested in starting a project in Papua New Guinea to produce ethanol from waste generated during the logging and saw milling process as well as from other plant wastes such as that from the production of palm oil and copra. Are you able to give me any indication regarding the commercial availability of the enzymes or of the licensing for their production. Today I saw another article, more detailed, in the UC News dated 23 May 2001. I am neither an academic nor a chemist, but have close contacts with the people and government of Papua New Guinea and am very interested in kicking off an ethanol project there as I mentioned above. Unfortunately there is still much logging going on there but also saw milling and large scale palm oil production. My interest focuses on he waste products of these industries. That is why I sent you the previous email on 26 May 2001, which because of the different address may not have reached you. On the other hand, the questions I asked there might have been far to early. I do not know about the mustard weed, but tobacco and corn grow well in PNG. Once genetically modified, can these plants reproduce in that state, or do they have to be cloned? Any opinions you may have for the possibility of your process being used in PNG would be greatly appreciated. You may know that PNG is a fossil oil exporter, but the wells are relatively small and already in decline. The country does not have any crude oil processing infrastructure and all refined products are imported. PNG also has a large current account deficit and this form of import substitution would benefit its economy as well as create jobs. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2001 1:55 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Mustard Plants Produce Low-Cost Enzymes for Making Ethanol Mustard Plants Produce Low-Cost Enzymes for Making Ethanol Researchers at the University of Colorado (CU) at Boulder announced last week the development of a potentially low- cost method of producing the cellulase enzyme. Cellulase is a crucial component in the conversion of woody biomass materials, like grasses and trees, into ethanol. The CU- Boulder researchers transplanted a bacterial gene that codes for the production of cellulase into a tiny weed species in the mustard family known as Arabidopsis thallana. Raised under controlled conditions, the plants manufactured significant quantities of cellulase, which could then be harvested from the plants. The researchers believe that other plants, such as tobacco or corn, could also be used to produce the enzyme. See the CU-Boulder press release at: http://www.colorado.edu/PublicRelations/NewsReleases/2001/1244.html http://www.colorado.edu/PublicRelations/NewsReleases/2001/1244.html Public Relations Press Release Contact: Kathleen Danna, (303) 492-8735 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anson Kendall, (303) 492-6692 Jim Scott, (303) 492-3114 May 23, 2001 NEW CU-BOULDER RESEARCH MAY REDUCE RENEWABLE FUELS COSTS Researchers at the University of Colorado at Boulder have developed a novel process involving the production of ethanol that could lead to a significant decrease in the cost of renewable fuel. Associate Professor Kathleen Danna of the molecular, cellular and developmental biology department and her research team created a new technique they expect to produce large amounts of low-cost, highly effective enzymes vital for the conversion of plant cellulose into ethanol. Successfully producing large quantities of the enzymes could significantly lower costs for the processing of renewable fuels from plant biomass, said Danna. By promoting the development of renewable fuels, our work should have significant economic and environmental impact, she said. An established biofuels industry will strengthen U.S. agriculture and reduce our country's dependence on foreign oil. Ethanol, also known as ethyl alcohol, is a clean-burning fuel that is used as a gasoline
[biofuel] glycerine as a fuel.....
Information for Paul, Maybe instead of bothering with glycerine as fuel one could use it as a...fertilizer . I have heard that glycerine after diluting with water can be used a soil nutrient jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ems-energy.pl Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] brain strom - can the small companies compete against big oil companies...
Hi Pedro and Mauro, Maybe this is good point to exchange information how thing go in different countries I can say few words on Poland and the situation of biofules: Bioethanol : We have two big producers (refineries) of petrol in our country. They used to produce leaded fuel among others. Now the leaded fuel is on the decline. And as they say the bioethanol was most suitable to mix with leaded fuel. Because of that many producers of ethanol are on the virge of bankrupcy since the refineries reject to buy ethanol. And despite the law regulation that benzines that contain at least 5% of bioethanol are exempted from the excise tax there is no demand for bioethanol. This is simply because refinery prefers to add several cents to the price of one liter of the petrol and have this problem off their head. Who pays for it ? Of course all motorists. Biodiesel: No excise duty (or tax if you will) for biodiesel but. Poland used to be rapeseed superpower (almost 5% of worlds crop were located here) and almost 100% of rapeseed was used to produce vegetable oils and derivatives (margarine and the like). Farmers had contracts with vegetable oil companies (very much the same as sugar beetroot farmers with sugar refineries) and were paid rather good price. Today this price is about PLN 900/metric tonne i.e. US $ 225/tonne of rapeseed. This can be a hindrance to further development of biodiesel Petrodiesel cost on the wholesale market PLN 2200 to 2300 i.e. $525 to $575/tonne. The petrol stations belong to refineries and they...are not interested in biodiesel because this could take away profits from their owner (at least they think like that). Maybe giants are the same everywhere ? Of course official argumentation is that e.g. bioethanol is not suitable to mix with high grade benzines or that biodiesel does not comply with the quality requirements of standard diesel. This sounds very professional - but is it true ??? That is another story. Does it contribute a little to the whole picture ? Does it supplement the Spanish case ? Awaiting your opinions jan surowka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biodiesel standard ????
The following web site compares their product to DIN 51606 and to US ASTM standards. Ray. At 5/28/01 11:21:00 AM, you wrote: Hi to all, I have learned through the Slovak server (found on google by writing the word bionafta which stands in Slovak language for biodiesel) that in Germany they use the standard for biodiesel DIN 51606. If the biodiesel conforms to this standard in can be commonly traded in Germany. I suppose that it is quality of biodiesel standard. Does anyone know how or where to get this standard ? Maybe there exist the American/English or Australian standard on biodiesel - I would prefer it since I do not speak German. Can anyone help me, please ? jan surówka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Ray in Atlanta, GA Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biodiesel standard ????
The following web site compares their product to DIN 51606 and to US ASTM standards: http://www.biodiesel.com/biodiesel_fuel.htm Ray At 5/28/01 11:21:00 AM, you wrote: Hi to all, I have learned through the Slovak server (found on google by writing the word bionafta which stands in Slovak language for biodiesel) that in Germany they use the standard for biodiesel DIN 51606. If the biodiesel conforms to this standard in can be commonly traded in Germany. I suppose that it is quality of biodiesel standard. Does anyone know how or where to get this standard ? Maybe there exist the American/English or Australian standard on biodiesel - I would prefer it since I do not speak German. Can anyone help me, please ? jan surówka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Ray in Atlanta, GA Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
