[biofuel] Re: Using KOH

[girl_mark_fire]

just like I said below it;s not a problem in the titration end of it 
(ie, the amount the titration tells you to add) It is a potential 
problem if it makes the base amount incorrect. Perhaps. that's what I 
was asking about...
mark



--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "jfbusby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When you do the titration you are finding the concentration of 
OH...both
> potassium and sodium hydroxide.. I dont think there is a problem in 
this
> case.
> John Busby
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:17 AM
> Subject: [biofuel] Using KOH
> 
> 
> > Cross-posting..
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >From: "girl_mark_fire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:03:51 -
> > >Subject: [Biodiesel] Re: I'm Baaa-aaack!!!
> > >
> > >A local chemist friend of mine said that the adulturants in less-
than-
> > >pure KOH is frequently NaOH. I can't easily get an assay on the 
KOH
> > >I've got. Does anyone have any info on how often this actually
> > >happens?
> > >
> > >Here's why I'm bringing it up: People frequently suggest doing a
> > >little math to determine how much KOH to use when working with 
lower
> > >grades of it, such as 80% pure. Obviously titration will tell you
> > >about any extra needed for the ffa- but you have to calculate the
> > >base amount up from the 4.9 grams if working with low purity 
KOH. I
> > >would think that if the assay on the chemical is high in NaOH, it
> > >would throw your calulations way off because that NaOH will also
> > >react- thus giving you a more potent KOH than you think you 
have. Any
> > >thoughts, and do any of you know much about how frequent this 
NaOH
> > >adulturation is? How much of a difference would 20% NaOH make in 
a
> > >drum-sized batch anyway?
> > >
> > >mark
> >
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[biofuel] EERE Network News -- 03/12/03

[EERE]

==
EERE NETWORK NEWS -- March 12, 2003
A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE)
Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE).

==

Featuring:
*News and Events
   Shell and GM to Bring Fuel Cell Vehicles to Washington, D.C.
   California to Loosen Rules Mandating Electric Vehicle Sales
   Battery Advancements Hold Promise for Electric Vehicles
   Studies: Aluminum Frames, "Air Hybrids" Yield Fuel Savings
   DIY Network Revisits Solar Decathlon as DOE Plans for 2005
   DOE Provides $3 Million for Energy Efficient Mining

*Site News
   Energy Research Centre of the Netherlands

*Energy Facts and Tips
   EIA Anticipates Rising Costs for Gasoline and Heating Fuels

*About this Newsletter


--
NEWS AND EVENTS
--
Shell and GM to Bring Fuel Cell Vehicles to Washington, D.C.

Shell Hydrogen and General Motors Corporation (GM) will launch a
demonstration of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and fueling
infrastructure in the Washington, D.C., area by October, the companies
announced last week. GM will deliver a fleet of fuel-cell vehicles to
the U.S. capital by May, and Shell will follow up by installing a
hydrogen fueling station at one of its retail gasoline stations by
October. The GM fleet will consist of HydroGen3 minivans -- prototype
vehicles based on GM's Opel Zafira -- each featuring a 94-kilowatt
fuel cell and a top speed of 100 miles per hour. The two companies are
working together to develop hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, which GM
intends to sell by the end of the decade. See the March 5th press
release on the Royal Dutch/Shell Group Web site at:
.

GM announced in February that it had successfully tested a new high-
pressure hydrogen storage tank in its HydroGen3 vehicle. The new tank,
operating at pressures up to 10,000 pounds per square inch (psi),
extends the range of GM's vehicle by 60 to 70 percent compared to a
5,000-psi tank. See the GM press release at:
.

Shell is also collaborating with Norsk Hydro to install the world's
first public hydrogen fueling station in Reykjavik, Iceland. Three
hydrogen-fueled buses, provided by DaimlerChrysler, will be the
initial customers for the fueling station, which is set to open on
April 24th. See the March 6th press release from Norsk Hydro at:
.

Recognizing the international scope of hydrogen energy research, DOE
and the European Union announced last week that they are advancing an
effort to unify their approaches to hydrogen research in order to work
together in the development of hydrogen as an energy source. See the
DOE press release at:
.


California to Loosen Rules Mandating Electric Vehicle Sales

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) proposed last week an
additional relaxation of its rules that mandate the sale of zero-
emissions vehicles (ZEVs) in the state, citing in part a lack of
advancement in battery technology. After proposing changes to the
ZEV program in January, CARB proposed further changes last week in
response to public comments.

The new proposed rules eliminate most future requirements for the sale
of ZEVs -- cars powered by either batteries or hydrogen fuel cells --
instead allowing automakers to meet those requirements through the
sale of hybrid electric vehicles and vehicles with gaseous storage
systems (such as internal-combustion engines fueled with compressed
natural gas or hydrogen). Methanol-powered fuel cell vehicles would
also earn credits, and hybrid electric vehicles earn more ZEV credits
if they use higher voltages and more powerful motors.

When originally instituted in 1990, the rules would have required ZEVs
to comprise 10 percent of vehicle sales in California this year. Since
then, CARB has steadily reduced the ZEV requirements; the new proposed
rules would result in only 250 ZEVs on the road by 2008. In 2006, an
independent panel would reassess the state of ZEV technology, at which
point CARB may set new ZEV requirements for 2009 and beyond. However,
if the proposed rules are adopted and remain in place, by 2020 the ZEV
rules will require no ZEVs to be sold in the state, instead requiring
nearly 400,000 advanced-technology cars to be sold each year. In
contrast, the rules proposed in January would have required sales of
nearly 30,000 ZEVs per year by 2020, plus sales of nearly 150,000
advanced-technology vehicles per year. CARB will hold a hearing on the
proposed changes on March 27th. See the CARB Web site at:

[biofuels-biz] EERE Network News -- 03/12/03

[EERE]

==
EERE NETWORK NEWS -- March 12, 2003
A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE)
Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE).

==

Featuring:
*News and Events
   Shell and GM to Bring Fuel Cell Vehicles to Washington, D.C.
   California to Loosen Rules Mandating Electric Vehicle Sales
   Battery Advancements Hold Promise for Electric Vehicles
   Studies: Aluminum Frames, "Air Hybrids" Yield Fuel Savings
   DIY Network Revisits Solar Decathlon as DOE Plans for 2005
   DOE Provides $3 Million for Energy Efficient Mining

*Site News
   Energy Research Centre of the Netherlands

*Energy Facts and Tips
   EIA Anticipates Rising Costs for Gasoline and Heating Fuels

*About this Newsletter


--
NEWS AND EVENTS
--
Shell and GM to Bring Fuel Cell Vehicles to Washington, D.C.

Shell Hydrogen and General Motors Corporation (GM) will launch a
demonstration of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and fueling
infrastructure in the Washington, D.C., area by October, the companies
announced last week. GM will deliver a fleet of fuel-cell vehicles to
the U.S. capital by May, and Shell will follow up by installing a
hydrogen fueling station at one of its retail gasoline stations by
October. The GM fleet will consist of HydroGen3 minivans -- prototype
vehicles based on GM's Opel Zafira -- each featuring a 94-kilowatt
fuel cell and a top speed of 100 miles per hour. The two companies are
working together to develop hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, which GM
intends to sell by the end of the decade. See the March 5th press
release on the Royal Dutch/Shell Group Web site at:
.

GM announced in February that it had successfully tested a new high-
pressure hydrogen storage tank in its HydroGen3 vehicle. The new tank,
operating at pressures up to 10,000 pounds per square inch (psi),
extends the range of GM's vehicle by 60 to 70 percent compared to a
5,000-psi tank. See the GM press release at:
.

Shell is also collaborating with Norsk Hydro to install the world's
first public hydrogen fueling station in Reykjavik, Iceland. Three
hydrogen-fueled buses, provided by DaimlerChrysler, will be the
initial customers for the fueling station, which is set to open on
April 24th. See the March 6th press release from Norsk Hydro at:
.

Recognizing the international scope of hydrogen energy research, DOE
and the European Union announced last week that they are advancing an
effort to unify their approaches to hydrogen research in order to work
together in the development of hydrogen as an energy source. See the
DOE press release at:
.


California to Loosen Rules Mandating Electric Vehicle Sales

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) proposed last week an
additional relaxation of its rules that mandate the sale of zero-
emissions vehicles (ZEVs) in the state, citing in part a lack of
advancement in battery technology. After proposing changes to the
ZEV program in January, CARB proposed further changes last week in
response to public comments.

The new proposed rules eliminate most future requirements for the sale
of ZEVs -- cars powered by either batteries or hydrogen fuel cells --
instead allowing automakers to meet those requirements through the
sale of hybrid electric vehicles and vehicles with gaseous storage
systems (such as internal-combustion engines fueled with compressed
natural gas or hydrogen). Methanol-powered fuel cell vehicles would
also earn credits, and hybrid electric vehicles earn more ZEV credits
if they use higher voltages and more powerful motors.

When originally instituted in 1990, the rules would have required ZEVs
to comprise 10 percent of vehicle sales in California this year. Since
then, CARB has steadily reduced the ZEV requirements; the new proposed
rules would result in only 250 ZEVs on the road by 2008. In 2006, an
independent panel would reassess the state of ZEV technology, at which
point CARB may set new ZEV requirements for 2009 and beyond. However,
if the proposed rules are adopted and remain in place, by 2020 the ZEV
rules will require no ZEVs to be sold in the state, instead requiring
nearly 400,000 advanced-technology cars to be sold each year. In
contrast, the rules proposed in January would have required sales of
nearly 30,000 ZEVs per year by 2020, plus sales of nearly 150,000
advanced-technology vehicles per year. CARB will hold a hearing on the
proposed changes on March 27th. See the CARB Web site at:

[biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping

[girl_mark_fire]

Hey all,
I very well may have started a rumor with this nitrogen fixing thing. 
It was based on a conversation with one of the people from Blue Sun, 
not on email with them, so I don't have a record of it. Since I don't 
know oilseed farming I probably mis-remembered what crop he was 
talking about. SO here it accidentally started a whole thread (after 
I said i might be remembering it all wrong), and in this thread 
people were throwing out guesses about if it's some bizarre strain of 
GMO nitrogen-fixing mustard or whatnot. I don't think it was anything 
as exotic as all that (though we all know that the GMO industry loves 
the idea of biodiesel). I'll really try and find out what he was 
talking about double-cropping. 
Sorry!
mark
  

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Darald Bantel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 16:38, Steve Spence wrote:
> > heres a whole slew of nitrogen fixers 
> > 
> > http://www.agrobiologicals.com/glossary/Targ6.htm
> > 
> > 
> > Steve Spence
> 
> You bet there is a grand number of nitrogen fixation capable 
varieties
> in this list. The amount they fix is variable. The number of items 
on
> this list that also produce at least reasonable quantities of oil is
> much much smaller and is also climatic zone dependent. There has 
been
> talk in the industry of creating a plant that would produce cereal 
grain
> and also fix its own nitrogen - with the current very hostile sales
> climate for any such bio-engineered products - good luck in getting 
them
> in any useful quantities in the next 15 years. (It takes usually 12 
to
> 15 years to develop new crop strains and test them with any 
meaningful
> certainty!)
> 
> Darald


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Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping

[Darald Bantel]

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 16:38, Steve Spence wrote:
> heres a whole slew of nitrogen fixers 
> 
> http://www.agrobiologicals.com/glossary/Targ6.htm
> 
> 
> Steve Spence

You bet there is a grand number of nitrogen fixation capable varieties
in this list. The amount they fix is variable. The number of items on
this list that also produce at least reasonable quantities of oil is
much much smaller and is also climatic zone dependent. There has been
talk in the industry of creating a plant that would produce cereal grain
and also fix its own nitrogen - with the current very hostile sales
climate for any such bio-engineered products - good luck in getting them
in any useful quantities in the next 15 years. (It takes usually 12 to
15 years to develop new crop strains and test them with any meaningful
certainty!)

Darald



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[biofuel] Oil to Wood Pellet Furnace

[gblass1]

Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone knows about the wood pellet burners
that can replace the oil fired burner in your furnace. I was
thinking of switching to a wood pellet furnace but if I can just
replace my burner to a wood pellet burner it would be much
cheaper. My furnace is only 7 years old and in good shape. The
only company I found is biovarme.dk but they are in Europe. Are
there any manufactures of these burners on the USA ?

Thanks
George



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Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping

[Darald Bantel]

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 11:24, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote:
> Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen 
> fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and 
> vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop, 
> and has been intercropped with sunflowers.
> 
> 
> Edward Beggs

Oil production per acre of sunflowers stinks!!!

Perhaps the production of vegetable oils should remain in the cooler
states (the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho and the like (and of course
Canada where canola was perfected (grin!))) and you can get
production rates of a 1000 liters per acre (yes that is stated using
mixed units but that was how I saw it presented!) or about 275 us gal
per acre. There may be other alternative crops as I did not remember the
front runners on oil production per acre just that canola (rapeseed) was
about third or fourth and that can be grown readily in my area so that's
what I filed in the memory.

Darald



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Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel processing Plant design for WVO

[chris bradley]

Hi Keith,
  I have been in touch with Mike for a while now and
he told me that he was working on a new machine and
would let me know when it was finished so I'll get
back to him.

Thanks,

Chris
--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> James Slayden wrote:
> 
> >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html
> >
> >There are various plant manufactures listed.
> >
> >On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, chris53bradley wrote:
> >
> > > I would like any info for plant design for use
> in processing WVO for
> > > biodiesel production. I'm looking for a plant
> that could handle 1000
> > > litres an hour of waste vege oil either in a
> mobile plant or a
> > > stationary plant. The one at Biodiesel
> Technologies is cost
> > > restrictive, for me at least. Thank you
> 
> That's where the Biodiesel Technologies contact came
> from James - 
> Chris has been there, done that.
> 
> Chris, I suggest you have a look at Mike Pelly's new
> processor, pictured here:
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html
> 
> ... and write to Mike, telling him what you're
> after. Say I said so.
> Mike Pelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Keith
> 
> 


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Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping

[Darald Bantel]

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 05:48, Steve Spence wrote:
> White mustard has very shallow roots and quickly grows a profusion of large
> leaves. It is useful for controlling nematodes. A substance which repels the
> nematodes is released from the leaves as they decompose. The leaves can
> either be slashed and left on the surface as mulch, or dug in. It takes
> eight weeks from sowing to slashing. White mustard is often sown after a
> tomato crop, to break the cycle of soil pests and diseases such as
> nematodes.
> 
> Steve Spence

I was hoping to find information on a mustard that is capable of
nitrogen fixation in your post - that is what you meant by your original
phrase was it not?

Darald



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[Biofuel] New York Adopts Anti-War Measure

[MH]

 Two articles follow -- 

 New York Adopts Anti-War Measure
 Jenny Badner
 New York
 13 Mar 2003
 http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=89AC2E02-DE8F-4DA6-BF97CDA14B71D388

 New York, the city hurt the most by international terrorism, has voted
 to oppose war against Iraq, except as a last resort. New York is one of
 more than a hundred U.S. cities to adopt an anti-war measure. 

 New York's City Council passed the anti-war resolution by a vote of 31
 to 17. The resolution is a softer version of one that was presented last
 October, opposing a possible war against Iraq without the authority of
 the United Nations. 

 For months, New York's local government debated whether the city,
 which suffered the greatest loss in the September 11, 2001, terrorist
 attacks, should take a stand in the debate on how to solve the crisis in
 Iraq. 

 The document the council endorsed allows a pre-emptive strike only
 after all other options have failed to gain compliance with United
 Nations efforts to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction. 

 Recent polls have shown that the majority of New Yorkers oppose war
 against Iraq without backing from the Untied Nations. They staged a
 massive anti-war protests were near United Nations headquarters in
 New York City. 

 More than 100 U.S. cities, large and small, have already passed anti-war
 measures, including Los Angeles in California, Portland, Maine, Chicago,
 Illinois, and Atlanta in the southern state of Georgia. 

  

 13 Mar 2003
 NYC council condemns preemptive strike against Iraq
 http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N12148893?view=PrinterFriendly

 NEW YORK, March 12 (Reuters) - The City Council of New York,
 where citizens experienced first-hand the trauma of the Sept. 11
 attacks, urged the U.S. government on Wednesday not to launch a
 preemptive military attack on Iraq.

 After months of squabbling and a raucous, emotional debate, the City
 Council passed a resolution that said an attack should only come in
 response to a "real and imminent" threat and urged the government to
 wait for United Nations backing.

 Several members of the 50-member body noted that the Bush
 administration had tried to link Iraq with the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks that
 killed 2,800 people in the World Trade Center, but had not provided
 proof.

 "You can no longer use 9/11 as an excuse for war," said councilman
 Charles Barron, a Democrat whose party dominates the council with 47
 members. "There is no linkage to (Iraqi leader) Saddam Hussein and
 September 11."

 In the crowded City Council chamber session, New York joined 139
 U.S. cities that have passed similar resolutions.

 The resolution, that passed 32-17, opposes an attack, "unless it is
 demonstrated that Iraq poses a real and imminent threat to the security
 and safety of the United States or its allies."

 Hundreds of thousands of people swamped a section of Manhattan near
 the United Nations Feb. 15 to protest the possible war and polls show
 75 percent of New Yorkers oppose any war without U.N. approval.

 City councilman Simcha Felder, a Democrat, voted against the
 resolution.

 "It makes no sense for the City Council to involve itself in international
 resolutions that have no real impact," Felder said. "I disagree with the
 anti-war protesters and I support President George W. Bush's Iraq
 policy."

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Re: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?

[Darald Bantel]

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 05:30, Steve Spence wrote:
> We filter to .5 micron on used oil before we put into the tank. We don't
> prefilter virgin oil. Once it is in there. standard diesel filter ranges
> (10 - 30 ) micron work fine. When preheating the oil, you do not need to add
> anything to it, as the heat gets it to a low enough viscosity for safe
> injection. We have this working at -40 degrees.
> 
> Steve Spence


Greetings

Would it be possible to get some details as I would not want a system
until it is proven to work at -60 degrees Celsius. Minus 40 sounds great
but in Northern Alberta we get that at least a few mornings a year and
minus 45 isn't too uncommon either!

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Re: [biofuel] processor

[Perry Jones]

Can't help with the technical questions but best wishes for success in this
project.  It's extremely important.
Perry

- Original Message -
From: "William Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:26 PM
Subject: [biofuel] processor


> Hi to all,
>
> Bill Clark here after a long absence. I have been working with the City of
Eufaula, AL and have nearly convinced them to undertake a wvo recycling
project. They want to try to make biodiesel and operate city vehicles. The
schools have agreed to operate the buss fleet on 100% biodiesel from wvo.
>
> I have been at this for a good while so I have addressed most concerns.
The City's insurance company say's they are covered. Of course, we will have
to meet standards to make this work.
>
> My question is concerning the design of my processor. I have a 300 gal.
hot water heater that has never been unwrapped. Bearing in mind that
electricity is very cheap here, is this a good way to undertake the process
or only good for hot water? I have seen Dale Scroggins' photos and it seems
plausible but I wish to use the 2 stage process.
>
> Any thoughts?
>



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[biofuel] Lunch with the Chairman

[yellowjuice2001]

LUNCH WITH THE CHAIRMAN
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
Why was Richard Perle meeting with Adnan Khashoggi?
Issue of 2003-03-17
Posted 2003-03-10
At the peak of his deal-making activities, in the nineteen-seventies, 
the
Saudi-born businessman Adnan Khashoggi brokered billions of dollars in
arms and aircraft sales for the Saudi royal family, earning hundreds 
of
millions in commissions and fees. Though never convicted of 
wrongdoing,
he was repeatedly involved in disputes with federal prosecutors and 
with
the Securities and Exchange Commission, and in recent years he has 
been
in litigation in Thailand and Los Angeles, among other places, 
concerning
allegations of stock manipulation and fraud. During the Reagan
Administration, Khashoggi was one of the middlemen between Oliver 
North,
in the White House, and the mullahs in Iran in what became known as 
the
Iran-Contra scandal. Khashoggi subsequently claimed that he lost ten
million dollars that he had put up to obtain embargoed weapons for 
Iran
which were to be bartered (with Presidential approval) for American
hostages. The scandals of those times seemed to feed off each other: a
congressional investigation revealed that Khashoggi had borrowed much 
of
the money for the weapons from the Bank of Credit and Commerce
International (B.C.C.I.), whose collapse, in 1991, defrauded 
thousands of
depositors and led to years of inquiry and litigation.

Khashoggi is still brokering. In January of this year, he arranged a
private lunch, in France, to bring together Harb Saleh al-Zuhair, a 
Saudi
industrialist whose family fortune includes extensive holdings in
construction, electronics, and engineering companies throughout the
Middle East, and Richard N. Perle, the chairman of the Defense Policy
Board, who is one of the most outspoken and influential American
advocates of war with Iraq.

The Defense Policy Board is a Defense Department advisory group 
composed
primarily of highly respected former government officials, retired
military officers, and academics. Its members, who serve without pay,
include former national-security advisers, Secretaries of Defense, and
heads of the C.I.A. The board meets several times a year at the 
Pentagon
to review and assess the countrys strategic defense policies.

Perle is also a managing partner in a venture-capital company called
Trireme Partners L.P., which was registered in November, 2001, in
Delaware. Triremes main business, according to a two-page letter that
one of its representatives sent to Khashoggi last November, is to 
invest
in companies dealing in technology, goods, and services that are of 
value
to homeland security and defense. The letter argued that the fear of
terrorism would increase the demand for such products in Europe and in
countries like Saudi Arabia and Singapore.

The letter mentioned the firms government connections prominently:
Three of Triremes Management Group members currently advise the U.S.
Secretary of Defense by serving on the U.S. Defense Policy Board, and 
one
of Triremes principals, Richard Perle, is chairman of that Board. 
The
two other policy-board members associated with Trireme are Henry
Kissinger, the former Secretary of State (who is, in fact, only a 
member
of Triremes advisory group and is not involved in its management), 
and
Gerald Hillman, an investor and a close business associate of Perles 
who
handles matters in Triremes New York office. The letter said that
forty-five million dollars had already been raised, including twenty
million dollars from Boeing; the purpose, clearly, was to attract more
investors, such as Khashoggi and Zuhair.



Perle served as a foreign-policy adviser in George W. Bushs 
Presidential
campaignhe had been an Assistant Secretary of Defense under Ronald
Reaganbut he chose not to take a senior position in the 
Administration.
In mid-2001, however, he accepted an offer from Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld to chair the Defense Policy Board, a then obscure 
group
that had been created by the Defense Department in 1985. Its members
(there are around thirty of them) may be outside the government, but 
they
have access to classified information and to senior policymakers, and
give advice not only on strategic policy but also on such matters as
weapons procurement. Most of the boards proceedings are confidential.

As chairman of the board, Perle is considered to be a special 
government
employee and therefore subject to a federal Code of Conduct. Those 
rules
bar a special employee from participating in an official capacity in 
any
matter in which he has a financial interest. One of the general 
rules is
that you dont take advantage of your federal position to help 
yourself
financially in any way, a former government attorney who helped
formulate the Code of Conduct told me. The point, the attorney added, 
is
to protect government processes from actual or apparent conflicts.

Advisory groups like the Defense Policy Board enable knowledgeable 
peop

Re: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!

[Ken Basterfield]

Nick,
Where are you. I would be interested in your progress.
I'm in Exeter
Ken
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!


Hi Steve,

I'm in the south west of England, and its pretty cold here at the moment (as
always!).
As I had about a quarter tank of Diesel, I thought I would get away with
just adding the oil (it would be heavily diluted in the Diesel), even maybe
popping over to the petrol station to fill up with Diesel too, to thin it
out even more?
I know this may sound weird to you all, its just that I have'nt got my veg
therm kit yet (still convincing the boss to get them for our vans!) and I'm
busting to run on at least a little sustainable fuel!

..in essence then, not a good idea?

Nick

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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!

what climate are you in? if it's over 80F, you may not have a problem. I
personally would not do it. always preheat veggie oil before injecting it,
always shut down on biodiesel or diesel to clean out the veggie oil.


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Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:49 AM
Subject: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!


Hi guys,

Here's an easy question for ya.
I just bought 3 litres of pure Rapseed oil form my local supermarket
(@0.66usd/ltr). I have about ¹ tank of dino Diesel in the tank (1998 VW
Caddy van).is it going to be safe to pour the oil straight into the tank
(mixing it with the Diesel) or am I about to do something really really
stupid? ;)

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Re: [biofuel] Using KOH

[Appal Energy]

Most KOH assays out at 90-92%. I presume that much the same can be said for
NaOH, or at least that the assay is relatively constant for Red Devil lye
and other sources.

It's doubtful that the impurity aspect has ever been taken into account in
all the "3.5 gram" formulations. What has probably been found is that 3.5
grams of "stuff" works well, which could mean that only ~90 of that 3.5
grams was actually NaOH.

Since it's also rather doubtful that anyone is ever going to be working with
"100% pure" catalyst outside of a laboratory invironment, that leaves
everything else up to the fates and "relativity." Which makes sampling
before large batches or ever time a new supply of catalyst comes in all the
more important.

Enter "The Poor Man's [Person's] Titration,"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biodiesel/message/3891

Todd Swearingen

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Subject: [biofuel] Using KOH


> Cross-posting...
>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >From: "girl_mark_fire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:03:51 -
> >Subject: [Biodiesel] Re: I'm Baaa-aaack!!!
> >
> >A local chemist friend of mine said that the adulturants in less-than-
> >pure KOH is frequently NaOH. I can't easily get an assay on the KOH
> >I've got. Does anyone have any info on how often this actually
> >happens?
> >
> >Here's why I'm bringing it up: People frequently suggest doing a
> >little math to determine how much KOH to use when working with lower
> >grades of it, such as 80% pure. Obviously titration will tell you
> >about any extra needed for the ffa- but you have to calculate the
> >base amount up from the 4.9 grams if working with low purity KOH. I
> >would think that if the assay on the chemical is high in NaOH, it
> >would throw your calulations way off because that NaOH will also
> >react- thus giving you a more potent KOH than you think you have. Any
> >thoughts, and do any of you know much about how frequent this NaOH
> >adulturation is? How much of a difference would 20% NaOH make in a
> >drum-sized batch anyway?
> >
> >mark
>
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[biofuel] Re: [evworld] finally, a James Woolsey interview.... covers more than one proposed alt-fuel-bio-fuel solution

[murdoch]

I sent this out before, but I think it got messed up by my attempt to install a 
spam filter on my email address.

>Not to be overly cynical, but I wonder if he's got direct or indirect 
>interest in said fuel.  Check out the new New Yorker for information on 
>Richard Perle's personal stake in the reconstruction of Iraq.  Perle is 
>one of the chickenhawks in the defense department who's been gunning 
>for Iraq since day one.

Thanks for the reference to the New Yorker.  

As to Mr. Woolsey, I'm sure it's possible he has some financial interest in the 
matter, but I'm not sure that precludes me from buying a lot of what he says.  
He has been an ardent supporter of the U.S. exploring and using biofuels for a 
very long time now.  His national-security-approach to the matter is different 
from some others' (say, the environmentalist or waste-management approach) but 
whatever.  

I particularly admire what I take to be his realism as to not trying to claim 
too much.  He advocates multiple simultaneous efforts and does not seem to try 
to claim that any one solution is the be-all end-all. Additionally, he raised a 
point in the interview which I had not heard touched-upon before, and which I 
liked.  He seemed to say that to make the goal total American Energy 
Independence was not necessary or necessarily advisable, but rather to 
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[biofuels-biz] Re: [evworld] finally, a James Woolsey interview.... covers more than one proposed alt-fuel-bio-fuel solution

[murdoch]

I sent this out before, but I think it got messed up by my attempt to install a 
spam filter on my email address.

>Not to be overly cynical, but I wonder if he's got direct or indirect 
>interest in said fuel.  Check out the new New Yorker for information on 
>Richard Perle's personal stake in the reconstruction of Iraq.  Perle is 
>one of the chickenhawks in the defense department who's been gunning 
>for Iraq since day one.

Thanks for the reference to the New Yorker.  

As to Mr. Woolsey, I'm sure it's possible he has some financial interest in the 
matter, but I'm not sure that precludes me from buying a lot of what he says.  
He has been an ardent supporter of the U.S. exploring and using biofuels for a 
very long time now.  His national-security-approach to the matter is different 
from some others' (say, the environmentalist or waste-management approach) but 
whatever.  

I particularly admire what I take to be his realism as to not trying to claim 
too much.  He advocates multiple simultaneous efforts and does not seem to try 
to claim that any one solution is the be-all end-all. Additionally, he raised a 
point in the interview which I had not heard touched-upon before, and which I 
liked.  He seemed to say that to make the goal total American Energy 
Independence was not necessary or necessarily advisable, but rather to 
alleviate the dependence in some ways.



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Re: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!

[Steve Spence]

at best you'll clog your filter, at worst damage your injector pump.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!


Hi Steve,

I'm in the south west of England, and its pretty cold here at the moment (as
always!).
As I had about a quarter tank of Diesel, I thought I would get away with
just adding the oil (it would be heavily diluted in the Diesel), even maybe
popping over to the petrol station to fill up with Diesel too, to thin it
out even more?
I know this may sound weird to you all, its just that I have'nt got my veg
therm kit yet (still convincing the boss to get them for our vans!) and I'm
busting to run on at least a little sustainable fuel!

..in essence then, not a good idea?

Nick

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From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 March 2003 16:51
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!

what climate are you in? if it's over 80F, you may not have a problem. I
personally would not do it. always preheat veggie oil before injecting it,
always shut down on biodiesel or diesel to clean out the veggie oil.


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Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:49 AM
Subject: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!


Hi guys,

Here's an easy question for ya.
I just bought 3 litres of pure Rapseed oil form my local supermarket
(@0.66usd/ltr). I have about ¹ tank of dino Diesel in the tank (1998 VW
Caddy van).is it going to be safe to pour the oil straight into the tank
(mixing it with the Diesel) or am I about to do something really really
stupid? ;)

Nick


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[biofuels-biz] Australia Biodiesel Plant Opening

[Steve Spence]

http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/AUBioPlant.pdf

Biodiesel Industries announced today the opening of its newest facility in
New South Wales, Australia. The 40

million liter per year facility was dedicated by Ian Macfarland, Australia's
Minister of Industry, Tourism and Resources,

yesterday in front an audience over fifty dignitaries representing local
government, environmental organizations,

and the petroleum industry. The plant is the first of its kind in Australia,
and will produce a cleaner burning

renewable fuel made from vegetable oils, animal fats and recycled cooking
oils.

"I think it is a great innovation," Mr. Macfarland Said. "It will have a
positive effect on the environment and, of

course, it will generate local employment."

The dedication ceremony was covered extensively by the Australia media,
including national radio, television,

and front page news articles. "We are extremely pleased with the reception
we have received in Australia. This joint

venture with our Australian partners, will be part of a global network of
biodiesel production facilities, dedicated to

producing biodiesel inexpensively from local resources, using local talent,
and helping to clean up the local environment,"

explained Russell Teall, president of Biodiesel Industries. "Many companies
talk about their plans for building

biodiesel production capacity, we're actually doing it."

The new plant is located in Rutherford, about two hours north of Sydney near
Newcastle, and will be managed

by Rutherford native Andrew Hill. Mr. Hill's family has been involved in the
petroleum distribution business for

many years, and saw the opportunity for incorporating an environmentally
friendly alternative to diesel fuel in their

product portfolio. After several visits to Biodiesel Industries' plant in
Las Vegas, and conducting an investigation of

other production technologies, Mr. Hill settled on Biodiesel Industries'
modular production system. Once permits

were in place, the construction and commissioning of the facility took less
than three months.

The City of Newcastle began promoting biodiesel last year when it purchased
a VW Kombi and started using

biodiesel imported from Biodiesel Industries' Las Vegas facility. The
project was the subject of numerous media

reports, and helped pave the way for legislation favorable to biodiesel use.
As in the US, the attraction of biodiesel

derives from both environmental and national energy security concerns.
Andrew Hill commented that, "Because

biodiesel is renewable and domestically produced it will help ensure
national energy security by replacing fuel

products with Australian made, environmentally friendly, alternative fuels."



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> See attached press release.
>
> Russ Teall
> Biodiesel industries
>


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[biofuel] Australia Biodiesel Plant Opening

[Steve Spence]

http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/AUBioPlant.pdf

Biodiesel Industries announced today the opening of its newest facility in
New South Wales, Australia. The 40

million liter per year facility was dedicated by Ian Macfarland, Australia's
Minister of Industry, Tourism and Resources,

yesterday in front an audience over fifty dignitaries representing local
government, environmental organizations,

and the petroleum industry. The plant is the first of its kind in Australia,
and will produce a cleaner burning

renewable fuel made from vegetable oils, animal fats and recycled cooking
oils.

"I think it is a great innovation," Mr. Macfarland Said. "It will have a
positive effect on the environment and, of

course, it will generate local employment."

The dedication ceremony was covered extensively by the Australia media,
including national radio, television,

and front page news articles. "We are extremely pleased with the reception
we have received in Australia. This joint

venture with our Australian partners, will be part of a global network of
biodiesel production facilities, dedicated to

producing biodiesel inexpensively from local resources, using local talent,
and helping to clean up the local environment,"

explained Russell Teall, president of Biodiesel Industries. "Many companies
talk about their plans for building

biodiesel production capacity, we're actually doing it."

The new plant is located in Rutherford, about two hours north of Sydney near
Newcastle, and will be managed

by Rutherford native Andrew Hill. Mr. Hill's family has been involved in the
petroleum distribution business for

many years, and saw the opportunity for incorporating an environmentally
friendly alternative to diesel fuel in their

product portfolio. After several visits to Biodiesel Industries' plant in
Las Vegas, and conducting an investigation of

other production technologies, Mr. Hill settled on Biodiesel Industries'
modular production system. Once permits

were in place, the construction and commissioning of the facility took less
than three months.

The City of Newcastle began promoting biodiesel last year when it purchased
a VW Kombi and started using

biodiesel imported from Biodiesel Industries' Las Vegas facility. The
project was the subject of numerous media

reports, and helped pave the way for legislation favorable to biodiesel use.
As in the US, the attraction of biodiesel

derives from both environmental and national energy security concerns.
Andrew Hill commented that, "Because

biodiesel is renewable and domestically produced it will help ensure
national energy security by replacing fuel

products with Australian made, environmentally friendly, alternative fuels."



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> See attached press release.
>
> Russ Teall
> Biodiesel industries
>


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Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping

[Steve Spence]

heres a whole slew of nitrogen fixers 

http://www.agrobiologicals.com/glossary/Targ6.htm


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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping


> Thanks for setting me straight.  ;-)  I actually wasn't sure on
> castor beans and didn't really want to look it up.  Serves me right for
> being lazy 
>
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote:
>
> > Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen
> > fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and
> > vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop,
> > and has been intercropped with sunflowers.
> >
> >
> > Edward Beggs
> > On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 09:25 AM, James Slayden wrote:
> >
> > > Someone please correct me, but aren't a legumes nitrogen fixing?
Maybe
> > > they are doing something with that.  I'm sure their not going to "give
> > > up
> > > the farm" and tell us what crop they are planning to grow, since it IS
> > > a
> > > part of their business stragety.  But looking at the oilseed chart on
> > > JTF
> > > castorbeens come to mind.
> > >
> > > James Slayden
> > >
> > > On 11 Mar 2003, Darald Bantel wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 02:43, girl_mark_fire wrote:
> > >>> Blue Sun Biodiesel, who is a very ambitious biodiesel producer
> > >>> gearing up to build a huge plant in Colorado, is banking on local
> > >>> farmers' doublecropping as one of their strategies. I think the
> > >>> locals grow winter wheat. Growing an oilcrop for Blue Sun before the
> > >>> wheat season gives them the benefits you describe below. I think the
> > >>> crop is mustard- I could be wrong though, it was a casual
> > >>> conversation and I don't have the info in print anywhere. I also
> > >>> think they said it was a nitrogenfixer- I don't remember if mustard
> > >>> does that or not- but it sounded like a win-win situation for the
> > >>> local farmers on the Plains there- part of the idea is also that
> > >>> they'll be growing a crop with a guaranteed purchaser, not subject
to
> > >>> market fluctuations in chicago or somehere. And they'll still be
> > >>> growing wheat.
> > >>> mark
> > >>>
> > >> Greetings
> > >>
> > >> I would not think that it would be a form of mustard as there are (to
> > >> date) no nitrogen fixing varieties of mustard and to do the
> > >> bioengineering would mean that that this would be a genetically
> > >> engineered crop - ergo - very very difficult to sell in today's
> > >> markets!!
> > >>
> > >> Darald
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping

[James Slayden]

Thanks for setting me straight.  ;-)  I actually wasn't sure on
castor beans and didn't really want to look it up.  Serves me right for
being lazy 

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote:

> Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen
> fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and
> vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop,
> and has been intercropped with sunflowers.
> 
> 
> Edward Beggs
> On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 09:25 AM, James Slayden wrote:
> 
> > Someone please correct me, but aren't a legumes nitrogen fixing?  Maybe
> > they are doing something with that.  I'm sure their not going to "give
> > up
> > the farm" and tell us what crop they are planning to grow, since it IS
> > a
> > part of their business stragety.  But looking at the oilseed chart on
> > JTF
> > castorbeens come to mind.
> >
> > James Slayden
> >
> > On 11 Mar 2003, Darald Bantel wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 02:43, girl_mark_fire wrote:
> >>> Blue Sun Biodiesel, who is a very ambitious biodiesel producer
> >>> gearing up to build a huge plant in Colorado, is banking on local
> >>> farmers' doublecropping as one of their strategies. I think the
> >>> locals grow winter wheat. Growing an oilcrop for Blue Sun before the
> >>> wheat season gives them the benefits you describe below. I think the
> >>> crop is mustard- I could be wrong though, it was a casual
> >>> conversation and I don't have the info in print anywhere. I also
> >>> think they said it was a nitrogenfixer- I don't remember if mustard
> >>> does that or not- but it sounded like a win-win situation for the
> >>> local farmers on the Plains there- part of the idea is also that
> >>> they'll be growing a crop with a guaranteed purchaser, not subject to
> >>> market fluctuations in chicago or somehere. And they'll still be
> >>> growing wheat.
> >>> mark
> >>>
> >> Greetings
> >>
> >> I would not think that it would be a form of mustard as there are (to
> >> date) no nitrogen fixing varieties of mustard and to do the
> >> bioengineering would mean that that this would be a genetically
> >> engineered crop - ergo - very very difficult to sell in today's
> >> markets!!
> >>
> >> Darald
> >>
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Re: [biofuel] processor

[Keith Addison]

>Hi to all,
>
>Bill Clark here after a long absence. I have been working with the 
>City of Eufaula, AL and have nearly convinced them to undertake a 
>wvo recycling project. They want to try to make biodiesel and 
>operate city vehicles. The schools have agreed to operate the buss 
>fleet on 100% biodiesel from wvo.
>
>I have been at this for a good while so I have addressed most 
>concerns. The City's insurance company say's they are covered. Of 
>course, we will have to meet standards to make this work.
>
>My question is concerning the design of my processor. I have a 300 
>gal. hot water heater that has never been unwrapped. Bearing in mind 
>that electricity is very cheap here, is this a good way to undertake 
>the process or only good for hot water? I have seen Dale Scroggins' 
>photos and it seems plausible but I wish to use the 2 stage process.
>
>Any thoughts?

Hello Bill

Good to hear from you again. You've been busy! Good for you.

I guess you've had a look at all these?
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html
Biodiesel processors

Is that water heater made of copper? Okay with lye (I think), but 
which 2 stage process are you planning to use, base-base or 
acid-base? If acid-base the sulphuric might eat the copper - though 
it's at a very low concentration, maybe it won't matter. Anyone using 
acid-base two-stage with a copper processor?

regards

Keith


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RE: [biofuel] jeep TDI

[Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express]

You'll probably want to relocate the intercooler, I've lost two since last
April by running over tire tread in the road.  At $500.00 a piece, I'm
pretty mad they decided to put it 3 inches above the ground.  At least maybe
in a Jeep, you might be able to protect it better.

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Subject: RE: [biofuel] jeep TDI


 does anyone know whether you
can stick a vw TDI into a jeep wrangler?

I like the wrangler as a no -frills  vehicle,  but
dont really care for  getting 16-19 mpg

I believe I have seen 80's vintage VW diesels installed in
Suzuki sidekicks, with apprx 35 mpg+ or so.

The wife is not terribly fond of the Suzuki vehicle, though and would rather

attempt a different route.
I think there should be more room in the jeep engine bay.



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Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel processing Plant design for WVO

[Keith Addison]

James Slayden wrote:

>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html
>
>There are various plant manufactures listed.
>
>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, chris53bradley wrote:
>
> > I would like any info for plant design for use in processing WVO for
> > biodiesel production. I'm looking for a plant that could handle 1000
> > litres an hour of waste vege oil either in a mobile plant or a
> > stationary plant. The one at Biodiesel Technologies is cost
> > restrictive, for me at least. Thank you

That's where the Biodiesel Technologies contact came from James - 
Chris has been there, done that.

Chris, I suggest you have a look at Mike Pelly's new processor, pictured here:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html

... and write to Mike, telling him what you're after. Say I said so.
Mike Pelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Best wishes

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Re: [biofuel] Voices from the grave...

[Keith Addison]

John E Hayes III wrote:

>Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >>Great quote.  Only problem is that there is no record Caeser ever said it.
> >>
> >>http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm
> >>
> >Inasmuch as Snopes is to be believed.
>
>Maybe I'm slow, but what does Snopes have to gain from claiming there is
>no record Caeser made the statement. Seems to me that if Caeser *did*
>say it, it would be pretty easy for someone to come up with a proper
>citation and prove Snopes wrong.

Maybe it was Caesar's speech-writer. Nice bit of work anyway.

>Besides, why should we make up false attributions when real ones will do
>just as well. For example, I stumbled across this one today.
>
>"Of course the people don't want war... that is understood. But, after
>all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's
>always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a
>democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or acommunist
>dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
>bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
>they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
>patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any
>country." --Hermann Goering, Adolf Hitler's Deputy Chief and Luftwaffe
>Commander, at the Nuremberg trials, 1946.
>
>Sound familar to anyone?

So you didn't like these then?

>"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few."
>
>"I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat."
>
>"We shall fight on the beaches, in the fields, in the streets and in 
>the hills."

Keith


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[biofuels-biz] EERE Network News -- 03/05/03

[EERE]

==
EERE NETWORK NEWS -- March 5, 2003
A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE)
Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE).

==

Featuring:
*News and Events
   EERE Budget for FY 2003 Increases over FY 2002 Levels
   First of 45 New Fuel Cell Systems Installed on Long Island
   Navy Orders 36.5-Megawatt Superconducting Propulsion Motor
   Record Global Wind, Solar Growth Seen as the Start of Trend
   White Wave Offsets All Its Electricity Use with Wind Power
   Biodiesel Makes Mardi Gras a Little Bit Cleaner

*Site News
   Interwest Energy Alliance

*Energy Facts and Tips
   DOE Project to Generate Hydrogen from Coal

*About this Newsletter


--
NEWS AND EVENTS
--
EERE Budget for FY 2003 Increases over FY 2002 Levels

With five months now gone from fiscal year (FY) 2003, DOE's budget for
the year has been approved by Congress and signed by President Bush.
Overall, the final EERE budget increased by about 1.4 percent. The
renewable energy budget increased 9.3 percent above the adjusted
FY 2002 budget, to $422.3 million. The energy efficiency budget
decreased by 2 percent relative to the adjusted FY 2002 budget, to
$897.6 million. The detailed budget is available by selecting "DOE
Sections Only" -- a one-megabyte PDF file -- of House Report 108-10,
posted on the DOE Office of Management, Budget, and Evaluation Web
site at: .

Explanatory text is in pages 888 to 890 and 1021 to 1023 of the PDF
file, and summary tables are presented on pages 919, 1048, and 1049.

President Bush signed the funding bill, called the Omnibus
Appropriations Bill, on February 20th, one week after Congress
approved it. See the President's remarks at:
.


First of 45 New Fuel Cell Systems Installed on Long Island

The Long Island Power Authority (LIPA) announced last week that it has
installed a 5-kilowatt fuel cell system at a McDonald's restaurant,
the first of 45 new fuel cell systems to be installed across Long
Island this year. Although LIPA will install the bulk of the Plug
Power systems -- 25 of them -- at its existing West Babylon Fuel Cell
Demonstration Site, the remaining 20 systems will be installed in
single- or multiple-family residences. See the LIPA press release at:
.

Fuel cell systems are also coming to Connecticut, thanks to the
Connecticut Clean Energy Fund (CCEF). The CCEF announced last week
that it has selected 24 fuel-cell proposals for potential funding. The
proposals represent a total of more than two megawatts of generating
capacity, and 16 of the 24 are located in the power-starved
southwestern part of the state. However, the requests total nearly
$26 million, and the CCEF expects to provide less than $9 million in
funds. The companies and organizations that submitted the 24 proposals
must now submit a second round of proposals, which the CCEF will
choose among by June. See the CCEF press release at:
.

And in Ohio, a grant of more than $800,000 will bring a fuel cell
system to Westerville, located near Columbus. Governor Bob Taft
awarded the grant to American Municipal Power-Ohio and the City of
Westerville on February 27th as part of $6.5 million in grants for
fuel cell research and development throughout the state. FuelCell
Energy, Inc. and Caterpillar Inc. expect to win the Westerville
contract, which will include installing a 250-kilowatt fuel cell
system. See the press releases from Governor Taft and FuelCell Energy
at:  and
.


Navy Orders 36.5-Megawatt Superconducting Propulsion Motor

American Superconductor Corporation (AMSC) announced Monday that the
U.S. Navy's Office of Naval Research has awarded the company a
contract to design and build a prototype 36.5-megawatt propulsion
motor using high-temperature superconductors (HTS). AMSC will work
with Northrop Grumman Corporation, a military ship builder, on the
$70 million contract. HTS materials carry electrical current with
essentially zero resistance. The Navy's HTS motor will produce nearly
50,000 horsepower while measuring less than half the size and roughly
one-third the weight of a standard motor with copper conductors.

"The U.S. Navy is going electric," says Rear Admiral Jay M. Cohen,
Chief of Naval Research. "Superconductor technology will help reduce
the size and weight of motors, generators, power transmission 

[biofuel] EERE Network News -- 03/05/03

[EERE]

==
EERE NETWORK NEWS -- March 5, 2003
A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE)
Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE).

==

Featuring:
*News and Events
   EERE Budget for FY 2003 Increases over FY 2002 Levels
   First of 45 New Fuel Cell Systems Installed on Long Island
   Navy Orders 36.5-Megawatt Superconducting Propulsion Motor
   Record Global Wind, Solar Growth Seen as the Start of Trend
   White Wave Offsets All Its Electricity Use with Wind Power
   Biodiesel Makes Mardi Gras a Little Bit Cleaner

*Site News
   Interwest Energy Alliance

*Energy Facts and Tips
   DOE Project to Generate Hydrogen from Coal

*About this Newsletter


--
NEWS AND EVENTS
--
EERE Budget for FY 2003 Increases over FY 2002 Levels

With five months now gone from fiscal year (FY) 2003, DOE's budget for
the year has been approved by Congress and signed by President Bush.
Overall, the final EERE budget increased by about 1.4 percent. The
renewable energy budget increased 9.3 percent above the adjusted
FY 2002 budget, to $422.3 million. The energy efficiency budget
decreased by 2 percent relative to the adjusted FY 2002 budget, to
$897.6 million. The detailed budget is available by selecting "DOE
Sections Only" -- a one-megabyte PDF file -- of House Report 108-10,
posted on the DOE Office of Management, Budget, and Evaluation Web
site at: .

Explanatory text is in pages 888 to 890 and 1021 to 1023 of the PDF
file, and summary tables are presented on pages 919, 1048, and 1049.

President Bush signed the funding bill, called the Omnibus
Appropriations Bill, on February 20th, one week after Congress
approved it. See the President's remarks at:
.


First of 45 New Fuel Cell Systems Installed on Long Island

The Long Island Power Authority (LIPA) announced last week that it has
installed a 5-kilowatt fuel cell system at a McDonald's restaurant,
the first of 45 new fuel cell systems to be installed across Long
Island this year. Although LIPA will install the bulk of the Plug
Power systems -- 25 of them -- at its existing West Babylon Fuel Cell
Demonstration Site, the remaining 20 systems will be installed in
single- or multiple-family residences. See the LIPA press release at:
.

Fuel cell systems are also coming to Connecticut, thanks to the
Connecticut Clean Energy Fund (CCEF). The CCEF announced last week
that it has selected 24 fuel-cell proposals for potential funding. The
proposals represent a total of more than two megawatts of generating
capacity, and 16 of the 24 are located in the power-starved
southwestern part of the state. However, the requests total nearly
$26 million, and the CCEF expects to provide less than $9 million in
funds. The companies and organizations that submitted the 24 proposals
must now submit a second round of proposals, which the CCEF will
choose among by June. See the CCEF press release at:
.

And in Ohio, a grant of more than $800,000 will bring a fuel cell
system to Westerville, located near Columbus. Governor Bob Taft
awarded the grant to American Municipal Power-Ohio and the City of
Westerville on February 27th as part of $6.5 million in grants for
fuel cell research and development throughout the state. FuelCell
Energy, Inc. and Caterpillar Inc. expect to win the Westerville
contract, which will include installing a 250-kilowatt fuel cell
system. See the press releases from Governor Taft and FuelCell Energy
at:  and
.


Navy Orders 36.5-Megawatt Superconducting Propulsion Motor

American Superconductor Corporation (AMSC) announced Monday that the
U.S. Navy's Office of Naval Research has awarded the company a
contract to design and build a prototype 36.5-megawatt propulsion
motor using high-temperature superconductors (HTS). AMSC will work
with Northrop Grumman Corporation, a military ship builder, on the
$70 million contract. HTS materials carry electrical current with
essentially zero resistance. The Navy's HTS motor will produce nearly
50,000 horsepower while measuring less than half the size and roughly
one-third the weight of a standard motor with copper conductors.

"The U.S. Navy is going electric," says Rear Admiral Jay M. Cohen,
Chief of Naval Research. "Superconductor technology will help reduce
the size and weight of motors, generators, power transmission 

Re: [biofuel] Using KOH

[jfbusby]

When you do the titration you are finding the concentration of OH...both
potassium and sodium hydroxide.. I dont think there is a problem in this
case.
John Busby
- Original Message -
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:17 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Using KOH


> Cross-posting...
>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >From: "girl_mark_fire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:03:51 -
> >Subject: [Biodiesel] Re: I'm Baaa-aaack!!!
> >
> >A local chemist friend of mine said that the adulturants in less-than-
> >pure KOH is frequently NaOH. I can't easily get an assay on the KOH
> >I've got. Does anyone have any info on how often this actually
> >happens?
> >
> >Here's why I'm bringing it up: People frequently suggest doing a
> >little math to determine how much KOH to use when working with lower
> >grades of it, such as 80% pure. Obviously titration will tell you
> >about any extra needed for the ffa- but you have to calculate the
> >base amount up from the 4.9 grams if working with low purity KOH. I
> >would think that if the assay on the chemical is high in NaOH, it
> >would throw your calulations way off because that NaOH will also
> >react- thus giving you a more potent KOH than you think you have. Any
> >thoughts, and do any of you know much about how frequent this NaOH
> >adulturation is? How much of a difference would 20% NaOH make in a
> >drum-sized batch anyway?
> >
> >mark
>
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Re: [biofuel] Voices from the grave...

[John E Hayes III]

Keith Addison wrote:

>>Great quote.  Only problem is that there is no record Caeser ever said it.
>>
>>http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm
>>
>>
>
>Inasmuch as Snopes is to be believed.
>  
>

Maybe I'm slow, but what does Snopes have to gain from claiming there is 
no record Caeser made the statement. Seems to me that if Caeser *did* 
say it, it would be pretty easy for someone to come up with a proper 
citation and prove Snopes wrong.

Besides, why should we make up false attributions when real ones will do 
just as well. For example, I stumbled across this one today.

"Of course the people don't want war... that is understood. But, after 
all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's 
always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a 
democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or acommunist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the 
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them 
they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any 
country." --Hermann Goering, Adolf Hitler's Deputy Chief and Luftwaffe 
Commander, at the Nuremberg trials, 1946.

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Re: [biofuel] Re: double cropping, debugging

[Neoteric Biofuels Inc]

Canola is indeed grown in southern Ontario, not a lot, but more all the 
time.




On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 09:51 AM, k5farms wrote:

> --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> White mustard has very shallow roots and quickly grows a profusion
> of large> leaves. It is useful for controlling nematode.
>
> Seems with GModification, all the mustard plants could do this.
>
> I travelled throughout Ontario because I heard canola was being grown
> all over Canada. I never did find any rape,



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Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping

[Neoteric Biofuels Inc]

Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen 
fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and 
vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop, 
and has been intercropped with sunflowers.


Edward Beggs
On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 09:25 AM, James Slayden wrote:

> Someone please correct me, but aren't a legumes nitrogen fixing?  Maybe
> they are doing something with that.  I'm sure their not going to "give 
> up
> the farm" and tell us what crop they are planning to grow, since it IS 
> a
> part of their business stragety.  But looking at the oilseed chart on 
> JTF
> castorbeens come to mind.
>
> James Slayden
>
> On 11 Mar 2003, Darald Bantel wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 02:43, girl_mark_fire wrote:
>>> Blue Sun Biodiesel, who is a very ambitious biodiesel producer
>>> gearing up to build a huge plant in Colorado, is banking on local
>>> farmers' doublecropping as one of their strategies. I think the
>>> locals grow winter wheat. Growing an oilcrop for Blue Sun before the
>>> wheat season gives them the benefits you describe below. I think the
>>> crop is mustard- I could be wrong though, it was a casual
>>> conversation and I don't have the info in print anywhere. I also
>>> think they said it was a nitrogenfixer- I don't remember if mustard
>>> does that or not- but it sounded like a win-win situation for the
>>> local farmers on the Plains there- part of the idea is also that
>>> they'll be growing a crop with a guaranteed purchaser, not subject to
>>> market fluctuations in chicago or somehere. And they'll still be
>>> growing wheat.
>>> mark
>>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> I would not think that it would be a form of mustard as there are (to
>> date) no nitrogen fixing varieties of mustard and to do the
>> bioengineering would mean that that this would be a genetically
>> engineered crop - ergo - very very difficult to sell in today's
>> markets!!
>>
>> Darald
>>
>>
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RE: [biofuel] jeep TDI

[Crabb, David]

 does anyone know whether you
can stick a vw TDI into a jeep wrangler?

I like the wrangler as a no -frills  vehicle,  but
dont really care for  getting 16-19 mpg

I believe I have seen 80's vintage VW diesels installed in
Suzuki sidekicks, with apprx 35 mpg+ or so.

The wife is not terribly fond of the Suzuki vehicle, though and would rather

attempt a different route.
I think there should be more room in the jeep engine bay.



thanks for any help.




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RE: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?

[DIAZ DE CERIO, CESAR]

The SDi engine is basically the same as the TDi, but without turbo. In Europe, 
TDi is a turbodiesel direct injection (in the 1.9 litre size has versions from 
90 to 150 CV, depending on the car model). 
SDi is an atmospheric direct injection, with 65 CV in the 1.9 litre version and 
60 CV in the 1.7 litre. I have driven the atmospheric engines and they achieve 
good fuel economy, but do not expect to win a race with them.

-Mensaje original-
De: Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enviado el: miŽrcoles, 12 de marzo de 2003 11:01
Para: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: RE: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?


Ed,

They are Caddy's are 1998 models (not the earlier pickup version). I
don't know what you mean about swirl chambers...sorry, all I know is
that they have an SDi badge on the back (and on the engine), and one
with TDi...
Are all the filters still absolutely necessary (10 to 5 micron) when
using virgin oil too? Also is the addition of ethanol to SVO necessary
even when you are using a pre-heat method? I suppose that would make
sense in the UK as its not always the warmest place to be!

Nick

-Original Message-
From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 11 March 2003 17:18
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?

Nick, by SDi, do you mean swirl chamber engines? What year are the 
Caddy's?

If you use "pure plant oil", (Canola, "OSR", "rapeseed"), and preheat, 
and have good filtration and a two-tank system, you concerns are 
minimal on the swirl-chamber engines. Also oil changes need to be done 
by the book.

We are adding a new on-vehicle SVO filtration system soon, which will 
allow use of a large spin-on cartidge filter. Ten micron is standard, 
but we are also going to try the 5 micron and then the 2 micron filter 
cartridges, as the filtration becomes more  and critical on the newer 
engines (Tdi's, etc.) Double water separators, vacuum gauge, etc. will 
be standard with this arrangement.

The white spirit story is considered to be useless by most members of 
this list who have experience with vegoil use in diesels.

However, of interest is the ACREVO study, which found that blending 9% 
ethanol into new rapeseed oil reduced the preheat temp. needed in a 
small DI engine from about 150C down to about 80C (in the range of 
two-tank system heating ability), and that this gave combustion 
characteristics in the DI engine very similar to diesel fuel (without 
the ethanol, 150C was needed for get the same combustion 
characteristics as diesel).

The study also found that particulate emissions, already reduced by 
half by use of the rapeseed oil versus diesel fuel, were cut roughly by 
half AGAIN when the ethanol was blended in.

Edward Beggs
http://www.biofuels.ca
"G3 SVO Systems, VEG-Therm 12V heaters"


On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 07:11 AM, Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com) 
wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Been thinking of converting the company VW Caddy Vans (3x 1.9 SDi, 1x
> 1.9 TDi) to run a two tank SVO system (most likely the DieselTherm one

> -
> http://www.diesel-therm.com/veggie-kit.htm).
> I've been reading about what engines are suited / not suited, and I
see
> that VW are among the leaders in Diesel technology, which is 
> comforting,
> but the idea of pumping in heated (virgin) cooking oil into the engine
> still scares meall those stories of gumming up etc.
> My question is this; does the TDi theory apply to SDi engines? I'm a
> computer nerd, so won't be able to tell the difference (except for the
> badge of course!). Has anyone here run an SDi caddy van on SVO before?
> Also, been reading that you can add 5-10% white spirit to the oil and
> use it directly without modification to the engine...seems a little 
> 'too
> easy' for me to believe.anyone got any experience / views on this?
> We probably won't use WVO, we will source virgin oil from a local
> supplier. What oil type is best to use? Rapeseed, coconut etc???
>
> Thanks for the input guys,
>
> Kind Regards
> Nick Taylor,
> Technical Consultant.
> SMTechnology.com
>
>
>
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RE: [biofuel] Antiwar protesters trash 9/11 memorial

[harley3]

  http://www.whittierdailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,207~12026~1234836,00.html


  Antiwar protesters trash 9/11 memorial
  American flags burned and slashed
  By Debbie Pfeiffer Trunnell, Staff Writer

  LA HABRA -- Antiwar protesters burned and ripped up flags, flowers and
patriotic signs at a Sept. 11 memorial that residents erected on a fence
along Whittier Boulevard days after the terrorist attacks in 2001 and have
maintained ever since.

  However, although officers witnessed the vandalism Saturday afternoon,
police did not arrest three people seen damaging the display because they
were "exercising the same freedom of speech that the people who put up the
flags were,' La Habra Police Capt. John Rees said Monday.

  "For this to be vandalism, there had to be an ill-will intent,' he said.

  Rees said in order for police to take any action, the owner of the fence
would have to file a complaint.

  Jeff Collison, owner of The RV Center in La Habra, who has allowed
residents to add patriotic symbols to the fence on his property, said he
just might do that.

  "Their free speech stops at destruction of private property. If they are
allowed to come on my property and burn flags, does that mean I can go to
City Hall or the police station and light their flags on fire because that
is freedom of speech? To me, this is vandalism,' Collison said.

  Some residents Monday hung signs criticizing those who destroyed the
display.

  Tracey Chandler, a Whittier mother of four who has maintained the
spontaneous memorial since it was created by other area residents soon after
the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, said she was shocked by the destruction.

  "They trashed 87 flags, ripped 11 memorial tiles made by myself and my
children out of the ground and glued the Bob Dylan song to a sign that said,
'America, land of the brave, home of the free,' ' she said.

  The Bob Dylan song she referred to is "With God on Our Side,' an antiwar
anthem of the 1960s.

  "It's unbelievable, because there were absolutely no political messages on
this fence. It was all about supporting our troops, which could mean
bringing them home, and about remembering 9-11.'

  Les Howard, a sociology professor at Whittier College, said the incident
might be an indication of some confusion among people trying to stop a
possible war against Iraq but uncertain how to express their sentiments.
However, he said he does not condone the destruction of symbols important to
those who erect them.

  "Some think (the best way to support the troops) is to not question their
role. Some think the best way is to pursue all means possible to avoid
putting them in danger,' he said. "That still does not excuse any
desecration of people's symbolic participation.'

  Chandler said she plans to rebuild the Sept. 11 memorial.

  "We are going to rebuild this memorial, and it will be brighter, bigger
and better than ever,' Chandler said.

  Debbie Pfeiffer Trunnell can be reached at (562) 698-0955, Ext. 3028, or
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RE: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!

[Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com)]

Hi Steve,

I'm in the south west of England, and its pretty cold here at the moment (as 
always!).
As I had about a quarter tank of Diesel, I thought I would get away with just 
adding the oil (it would be heavily diluted in the Diesel), even maybe popping 
over to the petrol station to fill up with Diesel too, to thin it out even more?
I know this may sound weird to you all, its just that I have'nt got my veg 
therm kit yet (still convincing the boss to get them for our vans!) and I'm 
busting to run on at least a little sustainable fuel!

..in essence then, not a good idea?

Nick

-Original Message-
From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 12 March 2003 16:51
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!

what climate are you in? if it's over 80F, you may not have a problem. I
personally would not do it. always preheat veggie oil before injecting it,
always shut down on biodiesel or diesel to clean out the veggie oil.


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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:49 AM
Subject: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!


Hi guys,

Here's an easy question for ya.
I just bought 3 litres of pure Rapseed oil form my local supermarket
(@0.66usd/ltr). I have about ¹ tank of dino Diesel in the tank (1998 VW
Caddy van).is it going to be safe to pour the oil straight into the tank
(mixing it with the Diesel) or am I about to do something really really
stupid? ;)

Nick


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Re: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?

[Neoteric Biofuels Inc]

You should use a 10 micron filter, at minimum, on the engine, like the 
one on our basic two-tank kit. You should prefilter to less than that.


You can certainly run without ethanol blend, I just pointed out the 
findings of the ACREVO study for your interest , as they relate to 
combustion results of vegoil (virgin rapeseed oil) - what happens in 
the cylinder when you burn vegetable oil, even with new oil, and even 
when heated. Two tank systems and purging, prefiltering, etc. have no 
bearing on this - it is a study of the combustion properties.

This should be of interest and is a totally separate issue from what 
you need to do to get the oil out of the tank, through the filter and 
through the injection pump.

Those issues (getting it to the injectors) are the short term day to 
day issues.

You're not going to see instant problems in any engine on vegoil, not 
for months, maybe not even for a few years, depending on how it is 
used. But this does not mean that the potential for creating problems 
has been eliminated.

What happens in the cylinder is a longer term use issue. No doubt many 
people are running vegetable oil in direct injection engines, and no 
doubt that new rapeseed oil is superior - but the issue of longer term 
use remains an open question.

  Direct injection engines are more susceptible to damage from longer 
term use of vegetable oil  than are indirect injection engines, and a 
careful read of the ACREVO study tells you why.

That study also presents  what may be a good solution for such long 
term use - heating combined with a portion of ethanol - the emissions 
results alone are compelling, and the implications for long term use 
also should not be ignored!

Just in case you have not read it yet, here is the link and notes from 
JTF's page:

Report of the European Advanced Combustion Research for Energy from 
Vegetable Oils (ACREVO) study of the use of straight vegetable oil as 
diesel fuel. Investigates the burning characteristics of vegetable oil 
droplets from experiments conducted under high pressure and high 
temperature conditions. Very interesting study, worth a thorough read 
(4,400 words).
http://www.nf-2000.org/secure/Fair/F484.htm








On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 02:00 AM, Nick Taylor 
(SMTechnology.com) wrote:

> Ed,
>
> They are Caddy's are 1998 models (not the earlier pickup version). I
> don't know what you mean about swirl chambers...sorry, all I know is
> that they have an SDi badge on the back (and on the engine), and one
> with TDi...
> Are all the filters still absolutely necessary (10 to 5 micron) when
> using virgin oil too? Also is the addition of ethanol to SVO necessary
> even when you are using a pre-heat method? I suppose that would make
> sense in the UK as its not always the warmest place to be!
>
> Nick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11 March 2003 17:18
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?
>
> Nick, by SDi, do you mean swirl chamber engines? What year are the
> Caddy's?
>
> If you use "pure plant oil", (Canola, "OSR", "rapeseed"), and preheat,
> and have good filtration and a two-tank system, you concerns are
> minimal on the swirl-chamber engines. Also oil changes need to be done
> by the book.
>
> We are adding a new on-vehicle SVO filtration system soon, which will
> allow use of a large spin-on cartidge filter. Ten micron is standard,
> but we are also going to try the 5 micron and then the 2 micron filter
> cartridges, as the filtration becomes more  and critical on the newer
> engines (Tdi's, etc.) Double water separators, vacuum gauge, etc. will
> be standard with this arrangement.
>
> The white spirit story is considered to be useless by most members of
> this list who have experience with vegoil use in diesels.
>
> However, of interest is the ACREVO study, which found that blending 9%
> ethanol into new rapeseed oil reduced the preheat temp. needed in a
> small DI engine from about 150C down to about 80C (in the range of
> two-tank system heating ability), and that this gave combustion
> characteristics in the DI engine very similar to diesel fuel (without
> the ethanol, 150C was needed for get the same combustion
> characteristics as diesel).
>
> The study also found that particulate emissions, already reduced by
> half by use of the rapeseed oil versus diesel fuel, were cut roughly by
> half AGAIN when the ethanol was blended in.
>
> Edward Beggs
> http://www.biofuels.ca
> "G3 SVO Systems, VEG-Therm 12V heaters"
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 07:11 AM, Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com)
> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Been thinking of converting the company VW Caddy Vans (3x 1.9 SDi, 1x
>> 1.9 TDi) to run a two tank SVO system (most likely the DieselTherm one
>
>> -
>> http://www.diesel-therm.com/veggie-kit.htm).
>> I've been reading about what engines are suited / not suited, and I
> see
>> that VW are among the leaders in

[biofuel] Need help on biodiesel process

[emeraldac]

Is there anyone in the Oregon or Washington State area who would be 
willing to let me come and watch the process, and ask questions. 
Thanks Wayne



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[biofuel] Re: About to use some Rapeseed..!

[k5farms]

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com)" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Here's an easy question for ya.
> I just bought 3 litres of pure Rapseed oil form my local 
supermarket (@0.66usd/ltr). I have about ¹ tank of dino Diesel in the 
tank (1998 VW Caddy van).is it going to be safe to pour the oil 
straight into the tank (mixing it with the Diesel) or am I about to 
do something really really stupid? ;)
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
>No!!, but I'm coming from here!::
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[biofuel] processor

[William Clark]

Hi to all,

Bill Clark here after a long absence. I have been working with the City of 
Eufaula, AL and have nearly convinced them to undertake a wvo recycling 
project. They want to try to make biodiesel and operate city vehicles. The 
schools have agreed to operate the buss fleet on 100% biodiesel from wvo.

I have been at this for a good while so I have addressed most concerns. The 
City's insurance company say's they are covered. Of course, we will have to 
meet standards to make this work.

My question is concerning the design of my processor. I have a 300 gal. hot 
water heater that has never been unwrapped. Bearing in mind that electricity is 
very cheap here, is this a good way to undertake the process or only good for 
hot water? I have seen Dale Scroggins' photos and it seems plausible but I wish 
to use the 2 stage process.

Any thoughts?


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[biofuel] Re: double cropping, debugging

[k5farms]

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> White mustard has very shallow roots and quickly grows a profusion 
of large> leaves. It is useful for controlling nematode.

Seems with GModification, all the mustard plants could do this.

I travelled throughout Ontario because I heard canola was being grown 
all over Canada. I never did find any rape, just lots of tobacco,corn 
and soy. I talked w/ a few people and they all said it was to hot for 
canola. They planted alot of spelts. They said all the elavators 
would buy them and they were great because they made a flour that 
people with allergies to wheat could eat.

One of the problems the canola industry is having, besides two years 
of drought, is the crushing industry is leaving and it costs so much 
to ship by train. I just read a report that some are getting a $.75 a 
bushel premium by putting it in a container so they could track where 
the beans came from and to ensure that they wouldn't be mixed with 
other seeds. That, in effect would increase shipping businesses and 
competition that would bring down costs, meaning we would be able to 
price oils all over the world at the same price, another way to 
eliminate all those "nasty" subsidizeies! sp 

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Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel processing Plant design for WVO

[James Slayden]

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html

There are various plant manufactures listed.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, chris53bradley wrote:

> I would like any info for plant design for use in processing WVO for
> biodiesel production. I'm looking for a plant that could handle 1000
> litres an hour of waste vege oil either in a mobile plant or a
> stationary plant. The one at Biodiesel Technologies is cost
> restrictive, for me at least. Thank you
> 
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Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping

[James Slayden]

Someone please correct me, but aren't a legumes nitrogen fixing?  Maybe
they are doing something with that.  I'm sure their not going to "give up
the farm" and tell us what crop they are planning to grow, since it IS a
part of their business stragety.  But looking at the oilseed chart on JTF
castorbeens come to mind.

James Slayden

On 11 Mar 2003, Darald Bantel wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 02:43, girl_mark_fire wrote:
> > Blue Sun Biodiesel, who is a very ambitious biodiesel producer
> > gearing up to build a huge plant in Colorado, is banking on local
> > farmers' doublecropping as one of their strategies. I think the
> > locals grow winter wheat. Growing an oilcrop for Blue Sun before the
> > wheat season gives them the benefits you describe below. I think the
> > crop is mustard- I could be wrong though, it was a casual
> > conversation and I don't have the info in print anywhere. I also
> > think they said it was a nitrogenfixer- I don't remember if mustard
> > does that or not- but it sounded like a win-win situation for the
> > local farmers on the Plains there- part of the idea is also that
> > they'll be growing a crop with a guaranteed purchaser, not subject to
> > market fluctuations in chicago or somehere. And they'll still be
> > growing wheat. 
> > mark
> >
> Greetings
> 
> I would not think that it would be a form of mustard as there are (to
> date) no nitrogen fixing varieties of mustard and to do the
> bioengineering would mean that that this would be a genetically
> engineered crop - ergo - very very difficult to sell in today's
> markets!!
> 
> Darald
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Re: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!

[Edward Beggs]

The question is why? You just want to see if it smells like fries? To 
see if it runs?

Answer, yes, and yes.

Now, you have to make the real decisions:

Two-tank? Yes.

Take your chances on the direct injection engines? Up to you. How long 
do you plan to keep them around? If you are going to trade them in a 
another year or two, then put on a two-tank system and get going. If 
you plan to run them a long time and a lot of kilometers on vegoil, 
maybe look at going further an investigate the idea of blending as well.

Edward Beggs
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On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 05:49 AM, Nick Taylor 
(SMTechnology.com) wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Here's an easy question for ya.
> I just bought 3 litres of pure Rapseed oil form my local supermarket 
> (@0.66usd/ltr). I have about ¹ tank of dino Diesel in the tank (1998 
> VW Caddy van).is it going to be safe to pour the oil straight into 
> the tank (mixing it with the Diesel) or am I about to do something 
> really really stupid? ;)
>
> Nick
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!

[Steve Spence]

what climate are you in? if it's over 80F, you may not have a problem. I
personally would not do it. always preheat veggie oil before injecting it,
always shut down on biodiesel or diesel to clean out the veggie oil.


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To: 
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Subject: [biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!


Hi guys,

Here's an easy question for ya.
I just bought 3 litres of pure Rapseed oil form my local supermarket
(@0.66usd/ltr). I have about ¹ tank of dino Diesel in the tank (1998 VW
Caddy van).is it going to be safe to pour the oil straight into the tank
(mixing it with the Diesel) or am I about to do something really really
stupid? ;)

Nick


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Re: [biofuel] French Fries Get New Name in Congress

[Hakan Falk]

No, they call it "pomme frit" (maybe wrong spelling). I do not
write well in French, if at all. Belgians too, if I remember right.
Swedish borrowed it and it is "pomfrit". In Spanish it is pure
translation "patatas fritas". What I know, the only language
that connect it to French is American English. English it is chips,
like in "fish and chips" or "deep fried". Maybe the English now
also call it "French fries", to maintain the "special relationship".
Which I think the Americans call "brown noseing". Maybe not
so obvious by Blair, but for sure obvious by Aznar.

Both UK and Spain have 70% of population against going to war
without UN mandate, it would actually be against international
law to do it. If US go alone with a no approval, of the new
resolution, it is against international law. I therefore expect that
US/UK/Spain will redraw the suggested resolution and try to
base the war on resolution 1441. But it is unclear if they can do
that, without an official resolution from UN that declare Iraq in
breach of 1441. If US/UK go to war without UN approval, they are
in fact joining the famous club of rouge states that they so
often refer to. They are also following Germany's foot path, before
WWII, that caused the predecessor of UN to be dissolved.
No respect for international law and order (do not shoot me, I am
only a messenger of facts).

Hakan


At 10:22 PM 3/12/2003 +0900, you wrote:
>The French may have invented French fries, if not potatoes. Don't the
>French call French fries English fries?
>
>I think we only know one type of potato, there are hundreds of types
>in their homeland in the Andes, all sorts of different-coloured flesh
>and skins (including purple). There are some great Andean root crops,
>starting to be a bit better known now.
>
>Check out this one:
>http://www.futurefoods.com/oca_notes.html
>Oca - Oxalis tuberosa
>One of the Lost Crops of the Incas, Oca tubers are an important
>staple in the high Andes, grown amongst potatoes and another gem from
>the region, Ulluco...
>
>Nice site, by the way:
>http://www.futurefoods.com/
>Future Foods - Weird & wonderful edible plants
>
>Keith
>
>
> >Potatoes weren't even a French discovery. It's an American one, albeit,
> >South American (Andean Incas), and around 750 bc at that. The French didn't
> >get potatoes until the mid 1700's. Deep fried (frenched) potatoes was a
> >Belgian invention.
> >
> >Our "house" has some real idiots in it, but it's our fault, we voted them
> >in.
> >
> >
> >Steve Spence
> >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter
> >& Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology:
> >http://www.green-trust.org
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:45 PM
> >Subject: [biofuel] French Fries Get New Name in Congress
> >
> >
> > > :-/
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-2473465,00.html
> > >
> > > French Fries Get New Name in Congress
> > >
> > > By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer
> > >
> > > WASHINGTON - Show the flag and pass the ketchup was the order of the
> > > day in House cafeterias Tuesday. Lawmakers struck a lunchtime blow
> > > against the French and put "freedom fries" on the menu.
> > >
> > > And for breakfast they'll now have "freedom toast."
> > >
> > > The name changes follow similar actions by restaurants around the
> > > country protesting French opposition to the administration's Iraq war
> > > plans.
> > >
> > > "Update. Now Serving in All House Office Buildings, 'Freedom Fries,'"
> > > read a sign that Republican Reps. Bob Ney of Ohio and Walter Jones of
> > > North Carolina placed at the register in the Longworth Office Building
> > > food court.
> > >
> > > Jones said he was inspired by Cubbie's restaurant in Beaufort, N.C., in
> > > his district, one of the first to put "freedom fries" on the menu
> > > instead of french fries.
> > >
> > > "This action today is a small but symbolic effort to show the strong
> > > displeasure of many on Capitol Hill with the actions of our so-called
> > > ally, France," said Ney, chairman of the House Administration Committee.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ney, whose panel oversees House operations, ordered the menu changes.
> > >
> > > The French Embassy in Washington had no immediate comment, except to
> > > say that french fries actually come from Belgium.
> > >
> > > Ney said he was of French descent and "once the French government comes
> > > around we can get back to talking about french fries."
> > >
> > > On a more serious note, Republican Jim Saxton of New Jersey has
> > > proposed a ban on Pentagon (news - web sites) participation in this
> > > year's Paris Air Show and restrictions on French participation in any
> > > postwar construction projects in Iraq.
> > >
> > > But House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said at a news conference
> > > that applying legislative sanctions to France was not necessary. "I
> > > don't think we have 

[biofuel] Using KOH

[Keith Addison]

Cross-posting...

>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: "girl_mark_fire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:03:51 -
>Subject: [Biodiesel] Re: I'm Baaa-aaack!!!
>
>A local chemist friend of mine said that the adulturants in less-than-
>pure KOH is frequently NaOH. I can't easily get an assay on the KOH
>I've got. Does anyone have any info on how often this actually
>happens?
>
>Here's why I'm bringing it up: People frequently suggest doing a
>little math to determine how much KOH to use when working with lower
>grades of it, such as 80% pure. Obviously titration will tell you
>about any extra needed for the ffa- but you have to calculate the
>base amount up from the 4.9 grams if working with low purity KOH. I
>would think that if the assay on the chemical is high in NaOH, it
>would throw your calulations way off because that NaOH will also
>react- thus giving you a more potent KOH than you think you have. Any
>thoughts, and do any of you know much about how frequent this NaOH
>adulturation is? How much of a difference would 20% NaOH make in a
>drum-sized batch anyway?
>
>mark


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[biofuel] About to use some Rapeseed..!

[Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com)]

Hi guys,

Here's an easy question for ya.
I just bought 3 litres of pure Rapseed oil form my local supermarket 
(@0.66usd/ltr). I have about ¹ tank of dino Diesel in the tank (1998 VW Caddy 
van).is it going to be safe to pour the oil straight into the tank (mixing 
it with the Diesel) or am I about to do something really really stupid? ;)

Nick


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Re: [biofuel] French Fries Get New Name in Congress

[Keith Addison]

The French may have invented French fries, if not potatoes. Don't the 
French call French fries English fries?

I think we only know one type of potato, there are hundreds of types 
in their homeland in the Andes, all sorts of different-coloured flesh 
and skins (including purple). There are some great Andean root crops, 
starting to be a bit better known now.

Check out this one:
http://www.futurefoods.com/oca_notes.html
Oca - Oxalis tuberosa
One of the Lost Crops of the Incas, Oca tubers are an important 
staple in the high Andes, grown amongst potatoes and another gem from 
the region, Ulluco...

Nice site, by the way:
http://www.futurefoods.com/
Future Foods - Weird & wonderful edible plants

Keith


>Potatoes weren't even a French discovery. It's an American one, albeit,
>South American (Andean Incas), and around 750 bc at that. The French didn't
>get potatoes until the mid 1700's. Deep fried (frenched) potatoes was a
>Belgian invention.
>
>Our "house" has some real idiots in it, but it's our fault, we voted them
>in.
>
>
>Steve Spence
>Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter
>& Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology:
>http://www.green-trust.org
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>- Original Message -
>From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:45 PM
>Subject: [biofuel] French Fries Get New Name in Congress
>
>
> > :-/
> >
> >
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-2473465,00.html
> >
> > French Fries Get New Name in Congress
> >
> > By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer
> >
> > WASHINGTON - Show the flag and pass the ketchup was the order of the
> > day in House cafeterias Tuesday. Lawmakers struck a lunchtime blow
> > against the French and put "freedom fries" on the menu.
> >
> > And for breakfast they'll now have "freedom toast."
> >
> > The name changes follow similar actions by restaurants around the
> > country protesting French opposition to the administration's Iraq war
> > plans.
> >
> > "Update. Now Serving in All House Office Buildings, 'Freedom Fries,'"
> > read a sign that Republican Reps. Bob Ney of Ohio and Walter Jones of
> > North Carolina placed at the register in the Longworth Office Building
> > food court.
> >
> > Jones said he was inspired by Cubbie's restaurant in Beaufort, N.C., in
> > his district, one of the first to put "freedom fries" on the menu
> > instead of french fries.
> >
> > "This action today is a small but symbolic effort to show the strong
> > displeasure of many on Capitol Hill with the actions of our so-called
> > ally, France," said Ney, chairman of the House Administration Committee.
> >
> >
> > Ney, whose panel oversees House operations, ordered the menu changes.
> >
> > The French Embassy in Washington had no immediate comment, except to
> > say that french fries actually come from Belgium.
> >
> > Ney said he was of French descent and "once the French government comes
> > around we can get back to talking about french fries."
> >
> > On a more serious note, Republican Jim Saxton of New Jersey has
> > proposed a ban on Pentagon (news - web sites) participation in this
> > year's Paris Air Show and restrictions on French participation in any
> > postwar construction projects in Iraq.
> >
> > But House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said at a news conference
> > that applying legislative sanctions to France was not necessary. "I
> > don't think we have to retaliate against France. They've isolated
> > themselves pretty well," he said.
 


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Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping

[Steve Spence]

White mustard has very shallow roots and quickly grows a profusion of large
leaves. It is useful for controlling nematodes. A substance which repels the
nematodes is released from the leaves as they decompose. The leaves can
either be slashed and left on the surface as mulch, or dug in. It takes
eight weeks from sowing to slashing. White mustard is often sown after a
tomato crop, to break the cycle of soil pests and diseases such as
nematodes.

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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping


> On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 02:43, girl_mark_fire wrote:
> > Blue Sun Biodiesel, who is a very ambitious biodiesel producer
> > gearing up to build a huge plant in Colorado, is banking on local
> > farmers' doublecropping as one of their strategies. I think the
> > locals grow winter wheat. Growing an oilcrop for Blue Sun before the
> > wheat season gives them the benefits you describe below. I think the
> > crop is mustard- I could be wrong though, it was a casual
> > conversation and I don't have the info in print anywhere. I also
> > think they said it was a nitrogenfixer- I don't remember if mustard
> > does that or not- but it sounded like a win-win situation for the
> > local farmers on the Plains there- part of the idea is also that
> > they'll be growing a crop with a guaranteed purchaser, not subject to
> > market fluctuations in chicago or somehere. And they'll still be
> > growing wheat.
> > mark
> >
> Greetings
>
> I would not think that it would be a form of mustard as there are (to
> date) no nitrogen fixing varieties of mustard and to do the
> bioengineering would mean that that this would be a genetically
> engineered crop - ergo - very very difficult to sell in today's
> markets!!
>
> Darald
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] French Fries Get New Name in Congress

[Steve Spence]

Potatoes weren't even a French discovery. It's an American one, albeit,
South American (Andean Incas), and around 750 bc at that. The French didn't
get potatoes until the mid 1700's. Deep fried (frenched) potatoes was a
Belgian invention.

Our "house" has some real idiots in it, but it's our fault, we voted them
in.


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From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:45 PM
Subject: [biofuel] French Fries Get New Name in Congress


> :-/
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-2473465,00.html
>
> French Fries Get New Name in Congress
>
> By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer
>
> WASHINGTON - Show the flag and pass the ketchup was the order of the
> day in House cafeterias Tuesday. Lawmakers struck a lunchtime blow
> against the French and put "freedom fries" on the menu.
>
> And for breakfast they'll now have "freedom toast."
>
> The name changes follow similar actions by restaurants around the
> country protesting French opposition to the administration's Iraq war
> plans.
>
> "Update. Now Serving in All House Office Buildings, 'Freedom Fries,'"
> read a sign that Republican Reps. Bob Ney of Ohio and Walter Jones of
> North Carolina placed at the register in the Longworth Office Building
> food court.
>
> Jones said he was inspired by Cubbie's restaurant in Beaufort, N.C., in
> his district, one of the first to put "freedom fries" on the menu
> instead of french fries.
>
> "This action today is a small but symbolic effort to show the strong
> displeasure of many on Capitol Hill with the actions of our so-called
> ally, France," said Ney, chairman of the House Administration Committee.
>
>
> Ney, whose panel oversees House operations, ordered the menu changes.
>
> The French Embassy in Washington had no immediate comment, except to
> say that french fries actually come from Belgium.
>
> Ney said he was of French descent and "once the French government comes
> around we can get back to talking about french fries."
>
> On a more serious note, Republican Jim Saxton of New Jersey has
> proposed a ban on Pentagon (news - web sites) participation in this
> year's Paris Air Show and restrictions on French participation in any
> postwar construction projects in Iraq.
>
> But House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said at a news conference
> that applying legislative sanctions to France was not necessary. "I
> don't think we have to retaliate against France. They've isolated
> themselves pretty well," he said.
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?

[Steve Spence]

We filter to .5 micron on used oil before we put into the tank. We don't
prefilter virgin oil. Once it is in there. standard diesel filter ranges
(10 - 30 ) micron work fine. When preheating the oil, you do not need to add
anything to it, as the heat gets it to a low enough viscosity for safe
injection. We have this working at -40 degrees.

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From: "Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:00 AM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?


> Ed,
>
> They are Caddy's are 1998 models (not the earlier pickup version). I
> don't know what you mean about swirl chambers...sorry, all I know is
> that they have an SDi badge on the back (and on the engine), and one
> with TDi...
> Are all the filters still absolutely necessary (10 to 5 micron) when
> using virgin oil too? Also is the addition of ethanol to SVO necessary
> even when you are using a pre-heat method? I suppose that would make
> sense in the UK as its not always the warmest place to be!
>
> Nick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11 March 2003 17:18
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?
>
> Nick, by SDi, do you mean swirl chamber engines? What year are the
> Caddy's?
>
> If you use "pure plant oil", (Canola, "OSR", "rapeseed"), and preheat,
> and have good filtration and a two-tank system, you concerns are
> minimal on the swirl-chamber engines. Also oil changes need to be done
> by the book.
>
> We are adding a new on-vehicle SVO filtration system soon, which will
> allow use of a large spin-on cartidge filter. Ten micron is standard,
> but we are also going to try the 5 micron and then the 2 micron filter
> cartridges, as the filtration becomes more  and critical on the newer
> engines (Tdi's, etc.) Double water separators, vacuum gauge, etc. will
> be standard with this arrangement.
>
> The white spirit story is considered to be useless by most members of
> this list who have experience with vegoil use in diesels.
>
> However, of interest is the ACREVO study, which found that blending 9%
> ethanol into new rapeseed oil reduced the preheat temp. needed in a
> small DI engine from about 150C down to about 80C (in the range of
> two-tank system heating ability), and that this gave combustion
> characteristics in the DI engine very similar to diesel fuel (without
> the ethanol, 150C was needed for get the same combustion
> characteristics as diesel).
>
> The study also found that particulate emissions, already reduced by
> half by use of the rapeseed oil versus diesel fuel, were cut roughly by
> half AGAIN when the ethanol was blended in.
>
> Edward Beggs
> http://www.biofuels.ca
> "G3 SVO Systems, VEG-Therm 12V heaters"
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 07:11 AM, Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com)
> wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Been thinking of converting the company VW Caddy Vans (3x 1.9 SDi, 1x
> > 1.9 TDi) to run a two tank SVO system (most likely the DieselTherm one
>
> > -
> > http://www.diesel-therm.com/veggie-kit.htm).
> > I've been reading about what engines are suited / not suited, and I
> see
> > that VW are among the leaders in Diesel technology, which is
> > comforting,
> > but the idea of pumping in heated (virgin) cooking oil into the engine
> > still scares meall those stories of gumming up etc.
> > My question is this; does the TDi theory apply to SDi engines? I'm a
> > computer nerd, so won't be able to tell the difference (except for the
> > badge of course!). Has anyone here run an SDi caddy van on SVO before?
> > Also, been reading that you can add 5-10% white spirit to the oil and
> > use it directly without modification to the engine...seems a little
> > 'too
> > easy' for me to believe.anyone got any experience / views on this?
> > We probably won't use WVO, we will source virgin oil from a local
> > supplier. What oil type is best to use? Rapeseed, coconut etc???
> >
> > Thanks for the input guys,
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > Nick Taylor,
> > Technical Consultant.
> > SMTechnology.com
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [biofuel] French Fries Get New Name in Congress

[Hakan Falk]

Sounds like the old joke about English arrogance,

"When it is fog in the channel, the European continent is isolated"

So according Tom DeLay now,

"Nobody agrees with US, so the world is isolated",

LOL, that was a really good one.

Hakan


>But House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said at a news conference
>that applying legislative sanctions to France was not necessary. "I
>don't think we have to retaliate against France. They've isolated
>themselves pretty well," he said.



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RE: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?

[Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com)]

Ed,

They are Caddy's are 1998 models (not the earlier pickup version). I
don't know what you mean about swirl chambers...sorry, all I know is
that they have an SDi badge on the back (and on the engine), and one
with TDi...
Are all the filters still absolutely necessary (10 to 5 micron) when
using virgin oil too? Also is the addition of ethanol to SVO necessary
even when you are using a pre-heat method? I suppose that would make
sense in the UK as its not always the warmest place to be!

Nick

-Original Message-
From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 11 March 2003 17:18
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?

Nick, by SDi, do you mean swirl chamber engines? What year are the 
Caddy's?

If you use "pure plant oil", (Canola, "OSR", "rapeseed"), and preheat, 
and have good filtration and a two-tank system, you concerns are 
minimal on the swirl-chamber engines. Also oil changes need to be done 
by the book.

We are adding a new on-vehicle SVO filtration system soon, which will 
allow use of a large spin-on cartidge filter. Ten micron is standard, 
but we are also going to try the 5 micron and then the 2 micron filter 
cartridges, as the filtration becomes more  and critical on the newer 
engines (Tdi's, etc.) Double water separators, vacuum gauge, etc. will 
be standard with this arrangement.

The white spirit story is considered to be useless by most members of 
this list who have experience with vegoil use in diesels.

However, of interest is the ACREVO study, which found that blending 9% 
ethanol into new rapeseed oil reduced the preheat temp. needed in a 
small DI engine from about 150C down to about 80C (in the range of 
two-tank system heating ability), and that this gave combustion 
characteristics in the DI engine very similar to diesel fuel (without 
the ethanol, 150C was needed for get the same combustion 
characteristics as diesel).

The study also found that particulate emissions, already reduced by 
half by use of the rapeseed oil versus diesel fuel, were cut roughly by 
half AGAIN when the ethanol was blended in.

Edward Beggs
http://www.biofuels.ca
"G3 SVO Systems, VEG-Therm 12V heaters"


On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 07:11 AM, Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com) 
wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Been thinking of converting the company VW Caddy Vans (3x 1.9 SDi, 1x
> 1.9 TDi) to run a two tank SVO system (most likely the DieselTherm one

> -
> http://www.diesel-therm.com/veggie-kit.htm).
> I've been reading about what engines are suited / not suited, and I
see
> that VW are among the leaders in Diesel technology, which is 
> comforting,
> but the idea of pumping in heated (virgin) cooking oil into the engine
> still scares meall those stories of gumming up etc.
> My question is this; does the TDi theory apply to SDi engines? I'm a
> computer nerd, so won't be able to tell the difference (except for the
> badge of course!). Has anyone here run an SDi caddy van on SVO before?
> Also, been reading that you can add 5-10% white spirit to the oil and
> use it directly without modification to the engine...seems a little 
> 'too
> easy' for me to believe.anyone got any experience / views on this?
> We probably won't use WVO, we will source virgin oil from a local
> supplier. What oil type is best to use? Rapeseed, coconut etc???
>
> Thanks for the input guys,
>
> Kind Regards
> Nick Taylor,
> Technical Consultant.
> SMTechnology.com
>
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