[Biofuel] small oil press
eew. i knew it would be more complicated than it needed to be. i found a publication about how to design and build a screw press like the PITEBA, but it is not very user friendly as far as the explanations go(at least not for me). http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~dbartlett/EWB-MALI/Document%20Page/sdarticle.pdf ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Garrison Keillor on Bush II
You got it Gary, they have adopted the Bush policy of pre-emptive strikes by walking into the Texas bars and looking for and arresting people who are over the legal blood alcohol limit for driving before they leave and get on the road. They jail them for public intoxication. PreCrime is now a fact here in the great State of Texas! Actually I heard there was enough political backlash that they are now rethinking their position on Pre-Crime here in Texas. Of course the DEA has been into PreCrime for years now, guilty until proven innocent, another Bush I and II legacy. Lucky for me my only real vice is eating healthy, raw organic vegetables. Mike McGinness "Gary L. Green" wrote: > Speaking of beer, and I was, ... Mike, I read they are going into > bars and arresting people for being drunk. Pre-crime. I never > thought I'd see it in my life time. > > On 09Apr, 2006, at 2:40 AM, Mike McGinness wrote: > > > However, this Texan would rather see him sent to Iraq to fight his > > own war. We don't need him back in Texas, and we can't leave him in > > Washington either. By the way I voted against the republicans and > > the Bushes since 1990, so don't blaim me. > > > > Mike McGinness > > __ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bring the Sixties Out of the Closet
Hi Gustl, Mike But it didn't drift away. Some people did, a lot of them, but it went on happening anyway. A lot of people didn't change, and a lot of those didn't get stuck in an old rut either, even if all the Rolling Stone ads were for Porsche and Bang & Olefson these days. It got splintered too, but it never quite lost its cohesion, nor sight of its basic tenets, and it didn't just moulder, it picked up new people on the way. In quite a lot of ways it grew and matured. After all, there was something there ready to happen at Seattle in 1999. And since. Not quite the same as the sixties but not essentially different either. I think it made its mark on everyone involved, to a small or large extent their lives were differently focused and differently informed afterwards. It made its mark on everything, it's part of everyone's heritage. (Even if they didn't inhale!) And here we are in a global village discussing it, using Ivan Illich's learning web, FCOL, and talking quite a lot about the other superpower. The sixties isn't dead, it doesn't even smell bad. Too soon to tell if it was (is) a success or a failure as alleged, but it looks pretty good to me. It's about the only thing that does. Hang in there, keep on trucking! Don't trust anyone over 30! ROFL!! Not a bummer - happy happy! Best Keith >Hallo Mike, > >Friday, 07 April, 2006, 20:04:32, you wrote: > >MW> Uh, Yeah. Dude. > >MW> We had all these great ideas, then we got really stoned and it >MW> drifted away. > >Actually brother, money entered the picture and the better portion of >us just melded into the system. Seems like somehow folks just never >learned to get the right balance of idealism and practicality. And >with all the "isms" the "we" became exclusionary rather than inclusive >and we started down that gradual slope. It really is a question of >balance isn't it? > >MW> Then it was the 80's. > >And here they slowly come again. > >MW> Bummer > >Far out... > >Happy Happy, > >Gustl >...snip... >-- >Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. > >We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. > >The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, >soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, >without signposts. >C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" > >Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, >daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht >gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. > >Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't >hear the music. >George Carlin > >The best portion of a good man's life - >His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. >William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: More Gardening News
Little known? Only by 30% of the chiropractors on the planet. Davenport is the home to the Palmer College of Chiropractic. I lived there from 91 - 93.Not a bad little place. Very strange to see these mansions standing in the ghetto areas. Huge homes you can't give away in certain areas. In other areas they've been redone and a just gorgeous. Lot's of good bike riding. Wineries, lots of stuff if you know where to look. I enjoyed my time there.On 09Apr, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Jason & Katie wrote:a little-known place called the quad cities. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers
Just my opinion .. nothing more If the ballet system doesn't include a write-in and ALSO A PAPER TRAIL I wouldn't trust it .. I'm hearing .. and believing a lot of information about electronic ballet systems that can be tampered with .. as if they haven't "been" there and done "that".. (as in tampered). As if loads of people are going back and handing in their paper receipts of their individual elected choices .. it's hard enough to get them to come out and vote!! This particular governing system has been in office enough time to have influenced .. and/or .. sorry .. (stronger words) .. to have corrupted the whole system. .. we are .. in general .. totally ignorant of technology .. sorry but I just had my computer .. taken out and cleaned .. uggh .. can't find anything .. and I know I'm not unique in this arena. I read somewhere .. perhaps this list .. that we, as American citizens could not pass judgment against the citizens of pre-war Germany as the Nazi's were taking control. .. I do feel a camaraderie with those individuals who .. perhaps .. stood against what was happening with their country. My little "spit" into the darkness .. please check out our new website: http://allcreatureconnections.org Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Mike McGinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:52:18 -0500 A friend of mine sent me this today. Thought many of you would appreciate some of them. And, perhaps there is hope in 2006!! I am seeing a strong movement here in the USA to replace the republicans THIS year! There seem to be dozens of issues getting current media attention that are creating a huge backlash against the republicans right now, or at least against Bush that have even the republicans turning on him as the election approaches. The republicans that are facing re-election to the Senate and House are distancing themselves as much as possible from Bush and Chainey!! I am seeing it in the news on a daily basis If the election were held today many experts, including democrats, republicans and pollsters, all say they believe the democrats would take over the House and possibly the Senate. If this trend continues, then this November's election could cripple the Bush reign of anti-terror terror. Mike McGinness Great Bumper Stickers for 2006 > > DEAR WORLD, WE TRIED OUR BEST > -- HALF OF AMERICA > > BLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT PATRIOTISM > > IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED, > YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION > > IF YOU SUPPORTED BUSH, > A YELLOW RIBBON WON'T MAKE UP FOR IT > > SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; > IMPEACH BUSH > > AT LEAST IN VIETNAM, > BUSH HAD AN EXIT STRATEGY > > SEND THE TWINS > > POVERTY, HEALTHCARE & HOMELESSNESS ARE MORAL ISSUES > > SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; > BRING THEM HOME NOW! > > BUSH LIED, > AND YOU KNOW IT! > > RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM: > A THREAT ABROAD, A THREAT AT HOME > > GOD BLESS EVERYONE > (No exceptions) > > BUSH SPENT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY ON HIS WAR > > "TIS THE TIMES PLAGUE WHEN MADMEN LEAD THE BLIND" > -- William Shakespeare (King Lear) > > "THEY THAT CAN GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY > TO OBTAIN A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY > DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY" > -- Benjamin Franklin > > PRO AMERICA, > ANTI BUSH > > WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? > > IF YOU SUPPORT BUSH'S WAR, > WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? > SHUT UP AND SHIP OUT > > FEEL SAFER NOW? > > I'D RATHER HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SCREWED HIS INTERN > THAN ONE WHO SCREWED HIS COUNTRY > > JESUS WAS A SOCIAL ACTIVIST LIBERAL > > MY VALUES? FREE SPEECH. EQUALITY. > LIBERTY. EDUCATION. TOLERANCE > > IS IT 2008 YET? > > DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM > -- Thomas Jefferson > > DON'T BLAME ME. > > I VOTED AGAINST BUSH -- TWICE! > > NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED > > OF COURSE IT HURTS. > YOU'RE GETTING SCREWED BY AN ELEPHANT > > ANNOY A CONSERVATIVE; > THINK FOR YOURSELF > > VISUALIZE IMPEACHMENT > > HEY BUSH! > WHERE'S BIN LADEN? > > GEORGE W. BUSH: > MAKING TERRORISTS FASTER THAN HE CAN KILL THEM > > WHERE ARE WE GOING? > AND WHY ARE WE IN THIS HANDBASKET? > > KEEP YOUR THEOCRACY OFF MY DEMOCRACY > > CORPORATE MEDIA: WEAPONS OF MASS DECEPTION > > DON'T CONFUSE DYING FOR OIL WITH FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM > > STEM CELL RESEARCH IS PRO LIFE > > HATE, GREED, IGNORANCE: > WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION > > HONOR OUR TROOPS; > DEMAND THE TRUTH > > REBUILD IRAQ? > WHY NOT SPEND 87 B
[Biofuel] accredation (old post revisited)
I am going to bring up an old post (February- lets accredit ourselves) because I read the entire thread in the archives and didn't see any real decision. Why don't we form a public trade group? It would be huge, given the scale and reach of our mailing list alone. It should set off a ripple that would bring all the private 'fuellers out of the woodwork to support or at least parallel our cause. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]
Reading the article discussed below is just plain scary as hell. If it's true we need to contact our congresspersons and senators and tell them how we feel so that they can put a stop to this madness now before it is too late. Since there is an election coming up in November, something tells me if they hear from enough of us now they will take decisive action. Mike McGinness Marty Phee wrote: > Original Message > Subject:[IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:43:42 -0400 > From: David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: ip@v2.listbox.com > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Tim Finin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: April 8, 2006 3:40:18 PM EDT > To: Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? > > Seymour Hersh has a 6000 work article in next week's New > Yorker on possible plans for a pre-emptive bombing strike > against Iran including the use of nuclear weapons. While > Hersh has not always been right in his predications, he has a > pretty good track record on the whole. It's a good article > and also a worrisome one. No matter what you believe of the > wisdom of attacking Iran, if we do there are bound to be many > more difficulties ahead before things get better. > > -- > > THE IRAN PLANS > Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the bomb? > Seymour M. Hersh, New yorker issue of 2006-04-17, posted 2006-04-10 > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > The Bush Administration, while publicly advocating diplomacy > in order to stop Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon, has > increased clandestine activities inside Iran and intensified > planning for a possible major air attack. Current and former > American military and intelligence officials said that Air > Force planning groups are drawing up lists of targets, and > teams of American combat troops have been ordered into Iran, > under cover, to collect targeting data and to establish > contact with anti-government ethnic-minority groups. The > officials say that President Bush is determined to deny the > Iranian regime the opportunity to begin a pilot program, > planned for this spring, to enrich uranium. > ... > A government consultant with close ties to the civilian > leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was "absolutely > convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb" if it is not > stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do > "what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, > would have the courage to do," and "that saving Iran is going > to be his legacy." > > One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive > issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military > planning was premised on a belief that "a sustained bombing > campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and > lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government." He > added, "I was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, 'What > are they smoking?'" > ... > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > - > You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To manage your subscription, go to > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip > > Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Documentation on Wood Properties
this is a very useful resourc, thanks.Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I found some good documentation on wood at the USDA Forrest Service. Properties of wood: http://tinyurl.com/oyyd5 or http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr113/ch04.pdf#search='mechanical%20properties%20of%20wood' Publications list: http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/document-lists/1-publication--list.html Mike___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/..Division of Energy and Furnace Technology,Department of Materials Science and Engineering,Royal Institute of Technology (KTH),Brinellvägen 23,SE 100 44 Stockholm,Sweden.Tel. 0046 8 205 204Fax: 0046 8 207 681.. Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] small oil press
Very Nice! Complicated? Yes, the explanation is complicated but, not unusual for a research paper. It not only provides theoretical proof but, also provides the theoretical tools for redesign by the reader. The bottom line is how to produce a set of prints from this research and start using it! It looks like we may need to apply some appropriate technology principles which would allow any of us to build it (or have it built) in a cost effective way. WWSD - What would Schumacher do? MikeJason & Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: eew. i knew it would be more complicated than it needed to be. i found a publication about how to design and build a screw press like the PITEBA, but it is not very user friendly as far as the explanations go(at least not for me). http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~dbartlett/EWB-MALI/Document%20Page/sdarticle.pdf ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability
I'm glad so see discussions about WVO (supply, sustainability and big business) and methods for pressing your own oil. I always felt that increasing competition for WVO in the future will make that supply unsustainable. That along with the future availability of methanol caused me to shift my interest to ethanol as a fuel. Now I'm wondering if a scheme can me developed for a crop rotation that allows continuous alternations between oil and sugar producing plants so that energy independence might take on a hybrid approach. For example, safflower/sugar beets/soy/potatoes/etc, etc. This is just an example - I'm not a farmer (yet). Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy
Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the rest of us support Dick CHENEY. Terry WilhelmMike McGinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A friend of mine sent me this today. Thought many of you would appreciate some of them. And, perhaps there is hope in 2006!! I am seeing a strong movement here in the USA to replace the republicans THIS year! There seem to be dozens of issues getting current media attention that are creating a huge backlash against the republicans right now, or at least against Bush that have even the republicans turning on him as the election approaches. The republicans that are facing re-election to the Senate and House are distancing themselves as much as possible from Bush and Chainey!! I am seeing it in the news on a daily basis If the election were held today many experts, including democrats, republicans and pollsters, all say they believe the democrats would take over the House and possibly the Senate. If this trend continues, then this November's election could cripple the Bush reign of anti-terror terror. Mike McGinness Great Bumper Stickers for 2006 > > DEAR WORLD, WE TRIED OUR BEST > -- HALF OF AMERICA > > BLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT PATRIOTISM > > IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED, > YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION > > IF YOU SUPPORTED BUSH, > A YELLOW RIBBON WON'T MAKE UP FOR IT > > SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; > IMPEACH BUSH > > AT LEAST IN VIETNAM, > BUSH HAD AN EXIT STRATEGY > > SEND THE TWINS > > POVERTY, HEALTHCARE & HOMELESSNESS ARE MORAL ISSUES > > SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; > BRING THEM HOME NOW! > > BUSH LIED, > AND YOU KNOW IT! > > RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM: > A THREAT ABROAD, A THREAT AT HOME > > GOD BLESS EVERYONE > (No exceptions) > > BUSH SPENT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY ON HIS WAR > > "TIS THE TIMES PLAGUE WHEN MADMEN LEAD THE BLIND" > -- William Shakespeare (King Lear) > > "THEY THAT CAN GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY > TO OBTAIN A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY > DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY" > -- Benjamin Franklin > > PRO AMERICA, > ANTI BUSH > > WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? > > IF YOU SUPPORT BUSH'S WAR, > WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? > SHUT UP AND SHIP OUT > > FEEL SAFER NOW? > > I'D RATHER HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SCREWED HIS INTERN > THAN ONE WHO SCREWED HIS COUNTRY > > JESUS WAS A SOCIAL ACTIVIST LIBERAL > > MY VALUES? FREE SPEECH. EQUALITY. > LIBERTY. EDUCATION. TOLERANCE > > IS IT 2008 YET? > > DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM > -- Thomas Jefferson > > DON'T BLAME ME. > > I VOTED AGAINST BUSH -- TWICE! > > NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED > > OF COURSE IT HURTS. > YOU'RE GETTING SCREWED BY AN ELEPHANT > > ANNOY A CONSERVATIVE; > THINK FOR YOURSELF > > VISUALIZE IMPEACHMENT > > HEY BUSH! > WHERE'S BIN LADEN? > > GEORGE W. BUSH: > MAKING TERRORISTS FASTER THAN HE CAN KILL THEM > > WHERE ARE WE GOING? > AND WHY ARE WE IN THIS HANDBASKET? > > KEEP YOUR THEOCRACY OFF MY DEMOCRACY > > CORPORATE MEDIA: WEAPONS OF MASS DECEPTION > > DON'T CONFUSE DYING FOR OIL WITH FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM > > STEM CELL RESEARCH IS PRO LIFE > > HATE, GREED, IGNORANCE: > WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION > > HONOR OUR TROOPS; > DEMAND THE TRUTH > > REBUILD IRAQ? > WHY NOT SPEND 87 BILLION ON AMERICA? > > FACT: BUSH OIL > 1999 - $19 BARREL > 2006 - $70 BARREL > > THE LAST TIME RELIGION CONTROLLED POLITICS, > PEOPLE GOT BURNED AT THE STAKE > > I'LL GIVE UP MY CHOICE WHEN JOHN ROBERTS GETS PREGNANT > > HOW ON EARTH CAN 59,411,287 PEOPLE BE SO DUMB?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Using Pex?
Mike, Thanks for the info. I will let the list know how it holds up. Luke >From: Mike McGinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using Pex? >Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:15:05 -0500 > >Luke, > >PEX should work OK, but the life span would depend on what it is exposed >to. It >is not good for long term outdoor use as UV breaks it down after several >months >in the sun. Also, it probably won't last too long if used for straight >sodium >methoxide or high strength sodium hydroxide service, but you may get a few >months >of continuous service before it fails. I do know that 50% sodium hydroxide >breaks >it down pretty quick (a couple of months). Heat and pressure will shorten >the >life further. > >It should hold up pretty well to the WVO and biodiesel. An interesting >site, >biodiesel reactor how to page, listed below shows PEX being used for a >sight >gauge on his "processor tank". > >http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor3.html > >I also found this: > >"Joseph, Using polyethylene, cross linked pex tubing is rated for >petrochemical >use. you will have no >problems using it for svo, or biodiesel fuel and processing. It is also >rated for >pressure and >temperature,usually around 200 degress F.and 100 p.s.i. I use it in my >business >all the time. Good Luck >and keep going!! D.Streeter" > >by searching "PEX" in the lists search engine at the bottom of this page. >Here is >the link to the page quoted above: > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg37063.html > >PEX is basically a crosslinked polyethylene and polyethylene is basically a >synthetic wax (chemically like wax) and is pretty resistant to many >chemicals and >solvents just like wax, but it is no where near as good as teflon or kynar >for >the straight sodium methoxide, sodium hydroxide. Also the standard 55 >gallon >plastic drums are made of HDPE (High Density PolyEthylene) which is what >some of >the PEX tubings are made out of (HDPE). Here is a site with some info on >PEX, >but I could not find an online chemical resistance chart for it. > >http://www.ppfahome.org/pex/faqpex.html > >Also, Nylon is probably even better than PEX. > >-Mike McGinness > >WM LUKE MATHISEN wrote: > > > I have some PEX tubing left over from plumbing our house, any one with > > experience using PEX to build a processor? Will the lye react to it? I >am > > thinking of using it to heat the processor from our tankless waterheater > > which we use to heat the floor, as well as for mixing. Also will a >washing > > machine water pump work? > > > > Luke > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy
Terry Wilhelm wrote: > Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the > rest of us support Dick *_CHENEY._* > > Terry Wilhelm I pray the gods that I'm excluded from the crowd of "us" that supports Dick Cheney! doug swanson -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy - 2
well Doug, at least you can spell if nothing elsedoug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Terry Wilhelm wrote:> Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the > rest of us support Dick *_CHENEY._* > > Terry WilhelmI pray the gods that I'm excluded from the crowd of "us" that supports Dick Cheney!doug swanson-- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less.* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software.No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein.All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]
Mike, As a foreigner and hearing Bush preparing for attacks on Iran, I sometimes have a very short moment of wishing him doing it, because it would be so stupid and probably finish him. Then I think about my American friends with my positive experiences from US and wish strongly that he would be stopped. If US attack Iran, then we would rapidly understand what the expression "the sh-t hits the fan" means. The global consequences for US would be enormously negative. Hakan At 06:16 09/04/2006, you wrote: >Reading the article discussed below is just plain scary as hell. If >it's true we >need to contact our congresspersons and senators and tell them how we feel so >that they can put a stop to this madness now before it is too late. >Since there >is an election coming up in November, something tells me if they hear from >enough of us now they will take decisive action. > >Mike McGinness > > > >Marty Phee wrote: > > > Original Message > > Subject:[IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? > > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:43:42 -0400 > > From: David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: ip@v2.listbox.com > > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > From: Tim Finin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: April 8, 2006 3:40:18 PM EDT > > To: Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? > > > > Seymour Hersh has a 6000 work article in next week's New > > Yorker on possible plans for a pre-emptive bombing strike > > against Iran including the use of nuclear weapons. While > > Hersh has not always been right in his predications, he has a > > pretty good track record on the whole. It's a good article > > and also a worrisome one. No matter what you believe of the > > wisdom of attacking Iran, if we do there are bound to be many > > more difficulties ahead before things get better. > > > > -- > > > > THE IRAN PLANS > > Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the bomb? > > Seymour M. Hersh, New yorker issue of 2006-04-17, posted 2006-04-10 > > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > > > The Bush Administration, while publicly advocating diplomacy > > in order to stop Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon, has > > increased clandestine activities inside Iran and intensified > > planning for a possible major air attack. Current and former > > American military and intelligence officials said that Air > > Force planning groups are drawing up lists of targets, and > > teams of American combat troops have been ordered into Iran, > > under cover, to collect targeting data and to establish > > contact with anti-government ethnic-minority groups. The > > officials say that President Bush is determined to deny the > > Iranian regime the opportunity to begin a pilot program, > > planned for this spring, to enrich uranium. > > ... > > A government consultant with close ties to the civilian > > leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was "absolutely > > convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb" if it is not > > stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do > > "what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, > > would have the courage to do," and "that saving Iran is going > > to be his legacy." > > > > One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive > > issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military > > planning was premised on a belief that "a sustained bombing > > campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and > > lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government." He > > added, "I was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, 'What > > are they smoking?'" > > ... > > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Gardening and Tires
Robert's posts are making me envious. The ground is still frozen here, and my short visits in the greenhouse to start tomatoes, peppers and some salad greens just aren't enough. There has been some talk on a local plant e-mail list about using tires for raised gardens. I'm tempted. I'm tired of bending over to weed, and have access to tires and compost to fill them with. Cedar planks are rather expensive hereabouts. (There will undoubtedly be issues with the local aesthetics harassment, er.. by-law enforcement patrols, but that's a separate issue.) However, there is concern about using tires for food crops due to materials that will leach from the tires (e.g., zinc). There is material at SANET and http://www.paghat.com/rubbermulch.html etc. criticizing the practice. However, most (if not all) of that is specific to use of shredded tires as mulch. I could not find anything in the biofuel archive (after an admittedly quick search). So, my questions are: Is the hazard associated with leached materials from tires sufficient to be of concern for food crops? Does it make a difference if we're talking flowers? (The soil is still what's being affected most, right?) Is the hazard using whole tires reduced relative to using shredded tires due to reduced surface area, relative amount of tire being used or other factors? Other thoughts or comments? The idea of finding a viable re-use for old tires remains attractive, but not if it introduces a new hazard. -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy
You and 18% of the country... Terry Wilhelm wrote: > Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the > rest of us support Dick *_CHENEY._* > > Terry Wilhelm > > */Mike McGinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > A friend of mine sent me this today. Thought many of you would > appreciate some of them. > And, perhaps there is hope in 2006!! I am seeing a strong > movement here in the USA to replace the republicans THIS year! > There seem to be dozens of issues getting current media attention > that are creating a huge backlash against the republicans right > now, or at least against Bush that have even the republicans > turning on him as the election approaches. The republicans that > are facing re-election to the Senate and House are distancing > themselves as much as possible from Bush and Chainey!! I am > seeing it in the news on a daily basis If the election were > held today many experts, including democrats, republicans and > pollsters, all say they believe the democrats would take over the > House and possibly the Senate. If this trend continues, then this > November's election could cripple the Bush reign of anti-terror > terror. > Mike McGinness > > >>Great Bumper Stickers for 2006 > >DEAR WORLD, WE TRIED OUR BEST >> >-- HALF OF AMERICA > >BLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT >>PATRIOTISM > >IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED, >YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION >> > >IF YOU SUPPORTED BUSH, >A YELLOW RIBBON WON'T MAKE UP FOR IT > >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; >IMPEACH BUSH > >AT LEAST IN VIETNAM, > >> BUSH HAD AN EXIT >> STRATEGY > >SEND THE TWINS > >POVERTY, HEALTHCARE & HOMELESSNESS >> ARE MORAL ISSUES > >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; >BRING THEM HOME NOW! > >> >BUSH LIED, >AND YOU KNOW IT! > >RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM: > >>A THREAT ABROAD, A THREAT AT HOME > >GOD BLESS EVERYONE >(No >> exceptions) > >BUSH SPENT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY ON HIS WAR > > >> "TIS THE TIMES PLAGUE WHEN MADMEN LEAD THE BLIND" >-- William >> Shakespeare (King Lear) > >"THEY THAT CAN GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY > >>TO OBTAIN A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY >DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR >> SAFETY" >-- Benjamin Franklin > >> >PRO AMERICA, >ANTI BUSH > >WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? > >IF >> > YOU SUPPORT BUSH'S WAR, >WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? >SHUT UP AND >> > SHIP OUT > >FEEL SAFER NOW? > >I'D RATHER HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO >> > SCREWED HIS INTERN >THAN ONE WHO SCREWED HIS COUNTRY > >JESUS >> > WAS A SOCIAL ACTIVIST LIBERAL > >MY VALUES? FREE SPEECH. EQUALITY. >> > >LIBERTY. EDUCATION. TOLERANCE > >IS IT 2008 YET? > > >> > DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM >-- Thomas Jefferson > > >> > DON'T BLAME ME. > >I VOTED AGAINST BUSH -- TWICE! > >NOBODY >> > DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED > >> >OF COURSE IT HURTS. >YOU'RE GETTING SCREWED BY AN ELEPHANT > > >> > ANNOY A CONSERVATIVE; >THINK FOR YOURSELF > >VISUALIZE >> > IMPEACHMENT > >HEY BUSH! >WHERE'S BIN LADEN? > >GEORGE W. >> > BUSH: >MAKING TERRORISTS FASTER THAN HE CAN KILL THEM > >WHERE >> > ARE WE GOING? >AND WHY ARE WE IN THIS HANDBASKET? > >KEEP YOUR >> > THEOCRACY OFF MY DEMOCRACY > >CORPORATE MEDIA: WEAPONS OF MASS >> > DECEPTION > >DON'T CONFUSE DYING FOR OIL WITH FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM >> > > >STEM CELL RESEARCH IS PRO LIFE > >HATE, GREED, IGNORANCE: > >> >WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION > >HONOR >> OUR TROOPS; >DEMAND THE TRUTH > >REBUILD IRAQ? >WHY NOT >> SPEND 87 BILLION ON AMERICA? > >FACT: BUSH OIL >1999 - $19 BARREL >> >2006 - $70 BARREL > >THE LAST TIME RELIGION CONTROLLED POLITICS, >> >PEOPLE GOT BURNED AT THE STAKE > >I'LL GIVE UP MY CHOICE WHEN >> JOHN ROBERTS GETS PREGNANT > >HOW ON EARTH CAN 59,411,287 PEOPLE BE SO >> DUMB? >> > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.
Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability
Here in New Paltz, NY, we're looking into a combination of WVO and locally grown and pressed oil. Local farmers are already planting rapeseed (canola) as a winter cover crop and plowing it under in the spring. They tell me it wouldn't be that hard to harvest the seeds first. Our village last year submitted a grant to NYS Agriculture and Markets to study the feasibility of just this, with the support of our State Senator. Jason West On Apr 9, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Michael Redler wrote: > I'm glad so see discussions about WVO (supply, sustainability and > big business) and methods for pressing your own oil. I always felt > that increasing competition for WVO in the future will make that > supply unsustainable. That along with the future availability of > methanol caused me to shift my interest to ethanol as a fuel. > > Now I'm wondering if a scheme can me developed for a crop rotation > that allows continuous alternations between oil and sugar producing > plants so that energy independence might take on a hybrid approach. > For example, safflower/sugar beets/soy/potatoes/etc, etc. This is > just an example - I'm not a farmer (yet). > > Mike > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ > biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > Jason 'If we don't do the impossible, we shall be faced with the unthinkable'." - Petra Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New EPA Rules
Hello Mike >Keith, > >Greetings from Houston Texas. Greetings from up in the mountains near Kyoto, where the plum tree's been saying for a while that it's spring and blossomed to prove it but nobody else believed it. But the first swallow just arrived five minutes ago, so that clinches it for the plum tree. I'm really pleased to see the swallow, it sure got the big hello, swooping in and out of the front porch, very happy to be here. The frogs will wake up soon, then the snakes, and then it's summer, and about time too. >I respect your opinion and point of view on the topic of >corporations, but I see >a little bit different perspective on corporations. But first let me >agree that >many large and small corporations do commit criminal acts, many of >which they get >away with, which is most unfortunate to say the least. > > > >Keith Addison wrote: > > > You can't change a corporation's mindset by education, nor by any > > means other than hurting their bottom line. > >Isn't hurting their bottom line a form of education? No, it's a form of coercion. There's more to education than coercion. >How about the fear of >hurting their bottom line or the promise of improving their bottom line? Carrots and sticks, coercion and bribery, and as I said it doesn't work without the stick. And there's more to humans than just carrots and sticks. > > The humans who work for > > them notwithstanding, corporations are not human and do not have > > human drives or instincts or inhibitions, their only drive is > > profit-growth. > >I am one man who has incorporated a one man environmental consulting >business (I >help other companies, including corporations "do what I think is the >right thing >to do, environmentally". I try and show them how to reduce their >negative impacts >on the earth. It is mostly an educational process. I feel like I >have a made a >difference educating decision makers in many for-profit and non-profit >corporations. You can have an effect, I'm sure you do, and it's most important to do. But alone it will not solve the underlying problem because it doesn't address the underlying cause. In that sense it's just amelioration, like sticking a band-aid on a cancer. That's not to say the cancer might not need sticking a band-aid on it too, as well as surgery, but the band-aid won't do the surgery. Mike, please read that carefully, I'm absolutely not knocking what you do, okay? >Isn't my corporation a reflection of me, and of my humanity? Probably, but it's hardly representative is it? You make a mistake in extending it to all corporations to show they're all human just like you are, and then, essentially, explaining away all the corporate malfeasance and destruction as unfortunate to say the least but after all to err is human. Sorry, it's a noble attempt, but it just doesn't wash. By limiting the definition this way you might manage to disappear all the trees but the forest remains. Nicely cloaked under the perfect cover, with your help - your friendly neighbourhood corporation is just as human as you are. This is exactly why corporations spend millions cultivating the image of humanness and hiding behind it. If you say they're the same as you, then how many millions is your PR budget this year Mike? Who are your lobbyists? Given any hidden funding to an astroturf group lately? Your one-man corporation is representative of you, as you say, and that's all, you can't use it as a representive example of the nature of the corporate world at large, it just doesn't fit. What do you have in common with a globally diversified conglomerate? The corollary is that if corporate malfeasance and destruction is indeed all-too-human, then, as alleged, it's just our natural human nature to be selfish, greedy, short-sighted, violent and apathetic about the harm we do in the world, no use trying to fight it, and, one more step, that we're a sort of global cancer the world would do better without. (So let's wipe out all the poor people who can't control their breeding.) It's a most convenient thing for obedient consumers to think this way, since it means they therefore need wise leaders and rulers to guide them, they're just too dumb and misbegotten to be trusted to think for themselves. (Which is what Edward Bernays said, the "Father of PR".) Of course I'm not accusing you of thinking that way, not at all, but that's the direction that insisting that corporations are human just like you and me leads us in, it's part of that framework. However, the less moulded by consumerism a society is, and the less re-engineered its opinions and what it will consent to, in other words the smaller the per capita propaganda budget, the less you encounter this idea that we're just a bunch of sociopaths at heart and a scourge of the biosphere, AND, the smaller gets the grotesquely oversized eco-footprint until, hey, it fits, and fits with room to spare. And the people have ple
Re: [Biofuel] New EPA Rules
Doesn't Detroit have a history of making tradeoffs in auto safety to save money? Ford Pinto, Explorer/Firestone and zGM side-saddle gas tanks? What was the Pinto - a 37.00 difference? Do you think Bhopal was (is) an exception? There are those who present a substantial case for the Bhopal disaster being business-as-usual, it's a symbol of our times, not an exception. There's more in the archives about that too. Union Carbide knowingly and deliberately put the lives of an entire Indian city at risk in order to save $37.68 per day. The Ford Pinto was $10 each, wasn't it? That's all history now? Dream on! Keith Addison wrote: >Hello Mike > > > >>Keith, >> >>Greetings from Houston Texas. >> >> > >Greetings from up in the mountains near Kyoto, where the plum tree's >been saying for a while that it's spring and blossomed to prove it >but nobody else believed it. But the first swallow just arrived five >minutes ago, so that clinches it for the plum tree. I'm really >pleased to see the swallow, it sure got the big hello, swooping in >and out of the front porch, very happy to be here. The frogs will >wake up soon, then the snakes, and then it's summer, and about time >too. > > > >>I respect your opinion and point of view on the topic of >>corporations, but I see >>a little bit different perspective on corporations. But first let me >>agree that >>many large and small corporations do commit criminal acts, many of >>which they get >>away with, which is most unfortunate to say the least. >> >> >> >>Keith Addison wrote: >> >> >> >>>You can't change a corporation's mindset by education, nor by any >>>means other than hurting their bottom line. >>> >>> >>Isn't hurting their bottom line a form of education? >> >> > >No, it's a form of coercion. There's more to education than coercion. > > > >>How about the fear of >>hurting their bottom line or the promise of improving their bottom line? >> >> > >Carrots and sticks, coercion and bribery, and as I said it doesn't >work without the stick. And there's more to humans than just carrots >and sticks. > > > >>>The humans who work for >>>them notwithstanding, corporations are not human and do not have >>>human drives or instincts or inhibitions, their only drive is >>>profit-growth. >>> >>> >>I am one man who has incorporated a one man environmental consulting >>business (I >>help other companies, including corporations "do what I think is the >>right thing >>to do, environmentally". I try and show them how to reduce their >>negative impacts >>on the earth. It is mostly an educational process. I feel like I >>have a made a >>difference educating decision makers in many for-profit and non-profit >>corporations. >> >> > >You can have an effect, I'm sure you do, and it's most important to >do. But alone it will not solve the underlying problem because it >doesn't address the underlying cause. In that sense it's just >amelioration, like sticking a band-aid on a cancer. That's not to say >the cancer might not need sticking a band-aid on it too, as well as >surgery, but the band-aid won't do the surgery. Mike, please read >that carefully, I'm absolutely not knocking what you do, okay? > > > >>Isn't my corporation a reflection of me, and of my humanity? >> >> > >Probably, but it's hardly representative is it? You make a mistake in >extending it to all corporations to show they're all human just like >you are, and then, essentially, explaining away all the corporate >malfeasance and destruction as unfortunate to say the least but after >all to err is human. > >Sorry, it's a noble attempt, but it just doesn't wash. By limiting >the definition this way you might manage to disappear all the trees >but the forest remains. Nicely cloaked under the perfect cover, with >your help - your friendly neighbourhood corporation is just as human >as you are. This is exactly why corporations spend millions >cultivating the image of humanness and hiding behind it. > >If you say they're the same as you, then how many millions is your PR >budget this year Mike? Who are your lobbyists? Given any hidden >funding to an astroturf group lately? > >Your one-man corporation is representative of you, as you say, and >that's all, you can't use it as a representive example of the nature >of the corporate world at large, it just doesn't fit. What do you >have in common with a globally diversified conglomerate? > >The corollary is that if corporate malfeasance and destruction is >indeed all-too-human, then, as alleged, it's just our natural human >nature to be selfish, greedy, short-sighted, violent and apathetic >about the harm we do in the world, no use trying to fight it, and, >one more step, that we're a sort of global cancer the world would do >better without. (So let's wipe out all the poor people who can't >control their breeding.) It's a most convenient thing for obedient >consumers to think this way, since i
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy
Riight...I prefer to not be in that 'us' either. If any human is pure evil, he's the one. Mike M., Please refer to this sticker for the proper spelling of the Viceroy's name: http://www.cafepress.com/misterw.25066757 On 4/9/06, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You and 18% of the country... > > > > Terry Wilhelm wrote: > > > Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the > > rest of us support Dick *_CHENEY._* > > > > Terry Wilhelm > > > > */Mike McGinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > > > A friend of mine sent me this today. Thought many of you would > > appreciate some of them. > > And, perhaps there is hope in 2006!! I am seeing a strong > > movement here in the USA to replace the republicans THIS year! > > There seem to be dozens of issues getting current media attention > > that are creating a huge backlash against the republicans right > > now, or at least against Bush that have even the republicans > > turning on him as the election approaches. The republicans that > > are facing re-election to the Senate and House are distancing > > themselves as much as possible from Bush and Chainey!! I am > > seeing it in the news on a daily basis If the election were > > held today many experts, including democrats, republicans and > > pollsters, all say they believe the democrats would take over the > > House and possibly the Senate. If this trend continues, then this > > November's election could cripple the Bush reign of anti-terror > > terror. > > Mike McGinness > > > > > >>Great Bumper Stickers for 2006 > >DEAR WORLD, WE TRIED OUR > >>BEST >-- HALF OF AMERICA > >BLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT > >>PATRIOTISM > >IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED, >YOU'RE NOT PAYING > >>ATTENTION > >IF YOU SUPPORTED BUSH, >A YELLOW RIBBON WON'T MAKE > >>UP FOR IT > >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; >IMPEACH BUSH > >AT LEAST > >>IN VIETNAM, >BUSH HAD AN EXIT > >> STRATEGY > >SEND THE TWINS > >POVERTY, HEALTHCARE & > >> HOMELESSNESS ARE MORAL ISSUES > >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; >BRING > >> THEM HOME NOW! > >BUSH LIED, >AND YOU KNOW IT! > > > >> RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM: >A THREAT ABROAD, A THREAT AT HOME > > > >> GOD BLESS EVERYONE >(No exceptions) > >BUSH SPENT YOUR SOCIAL > >> SECURITY ON HIS WAR > >"TIS THE TIMES PLAGUE WHEN MADMEN LEAD THE > >> BLIND" >-- William Shakespeare (King Lear) > >"THEY THAT CAN > >> GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY >TO OBTAIN A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY > > >> DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY" >-- Benjamin Franklin > > >> >PRO AMERICA, >ANTI BUSH > >WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? > > > >> > IF YOU SUPPORT BUSH'S WAR, >WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? >SHUT UP > >> > AND SHIP OUT > >FEEL SAFER NOW? > >I'D RATHER HAVE A > >> > PRESIDENT WHO SCREWED HIS INTERN >THAN ONE WHO SCREWED HIS COUNTRY > >> > > >JESUS WAS A SOCIAL ACTIVIST LIBERAL > >MY VALUES? FREE > >> > SPEECH. EQUALITY. >LIBERTY. EDUCATION. TOLERANCE > >IS IT > >> > 2008 YET? > >DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM >-- > >> > Thomas Jefferson > >DON'T BLAME ME. > >I VOTED AGAINST BUSH > >> > -- TWICE! > >NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED > > >> >OF COURSE IT HURTS. >YOU'RE GETTING SCREWED BY AN ELEPHANT > > > >> >ANNOY A CONSERVATIVE; >THINK FOR YOURSELF > >VISUALIZE > >> > IMPEACHMENT > >HEY BUSH! >WHERE'S BIN LADEN? > >GEORGE > >> > W. BUSH: >MAKING TERRORISTS FASTER THAN HE CAN KILL THEM > > > >> > WHERE ARE WE GOING? >AND WHY ARE WE IN THIS HANDBASKET? > > > >> > KEEP YOUR THEOCRACY OFF MY DEMOCRACY > >CORPORATE MEDIA: WEAPONS > >> > OF MASS DECEPTION > >DON'T CONFUSE DYING FOR OIL WITH FIGHTING FOR > >> > FREEDOM > >STEM CELL RESEARCH IS PRO LIFE > >HATE, GREED, > >> > IGNORANCE: >WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION > >HONOR > >> OUR TROOPS; >DEMAND THE TRUTH > >REBUILD IRAQ? >WHY NOT > >> SPEND 87 BILLION ON AMERICA? > >FACT: BUSH OIL >1999 - $19 > >> BARREL >2006 - $70 BARREL > >THE LAST TIME RELIGION CONTROLLED > >> POLITICS, >PEOPLE GOT BURNED AT THE STAKE > >I'LL GIVE UP MY > >> CHOICE WHEN JOHN ROBERTS GETS PREGNANT > >HOW ON EARTH CAN > >> 59,411,287 PEOPLE BE SO DUMB? > >> > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.o
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy
Doug, Well I am not a god, but I will be happy to exclude you from Terry's "us" below. Terry, I apologize for the error. Perhaps that was a Freudian (chains, Chainey?) slip on my part, LOL. Thanks for correcting the spelling, your right it is Dick "Cheney". Mike McGinness doug wrote: > Terry Wilhelm wrote: > > > Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the > > rest of us support Dick *_CHENEY._* > > > > Terry Wilhelm > > I pray the gods that I'm excluded from the crowd of "us" that supports Dick > Cheney! > > doug swanson > > -- > Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Proposed new EPA refinish (paint) regs - new national rule
Greetings everyone, Some what of a New topic. I just sent the email below to the TCEQ (Texas Commission on Environmental Quality) representative of the local SBAC committee (Small Business Advisory Council) which works with small businesses in Texas (including sole proprietorships) to help educate small business owners about the environmental regulations they must comply with and to involve them in the feed back process of writing new regs before they are issued since the real experts on terminology (often used in the regs) and what is and what is not practical in a particular industry, or how the industry will actually comply with a proposed new reg are those who use and make the regulated materials, and not the bureaucrats in Washington with their BS degrees in Political science. I am posting this because it gets at the heart of a topic frequently discussed here, which is the problem of big brother telling you what we can and can not do in our own back yard, i.e. making biodiesel. The current battle below is over the right to buy paint and paint solvent (which might include methanol) by individuals and even small businesses in the USA unless they have new proposed permits and license certificates / certifications, etc. Imagine having to pay for training, a license and certificate, and then a paint booth, plus air pollution control equipment (that replaces VOC's with more CO2) just to repaint a piece of lawn furniture! Beyond the issue of individual freedom this also gets at the heart of pollution control (limitations), pollution regulation, money, politics, economics, sustainable economics, power and control over others, and who gets to pollute and does not. I have no doubt this will stir much debate on both sides here, hopefully it will be a pleasant learning process for us all, Sincerely, Mike McGinness Cynthia, This looks like a topic, job, for you, me, SBAC and the TCEQ!! It could spill over into all manufacturers (paint and equipment) who do painting of any kind or make paint of any kind and even home owners or farmers just trying to paint a single bookcase, bathroom, house interior or exterior, a barn, tractor, artists painting art workand so on. I don't think these people realize what they are getting into or the widespread effects it would have. Small business owners and retailers like Home Depot, Lowes, Ace Hardware.and others should be notified of this immediately before a really bad environmental reg. gets issued and we all get forced to live with it. Also, many of their statements below and presumptions are wrong. The problem in my opinion is not a lack of regs, but a lack of enforcement. Anyone, local neighbor for instance, if they really want to, can stop local outdoor painting by making a nuisance complaint to local pollution control officials. They can stop improperly equipped, unsafe indoor painting by calling the local fire marshall. More regs are not going to solve an enforcement problem. There really is no way to police 300 million do-it-yourselfers. Also I am concerned that if we start telling 300 million US freedom loving individuals that they can not buy paint to paint personal items at home it will only further damage the currently tarnished image of the EPA. The EPA needs environmental champions, not 300 million alienated do-it-yourself individuals. I am willing to talk and write about this issue since the paint industry is one of the major areas I do consulting work in. The article and details are below. Best, Mike McGinness President EcoShield Environmental Systems, Inc. http://www.abrn.com/abrn/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=196423 Environmental Protection Agency officials are continuing their fact-finding mission this week as they march toward new regulations aimed at cutting emissions from the refinish process in collision repair facilities. EPA Environmental Protection Specialist Kim Teal outlined to Collision Industry Conference (CIC) attendees her agencys process for developing the new rules impacting the refinish market. The rule will impact everyone, no matter how much you use, Teal told the audience at the CIC meeting Tuesday in Mandalay Bay. Teal and her colleagues have been busy visiting shops and gathering data as they prepare to write a proposed rule by 2007. Full implementation of the rule is targeted for August 2011. Feedback, thus far, has helped the EPA identify a frustrated base of shop owners who are eager to put an end to unsafe and environmentally damaging painting practices performed by some shops and do-it-yourself mechanics. Primarily they want a level playing field, said Teal. Theyre getting tired of having to comply with state and local regulations when there is a shop around the corner that doesnt have to do anything. This rule will [take care of that]. And its not just shops clamoring for change. Community groups have become incredibly active in their attempts to stop their neighbors
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers
Marylynn, Hello, Nice web site. I have no doubt that US electronic elections will all eventually end up with a paper trail, and an independent startup certification test of the systems by independent means. The paper trail would be produced at and stay at the voting site to verify the electronic votes at that site. Trying to get voters to retain hard copies of there votes and get them all to surrender them for a recount will never happen. It would violate the voting privacy laws here and too many would never surrender the paper work thus affecting the final count. Election fraud is not new and will continue to be a problem. That is why we the voters must take part in the election process and in the policing of the elections. For instance, the election laws allow both parties and independents to place (I think they are called) "poll watchers" at each election site to insure that the election judges do not deny eligible registered voters the right to vote. They are also there to ensure that the vote count is accurate and not tampered with. As I said election fraud is not new. Back when Kennedy beat Nixon in 1959, Kennedy's running mate, LBJ had his friends in Texas, specifically Duval County vote all the dead people in the county cemetery, thus carrying Texas and Kennedy into office in a very close election. No Doubt the Kennedy's bought the election in Chicago (Mayor Daily as I recall) as well. They did not have electronic votes back then. I still recall that a Houston journalist went to Duval county to investigate the alleged vote fraud after the election. The Duval county coroner signed his death certificate (the journalist) showing the cause of death to be suicide. He shot himself in the back with a shot gun, twice! Voter fraud can tip the scales if the election is close, but if the election is not close and everyone gets out and votes even some election fraud will be overwhelmed by enough MAD as HELL voters who have had enough and decide to go cast their votes. Gerrymandering is also a favorite way to rig the vote by incumbents. And the latest gerrymandering here in Texas has just been overturned by a court!! Sometimes we win!! But if enough people are fed up with Bush and they vote for the other people, all the gerrymandering in the world won't help them this time. Republicans are usually elected when the voting is light, i.e. poor turn out by the rest of the voters when they get too apathetic about the election process, the issues and whether or not they think it really makes any difference who gets elected. The next 2 elections here in the USA could determine the future of life on this planet and our survival. If we do not vote then we have no one to blame but ourselves. If we all vote and the polls show a landslide for democrats and independents and electronic votes show otherwise then the public outcry will be loud and will be heard. The close election in Ohio, and the Ohio polls, 2 years ago were too close to prove election fraud to enough of the public. However, we and the press are going to keep a much closer eye on this election. Also, if there is fraud maybe someone on the inside will get fed up and spill the beans to press. So get out and vote this time! Make a difference! Be a poll watcher in your local election, it is a volunteer thing! Join a local voters rights activist group. Best, Mike McGinness Marylynn Schmidt wrote: > Just my opinion .. nothing more > > If the ballet system doesn't include a write-in and ALSO A PAPER TRAIL I > wouldn't trust it .. I'm hearing .. and believing a lot of information about > electronic ballet systems that can be tampered with .. as if they haven't > "been" there and done "that".. (as in tampered). > > As if loads of people are going back and handing in their paper receipts of > their individual elected choices .. it's hard enough to get them to come out > and vote!! > > This particular governing system has been in office enough time to have > influenced .. and/or .. sorry .. (stronger words) .. to have corrupted the > whole system. > > .. we are .. in general .. totally ignorant of technology .. > > sorry but I just had my computer .. taken out and cleaned .. uggh .. can't > find anything .. and I know I'm not unique in this arena. > > I read somewhere .. perhaps this list .. that we, as American citizens could > not pass judgment against the citizens of pre-war Germany as the Nazi's were > taking control. > > .. I do feel a camaraderie with those individuals who .. perhaps .. stood > against what was happening with their country. > > My little "spit" into the darkness .. please check out our new website: > http://allcreatureconnections.org > > Mary Lynn > Mary Lynn Schmidt > ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART > TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained > Minister . > Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . > Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel > The Animal Connection H
Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]
Hakan, Agreed. The sh-t would hit the fan. Hopefully enough reason and sanity will eventually prevail like it did during the cold war (we survived it somehow). Of course it may have been MAD (a form of insanity called Mutually Assured Destruction, the idea that no one wins, except by not fighting or starting a nuclear war), that actually saved us during the cold war. What I find to be so ludicrous (silly, ridiculous) is that if IRAN really wanted to Nuke Israel or the USA they would not need a real nuclear weapon, and they would have done it already with a dirty nuclear weapon since they already have nuclear power plants with uranium. I suspect they have not done so, even if they wanted to, because they know if they did the US or Israel would level Iran in retaliation, probably with nukes. The really scary part, I fear, is that even if the US does back down, Israel will still not allow Iran to make nuclear bombs and therefore will not back down. So, anyway you look at it, if Iran does not back off on the nuclear issue we will all be in deep sh-t. What also concerns me is that if the US attacks Iran, North Korea will probably freak out and go nuts since they would believe they were next. I have heard no mention of this yet in the news. Let's all pray that reason and sanity prevail once again. Best wishes for world peace, Mike McGinness Hakan Falk wrote: > Mike, > > As a foreigner and hearing Bush preparing for attacks on Iran, I > sometimes have a very short moment of wishing him doing it, because > it would be so stupid and probably finish him. Then I think about my > American friends with my positive experiences from US and wish > strongly that he would be stopped. If US attack Iran, then we would > rapidly understand what the expression "the sh-t hits the fan" means. > The global consequences for US would be enormously negative. > > Hakan > > At 06:16 09/04/2006, you wrote: > >Reading the article discussed below is just plain scary as hell. If > >it's true we > >need to contact our congresspersons and senators and tell them how we feel so > >that they can put a stop to this madness now before it is too late. > >Since there > >is an election coming up in November, something tells me if they hear from > >enough of us now they will take decisive action. > > > >Mike McGinness > > > > > > > >Marty Phee wrote: > > > > > Original Message > > > Subject:[IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? > > > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:43:42 -0400 > > > From: David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To: ip@v2.listbox.com > > > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > From: Tim Finin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: April 8, 2006 3:40:18 PM EDT > > > To: Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? > > > > > > Seymour Hersh has a 6000 work article in next week's New > > > Yorker on possible plans for a pre-emptive bombing strike > > > against Iran including the use of nuclear weapons. While > > > Hersh has not always been right in his predications, he has a > > > pretty good track record on the whole. It's a good article > > > and also a worrisome one. No matter what you believe of the > > > wisdom of attacking Iran, if we do there are bound to be many > > > more difficulties ahead before things get better. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > THE IRAN PLANS > > > Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the bomb? > > > Seymour M. Hersh, New yorker issue of 2006-04-17, posted 2006-04-10 > > > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > > > > > The Bush Administration, while publicly advocating diplomacy > > > in order to stop Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon, has > > > increased clandestine activities inside Iran and intensified > > > planning for a possible major air attack. Current and former > > > American military and intelligence officials said that Air > > > Force planning groups are drawing up lists of targets, and > > > teams of American combat troops have been ordered into Iran, > > > under cover, to collect targeting data and to establish > > > contact with anti-government ethnic-minority groups. The > > > officials say that President Bush is determined to deny the > > > Iranian regime the opportunity to begin a pilot program, > > > planned for this spring, to enrich uranium. > > > ... > > > A government consultant with close ties to the civilian > > > leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was "absolutely > > > convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb" if it is not > > > stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do > > > "what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, > > > would have the courage to do," and "that saving Iran is going > > > to be his legacy." > > > > > > One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive > > > issues for the Bush Administration, told me that
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy
"Us" I take it to be the self-lobotomized?On 10Apr, 2006, at 12:38 AM, doug wrote:I pray the gods that I'm excluded from the crowd of "us" that supports Dick Cheney! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy
I'd tend to believe that the word "support" is enormous overkill, especially when it's an all incluive "rest of us." Todd Swearingen Terry Wilhelm wrote: > Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the > rest of us support Dick *_CHENEY._* > > Terry Wilhelm > > */Mike McGinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > A friend of mine sent me this today. Thought many of you would > appreciate some of them. > And, perhaps there is hope in 2006!! I am seeing a strong > movement here in the USA to replace the republicans THIS year! > There seem to be dozens of issues getting current media attention > that are creating a huge backlash against the republicans right > now, or at least against Bush that have even the republicans > turning on him as the election approaches. The republicans that > are facing re-election to the Senate and House are distancing > themselves as much as possible from Bush and Chainey!! I am > seeing it in the news on a daily basis If the election were > held today many experts, including democrats, republicans and > pollsters, all say they believe the democrats would take over the > House and possibly the Senate. If this trend continues, then this > November's election could cripple the Bush reign of anti-terror > terror. > Mike McGinness > > >>Great Bumper Stickers for 2006 > >DEAR WORLD, WE TRIED OUR BEST >> >-- HALF OF AMERICA > >BLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT >>PATRIOTISM > >IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED, >YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION >> > >IF YOU SUPPORTED BUSH, >A YELLOW RIBBON WON'T MAKE UP FOR IT > >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; >IMPEACH BUSH > >AT LEAST IN VIETNAM, > >> BUSH HAD AN EXIT >> STRATEGY > >SEND THE TWINS > >POVERTY, HEALTHCARE & HOMELESSNESS >> ARE MORAL ISSUES > >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; >BRING THEM HOME NOW! > >> >BUSH LIED, >AND YOU KNOW IT! > >RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM: > >>A THREAT ABROAD, A THREAT AT HOME > >GOD BLESS EVERYONE >(No >> exceptions) > >BUSH SPENT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY ON HIS WAR > > >> "TIS THE TIMES PLAGUE WHEN MADMEN LEAD THE BLIND" >-- William >> Shakespeare (King Lear) > >"THEY THAT CAN GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY > >>TO OBTAIN A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY >DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR >> SAFETY" >-- Benjamin Franklin > >> >PRO AMERICA, >ANTI BUSH > >WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? > >IF >> > YOU SUPPORT BUSH'S WAR, >WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? >SHUT UP AND >> > SHIP OUT > >FEEL SAFER NOW? > >I'D RATHER HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO >> > SCREWED HIS INTERN >THAN ONE WHO SCREWED HIS COUNTRY > >JESUS >> > WAS A SOCIAL ACTIVIST LIBERAL > >MY VALUES? FREE SPEECH. EQUALITY. >> > >LIBERTY. EDUCATION. TOLERANCE > >IS IT 2008 YET? > > >> > DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM >-- Thomas Jefferson > > >> > DON'T BLAME ME. > >I VOTED AGAINST BUSH -- TWICE! > >NOBODY >> > DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED > >> >OF COURSE IT HURTS. >YOU'RE GETTING SCREWED BY AN ELEPHANT > > >> > ANNOY A CONSERVATIVE; >THINK FOR YOURSELF > >VISUALIZE >> > IMPEACHMENT > >HEY BUSH! >WHERE'S BIN LADEN? > >GEORGE W. >> > BUSH: >MAKING TERRORISTS FASTER THAN HE CAN KILL THEM > >WHERE >> > ARE WE GOING? >AND WHY ARE WE IN THIS HANDBASKET? > >KEEP YOUR >> > THEOCRACY OFF MY DEMOCRACY > >CORPORATE MEDIA: WEAPONS OF MASS >> > DECEPTION > >DON'T CONFUSE DYING FOR OIL WITH FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM >> > > >STEM CELL RESEARCH IS PRO LIFE > >HATE, GREED, IGNORANCE: > >> >WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION > >HONOR >> OUR TROOPS; >DEMAND THE TRUTH > >REBUILD IRAQ? >WHY NOT >> SPEND 87 BILLION ON AMERICA? > >FACT: BUSH OIL >1999 - $19 BARREL >> >2006 - $70 BARREL > >THE LAST TIME RELIGION CONTROLLED POLITICS, >> >PEOPLE GOT BURNED AT THE STAKE > >I'LL GIVE UP MY CHOICE WHEN >> JOHN ROBERTS GETS PREGNANT > >HOW ON EARTH CAN 59,411,287 PEOPLE BE SO >> DUMB? >> > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/b
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: More Gardening News
wow, i was born there,and i didnt think anyone knew about us. the only national recognition i ever heard was about a murder. and yeah ive often thought of buying one of the trashier houses up on the hill and fixing it, but a lot of them have been placed on the national registry and are being redone now. oh BTW the Villa de Chantal in rock island burned to the ground about a month after we had our wedding reception there. - Original Message - From: Gary L. Green To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: More Gardening News Little known? Only by 30% of the chiropractors on the planet. Davenport is the home to the Palmer College of Chiropractic. I lived there from 91 - 93. Not a bad little place. Very strange to see these mansions standing in the ghetto areas. Huge homes you can't give away in certain areas. In other areas they've been redone and a just gorgeous. Lot's of good bike riding. Wineries, lots of stuff if you know where to look. I enjoyed my time there. On 09Apr, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Jason & Katie wrote: a little-known place called the quad cities. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/305 - Release Date: 4/8/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability
i was looking through the archives trying to find something about that earlier. can you use the cake from an oil press as stock for ethanol, or has it been made unusable in this respect? i am fairly sure you can digest and subdivide it, but if it could be taken that one step further, it might be a more efficient process. - Original Message - From: Michael Redler To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability I'm glad so see discussions about WVO (supply, sustainability and big business) and methods for pressing your own oil. I always felt that increasing competition for WVO in the future will make that supply unsustainable. That along with the future availability of methanol caused me to shift my interest to ethanol as a fuel. Now I'm wondering if a scheme can me developed for a crop rotation that allows continuous alternations between oil and sugar producing plants so that energy independence might take on a hybrid approach. For example, safflower/sugar beets/soy/potatoes/etc, etc. This is just an example - I'm not a farmer (yet). Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/305 - Release Date: 4/8/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lyingabout 9/11
Another unanswered question: why were the massive steel beams quickly gathered up and ship off for scrap? Is it because the beams might've shown that they were torn apart by massive explosive charges? BTW, it's believed that the charges were set off just as the floor above was just about to hit the floor below. Then this sequence was repeated all the way down to the last floor. Doing this would create the nice domino effect and make it appear that each floor was being crushed by the weight of the floors above. It would make a free fall effect and not cause the building to go beyond its footprint. Remember how quickly the towers collapsed? In 15 seconds the entire tower was down after the intitial charges were set off. They fell down at free fall velocity, or close to it. I believe there were puffs of smoke that appeared just as the collapse began. And yep, Building 7, never hit, did go down in the free fall way, right into its footprint. If you have ever seen demolition of tall buildings, this is how the pros do it. Those charges were pre-set by people who were not amateurs. The sequential timing of the charges was perfect. All three buildings fell exactly in the same way. Peace, D. Mindock > And the towers were designed for impact by large aircraft. > I read an interview with the architect - he said the buildings were > designed to withstand a hot from the planes of the time the towers were > built; these planes were smaller and carried > less fuel. In typical list fashion, I don't rememebr the source, but I > think it was The New Yorker. > > Mike McGinness wrote: > >> "D. Mindock" wrote: >> >>> Mike,You are overlooking that Building 7, not hit by any plane, >>> collapsed in the same controlled manner as the towers. >> >> OK, I will have to read up on building 7. >> >> >>> Also the momentum energy of the planes would've been spread over a >>> couple hundred feet. The stoppage wasnot instantaneous. >>> >>> >> >> I would somewhat disagree on this point as the nose of the plane would >> have hit first and focused the most intense "Impulse" force in the >> first second of impact. I agree that not all the energy was released >> in the first second, perhaps spread out over 4 to 5 seconds and spread >> out further as the wings hit, but still I would expect at least 50% of >> the energy to have converted to heat in a focused area between the >> nose of the plane and the part of the building that the nose hit in >> the first 1 to 2 seconds. That would be quite significant. >> >>> >>> >>> And the towers were designed for impact by large aircraft. >>> >>> >>> >> OK, I will take your word for it. But have those designs ever been >> real world tested? >> >>> >>> >>> Any onboard oxygen, if released, would have been used up in a second. >>> Large steel columns have considerable thermal capacity and conduct >>> heat effectively, spreading it out. No building with a steel frame >>> has ever collapsed, before or since 9/11, from fires, some of which >>> were more intense and lasted much longer than the ones in the towers, >>> which were relatively short lived and not hot enough to melt steel. >>> >>> >>> >> OK, but intense heat in that one second would not have had time to >> flow and dissipate through the steel. Also, steel does not have a >> large heat capacity like water, it does however have a high thermal >> conductivity rate, but a rapid instantaneous localized burst of >> intense heat from the aircraft impact plus the explosion would rapidly >> heat the local, exposed column(s) causing rapid expansion of that part >> of the column(s) resulting in changes in the steel's properties >> (strength) and causing structural damage due to the sheer forces >> involved. Imagine four corner columns heated unequally (one severely, >> two only slightly, and the fourth on the far corner not all) with one >> expanding rapidly in a few seconds while the others did not. Picture >> the instantaneous sheer forces involved. A regular building fire would >> be slower, less intense and would be thermally spread out as you suggest. >> >> In my opinion (which may be wrong) melting steel is not required to >> cause the collapse. Sheer force damage to one corner column should >> have been enough to create the needed instabilities to lead to the >> collapse. Also, to my knowledge this is the first time a large >> commercial airliner of this size has flown into a building like this >> at full speed? Therefore we have no real experience with this type of >> building damage and fire? Right? >> >>> >>> >>> There are a plethora of unanswered questions, if we wish assume the >>> official government line.See: >>> http://www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=archive_by_topic Lots of more >>> info to mull over. >>> >>> >>> >> Thanks for the feedback, I will look them over. I also still wonder >> how, if there were explosives in the building, how they avoided being >> triggered by the impact, explosion and fire from the plane's impact? >>
Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]
Thought his legacy was already established well within the family? How can so many be wrong? No body takes voting seriously, the majority it would appear sleeps on. www.conspiracyplanet.com > http://educate-yourself.org/cn/criminalsinaction29jun04.shtml Doug. - Original Message - From: "Jason & Katie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?] > >"Saving Iran is going > > to be his legacy." > I seem to remember hearing that before "Our thousand year legacy...The > Third Reich shall save the world from impurity." problem is, it only lasted > about 15 and then they got some severe smackdown handed to them.I'm glad I > live in the middle of nowhere...I get the feeling that Iraq was our Poland. > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is > believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Gardening and Tires
Hi Darryl I think your caution is well-founded. Tyres were discussed on one of the organic lists a while back and rejected because of cadmium leaching. I'll try to find the details, but maybe I won't get that far. Maybe they're okay for flowers, but do you want to have to segregate bits of your garden that could be poisoned? Not that it's not already poisoned, but there are degrees. America discards 270 million tyres a year. One each. Californians throw away 33 million tyres a year, which "tremendously outstrips" the demand for recycled rubber. Only 12 million to 18 million of those are recycled, leaving the rest to clog landfills or stand in massive piles that are fire hazards (and leach). That doesn't make sense, eh? Somebody has to be looking at their bottom line instead of the recycling imperative (let alone the reduce imperative). Something else that comes to mind is that a lot of natural gas is used to make carbon black, most of which is used to dye tyres. In the circumstances that's nuts. Pity tyre containers are a no-no for plants. We use permanent raised beds in the vegetable garden. We're starting to give them wooden sides, 12-15" high. It's a bit of a job but it works really well in several ways. Chipped sticks and other rough brown stuff in the paths between with a thin layer of manure underneath, which brings the worms while the woodchips prevent too much soil compaction when you walk on it. Eventually the roots grow under the paths too. But there's a major annoyance with this. For the wood we're using discarded container pallets, of which there's an endless supply, which is annoying in itself since they really shouldn't exist, but nearly all of them are made of fine mahogany and other tropical hardwoods. This is atrocious. It's excellent wood, I really hate doing this with it but we can't find any more deserving use for it than the beds, along with several big compost boxes, some slatted pathways, a floor to keep manure bags and so on off the ground and dry before it's used, all stuff you should use junk wood for, not mahogany. But at least we're using it. In the US: "In 1999, for instance, 7.5 million tons of wooden pallets went into the solid waste stream, accounting for over 60 percent of all wood waste." And: "There are an estimated 6 hardwood palletts in landfill for every resident of the US." What the hell is wood waste?? Which gets landfilled, sheesh. "During 1991, Ohio produced about 32 million pallets. Hardwoods make up 72 percent of the total production, softwood 15% and mixed 13%. One-third of the pallets were constructed for reuse and two-thirds of the pallets were one-way, or disposable pallets. Only 7.5 million pallets were repaired or recycled. The study estimates that disposing wood from pallets into landfills claims the equivalent of the saw timber on more than 18,000 Ohio acres each year. Eventually, a substantial quantity of wood pallets enter landfills, thus rendering this valuable resource useless." http://www.epa.state.oh.us/opp/recyc/pallet3.html Pallet Management Guide :-( Anyway Darryll I guess you'd be just as righteous using pallets as tyres. I haven't seen any pressure-treated pallets, which would leach arsenic. What a world! Best Keith >Robert's posts are making me envious. The ground is still frozen here, >and my short visits in the greenhouse to start tomatoes, peppers and >some salad greens just aren't enough. > >There has been some talk on a local plant e-mail list about using tires >for raised gardens. I'm tempted. I'm tired of bending over to weed, >and have access to tires and compost to fill them with. Cedar planks >are rather expensive hereabouts. (There will undoubtedly be issues with >the local aesthetics harassment, er.. by-law enforcement patrols, but >that's a separate issue.) > >However, there is concern about using tires for food crops due to >materials that will leach from the tires (e.g., zinc). There is >material at SANET and http://www.paghat.com/rubbermulch.html etc. >criticizing the practice. However, most (if not all) of that is >specific to use of shredded tires as mulch. I could not find anything >in the biofuel archive (after an admittedly quick search). > >So, my questions are: > >Is the hazard associated with leached materials from tires sufficient to >be of concern for food crops? Does it make a difference if we're >talking flowers? (The soil is still what's being affected most, right?) > >Is the hazard using whole tires reduced relative to using shredded tires >due to reduced surface area, relative amount of tire being used or other >factors? > >Other thoughts or comments? The idea of finding a viable re-use for old >tires remains attractive, but not if it introduces a new hazard. > >-- >Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com >It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing lis
Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability
>I'm glad so see discussions about WVO (supply, sustainability and >big business) and methods for pressing your own oil. I always felt >that increasing competition for WVO in the future will make that >supply unsustainable. That along with the future availability of >methanol caused me to shift my interest to ethanol as a fuel. > >Now I'm wondering if a scheme can me developed for a crop rotation >that allows continuous alternations between oil and sugar producing >plants so that energy independence might take on a hybrid approach. >For example, safflower/sugar beets/soy/potatoes/etc, etc. This is >just an example - I'm not a farmer (yet). An interesting "yet" Mike. :-) With real farming, what Andres Yver called farming the cheap and easy way, for which please see the Small Farms Library at Journey to Forever, the possibilities for this kind of production are truly endless. Beyond that, a great deal of biofuel feedstock can be produced as by-product or co-product, in other words for free. Here's Andres's post: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg56038.html Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming Best Keith >Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers
Mike, forget about tinkering with the voting system, it's not going to help. >Sometimes we win!! But if enough people are fed up with Bush and they vote >for the other people, all the gerrymandering in the world won't help them this >time. WHAT other people? You mean the other Business Party? Why don't you listen to Bin Laden? He quoted Bill Blum at you recently. This is what Blum says: "If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize to all the widows and orphans, the tortured and impoverished, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then I would announce, in all sincerity, to every corner of the world, that America's global interventions have come to an end, and inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the USA but now -- oddly enough -- a foreign country. I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims. There would be more than enough money. One year's military budget of 330 billion dollars is equal to more than $18,000 an hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born. That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated." That's it, get it done, deal with the assassin problem first. Votes, good grief. Fool me three times? Or is it 43 times? Best Keith >Marylynn, > >Hello, > >Nice web site. > >I have no doubt that US electronic elections will all eventually end up with a >paper trail, and an independent startup certification test of the systems by >independent means. The paper trail would be produced at and stay at the voting >site to verify the electronic votes at that site. Trying to get >voters to retain >hard copies of there votes and get them all to surrender them for a >recount will >never happen. It would violate the voting privacy laws here and too many would >never surrender the paper work thus affecting the final count. > >Election fraud is not new and will continue to be a problem. That is >why we the >voters must take part in the election process and in the policing of the >elections. For instance, the election laws allow both parties and >independents to >place (I think they are called) "poll watchers" at each election >site to insure >that the election judges do not deny eligible registered voters the right to >vote. They are also there to ensure that the vote count is accurate and not >tampered with. > >As I said election fraud is not new. Back when Kennedy beat Nixon in 1959, >Kennedy's running mate, LBJ had his friends in Texas, specifically >Duval County >vote all the dead people in the county cemetery, thus carrying Texas >and Kennedy >into office in a very close election. No Doubt the Kennedy's bought >the election >in Chicago (Mayor Daily as I recall) as well. They did not have >electronic votes >back then. I still recall that a Houston journalist went to Duval county to >investigate the alleged vote fraud after the election. The Duval >county coroner >signed his death certificate (the journalist) showing the cause of >death to be >suicide. He shot himself in the back with a shot gun, twice! > >Voter fraud can tip the scales if the election is close, but if the >election is >not close and everyone gets out and votes even some election fraud will be >overwhelmed by enough MAD as HELL voters who have had enough and decide to go >cast their votes. > >Gerrymandering is also a favorite way to rig the vote by incumbents. And the >latest gerrymandering here in Texas has just been overturned by a court!! >Sometimes we win!! But if enough people are fed up with Bush and they vote >for the other people, all the gerrymandering in the world won't help them this >time. > >Republicans are usually elected when the voting is light, i.e. poor >turn out by >the rest of the voters when they get too apathetic about the election process, >the issues and whether or not they think it really makes any >difference who gets >elected. > >The next 2 elections here in the USA could determine the future of >life on this >planet and our survival. If we do not vote then we have no one to blame but >ourselves. > >If we all vote and the polls show a landslide for democrats and >independents and >electronic votes show otherwise then the public outcry will be loud >and will be >heard. The close election in Ohio, and the Ohio polls, 2 years ago >were too close >to prove election fraud to enough of the public. However, we and the press are >going to keep a much closer eye on this election. Also, if there is >fraud maybe >someone on the inside will get fed up and spill the beans to press. > >So get out and vote this time! Make a difference! Be a poll watcher >in your local >election, it is a volunteer thing! Join a local voters rights activist group. > >Best, > >Mike McGinness > >Marylynn Schmidt wrote: > > > Just my opinion .. n
Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]
I've been posting stuff on this here for months, so have a few others, very few people have taken any notice. It is utterly unbelievable that Americans, only now so belatedly waking up with growing fury at how they were lied to and manipulated on the road to the Iraq debacle are actually swallowing the exact same set of lies and manipulations in order to do the same or worse in Iran. What the hell is the matter with you people??? What are you going to do about it? Vote??? Good God, WAKE UP!!! Stop it happening! Now! Damn, thank heavens for Seymour Hersh. "Hopefully" you say Mike: >Let's all pray that reason and sanity prevail once again. > >Best wishes for world peace, With all due respect it'll take a little more than hopes prayers and wishes. Do it! Put a stop to your mad dogs. Keith >Hakan, > >Agreed. The sh-t would hit the fan. Hopefully enough reason and sanity will >eventually prevail like it did during the cold war (we survived it >somehow). Of >course it may have been MAD (a form of insanity called Mutually Assured >Destruction, the idea that no one wins, except by not fighting or starting a >nuclear war), that actually saved us during the cold war. > >What I find to be so ludicrous (silly, ridiculous) is that if IRAN >really wanted >to Nuke Israel or the USA they would not need a real nuclear weapon, and they >would have done it already with a dirty nuclear weapon since they already have >nuclear power plants with uranium. > >I suspect they have not done so, even if they wanted to, because >they know if they >did the US or Israel would level Iran in retaliation, probably with nukes. > >The really scary part, I fear, is that even if the US does back >down, Israel will >still not allow Iran to make nuclear bombs and therefore will not >back down. So, >anyway you look at it, if Iran does not back off on the nuclear >issue we will all >be in deep sh-t. > >What also concerns me is that if the US attacks Iran, North Korea >will probably >freak out and go nuts since they would believe they were next. I have heard no >mention of this yet in the news. > >Let's all pray that reason and sanity prevail once again. > >Best wishes for world peace, > >Mike McGinness > >Hakan Falk wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > As a foreigner and hearing Bush preparing for attacks on Iran, I > > sometimes have a very short moment of wishing him doing it, because > > it would be so stupid and probably finish him. Then I think about my > > American friends with my positive experiences from US and wish > > strongly that he would be stopped. If US attack Iran, then we would > > rapidly understand what the expression "the sh-t hits the fan" means. > > The global consequences for US would be enormously negative. > > > > Hakan > > > > At 06:16 09/04/2006, you wrote: > > >Reading the article discussed below is just plain scary as hell. If > > >it's true we > > >need to contact our congresspersons and senators and tell them >how we feel so > > >that they can put a stop to this madness now before it is too late. > > >Since there > > >is an election coming up in November, something tells me if >they hear from > > >enough of us now they will take decisive action. > > > > > >Mike McGinness > > > > > > > > > > > >Marty Phee wrote: > > > > > > > Original Message > > > > Subject:[IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? > > > > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:43:42 -0400 > > > > From: David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To: ip@v2.listbox.com > > > > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > From: Tim Finin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Date: April 8, 2006 3:40:18 PM EDT > > > > To: Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Subject: Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? > > > > > > > > Seymour Hersh has a 6000 work article in next week's New > > > > Yorker on possible plans for a pre-emptive bombing strike > > > > against Iran including the use of nuclear weapons. While > > > > Hersh has not always been right in his predications, he has a > > > > pretty good track record on the whole. It's a good article > > > > and also a worrisome one. No matter what you believe of the > > > > wisdom of attacking Iran, if we do there are bound to be many > > > > more difficulties ahead before things get better. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > THE IRAN PLANS > > > > Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the bomb? > > > > Seymour M. Hersh, New yorker issue of 2006-04-17, posted 2006-04-10 > > > > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > > > > > > > The Bush Administration, while publicly advocating diplomacy > > > > in order to stop Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon, has > > > > increased clandestine activities inside Iran and intensified > > > > planning for a possible major air attack. Current and former > > > > American military and intelligence officials said that Air >
Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officialsoflyingabout 9/11
A very quick check on the ground would dispel/raise thoughts. 1/ If more than 200 people that were regular workers in the towers and had never had a day off sick etc for this particular day stayed home for any reason. On past records they would never and had never had a day off etc? 2/ Was there any change in addresses such as one of the two big auto makers (General) or oil Co vacated the address within a week or so of the event. 3/ Who took holidays that day of that week that would normally never take holidays at that time of year. IRS/Postal services as well as many others would have the records of movements, also the employers records would show any discrepancies in activity by the occupants of the towers. A very small percentage of uncommon/unusual behavioral attitudes/patterns of residence would be enough to convince. The WH has so many leaks that some would have phoned friends to stop them going to work that day. Too many people involved to stop a friend/relative saving another? Have been in an earth quake, out in the open on rolling hills with a tree line about a mile away. The sound is heard first like rolling thunder, the sound gets louder, then it is possible to see the hills undulating as the earth moves. The trees sway as the wave moves on. then the ground shakes under me and then the rolling wave continues on. If I hammer on my work bench and have an object standing upright it will fall over. The towers collapse and B7 could be the knock-on effect of the plate that is supporting all the buildings, just B7 was in the wrong place. Google collapsed buildings, seems there are many that just fall down due to hidden faults that have been overlooked such as the design forgot to add the "dead weight" and only used the "live weight" in calculating the stress and load capacities. This building collapsed as well. Aircraft oxy tanks are very thin skinned to save weight and are ribbed for strength. They go bang on heating. Also do not forget the amount of wind blowing that time of the day at that height. Doug - Original Message - From: "Mike McGinness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officialsoflyingabout 9/11 > Hakan, > > Great, Thanks! If we can come up with an O2 flow rate needed per person we could do some calcs and what-if-ing. Also, I know a few pilots here, I will ask > them if they know how big the supply is? > > Mike McGinness > > Hakan Falk wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > If it follows the rules for the pilots, it should be enough for 30 > > minutes. The rules say that over a certain level it must be 30 > > minutes for the pilots and over next specified level also for the > > passengers. It is a lot of oxygen. > > > > Hakan > > > > At 08:56 08/04/2006, you wrote: > > >This is an open question with some new thoughts regarding this topic. > > > > > >I was flying today and just before take off the stewardess was going > > >through the emergency details and when she got to the breathing > > >oxygen part I though of this recent discussion. It dawned on me that > > >there is some oxygen onboard these planes for emergency breathing > > >use in case the plane is depressurized. > > > > > >So now, the question is how much oxygen do they keep on board, and > > >how much, if any effect would it have had on the temperature of the > > >fire once released? Does anyone know? > > > > > >Also, I got to wondering if anyone ever calculated the momentum > > >(mass of the plane times the velocity) of the plane and the > > >instantaneous force of impact as the momentum of the plane went to > > >zero and how much heat that released on impact as the momentum was > > >converted to pure heat energy (it must have been huge), not to > > >mention the mechanical structural damage effects of that energy > > >transfer from the impact made on the building. > > > > > >Although I am not a civil engineer, I know that these buildings are > > >generally designed to handle a wind load of say 125 mph of wind, or > > >air before something starts to give (like the windows at least). > > >However, they are not designed, or even modeled for impacts by XXX > > >tons of an airliner moving at several hundred miles per hour with > > >all the force of impact being concentrated on one small area, or > > >corner of one to two floors of the building. > > > > > >I agree with Doug's comments below about a bounce effect (and any > > >oscillation it caused) plus the changes in the properties of the > > >metals and alloys when exposed to the heat. They must have been > > >major factors in the collapse. > > > > > >Lastly, if there were charges then why didn't the fire set them off > > >right away and collapse the buildings immediately? > > > > > >Mike McGinness > > > > > >lres1 wrote: > > >>Just a note, not from an expert. Steel cutting torches operate at a > > >>temperature that burns the steel and turns the waste into slag. A > > >>lot of small bra
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy - 2
>well Doug, at least you can spell if nothing else Well, Terry, actually the list doesn't allow gratuitous insults. Unless you can spell out just why you think Doug is not capable of anything else you should apologise to him. It seems that like most of us here he's able to figure it out for himself when a slimebag like Dick Chainey leads his gullible and somnambulistic nation on a path of oppression, corruption, aggression and destruction based on manufactured fear and an unending succession of totally obvious lies, raping just about every true American value in the doing and turning the US into the world's most hated nation. That's apparently more than can be said for you. Since you're oblivious to anything else why don't you try reading bumper stickers? Chainey? Sure, why not - he should have had the chain pulled on him back in Ford's day, though the toilet is hardly the place for hazardous toxic wastes. The toilet of history doesn't mind though. But Cheney won't be so lucky, history will not be so kind as to let him off with mere oblivion. He has to stand trial as a war criminal first, for starters. History won't be kind to those who supported him either. Best Keith >doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Terry Wilhelm wrote: > > > Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the > > rest of us support Dick *_CHENEY._* > > > > Terry Wilhelm > >I pray the gods that I'm excluded from the crowd of "us" that >supports Dick Cheney! > >doug swanson > >-- >Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers
If only we could get rid of those blankety blank touchscreen machines made by Diebold, ES&S, et. al! Or at least retrofit them with a voter verifiable paper audit trail printed in non-disappearing ink. Voters have to know that their vote won't be switched over to someone else. Where I vote they use ballot scanners which I understand are pretty reliable. Anyway, remember that Kerry should have resoundingly won in Ohio but through the miracle of the digital age, Dubya go the nod. Of course since our candidates are chosen by the moneyed few we end up people like Hillary & Kerry who are willing to do corporate bidding. We always end up voting for the one that we hope will do the least damage. Real progressive Democrats have a tough row to hoe. Campaign financing has to be taken out of the hands of Big Biz altogether if we're ever to have real candidates. We will get more Dubya's if we don't get real campaign financing reform. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Mike McGinness To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers A friend of mine sent me this today. Thought many of you would appreciate some of them. And, perhaps there is hope in 2006!! I am seeing a strong movement here in the USA to replace the republicans THIS year! There seem to be dozens of issues getting current media attention that are creating a huge backlash against the republicans right now, or at least against Bush that have even the republicans turning on him as the election approaches. The republicans that are facing re-election to the Senate and House are distancing themselves as much as possible from Bush and Chainey!! I am seeing it in the news on a daily basis If the election were held today many experts, including democrats, republicans and pollsters, all say they believe the democrats would take over the House and possibly the Senate. If this trend continues, then this November's election could cripple the Bush reign of anti-terror terror. Mike McGinness Great Bumper Stickers for 2006 > > DEAR WORLD, WE TRIED OUR BEST > -- HALF OF AMERICA > > BLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT PATRIOTISM > > IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED, > YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION > > IF YOU SUPPORTED BUSH, > A YELLOW RIBBON WON'T MAKE UP FOR IT > > SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; > IMPEACH BUSH > > AT LEAST IN VIETNAM, > BUSH HAD AN EXIT STRATEGY > > SEND THE TWINS > > POVERTY, HEALTHCARE & HOMELESSNESS ARE MORAL ISSUES > > SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; > BRING THEM HOME NOW! > > BUSH LIED, > AND YOU KNOW IT! > > RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM: > A THREAT ABROAD, A THREAT AT HOME > > GOD BLESS EVERYONE > (No exceptions) > > BUSH SPENT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY ON HIS WAR > > "TIS THE TIMES PLAGUE WHEN MADMEN LEAD THE BLIND" > -- William Shakespeare (King Lear) > > "THEY THAT CAN GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY > TO OBTAIN A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY > DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY" > -- Benjamin Franklin > > PRO AMERICA, > ANTI BUSH > > WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? > > IF YOU SUPPORT BUSH'S WAR, > WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? > SHUT UP AND SHIP OUT > > FEEL SAFER NOW? > > I'D RATHER HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SCREWED HIS INTERN > THAN ONE WHO SCREWED HIS COUNTRY > > JESUS WAS A SOCIAL ACTIVIST LIBERAL > > MY VALUES? FREE SPEECH. EQUALITY. > LIBERTY. EDUCATION. TOLERANCE > > IS IT 2008 YET? > > DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM > -- Thomas Jefferson > > DON'T BLAME ME. > > I VOTED AGAINST BUSH -- TWICE! > > NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED > > OF COURSE IT HURTS. > YOU'RE GETTING SCREWED BY AN ELEPHANT > > ANNOY A CONSERVATIVE; > THINK FOR YOURSELF > > VISUALIZE IMPEACHMENT > > HEY BUSH! > WHERE'S BIN LADEN? > > GEORGE W. BUSH: > MAKING TERRORISTS FASTER THAN HE CAN KILL THEM > > WHERE ARE WE GOING? > AND WHY ARE WE IN THIS HANDBASKET? > > KEEP YOUR THEOCRACY OFF MY DEMOCRACY > > CORPORATE MEDIA: WEAPONS OF MASS DECEPTION > > DON'T CONFUSE DYING FOR OIL WITH FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM > > STEM CELL RESEARCH IS PRO LIFE > > HATE, GREED, IGNORANCE: > WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION > > HONOR OUR TROOPS; > DEMAND THE TRUTH > > REBUILD IRAQ? > WHY NOT SPEND 87 BILLION ON AMERICA? > > FACT: BUSH OIL > 1999 - $19 BARREL > 2006 - $70 BARREL > > THE LAST TIME RELIGION CONTROLLED POLITICS, > PEOPLE GOT BURNED AT THE STAKE > > I'LL GIVE UP MY CHOICE WHEN JOHN ROBERTS GETS PREGNANT > > HOW ON EARTH CAN 59,411,287 PEOPLE BE SO DUMB? ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Bio
Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lyingabout 9/11
Ya know, that does sound a lot like Dubya. Wow. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Gary L. Green To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lyingabout 9/11 But can't you just hear that annoying Dubya voice saying: Them towers have GOT to come down. If their still standin' then they can be fixed or ignored or sumthin'. They won't be the symbol we need. Make sure them towers come DOWN! On 09Apr, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: And the towers were designed for impact by large aircraft. I read an interview with the architect - he said the buildings were designed to withstand a hot from the planes ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lyingabout 9/11
I hear they are going to be reconvening the Warren Commission again. Spector is once again going to show that it was a single bullet that did the whole thing. They will have the theoretical physics to prove it too.On 10Apr, 2006, at 1:34 PM, D. Mindock wrote:Another unanswered question: why were the massive steel beams quickly gathered up and ship off for scrap? Is it because the beams might've shown that they were torn apart by massive explosive charges? etc___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: More Gardening News
Honestly, the only thing in Rock Island I ever really made a point of knowing about was a liquor store that had a good selection of imported beer.What really makes the QC special is that in 17 years of marriage, it's the only place I saw my wife really knock-down drunk. It was at a wine tasting and they had lots of ports, her favorite. Sneaky things ports.On 10Apr, 2006, at 12:37 PM, Jason & Katie wrote:BTW the Villa de Chantal in rock island burned to the ground about a month after we had our wedding reception there.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Gardening and Tires
Guess there's always earthships:http://www.earthship.org/build/On 10Apr, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Keith Addison wrote:33 million tyres a year, which "tremendously outstrips" the demand for recycled rubber. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Garrison Keillor on Bush II
This is not a good trend. It could lead to people's home being inspected for all sorts of things like illegal satellite receivers, drugs, eating organic meat vs the hormone and pesticide laden USDA meat, non-GMO food, etc. I've read that sooner or later all cars will have black boxes which allows their tracking. I think cell phones are to be that way too. Both are for your "protection" of course. If I get anymore protected, I will puke. Our right to privacy is seen as a threat by the neo-cons. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: "Mike McGinness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Garrison Keillor on Bush II > You got it Gary, they have adopted the Bush policy of pre-emptive strikes > by > walking into the Texas bars and looking for and arresting people who are > over the > legal blood alcohol limit for driving before they leave and get on the > road. They > jail them for public intoxication. > > PreCrime is now a fact here in the great State of Texas! Actually I heard > there > was enough political backlash that they are now rethinking their position > on > Pre-Crime here in Texas. Of course the DEA has been into PreCrime for > years now, > guilty until proven innocent, another Bush I and II legacy. > > Lucky for me my only real vice is eating healthy, raw organic vegetables. > > Mike McGinness > > "Gary L. Green" wrote: > >> Speaking of beer, and I was, ... Mike, I read they are going into >> bars and arresting people for being drunk. Pre-crime. I never >> thought I'd see it in my life time. >> >> On 09Apr, 2006, at 2:40 AM, Mike McGinness wrote: >> >> > However, this Texan would rather see him sent to Iraq to fight his >> > own war. We don't need him back in Texas, and we can't leave him in >> > Washington either. By the way I voted against the republicans and >> > the Bushes since 1990, so don't blaim me. >> > >> > Mike McGinness >> >> __ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
