Re: [Biofuel] It was bound to happen - is this the beginning of the endfor BD?

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Mike Weaver:
In South America we have been told that USA is the land of "free enterprise" 
and the "land of opportunities" and that "all citizens are equal before the 
law"... that is the reason that so many mexicans and southamericans emigrate 
to USA!!!.
 I can hardly beleave that citizen Arnold is not giving the plain americans 
a fair chance to work!!!... it seems to me that he is keeping the job 
(grease) to some of his friends!!. Perhaps he knows that you did non vote 
for him?... check on that.
Some tactics like those ones are applyed to us here in Venezuela by our 
governors and president, they are starving many of us to death.
F.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:41 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] It was bound to happen - is this the beginning of the 
endfor BD?


> Gov Arnold signed into law in Sept 05 a waste collection law AB1065,
> that had no minimum use exemption and classified all restaurant waste as
> "waste grease".
> There are several of us in California that have developed a letter that
> we have sent to our legislators and the author asking for an amendment.
> This law was sponsored by the refiners as a response to broken
> contracts. Another thing that they have been doing is making new
> contracts that have a all or nothing clause. They will not take the trap
> waste without the fryer oil. This new law requires anyone who collects
> waste grease in any amount to have a liscense and 1million dollar bond
> insurance. This is wrong and we are trying to fight it.  If any of you
> on this list live in CA please contact me so I can get you the copy of
> the letter.
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Transesterification Separation after using ethanol

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Ken Provost:
Thanks.
F. J. Burgos

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Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:28 PM
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On Dec 30, 2005, at 6:31 AM, francisco j burgos wrote:



> 1.-Could you please indicate me if Free Fatty Acids are soluble in:
> a) Glycerine
> b) Biodiesel (tallow ethyl ester).



Nearly insoluble in glycerol, fully soluble in biodiesel.



> 2.- Using Ethanol 99.9%, KOH, beef talow, I obtained BD
> (liquid at 25ºC, 77ºF) but glycerine separation not detectable.
> Any suggestion?.


Read The JtF webpages about ethyl esters. If you don't
get glycerine separation, it's not really biodiesel.

-K
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[Biofuel] Transesterification Seperation after using ethanol

[francisco j burgos]

Dear sirs:
1.-Could you please indicate me if Free Fatty Acids are soluble in:
a) Glycerine
b) Biodiesel (tallow ethyl ester).
2.- Using Ethanol 99.9%, KOH, beef talow, I obtained BD (liquid at 25ºC, 
77ºF) but glicerine separation not detectable.
  Any suggestion?.

Thanks in advance,
Mr. F.J. Burgos



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Re: [Biofuel] democracy now: chavez to give the us cheap oil to poorfolks

[francisco j burgos]

Dear sir:
if I were a poor american I would agree 100% with you, but I am a venezuelan 
and Mr. Chavez is giving away our wealth with out even consulting the 
venezuelan congress... besides he is planting the seed of class hate and 
class strugle in USA.

Yours truly,
F.
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:31 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] democracy now: chavez to give the us cheap oil to 
poorfolks


> Did you all hear today's Democracy Now? Looks like the US is letting
> Chavez sell heating oil at a 40% reduction to poor-er folk in Brooklyn and
> Boston.
>
> I imagine the petro boys and the corporate world are squirming right now:
> this is the first time a major corporation (Citgo?) has VOLUNTARILY taken
> a profit cut! This is, in my view, a major accomplishment and may signal
> the beginning of the end for corporate-America...
>
> I really hope Chavez is around next year.
>
> KF
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Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Duarte 
Nuno Januário:
I would advise to manufacture separately the WVO 
BD and Tallow BD. For sure it is easier if 
you use methanol.
Once you have the "biodiesels" I would add 80% WV 
BD + 20% Tallow BD, depending on temperature you want to use the 
blend.
Good luck,
Mr. F.J. Burgos

  From: 
  Duarte 
  Nuno Januário 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:46 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Producing 
  biodiesel from animal fat
  
  
  Thank 
  You Francisco
   
  I 
  actually have a "tallow-problem-in-food-industry" to solve. I think that 
  making biodiesel from it may be very nice and environmentally friendly 
  solution.
  I’m 
  beginning to produce my own biodiesel, I’m trying to do it with wvo 
  first.
  Do you 
  think that mixing tallow with vegetable oil could help to improve some of the 
  “bad properties” of tallow?
  It would 
  like to know some personal experiences about the proportions in which these 
  two fats should be mixed.
   
  Duarte 
  Nuno Januário
   
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From: 
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j burgos 
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:37 
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Producing 
biodiesel from animal fat

Dear Mr.  Duarte Nuno:
one of the problems of obtaining BD from tallow is to 
have a consistent quality raw material. These days tallow is a little 
cheaper than a few years ago due  the existing surplus because the BSE 
"mad cows" ilness. It is advisable to work with "soap quality" tallow, 0.25% 
FFA, and also you should get rid of any moist on 
it.
Yours 
truly,
Mr. 
F.J. Burgos

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  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:43 
  AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Producing 
  biodiesel from animal fat
  
   
  
  Hello 
  everybody!
   
  
  Has anyone in this list ever 
  tried to produced biodiesel from animal fat (tallow, for 
  instance)?
  The process for vegetable oils 
  is well known, but I don’t seem to find much documentation on experiences 
  on producing biodiesel from animal fat.
  From what I know, the problems 
  with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and 
  the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from 
  animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How 
  can one solve this problem?
  I would be very pleased if 
  someone could help me on this problem. Any reports / papers or personal 
  experiences are welcome!
   
  Thanks,
   
   
  Duarte 
  Nuno
   
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr.  Duarte Nuno:
one 
of the problems of obtaining BD from tallow is to have a consistent quality raw 
material. These days tallow is a little cheaper than a few years ago due  
the existing surplus because the BSE "mad cows" ilness. It is advisable to work 
with "soap quality" tallow, 0.25% FFA, and also you should get rid of any moist 
on it.
Yours 
truly,
Mr. F.J. 
Burgos

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Duarte 
  Nuno Januário 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:43 
  AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel 
  from animal fat
  
   
  
  Hello 
  everybody!
   
  
  Has anyone in this list ever tried 
  to produced biodiesel from animal fat (tallow, for instance)?
  The process for vegetable oils is 
  well known, but I don’t seem to find much documentation on experiences on 
  producing biodiesel from animal fat.
  From what I know, the problems 
  with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the 
  high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat 
  will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How 
  can one solve this problem?
  I would be very pleased if someone 
  could help me on this problem. Any reports / papers or personal experiences 
  are welcome!
   
  Thanks,
   
   
  Duarte Nuno
   
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr Ken Provost:
No, it does smell gasoline in it.
My results have been a disaster.
Thanks,
Mr. F.J. Burgos

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:18 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Absolute 
  ethanol
  
  
  On Nov 21, 2005, at 2:18 PM, francisco j burgos wrote:
  
  
ETHANOL 95%
ABSOLUT ETHYL ALCOHOL

Isopropyl alcohol              
      0.003
Methanol  
                      
        0.01
H2O     
                      
            
  0.2%
  
  Interesting -- It's possible you have absolute ethanol
  denatured with gasoline -- what's called "fuel grade"
  ethanol in US.  If true, the odor of gasoline at 5%
  would be unmistakable. In any case,  it should be
  fine for biodiesel.
  
  -K
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Bob Allen:
I agree 100% with you.
Thanks again.
Mr. F.j. Burgos
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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol


Francisco, there is still some 4 or 5 % missing here.  My only concern is 
that the missing per
centage is water.   It says .2% water but it doesn't add up.  If the missing 
mass is water, it won't
work.  Water makes soap, not biofuel.  And with ethanol it is very, very 
important.

If the remainder is a hydrocarbon denaturant, then it should be no problem 
as small amounts of
hydrocarbons don't interfere. My recommendation is try it on a small scale 
and see if it works.

good luck


francisco j burgos wrote:
> Dear Mr. Bob Allen:
> Here are label indications
>
> ETHANOL 95%
> ABSOLUT ETHYL ALCOHOL
>
> Minimum Assay: 95% (V/V) Boiling point 78.5 ºC (br 0.5ºC)
> Density:  1 L = 0.79 kg
> MAXIMIM LIMITS OF IMPURITIES
> Acidity (acetic acid)   0.001%
> Alkalinity (NH3)0.0001%
> Carboxilic compounds (CO)  0.5%
> Color (APHA) 10
> Isopropyl alcohol0.003
> Methanol0.01
> Residue on evaporation   0.001%
> Substances reducing (09 5m0.0003%
> H2O   0.2%
> Al   0.5%
> Thanks,
> Mr. F.J. Burgos
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol
>
>
> Francisco, what is the remaining 4.8%?  usually absolute alcohol means 
> 100%.
> Is this denatured
> alcohol, if so what is the denaturant?
>
>
> francisco j burgos wrote:
>
>>Dear sirs.
>>I have a bottle labeled as:  absolute ethanol 95%, and among other
>>things declares Water 0,2%.
>>Would it be good enough for beef tallow transesterification?.
>>I plan to dry tallow at 120ºC during 15 minutes; use 50ºC; molar ratio
>>ethanol: tallow  6:1; turbulent mix;  tallow has 0,25% FFA so  I will
>>use 0,60% of KOH; reaction time: 60 minutes.
>>Do you think that I would be sucessful and obtain biodiesel ?.
>>Your advise will be the most apreciated. Thanks in advance.
>>Mr. F.J. Burgos.
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Bob Allen:
Here are label indications

ETHANOL 95%
ABSOLUT ETHYL ALCOHOL

Minimum Assay: 95% (V/V) Boiling point 78.5 ºC (br 0.5ºC)
Density:  1 L = 0.79 kg
MAXIMIM LIMITS OF IMPURITIES
Acidity (acetic acid)   0.001%
Alkalinity (NH3)0.0001%
Carboxilic compounds (CO)  0.5%
Color (APHA) 10
Isopropyl alcohol0.003
Methanol0.01
Residue on evaporation   0.001%
Substances reducing (09 5m0.0003%
H2O   0.2%
Al   0.5%
Thanks,
Mr. F.J. Burgos

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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol


Francisco, what is the remaining 4.8%?  usually absolute alcohol means 100%. 
Is this denatured
alcohol, if so what is the denaturant?


francisco j burgos wrote:
> Dear sirs.
> I have a bottle labeled as:  absolute ethanol 95%, and among other
> things declares Water 0,2%.
> Would it be good enough for beef tallow transesterification?.
> I plan to dry tallow at 120ºC during 15 minutes; use 50ºC; molar ratio
> ethanol: tallow  6:1; turbulent mix;  tallow has 0,25% FFA so  I will
> use 0,60% of KOH; reaction time: 60 minutes.
> Do you think that I would be sucessful and obtain biodiesel ?.
> Your advise will be the most apreciated. Thanks in advance.
> Mr. F.J. Burgos.
>
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Provost:
Many thanks.
Mr. F.J. Burgos

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  Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:27 
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  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Absolute 
  ethanol
  
  
  On Nov 17, 2005, at 4:19 AM, francisco j burgos wrote:
  
  
  
The melting point for tallow is ca 40.5ºC (104,9ºF) so I 
thought
  
that 50ºC (122ºC) for reaction would be effective, please 
comment.
  
  Start at 50 just to get everything into solution, but then let it 
  cool
  down -- separation takes a long time, and cooler temperatures
  assist the process.
  
  Do check out the JtoF pages on ethyl esters -- the details
  are quite different than for methyl esters.
  
  -K
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Ken Provost:
Many thanks for your e-m and comments.
The melting point for tallow is ca 40.5ºC (104,9ºF) 
so I thought that 50ºC (122ºC) for reaction would be cost effective, please 
comment.
There are some people here that want 
to include ethyl tallowate in their petroleum based 
lubricants.
Thanks in advance. 
Yours tryly,
Mr, F.J. Burgos

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:40 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Absolute 
  ethanol
  
  
  On Nov 16, 2005, at 5:32 PM, francisco j burgos wrote:
  
  
I have a bottle labeled as:  absolute ethanol 95%, 
and among
  
other things declares Water 0,2%. Would it be good enough for
  
beef tallow transesterification?. I plan to dry tallow at 120ºC
  
during 15 minutes; use 50ºC; molar ratio ethanol: 
tallow  6:1; 
  
turbulent mix;  tallow has 0,25% FFA so 
 I will use 0,60% of KOH;
  
reaction time: 60 minutes. Do 
you think that I would be successful 
  
and obtain biodiesel?
  
  
  The short answer is YES, you should eventually be able to use
  your ethanol, which is adequately dry, to make biodiesel  from
  your tallow, which is adequately clean. Temp. of 50 sounds a
  little high for ethanol (the high temp. discourages separation),
  and I don't have my calculator handy to check your ratios, but
  the reactants sound acceptable. Reaction time may be as long
  as 12 hours before glycerine separation occurs.
  
  Have you already made biodiesel with this feedstock using 
  methanol instead of ethanol? May I ask why you want to use
  ethanol? The process is much less reliable and requires
  considerably more KOH than with methanol -- including up
  to 20% methanol in the alcohol portion increases your chance
  of success markedly. The Journey to Forever website has some
  information about the use of ethanol for transesterification, and
  what aspects of the process need to be modified. Check it out
  thoroughly.
  
  -K
  
  

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[Biofuel] Absolute ethanol

[francisco j burgos]

Dear sirs.
I have a bottle labeled as:  absolute ethanol 
95%, and among other things declares Water 0,2%.
Would it be good enough for beef tallow 
transesterification?.
I plan to dry tallow at 120ºC during 15 
minutes; use 50ºC; molar ratio ethanol: tallow  6:1; turbulent mix;  
tallow has 0,25% FFA so  I will use 0,60% of KOH; reaction time: 60 
minutes.
Do you think that I would be sucessful and obtain 
biodiesel ?.
Your advise will be the most apreciated. Thanks in 
advance.
Mr. F.J. Burgos.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Foolproof Method - Vinegar instead of H3PO4?

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Dan:
im may be possible... but as long you have 100% acetic acid (vinegar). Water 
on regular vinegar will deviate to the left the reaction due to 
LeChatelier-Braun principle.
Regards,
 F.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:48 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Foolproof Method - Vinegar instead of H3PO4?


>
> Is it possible to use vinegar instead of H3PO4 in the foolproof method?  A 
> chemist friend says it should theoretically work, but I
> don't know if there's some other reason for it that he's not thinking of. 
> I give much more credibility to you guys who do this all
> the time than to anybody with a bunch of "education", even though he seems 
> pretty credible
>
> It seems like it would be less expensive, let me know what you think. 
> Dan.
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Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Tom Irwin:
thanks for your prompt replay and valuable 
information.
I am having a rough time in trying to transesterify tallow 
using ethanol and KOH, could you be kind enough and make me any process 
suggestions?.
I  have tryed: a tallow with ony 2.5% of FFA; 
50ºC; 1% KOH;  molar fraction basis , ethanol: tallow  6:1,  up 
to 12 hours and obtained practically zero reaction ( none visible separation of 
glycerol out of gluk). Weird, dont you think?.
Yours truly,
Mr. F.J. Burgos

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom Irwin 

  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:37 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make 
  BD
  
  Hello  Mr. Burgos,
   
  Animal fat was a natural first choice as we produce a fair amount of beef 
  here in Uruguay. From my reading on the JTF site, I found that it was a 
  viable candidate and there are several papers available there for using it. It 
  made sense from a chemical standpoint as fat is essentially all saturated 
  hydrocarbon. With only single bonded carbons I knew that polymerization at 
  temperature is not likely. I tried about 10 or 15 small batches and never had 
  a single bad batch with methoxide as a cataylst. Then I shifted to ethoxide 
  and had a few successes and many failures. I shifted back to methoxide to 
  check if my technique had gone bad. It hadn't. I still got very good 
  separation of glycerine and all washed batches passed density, wash, chemical, 
  and motor testing. I'm currently working on waste vegetable oil which is 
  extraordinarily variable here. Titration testing is a must do task with each 
  new supplier and sometimes with each batch from each supplier but I get the 
  material for free. For me this is methoxide only territory but I'm still very 
  curious as to why I had mostly failure but some success with 
  ethoxide. I probably go back to it once I'm producing enough for my home and 
  farm needs.
   
  Tom Irwin
     
  

    From: francisco j burgos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:14:40 
-0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD
Dear Mr. Tom Irwin:
Did you find by your own experience that tallow is a 
good raw material for producing biodiesel? or there is any bibliography that 
you can indicate me on the subject?.
Your help will be the most appreciated, thanks in 
advance.
Cordially, Mr. F.J. Burgos

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom Irwin 
  
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 
  3:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to 
  make BD
  
  Hello Juan,
   
  I have found animal fat converts really easy to biodiesel. The main 
  obstacle is that it is primarily a summer only fuel as it solidifies at 
  about 10-14 C. A lot depends on what resources you have and your local 
  climate. If you have a farm with animals that need feed, perhaps canola 
  (non-GM variety) is a good candidate. It has a good oil yield per hectare 
  and a reasonably low iodine value. You can feed the crushed seedcake to 
  your livestock. If you are in a good sized town or city, waste vegetable 
  oil is usually available from restaurants. It's quite variable and 
  more difficult to convert than unused oil but you can usually get 
  it for just your transport costs. If you live in a poorer area 
  then look for wild castor beans. They're have large yields and are 
  generally free for the picking but you can't use the seedcake for animal 
  feed. It composts rather well for a garden or farm soil 
  amendment.  It takes a stronger stomach than mine to deal with the 
  aroma. Castor oil was once used an an emetic to cause vomiting. Other I'm 
  sure have their favorites.
   
  Tom Irwin
   
   
  

From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: 
Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: 
Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:28:27 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best 
oil to make BDFree is the best oil to use 
;-)Juan B wrote: 
Hello Everyone, I Would like to know what is the 
  best vegetable oil that can be use to get the most biodiesel ? or it 
  would be better to get animal fat?I looked at the tables in 
  the website but I did not completely understand . 
  thanksJuan  ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org  Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html  Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
   
   
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Tom Irwin:
Did you find by your own experience that tallow is a good 
raw material for producing biodiesel? or there is any bibliography that you can 
indicate me on the subject?.
Your help will be the most appreciated, thanks in 
advance.
Cordially, Mr. F.J. Burgos

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom Irwin 

  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:39 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make 
  BD
  
  Hello Juan,
   
  I have found animal fat converts really easy to biodiesel. The main 
  obstacle is that it is primarily a summer only fuel as it solidifies at about 
  10-14 C. A lot depends on what resources you have and your local climate. If 
  you have a farm with animals that need feed, perhaps canola (non-GM variety) 
  is a good candidate. It has a good oil yield per hectare and a reasonably low 
  iodine value. You can feed the crushed seedcake to your livestock. If you are 
  in a good sized town or city, waste vegetable oil is usually available from 
  restaurants. It's quite variable and more difficult to convert than 
  unused oil but you can usually get it for just your transport costs. If 
  you live in a poorer area then look for wild castor beans. 
  They're have large yields and are generally free for the picking but you 
  can't use the seedcake for animal feed. It composts rather well for a 
  garden or farm soil amendment.  It takes a stronger stomach than 
  mine to deal with the aroma. Castor oil was once used an an emetic to cause 
  vomiting. Other I'm sure have their favorites.
   
  Tom Irwin
   
   
  

From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:28:27 
-0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make 
BDFree is the best oil to use ;-)Juan B wrote: 
Hello Everyone, I Would like to know what is the best 
  vegetable oil that can be use to get the most biodiesel ? or it would be 
  better to get animal fat?I looked at the tables in the website but 
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Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Mike Weaver:
¡Wellcome to the club!!!...
I lived and got my master´s degree in Fayetteville, 
Ark. long time ago, back in 1973. 
I allways desidered to meet an american with at 
least some afinity with my line of thought.
RSVP
 
Mr. F.J. Burgos

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mike Weaver 
  
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:13 
  AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and 
  otherwise...
  Outside of my little nest here on the East Coast I feel like a 
  stranger in my own land.  I go to the Midwest to visit family and I 
  cannot and do not talk to them about politics..  I have come to realize, 
  after 40 years, that they won't and probably can't change.  I prize 
  family above rhetoric.  I have finally learned it is better, in some 
  cases to be happy than to be right.  OTOH, I did not live thru what they 
  did:  WWII, most of them have been working since they could walk, and did 
  not have the benefits I have had.My father left Arkansas in his teens, 
  got a degree, was drafted and got a PhD.  He moved East and saw to it 
  that his childred all went to college and grad school.  We have all 
  travelled overseas and in some cases lived and/or worked in the 3rd 
  world.  As Mark Twain said:  nothing is as deadly to prejudice as 
  travel.I have to agree with pretty much everything you say.  
  Except, we have no real foreign policy, nor do we really have an energy 
  policy.  We have a bully policy.No wonder 90% or the world is mad at 
  us.  I don't blame them.OTOH, the French are not without warts - 
  look at West Africa.  I am also interested to see what happens with 
  Western Europe with regards to their economies.The Western European 
  countries are belatedly realizing you can't just conjure an economy.  You 
  have to have money before you can have generous social programs.  This 
  what Germany and France are wrestling with now.  I personally think a 
  realistic economic base - fewer regulations in some cases - in France it's 
  pratically illegal to start a small business, and God help you if you fail - 
  you can expect to investigated for fraud no matter what happened.  
  Complain about the USll you want but you can start a business w/o fear of 
  gaol.  This one of the thing we do have to offer as a model for other 
  countries.This country has a ways to go in terms of social 
  programs.  I still can't believe we don't have SOME form of national 
  health.  The current system is collapsing.  My sister is a doctor 
  and I can tell you the current program is failing.  I also believe that 
  we need some form child care - if both parents must work there must be a safe 
  place for their children.  Europe is miles ahead of us here.I 
  rattle on...MikeHakan Falk wrote: 
  Mike,

Ugly is your addition and I love Americans, the only thing
that I do not like is their foreign policies, energy policies.
and the political/economy corruption by the US corporations.

By the way, I also like the French. My daughter in law and
grandchildren are French.

Hakan

At 23:21 14/10/2005, you wrote:
  
!! What about us ugly Americans?

Hakan Falk wrote:

  I really like this list and its members, including the French
and Canadian French. LOL

It is fun with the sparks and the humor.

Hakan

At 20:52 14/10/2005, you wrote:

  
I generally take a shower once a month whether I need it or not.
(in the summer of course, in the winter we can take snow baths every day)

PS for all you foreigners. underwear can be
recycled four times (inside out, back and front)
this is of course common sense to Canadians but
I am sensitive to the international nature of this list.

Joe

Frantz DESPREZ wrote:


  Mike Weaver a écrit :



  
M. Falk:

As a person with (minor) French ancestry, I am shocked and offended at
your suggestion that the French do not bathe regularly.
I challenge you to defend yourself in a duel of honor.  Shampoo at
fifty yards, the first one to achieve a glossy sheen to be declared
the winner.
I name as my seconds Vidal Sasoon and the Breck girl.  If the first
duel is not satisfactory, we will rinse and repeat.

Prepare to meet your suds.

M. Weaver



M. Weaver,

I am very grateful of your sollicitude, but be careful, scandinavians
are famous for their weapons of mass desinfection.
They could invite you into a steam bath until you've been cooked, before
roll you in snow or dive in icy water.
None a civilized gentleman as you surely are can resist such a barbarian
treatment.
And since Volvo refused to married Renault, we are in bad t(h)erms.

M. Desprez
( with half of my ancestry from Normandy, so Hakan is maybe a cousin of
mine)

  





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Re: [Biofuel] TEFC Electric Motor Sizing

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Dunn:
certainly you are not the only one that can make good use of such tables or 
calculations.
Hope some body can share info...
Yours truly,
Mr. F.J. Burgos

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 2:21 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] TEFC Electric Motor Sizing


> Hi all,
>
> Still gathering my parts for my processor.  I found a 1 inch clear
> water pump that I'm going to use only for transferring the oil.  I
> don't know if anyone has a Habitat for Humanity store near them but,
> they always have a bunch of motors and pumps at the one near me.
>
> Unfortunately, I can't find any used TEFC motors.  I've resigned to
> buying a new TEFC motor for my stir processor.  I'm going to be using
> a 55 gallon drum as my reactor.  Looking at some of Todd Swearingen's
> diagrams and others, I think I should be able to get away with a 1/4
> HP motor.  A 1/3 HP motor is available locally but, I don't want to
> waste any energy or money.  Anyone have any guidelines on motor sizes
> based on processing capacity?
>
> Take care,
> Ken
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Re: [Biofuel] glycerol and aerobic digester

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr.  Addison:
Thanks a lot.

F.J. Burgos

- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] glycerol and aerobic digester


>> Dear sir:
>>would it be of any good to add glycerol to an aerobic digester?.
>>Thanks in advance,
>>F-J. Burgos
>
> See:
>
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html#biogas
> Glycerine and biogas
>
> Best wishes
>
> Keith
>
>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:47 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] glycerol
>>
>>
>> > Glycerol ferments extremely well in the presence of botulimum toxin.
>> >
>> > Also, someone mentioned recently that a fractious addition of glycerol
>> > to an anaerobic digester increased its output.
>> >
>> > Todd Swearingen
>> >
>> >
>> > Jason and Katie wrote:
>> >
>> >> hi all,
>> >>
>> >> i have been reading the JtF pages once again, and i noticed a
>> >> statement that glycerol was a 'simple sugar'.  if this is true, could
>> >> it be used in ethanol production, or is the harsh chemical content too
>> >> high for yeast, even after separating and reclamation? what kind of
>> >> treatment would be needed to combine/break down this sugar into
>> >> "yeast-food" if it is suitable?
>> >>
>> >> thx,
>> >> jason
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[Biofuel] glycerol and aerobic digester

[francisco j burgos]

 Dear sir:
would it be of any good to add glycerol to an aerobic digester?.
Thanks in advance,
F-J. Burgos

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] glycerol


> Glycerol ferments extremely well in the presence of botulimum toxin.
>
> Also, someone mentioned recently that a fractious addition of glycerol
> to an anaerobic digester increased its output.
>
> Todd Swearingen
>
>
> Jason and Katie wrote:
>
>> hi all,
>>
>> i have been reading the JtF pages once again, and i noticed a
>> statement that glycerol was a 'simple sugar'.  if this is true, could
>> it be used in ethanol production, or is the harsh chemical content too
>> high for yeast, even after separating and reclamation? what kind of
>> treatment would be needed to combine/break down this sugar into
>> "yeast-food" if it is suitable?
>>
>> thx,
>> jason
>>
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[Biofuel] Fw: ethanol

[francisco j burgos]

 
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

- Original Message ----- 
From: francisco j 
burgos 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:57 AM
Subject: ethanol

Attention: Mr. Tom Irwin
 
Dear Mr. Irwin:
It would be great to exchange experiences about 
biodiesel using ethanol and KOH.
In my case I tryed to transesterify beef tallow... 
I still can not separate glycerine from biodiesel.
Hint from some friend of mine:
Add (20% with respect to lippid employed) a 
hot and saturated KCl solution to promote splitting, it has to do with a 
phenomena called "common ion".
Best wishes,
Mr. F.J. Burgos
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr.(Ms) Cris Davidson:
Thanks for sharing the info.
Pls look in the Web for: Low-Pressure Hydrogenolysis of Glicerol to 
Propylene Glicol.
Available on line at:  .sciencedirect.com
Mr. F.J. Burgos

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:17 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel


> Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel
>
> From: http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/
>
> Columbia, Missouri [RenewableEnergyAccess.com] -
> 2005-08-18 - In addition to topping off your gas tank
> with biodiesel, a new advance could let you fill your
> vehicle's cooling system with a biomass-derived
> antifreeze.
>
> A new process developed at the University of
> Missouri-Columbia (MU) creates a valuable secondary
> product from the biodiesel manufacturing process that
> makes the production cycle both profitable and
> affordable.
>
> Galen Suppes, chief science officer of the MU-based
> Renewable Alternatives, developed a process for
> converting glycerin, a byproduct of the biodiesel
> production process, into propylene glycol, which can
> be used as nontoxic antifreeze for automobiles. Suppes
> said the new propylene glycol product will meet every
> performance standard, is made from domestic soybeans
> and is nontoxic.
>
> Suppes said this technology can reduce the cost of
> biodiesel production by as much as $0.40 per gallon of
> biodiesel. The market for propylene glycol already is
> established, with a billion pounds produced a year.
>
> "The price of propylene glycol is quite high while
> glycerin's price is low, so based on the low cost of
> feed stock and high value of propylene glycol, the
> process appears to be most profitable," Suppes said.
> "The consumers want antifreeze that is both renewable
> and made from biomass rather than petroleum from which
> propylene glycol currently is produced."
>
> The creation of a valuable secondary product could
> help mainstream the use of biodiesel. In 2004,
> biodiesel producers sold 30 million gallons of fuel,
> up from 500,000 gallons in 1999. It's still, however,
> a relatively niche fuel.
>
> "At best, right now biodiesel production is only part
> of the solution," Suppes said. "Current biodiesel
> production in the United States is about 0.03 billion
> gallons per year as compared to distillate fuel oil
> consumption of 57 billion gallons per year."
>
> Renewable Alternatives is currently licensing this
> technology to three biodiesel plants. The National
> Science Foundation and Missouri Soybean Farmers are
> helping to fund the research.
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Re: [Biofuel] titanium

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Farmer:
seems a good idea. Keep searching, wish you good luck.
F.J. Burgos

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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:45 PM
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Just wondering if anyone had any input.  I have been thinking about 
Biodiesel, and I came across a mosquito trap at the hardware store that 
uses propaine run across titanium to crack the hydrocarbons down to CO2 
and attracting mosquitos.  I was wondering if the same theory could be 
used to make biodiesel?  Does anyone have any ideas?


Thanks,

Jeremy Farmer
JBF Holdings LLC
2601 Lazy Hollow #603
Houston, Texas 77063
832-414-4217
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[Biofuel] Acid Heterogeneous Catalyst and FFA "esterification"

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Addison:
Lets suppose that an oil/fat with a high content of Free Fatty Acids ( > 
15%) is available, is it true that  FFA present in it can be "esterifyed" 
using an acid (H2SO4) as catalyst in conjunction with the chosen alcohol, 
plus heat, stirring, etc...?
Assuming that "esterification" of FFA is achieved...  Under such treatment I 
wonder what may happen to the oil/fat that is also present, could you please 
elaborate on it?.

Thanks in advance,
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Re: [Biofuel] Speaking of glop

[francisco j burgos]

just for the records. Do you know if the beef lard ( tallow?) you used 
contained protein (meat)?. If so, how much (%)?.

Tks,
Mr. F.J. Burgos

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Subject: [Biofuel] Speaking of glop


Hi All,

After many successful batches made from vegetable oil ( both unused and
heavily used) I decided it was time to try all beef lard. Perhaps I
shouldn«t have used this method but I did anyway. I used Alex Kacs first
stage (of two) method. After liquifying the lard, I added the required 1 ml
of concentrated (98%) sulfuric acid at 35-37 degrees centigrade. While it
was all stirring for the required time period, somewhere around the 20
minute mark it nearly all solidified. I checked the temperature. It was
still within the required range. I ramped up the heat to about 55 degrees C.
and it all liquified. Did I read something wrong or do something wrong? I
wasn«t expecting solidification until I turned off the heat. I let it sit
overnight, reheated to 55 C. the next day and performed the second stage
base transesterification. It seemed to go well. I got good separation but
upon washing I got the dreaded white layer (which I think is unreacted lard)
between the BioD and the water later. Do I need to use more than 1 ml of
sulfuric acid because I«m using all lard? Now Keith, I have been reading the
archives but I seem to have missed something.

Thanks in advance,

Tom Irwin



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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] got glop (yup)

Hi Derick, welcome


Hi all I am new to this forum so if I step on some toes let me know.


There are rules, which the Welcome message you were sent referred to:
http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html

They're sensible enough, you shouldn't have any problems.


I have been looking into the biodiesal for a few months now and there

has

been a lot of good articles. I have been printing them and studying

them. I

have now have a processing system I have built and it professional

looking

if I do say so.
I got some feed stock from the local from the local slop shop. (Ill

never

eat there again. Yuck)


No, don't eat there!


What I did. First try transesterfication


Titration? How did you go about it?


I got a reading of 9 I added the
3.5 to a total of 12.5 grams per liter. Mixed the methoxide 125 mil


125ml of methanol per litre of oil? Not nearly enough - the process
uses about that amount (depending on the oil), but it needs an excess
to push it towards completion, particularly with high FFA oils like
the stuff you've found. Use 200ml per litre, at least, 220 would be
better for that stuff, or even 250.


dewatered the oil after cooling added the methoxide shook it over and

over.

Looked ok by what I have read but as it cooled It got thicker and

thicker

until a solid plastic bottle was shaming me. So back to the drawing

board I

found that the alcohol I used for testing was not pure only 70% so off

to

the store bought 99% the best available figured I would get a new red

devil

caustic soda just because it might do better. The next test came out to
11.25 + 3.5 = 14.5 dewatered the oil to the point of almost burning it.
Added the methoxide shook for some time let it set and shook it more

over

and over this time I left it in a bucket of hot tap water so it

wouldn't

jell. After a few hours went back to --

glop

slop glop. What am I doing wrong? I have read that more methanol is

needed

to push it over the edge. Is the extra methanol added to the methoxide

or to

the oil? Before the methoxide or after?


Your main problem is that you're using very poor quality WVO. Very
few newbies will have any luck trying to use such high titration oil.
Even experienced biodieselers will have failures with 11.25 titration
WVO, and even when they succeed the yield will be poor.

You shouldn't start with WVO anyway, Start here, with virgin oil:
"Where do I start?"
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start

Then you'll know what to expect. When you're familiar with that, move
on to WVO, but, at least at first, find better oil! Something
titrating at say 3.5ml or less would be more suitable for a novice.

Give this whole page (two pages and more, with the links) a thorough
read:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html
Make your own biodiesel

Blenders are better than shaking it up in a bottle, or make one of
these:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor7.html
Test-batch mini-processor

Good luck! Let us know how you fare.

Best wishes

Keith

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Re: [Biofuel] Mobil Biodiesel Processor

[francisco j burgos]

Please send us plans when you get mobil unit.
Tks,
Francisco
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Hello Francisco,
Hopefully Blue Sun will help out, it would help in two ways; by promoting 
biodiesel and their company. If I can't get a big corp. to help then I will 
go with someone smaller and promote their processor! Either way I am going 
to educate the masses on the fact that there is alternatives.
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 Dear Mr. Harris:
 Excellent idea...!!!.
 Pls keep in touch.
 Francisco.

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 I am looking for a processor that I can pull around the Denver area on a
 trailer promoting biodiesel!
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Re: [Biofuel] Mobil Biodiesel Processor

[francisco j burgos]

Excellent idea...!!!.
Pls keep in touch.
Francisco.

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I am looking for a processor that I can pull around the Denver area on a 
trailer promoting biodiesel!

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Re: [Biofuel] Ionol

[francisco j burgos]

Thanks, very interesting.
F.J. Burgos
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Interesting and maybe useful. Interessante e talvez possa ser util
http://www.all4engineers.com/index.php;sid=48089533142232989e0290525575934/site=a4e/lng=en/do=show/alloc=33/id=74
VEry Best for us. O melhro para n—s
Chico Ramos
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Uses of glycerin

[francisco j burgos]

the digester where glycerin is feed is it an aerobious(works in presence of 
air) digester or an anaerobious(works without air presence) digester?.

What is the glycerin feed rate to the digester?.
Thanks in advance,
Francisco
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Forwarded message from a Journey to Forever reader.

Best wishes

Keith



Hello,

I work at a wastewater treatment plant and I was doing a search on 
glycerin

and biofuels and came across your website.  It's has good information
thanks.

Here's another use of glycerin:  Our treatment is accepting the glycerin
from a biofuel producer, we feed it to our digesters, slowly very slowly.
The addition of glycerin has dramatically increased our gas production,
that we run all three engines that produce  electricity for our plant and
occasionally need to flare off the excess methane (we have 4 flares).

This might be of interest to your readers that use digestion for
electricity.


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[Biofuel] Need advicer on Energy

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Valcke:
Thanks for your kind offer...
By the way, could you please indicate me an alternate use for Methyl 
Tallowate (Methyl ester or monoalkyl ester) other than being used as fuel 
(Biodiesel)?.

Thanks,
Mr. F.J. Burgos

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Helen Renold,

I read about your alternative energies in the Swiss.

Well I'm a Belgium person who works in the alternative energie, such as
solar, pv, wkk, pellet and much more.

When you want to contact me, my adress is
Hans Valcke
Broekstraat 16
3545 Zelem  Belgium
Tel 0032 475 28 72 29
mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hans Valcke


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Dear Keith and list,

My name is Helen Renold and I'm writing from
Switzerland on behalf of a group (ca. 35 people) who
have begun to get together as a community trying to be
self sufficient as far as possible.  We have among us
various professions and skills by which we try to
support each other's needs independent of the
government.  As I said we try to do this as much as
possible within our financial limitations.  But we
have spent about a year and a half being sensitised to
the world economic and political situation through
various medias and discussions and research.  One of
our main goals is to help each other get out of our
debts.

And one of our main concerns has been alternative
energies.  This is one area where we do not have much
expertise at all.  We have looked into free energy
systems that we've heard and read a lot about but
there doesn't seem to be much available nor much
alternative energy system that is really cost
efficient.  Perhaps we have not looked in the right
places.  I have tried to keep up with this list for
about a year but I'm still not anywhere near
understanding the possibilities that are actually
available.  However, we are willing to get organised
and be committed to work and maintain any system of
energy that can keep us independent of the grid as
much as possible.

We are looking for someone near us (Switzerland) who
would take the time to advise and show us practical
alternatives if there are really any.  We meet
collectively to discuss and study once a month.  It
would be great to have someone with the expertise
present a lecture on alternative energies.  It would
be even better if we could experience some
demonstrations too.

Is there anyone available from this list?  I look
forward to receiving any advise on this matter.

Thank you,

Helen Renold



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Re: [Biofuel] Transesterification versus solvent/filtering methods

[francisco j burgos]

I wonder if is it possible to obtain a "good Biodiesel" using a blend of 50% 
Biodiesel + 50% Stoddard solvent.
Any one knows Stoddard solvent price?. Are there different kinds of Stoddard 
solvent?.

Thanks in advance,
Francisco.


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Hello Chris

Been having a look over www.bio-power.co.uk. The process they are using is 
based on adding solvents and filtering & settling the oils into a product 
suitable for road fuel. The process seems to produce little waste and uses 
no dangerous chemicals. What are your views on this method as oppose to 
transesterification? This method does at first glance have its appeals but 
I am wondering about possible disadvantages.


Hm, yes. John Nicholson's operation. This is what it says about it at our 
website:


... A variation on this theme is adding a solvent to the veg oil to lower 
the viscosity -- usually 3% white spirit (a.k.a. mineral turpentine, 
Stoddard solvent, turpentine substitute). This raised a lot of interest 
after it was publicized on a British TV program -- 
"just add a spoonful". It also raised a lot of scepticism: "'experimental' 
at best" was the view of experienced SVO'ers, and "steer well clear" 
unless you have a 5-cyl IDI Mercedes (in which case you don't even need 
the white spirit). We agree. Work on blends of SVO with other solvents, 
such as butanol and ethanol, is still experimental. By all means go ahead 
and experiment, but there are no guarantees.

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#1mixing

The "experienced SVO'ers" were Biofuel list members, and some of them were 
much ruder than that about it.


I haven't followed it closely (not very interested), but we do get a lot 
of input and feedbck and I think if there'd been some revolutionary 
development I'd probably have heard of it.


However, have a look at Darren's site, which will have a more thorough and 
up-to-date treatment of it:


"Vegetable Oil as a Fuel" by Darren Hill -- book-length online report, 
mainly UK-based: The Diesel Engine, Theory of Vegetable Oil Use as a Fuel, 
Engine suitability, Heating the Oil, Biodiesel, Micro Emulsions and 
Blends, Vegetable Oil Engine Design, Vegetable Oil Furnaces and Heaters, 
Oil Types and Filtering, Taxation, Implications of Vegetable Oil Fuel Use, 
Sources. Darren welcomes contributions from users.

http://www.vegburner.co.uk/report.html

Best wishes

Keith

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Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization

[francisco j burgos]

thanks again.
My stepdoughter came in my asistance and said the same magic words, kids are 
very good in this business.

Tks.
Francisco

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Francisco,

Hit the "Full Size" hot link. After it loads, drag the mouse over the 
image.

A small icon should pop up if you're using a recent version of Windoze
Explorer. Click on it and the image should appear full size.

Or just go to "View" on the toolbar and hit "View Fullscreen."

Voila!!!

Todd Swearingen

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Attention: Mr.Todd Swearingen

Dear Mr. Swearingen:
many, many thanks for your prompt replay and valuable information.
Yes, I agree with you... in my case I am willing to pay the fair price 
for pertinent plans.

By the way, my PC ought to have a problem since can not Full-size image.
Yours truly,
Francisco J. Burgos

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Francisco,

People who have detailed plans for biorefineries in their possession 
have either paid for their copies (which probably means they legally 
aren't allowed to distribute them beyond their own use) or have sweated 
bullets and watched their bank account dwindle developing and having 
them drawn out.


I don't know where you're going to find anyone who's willing to just 
hand you a set of detailed plans out of the kindness of their heart.


On the other hand, you can find a schematic of what is required to 
manufacture biodiesel in a responsible, cradle-to-grave fashion on the 
internet.at  http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html


The rest is up to your level of experience with biodiesel and your 
imagination.


Todd Swearingen

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Dear pals:
could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, 
isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- 
industrial  (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?.

Thanks,
Francisco J. burgos




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Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization

[francisco j burgos]

Dear Mr. Swearingen:
many, many thanks for your prompt replay and valuable information.
Yes, I agree with you... in my case I am willing to pay the fair price for 
pertinent plans.

By the way, my PC ought to have a problem since can not Full-size image.
Yours truly,
Francisco J. Burgos

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Francisco,

People who have detailed plans for biorefineries in their possession have 
either paid for their copies (which probably means they legally aren't 
allowed to distribute them beyond their own use) or have sweated bullets 
and watched their bank account dwindle developing and having them drawn 
out.


I don't know where you're going to find anyone who's willing to just hand 
you a set of detailed plans out of the kindness of their heart.


On the other hand, you can find a schematic of what is required to 
manufacture biodiesel in a responsible, cradle-to-grave fashion on the 
internet.at  http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html


The rest is up to your level of experience with biodiesel and your 
imagination.


Todd Swearingen

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Dear pals:
could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, 
isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- 
industrial  (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?.

Thanks,
Francisco J. burgos

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Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization

[francisco j burgos]

could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, 
isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- 
industrial  (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?.

Thanks,
Francisco J. burgos 

Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst

[francisco j burgos]

I happen to have access to fat/oil from a tannery "fat trap", which of 
course contains certain amount of chrome salts...
Would it be reasonable to think that during "acid esterification" the chrome 
would become water soluble and then can be eliminated futherly when the 
biodiesel obtained  via "basic esterification" is water washed?.
So, assumming that  produced biodiesel would contains minute amount of 
chrome,  can it be used legally as fuel?.

Are there any limits for chrome content in biodiesel?.
Thanks,
Francisco

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Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:29 PM
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Hello Iwan


Dear,

I have an laboratorium experiment about biodiesel from crude palm oil 
(CPO). my CPO have high FFA (acid value 46)


There was quite a lot of discussion of processing CPO with high FFA 
content a while ago at the Biofuels-biz list (since closed, its functions 
taken  over by the Biofuel list). The list archives is still available - 
do a search here for "Allen":


http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Information Archive at NNYTech

Check messages titled "High FFA oils" and "hi ffa feed stocks".

first, I try to remove the FFA with esterification. I used cation 
exchanger (Amberlite) as catalyst. its succes to reduce the acid value 
from 46 to 1.3.


then, transesterified using KOH as catalyst. after this reaction, I wash 
the ester using warm water. but, I found a lot of soap when I mix the 
ester with water. I can't explain why, may somebody help me?


It would help if you'd explain exactly what you did and what results you 
got when you mixed it with water - how did you mix it? What washing 
process did you use?


Best wishes

Keith



Regards,

Iwan Prawito


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[Biofuel] WVO esterification with heterogeneous catalyst

[francisco j burgos]

Senior Engineer
Engineering Center BPPT Indonesia

Dear Mr. Rahmadi:

1.- Do you estimate that is theoretically correct to say that after acid 
esterification (using heterogeneous catalyst) the remaining oils and fats 
can be incorporated into feed rations formulation?.
2.- Could you please tell me: Once the excess of methyl alcohol has been 
removed, is there any industrial technique (besides molecular distillation) 
that allows separation of methyl esters from mon-di-tri-glycerides (oils & 
fats)?.

Thanks in advance,
Mr. F.J. Burgos

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Dear Iwan,

In my opinion, you got soap because significant FFA still present in the
CPO.

You may either do the following two alternatives:
1. You may remove the free fatty acid in Crude Palm Oil by reacting with
NaOH and separate the soap using a centrifuge, do the transesterification
reaction and wash the products with warm water to remove glycerol, some
methanol and NaOH. You may use physical process of deacidification of CPO,
but I don't think it will be suitable for a lab scale experiment as it 
needs

high vacuum and relatively high temperature of operation and off course
availability of heating media such as steam or heating oil.

2. You may carry out esterification of Free fatty acid using Acid Catalyst
such as H2SO4, followed by Transesterification of triglycerides in CPO 
using

base catalyst. The rest, you may do the usual step by washing the products
with warm water and recover methanol using distillation and further
purification of your glycerol.
We have tried the method in our pilot plant (1.5 tonnes per day) in 
PUSPITEK

Serpong Indonesia, and it works well for the CPO feed stock that
characteised by high FFA content. I will leave it up to you the exact 
amount

of catalysts and methanol .

Good Luck,

Arie Rahmadi
Senior Engineer
Engineering Center BPPT Indonesia


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Dear,

I have an laboratorium experiment about biodiesel from crude palm oil

(CPO). my CPO have high FFA (acid value 46)


first, I try to remove the FFA with esterification. I used cation
exchanger (Amberlite) as catalyst. its succes to reduce the acid value 
from

46 to 1.3.


then, transesterified using KOH as catalyst. after this reaction, I wash
the ester using warm water. but, I found a lot of soap when I mix the 
ester

with water. I can't explain why, may somebody help me?


Regards,

Iwan Prawito


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Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst

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could you please indicate Amberlite type you used?.
Did you removed water in as much it was formed?.
Could you describe the "reactor" you used, specially how you placed the 
catalyst?.

Many thanks in advance,
Francisco

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Iwan,

Please take a moment to quantify/describe and identify the location of 
what you perceive to be "a lot of soap."



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Dear,

I have an laboratorium experiment about biodiesel from crude palm oil 
(CPO). my CPO have high FFA (acid value 46)


first, I try to remove the FFA with esterification. I used cation 
exchanger (Amberlite) as catalyst. its succes to reduce the acid value 
from 46 to 1.3.


then, transesterified using KOH as catalyst. after this reaction, I wash 
the ester using warm water. but, I found a lot of soap when I mix the 
ester with water. I can't explain why, may somebody help me?


Regards,

Iwan Prawito


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Re: [Biofuel] paper chromatography

[francisco j burgos]

your news are very interesting, could you please indicate where I can get 
copy of the method of thin Layer Chromatography for the biodiesel quality 
analysis ?.

Thanks,
F.J. Burgos

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I have a student who is studying biodiesel as his chemistry project. We 
have

located a method of thin Layer Chromatography for the quality analysis but
he also wants to try paper chromatography. We ahve tried some solvents but
they only work for the glycerides layer. Does anyone have a method that
works for paper chromatography.


regards


Liz Palmer
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Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha

[francisco j burgos]

muchas gracias
F.

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Francisco
1) I am please to share with you my views about Jatropha after a detailed 
literature research during the last 2 years. We are about to start a work 
to "domesticate" Jatropha here in Brasil.


2) Those are the figures I am using for a local project using Jatropha 
curcas L.


*Planting*: 2 a 3 kg of _*seeds *_per hectare.(Approx. 1.300 seeds / Kg.). 
Assume 50% of seed will not generate healthy plants.**


*Potential  harvesting  ( _seeds_ not fruit ) *

*1¼ year*130   kg/ha**

*2¼  *520   kg/ ha

*3¼*1300   kg/ha

*4¼*2600   kg/ha

*5¼*4160   kg/ha

*6¼ till  30¼ year*6300   kg/ha

*Harvesting :* 1.300 a 2.500 kg _*seeds*_ per  hectare  third  year and on

*Productivity harvesting ( man hour ):* 2 kg a 3 kg seeds/ men hour  there 
are no  mechanical equipment for jatropha yet. Assume  will maintain plant 
height at 2m. at the most.


*Oil content*: 5kg a 5,5 kg of seed has 1,25 litres a 1,48 liters of oil. 
( 25% up to 35% content of oil )To run calculations  be conservative like 
i am as of now. There are no scientific hard data on this . First large 
experiment is being conduct by Daimler Benz at Gujarat, India .So far so 
good.


<>*__**__**__*Oil pressing efficiency: *__* 80 % o the potential oil  (1,0 
liters a 1,19 liters per hour ) (semi-industrial)

Cleaning efficiency: about  90 %

Transesterification: about 97% efficient

You have to dry the fruit in the shadow. Peel it clean the seed and than 
press it properly. *Very important to press it properly and degum the pure 
oil in order to get a good biodiesel at the end. There are few critical 
tricks.*


Pls note my numbers are *conservative not pessimistic not optimistic*. I 
contacted Africa, Germany ( Gtz, Reinhard at Hoekeheim University, etc. ) 
India ( Dr.  Satish, etc. ) and Nicaragua and came up with above figures. 
Actual numbers will be better than those prior indicated so you can run a 
sensitivity for a 10% increase on final number of biodiesel.. Actual 
numbers will be in this range


Saludos y Feliz a–o a todos
Chico (Francisco Ramos from Rio de Janeiro and Santiago de Compostela )


francisco j burgos wrote:


Dear  Andrew Lowe:
Many thanks,
Francisco.

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francisco j burgos wrote:


Dear Crystal:
could you please tell me the Jatropha nuts oil production in 
litres/hect or gallon/acre?.

Tks,
Francisco.

Have a look on Journey to Forever, 
http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html. The values here 
correspond with values I've seen from a few other sources.


Regards,
Andrew


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Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha

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Many thanks,
Francisco.

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francisco j burgos wrote:

Dear Crystal:
could you please tell me the Jatropha nuts oil production in litres/hect 
or gallon/acre?.

Tks,
Francisco.

Have a look on Journey to Forever, 
http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html. The values here 
correspond with values I've seen from a few other sources.


Regards,
Andrew


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Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha

[francisco j burgos]

could you please tell me the Jatropha nuts oil production in litres/hect or 
gallon/acre?.

Tks,
Francisco.

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  Hello everyone!

  I want to find out if there is a market for Jatropha nuts (for
  bio-fuel) within Australia and if so how do I go about planting my own
  crop so to say? I want to plant htem from cuttings as I have found out
  that this way has a higher survival rate than that of crops started
  from seeds. I need to know where I would purchase a Jatropha plant or
  if there is a supplier who I can purchase clippings from.  How does
  one go about this? Who might one talk to about this?  Does anyone have
  a clue? I've been searching for months now with no success

  Frustrated~! Crystal, WA
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Fw: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel

[francisco j burgos]

gasoline tank?.
If answer is yes, how much?.
Thanks,
Francisco. 

Re: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants

[francisco j burgos]

I am certainly interested in your products. Could you pls send me list and 
prices?.

Tks, Francisco J. Burgos

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We can supply additive packages that you can add to your own cold pressed 
or in some cases solvent extracted oil, to make various lubricants.

We can also supply plant oil based lubricants as manufactured products.

Contact me off list for details


Regards,

Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc.
 Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
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Dear  Dave:
when you find it , pls pass the word.
Thanks, Francisco

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Hello, I am looking for biodegradable, 100% (or 99.9%) plant derived 
2-stroke

and 4-stroke motor oils and lubricants. We have many vehicles running on
ethanol, biodiesel and SVO, and just hate the idea of putting in petro
motor oil on our next oil changes. We are looking for a bulk buy of some
sort, maybe even a distributorship, but haven't had luck locating a
business which markets 100% biooil for use in 4 stroke engines. Any help
is appreciated, I know its out there. Thanks!
Dave
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Re: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants

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when you find it , pls pass the word.
Thanks, Francisco

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Hello, 


I am looking for biodegradable, 100% (or 99.9%) plant derived 2-stroke
and 4-stroke motor oils and lubricants. We have many vehicles running on
ethanol, biodiesel and SVO, and just hate the idea of putting in petro
motor oil on our next oil changes. We are looking for a bulk buy of some
sort, maybe even a distributorship, but haven't had luck locating a
business which markets 100% biooil for use in 4 stroke engines. Any help
is appreciated, I know its out there. Thanks!

Dave

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It is common to blend Biodiesel with regular Diesel fuel... I wonder if are 
there some other fuels and/or solvents compatible with the Biodiesel that 
can be blend with it besides regular Diesel fuel.
Thanks, F 


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Re: [Biofuel] New Florida Voting Machines

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machines. F

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Whahahahah! I needed a good laugh, thanks.

Luc
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Florida voting machine. On line demo.

http://www.boomchicago.nl/Section/Videos/BoomChicagoVotingMachine
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[Biofuel] Biofuel USA goberment set standars

[francisco j burgos]

Could you please indicate me where to learn about biofuel  USA government 
set standards?.

I will appreciate very mich your help.
F.
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Hi everyone,

I am looking for some help regarding the formation of a small commercial 
operation. It appears as though there are many different ways and formulas 
to create biodiesel but what I am looking for is the most effective way to 
make biodiesel that will meet the government set standards. As well, I need 
to create a system that will handle a fairly large volume and am unsure as 
to where to start. Can anyone help lead me in the right direction?

Thanks
Todd
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Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol

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F.
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Do any one knows the chemical name or trade name of red dye to color 
diesel fuel?.


Unisol.


Tks, F.


~Leif
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Re: [Biofuel] VW warranty IMPORT/EXPORT

[francisco j burgos]

Could you please indicate me the pertinent international code number which 
is applied by Customs in Germany and USA  to  a fuel as such as Biodiesel (B 
100; B 85; .B 5; etc). I assume that regular Diesel 100%  also have an 
international code number, any one knows code numbers for those products?.
Example, for certain mineral oil based aditive the Customs code number is: 
38.11.21.20.90 and if it is imported by a Venezuelan buyer  the duties 
charged are 5%.

Thanks in advance, F.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:38 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] VW warranty


I find the following policy of VW America hard to fathom. Really outrageous!

Sorry if I'm double posting this, but I can't seem to access your list
anymore, so don't know whats going on.

Tom Leue


 Original Message 
Subject: RE: Product Information 9/30 mh
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:10:51 -0400
From: VIC Web Responses <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Dear Sailesh,

Thank you for visiting the Volkswagen Web site. We appreciate your inquiry
on Volkswagen's position on using biodiesel fuel.

B100 stands for 100% biodiesel. It is a diesel fuel derived from biomass
feedstock such as soybeans. It can be blended with regular diesel fuel (B20
= 20% biodiesel/80% regular diesel, for example). In Europe our diesel
engines are certified to operate any blend of the biodiesel that is
available in Europe. European biodiesel is different than biodiesel in the
U.S. since it is produced from different feedstock (the rapeseed plant
versus the soy plant).

Our parent company does not agree with the specifications for biodiesel in
the U.S. and does not recommend its use in any percentage. Using biodiesel
will invalidate our warranty.

If you have any further questions or concerns, please contact Volkswagen
Customer Care at 800-822-8987.

Thank you for your submission!

Maria
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Fw: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol

[francisco j burgos]

Do any one knows the chemical name or trade name of red dye to color diesel 
fuel?.

Tks, F.

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol


My dad used to work for a fuel station that sold off-road and on road 
fuel.  He told me when they sold untaxed fuel and give you a container 
with enough dye to correctly dye the fuel you bought.   Apparently they 
are audited for the amount of untaxed fuel they sell and the amount of red 
dye the consume with not much verification on exactly how these two items 
leave the premisies.


kk

Kirk McLoren wrote:

I heard of a person who put red diesel in 5 gallon water bottles (lexan) 
and the sunlight caused the red dye to precipitate thus easily filterable. 
Lot of work I think to save a few bucks.

Kirk

Steve Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
don't get caught with red diesel in your tank. passenger vehicles don't
usually get checked, though my buddy, Eddie, did with his diesel suburban.


Steve Spence
http://www.green-trust.org
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From: "Greg Harbican" To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol




Nothing says you couldn't do such, one thing to remember that the main
difference is the additives, and that the slower running the Diesel 
engine

is, the heavier the hydrocarbons ( and lower the cetane value of fuel )


that


can be used, without to much problems. In theory, you could design a
engine that ran on heavy crude oil, but, it would need to be a slow


running


engine.

Diesel engines that run at higher RPMs, and Diesel engines that do a lot


of

speed changes ( low RPM / high RPM / low RPM / and high again, such as 
you

find with around town driving ) needs a lighter hydrocarbon, and a higher
cetane value for better performance. In theory a cetane value of about
45-50 is best for in city driving, although 40 would be fine for long
distance hwy driving, 35 should be fine for a farm tractor and oil 
furnace

use.

Greg H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kirk McLoren" To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 15:52

Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol




When I lived in Montana the local fuel supplier filled your winter


tractor


fuel tank and the oil stove tank from the same tank truck load. It was


dyed


red to stop its use on the highway.


Kirk



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Re: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel?

[francisco j burgos]

"white spirit" (1.-Common synonyms: Stodadart Solvent; Petroleum Spirits, 
Mineral Spirit; 2.-Common Trade names: Exxsol, Shellsol, Solvesso) is made 
of light aromatics (CAS N¼ 647 42-95-6) that comes from petroleum processing 
industry.  Some aromatic chemicals  in their pure state, at high 
concentration in air and/or skin exposure specially with long time exposure 
it is sayed may be carcinogenic.

Some one wrote that he added "white spirit" to the Biodiesel in order to
keep clean the fuel system... since white spirit is made of light aromatics 
(CAS N¼ 647 42-95-6) I wonder if it is legal in USA such Biodiesel/white 
spirit blend, if so, in which %.  It is very important to clarify this 
matter.

Thanks, F.

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel?



Just about anything in the usa is legal, except distilling drinkable
spirits. That you need a permit for. homemade fuels for personal use have
very few restrictions.


Steve Spence
http://www.green-trust.org
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From: "francisco j burgos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 1:13 PM
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Dear pals:
some one wrote that he added "white spirit" to the Biodiesel in order to
keep clean the fuel system... since white spirit is made of light

aromatics

(CAS N¼ 647 42-95-6) I wonder if it is legal in USA such Biodiesel/white
spirit blend. It is very important to clarify this matter.
Thaks, F.

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From: "Peggy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> To: "Anamaria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Antonio Moroc"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Diaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Javier

Pinto"

> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mar’a Gabriela Guerrero"

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;

> "Oslo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Anita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Barboza" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;

> "Duilia Tovar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jorge"

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;

> "Pilar Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:53 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel?


> Also has anyone created a file of biofuels rules and regulations?  We
> all need help.  I appreciate those who offered help in understanding
> their US state's concerns.  We should also include other parts of the
> world.
>
> Peggy
>
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel?
>
> Dear pals:
> is there any one who knows the international customs code number that
> covers
> Biodiesel as a matter of import-export?.
> Are there special regulations for transportation BD by air, road or
> seaship?
> Just in case I require to get some samples BD-100, BD-20 from overseas
> to
> compare with mine.
> Tks. F.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Saul Juliao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel?
>
>
>> Hi Ron,
>>
>> I live in Canada... I don't know if MF ok's it but I use Bio-diesel in
> my
>> old
>> MF165 which has a Perkins 4 cylinder engine in it.  I have had no
> problems
>> with it since I started making Bio-diesel going back to April.
>>
>> Saul A. Juliao
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I was looking at the Massey Ferguson web site and was wondering if
> anyone
>>> has run across the company saying it is alright for burning biodiesel
> in
>>> their equipment?
>>>
>>> Though MF is part of a larger company based in the US, I
> believe...the
>>> tractors are manufactured in Canada, correct? Would anyone living in
>>> Canada (the USA's best friend, I might add) know if MF tractors can
> burn
>>> biodiesl (OK'd by the manufacturer)?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ron B.
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Re: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel?

[francisco j burgos]

some one wrote that he added "white spirit" to the Biodiesel in order to 
keep clean the fuel system... since white spirit is made of light aromatics 
(CAS N¼ 647 42-95-6) I wonder if it is legal in USA such Biodiesel/white 
spirit blend. It is very important to clarify this matter.

Thaks, F.

- Original Message - 
From: "Peggy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Anamaria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Antonio Moroc"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Diaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Javier Pinto"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mar’a Gabriela Guerrero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Oslo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Anita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Barboza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Duilia Tovar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jorge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Pilar Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:53 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel?



Also has anyone created a file of biofuels rules and regulations?  We
all need help.  I appreciate those who offered help in understanding
their US state's concerns.  We should also include other parts of the
world.

Peggy

Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel?

Dear pals:
is there any one who knows the international customs code number that
covers
Biodiesel as a matter of import-export?.
Are there special regulations for transportation BD by air, road or
seaship?
Just in case I require to get some samples BD-100, BD-20 from overseas
to
compare with mine.
Tks. F.

- Original Message - 
From: "Saul Juliao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel?



Hi Ron,

I live in Canada... I don't know if MF ok's it but I use Bio-diesel in

my

old
MF165 which has a Perkins 4 cylinder engine in it.  I have had no

problems

with it since I started making Bio-diesel going back to April.

Saul A. Juliao

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Folks,

I was looking at the Massey Ferguson web site and was wondering if

anyone

has run across the company saying it is alright for burning biodiesel

in

their equipment?

Though MF is part of a larger company based in the US, I

believe...the

tractors are manufactured in Canada, correct? Would anyone living in
Canada (the USA's best friend, I might add) know if MF tractors can

burn

biodiesl (OK'd by the manufacturer)?

Thanks,
Ron B.


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Re: [Biofuel] Net environmental concerns

[francisco j burgos]

Up to now seems like the balance is favourable to WVO... I still have a 
doubt: how to dispose the wastes... glicerine really looks very dirt ( but 
saleable) and the wash waters are alcaline... any one knows how to 
industially reclaim the waste/spent solutions or at least dispose them 
safely?.

Tks, F.

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 5:12 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Net environmental concerns


Correct me if I am wrong...but while it seems that burning WVO of unknown 
content may potentially emit more of some harmful emissions at the 
tailpipe than other fuels, it seems that a lifecycle look may still reveal 
a net environmental benefit...no?


When one collects WVO from the local fryer, all of the energy used to 
drill, transport, and refine crude is avoided. The emissions from that 
energy consumption is surly not negligible and must be considered as an 
output when using those fuels. What about the damage to ecosystems from 
drilling/mining? Then there is the threat of crude oil spills.  Then there 
is the potential reduction of illegal grease dumping which leads to 
massive water pollution problems due to sewage system blockage (Look at 
Atlanta, GA for a great example). That is also giving no consideration to 
the massive damage done by nations in efforts to secure oil supplies. 
While some harmful emissions are raised, others are reduced. Carbon 
emissions being net zero, Sulfur Oxides almost zero... The list of 
positives (even just within the environmental consideration) still seems 
to still outweigh the negatives. Is this a fair assumption?

-Rob


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Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol

[francisco j burgos]

Dear pal:
I would be delighted to learn about your technique on how to arrange
a petrol (gasoline) motor to work smoothly on motor paraffin (kerosene).
Thanks in advance, F.

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Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 8:29 AM
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Hello Max




Hello Phil!

If you wish, and Keith allows us to talk in depth about how to arrange
a petrol (gasoline) motor to work smoothly on motor paraffin (kerosene),
I can offer you my experience of 13 years and over 100.000 km with two
of my cars. Both driven by "motorpetroleum" and water"injection" (actually
suctioned by the motor itself, the same way as the fuel).


You certainly don't need me to allow you, nor anyone else. I know you have 
an interesting story to tell, please go right ahead.


Best wishes

Keith



Max Gasman


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Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel?

[francisco j burgos]

is there any one who knows the international customs code number that covers 
Biodiesel as a matter of import-export?.

Are there special regulations for transportation BD by air, road or seaship?
Just in case I require to get some samples BD-100, BD-20 from overseas to 
compare with mine.

Tks. F.

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From: "Saul Juliao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel?



Hi Ron,

I live in Canada... I don't know if MF ok's it but I use Bio-diesel in my 
old

MF165 which has a Perkins 4 cylinder engine in it.  I have had no problems
with it since I started making Bio-diesel going back to April.

Saul A. Juliao

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Folks,

I was looking at the Massey Ferguson web site and was wondering if anyone
has run across the company saying it is alright for burning biodiesel in
their equipment?

Though MF is part of a larger company based in the US, I believe...the
tractors are manufactured in Canada, correct? Would anyone living in
Canada (the USA's best friend, I might add) know if MF tractors can burn
biodiesl (OK'd by the manufacturer)?

Thanks,
Ron B.
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Re: [Biofuel] running biodiesel in gas engines

[francisco j burgos]

sea level, which would be a reasonable gasoline-BD blend?. Thanks.
F.

- Original Message - 
From: "Gregg Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] running biodiesel in gas engines



Hi Jonathan,

A straightforward question deserves, & will get, a straightforward answer: 
Personal preference due to E-85 fuel is not available (that I know of) in 
Georgia. I've also read in my Chrysler Owner's manual that you have to use 
a special type of motor oil if you use E-85 fuel. If you don't, there will 
be excessive engine wear.


Hope that helps.

Regards,
Gregg

Jonathan Schearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Gregg, I have a question to ask you about your FFV T&C minivan. I have 
read that these are designed to run any blend of gasoline and ethanol, up 
to 85% ethanol. Why are you running biodiesel and not ethanol? Personal 
preference? Ethanol not available in your area? Just curious, that's all. 
Thanks. Jonathan.


Gregg Davidson wrote:Hi Keith,

Glad I could be of help to folks that have questions. I haven't had much 
time to make any more BD than the 5 or 6 gallons I made recently. I added 
about 2.2 gallons (a bit over 10%) to the fuel in my Chrysler T&C mini van 
earlier this month. The 3.3 L V-6 Flex Fuel engine seemed to like the 
that. Since the Jeeps are fairly new, I only add about .5 gallons to their 
fuel, while adding 10% to the fuel of my lawn tractors. As soon as I have 
the chance to make more BD, I'll use it more frequently in the vehicles.


Respectfully,
Gregg

Keith Addison wrote:
Hi Gregg

Thanks for this, that takes it all forward a whole lot.

Unfortunately, Franklin's email account has been non-functional for a
while. I hope he'll rejoin us and give us further news of his work
with biodiesel, in both 2-strokes and gasoline engines.


Hello Al,

I'm the one that posted a while back about mixing a percentage of
BD, about 10 - 15%, with my gas & using it in my lawnmower, as well
as my mini van & Jeeps. It was sucessful. So far, I add BD to my gas
frequently. This cleans the build-up out. I noticed my mileage drops
a bit, but when I fill up with 100% gasoline, I get better mileage &
power. To this day, I have not had any sort of engine problems.


Do you have more detail on the frequency you've used BD?


I recall seeing something in the archives at Journey To Forever,


Not at Journey to Forever.


but since things have been moved to a new server, they might be here.


The list has been using the excellent Infoarchive provided by list
member Martin Klingensmith for the last two years, as Yahoo's archive
became ever more useless. That hasn't changed - all list messages
from the start of the list are filed at the Infoarchive, and
constantly updated. It has powerful and fast search functions.

The link is at the end of every message you receive:


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http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/


Now that we've dumped Yahoo we also have a new archive, where
messages are stored by the week, also constantly updated, and
viewable by Thread, Subject, Author or Date, but it's not searchable,
and it starts from when the list moved on 9 September.

This achives is linked at the top of every message you receive:


List-Archive:



I'm sure Keith can tell you if you contact him.


I did, onlist, but I shouldn't have to. It's even in the List rules -
more guidance than rules, though there are rules too:

"The archives contains more than 38,000 messages over nearly five
years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in
has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it
again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better
question and get better answers."

Everyone's been referred to that at least once. List members should
know how to use the archives and do it as a matter of course. The
Rules are here:

http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html

For instance, so far, apart from news items, very little that's been
said in the current discussion on Bush, Kerry, Iraq, Afghanistan,
Israel etc, hasn't already been discussed, affirmed, confirmed,
substantiated, debunked, discredited, blown right out of the water,
probably several times. A look at the archives first would yield a
better, more constructive discussion, from which everybody benefits.
Otherwise it just goes round and round, to little avail, and with
much more risk of it degenerating into a flame war.

PLEASE, everybody, use the archives!

Best wishes

Keith



Respectfully,
Gregg Davidson

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
Hi,

Sometime ago someone was talking about doing there own testing of mixing
10% biodeisel in gas, and running there lawnmower on it. I think that in
that same email, there was talk about trying the same test on a minivan.
As fas as I know there was never an email about the result of running
biodiesel as a top cyclinger lubricant in a minivan

Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan

[francisco j burgos]

Lo apoyo solidariamente a usted.
ÀPodr’a a grosso modo explicarme cu‡l es la ruta de su proyecto para obtener 
alcohol et’lico y adem‡s bio-diesel?.

Francisco J. Burgos-Navarrete
Ingeniero Qu’mico, M.Sc.
Profesor Adjunto UCV
Tele-fax: (58) 241-825-8728
E-m:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan



Hi!

My name is Juan Carlos from Tenerife and I recently tried to obtain a 
grant to produce the ethanol in Tenerife and the entire Canary Islands: 
The answer - no surprise to me (with a degree in chemistry!) "At this 
present time we are not interested." I provided a full business plan but 
no-one gave my project consideration. Is there a special route I can 
pursue to encourage bio-fuel in Tenerife. I will look into EEC funding but 
I do not think I will get much help here either. Any advise?


Thank you


From: Go Hoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:08:27 +0200

On 2004-09-30 07.05, "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Snip..

> Hell. I'd like a '48 Rolls Royce. If anyone has one, would you please 
> be

so
> kind as to e-mail it to me?
>
> Todd Swearingen


Here you go Todd, please find attached a '48 roller with compliments.

Ooops sorry, forgot the group strips all attachments - shame ;-)

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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel University

[francisco j burgos]

F.

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel University



Loughborough university in the UK are leading the way
in Bio diesel development in the Uk ui do not if this
helps but do apply to them
--- shashi kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 
Dear Friends,
 
Can any one help me to find the name of universities

in USA having PhD programmes
 
on Biodiesel  i have done my Masters in Botany in

India
 
Warm Greeetings,

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Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smartbombstoIsrael

[francisco j burgos]

6000M)(100) = 5% is the USA population respect to the rest of humanity...
F.

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Every time I start to believe that Americans can't get any more ignorant,
another one of my countrymen proves me wrong.


Israeli forces kill military leaders.


Since when are military leaders 3, 5, 7, 8 and 9 year olds?

I sure as hell hope your god lifts the scales off your eyes in a big hurry
Phil. Otherwise you're going to shoot yourself in the foot for yet a third
time today.

Todd Swearingen

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As long as the Palestinians only kill Israeli children & grandmothers,

let's
sell them the bombs.  If the PLO murders any Americans, I'd vote to 
*give*

the bombs to the IAF.
Pay attention to the news.  Israeli forces kill military leaders.  Then

the

PLO gets mad & bombs another bus load of children & civilians.  I guess

some

people think that is fair.
BTW,  anyone notice the reduction of murder bombings since Saddam H. has
stopped paying bounties to the bombers?
Suicide had nothing to do with it. These were / are murders for hire.

Phil
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Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs toIsrael

[francisco j burgos]

apparently humanity is a freak in nature... we are the only animal wihout a 
natural predator (that we know so far), this is one of the reasons we are 
spreading as a plague.

F.

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Hello All,

The Human Race is no doubt slowly destroying the
planet we inhabit. This continuous methodical
destruction will at some point reach critical
mass. Debates continue over Global warming with
both side attempting to prove it's existence or
lake thereof. When the focus should be on
addressing the known problems and researching ways
to ensure our future.

It never fails to amaze me that so many people are
enamored with blasting the United States and its
leadership and even going as far as labeling
America the Great Evil and comparing President
Bush to Adolph Hitler. I've read so many post on
this list attacking America and President Bush but
I have not seen any critiquing Sadam Hussein, the
Warlords of the African continent, Kim Chong-il,
or the terrorist who killed hundreds of children
in Chechnya. While it appears to be trendy to
criticize the US and it's leadership I guess these
people get a pass for their most heinous action
http://www.channel4.com/news/2004/06/week_2/09_sud
an.html (Sudan Crisis).

Ethnic cleansing claims the lives of hundreds upon
thousands of innocent people every year. It's this
fact that people from different religious and
ethnic groups around the world can't accept each
other that fuels many of the wars of today. Don't
get me wrong, I don't believe for one minute that
oil is not an important part of why American
troops are in Iraq today. It is a simple fact that
if a country needs a resource that they are
lacking, they will go to war to get it, or protect
it. That is one of the primary reasons for Japan's
invasion of China in WWII and it's attack on Pearl
Harbor. The global shortage of today is primarily
energy, mostly in the form of oil. And it's
getting worse
http://www.janes.com/business/news/fr/fr040421_1_n
.shtml (Oil Crisis). But soon there will be
another major resource that wars will be waged
over
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/w
orld/2000/world_water_crisis/default.stm (Water
Crisis). Which will in turn produce another
resource shortage the will generate even more wars
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0831-01.ht
m (Food Crisis).

But then there is one more crisis that may very
well be the end to resource shortages, wars, and
our planet killing lifestyles.
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns999
96114 (AIDS Epidemic). If this crisis is left
unchecked it could reduce the global population to
levels where the available resources can then meet
the demand and wars will not be so necessary for
ensuring a future existence.

I don't believe governments of the world hold the
solution to our problems. If consumers stop buying
certain products or services all together, then
pretty soon those products and services will be
gone. Countries can correct their unemployment
rates and trade deficits without government
intervention when their citizens buy products
produced within their own country. If we, the
citizens of the world would simply do as I have
read many post hear before, produce some(food,
fuel, etc) for yourself with a little extra for
our neighbor then we can stop the methodical
destruction of our world. But thinking the
governments of this world will take the lead is a
fallacy. It's grass roots or bust!


Of course, who would care what I have to
say...really. I'm just an American "Redneck" with
a low IQ of 160.

If you read this far I hope you can accept me for
who I am and work with me in spite of our
differences so that we can "together" make a
difference in saving this planet we share.

Tim

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Israel


Hallo All,

Tuesday, 28 September, 2004, 09:39:31, you wrote:


Hi Hakan,
Thanks for your reply, but Luc in a previous

post (Why We Cannot Win),

mentioned it was the duty of a soldier to refuse

to fight in an illegal

war.

KA> Is it a soldier's duty to do whatever he/she's
told?

This  is  the  unfortunate  reality...you  are
told it is your duty to
refuse  an  illegal  order  but  if you do refuse
the order you can be
brought up on charges and you WILL be told that
you obey the order and
lodge  a  complaint later.  You are damned if you
do and damned if you
don't.  The perfect catch22.

However  it  plays  out  you  will  find  that
the responsibility for
anything "wrong" which is done will be placed as
far down the chain of
command  as  possible  and  preferably  on  an
enlisted person.  If

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel University

[francisco j burgos]

what a coincidence, I am also interested in same Ph.D. program. Should you 
have any news, please let me know.

Thanks.
Mr. Francisco J. Burgos

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Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:52 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel University




Dear Friends,

Can any one help me to find the name of universities in USA having PhD 
programmes


on Biodiesel  i have done my Masters in Botany in India

Warm Greeetings,
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Re: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush

[francisco j burgos]

vice-presidents and/or CEOs (americans or foreigners) died in the WTC?. I 
assume at the time of impact they most of them must be on their posts. F.


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Subject: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush




Following some of the election speeches by Bush, he is talking by the 
3,800+ Americans that died at WTC. If I am not completely misinformed, 
about half of them were foreign nationals originally, but they must have 
been adopted by presidential decree or some other mechanism. A very nice 
gesture, but the problem I have, were they asked before they became 
Americans? I heard that if you are born on American soil, you are 
automatically American or have the right to be, I did not know that it was 
the same case if you died on American soil.


Hakan

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Re: [Biofuel] Re: Farmer's Lobby UPDATE

[francisco j burgos]

Friends:
assuming that the figures of 50 MGY costs US$79.5M are correct, then using
the size econnomy rule or the 6/10 rule; the answer for a 5MGY is US$17.13M
or US$ 18M approx., not US$25M. Verify the figures pls. F

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> >
> > I have quotes from some of the big guys for
> > what they consider a "Minimum" size turnkey ethanol plant, and the
> > numbers are scary.  The way I break it down, their quotes are around
> > $4.50 - $5.00 per gallon of annual ethanol capacity.  That translates to
> > a small 5 million gallon/year distillery costing about $25 million.
> > They would much rather build a 50 million gallon/year distillery for
> > about $200 million, since the same time and energy is expended in
> > designing each."
> ===
> Folks,
>
> Corn = Maize
> MGY = million gallons per year
> 50 million gallons = 189,271,000 liters
>
> On a previous reply earlier today, I was not correct by stating that the
> above 200 million costs were 4 times inflated (my estimate was $50 mill).
> An actual estimate below comes to $79,499,800 for a new 50 MGY plant.
>
> I would like to know if the turnkey distillery that Peggy was thinking
> about above, would use a wet mill or dry mill process. That could mean a
> great deal on costs per gallon of ethanol produced. A wet mill is more
> expensive to build and operate.
>
> New natural gas fired 50 MGY DRY mill plant quoted start up costs for
> ground breaking early next year (in $USD):
>
> Plant construction-   60,264,881
> Land & Development-3,630,000
> Railroad tracks-   2,435,000
> Admin building-  210,000
> Office Equipment- 75,000
> Computers,software-  100,000
> Construction bond-   500,000
> Const. insurance-120,000
> Const. Contingency-1,009,919
> Fire protect & water 840,000
> Capitalized interest-  1,350,000
> Rolling stock-   320,000
> Start up costs-8,645,000
> 
> Total 79,499,800
>
> Start up costs would be such items as fuel, corn feedstock inventories,
> financing costs, pre-production costs, working capital, chemicals,
> ingredients, and spare parts.
>
> 1) Let us remember that the 50 MGY output is a 'guarantee' and that in
> actual practice from previous plant experiences, the output is around 3
> million gallons OVER the guarantee after the first or second year.
>
> 2) These plants have all the bells and whistles today with regard to
> pollution controls and...you won't get a neighbor complaining about the
> smells.
>
> 3) Also, a co-product is produced for sale (protein feed) that can add 20%
> to the revenue stream.
>
> Ron B.
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Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate

[Francisco J. Burgos]

please share with us name and address of that  ac group.Tks.
Regards, F.

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Greetings,
I have just discovered that there is a group dedicated to solar ac and 
refrigeration on yahell.  It is called solar ac and has about 2000 
messages in its archives.  I have only read the first 25, but it is 
definitely a hands on orientation.  Just thought I would share.

Bright Blessings,
Kim

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[Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input

[Francisco J. Burgos]

TO: OLD FEITHFUL SMOKER

Would be a good idea to check the engine compression and injection system,
if they in good shape, so using the adecuate diesel fuel and "normal"
driving habits, smoke should be minimal... F

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> All diesels do that, because, the engine is working harder, so more fuel
is
> added to compensate.  Black smoke is also an indication of fuel burning in
> the exhaust manifold, which is also bad.   Lots of black smoke means your
> working the engine hard harder than you should.
>
> Find out what kind of diesel you are using #1 or #2, that can make a
> difference.  The #2 has longer carbon chains & lower cetane, shorter
carbon
> chains and higher cetane of #1 is better on hills, most fuel stations sell
> #2 in the summer, because it has a higher BTU content than #1 ( and so
they
> can claim better mileage ), but sell #1 in the winter because it makes the
> engine easier to start when the temperatures drop.
>
> If you want to burn up your engine, use the O2, if you don't, back off on
> the pedal, gear down, and don't worry about keeping up with the rest of
> traffic, and that will cut the black smoke as well.
>
> Greg H.
>
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>
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> > Yet another of my random and crazy  questions,
> >
> > It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when it starts or is
> > going up a steep hill.
> >
> > I recently discovered an oxygen tank in our basement probably for my
> > greatgrandfather.
> >
> > The black smoke means that there is an incomplete reaction probably
> > caused by insufficient oxygen. So what if I were to feed some oxygen to
> > the air filter of the engine?
> >
> > I know it will overheat because of more combustion, but theoretically it
> > shouldn't overheat too much since I wont be using it all the time and I
> > wont be playing with the amount of fuel injected.
> >
> > Kinda like a NOS system without the cooling and preassurising effect.
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> >
> > Thanks for your time if you bother to answer
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Re: [biofuel] Chemichal Drying

[Francisco J. Burgos]

Dear sirs:
I would appreciate very much you indicate the name and address (even their
e-ms is ok) of a couple of zeolite suppliers.
Thanks in advance, Mr. F.J. Burgos

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> I just ordered some zeolite, which can be used over and over to dry
> products. The water bonds to the zeolite because it is bipolair, while oil
> isn't.
> You can dry the zeolite and use it again.
> I'll keep you informed about my experiments.
>
> Met  dank en vriendelijke groet,
> Pieter Koole
> Netherlands
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> >
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Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Re: [Bioenergy] Termiculture - Termite oil (termite biodiesel?)

[Francisco J. Burgos]

In 1930 Germans obtained grease for fuel, soap, etc using insects(flys,
termites) and arthropodes (spiders, crabs) that were fed with sewer waters,
try old German technical bibliography, if you have any success please let me
know, I will appreciate it very much... F.J. Burgos

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> >
> >How much oil per lb? That is what I wish I knew.  There is no
> >information on this yet. None.
> >
> >Nobody has ever harvested termites on a large scale (as of yet) or
> >made any real investigation into the different products that could
> >be refined from insects such as termites. Termites do, however, have
> >a high fat and protien content, and some species have large fatty
> >deposits on them which are clearly visible. Termites are known as a
> >high energy food source because of this high fat content. There are
> >other goodies produced by termites also. Their exoskeletons are made
> >up of a "natural polymer" called chitin, a very promising and
> >valuable substance, which has many uses of it's own, and can be
> >converted to another substance called chitosan, which also is a high
> >value substance.
> >
>
>http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/courses/bae465/1995_projects/bake/smith/index1.html
> >
> >Uses of chitin and its derivatives:
> >One of the more important things that chitin, and its products,
> >could be used for is in treating burn patients. Chitin has a
> >remarkable compatibility with living tissue, and has been looked at
> >for its ability to increase the healing of wounds. There is also
> >evidence that chitosan can reduce serum cholesterol levels. More
> >research has also indicated that chitosan can increase crop yields,
> >and clean and clear up pools.
> >
> >http://www.psrc.usm.edu/macrog/sea/chitin.htm
> >
> >After extracting the fat for biodiesel or other uses (preferably
> >higher value than biodiesel if possible), and the chitin as another
> >high value product, you are left with protien, which also should
> >have value. Not sure about the economics of it, but with high value
> >products like that, it would definitely beat an energy-only
> >solution. Capital cost would also be much, much lower for raising
> >termites than something like gasification, pyrolysis, or alcohol
> >fermentation, etc, and it could be done on a small scale, for a
> >family farm!
> >
> >Concepts like this, making multiple bio-based products through
> >bio-refining of one feedstock source will outcompete simply burning
> >the biomass for it's energy content only, and will be capable of
> >paying a higher price for the biomass, leaving biomass power plants
> >and other facilities which use biomass for energy only at a great
> >disadvantage, if there is competition for the resources. Non-energy
> >uses will always win out in the end it seems! Energy is the lowest
> >value product and should always be the by-product of some higher
> >value use if it's going to compete, in my opinion. I didn't know
> >this before, but it seems to be all too true! Just a warning to
> >anyone who was thinking the way I did before I learned this! Energy
> >should be a byproduct of biomass useage, not the primary product to
> >have any hope to compete against fossil fuels, and in the future, no
> >biomass power plant (or fossil power plant) will compete against a
> >bio-refinery!! IMHO!!
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Matt
> >
> >
> >Tim Castleman wrote:
> >
> >>Seems an interesting idea - how much oil per lb of harvested termite?
> >>
> >>And of course, how many pounds of cellulose, on average would it require
> >>to reach maturity.
> >>
> >>No doubt different material results in different percentages of oil?
> >>
> >>Interesting idea, I like it! Other examples of domesticated: worms,
> >>beneficial insects, fertilizers - not at all unprecedented!
> >>
> >>Thanks for sharing,
> >>
> >>Tim
> >>
> >>
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