[biofuel] Good-bye
Dear Biofuel members: I have had my fill of the entire American, and President Bush bashing. The double standard of bashing our great country or its elected leader is highly respected in this group. But in return, any American / Bush praise or any negative view on any other country or the UN is considered in poor taste. Articles from extreme liberal bias press are posted as being Historical fact. Editorial Half-truths are built into stories and paraded as historical news. I agree with the fundamental oversight of this group of exploring new fuel sources. Working together to find solutions for the good of all. But bashing has just got too much. I wish a good life for all of you, but Good-bye Harley in Wisconsin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Arrogance of Power
Jennifer, Capt. USAF: Thank you for being who you are, and for keeping my home, wife, children, and grandchild safe. Harley in Wisconsin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:48 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Arrogance of Power Can all this liberal blame America crap20 of us may die now, so that 20,000 don't die later...get over it..i'm IN the military and you won't see me whining...get back to Bio-fuel matters...and CAN all this stupid and Moot political BS. Dissent once American troops are deployed = giving comfort, aid and incentive to our enemies, thus increasing the number of AMERICAN and Iraqi deaths likelyLets talk BIO-FUELS!!.. Jennifer, Capt. USAF Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Local TV Stations
Ken: Why do you need a local TV Station to tell you what to do? Harley -Original Message- From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:40 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Local TV Stations Our list has gotten so OT the last few days I'm taking the liberty here of going even further -- my apologies to those who aren't US residents at the moment. I just saw on TV that downtown San Francisco (50 miles north) is PARALYZED with demonstrations at this moment. I went to see what was happening in my own town San Jose, and quickly discovered that there is NO LOCAL TV STATION in San Jose any more (not a small city, mind you -- over a million). Well, there's a local station, sure, but they're not showing local news. They are a part of some conglomerate or network something and they're showing what's happening in San Francisco.. Say I wanna join some local demonstration in my home town, and I wanna do it NOW. Not having a local TV station to tell me what's happening is sort of disempowering. :-) So then I get thinking about divide and conquer. Anyway -- you other Americans -- you still got local stations? -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: Not getting emails - was RE: [biofuel] Re: Credibility Bomb
Thank you Keith: I don't think it is a virus on my end. I lost a year of date to a virus, one time. I prescreen all Emails before they enter my PC, and then a weekly scan. Yahoo must be having a hiccup. Harley -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 8:55 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Not getting emails - was RE: [biofuel] Re: Credibility Bomb Hi Greg and Harley I don't know what could be wrong, nothing that I can see - both your accounts are okay, should be working fine. Could be Yahoo problems, and could also be virus action blocking up the networks, or possibly your computers - have you checked? Let me know if you think there's anything I can do to help. Greg: You too. I have been sending in responses, and they somehow are not getting through. Some make it and some don't. The ones that don't make it through are not getting bounced back to me either, so Yahoo must be having problems. Harley -Original Message- From: Greg Harbican [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:50 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Credibility Bomb I know he does not know a thing about weapons. It does not mean that I can ignore what what is going on, it does not even mean that I have to like what is going on, but, I do think that to some extent, it is a nasty thing that may need to be done. For what reason? Best wishes Keith Greg H. BTW..Keith, I havn't recieved any e-mail from the group since I posted last time, Do you know what is going on? --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Er, right, Greg, you've got a label on him now, so you can just safely ignore it all then. Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] FW: Energy, Facilities, Power News
Energy, Facilities, Power NewsI am forwarding this months Facilities Power news letter. I sorry I have not read it yet, but it has articles on Sterling Engines, several Green power / Renewable fuels articles. I hope this is helpful to somebody. Harley -Original Message- From: Brian Douglas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Energy, Facilities, Power News AEE Energy Facilities Power News-EFPN Industry Professional: As an AEE member, e-specials subscriber or industry professionals, here are the latest news headlines... VERMONT WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY TO GENERATE ITS OWN HEAT AND POWER DTE ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES,TEZMAN HOLDING SIGN EXCLUSIVE DISTRIBUTION AGREEMENT Free Energy, Power, Utility Magazines Available... Vermont has selected Northern Power Systems to engineer, build and install a $245,000 on-site power system that will burn methane gas produced by wastewater processing to generate electricity and heat for the facility. The new cogeneration system will produce over 400,000 kWh of electrical output per year, equivalent to 41% of the facility's current annual demand. At the same time, the system will reduce the plant's CO2 emissions by over 500,000 pounds-the equivalent of eliminating 42 cars from the road per year. As part of its commitment to removing financing obstacles to such environmentally sound systems, Northern helped the Essex Junction facility obtain grant and rebate assistance for the project from various public and private sources (more) Holding announced today the signing of an exclusive distribution agreement. DTE Energy Technologies will provide its broad portfolio of energy|now on-site energy systems and energy|now Systems Operation Center (SOC) expertise. The energy|now product portfolio includes electric-only and cogeneration packaged systems from 75 kilowatt to over 1 megawatt, using advanced internal combustion engines, Stirling engines and miniturbines fueled by natural gas, as well as renewable fuels. The SOC is a remote monitoring and control system that ensures continuous reliability and efficiency. Tezman Holding will contribute in-depth manufacturing, distribution, and marketing expertise, coupled with a precise dedication to quality products and customer satisfaction. The agreement is for Tezman Holding's newly created subsidiary, Tez Enerji, to be a distributor of energy|now products within Turkey and the northern Cyprus Turkish Republic. (more) Free Energy, Power, Utility Magazines Available... No hidden or trial offers, and no purchase necessary. Publications are absolutely free to those who qualify. Browse through our extensive list of trade publications by industry, title, key word or geographic eligibility to find the titles that best match your skills and interests. Simply complete the application form and submit it. Sample Publications Include: Platts Energy Business Technology Is the definitive resource for time-constrained energy executives who want to sharpen their company's competitive edge Energy Markets Is the magazine of choice for busy power and gas professionalsControl Solutions Features provide how-to information that keeps engineers in the forefront of unparalleled changes in control technology and plant automation (more...) Building Developer and Town Buy Large Amounts of Green Power IEP Announces Energy Partnership with Corrections Corporation of America Just Released - SMALL-SCALE COGENERATION HANDBOOK, Second Edition A developer of properties and a town in Pennsylvania are two of the most recent purchasers of green power - - electricity produced from renewable energy sources. Their purchases demonstrate the diversity of U.S. companies and government entities that are buying green power. The Tower Companies, a commercial and residential building developer,announced last week that it will buy 24 million kilowatt-hours of green power over 18 months, meeting between 25 and 50 percent of the electricity needs for its buildings in the Washington, D.C. area (more) Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) announced today they have entered into an agreement with Innovative Energy Partners, LLC (IEP) to provide comprehensive energy management services. Through this energy partnership, IEP will manage all aspects of utility bill payment, tracking and analysis of utility data, commodity procurement and evaluation and implementation of energy infrastructure improvements for all of CCA's facilities located throughout the United States. (more) Is cogeneration right for your facility? This newly revised edition of the best selling Small Scale Cogeneration series will show you how onsite cogeneration can be used to increase your fuel efficiency, lower fuel usage, and maximize savings. As the technologies for small-scale cogeneration have advanced
RE: [biofuel] Water injection
Dear Jerry: The information on the water injection unit that you are looking for. Did they sell it commercially? I read about ( I believe in Hot Rod) and bought an water injector unit back in the early 80's. It had a vacuum valve that attached to the Engine Intake. The main body was like a windshield washer tank / pump. The water mister was mounted over the carburetor. I installed the unit on a 1976 Dodge Duster with a slant 6. I documented mileage before and after installing the unit. I never noticed a noticeable difference in gas mileage. Harley -Original Message- From: water_jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 8:26 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Water injection I have been looking for any and all info about water injection for gas engines. So far I have found the following articales, but I need more of the over all picture..(During the mid-70's, physicist Don Novak traveled all over the U.S. lecturing and teaching in his seminars how to achieve 100 MPG. He also testified, October 15, 1979, before a Wichita, KS, Congressional Committee on Reinventing the Automobile.[Comment: I have known Don for many years. Once he brought to my home, in the late 70's, two carburetors; one got more than 200 MPG and the other more than 100 MPG. I contacted a local politician, who lives in my town, and was on the Virginia Energy Subcommittee. I tried to have this politician meet Don and see the carburetors. The politician was not interested.])) other info was ... (EDITOR'S NOTE: People who read about Pat Goodman's water injection system (see Water Injection Wizardry in MOTHER NO. 59, page 46) may wonder about the differences between Ron's homemade carburetor squirter and Pat's more sophisticated - and, of course, more expensive - device))The follow info info came from Keith Addison(he was alot of help). (I suggest you ask the Biofuel mailing list, very likely somebody there will have it. In fact at least two members have the complete set of MENs:)) So here I'am with fingers crossed .. Can ANYONE HELP PLEASE? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] PENTAGON THREATENS TO KILL INDEPENDANT REPORTERS INIRAQ-innocent lives will be lost!
I make two Harley -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:26 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] PENTAGON THREATENS TO KILL INDEPENDANT REPORTERS INIRAQ-innocent lives will be lost! Not. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Josh Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 09:55 Subject: Re: [biofuel] PENTAGON THREATENS TO KILL INDEPENDANT REPORTERS INIRAQ-innocent lives will be lost! i would bet to say our group is 100% anti war (or so i hope) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Credibility Bomb
Greg: You too. I have been sending in responses, and they somehow are not getting through. Some make it and some don't. The ones that don't make it through are not getting bounced back to me either, so Yahoo must be having problems. Harley -Original Message- From: Greg Harbican [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:50 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Credibility Bomb I know he does not know a thing about weapons. It does not mean that I can ignore what what is going on, it does not even mean that I have to like what is going on, but, I do think that to some extent, it is a nasty thing that may need to be done. Greg H. BTW..Keith, I havn't recieved any e-mail from the group since I posted last time, Do you know what is going on? --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Er, right, Greg, you've got a label on him now, so you can just safely ignore it all then. Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] a few calculations on svo and homebrew biodiesel
Girl_Mark: I got the Zine today. Thank you again Harley _ US -Original Message- From: girl mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 4:41 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] a few calculations on svo and homebrew biodiesel Hey all, here's some pros and cons of the decision to make biodiesel versus getting an svo kit, note I'm not doing this as any kind of anti-svo sort of thing- but we are getting a lot of 'should I make fuel or should I get a kit' kind of questions, and I think it's useful to have these $ comparisons. I have gotten a lot of inquiries from people who say they're rather pay someone to put in a kit so that they can then enjoy free fuel, and I think I'm largely addressing that crowd here. With any changes in transportation choices there are usually multiple factors to be considered in making this choice, and it is rare that one single technology stands out as being better than any others across the board. Different factors mean some technologies (installed Elsbett kit) make more sense for some situations and other technologies (homebrew biodiesel) make more sense for others. I finally did some calculations on my costs for making biodiesel- 43 cents a gallon for chemicals. so I did some more very random calculating: $1000 cost of PAYING SOMEONE labor and parts to put some kinds of SVO kit into a vehicle locally, or just elsbett kit parts (I think) not counting installation (note that there's very cheap and good svo options, that won't cost anywhere near this much, if you don't pay someone for installation- and that most people probably don't pay someone to put in a kit for them) 2,325 gallons of my homemade biodiesel costs me $1000 in chemicals at $.43 a gallon If the vehicle this biodiesel was used in was a mid-80's jetta or Golf, getting as little as 40 miles to the gallon, then 2,323 gallons times 40 miles= 93,000 miles before payback on the installed svo kit versus learning to make your own. WOW! are you going to keep the car for this long? Of course if you for some reason got 50 miles to the gallon, which a dinodiesel Rabbit i used to drive did get regularly, it looks more like 116,000 before you'd get payback on such an svo conversion- of course, assuming a $1000 investment, which assumes you paid for someone else to put it in or you got an elsbett. And it all assumes that you dont' count your labor towards the costs of homebrew. That is a MAJOR problem for some people, and much less of one for us hippies. This 2325 figure by the way represents 58 small (40 gallons of final product, 55 gallon drum sized processor) batches. If you work with a larger processor, then it brings the amount of labor down dramatically because it still takes the same amount of time to make 80 or 120 gallons as 40. I have not done a good analysis of how much attended time I put into batches- and my equipment is very low-tech. Note that there is also somewhat of a labor input in SVO - prefiltering and stopping to clean out Racor screens for instance. this can be somewhat automated, but it's not easy.(in homebrew biodiesel the filtration is much, much easier). For two-tank svo'ers there is also a small ongoing cost in the form of startup fuel. If you are unfortunate enough to have a conversion that gets the 'short-trip problem' (ie you use coolant heating and go on short trips around town where your vehicle never gets the vegoil hot enough to switch away from the diesel side) then your startup fuel costs can be more substantial. Also I am not counting the cost of electricity or heating propane for this .43 cents figure, since I pay for neither at any of my three sites (the beauty of commercial leases where electric is paid in exchange for your dreadfully high rent), but using solar with a heat exchanger would offset the additional cost a bit. I am also about to start doing methanol recovery and will lower my chemical costs somewhat this way. My cost on equipment is as little as $50 for a processor and $10 for a wash tank plus about $15 for a filter, as little as $5 for a drill pump for filtration, about $5 for bubblewash suppllies (flea market air pump and new stones/tubing) and $10 for lab (titration and measuring) supplies, and $10 for a used (flea market)scale. Note that this setup can be used by several people making biodiesel as long as you have a source of free or cheap barrels to put 'to be washed' fuel into to get it out of the processor and out of your way while you make more batches. also I very much admit I am making somewhat of an apples and oranges comparison. Some of the people in the $1000 svo kit bracket, such as those paying Grease Monkeys to convert their vehicle for instance (well, come to think of it, I think they're spending more than 1000 if it's a
RE: [biofuel] Ford Ranger Diesel on eBay
Ed: Thank you. I just wish the Ranger had a extended cab. I only talked with the seller of the Ranger. I had no contact with the gentleman with the other small diesel trucks. Small diesel pickups are had to find. I thought I would pass it along. Harley -Original Message- From: Ed Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 11:53 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Ford Ranger Diesel on eBay Harley, great catch! You said you talked to the seller, do you have any details on the 3 Toyota PU's?? Thanks, Ed From: harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Ford Ranger Diesel on eBay Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:24:12 -0600 Sorry! I live in snow country, and have been looking for a small 4wd Diesel. I was in contact with the sell last night. The truck is only 3 hours from my house, plus I am off next week. Harley -Original Message- From: Frederick E. Finch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:06 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ford Ranger Diesel on eBay Looks like Harley got it!! fred At 12:05 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2407022917 For those of you, like me, who would like a _small_ diesel pickup. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] PENTAGON THREATENS TO KILL INDEPENDANT REPORTERS IN IRAQ
Keith: The report used the the word threatened several times, but they where personal interpretations of the reporters. Another guest on the show, war author Phillip Knightley, reported that the Pentagon has also threatened they: may find it necessary to bomb areas in which war correspondents are attempting to report from the Iraqi side. I doubt the Pentagon threatened to shoot or bomb reporters. That would be very uncivilized of them. Footage of the TV war correspondents, the reporters where dressed in military clothing. Helmets and flack jackets that looked just like current military personnel's equipment. I think the Pentagon is saying, if it looks like a duck, and is surrounded by ducks, it might be mistaken for a duck come duck season.Those new Moabs are not very good at deciding who is who, it only knows where to land. How would you mark, separate, or protect reporter from both sides? Harley -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 11:55 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] PENTAGON THREATENS TO KILL INDEPENDANT REPORTERS IN IRAQ Hello Vern I did not say anything about the role or importance of the Press, No, other than that if they get in the military's way that's just too bad, the military's got more important things to do than taking a bit of care not to kill journalists. I will leave that for others with more direct knowledge to sort out. To put my statement in simpler terms if a reporter is with the troops and he finds himself in the middle of a live fire fight and he decides to stand up to take pictures he may well get shot. Many journalists are killed every year in the course of duty (*their* duties). They take that risk, which is a rather different thing to the Pentagon threatening to kill them, wouldn't you say? In todays war if you radiate you will be just like standing up, and you may get hit. In any war that's always been the case. You've changed your stance a bit - are you still defending the Pentagon's right to threaten to kill independent journalists in Iraq? Keith Vern I think the point is that anyone who is in a war zone and feels the need to emit radio frequency radiation should expect to be soon visited by incoming rounds or bombs. The military is not going to have the time to sort it out or take the risk of letting it continue. It is just asking to get hit. Vern You also seem to misunderstand what a journalist's job is, Vern. The military is NOT more important than the press. They will have to make the time, like it or not, inconvenient or not. The recent trend hasn't showing them doing that. So the recent trend must change, not the press and their role. Keith Addison Andrew Preston -- Said: You seem to misunderstand what, in truth, a journalist's real job is. On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:20:16 -0500, Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I can understand the pentagons concern for the reasonable possibility that the Iraqi's could use the information being broadcast against us. That does not excuse their reported unconcern for the journalists lives. The journalists should also take into consideration that what they report could be detrimental to our efforts. If their reporting causes additional harm to our servicemen, then yes, the uplink sites need to be taken out. -- Andrew Preston yellowjuice2001 wrote: http://www.gulufuture.com/news/kate_adie030310.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Just answered your own question Was:: Hemp is not the myth that others would tend to propigate.
Natural Hemp base Rope. No THC content. Tons of it was grown during WWII here in Wisconsin. It still grows wild around here. Plus alot illegal cousin weed grown here. Harley -Original Message- From: Doug Allbright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:13 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Just answered your own question Was:: Hemp is not the myth that others would tend to propigate. A friend just told me that they thought that you could not import hemp based products into the US. But if my memory serves me correctly, I just wathced a news special here in Dallas that stated the DEA was trying to make any product that had hem in it illegal. Anyone have any feedback on this? In fact I think there are some shampoo's that have hemp in them. Thanks Doug -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:10 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Just answered your own question Was:: Hemp is not the myth that others would tend to propigate. The Anslinger -- Hearst hemp propaganda machine was funded by the BAA, Brewers Association of America. Some other fortune 500 like DuPont also backed it because hemp oil was used in paints. If you watch the credits in Reefer Madness you wil see BAA Kirk -Original Message- From: csakima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:48 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Just answered your own question Was:: Hemp is not the myth that others would tend to propigate. Have you ever thought that ... maybe these advantages is WHY the powers-that-be went through the trouble in swaying the public into making it illegal (Drugs being just the excuse used to making it illegal). Cause personally .. I think the same thing happened to ethanol. The powers-that-be realized that ethanol could become the DIY'ers KEY to self-reliantly making fuel for oneself hence the hiring of the ATF to make if difficult to have a homemade distilling still at home.Same idea. Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] And besides all that? You might (or might not) wish to look at hemp from the whole perspective, not just the narrow and simplistic aspect of oil. There is no other plant that can offer the combination of high biomass yield, rotational benefit and multiple end products. Five to ten ton/acre of oil, fibre, feed and cellulose with considerably less inputs than any other agricultural crop makes considerably more sense than pouring $80 of Round-Up on every acre of soybeans or rapeseed and achieving a considerably lesser total yield. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 3/10/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Ford Ranger Diesel on eBay
Sorry! I live in snow country, and have been looking for a small 4wd Diesel. I was in contact with the sell last night. The truck is only 3 hours from my house, plus I am off next week. Harley -Original Message- From: Frederick E. Finch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:06 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ford Ranger Diesel on eBay Looks like Harley got it!! fred At 12:05 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2407022917 For those of you, like me, who would like a _small_ diesel pickup. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Iraqi scientist says materials for nuclear bombs in hand
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020916-28573872.htm Iraqi scientist says materials for nuclear bombs in hand By Paul Martin THE WASHINGTON TIMES LONDON ÷ Iraq is already using copies of pirated German equipment to process nuclear material for an atomic weapons program, according to a former Iraqi nuclear scientist who testified before the U.S. Senate this summer. Khidir Hamza, who led a section of the Iraqi nuclear bomb program before his defection in 1994, said the devices may not be discovered even if U.N. inspectors are allowed to return to Iraq. The beauty of the present system is that the units are each very small, and in the four years since the inspectors left, they will have been concealed underground or in basements or buildings that outwardly seem normal, he said. Mr. Hamza was one of the first witnesses at Senate hearings on Iraq in July. But in a series of interviews over the past several weeks, he painted a much more alarming picture than was laid out before the Senate or in a widely discussed report released last week by the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies. That study concluded that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's regime could make an atomic bomb within months if it succeeded in acquiring the necessary nuclear fuel from an outside source. But Mr. Hamza said Iraq already has, and is processing some 1.3 tons of low-enriched material bought many years ago from Brazil. He maintained that Iraq has also been processing many tons of its own yellow-cake uranium, which has been extracted from large supplies of phosphates in the north. U.N. inspectors were shown 162 tons of the material before their expulsion in 1998, but Mr. Hamza said there are several other sites that can be used. The amount of uranium it already has ÷ conservatively estimated in a German intelligence report at 10 tons of natural uranium and 1.3 tons of low-enriched uranium ÷ is enough for three nuclear weapons, Mr. Hamza said. Before their expulsion, the inspectors dismantled an illegally imported German centrifuge that had been used in a program that progressively refines natural or low-enriched uranium until it becomes suitable for weapons. But Mr. Hamza, who was the science adviser to the Atomic Energy Establishment and later helped start and direct Iraq's nuclear weapons program, said by then the cat was out the bag. He said he suspects the Iraqis have taken advantage of the four years since the inspectors' expulsion to make numerous copies of the original smuggled centrifuge and are busily refining uranium into the necessary material for nuclear bombs. It's a relatively simple process once you have the plans and some experience operating one or two centrifuges, he said. The key was provided, he said, when German Karl Schaab showed the Iraqis how to build and operate a centrifuge in 1989, and later helped them build a second. Our engineers videoed as it was put up, so they could build identical ones. Then he also provided 130 classified documents and charts detailing every aspect of the construction. When the inspectors took away the original centrifuge, we already had the know-how. I believe there are probably hundreds of copies today, said Mr. Hamza, who now lives in the United States. They are easy to hide ÷ undetectable from satellites if built within or under other buildings. The problem for Iraq, he says, is simply to keep reprocessing the material so that after each run it gets more and more enriched, until it reaches the 90 percent level needed to make a nuclear weapon. The process can be completed more quickly if one begins with low-enriched uranium ÷ which is at 3 percent to 4 percent ÷ rather than only natural uranium, which is at about 0.7 percent. A really efficient weapons program requires thousands of such centrifuges, as each has a very small output of enriched uranium, Mr. Hamzi said. Further evidence that such a program is in place came this month when the United States announced the interception of a shipment to Iraq of highly refined aluminum tubes suitable for making centrifuges. The whole centrifuge method of getting to a bomb is much easier for Iraq than, for example, it was for Pakistan, which took 17 years in going the same route, Mr. Hamza said. They had to get it in bits and pieces, whereas we got a whole centrifuge and all the plans. Experts suggest the method being used by Iraq can take from four to seven years, depending on the number of centrifuges. Mr. Hamza said Iraq would have begun work in earnest as the inspectors left in 1998. This means, unless he's stopped soon, Saddam will have set up a whole nuclear bomb industry, not just have made a couple of bombs, he said. Iraq has repeatedly denied having such a program. It's not that Iraq has no material, said Foreign Minister Naji Sabri in a televised interview last week. From the
RE: [biofuel] Voice of Iraqis
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-taheri022603.asp February 26, 2003, 10:00 a.m. Voice of Iraqis Why donât antiwar types want to hear them? By Amir Taheri ould I have the microphone for one minute to tell the people about my life? asked the Iraqi grandmother. I spent part of a recent Saturday with the so-called antiwar marchers in London in the company of some Iraqi friends. Our aim had been to persuade the organizers to let at least one Iraqi voice to be heard. Soon, however, it became clear that the organizers were as anxious to stifle the voice of the Iraqis in exile as was Saddam Hussein in Iraq. The Iraqis had come with placards reading Freedom for Iraq and American rule, a hundred thousand times better than Takriti tyranny! But the tough guys who supervised the march would have none of that. Only official placards, manufactured in thousands and distributed among the spontaneous marchers, were allowed. These read Bush and Blair, baby-killers, Not in my name, Freedom for Palestine, and Indict Bush and Sharon. Not one placard demanded that Saddam should disarm to avoid war. The goons also confiscated photographs showing the tragedy of Halabja, the Kurdish town where Saddam's forces gassed 5,000 people to death in 1988. We managed to reach some of the stars of the show, including Reverend Jesse Jackson, the self-styled champion of American civil rights. One of our group, Salima Kazim, an Iraqi grandmother, managed to attract the reverend's attention and told him how Saddam Hussein had murdered her three sons because they had been dissidents in the Baath Party; and how one of her grandsons had died in the war Saddam had launched against Kuwait in 1990. Could I have the microphone for one minute to tell the people about my life? 78-year-old Salima demanded. The reverend was not pleased. Today is not about Saddam Hussein, he snapped. Today is about Bush and Blair and the massacre they plan in Iraq. Salima had to beat a retreat, with all of us following, as the reverend's gorillas closed in to protect his holiness. We next spotted former film star Glenda Jackson, apparently manning a stand where antiwar characters could sign up to become human shields to protect Saddam's military installations against American air attacks. These people are mad, said Awad Nasser, one of Iraq's most famous modernist poets. They are actually signing up to sacrifice their lives to protect a tyrant's death machine. The former film star, now a Labor party member of parliament, had no time for side issues such as the 1.2 million Iraqis, Iranians, and Kuwaitis who have died as a result of Saddam's various wars. We thought we might have a better chance with Charles Kennedy, a boyish-looking, red-headed Scot who leads the misnamed Liberal Democrat party. But he, too, had no time for complex issues that could not be raised at a mass rally. The point of what we are doing here is to tell the American and British governments that we are against war, he pontificated. There will be ample time for other issues. But was it not amazing that there could be a rally about Iraq without any mention of what Saddam and his regime have done over almost three decades? Just a little hint, perhaps, that Saddam was still murdering people in his Qasr al-Nayhayah (Palace of the End) prison, and that as the Westerners marched, Iraqis continued to die? Not a chance. We then ran into Tony Benn, a leftist septuagenarian who has recycled himself as a television reporter to interview Saddam in Baghdad. But we knew there was no point in talking to him. The previous night he had appeared on TV to tell the Brits that his friend Saddam was standing for the little people against hegemonistic America. Are these people ignorant, or are they blinded by hatred of the United States? Nasser the poet demanded. The Iraqis would had much to tell the antiwar marchers, had they had a chance to speak. Fadel Sultani, president of the National Association of Iraqi authors, would have told the marchers that their action would encourage Saddam to intensify his repression. I had a few questions for the marchers, Sultani said. Did they not realize that oppression, torture and massacre of innocent civilians are also forms of war? Are the antiwar marchers only against a war that would liberate Iraq, or do they also oppose the war Saddam has been waging against our people for a generation? Sultani could have told the peaceniks how Saddam's henchmen killed dissident poets and writers by pushing page after page of forbidden books down their throats until they choked. Hashem al-Iqabi, one of Iraq's leading writers and intellectuals, had hoped the marchers would mention the fact that Saddam had driven almost four million Iraqis out of their homes and razed more than 6,000 villages to the ground. The death and destruction caused by Saddam in our land is the worst since Nebuchadnezzar, he said. These prosperous,
RE: [biofuel] Pine forests may pollute more than traffic, industry
Has anybody read the report from Perrti Hari of the University of Helsinki, Finland? I found this article about smog from plant life. Does anybody know more of the report? Harley http://www.canoe.ca/LondonNews/lf.lf-03-13-0053.html Thursday, March 13, 2003 Pine forests may pollute more than traffic, industry By CP OTTAWA -- Coniferous forests around the world may be emitting more smog-causing nitrogen oxides than traffic and industry combined, suggests a report in the prestigious journal Nature. The report, released yesterday, flies in the face of the accepted view that forests reduce pollution by absorbing it -- a theory Canada relied on in demanding credit for forests as pollution sinks under the Kyoto climate change accord. But environmentalists aren't about to blacklist Scotch pines. They note forest emissions are part of a natural balance that has existed since pre-industrial times and say man-made emissions are behind most pollution and global warming. Scotch pine needles release nitrogen oxides directly into the atmosphere when exposed to ultraviolet light, says a study led by Perrti Hari of the University of Helsinki, Finland. Nitrogen oxides are smog precursors: they combine with other pollutants to form ground-level ozone, a major component of smog. The emissions from Scotch pines increase in proportion to the amount of ultraviolet radiation they receive, the study says. Although this contribution is insignificant on a local scale, our findings suggest that global NOx emissions from boreal coniferous forests may be comparable to those produced by worldwide industrial and traffic sources, the report says. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Antiwar protesters trash 9/11 memorial
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,207~12026~1234836,00.html Antiwar protesters trash 9/11 memorial American flags burned and slashed By Debbie Pfeiffer Trunnell, Staff Writer LA HABRA -- Antiwar protesters burned and ripped up flags, flowers and patriotic signs at a Sept. 11 memorial that residents erected on a fence along Whittier Boulevard days after the terrorist attacks in 2001 and have maintained ever since. However, although officers witnessed the vandalism Saturday afternoon, police did not arrest three people seen damaging the display because they were exercising the same freedom of speech that the people who put up the flags were,' La Habra Police Capt. John Rees said Monday. For this to be vandalism, there had to be an ill-will intent,' he said. Rees said in order for police to take any action, the owner of the fence would have to file a complaint. Jeff Collison, owner of The RV Center in La Habra, who has allowed residents to add patriotic symbols to the fence on his property, said he just might do that. Their free speech stops at destruction of private property. If they are allowed to come on my property and burn flags, does that mean I can go to City Hall or the police station and light their flags on fire because that is freedom of speech? To me, this is vandalism,' Collison said. Some residents Monday hung signs criticizing those who destroyed the display. Tracey Chandler, a Whittier mother of four who has maintained the spontaneous memorial since it was created by other area residents soon after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, said she was shocked by the destruction. They trashed 87 flags, ripped 11 memorial tiles made by myself and my children out of the ground and glued the Bob Dylan song to a sign that said, 'America, land of the brave, home of the free,' ' she said. The Bob Dylan song she referred to is With God on Our Side,' an antiwar anthem of the 1960s. It's unbelievable, because there were absolutely no political messages on this fence. It was all about supporting our troops, which could mean bringing them home, and about remembering 9-11.' Les Howard, a sociology professor at Whittier College, said the incident might be an indication of some confusion among people trying to stop a possible war against Iraq but uncertain how to express their sentiments. However, he said he does not condone the destruction of symbols important to those who erect them. Some think (the best way to support the troops) is to not question their role. Some think the best way is to pursue all means possible to avoid putting them in danger,' he said. That still does not excuse any desecration of people's symbolic participation.' Chandler said she plans to rebuild the Sept. 11 memorial. We are going to rebuild this memorial, and it will be brighter, bigger and better than ever,' Chandler said. Debbie Pfeiffer Trunnell can be reached at (562) 698-0955, Ext. 3028, or by e- mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] OT: Any Info as to recent increase in virus reception?
Murdoch: Why download a possibly virus infected Email onto your computer, check before it is on your computer. I use Avirmail as a pre-reader of my Email accounts, and Norton as my AntiVirus software. Avirmail is a free shareware program. With it I can view, read, and delete an Email before it is down loaded onto my computer. It also comes with a Anti-spam setting. I delete anything that looks funny, and upgrade the Norton every two weeks.I have attached the information on the Avilmailer program. It works very well for me. Harley http://www.avirmail.com/ AvirMail Unsolicited email is a weed that clogs all email systems. Nobody escapes. AvirMail is designed to save time by eliminating unwanted mail rapidly, and has some additional useful features. Preview all incoming E-Mails while they are still on the Server and before you download to your computer. Read each E-Mail, print it, filter it in the way you want to, immediately answer it and even delete it - all of this while it is still on the Server and before it is downloaded into your computer. Download all acceptable E-Mails to your hard disk using your usual Mail Client. Display up to 500 lines as a preview. Shows the size, the subject, the sender, the recipient indication and whether attachments were transmitted. The anti-Spam feature uses a powerful filter engine, with which you can define whether an e-Mail should be pre-selected or even automatically deleted, if they fulfil your criteria. You can reply to an email directly, without having to download it to your hard disk and activating your Mail Client. You can save individual ready to use replies. Each pre-written standard response letter can have its own reply address. This is serious email management software, and it's free! 2.36MB. Windows XP/Me/NT4/2000/98/95. Free. -Original Message- From: murdoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] OT: Any Info as to recent increase in virus reception? There has been such a recent increase in viruses coming in to my computer via email attachments (from unknown-senders) that I am wondering if anyone has any news or info on this. So far my anti-virus software has (apparently) stopped all of them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Gifts to North Korea
The US stopped the food and fuel shipments after North Korea announced that they themselves had broken the agreements and had produced a few nukes. Weapons of Mass destruction that they; North Korea could shoot into the US, with their long range missile systems. Recently the North Koreans test fired one of their missiles, that landed very close to Japan. This week two North Korean jet fighters flew out 150 miles into international waters and lock their weapons systems onto a US military C-130. Then turned off the systems and flew away. They are trying to be the big bully on the block with a weapon. It is called Blackmail. The US tried to culture a friendship, but you can see how that worked out. You can't pay someone to be your friend. Harley -Original Message- From: k5farms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:56 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Gifts to North Korea As an US'er. I'm really ignorant of their customs or ways, but correct me if I might be wrong. The US has promised fuel and power in exchange for arms reductions. They stopped sending fuel and NK has a slight problem w/ that. So, what kind of statement would be made if the US went in and offered to build enough ethanol plants, small ones, containerized, to replace all the energy they had promised. And then to be able to do it for decades, a sustainable deal to promote sustainability through a friendship that could only grow. Also showing the gov't what empowering their own people can do to morale. In reality, it would only cost 1/20 of what would sending oil every year, would they feel shortchanged?? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Gifts to North Korea
Kieth: I read the news story by Ms. Tomchick. What about this paragraph? By that time the Clinton administration was on its way out, unable to make any firm promises. Clinton managed to extract a promise from North Korea, however, to halt testing of long-range missiles, although no one really believed that North Korea has completely stopped work on its long-range missile program. After all, missiles are one of North Korea's main exports. (Remember the ship bearing North Korean missiles to Yemen that was stopped in the Persian Gulf a few weeks ago?) no one really believed that North Korea has completely stopped work on its long-range missile program. Did not North Korea announced it had also all along had worked on it's nuclear weapons program. It had two working nuclear weapons, plus producing one new nuke per month?So what exactly did North Korea give up per the original agreement. I am confused why is the US the rogue nation? I am not sure what the answer is, but how can North Korea be trusted on any agreement. I don't think bribing North Korea, to be good, is working. So why should North Korea be trusted again? Harley -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:02 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Gifts to North Korea Hi Harley The US stopped the food and fuel shipments after North Korea announced that they themselves had broken the agreements and had produced a few nukes. Weapons of Mass destruction that they; North Korea could shoot into the US, with their long range missile systems. Recently the North Koreans test fired one of their missiles, that landed very close to Japan. This week two North Korean jet fighters flew out 150 miles into international waters and lock their weapons systems onto a US military C-130. Then turned off the systems and flew away. They are trying to be the big bully on the block with a weapon. It is called Blackmail. The US tried to culture a friendship, but you can see how that worked out. You can't pay someone to be your friend. Harley Um, yes, well, that's one version of it, only it leaves out rather a lot. I've posted that link a couple of times now. Oh well, here's the whole thing - you won't like it, but history's not made to like: http://eatthestate.org/07-10/NorthKoreasWarlike.htm North Korea's Warlike Noises by Maria Tomchick January 15, 2003 North Korea has kicked UN officials out of its country, removed the cameras in its Yongbyon nuclear complex, abrogated the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and torn up a 1999 agreement to stop testing long-range missiles. It has said that any attempts by the UN Security Council to impose sanctions on North Korea would be viewed as a declaration of war. From this perspective--the portrayal of the current crisis in the US media--North Korea appears to be a rogue nation ruled by a madman. The reality is somewhat different. A little history can help us understand what North Korea is doing and why. After the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989, North Korea was left to fend on its own economically. Formerly dependent on the USSR for fuel oil to power its generators and food imports, North Korea had to quickly develop its export market and a way to generate electricity, or face collapse. This marked the beginning of the North Korean nuclear program, initially an attempt to generate power. North Korea began to build a nuclear complex at Yongbyon, a huge cave dug into the side of a mountain. It appeared, at least to the US and North Korea's neighbors (particularly Japan), that the Koreans might be hiding something, and the fear was that they might be attempting to refine weapons-grade material to make a nuclear weapon. Bill Clinton, with satellite photos in hand, confronted North Korea in 1993. After a tense standoff, the two sides reached an agreement. North Korea would allow UN inspectors and cameras into the Yongbyon complex and would cease work on a nuclear plant that could make weapons-grade nuclear material. In return, the US and Japan would provide North Korea with food aid, fuel oil to run its power plants, and would help it build two commercial-grade nuclear power plants, which would generate electricity, but not be capable of producing weapons-grade nuclear material. North Korea held up its end of the deal, and so did Japan. But the Clinton administration had a tougher time selling this deal to Congress. Congress okayed the fuel oil, but refused to approve the two commercial nuclear plants. Providing any kind of nuclear materials to North Korea was verboten. Indeed, it's possible that Clinton knew he didn't have the votes in Congress to approve the two plants; he may have agreed to that part of the deal simply for expediency's sake. (In other words, he struck a deal that
RE: [biofuel] Gifts to North Korea
-Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 1:00 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Gifts to North Korea Kieth: I read the news story by Ms. Tomchick. What about this paragraph? By that time the Clinton administration was on its way out, unable to make any firm promises. Clinton managed to extract a promise from North Korea, however, to halt testing of long-range missiles, although no one really believed that North Korea has completely stopped work on its long-range missile program. After all, missiles are one of North Korea's main exports. (Remember the ship bearing North Korean missiles to Yemen that was stopped in the Persian Gulf a few weeks ago?) no one really believed that North Korea has completely stopped work on its long-range missile program. ... after six years of waiting in vain for the US to keep its promises? I think your reading of the story is very weird. Before your quote it says: [harley3] Keith how did North Korea wait in vain as they continued building long range missiles and Nukes? If they never stopped making WMD, why should US live up to it's part of a already broken agreement?Ps...Just because I don't interpret the news the same as yourself, that is considered weird? North Korea held up its end of the deal, and so did Japan. But the Clinton administration had a tougher time selling this deal to Congress. Congress okayed the fuel oil, but refused to approve the two commercial nuclear plants. Providing any kind of nuclear materials to North Korea was verboten. Indeed, it's possible that Clinton knew he didn't have the votes in Congress to approve the two plants; he may have agreed to that part of the deal simply for expediency's sake. (In other words, he struck a deal that made him look tough and statesman-like while probably knowing that he couldn't deliver on his end and thinking that he could stall long enough to leave the problem to a future president.) In the meantime, North Korea got tired of waiting for construction to begin on its two promised plants... Right? Did not North Korea announced it had also all along had worked on it's nuclear weapons program. It had two working nuclear weapons, plus producing one new nuke per month?So what exactly did North Korea give up per the original agreement. So what exactly did the US provide in terms of its promises? [harley3] Why should the US pay for something it never received? I am confused why is the US the rogue nation? Well, if you really want to know, try William Blum: [harley3] Who is William Blum? http://members.aol.com/superogue/homepage.htm Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower by William Blum, author of Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War 2 I am not sure what the answer is, but how can North Korea be trusted on any agreement. How can the US? [harley3] More than North Korea http://www.infact.org/cowboyd.html COWBOY DIPLOMACY: How the US Undermines International Environmental, Human Rights, Disarmament and Health Agreements ... and the rest! I don't think bribing North Korea, to be good, is working. That's not stopping the US trying to bribe just about everyone else at the moment, when it comes to allies and Security Council members especially, and spying on and wire-tapping the latter, and when bribes don't work it quickly turns to threats and bullying. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/07/opinion/07KRUG.html Let Them Hate as Long as They Fear http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/27/international/27WEB-TNAT.html?ex=104 7447483ei=1en=c49116966b23e15e U.S. Diplomat's Letter of Resignation http://santafenewmexican.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=7234803BRD=2144PAG =461dept_id=367954rfi=6 Santa Fe New Mexican Few Major U.S. Media Outlets Pick up U.K. Report of U.S. Plans to Spy on U.N. Members 03/02/2003 In a story not yet picked up by the Associated Press, CNN, The New York Times and many other major U.S.-based news outlets, the U.K. newspaper The Observer published a leaked secret memo written by an official of the National Security Agency, instructing staff to tap the business and home phones and e-mail of key swing vote delegates to the U.N. Security Council. Here's the link to the full story on The Observer site. http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,905899,00.html Revealed: US dirty tricks to win vote on Iraq war http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0228-01.htm Published on Friday, February 28, 2003 by The Nation Buying a Coalition by William D. Hartung and Michelle Ciarrocca And, why not... Check out Nicholas Kristof's column yesterday in the NYT. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/07/opinion/07KRIS.html Losses, Before Bullets Fly By NICHOLAS D
RE: [biofuel]Diesel Catalyzed exhaust muffler
In the past. There was a thread, about someone looking for a diesel catalyst converter. The person wanted to further reduce their CO. Today I ran across the Fleet Guard Inc. Company internet site. No small company and it is own by Cummins.I thought someone could use the information. Harley http://www.fleetguardnelson.com/fleet/en/products/en_prod_ems_docatalyst.jsp Catalyzed Exhaust Muffler Performance Capabilities and Experience Oxidation Catalyst Control Capabilities a.. PM -- 20-50% Reduction b.. CO and HC -- 90% c.. Harmful HCs -- 70% Oxidation Catalyst Operating Experience a.. 30,000 Urban Buses in the U.S. and Europe b.. 8,000 HD Vehicles in Mexico c.. Hong Kong Is Retrofitting 2,000 Urban Buses and 50,000 medium-duty diesel vehicles d.. 250,000 Off-Road Engines e.. 1,500,000 Class 1 2 Vehicles (Pick-Ups) f.. 5,000,000 LDD vehicles in Europe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption
J-L: The big three are introducing diesel in their smaller vehicles. Change is slow, the bigger a company is the longer it takes for change. If SUV's got better fuel mileage would that make them socially acceptable? Most vehicles that are being branded SUV are actually utility vehicles, work trucks. The shinny toys are just more noticed. I keep seeing the king of the SUV's is the Hum V. But The Hum V has a very low center of gravity, and I believe comes with a 6.5 diesel. So if it is not the high center of gravity or the fuel mileage. What makes it so bad. I heard the same exact verbage back in the seventies when it was those evil pony cars. Harley -Original Message- From: Jean-Leon Morin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:09 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption I just wanted to help you out here after reading your response to Curtis's (Csakima) email. What I believe he was trying to say is simply this. SUV's do not have to be the gas guzzlers that most of them are to day. That they could be engineered to be much more fuel efficient than what they are today. And he is ABSOLUTEY correct. He never said that they could be made to be more fuel efficient than smaller lighter vehicles. - This is a valid point, however the question of why remains. I believe that the sooner the death of the SUV arrives, the better. I would hazard a guess that if the SUV became uncool, virtually SUV owners would be quite content with a lower, sleeker vehicle that, because of the inherent power draw of the 4wd drivetrain and bigger wheels, got better mileage. Few SUV owners really need an SUV. The ones who do don't necessarily want a watered down version. If people are content with the low ground clearance of a sleeker SUV, the aerodynamics of a wagon type body, the reduced rotational mass of smaller, lighter tires, I ask - what's the point? By trying to make the vehicle more car-like, you are making it more car like. The current trend of CRV, Rav 4, Kia, etc, is proof that people don't need a real 4wd. They need a subaru station wagon. I did not see where Curtis ever stated that he had better knowledge of engine theory than most automotive manufacturers. But who are you to infer that he does not? The fact is they already know how to do this they just don't. It cost more money to make them more fuel efficient. - Perhaps I was out of line. However, I personally think that automakers are doing a great job of offering people what they want. If there was demand for fuel efficient cars that are all wheel drive and get awesome mileage, they would make some. If everyone just work up and stopped buying these useless SUVs, and decided to get good little cars, we would have a lot more choice. J-L Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/abvVKB/pEZFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
Mark: He is an ex-Nam vet. He only has US weapons. The tanks are only a small part of his private collection. He also has helos, Armor personal carriers(APC). A little bit of everything. He has been in the local paper few times. He has permits to create a memorial to fallen vets. His place is 1 hour North of Chicago next to the West side of Interstate 94. Harley -Original Message- From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:19 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears Wow! Any German or Russian metal? Hey, fire them all up and it could be like Kirsk summer of '43! Mark --- harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hakan: Off subject. sorry, but 20 miles south of where I live. There is a gentlemen that collects and rents out US tanks, and APC. Old Sherman's to newer M-60s. All the guns are spiked and welded. I hear they are not cheap to rent but he has a open field that you can take one out and play. Harley -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears Greg, Absolutely and I envy you. Being in the signal corps the limit for me was bandwagon truck (wheel in front) and other larger/smaller vehicles with wheels. I started as communication specialist with Morse, codification and that stuff, but after a transfer the slots for this in the new place was filled. Since I had professional licence for Taxi, Buses and Trucks (financed my studies that way), I did some time on transportation support, when waiting for assignment. Finally I ended up as group leader for quality testing of electronic equipment/material deliveries. I would have loved to try or learn to drive a tank -:). Hakan At 10:42 AM 2/27/2003 -0700, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 01:21 Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears I'm sure that being able to drive a 62 ton M-1 Abrems, qualifies me to drive a 1 1/2 ton SUV. :-P Greg H. 2. That it is ensured that people who drives them have the necessary special knowledge to do so, by demanding that they have a truck license or similar. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/abvVKB/pEZFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
-Original Message- From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:00 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My concern is with a group of trucks and vans being demonized just because of their looks. Because of demonizing the standards are being changed. What is going to be changed? How many of you may remember Ford motor Company producing the F series truck with the light weight frames in the late 70's and early 80's. Because of the oil embargo back then. Ford used a new light weight frame for pickup trucks. The trucks did get better mileage, but they also start bending frames. Hauling large loads or snow plowing could bend the frame on your new truck. If you put a snow plow on your truck, you also had to buy and install frame stiffeners.So I am to trust a person or group of people that probably are not even able to check their own motor oil, to make engineering decisions due to look? Yes that sounds about right. I forgot they are the ones that decided my snow plow truck is an SUV. Harley Harley, You'll just have to do as I did, and build your own Snowplow truck. I built one for much less money than buying a new one, and then having to modify it to be usable. Older Chevies, with the 'dangerous' side-mounted fuel tanks, are available in junk yards. Carbeurated 350 CI engines are available everywhere, and many after-market parts are available to increase horsepower and efficiency. Mine will run on nearly any flammable liquid that I put in it. Motie [harley3] Motie: My Old snow plowing F-150 is still holding, but my concern was replaying the past. There has been a demonizing of SUV's. Somehow true work trucks and vans are getting thrown in with fancy luxury toys. Someone or group that doesn't know the difference between a SUV or work truck, is to be trusted regulating engineer specks. When does a truck become a car that looks like a truck. Personally I have been keeping an eye open for a reasonable diesel truck with 4 wheel to replace my gas burner. Keep warm in MN Harley in Wisconsin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Starting out from ground Zero
Curtis: Scrounge, become very familiar with the process, and equipment needs. Explain what you are planning to do, and discuss needs with friends, relatives, coworkers. You probably be surprised at what will pop up. Keep the group informed with your progress. Find a part time sideline job that you can do at home. Something that you and your family like and can be done as a group in your spare time. Family projects help with strong family bonding.Use that money to purchase item or tools that will help you make more money. Set a goal to work your self into a better life. There are no get rich systems, just alot of hard work and good planning. Harley -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:54 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Starting out from ground Zero I know there are quite a few people here either starting small biofuels businesses in the US or planning to - hasn't anyone got any advice for Curtis? One thing you might try, Curtis, is to join Biofuels-biz and ask again there: Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Post message: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com List url: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz Best Keith snip BTW, getting back to biofuels, I have a question. Right now, financials are not doing so great. Paycheck to paycheck. After bills paid zero in checking. Over and over again. Anybody's got any experiences going from that slavery position in life ... to a life mixing your own biofuels?? I mean ... how does one start?? I can see that ... once manufacturing Biofuels ... would really cut costs (in the family) as far as automobile driving costs go. And perhaps even HELP my littly crew get into a BETTER financial position (as Keith suggested ... and I do believe!). The problem is ... how does one start when already Pre-in-that-slavery-position-in-life-already. With not enough bucks to even START getting the raw materials?? Any suggestions?? Curtis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Engine Transplant
Dennis: A Drive shaft should be sent to an Auto speed shop. A custom car shop can usually build, balance, and test the shaft before it ever goes into your truck. Most machine shops can't afford special drive shaft balancing machine. You don't want an unbalanced drive shaft. Harley -Original Message- From: dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:49 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Engine Transplant yes that can be done, you will need different motor and transmission mounts. also the only real problem is matching the driveshaft, a good machine shop can make driveshafts. Ed Hall wrote: I've been kicking around the idea of swapping the 22R in my Toyota PU with a Mercedes 3L. The engine and drive train look like they'll fit (at first glance). Has anyone tried this? Or something similar? _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=17050832 69:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22l p?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: bursting point of drums?
I agree with Doug. Using compressed air is probably unsafe. A safety valve stuck on my grandfathers commercial air compressor, and it blew. Sending shrapnel all through his Auto body shop. Luckily no one was hurt, but many a car had holes in them. Harley -Original Message- From: Doug Foskey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 4:59 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: bursting point of drums? On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:16, you wrote: as far as a I know 55 gallon drums arent expected to contain pressure. That is probably why you cant find a spec for it. I would imagine that the ratings are more orientated to impact resistance and resistance to chemical activity. NEVER use air to pressure test a drum/cylinder. Air will cause the drum to explode once the limit is reached. Use water instead. Once the vessel lets go there is no more kinetic energy to cause a dangerous explosion. Fill the drum with water, then pressurise with something like an old mastercylinder from a car. This technique is quite safe, they actually use it to form those odd shape exhausts on some motorcycles. (For those interested this is how it is done: cut the sheet out in 2 pieces, weld around edge, form a circle at one end fit a plumbers socket in it, then pump it up with water. Some quite complicated shapes can be made using this technique.) regards Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: (fwd) a few new alternative fueled cars
Girl_Mark: I have been away from it for a while, but it use to be that you had to meet or exceeded safety, fuel consumption, and emissions standards for that year. And 4 tons of paper work. Harley -Original Message- From: girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:05 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: (fwd) a few new alternative fueled cars Every time I read a post like this I turn green with envy and get mad that they';re not going to be available here in the US anytime soon. ! ALong the same lines, anyone got any info on what it takes to import vehicles into the US which were never offered here- ie regulations - wise, would it even be legal for someone to bring in a Lupo for on- road use (not sure what other kind of use a lupo would be capable of) Mark Fiat Stilo A smokeless diesel Diesels, until recently famous for fuel frugality but infamous for smoke, are being tamed all over Europe. Fiat's Stilo 1.9JTD is one of the best- mannered of them all. Available in Europe for Û15 360, it incorporates both a new diesel engine, produced in conjunction with parent company General Motors Corp., and a particulate filter. The 1.2-L, four-cylinder engine begins with the known trick of pre- injecting fuel in order to increase temperature and pressure, then takes it further, splitting the injection into a series of closely spaced, smaller injections. The carefully timed dribble of fuel burns ever so smoothly, eliminating irregularities of combustion and thus heightening performance while reducing noise and emissions. Further cleanup comes in the particulate filter, a silicon carbide structure coated with catalysts that trap 90 percent of diesel particulates, enough to eliminate all smoke. When the filter feels it's full up÷after about every 700 km÷it heats itself enough to oxidize the trapped particles into carbon dioxide and water. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
as the government takes money out of my wallet for emission tests on my little car, I will always oppose promotion of the SUV. Also, one might be wise to realize that politicians who did not vote in support of or actively pursue an increase in the C.A.F.E. ( Corporate Average Fuel Economy ) standards can not be trusted with anything at all - period. Who in their right mind and with good consious can allow the production of 8mpg vehicles. Notice who of your state representatives did not do their job and let them know. Isn't it amazing that in these days of science and wonder that they make a car that gets 8 mpg? Even more amazing are the atitudes of the people who drive them. Do a little sociology game and make some observations about the people you see or know who drive SUVs. How about them No War for Oil stickers on the back of a Lincoln Navigator? Heh who are they kidding, how much prozac does it take to be blind of the reality that we are hostage to foreign energy sources? These bonds are our own doing. We as individuals will make our own freedom. Mark --- harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is how did a work pickup truck become a Sports Utility vehicle (SUV)?. I am missing that some how. I grew up on a farm, and we always had a truck. We where not part of the upper class. I must admit once we got our first 4 wheel drive, we never went back to 2 wheel drive. The mileage was never the best, but we worked the heck out of them. Either plowing snow or hauling something.Also the work vans and trucks used by service people, are they also being considered SUV's?Who made the decision of what constituted a SUV? Mater of fact what does constitutes a SUV, and why? Confused in Wisconsin Harley -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:49 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Automakers Oppose Increased Fuel Efficiency http://ens-news.com/ens/feb2003/2003-02-19-09.asp Automakers Oppose Increased Fuel Efficiency WASHINGTON, DC, February 19, 2003 (ENS) - American automakers say meeting a new higher fuel efficiency standard for light trucks, as proposed by the Bush administration, would carry a prohibitive cost. The three largest U.S. automakers - General Motors Corporation, Ford Motor Company and DaimlerChrysler AG - have filed papers with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration arguing that a proposal to increase fuel economy standards for light trucks by 1.5 miles per gallon could cost the companies billions of dollars. To meet the new standards, automakers might need to make trucks lighter, which would make them less safe, the companies said. Last December, the NHTSA proposed to mandate the small increase in the fuel efficiency of light trucks and sport utility vehicles (SUVs) between model years 2005-2007, boosting economy from a fleet average of 20.7 miles per gallon (mpg) to 22.2 mpg. The light truck standard has remained at 20.7 mpg since 1996, and the standard for cars has been held at 27.5 miles per gallon. Critics of the proposal say it shortchanges American consumers and national security because automakers already have the technology to raise fuel economy much more. The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) said an analysis of the proposal shows that what the administration is proposing is less aggressive than what the automakers have said they would do voluntarily by 2005. In 2000, Ford Motor Co. committed to improving the fuel economy of its fleet of SUVs by 25 percent over five years. Assuming Ford made no improvements to its other light trucks, its commitment would yield a 1.8 mpg increase for its light truck category by 2005. By contrast, the administration's proposal would give the automaker two more years to improve its light trucks by 1.5 mpg. But Ford joined GM and DaimlerChrysler on Friday in saying that even the meager increase proposed by the NHTSA is too much. In particular, GM said the mandate could cost $1.1 billion or more, and provide little economic benefit. NHTSA has
RE: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
who are they kidding, how much prozac does it take to be blind of the reality that we are hostage to foreign energy sources? These bonds are our own doing. We as individuals will make our own freedom. Mark --- harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is how did a work pickup truck become a Sports Utility vehicle (SUV)?. I am missing that some how. I grew up on a farm, and we always had a truck. We where not part of the upper class. I must admit once we got our first 4 wheel drive, we never went back to 2 wheel drive. The mileage was never the best, but we worked the heck out of them. Either plowing snow or hauling something.Also the work vans and trucks used by service people, are they also being considered SUV's?Who made the decision of what constituted a SUV? Mater of fact what does constitutes a SUV, and why? Confused in Wisconsin Harley -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:49 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Automakers Oppose Increased Fuel Efficiency http://ens-news.com/ens/feb2003/2003-02-19-09.asp Automakers Oppose Increased Fuel Efficiency WASHINGTON, DC, February 19, 2003 (ENS) - American automakers say meeting a new higher fuel efficiency standard for light trucks, as proposed by the Bush administration, would carry a prohibitive cost. The three largest U.S. automakers - General Motors Corporation, Ford Motor Company and DaimlerChrysler AG - have filed papers with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration arguing that a proposal to increase fuel economy standards for light trucks by 1.5 miles per gallon could cost the companies billions of dollars. To meet the new standards, automakers might need to make trucks lighter, which would make them less safe, the companies said. Last December, the NHTSA proposed to mandate the small increase in the fuel efficiency of light trucks and sport utility vehicles (SUVs) between model years 2005-2007, boosting economy from a fleet average of 20.7 miles per gallon (mpg) to 22.2 mpg. The light truck standard has remained at 20.7 mpg since 1996, and the standard for cars has been held at 27.5 miles per gallon. Critics of the proposal say it shortchanges American consumers and national security because automakers already have the technology to raise fuel economy much more. The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) said an analysis of the proposal shows that what the administration is proposing is less aggressive than what the automakers have said they would do voluntarily by 2005. In 2000, Ford Motor Co. committed to improving the fuel economy of its fleet of SUVs by 25 percent over five years. Assuming Ford made no improvements to its other light trucks, its commitment would yield a 1.8 mpg increase for its light truck category by 2005. By contrast, the administration's proposal would give the automaker two more years to improve its light trucks by 1.5 mpg. But Ford joined GM and DaimlerChrysler on Friday in saying that even the meager increase proposed by the NHTSA is too much. In particular, GM said the mandate could cost $1.1 billion or more, and provide little economic benefit. NHTSA has significantly underestimated the costs of its new standards, GM wrote in its 127 page filing, noting that the NHTSA said the fuel economy improvements would cost about $703 million. We believe that a more accurate assessment of our capabilities will show that the proposed standards are significantly too high. GM said it expected it could achieve 20 mpg efficiency by 2005, 20.1 mpg in 2006 and 20.8 mpg in 2007. Ford added that it continues to believe that uniform industry fuel economy standards are inefficient and unfairly penalize full line manufacturers, but said it has committed to meeting the new standards. And DaimlerChrysler suggested that NHTSA reduce its proposed fuel economy increase to 0.8 mpg, for a new standard of 21.5 in 2007. The problem with NHTSA's proposal, GM argued, is that it relies on technological improvements that have yet to be achieved. But a recent analysis
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel in MB 300TE? Or recommendations?
What are your long term needs, and goals, and rough location? It is hard to recommend anything with out knowing at least these basic questions. Some vehicles are better than others, but if is it not want you need then you will have little use for it. Are you looking for an economic daily transportation? Are you looking for a truck to haul items? Plus if you have to consider what vehicles that are for sale in you area? Dodge make a great truck, but the Automatic transmission is weak for any heavy work. Watch the used car ads, the Dodges will usually say rebuilt automatic transmission. I heard that Dodge now offers a heavy duty Automatic Allison transmission.The manual Dodge transmission is fine. If in question call a local auto salvage yard. See if they have alot of the major spare parts for the vehicle that you are looking at. If there is not alot of parts available. Then there maybe a problem, and needs more investigations. Happy hunting Harley -Original Message- From: Iam Presence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel in MB 300TE? Or recommendations? I am starting to look for the optimal vehicle for myself to run on 100% homemade biodiesel. I am wondering if there is anyone with experience using biodiesel in a late 80's early 90's Mercedes 300TE wagon or mid 90's Dodge full size pickup. Or are there any vehicle recommendations for a high quality diesel vehicle? Thanks for your input _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Latest from my Pal
Kieth: I am not trying to create an enemy, but you answer my email the first time two days ago. You left plenty of teeth marks and insults the last time. I was using information I heard from CNN news channel. I went to the CNN site and down loaded these poles performed by Gallup Poll and CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. The poles are also dated as of two days ago. Your article is a little off and old. I also left the address so you call check my information. George W. Bush Approval rating 58%(2/17-19/03). Do you support or oppose U.S. military action to disarm Iraq and remove Iraqi President Saddam Hussein? 2/17-19/03 equals 58 % approval. 2/7-9/03 equaled 69%. Thank you, and have a great day Harley Fellion http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm . Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president? Approve Disap- prove Don't Know % % % N 2/17-19/03 58 37 5 1,002 http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm The Gallup Poll. Latest: Feb. 17-19, 2003. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. . Would you favor or oppose invading Iraq with U.S. ground troops in an attempt to remove Saddam Hussein from power? Favor Oppose No Opinion % % % 2/17-19/03 59 38 3 2/7-9/03 63 34 3 1/31 - 2/2/03 58 38 4 1/23-25/03 52 43 5 1/10-12/03 56 38 6 1/3-5/03 56 39 5 12/19-22/02 53 38 9 12/16-17/02 58 35 7 12/9-10/02 55 39 6 11/22-24/02 58 37 5 11/8-10/02 59 35 6 10/21-22/02 54 40 6 10/14-17/02 56 37 7 10/3-6/02 53 40 7 9/02 57 38 5 Do you support or oppose U.S. military action to disarm Iraq and remove Iraqi President Saddam Hussein? Support Oppose Not Sure % % % 2/03 69 23 8 1/29-30/03 67 21 12 1/14-15/03 67 25 8 12/02 65 23 12 11/02 68 18 14 -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:02 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Latest from my Pal Harley wrote: I was using the 70 % rating that was being used by the US TV news media. I keep forgetting this site is world wide. The 70% was taken from poles done here in the USA. The TV news media did show the anti-war rallies in New York, and England, and France. The protests Anti-war, Anti-American, Anti-Bush. and Anti-anything is becoming Anti-Bush. My view as in the past is very Pro-Bush. He is day to night compared to Bill Clinton. Bush picks a point of view and sticks to it. Remember someone has to balance out, some of the Liberals. Cool, Yes I believe you are right. Somewhere around 70%. This is a bit closer to the mark: ... Four-fifths of the U.S. public believe Saddam was involved in acts of terrorism against the United States (according to a December 2002 Tribune/WGN-TV poll), and a majority today fear him and think that this regional bully, who has been almost entirely disarmed and who the Bush gang is toying with like a Bengal tiger might play with a malnourished mouse, actually poses a military threat to the pitiful giant. This is the ultimate propaganda system at work. But despite these irrational and manipulated fears, almost a third of the public (29 percent) remains opposed to the war and a solid majority (59 to 37 percent in a recent NYT/CBS poll) favors giving the UN and inspections more time. On the basis of this opposition and these doubts a major peace movement has come into being to oppose the war--and it has come into existence and grown at a far quicker pace than during the Vietnam war. The February 15th demonstrations here and abroad were possibly the largest ever, to the consternation of the war party. This peace movement could stop the war if it had any kind of support from the mass media in focusing on the illegality of the Bush plan, the serial lies used by the war party, its compromised position in prior support of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, the hidden agenda (oil, support of Sharon, coverup for Bush's internal policies), and the recklessness and human and material cost of this forthcoming aggression. But the U.S. mainstream media are currently serving as propaganda arms of the state, which is helping the war party maintain just enough support and public inertia to sustain their political
RE: [biofuel] criticism of Bush H2 idea
Murdoch: The hydrogen economy is probably closer than you may think. I researched Hydrogen fuels prior to finding this group. Some of my finds. On September 8, 1935, The Dallas Morning Newirst announced that the water-fuel concept worked -- at least it worked for several minutes, the article reported. Story of Hydrogen Carburetor found at : http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1216/garrett.html I found this: The so called Hydrogen Future will actually turn out to be the Diesel / Electric hybrid revolution! Site : http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/hydrogengeneration.html A company called Eagle research is using information from the first site to produce a special ultra-high temp welder using hydrogen splitter tech.. If a scientist had a hydrogen powered car back in the year 1935. I guest that in 2003, someone could mass produce the same. Harley -Original Message- From: murdoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] criticism of Bush H2 idea First and foremost, in my view, the author made more than one suggestion, not just one suggestion, for addressing the oil dependency problem. He did not buy into the view that there is one 'ANSWER' and that all debate should end about anything and everything except for his pet 'ANSWER'. This, I think, was unusual and good. Further commenting on this point..., the Bush plan to push for the H2 world economy, while interesting, amounts somewhat to this putting-too-many-eggs-in-one basket idea. I'm not sure that people who believe in the mechanisms of the free market would presume to know which technology should win out, over other worthy contenders. I thought that a principle of the marketplace was that it can help you understand it can give you feedback on the many difficult-to-understand-up-front aspects of various competing technologies and supplies. By focusing on one single idea, the Bush Administration may be advocating an idea that is worth pursuing but may also be casting aside wortwhile principles we're told they advocated. I sure would like to see increased competition in the fuel and auto propulsion industries. I'm not clear how that results from a gung-ho semi-funding of focused H2 research. Well, that's my thought for now, subject to revision. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Automakers Oppose Increased Fuel Efficiency - SUV question
My question is how did a work pickup truck become a Sports Utility vehicle (SUV)?. I am missing that some how. I grew up on a farm, and we always had a truck. We where not part of the upper class. I must admit once we got our first 4 wheel drive, we never went back to 2 wheel drive. The mileage was never the best, but we worked the heck out of them. Either plowing snow or hauling something.Also the work vans and trucks used by service people, are they also being considered SUV's?Who made the decision of what constituted a SUV? Mater of fact what does constitutes a SUV, and why? Confused in Wisconsin Harley -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:49 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Automakers Oppose Increased Fuel Efficiency http://ens-news.com/ens/feb2003/2003-02-19-09.asp Automakers Oppose Increased Fuel Efficiency WASHINGTON, DC, February 19, 2003 (ENS) - American automakers say meeting a new higher fuel efficiency standard for light trucks, as proposed by the Bush administration, would carry a prohibitive cost. The three largest U.S. automakers - General Motors Corporation, Ford Motor Company and DaimlerChrysler AG - have filed papers with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration arguing that a proposal to increase fuel economy standards for light trucks by 1.5 miles per gallon could cost the companies billions of dollars. To meet the new standards, automakers might need to make trucks lighter, which would make them less safe, the companies said. Last December, the NHTSA proposed to mandate the small increase in the fuel efficiency of light trucks and sport utility vehicles (SUVs) between model years 2005-2007, boosting economy from a fleet average of 20.7 miles per gallon (mpg) to 22.2 mpg. The light truck standard has remained at 20.7 mpg since 1996, and the standard for cars has been held at 27.5 miles per gallon. Critics of the proposal say it shortchanges American consumers and national security because automakers already have the technology to raise fuel economy much more. The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) said an analysis of the proposal shows that what the administration is proposing is less aggressive than what the automakers have said they would do voluntarily by 2005. In 2000, Ford Motor Co. committed to improving the fuel economy of its fleet of SUVs by 25 percent over five years. Assuming Ford made no improvements to its other light trucks, its commitment would yield a 1.8 mpg increase for its light truck category by 2005. By contrast, the administration's proposal would give the automaker two more years to improve its light trucks by 1.5 mpg. But Ford joined GM and DaimlerChrysler on Friday in saying that even the meager increase proposed by the NHTSA is too much. In particular, GM said the mandate could cost $1.1 billion or more, and provide little economic benefit. NHTSA has significantly underestimated the costs of its new standards, GM wrote in its 127 page filing, noting that the NHTSA said the fuel economy improvements would cost about $703 million. We believe that a more accurate assessment of our capabilities will show that the proposed standards are significantly too high. GM said it expected it could achieve 20 mpg efficiency by 2005, 20.1 mpg in 2006 and 20.8 mpg in 2007. Ford added that it continues to believe that uniform industry fuel economy standards are inefficient and unfairly penalize full line manufacturers, but said it has committed to meeting the new standards. And DaimlerChrysler suggested that NHTSA reduce its proposed fuel economy increase to 0.8 mpg, for a new standard of 21.5 in 2007. The problem with NHTSA's proposal, GM argued, is that it relies on technological improvements that have yet to be achieved. But a recent analysis by the National Academy of Sciences showed that the technology exists to raise the fuel economy of SUVs and pickups higher than the NHTSA proposal, without compromising vehicle safety or making automakers spend more than they can afford. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
RE: [biofuel] Behind the Great Divide
Keith: I don't have alot of time, but I will save it, and get back to it this weekend. Harley -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:40 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Behind the Great Divide Hello Harley Keith: Interesting Article. I thought it was weak, so did Hakan. But it's a start I guess. It is hard to believe the line the liberal U.S. media are strikingly conservative - and in this case hawkish.. The US news media is so liberal, that it is hard to think of them in any other way. Try, Harley, try - it just ain't so. Here's an excerpt, below, from Eric Alterman's book What Liberal Media? http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15187 What Liberal Media? By Eric Alterman, The Nation February 14, 2003 Editor's Note: This article was adapted from Eric Alterman's newly released book, What Liberal Media? The Truth About Bias and the News (Basic), published in February. It's a good piece, 3,800 words, give it a read. You might try this piece too, though you might not agree with much of it. http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15217 Media Mythbusters By Bill Berkowitz, WorkingForChange.com February 20, 2003 Best Keith I am not swayed over, but my perspective has changed a little. Harley -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:41 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Behind the Great Divide A bit weak, especially for Krugman... but it's a start, maybe about the maximum-sized bite the average cable-viewer could chew on without choking. Keith http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/18/opinion/18KRUG.html Behind the Great Divide By PAUL KRUGMAN There has been much speculation why Europe and the U.S. are suddenly at such odds. Is it about culture? About history? But I haven't seen much discussion of an obvious point: We have different views partly because we see different news. Let's back up. Many Americans now blame France for the chill in U.S.-European relations. There is even talk of boycotting French products. But France's attitude isn't exceptional. Last Saturday's huge demonstrations confirmed polls that show deep distrust of the Bush administration and skepticism about an Iraq war in all major European nations, whatever position their governments may take. In fact, the biggest demonstrations were in countries whose governments are supporting the Bush administration. There were big demonstrations in America too. But distrust of the U.S. overseas has reached such a level, even among our British allies, that a recent British poll ranked the U.S. as the world's most dangerous nation - ahead of North Korea and Iraq. So why don't other countries see the world the way we do? News coverage is a large part of the answer. Eric Alterman's new book, What Liberal Media? doesn't stress international comparisons, but the difference between the news reports Americans and Europeans see is a stark demonstration of his point. At least compared with their foreign counterparts, the liberal U.S. media are strikingly conservative - and in this case hawkish. I'm not mainly talking about the print media. There are differences, but the major national newspapers in the U.S. and the U.K. at least seem to be describing the same reality. Most people, though, get their news from TV - and there the difference is immense. The coverage of Saturday's antiwar rallies was a reminder of the extent to which U.S. cable news, in particular, seems to be reporting about a different planet than the one covered by foreign media. What would someone watching cable news have seen? On Saturday, news anchors on Fox described the demonstrators in New York as the usual protesters or serial protesters. CNN wasn't quite so dismissive, but on Sunday morning the headline on the network's Web site read Antiwar rallies delight Iraq, and the accompanying picture showed marchers in Baghdad, not London or New York. This wasn't at all the way the rest of the world's media reported Saturday's events, but it wasn't out of character. For months both major U.S. cable news networks have acted as if the decision to invade Iraq has already been made, and have in effect seen it as their job to prepare the American public for the coming war. So it's not surprising that the target audience is a bit blurry about the distinction between the Iraqi regime and Al Qaeda. Surveys show that a majority of Americans think that some or all of the Sept. 11 hijackers were Iraqi, while many believe that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11, a claim even
RE: [biofuel] Behind the Great Divide
Keith: Interesting Article. It is hard to believe the line the liberal U.S. media are strikingly conservative - and in this case hawkish.. The US news media is so liberal, that it is hard to think of them in any other way. I am not swayed over, but my perspective has changed a little. Harley -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:41 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Behind the Great Divide A bit weak, especially for Krugman... but it's a start, maybe about the maximum-sized bite the average cable-viewer could chew on without choking. Keith http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/18/opinion/18KRUG.html Behind the Great Divide By PAUL KRUGMAN There has been much speculation why Europe and the U.S. are suddenly at such odds. Is it about culture? About history? But I haven't seen much discussion of an obvious point: We have different views partly because we see different news. Let's back up. Many Americans now blame France for the chill in U.S.-European relations. There is even talk of boycotting French products. But France's attitude isn't exceptional. Last Saturday's huge demonstrations confirmed polls that show deep distrust of the Bush administration and skepticism about an Iraq war in all major European nations, whatever position their governments may take. In fact, the biggest demonstrations were in countries whose governments are supporting the Bush administration. There were big demonstrations in America too. But distrust of the U.S. overseas has reached such a level, even among our British allies, that a recent British poll ranked the U.S. as the world's most dangerous nation - ahead of North Korea and Iraq. So why don't other countries see the world the way we do? News coverage is a large part of the answer. Eric Alterman's new book, What Liberal Media? doesn't stress international comparisons, but the difference between the news reports Americans and Europeans see is a stark demonstration of his point. At least compared with their foreign counterparts, the liberal U.S. media are strikingly conservative - and in this case hawkish. I'm not mainly talking about the print media. There are differences, but the major national newspapers in the U.S. and the U.K. at least seem to be describing the same reality. Most people, though, get their news from TV - and there the difference is immense. The coverage of Saturday's antiwar rallies was a reminder of the extent to which U.S. cable news, in particular, seems to be reporting about a different planet than the one covered by foreign media. What would someone watching cable news have seen? On Saturday, news anchors on Fox described the demonstrators in New York as the usual protesters or serial protesters. CNN wasn't quite so dismissive, but on Sunday morning the headline on the network's Web site read Antiwar rallies delight Iraq, and the accompanying picture showed marchers in Baghdad, not London or New York. This wasn't at all the way the rest of the world's media reported Saturday's events, but it wasn't out of character. For months both major U.S. cable news networks have acted as if the decision to invade Iraq has already been made, and have in effect seen it as their job to prepare the American public for the coming war. So it's not surprising that the target audience is a bit blurry about the distinction between the Iraqi regime and Al Qaeda. Surveys show that a majority of Americans think that some or all of the Sept. 11 hijackers were Iraqi, while many believe that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11, a claim even the Bush administration has never made. And since many Americans think that the need for a war against Saddam is obvious, they think that Europeans who won't go along are cowards. Europeans, who don't see the same things on TV, are far more inclined to wonder why Iraq - rather than North Korea, or for that matter Al Qaeda - has become the focus of U.S. policy. That's why so many of them question American motives, suspecting that it's all about oil or that the administration is simply picking on a convenient enemy it knows it can defeat. They don't see opposition to an Iraq war as cowardice; they see it as courage, a matter of standing up to the bullying Bush administration. There are two possible explanations for the great trans-Atlantic media divide. One is that European media have a pervasive anti-American bias that leads them to distort the news, even in countries like the U.K. where the leaders of both major parties are pro-Bush and support an attack on Iraq. The other is that some U.S. media outlets - operating in an environment in which anyone who questions the administration's foreign policy is accused of being unpatriotic - have taken it as their assignment to sell the
RE: [biofuel] Engine Transplant
Ken: Also the automatic dodge transmission used on the Cummins diesel engine do not hold up. Look at ads on used dodge trucks with a diesel. Every truck with an automatic state rebuilt transmission. Watch for a little time, and you will also notice the problem. Harley -Original Message- From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:05 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Engine Transplant I have a 94 Dodge conversion van with a 318 gasoline engine. It has over 200,000 miles on it and I am thinking that I will need a new engine soon. Does anyone have any ideas on what would be a good diesel transplant? The Cummings diesel used in the Dodge Ram Pickup uses the same tranny but is much to big to fit into the small engine compartment in the van. Ken Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] more on the rising cost of fuel
Joe: International engine is casting a 6 cylinder diesel engine for the Ford motor company. It is a cut down version of the 8 cylinder diesel engine now used in the F-250 and F-350 trucks. The new smaller version diesel is slated for the so called SUV vehicles. I was not told when they are to be released, but it is coming. Harley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:42 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] more on the rising cost of fuel How many normal cars can you buy for the cost of one Chevy Suburban? Surely the fuel saving alone would pay for a smaller car. Depends on normal. I paid 18,000 dollars (US) for my 1999 Turbo diesel Suburban. I also run it on Biodiesel. Fuel savings? Even if it got 10 MPG instead of 22, I would still be saving in fuel costs. I make BD for about 40 cents per gallon, yes gallon not litre. Also, I am saving a waste product from going into a landfill, and reducing our dependence on foreign oil. In the US your normal car would be gasoline powered. There are very few diesel cars available here. Even at 25 or 30 MPG that smaller car still burns gasoline. Imported, non-renewable, green house gas producing fossil fuel. Sure, a VW TDI burning BD would be better, but I cannot fit my family into a Jetta. I only wish my wifes mini van were a diesel as well. Then we would not have to buy any gasoline at all. Maybe some day soon more diesels will be available in America. Mercedes is brining back the diesel in it's E class, Jeep is going to put a 2.8 TD in the Liberty next year. Then of course there is the Freightliner Sprinter (now also badged as the Dodge Sprinter), a HUGE van with a MB TD in it. I saw the Dodge display at the auto show in Detroit in January. There was a work van and passenger version of the Sprinter (10 passenger). I could stand upright in both of them. WOW. They're coming, just not soon enough for me. Blessings, Joe. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Latest from my Pal
Keith: I was using the 70 % rating that was being used by the US TV news media. I keep forgetting this site is world wide. The 70% was taken from poles done here in the USA. The TV news media did show the anti-war rallies in New York, and England, and France. The protests Anti-war, Anti-American, Anti-Bush. and Anti-anything is becoming Anti-Bush. My view as in the past is very Pro-Bush. He is day to night compared to Bill Clinton. Bush picks a point of view and sticks to it. Remember someone has to balance out, some of the Liberals. I am glad to hear that Jame's pal is British. I understand you are leaving political discussions on this site, but it is off subject. It is interesting when a Bio Diesel subject actually comes up. To answer your question dealing about feeling special, actually no. As an American, I don't feel special. As an American I feel lucky. The US is a great place to live. The American Society is far from perfect, but I believe it is better than most. $135 billion spent on PR, and advertising. I would consider the monies was used to sell products or services. Or are you saying that all that money was spent just to convince me that this is a great country. They did not need to do that on my behalf. Seriously, if I believed everything that is print on this site, about Bush. You must consider him the slime of the universe. He is better than Sadum. We know Sadum has already used chemical weapons on his own people. What do you think that he would not hesitation on using them on you, me or anybody else on this list? I don't believe that the American people are enlightened. I believe that most have become a TV zombies. Dumb down by the boob tube. Harley ( the toad, if it makes you feel better) -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:13 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Latest from my Pal Cool, Yes I believe you are right. Somewhere around 70%. I very much doubt it - more like a minority, maybe not even a very big one. Eg (close your eyes and point anywhere), the anti-war protests: It was the wide array of people from all walks of life - high school students showing they cared about more than their own problems, soccer moms protesting for the first time, retired school teachers, professionals in suits, war veterans, parents who also brought their young children - that gave me the most hope. Bush can continue to ignore veteran activists and liberals like me. But he can't ignore the independent suburban voters, the kind who don't vote straight-ticket Republican or any other political party... I believe the people who came out and practiced their democratic rights on Saturday are more American than those who sat on their butts and criticized them. We must continue to display our flags with pride, showing we are patriots who care about more than the selfish, violent agenda pushed by Bush Inc... So where was this cesspit of knee-jerk anti-American left-wing iniquity, you might ask? ... one of the most right-wing regions of the world, the former home of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and the fictional J.R. Ewing and many others who represent cold-hearted, selfish economic and political policies: Dallas, Texas. http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15197 Texans Turn Out Against War By Jackson Thoreau, AlterNet February 16, 2003 Most of us Americans know the difference between right / wrong, and good / bad. $100 billion a year spent on advertising in the US says otherwise, $35 billion a year spent by the PR industry in the US to twist reality on behalf of the rich and powerful says otherwise, intense and ongoing concentration of media ownership in the hands of powerful corporate interests (the major PR agency clients) says otherwise. Yet I agree with you - most Americans do know the difference betwen right and wrong, good and bad, in spite of all the spin - but they don't agree with you about the war. But say you're right, 70% of Americans agree with James's pal. How come it's just the opposite in virtually every other country, including your alleged ally Britain, including your other alleged ally Australia? - 70% and up against the war. Including Turkey (see the recent NATO fuss, if you didn't already). They're, what, plain wrong? But they're the vast world majority - uh, you believe in democracy, right? They're ill-informed then? Hah! James's (erstwhile) pal isn't American, he's English, now living in the US. What if he'd moved to Germany instead? Would he now be thinking just the same, do you think? Or would he be agreeing with the Germans? But I bet you just discounted what I said above about PR dollars. So what then - simply standing on US soil brings a penetrating enlightenment all its own that just doesn't happen elsewhere? Keith And 99 %
RE: [biofuel] washing 101- long article
Thank you, Mark and Doug Harley -Original Message- From: Doug Foskey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 3:45 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] washing 101- long article On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:43, you wrote: Mark: Thank you for posting your washing 101 zine. Have you tried using more than one aquarium air stone at a time? If you would have used three or four air stones / pumps per washing cycle. Would that decrease your total wash time? I also read in Journey to forever. In one of the postings. Someone used a modified grinding wheel off a bench grinder as a large air stone (in a 55 gal drum system). I assumed the grinding wheel was used to increase the volume of air wash. I realize sometime bigger is not always better. But it doesnât hurt to ask. Harley An airstone can be made from a grinding wheel. Sit the wheel on a tin lid (for example off a coffee can) make a bung with a pipe to fit in the central hole. Tie the lid on the back of the wheel with wire. Try it in a bucket of water. I didn't bother doing this as I got a huge airstone from the Aquarium shop. (about 200mm long) Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Latest from my Pal
Cool, Yes I believe you are right. Somewhere around 70%. Most of us Americans know the difference between right / wrong, and good / bad. And 99 % don't live anything like what is shown on the movies or the news. Harley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 3:22 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Latest from my Pal IK suspect there's quite a bit of support for the latest from my US based English pal... Fine The US is bad and everyone else is good. Bush didn't really get elected, he just scammed his way in and we were too busy eating burgers to notice. We don't really have a free press or opposition party to raise issues. We get our rocks off killing people around the world and are all part of a global conspiracy to steal everybody's natural resources because we are fed up paying for them. You can read the kind of information you are sending me in this country, its always there. Don't think it is exclusive information only available outside of the US. Should we learn to turn our back on oppressive regimes, stop being the biggest provider of aid? Should we forget about 20th century history and the lessons learnt. Isolationism took place in the '30's. Result WWII. People in America are appalled by the McCarthy era too, but if it wasn't for American pressure from 1944 to the Berlin wall coming down Russia would have taken over Europe. As it was a stalemate was produced, where the other side tired first. Was America perfect through that 45 year period? No. I think we get on better with Russia than Europe these days. What was the central issue? Communism versus Capitalism, just basic ideals. One system seems to work better than the other. Should America have forced a stalemate in Korea in the '50's? Was America naive getting into Vietnam as the French bailed in the early '60's? Should America have let Iraq have Kuwait? Do you think we don't know the US supported Iraq in the early '80's following the Iranian revolution when the two countries were fighting and Iran looked set to take over the middle east. Do you think we don't know that it is a miserable job trying to maintain some order in the middle east to stabilize oil prices upon which the world depends, not just the US which is less dependant than Europe. Do you think we protect Israel just to piss people off or do you think people here really worry about another holocaust. If America didn't threaten Iraq with war do you think Saddam would loose any sleep over UN sanctions? It appears to be a unifying force, hate America, clearly 9/11 was great for many. We did enjoy seeing the shots of people dancing in the streets in Palestine on the same day. The UN didn't act with Afghanistan. Should the US have gone in to put an end to the terrorist training camps there? Or do people believe that it was Bush making it all up with the help of Hollywood. Maybe Bush wanted to bring order back to the heroin trade because that's how he secretly funds his megalomania. Or maybe Bin Laden works for Bush, after we never got him, so that we'd have a good excuse to run around the world killing people out of a self manufactured sense of moral outrage. Who knows, I'd rather smoke p-- and chill. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Doit Yourself Newbie
Mark: Excuse my ignorance, but what is a zine? I tried to look up the word in a dictionary, and could not find the word. By the use of the word in the sentence. I would consider that the word zine could mean personal notes. I am not sure. If the word zine means personal notes. Is it possible that you could post them for the rest of us? I have read your postings in the past, and I have grown to highly respect your Bio-Diesel knowledge. Thank you, and have a great day. Harley -Original Message- From: girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:18 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Doit Yourself Newbie I don't know of any other print ones out there. Fryer to the fuel tank is REALLY wrong on a lot of points- KOH use, quality control, quality testing, washing, and more. My recommendation is to print out as much of the journeytoforever stuff as you can. It;s really the best info you'll find. Having the info in print to refer to while you're working is invaluable, though. I've got a zine on homebrew BD too (but as is typical with home-photocopied zines I'm SO out of copies right now). Drop me a line offlist with the farms address and I'll send you one when I get around to xeroxing more (it'll probably take me a while to get around to it) mark \ --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, dave01632002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NY Spike, Where in PA is this organic farm? Is it a co-op? I live near Pittsburgh and have been looking for an organic farm. The closest one I can find is a 150 miles away. Dave --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Bicycle J [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey biofuelers! I have been interested in WVO conversion for years and am now happy to say I have an opportuniy to actualize. This year I will be interning at an organic farm in PA and besides projects to bring in extra cash for the interns I will be setting up production of bio-diesel on a small scale. Journey to Forever rocks with its info (thanks guys!) but I am looking for how to books to walk me through it. Is From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank my best choice? Any other suggestions? NY Spike PS i have really enjoyed this group, thanks every Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?
Mr.. Swearingen: You are so right. You are so much more informed than the President of the United States of America, and the rest of us. Mister Sadum is such a nice person. You keep thinking that. Harley -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:33 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest? Oh...and one more thing. The Brits responded something akin to we have a lot to learn from this, or some such. Funny that. A madman ready to send 10's of thousands of human lives into carnage and these brainchildren use a years old primer as foundation to push for spilling today's blood. Friggin' ass-! Not a damned bit of respect for the people and the countries they profess to serve. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest? What doesn't the article hold back on, the truth or BS. Do you really believe Secretary of State Colin Powell plagiarized material from a college student for his speech to the United Nations. He has the total U.S. Intelligence gathering agencies to use at his disposal, and he plagiarized from a college student. I believe the article is a little full of something. Harley -Original Message- From: MH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:09 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest? A article that sums up recent events and doesn't hold back -- Fake terror alerts: by John Kaminski 2-8-3 http://www..timewedo.com/special/kaminski/fake.shtml How stupid do they think we are? Only hours after our much-praised Secretary of State is revealed to have been using material plagiarized from a college student to justify why we're going to kill thousands of people with bombs, our government issues a terror alert and expects us to believe it? And how stupid are we? We believe it. Everybody takes it seriously even though Colin Powell has been shown to have perpetrated a colossal lie before the entire world, sitting in front of the assembled multitude of rectitude at the United Nations, exposed as having tried to pass off a decade-old college post-graduate thesis as supposedly cutting-edge Department of Defense intelligence. Used before the most august leaders of the world, this is supposed to be the best we can do? For all that money in the defense budget? I mean, shouldn't we be embarrassed to be caught in such a childish lie? Could the U.S. government have reached a new low in their sluggish and unintelligent efforts to convince the world it should bomb everything that doesn't love our freedom? But it didn't matter. The American people have become such dullards that apparently nobody made the connection concerning lying about the reasons for bombing Iraq and lying about the terror alert. Certainly not the TV news robots. Stupidest of all? The terror alert was meant to cover up the Secretary of State's very own sophomoric faux pas, but the piggies needn't have bothered. The TV anchorpeople, who worry a lot more about their hair than they do the fate of the world, didn't even blink an eye, didn't even make the connection, that if Powell is fabricating evidence culled from the out-of-date research - the grad student's work was assessing conditions in Iraq more than a decade ago - then what possible evidence could this most humane member of the Bush Cabal of Death have been using to suddenly whip up a new terror alert - which served no greater purpose than to take the world's focus off his own obvious incompetence and insincerity. His own lies. There could be no clearer evidence that the United States is lying - not only about its own objectives but also about its own methods, its own performance - and, as I'm sure our genuine enemies would notice, and most dangerous of all - its actual capabilities. There may be no doubt that the U.S. could totally vaporize Baghdad, and no doubt that America's demonic weapons of mass destruction have turned large swaths of Third World countries into radioactive wastelands, but there are real doubts that this two-faced gang of armchair cutthroats have the ability, the will or the intent to defend our country. Just look at the investigation into 9/11, the biggest crime in American history, and let me know if you see one. Just look at Enron, the biggest robbery in American history, and let me know if you see the big perps being brought to justice. Lies. Everywhere you turn are lies
RE: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?
Todd: I will try to get off my high horse. Most politicians I simply don't trust. But of the last few US presidents. I believe that this president Bush has morals. Maybe even more than his father. If there was one recent president that had to make a decision for the right reason, I believe he is the most honest. Sadum on the other hand, I get the opposite feeling. The key point of the last UN resolution involving Iraq; involved proving the destruction of weapons of mass destruction(WMD). Weapons remaining in Iraq from before, during, and after Desert storm. Old News, but why all the deception. Why doesn't he want U2 flights over his country. Why the lack wanting to clear the issues up. There are so many question pertaining to Sadum's ethics. I truly believe if he could release his WMD here in the USA, he would. And I believe if given time, Sadum will find a way to kill Americans here at home. My belief is if Sadum is not disarmed, and held in check. Some day one of if not all of my family will die due to Sadum's Weapons of mass destruction. I have buried enough family members, I do not want it to be any more. Call me a toad or troll or what ever term you seem to use, but I believe in this President Bush. Harley Fellion [harley3] -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:13 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest? Harley, You might try climbing down from your high horse for a bit. The facts as both US British sources relay them are that the source of the portion in question is no longer in question. But of course facts change based upon the moment. One moment the years old facts were sufficient pointers towards justification for war. The next moment they're found to be a years old primer and nothing new. If that's not dishonesty with the public trust, it's patent stupidity. It's a matter of amazing ignorance to pull a stunt like that when thousands of human lives hang in the balance. But that type of stupidity is accomplished every day - it's called politics - and the rest of the population has found that it needs to be ever vigilant and wary of what are so frequently called facts. No one ever said that there may not be a just cause for war. All the American people (and the rest of the world) want is to actually see that just cause. The world is sick and tired of hearing officials say Trust us. We know best. It's the same day in and day out, year in and year out. Government agencies, trans-national and national corporations - doesn't matter if it's G.W. Shrub, Exxon, Nike or a local real estate developer. They all treat the common people as if they're nothing more than ignorant pond scum to be manipulated out of the way. Proof Harley. Just cause. That's all. And that doesn't include plagiarized security reports. That does not include vindication for a father's lack of a second term, or to secure oil in the national interest, or pre-emptive strikes that will inevitably take out God knows how many civilians (that's tattered and bleeding body parts of children, women, the aged and the innocent if you haven't yet got a visual) simply because Mr. Bush thinks. Most would rather rely on the facts, not the convenient (mis)representations of the moment. But you're free to be lulled back to sleep if you wish. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 11:38 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest? Mr.. Swearingen: You are so right. You are so much more informed than the President of the United States of America, and the rest of us. Mister Sadum is such a nice person. You keep thinking that. Harley -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:33 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest? Oh...and one more thing. The Brits responded something akin to we have a lot to learn from this, or some such. Funny that. A madman ready to send 10's of thousands of human lives into carnage and these brainchildren use a years old primer as foundation to push for spilling today's blood. Friggin' ass-! Not a damned bit of respect for the people and the countries they profess to serve. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest? What doesn't the article hold back on, the truth or BS. Do you really believe Secretary of State Colin Powell plagiarized material from a college student
RE: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?
What doesn't the article hold back on, the truth or BS. Do you really believe Secretary of State Colin Powell plagiarized material from a college student for his speech to the United Nations. He has the total U.S. Intelligence gathering agencies to use at his disposal, and he plagiarized from a college student. I believe the article is a little full of something. Harley -Original Message- From: MH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:09 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest? A article that sums up recent events and doesn't hold back -- Fake terror alerts: by John Kaminski 2-8-3 http://www..timewedo.com/special/kaminski/fake.shtml How stupid do they think we are? Only hours after our much-praised Secretary of State is revealed to have been using material plagiarized from a college student to justify why we're going to kill thousands of people with bombs, our government issues a terror alert and expects us to believe it? And how stupid are we? We believe it. Everybody takes it seriously even though Colin Powell has been shown to have perpetrated a colossal lie before the entire world, sitting in front of the assembled multitude of rectitude at the United Nations, exposed as having tried to pass off a decade-old college post-graduate thesis as supposedly cutting-edge Department of Defense intelligence. Used before the most august leaders of the world, this is supposed to be the best we can do? For all that money in the defense budget? I mean, shouldn't we be embarrassed to be caught in such a childish lie? Could the U.S. government have reached a new low in their sluggish and unintelligent efforts to convince the world it should bomb everything that doesn't love our freedom? But it didn't matter. The American people have become such dullards that apparently nobody made the connection concerning lying about the reasons for bombing Iraq and lying about the terror alert. Certainly not the TV news robots. Stupidest of all? The terror alert was meant to cover up the Secretary of State's very own sophomoric faux pas, but the piggies needn't have bothered. The TV anchorpeople, who worry a lot more about their hair than they do the fate of the world, didn't even blink an eye, didn't even make the connection, that if Powell is fabricating evidence culled from the out-of-date research ÷ the grad student's work was assessing conditions in Iraq more than a decade ago ÷ then what possible evidence could this most humane member of the Bush Cabal of Death have been using to suddenly whip up a new terror alert ÷ which served no greater purpose than to take the world's focus off his own obvious incompetence and insincerity. His own lies. There could be no clearer evidence that the United States is lying ÷ not only about its own objectives but also about its own methods, its own performance ÷ and, as I'm sure our genuine enemies would notice, and most dangerous of all ÷ its actual capabilities. There may be no doubt that the U.S. could totally vaporize Baghdad, and no doubt that America's demonic weapons of mass destruction have turned large swaths of Third World countries into radioactive wastelands, but there are real doubts that this two-faced gang of armchair cutthroats have the ability, the will or the intent to defend our country. Just look at the investigation into 9/11, the biggest crime in American history, and let me know if you see one. Just look at Enron, the biggest robbery in American history, and let me know if you see the big perps being brought to justice. Lies. Everywhere you turn are lies, couched in trite buzzphrases, uttered by incompetent functionaries like Ashcroft, who couldn't even make a decent middle school debate team, not to mention Bush, who will never learn that sincere statements later learned to be false mean you can never reach people again. Or maybe you can. Maybe people don't really care if the world is destroyed, if their own sons return to the Fatherland contaminated by radioactivity and poison vaccines.. The insincerely enraptured media suckups, who have their own challenges to overcome, insist Bush is popular, but average people at the shopping center now only say that if they think the Homeland Security camera is on them. Lies. Like the new information about the Patriot missiles that the U.S. has sold to practically every country that wanted one. During the first Gulf War massacre, the Pentagon claimed a 100 percent kill-ratio against those evil Scud missiles launched by Saddam. Now the news is the Patriot missiles never hit a single Scud, or that the kill-ratio was somewhere in the range of 7 percent, at best. Just like the phony U.S. missile tests we see in the news every now and then. Those missiles can't hit spit unless there's a GPS beacon in the target. But
RE: California solar penalty Re: [biofuel] understatement
Dear Girlmark: Who would receive the monies from the solar tax? Would the collected Solar tax monies go to the utilities company, or the State of California? Who is going to profit from the proposed tax? Harley -Original Message- From: girl mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 1:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: California solar penalty Re: [biofuel] understatement On the topic of bald-faced, there was a post here a few days ago by solar installer (I think) Len Walde about the proposed California penalty against homeowners who installed grid-tied solar (which most of them did with a state-sponsored rebate!) . I think this is one of the most recently outrageous energy issues I've heard aobut in a while- and like Len says, it's imperative that this be stopped. The proposal, backed by the same utility companies who brought you the California energy crisis, allows for the utilities to install a meter on a homeowners' property to meter how much electricity they have generated with their PV system, and to then charge the homeowner what they euphemistically call an 'exit fee'- and what we are calling a solar tax- a penalty for not buying overpriced dirty fossil or nuke-produced electricity from the utilities. This is so outrageous, and it sets a terrible precedent in the fight for renewable energy use- if they can get away with this I imagine that someday Big Oil will push for some similar proposal for those of us not using their product (of course Big Oil already gets massive subsidies in the form of the financial and social costs of fossil fuels, taxation to fund war brought on by oil politics, environmental damage, and healthcare costs due to pollution which keep the fossil energy economy rolling. And we pay these taxes (they aren't coming from your 'fuel' tax) regardless of whether we use gasoline or not) . See Len's post from a few days ago: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/message/20683 or the website of one group working to stop this proposal: http://www.californiasolarcenter.org/cpuc2003.html -Mark At 10:30 AM 2/9/2003 -0800, you wrote: burden. But then I'd have to assume they really mean their preaching about principles and so forth, and I'm not sure they do, consistently. I think there may be some here who'll be after nominating you for the Nobel Prize for Understatement for that last bit, MM. :-) I'll take it, but seriously I want to make a follow-on point: I think this is one of the most underexploited intellectual points of vulnerability of the folks who are presently attempting to write U.S. Energy Policy: This is Hypocrisy with a capital H. They say they are pro-free-market but in fact they seem to be pro-free-market generally when it is expedient for them. Recently I made the case to someone privately that I think there are two specific examples of this that bother me and that are insulting: the 2 year old case of the proposed tax breaks for drilling in ANWR (something like just under $30 billion, I know I've mentioned it many times, but it is as insulting now as it was then) and the more recent attempt to *raise* the already massive tax breaks for purchase of the largest (over 6000 pounds I believe) civilian SUVs such as the Cadillac Escalade. These tax breaks, in selectively forgiving the tax debt of some Americans, mean that others will have to make up those government revenues. They seem to be the preferred method of favoritism of Conservatives. It is as though they want to believe that we are not intelligent enough to grasp that they are an indirect form of subsidy. If there is such as thing as Conservativism that some of us admire (for me there is), then I think perhaps this brand of massive tax breaks for some while adding burden to others might not sit well with the better Conservatives, but they don't seem to be speaking up about it. So far as I'm concerned, it's still statism, and if it's not direct socialism (direct subsidization) then it's indirect socialism and arguably all that much more slimy and hypocritcal, coming from folks who gladly beat the drum of free markets when it suits them... when the noise levels suits their own sleeping habits but not their neighbors'. Anyway, I think if there's an understatement here, it's to some extent that this area of vulnerability needs to be exploited more in public discourse worldwide. As a free market advocate myself, I am not against compromise or discourse or the difficulties of defining a real political system for a real world. But that isn't really what the present in-power advocates seem to be doing. They seem to be trying such a bald-faced give-away to their cronies, under guise of advocacy of principles in a time of claimed dire national circumstance, that many otherwise
RE: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Space shuttle
Andrew: All human life is precious, but are you comparing the space shuttle accident to a railroad accident. Did I miss something? The last space shuttle accident put the space program on hold for two to three years. A program that benefits the world. What part of your life do you believe has not been affected by research done by NASA. Harley -Original Message- From: Andrew Lowe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:39 AM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com; biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Space shuttle Not to belittle what has happened, but a little something to put the shuttle incident into context http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/02/1044122251403.html Regards, Andrew Lowe On 2 Feb 2003 at 0:02, Hakan Falk wrote: This is a very very sad day. Hakan ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/ http://hakan.vitools.net/ My .Net Card http://hakan.vitools.org/ About me http://vitools.com/ My webmaster site ** A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. -- Dresden James No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. - Unknown Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Looking For Connections in Milwaukee
Just South of you is the Union Grove Drag strip or Hail corners oval track. There has to be a few alky burners. Also with all the printing industry in and around Milwaukee, there is plenty of bulk chemical sales companies. I have been out of the printing industry for 15 years, so I can't remember any suppliers. But there are still several large printing firms still near Milwaukee, so are the chemicals. who supplies Quadgraphics? Harley in Racine -Original Message- From: Craig Pech [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:35 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Looking For Connections in Milwaukee We are up in Green Bay. Would be very interested in your Mercedes results. Your biggest problem will be sourcing methanol - check with the speed shops. Craig - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: [biofuel] Looking For Connections in Milwaukee I stumbled upon biodiesel while on Metafilter and became completely hooked on the idea. However, since both my van and car were gasoline based, and working, I was left wringing my hands, waiting for one to die. It happened (trany on the van), and I've gone and purchased a Mercedes-Benz 240D off of eBay for $1025 with 115K on it. Yeah, I'm nuts. Any way, I hope to be producing my own biodiesel by Spring. I was wondering if anybody else was located in the Southeaster Wisconsin area and could give me any advice for getting supplies and what not around here. Maybe even recommend a good mechanic if ther're driving a similar vehicle! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Questions about VW 1.6 Diesel
Dear BioDiesel Group: I am considering purchasing a 1981 VW Rabbit Pickup truck with a 1.6 diesel. Ultimately, I would convert it over to Biodiesel. I am not familiar with the VW truck or the 1.6 diesels. Has anyone in this group had one? How is the VW 1.6 Diesel engine, any common problems the truck or engine? I would appreciate any information or help. Thank you Harley Fellion [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Corporate enviros
Keith I apologize if I have insult you. Keith, I was not directing any of this venting towards you directly. All my working life I have worked for only big companies. Not by design, but that is just how it worked out. My working history has been in the maintenance area. I have worked from a repair mechanic position to plant engineering, and everything between.No body wants to poison the air or land that our grand children will be inheriting.Even though I am not an Environmental engineer, I have worked on the outer edges of some of the environmental issues. I have dealt directly with people with wild accusations, and I have become desensitized. I have dealt with some of the following: Chemical dumping into cemented over sewer drains. Disconnected smoke stacks pumping out to much smoke. Too much vibration city blocks away from the plant. All of the parking lot are covering chemical dumpsites, and must be dug-up. Using too much electricity because a personâs air conditioning was not working. And of course the famous the non-existing company helicopter is making to much noise. I have tried to honesty deal with the complaints, but most of the time. It is like talking to a wall. They know the company is doing something wrong. Most of them watch TV news media, and know how Big Companies are always doing something wrong. Why is being big, equals something bad. Big oil, big business, big government. I cannot speak for any company, but most are not as bad as you may perceive them to be. In the future I will finish reading before going off in a direction. Harley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Corporate enviros
And you wonder why we are skeptical when one of the environmental groups jumps up and down, and wildly pointâs a finger. Without any proof, or even any secret email or two. They condemn a big business, and with the same breath ask for money. Only they can save you from that nasty big business. All big companies had to do something wrong. Right! I getting tired of the damage that these environmental groups are leavening in their wake. I have worked for a few big companies, and maybe I found just the good companies. But the ones I have worked for were constantly accused of wrongdoing. Time and time again the accusations where false. But they never received a sorry about that. It cost money, and a lot of it to stay current with environmental policies. You never hear from any group go out of their way to praise all the good companies out there. I think it is wrong to condem a person or group without any proof. Harley -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:40 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Corporate enviros Same old thing - small is beautiful (maybe because it's usually local). ... Meanwhile, the grass-roots environmental groups are starved of the hundreds of millions of dollars that are raised every year by these massive bureaucracies. Over the past two decades, they've turned the environmental movement's grass-roots base of support into little more than a list of donors they hustle for money via direct-mail appeals and telemarketing. Keith Eat the State! Vol. 7, Issue #8 18 dec. 02 NATURE POLITICS Adios, Jay Hair: a Corporate Flunky Passes On On November 15, Jay Hair, former boss of the National Wildlife Federation, died of cancer at the age of 56. The New York Times eulogized Hair as a passionate defender of the environment. But the Times' wistful cruise through Hair's career managed to glide right by his real significance: he established a corporate model for environmentalism that thrives to this day. Whether the Hair approach amounts to a defense of the environment from plunder is another question altogether, a question that Hair himself didn't seem that troubled about. For grassroots greens, Jay Hair came to personify nearly everything that's wrong with the mainstream environmental movement: elitist, PR-driven, politically calculating, and cautious. In fact, Hair helped to shape many of the more odious excesses: the plush offices, obese salaries, and cordial affiliations with big business. Hair was an environmental executive for the go-go 90s. He didn't see unfettered capitalism as a threat, but an opportunity to cash in on the bonanza. Hair perfected the art of environmental triangulation long before Dickie Morris showed up at the backdoor of Bill Clinton's White House with his black bag of trickery. He never lost an opportunity to stab the knife in the back of an environmental group (or idea) that he considered too radical or impolitic--even the middle-of-the-roaders at the Sierra Club got tongue-lashings from Hair, their policies on wilderness and trade publicly ridiculed as unrealistic. Hair was an insider and a powerbroker. Usually, he got entre to politicos such as Al Gore by giving ground. It was the only thing he had to offer. Hair wasn't an organizer. He didn't lead a mass movement of outraged greens. In fact, there's every indication that he despised grassroots environmentalism. He even tried to suppress the independence of the chapters within his own federation, sparking a rebellion of sorts that was put down forcibly by Hair's lieutenants. Hair embraced corporations without question. He stocked his board with corporate honchos from companies with dirty reputations, such as Waste Management. He took their money, greenwashed their crimes, and then often did their bidding on the Hill. His first big moment of betrayal came when he offered to lobby his fellow executives in the DC environmental caucus about the virtues of NAFTA. Not once, but twice. First he hawked the trade pact for Bush, then for Clinton. Unlike many of his colleagues, who operate as adjuncts of the Democratic Party, Hair wasn't a partisan. He worked for whoever was in power and for whoever paid the bills. And they were big bills. Hair believed that if he was going to hang out with corporate execs, he should be paid like them. He was the first environmentalist to crack $200,000 a year in salary and benefits, setting a high bar that others have rushed to match. (When he left NWF in 1995, his salary was $293,000.) He once attended a press conference in DC addressing the issue of global warming. As Hair pontificated about hydrocarbons and SUVs inside, he ordered his chauffeur to keep his limo idling outside the building, with the air conditioner blowing full-blast so that
RE: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
Bryan: A fully loaded Chevy Suburban Silverado. It was an all around bad mistake. I do have a bad temper. It was an excellent tax write off. Again, hopefully a new person to diesels won't do the same. Harley -Original Message- From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:11 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid! Darn wish I would have been around.. if that was all that was wrong with it then it wouldn't be that hard to fix. I would have given a few pesos for it.. Bonus points if it had been a chevy or GM truck.. Bryan Fullerton White Knight Gifts www.youcandobusiness.com - Original Message - From: harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid! It was a very cold day, and the engine was cranking very slow. That's when I remembered the story, how my father use to start an old diesel tractor with starting fluid. Heck if I remember how much fluid I used, but it was to much. I let the glow plugs warm up, and tried to start the engine. It sounded like a back fire. I tried the starting cycle again. But I got a whine, as if the starter was not making contact. I got out and checked under the truck. I could see the starter was hanging down from the engine. I decided at that time I had used to much starting fluid. I do remember saying you dumb sh*t. When I went to install a new starter. I looked into the hole where the starter goes into, and saw the gaping hole where the teeth were missing.I was very demonized. I ended up donating the truck to a local charity that deals with autos. The jest of the story is, I do not want someone new to diesels to duplicate my ignorance. One destroyed starter / starter ring is to much. Harley -Original Message- From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 5:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid! I think you used too much.. besides in that engine the torque converter doesn't have any teeth.. the flex plate does. The idea is to use just enough to add a little heat in the compression cycle. You dont want to put in so much energy that you can blow the thing apart. I suspect you engine may not have been cranking very fast and you had too much starting fluid. The result was the compression from that cylider fired before TDC causeing the piston to reverse direction. You may have already had a broken bolt on your starter. its not uncommon. Used carefully starting fluid works just fine but it is not a good substitute for poor cranking speed. - Original Message - From: harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 5:51 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid! Never use starting fluid in a diesel engine. I tried starting fluid once in my 6.5 diesel G.M. Suburban.The engine spit the starter out onto the ground.My foolish mistake broke the starter, and torn out 5 teeth off my torque converter. A very expensive mistake, never again. Harley -Original Message- From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:52 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting Well this is controversial but I have used it on occasion with much success. I spray a 3 second burst of starting fluid on the air filter element and then crank it up.. if youcant get to that then no more then 3 seconds in the intake somewhere. air getting pulled past the starting fluid carries the vapors into the cylinder where they combust quite easily. Starting fluid is a hot fuel and must be used very cautiously. If you get carried away and spray it all over youcould get in trouble esp if you have a poor electrical connection somewhere. I would use alot of caution with Gas engines and extreme caution with older gas engines that have points and condensor. Usually I recommend only using starting fluid on older diesels that are kinda worn out. If you intend to use your diesel where the air is really cold, below 15 degrees F, I would suggest that you double check your batteries. I think most diesels have two batteries to start. since cranking speed is very(did I mention VERY) VERY important in its ability to start when cold I
RE: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
Never use ãstarting fluidä in a diesel engine. I tried starting fluid once in my 6.5 diesel G.M. Suburban.The engine spit the starter out onto the ground.My foolish mistake broke the starter, and torn out 5 teeth off my torque converter. A very expensive mistake, never again. Harley -Original Message- From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:52 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting Well this is controversial but I have used it on occasion with much success. I spray a 3 second burst of starting fluid on the air filter element and then crank it up.. if youcant get to that then no more then 3 seconds in the intake somewhere. air getting pulled past the starting fluid carries the vapors into the cylinder where they combust quite easily. Starting fluid is a hot fuel and must be used very cautiously. If you get carried away and spray it all over youcould get in trouble esp if you have a poor electrical connection somewhere. I would use alot of caution with Gas engines and extreme caution with older gas engines that have points and condensor. Usually I recommend only using starting fluid on older diesels that are kinda worn out. If you intend to use your diesel where the air is really cold, below 15 degrees F, I would suggest that you double check your batteries. I think most diesels have two batteries to start. since cranking speed is very(did I mention VERY) VERY important in its ability to start when cold I recommend adding a 3rd battery. It cant hurt and it does help. I have 3 starting batteries in my 6.5(used tobe 6.2) '83 chevy Van. I also have 3 or 4 accessory batteries that hook into the circuit soon as I start cranking. before I went to low compression pistons I had no trouble starting this without even useing the glowplugs till it got down to about 28 degrees F. If youcant go wtih three batteries make sure the two youdo have are the biggest and the best and are preferably less then 3 years old. Good skiing. PS Never hurts to have a can of starting fluid in the trunk. Sincerely, Bryan Fullerton White Knight Gifts www.youcandobusiness.com - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting Were do you live? It used to be in Land Crusiers ( in Canada ) had duel heavy duty batteries for starting. Here in Colorado Springs, my father was told by his mechanic to add a little gasoline to the tank before pumping the diesel. I think that it about 1 or 2 qts of gasoline to a tank of diesel to thin it out a fraction. He used this method for 3-5 years before his VW was totaled. I have heard of a method, that uses touline, to make biodiesel easier to start in winter, but it is only something I have heard, and not yet used my self ( I don't own a diesel yet ). This or the gasoline method might work for SVO or WVO as well, I don't know. Greg H. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Michael Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 08:49 Subject: [biofuel] cold weather starting I've actually just bought my first diesel car, and this is one of my main concerns (as I said, I don't really know anything!) - If I go skiing and can't plug my car in, for the day or sometimes even for a few days, do you have tips on starting it when I want to get home? Is this something I need to worry about? Sounds like you have lots of experience, and I really don't know what to expect going into my first winter with a diesel. When I get that far, I'm also planning to mix biodiesel with petro diesel to reduce cold weather starting problems. Is that a good solution? While it may not be a real problem at all, It may be a percieved problem with diesel - for people like me who don't know much about it but what they've heard. The effect can be the same. Mike Hakan Falk wrote: I had diesel cars the last 26 years as private vehicle, both in Sweden and after I moved to middle and southern Europe. In Sweden it was often minus 25 Celsius in the winter and minus 15 Celsius in Central Europe. The only time I had serious problem was one time when I was skiing in Sweden and it was minus 40 Celsius for a couple of days. Had to heat it up and then put 20% Kerosene in the tank. Could not ski anyway, since the risk for bad frostbites was too big. Hakan PS. during the same period I had gasoline company cars. At 10:34 AM 12/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: I don't really know what I'm talking about, but from a Canadian perspective I think diesel is widely considered a
RE: [biofuel] Engine conversion
Dear Ozan: As you mentioned, the engine compression ratios is going to be a problem. The compression of gasoline engine is around 9 to 1, and the diesel engine is around 20 to1. The modifications to change would be extensive, and expensive. I am not even mentioning the rest the changes of injector pumps, and timing. You would be father ahead to find a diesel engine. Harley -Original Message- From: Ozan Tezer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:58 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Engine conversion Hello, I produce biodiesel and plan to convert a car engine that works with gas to diesel. I plan to use diesel injectors, instead of spark plugs. I know the compression ratio is different, but I wonder if it works or not. Any idea about it..? also mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
