Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Greetings Mike >Greetings Keith, > >I'm going to try it on kerosene and if that works I'll know it's not the >stove. I have heard from some other Petromax owners that there >may have been a bad batch of stoves. This one does have a bad pressure >gauge. I will call Britelyt and see what they say. Good, and good luck. >The BD I put in it was not winterised and came out of a cold storage >shed so it was a little thick, so I cut it with some dino. It came >close to lighting - a lot of sputtering. I heated the stove ring with a >propane torch. I've been using the same BD in my car @ 50/50 w/ dino >and so far it's been ok. > >By meths do mean methanol? Sorry, actually I meant methylated spirits, denatured ethanol, but I usually use methanol, it doesn't seem to make any difference. I've heard of people using a bit of rag soaked in vegetable oil. >Do you think Isopropyl would work? I don't know, I don't have much experience of burning it. I guess it should work. >I hope to have time to get back to it this weekend. > >I will write up what I discover and post it. Please. >I'm not ready to give up on the stove yet! I'm sure it should work, disappointing if it doesn't. All best Keith >Regards, > >Mike > >Keith Addison wrote: > > >Hi Mike > > > >I'm puzzled. We use 100% biodiesel in this stove, a standard kerosene > >pressure stove from India: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html#stove > > > >It's just the same as all the other pressure stoves and blowtorches > >I've used, Primus and so on, and pressure lanterns (I had an Aida > >Petromax lantern). There's a trough under the burner, you fill it > >with meths and light it, by the time it's nearly all burnt up the > >pipes are hot enough to gasify the fuel, pump up the pressure and > >you're away. It works just the same with biodiesel, never fails. It > >does get cold here (it IS cold here!). The Aida was a bit more > >complicated, but basically the same IIRC. Aida's the same as > >BriteLyt. It's hard to see much detail in the picture of the BriteLyt > >stove at their website, but I'm surprised it's not working. > > > >Up to now I'd have said it's not that you're lucky if you can get a > >kero pressure stove to burn biodiesel, more like you're unlucky if > >you can't. I've found the BriteLyt folks responsive in the past, and > >they seem to be interested in biofuels applications. Why don't you > >ask them to help you? They probably will, and if you'd be so kind you > >could forward it here so Ken and others get an answer too. > > > >Best > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > >>So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and > >>that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of > >>Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on > >>the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it > >>again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says > >>you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came > >>smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW > >>the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. > >> > >>I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled > >>by BD. > >> > >>I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive > >>and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping > >>store said the thinner distillates works best. > >> > >>We'll see, > >> > >>Mike > >> > >>Ken Dunn wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Please, let us know how it does, Mike. > >>> > >>>Take care, > >>> > >>> > >>>On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD > but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back > if I get it going. > > > Ken Dunn wrote: > > > > > > >What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking > >about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other > >purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to > >comment? > > > >Take care, > >Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Greetings Keith, I'm going to try it on kerosene and if that works I'll know it's not the stove. I have heard from some other Petromax owners that there may have been a bad batch of stoves. This one does have a bad pressure gauge. I will call Britelyt and see what they say. The BD I put in it was not winterised and came out of a cold storage shed so it was a little thick, so I cut it with some dino. It came close to lighting - a lot of sputtering. I heated the stove ring with a propane torch. I've been using the same BD in my car @ 50/50 w/ dino and so far it's been ok. By meths do mean methanol? Do you think Isopropyl would work? I hope to have time to get back to it this weekend. I will write up what I discover and post it. I'm not ready to give up on the stove yet! Regards, Mike Keith Addison wrote: >Hi Mike > >I'm puzzled. We use 100% biodiesel in this stove, a standard kerosene >pressure stove from India: >http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html#stove > >It's just the same as all the other pressure stoves and blowtorches >I've used, Primus and so on, and pressure lanterns (I had an Aida >Petromax lantern). There's a trough under the burner, you fill it >with meths and light it, by the time it's nearly all burnt up the >pipes are hot enough to gasify the fuel, pump up the pressure and >you're away. It works just the same with biodiesel, never fails. It >does get cold here (it IS cold here!). The Aida was a bit more >complicated, but basically the same IIRC. Aida's the same as >BriteLyt. It's hard to see much detail in the picture of the BriteLyt >stove at their website, but I'm surprised it's not working. > >Up to now I'd have said it's not that you're lucky if you can get a >kero pressure stove to burn biodiesel, more like you're unlucky if >you can't. I've found the BriteLyt folks responsive in the past, and >they seem to be interested in biofuels applications. Why don't you >ask them to help you? They probably will, and if you'd be so kind you >could forward it here so Ken and others get an answer too. > >Best > >Keith > > > > >>So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and >>that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of >>Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on >>the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it >>again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says >>you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came >>smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW >>the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. >> >>I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled >>by BD. >> >>I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive >>and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping >>store said the thinner distillates works best. >> >>We'll see, >> >>Mike >> >>Ken Dunn wrote: >> >> >> >>>Please, let us know how it does, Mike. >>> >>>Take care, >>> >>> >>>On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: >What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking >about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other >purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to >comment? > >Take care, >Ken > > > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Hi Mike I'm puzzled. We use 100% biodiesel in this stove, a standard kerosene pressure stove from India: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html#stove It's just the same as all the other pressure stoves and blowtorches I've used, Primus and so on, and pressure lanterns (I had an Aida Petromax lantern). There's a trough under the burner, you fill it with meths and light it, by the time it's nearly all burnt up the pipes are hot enough to gasify the fuel, pump up the pressure and you're away. It works just the same with biodiesel, never fails. It does get cold here (it IS cold here!). The Aida was a bit more complicated, but basically the same IIRC. Aida's the same as BriteLyt. It's hard to see much detail in the picture of the BriteLyt stove at their website, but I'm surprised it's not working. Up to now I'd have said it's not that you're lucky if you can get a kero pressure stove to burn biodiesel, more like you're unlucky if you can't. I've found the BriteLyt folks responsive in the past, and they seem to be interested in biofuels applications. Why don't you ask them to help you? They probably will, and if you'd be so kind you could forward it here so Ken and others get an answer too. Best Keith >So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and >that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of >Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on >the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it >again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says >you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came >smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW >the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. > >I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled >by BD. > >I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive >and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping >store said the thinner distillates works best. > >We'll see, > >Mike > >Ken Dunn wrote: > > >Please, let us know how it does, Mike. > > > >Take care, > > > > > >On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD > >>but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back > >>if I get it going. > >> > >> > >>Ken Dunn wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking > >>>about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other > >>>purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to > >>>comment? > >>> > >>>Take care, > >>>Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
IPA hard to get? I can't get rid of it! Joe Street wrote: > I would say try kerosene or heating oil. Gasoline is too volatile and > can create explosive atmospheres. Keep the IPA for titrations!! it is > one of the more difficult items to get. > > Joe > > Mike Weaver wrote: > >>I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or >>later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I >>can do. >>If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I >>would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? >>I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? >> >>-Mike >> >>Zeke Yewdall wrote: >> >> >> >>>What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel >>>directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil >>>furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are >>>in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like >>>10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. >>> >>>http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. >>>Not cheap though. >>> >>> >>>On 12/6/06, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ J Mike Weaver wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/b
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
I'm only interested in using a mix in the Petromax to heat BD. I heat my house with wood anyway. I don't plan to mix gasoline with BD or HHO and use it inside - besides my furnace is gas, not that I run it if I can help it. I would like to take apart a Beckett or Riello or similar to see how it works. I'm familiar with altfurnace. You have to be very careful what you say or it really sets them off. David Miller wrote: >Mike Weaver wrote: > > > >>I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or >>later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I >>can do. >>If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I >>would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? >>I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? >> >> >> >> > >I'm not clear on whether you want to cut the BD for use in a backpacking >stove for heating your reactor or in a modified furnace. There's a big >differnce. With the camp stove you have a fairly open system, and one >where the fuel is supposed to vaporize. Cutting with something fairly >volatile will probably thin out the BD and make ignition much easier. >Gasoline should work, as would mineral spirits, acetone, alcohol, etc. > >You really really don't want to mix volatiles into a closed system like >a boiler or furnace. It's common when having problems with them for >some fuel to puddle in the burner; something like gasoline could easily >result in an explosive condition. > >That's my take on it at least. Check out the altfuelfurnace list at >yahoo if you want more info, but know that they won't entertain any >discussion of cutting with volatile liquids there at all. > >--- David > > > >>-Mike >> >>Zeke Yewdall wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel >>>directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil >>>furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are >>>in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like >>>10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. >>> >>>http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. >>>Not cheap though. >>> >>> >>>On 12/6/06, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > >[snip] > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Mike Weaver wrote: >I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or >later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I >can do. >If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I >would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? >I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? > > I'm not clear on whether you want to cut the BD for use in a backpacking stove for heating your reactor or in a modified furnace. There's a big differnce. With the camp stove you have a fairly open system, and one where the fuel is supposed to vaporize. Cutting with something fairly volatile will probably thin out the BD and make ignition much easier. Gasoline should work, as would mineral spirits, acetone, alcohol, etc. You really really don't want to mix volatiles into a closed system like a boiler or furnace. It's common when having problems with them for some fuel to puddle in the burner; something like gasoline could easily result in an explosive condition. That's my take on it at least. Check out the altfuelfurnace list at yahoo if you want more info, but know that they won't entertain any discussion of cutting with volatile liquids there at all. --- David >-Mike > >Zeke Yewdall wrote: > > > >>What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel >>directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil >>furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are >>in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like >>10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. >> >>http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. >>Not cheap though. >> >> >>On 12/6/06, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
But if you do this those light molecules will eventually get jostled to the top and then hop into the air space in the container above the surface of the liquid eventually building up pressure in the closed container until it reaches the vapour pressure of the more volatile liquid (at that temperature) where it will stabilize with an equal number of molecules evaporating and dissolving back into the liquid. When you open the container you will hear a little hiss and you will release a puff of explosive vapor into the local area. Or if the container is open eventually the gas will all evaporate out of your BD. If you cut it with kerosene which still has a vapor pressure that is low at room temperature you will have to use more but it will tend to stay as mixed and will not be as hazardous. If you spill some, you will not have to worry about a static discharge in your sweater blowing you to kingdom come as you scrub it off the floor. Joe bob allen wrote: Howdy Mike, Mike Weaver wrote: I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I can do. If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? The vapor pressure of a mixture of liquids is the weighted average, by mole fraction, of the vapor pressures of the contributing liquids. (the vapor pressure is the tendency of a liquid to turn in to a gas- the boiling point of a liquid is defined as the point when the vapor pressure of a liquid equals atmospheric pressure) Hence one would want to mix the most volatile, flammable liquid you can that is miscible with the biodiesel. If I were doing it I would start my mixing small amounts of white gas or gasoline with the biodiesel until I got the minimum proportion which supported combustion under the desired conditions. Isopropyl alcohol would work, but I think it has a higher vapor pressure and lower heat of combustion than gasoline so it would take a higher proportion to achieve the same effect. -Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like 10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. Not cheap though. On 12/6/06, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ J Mike Weaver wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.or
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
I would say try kerosene or heating oil. Gasoline is too volatile and can create explosive atmospheres. Keep the IPA for titrations!! it is one of the more difficult items to get. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I can do. If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? -Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like 10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. Not cheap though. On 12/6/06, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ J Mike Weaver wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biof
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Howdy Mike, Mike Weaver wrote: > I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or > later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I > can do. > If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I > would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? > I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? > The vapor pressure of a mixture of liquids is the weighted average, by mole fraction, of the vapor pressures of the contributing liquids. (the vapor pressure is the tendency of a liquid to turn in to a gas- the boiling point of a liquid is defined as the point when the vapor pressure of a liquid equals atmospheric pressure) Hence one would want to mix the most volatile, flammable liquid you can that is miscible with the biodiesel. If I were doing it I would start my mixing small amounts of white gas or gasoline with the biodiesel until I got the minimum proportion which supported combustion under the desired conditions. Isopropyl alcohol would work, but I think it has a higher vapor pressure and lower heat of combustion than gasoline so it would take a higher proportion to achieve the same effect. > -Mike > > Zeke Yewdall wrote: > >> What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel >> directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil >> furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are >> in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like >> 10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. >> >> http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. >> Not cheap though. >> >> >> On 12/6/06, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ >>> >>> J >>> >>> >>> Mike Weaver wrote: >>> >>> What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a >>> few sputters but no flame. >>> Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? >>> >>> Joe Street wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Mike >>> >>> For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on >>> BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch >>> to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a >>> beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons >>> roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and >>> need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor >>> to the jet. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> Mike Weaver wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and >>> that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of >>> Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on >>> the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it >>> again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says >>> you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came >>> smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW >>> the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. >>> >>> I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled >>> by BD. >>> >>> I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive >>> and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping >>> store said the thinner distillates works best. >>> >>> We'll see, >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Ken Dunn wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please, let us know how it does, Mike. >>> >>> Take care, >>> >>> >>> On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD >>> but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back >>> if I get it going. >>> >>> >>> Ken Dunn wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking >>> about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other >>> purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to >>> comment? >>> >>> Take care, >>> Ken >>> >>> ___ >>> Biofuel mailing list >>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>> messages): >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Biofuel mailing list >>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Maybe I could just throw the BD into the reactor tank and warm it up first. I do that sometimes anyway to clear cloudy BD. I would NOT count on a camping stove to light on BD the trail, unless you are in Arizona in July! Joe Street wrote: > Hi Ken; > > It's not a matter of re-jetting as I said the fuel has to be boiling > in the generator tube so that it is vapour which reaches the jet not > liquid. As long as there is enough heat it works great. Given enough > time a sterno flame can no doubt heat things enough but the problem is > generally the preheat fuel (sterno or whatever) burns itself out > before everything is hot enough. You could probably just re-prime it > maybe twice or three times before trying to light?? > > Joe > > Ken Dunn wrote: > >>Well that's bummer-style news there, Joe. I was hoping to use a >>multi-fuel stove on the trail as well as for preheating my biodiesel >>process. Of course, I suppose it would still be an improvement to use >>the stove for preheating wvo to make biodiesel even with the propane >>used from the torch to preheat the stove. Better than electricity or >>another petro based liquid fuel through out the whole process. Have >>you made any attempts to change the jet size on the stove? Would that >>be a worthwhile endeavor? How about adding acetone? (just kidding). >> >> >> >>On 12/6/06, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> I use jellied alcohol (like sterno but runny) for pre heating my stove on >>>the trail. It wasn't enough heat for the biodiesel though. Even with >>>kerosene it takes a prolonged period of preheat with sterno to light the >>>stove. If you turn the fuel valve on prematurely you get liquid coming out >>>the jet rather than vapor and then the liquid just burns with an awful sooty >>>yellow flame. With naptha (white gas) starting is a snap. With kerosene it >>>takes careful preparation, a wind screen and enough sterno. With BD it >>>takes a torch! >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> Ken Dunn wrote: >>> >>> Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to >>>pre-preheat it with a Sterno. >>> >>>On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a >>>few sputters but no flame. >>>Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? >>> >>>Joe Street wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Mike >>> >>>For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on >>>BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch >>>to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a >>>beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons >>>roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and >>>need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor >>>to the jet. >>> >>>Joe >>> >>>Mike Weaver wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and >>>that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of >>>Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on >>>the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it >>>again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says >>>you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came >>>smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW >>>the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. >>> >>>I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled >>>by BD. >>> >>>I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive >>>and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping >>>store said the thinner distillates works best. >>> >>>We'll see, >>> >>>Mike >>> >>>Ken Dunn wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please, let us know how it does, Mike. >>> >>>Take care, >>> >>> >>>On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD >>>but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back >>>if I get it going. >>> >>> >>>Ken Dunn wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking >>>about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other >>>purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to >>>comment? >>> >>>Take care, >>>Ken >>> >>>___ >>>Biofuel mailing list >>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>>messages): >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>>Biofuel mailing list >>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I can do. If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? -Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: >What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel >directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil >furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are >in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like >10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. > >http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. >Not cheap though. > > >On 12/6/06, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ >> >> J >> >> >> Mike Weaver wrote: >> >> What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a >>few sputters but no flame. >>Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? >> >>Joe Street wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Mike >> >>For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on >>BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch >>to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a >>beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons >>roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and >>need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor >>to the jet. >> >>Joe >> >>Mike Weaver wrote: >> >> >> >> So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and >>that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of >>Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on >>the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it >>again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says >>you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came >>smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW >>the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. >> >>I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled >>by BD. >> >>I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive >>and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping >>store said the thinner distillates works best. >> >>We'll see, >> >>Mike >> >>Ken Dunn wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Please, let us know how it does, Mike. >> >>Take care, >> >> >>On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD >>but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back >>if I get it going. >> >> >>Ken Dunn wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking >>about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other >>purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to >>comment? >> >>Take care, >>Ken >> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing li
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like 10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. Not cheap though. On 12/6/06, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ > > J > > > Mike Weaver wrote: > > What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a > few sputters but no flame. > Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? > > Joe Street wrote: > > > > Hi Mike > > For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on > BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch > to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a > beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons > roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and > need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor > to the jet. > > Joe > > Mike Weaver wrote: > > > > So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and > that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of > Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on > the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it > again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says > you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came > smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW > the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. > > I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled > by BD. > > I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive > and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping > store said the thinner distillates works best. > > We'll see, > > Mike > > Ken Dunn wrote: > > > > > > Please, let us know how it does, Mike. > > Take care, > > > On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD > but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back > if I get it going. > > > Ken Dunn wrote: > > > > > > > > What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking > about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other > purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to > comment? > > Take care, > Ken > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelist
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Hi Ken; It's not a matter of re-jetting as I said the fuel has to be boiling in the generator tube so that it is vapour which reaches the jet not liquid. As long as there is enough heat it works great. Given enough time a sterno flame can no doubt heat things enough but the problem is generally the preheat fuel (sterno or whatever) burns itself out before everything is hot enough. You could probably just re-prime it maybe twice or three times before trying to light?? Joe Ken Dunn wrote: Well that's bummer-style news there, Joe. I was hoping to use a multi-fuel stove on the trail as well as for preheating my biodiesel process. Of course, I suppose it would still be an improvement to use the stove for preheating wvo to make biodiesel even with the propane used from the torch to preheat the stove. Better than electricity or another petro based liquid fuel through out the whole process. Have you made any attempts to change the jet size on the stove? Would that be a worthwhile endeavor? How about adding acetone? (just kidding). On 12/6/06, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I use jellied alcohol (like sterno but runny) for pre heating my stove on the trail. It wasn't enough heat for the biodiesel though. Even with kerosene it takes a prolonged period of preheat with sterno to light the stove. If you turn the fuel valve on prematurely you get liquid coming out the jet rather than vapor and then the liquid just burns with an awful sooty yellow flame. With naptha (white gas) starting is a snap. With kerosene it takes careful preparation, a wind screen and enough sterno. With BD it takes a torch! Joe Ken Dunn wrote: Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to pre-preheat it with a Sterno. On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainab
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ J Mike Weaver wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http:/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Well that's bummer-style news there, Joe. I was hoping to use a multi-fuel stove on the trail as well as for preheating my biodiesel process. Of course, I suppose it would still be an improvement to use the stove for preheating wvo to make biodiesel even with the propane used from the torch to preheat the stove. Better than electricity or another petro based liquid fuel through out the whole process. Have you made any attempts to change the jet size on the stove? Would that be a worthwhile endeavor? How about adding acetone? (just kidding). On 12/6/06, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I use jellied alcohol (like sterno but runny) for pre heating my stove on > the trail. It wasn't enough heat for the biodiesel though. Even with > kerosene it takes a prolonged period of preheat with sterno to light the > stove. If you turn the fuel valve on prematurely you get liquid coming out > the jet rather than vapor and then the liquid just burns with an awful sooty > yellow flame. With naptha (white gas) starting is a snap. With kerosene it > takes careful preparation, a wind screen and enough sterno. With BD it > takes a torch! > > Joe > > Ken Dunn wrote: > > Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to > pre-preheat it with a Sterno. > > On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a > few sputters but no flame. > Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? > > Joe Street wrote: > > > > Hi Mike > > For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on > BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch > to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a > beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons > roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and > need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor > to the jet. > > Joe > > Mike Weaver wrote: > > > > So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and > that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of > Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on > the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it > again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says > you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came > smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW > the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. > > I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled > by BD. > > I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive > and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping > store said the thinner distillates works best. > > We'll see, > > Mike > > Ken Dunn wrote: > > > > > > Please, let us know how it does, Mike. > > Take care, > > > On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD > but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back > if I get it going. > > > Ken Dunn wrote: > > > > > > > > What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking > about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other > purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to > comment? > > Take care, > Ken > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
I use jellied alcohol (like sterno but runny) for pre heating my stove on the trail. It wasn't enough heat for the biodiesel though. Even with kerosene it takes a prolonged period of preheat with sterno to light the stove. If you turn the fuel valve on prematurely you get liquid coming out the jet rather than vapor and then the liquid just burns with an awful sooty yellow flame. With naptha (white gas) starting is a snap. With kerosene it takes careful preparation, a wind screen and enough sterno. With BD it takes a torch! Joe Ken Dunn wrote: Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to pre-preheat it with a Sterno. On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainab
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
I tried heating the vaporizing ring with a propane torch Ken Dunn wrote: >Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to >pre-preheat it with a Sterno. > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to pre-preheat it with a Sterno. On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a > few sputters but no flame. > Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? > > Joe Street wrote: > > > Hi Mike > > > > For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on > > BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch > > to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a > > beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons > > roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and > > need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor > > to the jet. > > > > Joe > > > > Mike Weaver wrote: > > > >>So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and > >>that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of > >>Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on > >>the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it > >>again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says > >>you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came > >>smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW > >>the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. > >> > >>I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled > >>by BD. > >> > >>I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive > >>and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping > >>store said the thinner distillates works best. > >> > >>We'll see, > >> > >>Mike > >> > >>Ken Dunn wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Please, let us know how it does, Mike. > >>> > >>>Take care, > >>> > >>> > >>>On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD > but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back > if I get it going. > > > Ken Dunn wrote: > > > > > > >What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking > >about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other > >purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to > >comment? > > > >Take care, > >Ken > > > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > >>>___ > >>>Biofuel mailing list > >>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >>> > >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >>> > >>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >>>messages): > >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>___ > >>Biofuel mailing list > >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >> > >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >>messages): > >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: > Hi Mike > > For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on > BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch > to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a > beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons > roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and > need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor > to the jet. > > Joe > > Mike Weaver wrote: > >>So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and >>that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of >>Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on >>the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it >>again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says >>you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came >>smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW >>the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. >> >>I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled >>by BD. >> >>I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive >>and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping >>store said the thinner distillates works best. >> >>We'll see, >> >>Mike >> >>Ken Dunn wrote: >> >> >> >>>Please, let us know how it does, Mike. >>> >>>Take care, >>> >>> >>>On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: >What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking >about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other >purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to >comment? > >Take care, >Ken > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>>___ >>>Biofuel mailing list >>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: >Please, let us know how it does, Mike. > >Take care, > > >On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD >>but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back >>if I get it going. >> >> >>Ken Dunn wrote: >> >> >> >>>What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking >>>about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other >>>purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to >>>comment? >>> >>>Take care, >>>Ken >>> >>>___ >>>Biofuel mailing list >>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt?
Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD > but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back > if I get it going. > > > Ken Dunn wrote: > > >What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking > >about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other > >purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to > >comment? > > > >Take care, > >Ken > > > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt?
Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: >What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking >about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other >purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to >comment? > >Take care, >Ken > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
