[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006
Hi, Kurt is working hard on it and is very busy. Patience. Domenico --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am only a previous SVG.Open organizer (2002, Zurich). Unfortunately, I don't have much more information besides what is listed on the webpage. I am also a bit frustrated about the progress of this year's conference. My latest information is that the conference will take place at the envisage date. My hope is that the local organizer team will soon update the webpage with additional information. Sorry for not having any better information. Andreas --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, kuko_ako kuko_ako@ wrote: I've left multiple messages both for Kurt and the contacts for the conference, but I haven't had any return calls or any newer piece of information. I'm starting to get very frustrated!... Why don't they just tell us whether it's a go or no go? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006
Hi, I am only a previous SVG.Open organizer (2002, Zurich). Unfortunately, I don't have much more information besides what is listed on the webpage. I am also a bit frustrated about the progress of this year's conference. My latest information is that the conference will take place at the envisage date. My hope is that the local organizer team will soon update the webpage with additional information. Sorry for not having any better information. Andreas --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, kuko_ako [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've left multiple messages both for Kurt and the contacts for the conference, but I haven't had any return calls or any newer piece of information. I'm starting to get very frustrated!... Why don't they just tell us whether it's a go or no go? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006
I've left multiple messages both for Kurt and the contacts for the conference, but I haven't had any return calls or any newer piece of information. I'm starting to get very frustrated!... Why don't they just tell us whether it's a go or no go? --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, ddailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone does hear back from Kurt, could you post what you find out here? Others of us might like to know as well. regards, David - Original Message - From: Alastair Fettes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:37 PM Subject: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 I would suggest forwarding your questions and concerns to Kurt Cagle (kurt dot cagle at gmail dot com). Cheers, Alastair Fettes --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, kuko_ako kuko_ako@ wrote: Does anybody know what the status of the conference is? Will it push through as scheduled or is it being canceled? A month ago, the site said Aug. 1st was the early bird registration deadline, but the site now says it's not yet open to registration. I imagine SVG enthusiasts need to be able to make travel plans. What gives? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006
If someone does hear back from Kurt, could you post what you find out here? Others of us might like to know as well. regards, David - Original Message - From: Alastair Fettes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:37 PM Subject: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 I would suggest forwarding your questions and concerns to Kurt Cagle (kurt dot cagle at gmail dot com). Cheers, Alastair Fettes --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, kuko_ako [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know what the status of the conference is? Will it push through as scheduled or is it being canceled? A month ago, the site said Aug. 1st was the early bird registration deadline, but the site now says it's not yet open to registration. I imagine SVG enthusiasts need to be able to make travel plans. What gives? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 VICTORIA-It'll be great! (was: SVG Open 2006 VANCOUVER-It'll be great!)
It's been a long day..what can I say, except I guess that sometimes one should just maybe enjoy a glass or two of Guinnes, and then go to bed, and quit bothering folks. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Francis- While you're in Vancouver, you should pop over to Victoria. It's a short trip to the island by ferry, and it's where the rest of us will be having SVG Open. ;) Seriously, it may seem strange, but Victoria (the capitol of BC) is on Vancouver Island. Vancouver City, however, is not; it's on the coast of the mainland. SVG Open 2003 was in Vancouver City, but SVG Open 2006 will be in Victoria, about 45 miles (73 km, 39 nautical miles) away. Regards- Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. | -Original Message- | From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Francis Hemsher | Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:00 AM | To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com | Subject: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 VANCOUVER-It'll be great! | | Here I am, again offering apologies :( | Firstly to Kurt Cagle, who will do a great job in VANCOUVER | in 2006, then to the SVGopen folks who really are | sweathearts, and have been gracious all ways. | | Francis | | Doug Wrote, | Hi, Travsam- | | Just so you know, SVG Open will *not* be in San Diego. It will be | on the | west coast, though, in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada (near | Vancouver). | Not as close for you, I'm afraid, but probably not much more | expensive if | you are flying. | | This does not preclude there being SVG presentations at other | conferences | near you. I will try to keep a current list, as far as I am able, | at: | http://svg-whiz.com/wiki/index.php?title=Conferences | | Regards- | Doug | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. | | | jucabapa79 wrote: | | | | San Diego?? | | | | Sounds interesting!!! | | | | I am also a newbie in SVG Development but here in | Kanazawa, Japan I | | learned a lot about it. I am ending my project using this | technology | | and is great. | | | | I am coming back to Mexico to the end of this year, but I hope to | | quickly get a job and have enough money to go to the next year | | conference. | | | | I will try to follow the line of those conferences. | | | | Greetings | | | | Travsam | | | | | Yahoo! Groups Sponsor | ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing | politics. Click and talk back! | http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM | -- | --~- | | - | To unsubscribe send a message to: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -or- | visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click | edit my membership | | Yahoo! Groups Links | | | | | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/118 - Release | Date: 10/3/2005 | | Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Andreas Neumann wrote: Personally, I would very regret if the SVG people, community and the W3C would only go after the mobile market and neglect the desktop. I think both desktop and mobile can benefit from each other and I would not separate the two in future SVG.Open conferences. SVG has much to offer on the desktop even if its market share is not yet too big. Hi Andreas, The desktop is the development environment of mobile community. Therefore, it will benefit supremely by needs of that market. Regards, Francis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
This being said, it seems a little bit unfair to state that the US is less interested than Europe or Asia in open standards. I was under the impression that HTML and XML are quite successful here! that was probably a inconsiderate statement of mine - I apologize. But with the notable exception of Vancouver, SVG Open was/is organized on the campus of some nice Universities (Tokyo, Enschede, Victoria,...). In the US, you will need to go after Companies to organize such a thing. You asked individual developers, and this won't do. I have nothing against more commercialization. I think it is necessary and there is more demand towards that direction. But I would not like the commercialization aspect to be overwhelming. And the conference should be affordable also to students and OS programmers (be it through rebates, scolarships or both). If there is more commercialization of the conference we have to ensure that the quality of the conference remains high. Otherwise we run into the risk that conference attendees can only talk to (sometimes technically incompetent) sales people and can't reach the developers and content creators. That said, I would welcome more commercial support in the conference, but in a controlled way. But you have to discuss these issues mainly with Kurt Cagle who also runs a separate forum for the conference preparation. If university people organize the SVG.Open conference you also have to take into account that these people (I include myself into that group) are probably not that experienced in marketing and would probably need a hand from you guys from the marketing world. On the other hand, using university facilities for cheap (or free in some cases) was/is also invaluable and I doubt if the first SVG.Open conferences would have made it without the help of universities. Besides, SVG on the desktop is still (at best) a few years away from being successful. SVG Mobile is the big thing here so unless we are ready to shift the focus from SVG desktop to SVG Mobile, it will be difficult to capture the attention of the US. Well, if you look at the proceedings and contributions of the past SVG.Open conferences SVG mobile was always very well represented. SVG mobile always had own tracks and a high percentage of the presentations covered that topic. I agree that one could discuss putting the mobile aspect into the conference title/subtitle or more prominently marketing that aspect. Personally, I would very regret if the SVG people, community and the W3C would only go after the mobile market and neglect the desktop. I think both desktop and mobile can benefit from each other and I would not separate the two in future SVG.Open conferences. SVG has much to offer on the desktop even if its market share is not yet too big. All the best, Andreas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Andreas, I totally agree with this. To clarify a bit, I don't mean that we should focus only on the Mobile SVG side. I only believe that most companies interested in SVG in the Bay Area are interested mainly in the Mobile side. But the Bay Area is not the world! Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This being said, it seems a little bit unfair to state that the US is less interested than Europe or Asia in open standards. I was under the impression that HTML and XML are quite successful here! that was probably a inconsiderate statement of mine - I apologize. But with the notable exception of Vancouver, SVG Open was/is organized on the campus of some nice Universities (Tokyo, Enschede, Victoria,...). In the US, you will need to go after Companies to organize such a thing. You asked individual developers, and this won't do. I have nothing against more commercialization. I think it is necessary and there is more demand towards that direction. But I would not like the commercialization aspect to be overwhelming. And the conference should be affordable also to students and OS programmers (be it through rebates, scolarships or both). If there is more commercialization of the conference we have to ensure that the quality of the conference remains high. Otherwise we run into the risk that conference attendees can only talk to (sometimes technically incompetent) sales people and can't reach the developers and content creators. That said, I would welcome more commercial support in the conference, but in a controlled way. But you have to discuss these issues mainly with Kurt Cagle who also runs a separate forum for the conference preparation. If university people organize the SVG.Open conference you also have to take into account that these people (I include myself into that group) are probably not that experienced in marketing and would probably need a hand from you guys from the marketing world. On the other hand, using university facilities for cheap (or free in some cases) was/is also invaluable and I doubt if the first SVG.Open conferences would have made it without the help of universities. Besides, SVG on the desktop is still (at best) a few years away from being successful. SVG Mobile is the big thing here so unless we are ready to shift the focus from SVG desktop to SVG Mobile, it will be difficult to capture the attention of the US. Well, if you look at the proceedings and contributions of the past SVG.Open conferences SVG mobile was always very well represented. SVG mobile always had own tracks and a high percentage of the presentations covered that topic. I agree that one could discuss putting the mobile aspect into the conference title/subtitle or more prominently marketing that aspect. Personally, I would very regret if the SVG people, community and the W3C would only go after the mobile market and neglect the desktop. I think both desktop and mobile can benefit from each other and I would not separate the two in future SVG.Open conferences. SVG has much to offer on the desktop even if its market share is not yet too big. All the best, Andreas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
San Diego?? Sounds interesting!!! I am also a newbie in SVG Development but here in Kanazawa, Japan I learned a lot about it. I am ending my project using this technology and is great. I am coming back to Mexico to the end of this year, but I hope to quickly get a job and have enough money to go to the next year conference. I will try to follow the line of those conferences. Greetings Travsam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Hi, Travsam- Just so you know, SVG Open will *not* be in San Diego. It will be on the west coast, though, in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada (near Vancouver). Not as close for you, I'm afraid, but probably not much more expensive if you are flying. This does not preclude there being SVG presentations at other conferences near you. I will try to keep a current list, as far as I am able, at: http://svg-whiz.com/wiki/index.php?title=Conferences Regards- Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. jucabapa79 wrote: | | San Diego?? | | Sounds interesting!!! | | I am also a newbie in SVG Development but here in Kanazawa, | Japan I learned a lot about it. I am ending my project using | this technology and is great. | | I am coming back to Mexico to the end of this year, but I | hope to quickly get a job and have enough money to go to the | next year conference. | | I will try to follow the line of those conferences. | | Greetings | | Travsam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Victoria is a beautiful place, and it will be a pleasure to meet there. This being said, it seems a little bit unfair to state that the US is less interested than Europe or Asia in open standards. I was under the impression that HTML and XML are quite successful here! But with the notable exception of Vancouver, SVG Open was/is organized on the campus of some nice Universities (Tokyo, Enschede, Victoria,...). In the US, you will need to go after Companies to organize such a thing. You asked individual developers, and this won't do. Besides, SVG on the desktop is still (at best) a few years away from being successful. SVG Mobile is the big thing here so unless we are ready to shift the focus from SVG desktop to SVG Mobile, it will be difficult to capture the attention of the US. My 2 cents, with the others... Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Francis, it was the original plan to have the SVG.Open 2006 conference in the US. I approached Michael Bolger about investigating the possibility to have it somewhere in California. . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Victoria is a beautiful place, and it will be a pleasure to meet there. This being said, it seems a little bit unfair to state that the US is less interested than Europe or Asia in open standards. I was under the impression that HTML and XML are quite successful here! But with the notable exception of Vancouver, SVG Open was/is organized on the campus of some nice Universities (Tokyo, Enschede, Victoria,...). In the US, you will need to go after Companies to organize such a thing. You asked individual developers, and this won't do. Besides, SVG on the desktop is still (at best) a few years away from being successful. SVG Mobile is the big thing here so unless we are ready to shift the focus from SVG desktop to SVG Mobile, it will be difficult to capture the attention of the US. My 2 cents, with the others... Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Francis, it was the original plan to have the SVG.Open 2006 conference in the US. I approached Michael Bolger about investigating the possibility to have it somewhere in California. . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Hi Doug and Francis, I work for a small company in Los Angeles and our web based application is centered on SVG (IE6/ASV3). Regardless of the fact that I consider myself a newbie, I am the local SVG guru... :) I would have loved to participate in the SVG Open conference, but our travel budged is kinda tight, so if the Open comes to San Diego, hell, I will walk down there. I have no idea how I can help, but if you have any ideas I am open for suggestions... Peter -Original Message- From: Francis Hemsher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:21 PM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego? Doug, As always, you are well-informed. I agree with your evaluation of Kurt, his efforts, and Victoria. But you must understand that I believe that SVG can best be served by a serious US recognition at this time. Shucks, if the opening came to San Diego, I probably would have work SO hard to help it happen..I don't want this. I'd rather go to Victoria and enjoy its lovely environment. Anyway, if others feel that SVG would be best supported at this time by coming to San Diego U.S., and they can offer their support, then let that be an indicator...If none respond, then I am wrong in my assumptions. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Francis- Actually, as I learned at SO2005, the original location for SVG Open 2006 was slated to be San Francisco, but the plan had to be nixed. I think the reasons cited were a lack of local sponsors willing to commit early on (a serious blow) and trouble finding a venue that could keep costs down. Nobody else stepped up to the plate, and I am personally very appreciative to Kurt Cagle for jumping in at the last minute to arrange for it to be in Victoria, BC, Canada. He had to scramble to take care of those 2 things, and he did it well (though I'm sure there's still much to do on those accounts). Another factor, as I understand it, is that it can be rather difficult in this post-9-11 America for foreigners to get US visas on short notice (say, 3-6 months). This would threaten the number of possible attendees and presenters (who might not know whether their presentations were accepted until a few months beforehand). Besides, Victoria is beautiful, and it's easily reached from the US. I don't see how it threatens the US SVG market or American attendees at all. As for the US being the best market, just try to buy an SVG-enabled phone here. :( Plus? In Victoria? Kick-butt whale-watching rides on a zippy little zodiac! I didn't see any whales, but it was like a 2-hour long log-flume ride cracking over those waves. And I got to eat seaweed right out of the ocean. (The only thing I got in San Diego was a really bad case of sunburn...) It is a very challenging commitment for someone to undertake the organization of a conference, and while it's regrettable that not every need can be accomodated, I salute those who are willing to take on the task. Regards- Doug Mysterious SVG Conspirator At Large doug . schepers @ vectoreal.com www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. Francis Hemsher wrote: | | I think it is extremely foolish of the SVG powers-that-are to | continually ignore the US to host its open. Do you think we | are a bunch of unaware SVGers? If so, you are much | un-informed, and offer an insult to your best market. I don't | understand this hesitancy on your part? | Are you afraid the the US market will take away your control | of a currently weak SVG presentation? You're probably right. | Do you want SVG to succeed, or would you rather it continue | to meander in the limbo of its present existence? | | Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Hi Marc, go after Companies to organize such a thing. You asked individual developers I was an investigator:) , I am very happy with Victoria. My apologies for not contacting you as to San Francisco, Discussed/dialog with many contacts with companies in the area. Funding processes are time consuming, and in this case rather problematic as to other factors. best regards Michael m_verstaen wrote: Victoria is a beautiful place, and it will be a pleasure to meet there. This being said, it seems a little bit unfair to state that the US is less interested than Europe or Asia in open standards. I was under the impression that HTML and XML are quite successful here! But with the notable exception of Vancouver, SVG Open was/is organized on the campus of some nice Universities (Tokyo, Enschede, Victoria,...). In the US, you will need to go after Companies to organize such a thing. You asked individual developers, and this won't do. Besides, SVG on the desktop is still (at best) a few years away from being successful. SVG Mobile is the big thing here so unless we are ready to shift the focus from SVG desktop to SVG Mobile, it will be difficult to capture the attention of the US. My 2 cents, with the others... Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Francis, it was the original plan to have the SVG.Open 2006 conference in the US. I approached Michael Bolger about investigating the possibility to have it somewhere in California. . - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Peter Kalev wrote: I work for a small company in Los Angeles and our web based application is centered on SVG (IE6/ASV3). Regardless of the fact that I consider myself a newbie, I am the local SVG guru... :) I would have loved to participate in the SVG Open conference, but our travel budged is kinda tight, so if the Open comes to San Diego, hell, I will walk down there. There are loads of XML conferences that are very happy to see some SVG folks tag along. I'm sure if anyone wants to try coordinating with OSCon's XML folks (it should be in Portland or San Diego) for the summer or with XML 2006 for next fall (don't know where it'll be, but in the US for sure), then get in touch with them, I'm sure they'll help. -- Robin Berjon Senior Research Scientist Expway, http://expway.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Why not include the SVG Mobile within the SVG conference and make it a bigger impact. I work in planning events for organisers in the exhibition industry in the UK and have seen many sucesses where a smaller player (not saying SVG is a small player) is included within the event. For example, a large machinery show included a smaller exhibition alongside it called Tooling. The Tooling show expanded due to interests from the Machinery show and is now 30-40% of the overall exhibition. Maybe the same could be done for SVG where you have *The SVG Mobile and Desktop Conference 2006 *An Event showcasing mobile SVG and desktop products from major players such as company1...blahblah blah...loads of blahh etc.. the latest incompany massive...blah (hope you get my drift. I would say you will get more companies/developers exhibiting from both sides, okay so more may come from the mobile area but does not mean they will not be interested in the desktop side. Its only a thought but I presume the SVG Conference is a non-profit organisation so the budget is not there for marketing etc.. If whoever organises the event is interested in the above suggestion I could possibly ask contacts in the industry (leading event organisers) about how to move forward etc. and possibly any help they may give. Maybe an event that is currently ongoing in the mobile arena I could ask if they would include a seminar conference part to it etc... If I dont know someone, i pretty much know someone who does. If you dont ask you dont get so I will definitely suggest it to some people within the industry if the organisers of the SVG Conference are willing for me to ask. Regards Richard Gnyla * * m_verstaen wrote: Victoria is a beautiful place, and it will be a pleasure to meet there. This being said, it seems a little bit unfair to state that the US is less interested than Europe or Asia in open standards. I was under the impression that HTML and XML are quite successful here! But with the notable exception of Vancouver, SVG Open was/is organized on the campus of some nice Universities (Tokyo, Enschede, Victoria,...). In the US, you will need to go after Companies to organize such a thing. You asked individual developers, and this won't do. Besides, SVG on the desktop is still (at best) a few years away from being successful. SVG Mobile is the big thing here so unless we are ready to shift the focus from SVG desktop to SVG Mobile, it will be difficult to capture the attention of the US. My 2 cents, with the others... Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Francis, it was the original plan to have the SVG.Open 2006 conference in the US. I approached Michael Bolger about investigating the possibility to have it somewhere in California. . - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses for your protection] -- Kind Regards Richard K Gnyla Eventex Solutions t . 01905 758 745 m . 07801 365 146 e . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Solutions for the events and exhibition industry - www.eventex.co.uk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
I'll be happy to help with SVG open paris 2008 if any ... This would have to be confirmed but we could probably use INRIA conference center for free... Best DJ - Original Message - From: Michael Bolger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego? In fairness to SVG Open, it being a very_young graphics conference in contrast to SIGGRAPH. SIGGRAPH has learned and developed a process by which the Venue is set 4 years in advance. So as we could all be scouting:) locations within the respective format, Paris might be good for 2008, San Fransisco in 2009:-) Michael Michael Bolger wrote: Hi Francis and Doug, as I was helping with this process, in the spring 2005 was a basic list of locations to investigate: 1) San Fransisco 2) Victoria/Vancouver 3) San Diego 1 and 3 required a 30-50% down on venues 1 year in advance (preferred is 2 years in advance), let us say modestly $50,000 cash down:( with all the turbulence around Adobe-Macromedia (not that it was their fault), the timing for funding was just not in the cards. Kurt and his team will do a great job, British Columbia has an outstanding group of XML folks, Victoria, all things considered will be a big winner for SVG. It is wonderful up there:). regards Michael Bolger Francis Hemsher wrote: Doug, As always, you are well-informed. I agree with your evaluation of Kurt, his efforts, and Victoria. But you must understand that I believe that SVG can best be served by a serious US recognition at this time. Shucks, if the opening came to San Diego, I probably would have work SO hard to help it happen..I don't want this. I'd rather go to Victoria and enjoy its lovely environment. Anyway, if others feel that SVG would be best supported at this time by coming to San Diego U.S., and they can offer their support, then let that be an indicator...If none respond, then I am wrong in my assumptions. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Francis- Actually, as I learned at SO2005, the original location for SVG Open 2006 was slated to be San Francisco, but the plan had to be nixed. I think the reasons cited were a lack of local sponsors willing to commit early on (a serious blow) and trouble finding a venue that could keep costs down. Nobody else stepped up to the plate, and I am personally very appreciative to Kurt Cagle for jumping in at the last minute to arrange for it to be in Victoria, BC, Canada. He had to scramble to take care of those 2 things, and he did it well (though I'm sure there's still much to do on those accounts). Another factor, as I understand it, is that it can be rather difficult in this post-9-11 America for foreigners to get US visas on short notice (say, 3-6 months). This would threaten the number of possible attendees and presenters (who might not know whether their presentations were accepted until a few months beforehand). Besides, Victoria is beautiful, and it's easily reached from the US. I don't see how it threatens the US SVG market or American attendees at all. As for the US being the best market, just try to buy an SVG-enabled phone here. :( Plus? In Victoria? Kick-butt whale-watching rides on a zippy little zodiac! I didn't see any whales, but it was like a 2-hour long log-flume ride cracking over those waves. And I got to eat seaweed right out of the ocean. (The only thing I got in San Diego was a really bad case of sunburn...) It is a very challenging commitment for someone to undertake the organization of a conference, and while it's regrettable that not every need can be accomodated, I salute those who are willing to take on the task. Regards- Doug Mysterious SVG Conspirator At Large doug . schepers @ vectoreal.com www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. Francis Hemsher wrote: | | I think it is extremely foolish of the SVG powers-that-are to | continually ignore the US to host its open. Do you think we | are a bunch of unaware SVGers? If so, you are much | un-informed, and offer an insult to your best market. I don't | understand this hesitancy on your part? | Are you afraid the the US market will take away your control | of a currently weak SVG presentation? You're probably right. | Do you want SVG to succeed, or would you rather it continue | to meander in the limbo of its present existence? | | Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Hi DJ, thanks for the offer. I will keep that in mind when discussing the options for the next european conference. It would be great to have a conference in France. Andreas --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, benamou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be happy to help with SVG open paris 2008 if any ... This would have to be confirmed but we could probably use INRIA conference center for free... Best DJ - Original Message - From: Michael Bolger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego? In fairness to SVG Open, it being a very_young graphics conference in contrast to SIGGRAPH. SIGGRAPH has learned and developed a process by which the Venue is set 4 years in advance. So as we could all be scouting:) locations within the respective format, Paris might be good for 2008, San Fransisco in 2009:-) Michael Michael Bolger wrote: Hi Francis and Doug, as I was helping with this process, in the spring 2005 was a basic list of locations to investigate: 1) San Fransisco 2) Victoria/Vancouver 3) San Diego 1 and 3 required a 30-50% down on venues 1 year in advance (preferred is 2 years in advance), let us say modestly $50,000 cash down:( with all the turbulence around Adobe-Macromedia (not that it was their fault), the timing for funding was just not in the cards. Kurt and his team will do a great job, British Columbia has an outstanding group of XML folks, Victoria, all things considered will be a big winner for SVG. It is wonderful up there:). regards Michael Bolger Francis Hemsher wrote: Doug, As always, you are well-informed. I agree with your evaluation of Kurt, his efforts, and Victoria. But you must understand that I believe that SVG can best be served by a serious US recognition at this time. Shucks, if the opening came to San Diego, I probably would have work SO hard to help it happen..I don't want this. I'd rather go to Victoria and enjoy its lovely environment. Anyway, if others feel that SVG would be best supported at this time by coming to San Diego U.S., and they can offer their support, then let that be an indicator...If none respond, then I am wrong in my assumptions. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Francis- Actually, as I learned at SO2005, the original location for SVG Open 2006 was slated to be San Francisco, but the plan had to be nixed. I think the reasons cited were a lack of local sponsors willing to commit early on (a serious blow) and trouble finding a venue that could keep costs down. Nobody else stepped up to the plate, and I am personally very appreciative to Kurt Cagle for jumping in at the last minute to arrange for it to be in Victoria, BC, Canada. He had to scramble to take care of those 2 things, and he did it well (though I'm sure there's still much to do on those accounts). Another factor, as I understand it, is that it can be rather difficult in this post-9-11 America for foreigners to get US visas on short notice (say, 3-6 months). This would threaten the number of possible attendees and presenters (who might not know whether their presentations were accepted until a few months beforehand). Besides, Victoria is beautiful, and it's easily reached from the US. I don't see how it threatens the US SVG market or American attendees at all. As for the US being the best market, just try to buy an SVG-enabled phone here. :( Plus? In Victoria? Kick-butt whale-watching rides on a zippy little zodiac! I didn't see any whales, but it was like a 2-hour long log-flume ride cracking over those waves. And I got to eat seaweed right out of the ocean. (The only thing I got in San Diego was a really bad case of sunburn...) It is a very challenging commitment for someone to undertake the organization of a conference, and while it's regrettable that not every need can be accomodated, I salute those who are willing to take on the task. Regards- Doug Mysterious SVG Conspirator At Large doug . schepers @ vectoreal.com www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. Francis Hemsher wrote: | | I think it is extremely foolish of the SVG powers-that-are to | continually ignore the US to host its open. Do you think we | are a bunch of unaware SVGers? If so, you are much | un-informed, and offer an insult to your best market. I don't | understand this hesitancy on your part? | Are you afraid the the US market will take away your control
RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
_ From: Francis Hemsher Hi Andreas, your two cents are appreciated. For some reason, over the past few months, interest in SVG has shifted substanially from Europe/Asia to the US: I closely monitor calls to SVG-oriented sites. MB This sounds a little ominous and from a practical standpoint. how are you monitoring this for sites you don't own? (Unless of course, they publish their log files.) Since this is your data point, I'd love to understand it better. Michael _ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
