Re: t-and-f: Is the list down?
I'm waiting for ESPN2's Sunday Penn Relay program that has the distance events. John wrote: > Penn and Drake and no messages today(Sunday) when is going on?
Re: t-and-f: IAAF Pays damages in Krabbe case
Butch's problem was he was awarded too much money - I think it was $27 million. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I find it interesting that the Butch Reynolds case was appealed and Krabbe's > was not.
t-and-f: Worthy topic: Save BG track
Here's a great web site dedicated to keeping track at Bowling Green. If there's nothing to talk about, lets help these guys out. http://personal.bgsu.edu/~jsquire/
Re: t-and-f: 5K stats goof
Six seconds each is in the bag, but does it have to be this year? They'll be at 26:30 next season. Combine Ritz and the Torres twins, and that three-person time could be history also. Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: > > one sharp-eyed list member has already caught this bit of foolishness on > my part: > > > > << > but again, that's not even the best Duck total (!). That came the next > year, with McChesney (13:18.6) and Salazar (13:23.62) totalling >26:42.2. > > > > 'tis but a trifle. > > So, any bets on whether Ritz and Torres can knock off 6 seconds each and > surpass the Ducks? If they do it after NCAA's, it would still count? > > - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Horse sense (was: Junior nonesense)
Yep! Happens all the time in Junior Olypics with track moms. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It's similar to horse racing, where every horse's age is based on the year of > its birth, not the actual date. > > I recall some old TV show in which a thoroughbred was about to foal on New > Year's Eve, and the owners rushed her in a trailer over the time zone so the > horse would be born in the next year. I seem to recall Dennis Weaver as one > of the actors (so there's a track connection) > > Jim Gerweck > Running Times
Re: t-and-f: Junior nonsense
But, since "Junior Olympics" is divided into six two-year age divisions, track moms have to be a little more creative than Texas football moms, who can simply have that little lineman repeat the seventh grade so he's bigger than he would have been in his regular class. CHRIS KUYKENDALL wrote: > 1) John Friedman writes: > > < couple of days prevents competing as a junior for an entire year? > Why not have a systme in which an athlete could compete as a > junior and set records as a junior up until his or her 20th birthday, > at which point the status would end?>> > > Comment: I always assumed that it was in order to avoid official > manipulations and arguments as to when exactly a meet is going > to be scheduled. Or when the events in a meet are staged. (But > golly gee whiz, Wally, can't you move event X to day one so that > my guy can?) > > 2) Later John clarifies his views: > > < fairly straightforward - you compete as a junior until you are 20. > If this means that the 4th place at the trials must step in because > the winner turned 20, so be it>> > > Comment: A good argument, but I still don't think it addresses > issues of deciding when a particular meet or event is to occur. > > 3) Meanwhile, Ed Grant says: > > < approach: > > For records, the age as of the date of the performance should > count. > > For the world, US and other junior meets, however, a standard > date has to be used (otherwise, you;d have people eligible for > the qualifying meet and not for the championship).>> > > Comment: I don't see how you can have a standard date if one > year the World Junior Championships are in, say Melbourne, > and the next time around they're in, say, Helsinki. If that's what > Ed means by a standard date. Anyway, I prefer the status quo, > with one definition of junior. Keep it simple. > > 4) Bob Hersh subsequently responds: > > < championship race but not for the final.>> > > Comment: Yeah, I think it would just produce a lot of > complication to have to debate and sort out and produce > qualifying rules on. > > 5) And finally, Mike Prizy comically on pre-birth time zone > switcharoo travel: > > <> > > Comment: I would think the really forward-looking prospective > track mom could attain a fairly age-optimal "junior" by other > means. > > Chris Kuykendall > Austin, Texas
t-and-f: Texas mile: 'Must be the shoes, Mike'
This was sent to me from a proud uncle. The proud father of Texas sophomore Brian Sullivan happens to be a t-and-f lister here. Brian ran 9:04 a couple weeks back. The second paragraph below might explain Brian's modest third-place time at the Texas state meet, but later pulled out a nice win in the 1600. He might be a super soph, but he's still a kid. ++ Brian Sullivan (a sophomore) won the 1600m this evening at the Texas State Track Meet (5A - biggest schools) in 4:14.? John (the dad) said he ran a :58 second last 400m. Pretty windy down the backstretch I heard. Earlier in the day he was 3rd (9:21) in the 3200m. (John said 10 minutes before the 3200, he realized he had 2 left spikes! He wears size 12, but had to run the 3200 in a teammates size 10.5. They made a trip to the local running shoe store in Austin before the 1600!) (from the uncle) Mike Sullivan
t-and-f: Ill:Odlaug 10:31;FrLJ19-0;Fr11.83
Meet in progress Illinois High School Association AA & A Girls' State Meet Finals Charleston, Ill. - Eastern Ill. University www.IHSA.org Live web broadcast available Mostly Cloudy 55°F UV Index: 5 Moderate Wind: From the North at 22 mph Dew Point: 36°F Humidity: 49 % Visibility: Unlimited Barometer: 30.22 inches and steady Partial Class AA results No wind gage reports at this time 3200 1 Erika Odlaug (Sr.), Deerfield 10:31.33 2 Maureen Scott (Sr.), Mahomet (M.-Seymour) 10:47.85 3 Jean Marinangeli (Sr.), Buffalo Grove 10:52.98 4 Gada Qafisheh (Fr.), Wheeling 10:56.65 5 Jacqui Aubert (So.), Crystal Lake (South) 10:57.22 No state record in the 3200. Odlaug was chasing a mark set last year by her Nat. Jr. XC teammate, Maria Cicero (see below.) 3200-meter run records National 9:48.59 (FAT), Kimberly Mortensen, Thousand Oaks, CA, 1996 IHSA 10:13.0 (MT), Suzie Tuffey, Peoria (Bergan), 1984 (finals) Class A 10:13.0 (MT), Suzie Tuffey, Peoria (Bergan), 1984 (finals) Class AA 10:17.28 (FAT), Maria Cicero, Elmhurst (York), 2001 (finals) Long Jump 1 Alexandria Anderson (Fr.), Chicago (Morgan Park) 19' 0 1/4" 2 Jessica Stockard (Sr.), Alton (Sr.)18' 8 1/2" 3 Sherlenia Green (Jr.), Vernon Hills18' 4 3/4" 4 Lakecia Leavy (Jr.), Chicago (Morgan Park) 18' 4 1/2" PV 1 Elizabeth Boyle (Sr.), Winnetka (New Trier)11' 6" 2 Ashley Stinton (Sr.), St. Charles (East) 11' 0" HJ 1 Nicole Williams (Fr.), Sterling (H.S.) 5' 7" 2 Sara Thomas (So.), Belleville (Althoff)5' 5" 100H 1 Dawn Harper (Sr.), East St. Louis (Sr.):13.82 2 Nancy Figueroa (Sr.), Palatine (H.S.) :14.57 3 Tiffany Johnson (Jr.), Danville (H.S.) :14.57 100 1 Alexandria Anderson (Fr.), Chicago (Morgan Park) :11.83 2 Traciann Henry (So.), Evanston (Twp.) :12.04 3 Candice Neal (Jr.), Chicago (Morgan Park) :12.04 4 Shantrell Jenkins (Fr.), North Chicago :12.17 5 Monique Brown (Sr.), Dolton (Thornridge) :12.18 4x800 1 Barrington 9:29.99 Ryan Wolff (Sr.), Laura Bunge (Sr.), Erin Frommeyer (So.), Christina Fiduccia (So.) 2 Schaumburg 9:32.79 Laura Zdunek (Jr.), Thakshila Koswatta (Sr.), Kelly Gallagher (So.), Laura Pearson (So.) 3 Palatine (H.S.) 9:33.02 Stephanie Abram (So.), Lauren Brosio (Sr.), Shane Evans (Jr.), Suzy Turner (So.) 4x100 1 Chicago (Morgan Park) :47.50 Damaris Parchment (Sr.), Candice Neal (Jr.), Sara Logan (So.), Alexandria Anderson (Fr.) 2 Evanston (Twp.) :47.96 Sandra Adlam (Sr.), Traciann Henry (So.), Mya Edwards (Jr.), Michelle Smart (Sr.) 800 1 Samantha Polock (Jr.), Wheaton (North) 2:14.65 2 Jordan Laney (Jr.), Hinsdale (Central) 2:15.55 3 Jenny Toler (Fr.), Elk Grove Village (E.G.)2:17.79 4 Summer Owens (So.), Mt. Vernon 2:17.91 5 Sarah Batkiewicz (Sr.), Bradley (B.-Bourbonnais) 2:18.64
t-and-f: Illinois girls; Fr wins 4
Freshman Alexandria Anderson (Chicago - Morgan Park, coached by Derrick Calhoun) now has a shot at something only Shakedia Jones of Waukegan H.S. (and UCLA) accomplished in Illinois high school track: Win the 100-200 four straight years. This has not been accomplished in the 109 years of the boys state meet (which claims to be the oldest high school championship for any sport in the U.S.?.) The Illinois girls meet is celebrating its 30th anniversary. The boys state meet in next week, also at Charleston, Ill. on the campus of Eastern Illinois University. But Anderson is positioned for an incredible mark of four wins x 4. Note also that Jackie Joyner (just two names at the time) never won four straight individual titles. JJ(K) did win two Illinois (IHSA) LJ titles - 20-7 and 19-7 - as well as a relay and an open 400. www.ihsa.org Weather Cloudy, 54°F UV Index: 0 Minimal Wind: From the North at 16 mph, gusting to 24 mph Dew Point:34°F Humidity:47 % Visibility:Unlimited Barometer: 30.21 inches and steady Alexandria Anderson's day 100-Meter Dash Final Heat 1 Alexandria Anderson (Fr.), Chicago (Morgan Park) :11.83 2 Traciann Henry (So.), Evanston (Twp.) :12.04 3 Candice Neal (Jr.), Chicago (Morgan Park) :12.04 4 Shantrell Jenkins (Fr.), North Chicago :12.17 5 Monique Brown (Sr.), Dolton (Thornridge) :12.18 6 Alexis Johnson (Sr.), Olympia Fields (Rich Central):12.24 7 Sherlenia Green (Jr.), Vernon Hills:12.32 8 Dominique Evans (Fr.), Chicago (Hyde Park) :12.35 9 Aja Clark (Sr.), Chicago (Kenwood) :12.35 200-Meter Dash Final Heat 1 Alexandria Anderson (Fr.), Chicago (Morgan Park) :24.35 2 Traciann Henry (So.), Evanston (Twp.) :24.57 3 Mya Edwards (Jr.), Evanston (Twp.) :25.25 4 Jessica Stockard (Sr.), Alton (Sr.):25.48 5 April Szatkowski (Sr.), Bartlett :25.65 6 Tenisha Read (Sr.), Decatur (MacArthur):25.66 7 Hillary Werth (Fr.), Chatham (Glenwood):25.75 8 Dawn Harper (Sr.), East St. Louis (Sr.):25.83 9 Danielle Allen (Sr.), Moline :25.93 Long Jump Final Flight 1 Alexandria Anderson (Fr.), Chicago (Morgan Park) 19' 0 1/4" 2 Jessica Stockard (Sr.), Alton (Sr.)18' 8 1/2" 3 Sherlenia Green (Jr.), Vernon Hills18' 4 3/4" 4 Lakecia Leavy (Jr.), Chicago (Morgan Park) 18' 4 1/2" 4x100-Meter Relay Final Heat 1 Chicago (Morgan Park) :47.50 Damaris Parchment (Sr.), Candice Neal (Jr.), Sara Logan (So.), Alexandria Anderson (Fr.) 2 Evanston (Twp.) :47.96 Sandra Adlam (Sr.), Traciann Henry (So.), Mya Edwards (Jr.), Michelle Smart (Sr.) 3 Olympia Fields (Rich Central) :48.54 Christine Butler (Jr.), Shamelah Jones (Jr.), Porsche Buckner (Jr.), Alexis Johnson (Sr.) 4 South Holland (Thornwood) :49.79 Ksacia Tate (Sr.), Javanna Orr (Jr.), Nicole Burgess (So.), Briana Lynn (So.) Other events not on earlier post: 400-Meter Dash Final Heat 1 Danielle Allen (Sr.), Moline :56.45 2 Damaris Parchment (Sr.), Chicago (Morgan Park) :56.91 3 Shannon Beelendorf (So.), Sterling (H.S.) :58.37 4 Hillary Werth (Fr.), Chatham (Glenwood):58.77 5 April Lowery (Sr.), Chicago (Morgan Park) :58.80 300-Meter Low Hurdles Final Heat 1 Dawn Harper (Sr.), East St. Louis (Sr.):43.76 2 Nancy Figueroa (Sr.), Palatine (H.S.) :44.12 1600-Meter Run Final Heat (NOTE: only one senior, the winner) 1 Maureen Scott (Sr.), Mahomet (M.-Seymour) 4:59.83 2 Samantha Polock (Jr.), Wheaton (North) 5:03.57 3 Kristin Whitezell (Jr.), Carol Stream (Glenbard North) 5:07.61 4 Laura Pearson (So.), Schaumburg5:08.65 5 Lindsay Wagner (Jr.), Mt. Vernon 5:11.48 6 Vanessa Pfafflin (So.), Elmhurst (York)5:12.80 7 Bethany McCoy (So.), Metamora 5:16.23 8 Jacqui Aubert (So.), Crystal Lake (South) 5:16.54 9 Colleen Byrne (Jr.), Des Plaines (Maine West) 5:20.13 10 Suzy Turner (So.), Palatine (H.S.) 5:20.66 11 Gada Qafisheh (Fr.), Wheeling 5:20.72 12 Christina Fiduccia (So.), Barrington 5:21.52 Shot Put Final Flight 1 Ashley Minner (Sr.), Jacksonville (H.S.) 45' 9 1/4" 2 Brittany Riley (So.), Flossmoor (Homewood-F.) 41' 7 1/2" 3 Margaret Gorski (Jr.), Elmwood Park41' 2 3/4" Triple Jump Final Flight 1 Jennie Whitman (Jr.), Naperville (Neuqua Va
t-and-f: 'King John' named honorary referee
>From the Illinois High School Association web site Results posted throughout the day for the 108th running of the Illinois boys state track and field championships: www.IHSA.org Live web audio begins Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 10 a.m. CDT: http://stream.ihigh.com/links/2002_0525_ilbtrack.asx Former Olympian set to retire 'King John' Craft named boys state track and field Honorary Referee (CHARLESTON, ILL.) The annual Illinois High School Association Spring Spectacular is indeed just that because of the behind-the-scenes contributions of this year's Honorary Referee, John Craft. Craft has been a fixture in the Eastern Illinois University athletic department for the past 33 years. And he may be the reason the facilities at O'Brien Stadium rank among the finest in America, and why every member of every men's and women's coaching staff for every sport at Eastern Illinois volunteer like him to work one or both of the IHSA State Meets. A Momence, Ill. native, Craft was an All-American athlete and Olympian for the Panthers. Between 1969 and 1975, he was the best triple jumper in the United States. In 1972, he set the then American record in the triple jump with a leap of 55-5 and eventually finished fifth in the event at the Munich Olympics. But his career at EIU also includes coaching the women's cross country team from 1979-94 and the women's track and field team since 1980. In the meantime, Craft added his master's degree in 1974, served as Acting Athletic Director in 1994, and Acting Associate AD in 1994-95. He is a charter member of the EIU Hall of Fame. He retires from the EIU staff on May 30. Craft has been involved in every girls state final meet since the first one in 1973, and all the boys meets held at O'Brien Stadium. Through his work and influence, the field event venues at O'Brien Stadium have been state of the art, and the continued updating of the running surface has produced some of the most outstanding performances in high school track and field history. Craft's unseen contributions to the success of the state final meets in Charleston have been spectacular over the years. While this is the 108th running of the boys state meet, Craft is the 43rd person to be named Honorary Referee.
t-and-f: ILLINOIS boys AA & A
Saturday, May 25, 2002 Illinois High School Association Boys State Track and Field Championships. www.ihsa.org Two-class system (big schools and small schools) Charleston, Ill. Eastern Illinois University Nine lanes around Partly Cloudy 74°F UV Index: 6 Moderate Wind:From the West at 14 mph, gusting to 24 mph Dew Point: 63°F Humidity: 68 % Visibility: Unlimited Barometer: 29.93 inches and steady Class AA: 1:50/4:10/48-10/175&174/13.79&13.82/36.84/21.61/7:44 Class A: Ryan Shields,Sr., Chicago (Leo): 10.77/21.41/46.76. Boys Track & Field 2002 Class AA (big Schools) State Final Saturday Results Pl. School Points 1 South Holland (Thornwood) 74 2 Decatur (MacArthur)44 3 Wheaton (North)39 4 Edwardsville (H.S.)29 5 Rock Island (H.S.) 28 6 Country Club Hills (Hillcrest) 24 7 East St. Louis (Sr.) 22 7 Wheaton (W. Warrenville South) 22 9 Chicago (Mt. Carmel) 18 9 Chicago Heights (Bloom Twp.) 18 Long Jump 1 Chris Williams (Sr.), Peoria (H.S.)22' 11 3/4" 2 Ken Carson (Sr.), Decatur (MacArthur) 22' 4 1/2" 3 Leslie Majors (So.), South Holland (Thornwood) 22' 4 1/4" 4 Will Henderson (Jr.), Belleville (East)22' 3 1/4" Pole Vault 1 Ben Brokaw (Sr.), Dixon15' 0" 2 Justin Kozak (Jr.), Berwyn-Cicero (Morton) 15' 0" 3 Charles Williams (Sr.), Quincy (Sr.) 14' 6" 4 Ryan Lynn (Jr.), Roselle (Lake Park) 14' 6" 4 Dave Viken (Jr.), Rolling Meadows 14' 6" 6 Jon Blome (Jr.), Pekin 14' 3" Shot Put 1 Matt Whalen (Sr.), Algonquin (Jacobs) 58' 5" 2 Brett Farmer (Jr.), Hoffman Estates (H.S.) 57' 3 3/4" 3 Sean Delahunt (Jr.), Pekin 57' 1" 4 Matt Cook (So.), Canton56' 9 3/4" Triple Jump 1 Karl King (Jr.), Cahokia 48' 10 1/2" 2 Steve Daniel (Jr.), Decatur (MacArthur)47' 6 1/2" 3 Corey Downden (Sr.), Richton Park (Rich South) 47' 3" 4 Reggie Anthony (Jr.), Edwardsville (H.S.) 47' 1" Discus Throw 1 Richard Ballard (Sr.), Mattoon 175' 5" 2 Marc Holt (Jr.), Flossmoor (Homewood-F.) 174' 0" 3 Luka Ulicevic (Sr.), Wheaton (W. Warrenville South)169' 8" 4 Edward Murray (Jr.), Bartonville (Limestone) 169' 1" 5 Cody Roberts (Jr.), Normal (Community) 166' 2" 6 Akim Millington (Jr.), Wheaton (North) 164' 6" 7 Jovica Grbic (Jr.), Darien (Hinsdale South)163' 7" 3200-Meter Run Final Section No. 2 (NOTE: 7th: son of Ken Popejoy; 8th: state XC winner) 1 Micah VanDenend (Sr.), Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South) 9:17.67 2 Matt Withrow (So.), Tinley Park (Andrew) 9:20.94 3 Scot Frazin (Sr.), Highland Park 9:22.16 4 Steve Maltas (Sr.), Arlington Heights (Hersey) 9:23.66 5 Tom Longo (Sr.), Northbrook (Glenbrook North) 9:23.80 6 Kevin Doran (Jr.), Murphysboro 9:24.47 7 Mike Popejoy (So.), Wheaton (W. Warrenville South) 9:24.95 8 Sam Romanoski (Jr.), Lake Zurich 9:28.31 110-Meter High Hurdles 1 A.J. Harris (Sr.), Wheaton (North) :13.79 2 Eric Mitchum (Sr.), Chicago (Mt. Carmel) :13.82 3 Marcus Lesley (Sr.), South Holland (Thornwood) :14.21 4 Adrian Walker (Sr.), Decatur (MacArthur) :14.35 5 Jason George (Sr.), Zion (Z.-Benton) :14.49 6 Eric Steffen (Sr.), Springfield (Lanphier) :14.50 7 Matt Schmidt (Sr.), Freeport (H.S.):14.94 8 Enrique Cook (Sr.), Chicago (Mt. Carmel) :14.96 9 Tyler Waters (Jr.), Buffalo Grove :15.16 100-Meter Dash 1 Tyreese Andrews (Jr.), Chicago Heights (Bloom Twp.):10.75 2 Marquice Cole (Sr.), Country Club Hills (Hillcrest):10.75 3 Waylond Ryan (So.), Rock Island (H.S.) :10.92 4 Dion Ballentine (Sr.), South Holland (Thornwood) :10.93 200-Meter Dash 1 A.J. Harris (Sr.), Wheaton (North) :21.61 2 Dion Ballentine (Sr.), South Holland (Thornwood) :21.70 3 Waylond Ryan (So.), Rock Island (H.S.) :21.88 4 Rondell Williams (So.), Chicago (Phillips) :21.90 5 Greg Webb (Jr.), Wheaton (W. Warrenville South):21.92 6 Keith Heerdegen (Jr.), Vernon Hills:22.06 7 Damian Banks (Sr.), East St. Louis (Sr.) :22.16 8 Fran
Re: t-and-f: Mo (as in More) Money Greene
I think this is an exceptional circumstance (maybe adidas should pay Mo a bonus to run; why didn't HSI look a head?) but, under normal conditions, sticking with the list's baseball theme of this week, would a Major League Baseball player pinch hit for free? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Y ask: > > Landon Hall of The Associated Press, writing from Eugene, notes the presence of Mo >Greene at the Pre. Here's Hall's explanation of why Mo won't toe the line in a >fabulous 100 field: > > Greene isn't competing Sunday because Nike is the chief sponsor of the meet. After >Greene's endorsement contract with the Oregon-based company ran out, he signed a >lucrative deal with Adidas earlier this month. Nike requires its top athletes to >compete in the Pre, but non-Nike stars generally are paid appearance fees. Because >meet director Tom Jordan expected Greene to re-sign with Nike, he didn't leave any >money in his budget for Greene. > > Me again: > > Ooh-Kay! But Greene is ALREADY THERE! Forgive my naivete, but what's to stop >Maurice from RUNNING FOR FREE! Horrors! Stop the presses! > > Is that what the sport has come to? No cash, no dash? I realize he has an entourage >to support, but it's only 100 meters, for crying out loud! (Now, if it were 400, then >I could picture an expectation of remuneration.) > > Ken Stone > http://www.masterstrack.com
Name calling Re: t-and-f: ILLINOIS boys AA & A
My post was purely for reporting purposes and I made no editorializing or comparative statements regarding any other state. I am not sure what your name calling was suppose to prove. Is there a reason you were unable to provide a link to share those "just as good" performances? John Farrelly wrote: > Dingbat, compare, PA is just as good, > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Prizy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Track List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 5:12 PM > Subject: t-and-f: ILLINOIS boys AA & A > > Saturday, May 25, 2002 > Illinois High School Association > Boys State Track and Field Championships. > > www.ihsa.org > > Two-class system (big schools and small schools) > > Charleston, Ill. > Eastern Illinois University > Nine lanes around > > Partly Cloudy 74°F > UV Index: 6 Moderate > Wind:From the West at 14 mph, gusting to 24 mph > Dew Point: 63°F > Humidity: 68 % > Visibility: Unlimited > Barometer: 29.93 inches and steady > > Class AA: 1:50/4:10/48-10/175&174/13.79&13.82/36.84/21.61/7:44 > > Class A: Ryan Shields,Sr., Chicago (Leo): 10.77/21.41/46.76. > > Boys Track & Field 2002 Class AA (big Schools) State Final Saturday Results > > Pl. School Points > 1 South Holland (Thornwood) 74 > 2 Decatur (MacArthur)44 > 3 Wheaton (North)39 > 4 Edwardsville (H.S.)29 > 5 Rock Island (H.S.) 28 > 6 Country Club Hills (Hillcrest) 24 > 7 East St. Louis (Sr.) 22 > 7 Wheaton (W. Warrenville South) 22 > 9 Chicago (Mt. Carmel) 18 > 9 Chicago Heights (Bloom Twp.) 18 > > Long Jump > > 1 Chris Williams (Sr.), Peoria (H.S.)22' 11 3/4" > 2 Ken Carson (Sr.), Decatur (MacArthur) 22' 4 1/2" > 3 Leslie Majors (So.), South Holland (Thornwood) 22' 4 1/4" > 4 Will Henderson (Jr.), Belleville (East)22' 3 1/4" > > Pole Vault > > 1 Ben Brokaw (Sr.), Dixon15' 0" > 2 Justin Kozak (Jr.), Berwyn-Cicero (Morton) 15' 0" > 3 Charles Williams (Sr.), Quincy (Sr.) 14' 6" > 4 Ryan Lynn (Jr.), Roselle (Lake Park) 14' 6" > 4 Dave Viken (Jr.), Rolling Meadows 14' 6" > 6 Jon Blome (Jr.), Pekin 14' 3" > > Shot Put > > 1 Matt Whalen (Sr.), Algonquin (Jacobs) 58' 5" > 2 Brett Farmer (Jr.), Hoffman Estates (H.S.) 57' 3 3/4" > 3 Sean Delahunt (Jr.), Pekin 57' 1" > 4 Matt Cook (So.), Canton56' 9 3/4" > > Triple Jump > > 1 Karl King (Jr.), Cahokia 48' 10 1/2" > 2 Steve Daniel (Jr.), Decatur (MacArthur)47' 6 1/2" > 3 Corey Downden (Sr.), Richton Park (Rich South) 47' 3" > 4 Reggie Anthony (Jr.), Edwardsville (H.S.) 47' 1" > > Discus Throw > > 1 Richard Ballard (Sr.), Mattoon 175' 5" > 2 Marc Holt (Jr.), Flossmoor (Homewood-F.) 174' 0" > 3 Luka Ulicevic (Sr.), Wheaton (W. Warrenville South)169' 8" > 4 Edward Murray (Jr.), Bartonville (Limestone) 169' 1" > 5 Cody Roberts (Jr.), Normal (Community) 166' 2" > 6 Akim Millington (Jr.), Wheaton (North) 164' 6" > 7 Jovica Grbic (Jr.), Darien (Hinsdale South)163' 7" > > 3200-Meter Run Final Section No. 2 > (NOTE: 7th: son of Ken Popejoy; 8th: state XC winner) > > 1 Micah VanDenend (Sr.), Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South) 9:17.67 > 2 Matt Withrow (So.), Tinley Park (Andrew) 9:20.94 > 3 Scot Frazin (Sr.), Highland Park 9:22.16 > 4 Steve Maltas (Sr.), Arlington Heights (Hersey) 9:23.66 > 5 Tom Longo (Sr.), Northbrook (Glenbrook North) 9:23.80 > 6 Kevin Doran (Jr.), Murphysboro 9:24.47 > 7 Mike Popejoy (So.), Wheaton (W. Warrenville South) 9:24.95 > 8 Sam Romanoski (Jr.), Lake Zurich 9:28.31 > > 110-Meter High Hurdles > > 1 A.J. Harris (Sr.), Wheaton (North) :13.79 &
Re: t-and-f: Pre T.V. coverage
I think the coverage was better. The coverage was much more focused on the pure competition and less on athlete interviews - which most of the time are about as interesting as watching corn grow here in the Midwest - and less of the hype, drama, or soap opera TV seems to think they have to add to make a track meet interesting. I think TV is finally realizing that if people can listen to a baseball game on the radio for three hours, track fans can watch an occasional one-hour TV broadcast of just competition. Bob K did well in his commentary. I think Dwight Stones' overall knowledge and expertise of the sport is still being underutilized. I like MJ, but it seems he is trying too hard to look for the controversy and then has to dig himself out of a hole. He made a comment right after Marion finished her 100 about her not going to be happy with her performance. But a little bit later, he said she would be happy. To me, it seemed like Michael's second observation was a contraction that was dubbed in latter from a sound truck. Lee Nichols wrote: > I agree. I'm an old distance runner too, but since my competitive > days ended and my spectator days began, I have become a huge fan of > the vertical jumps. Given that they have DWIGHT STONES, of all > people, doing field events, you have to wonder why they don't give > better field coverage. I can't think of anything more dramatic than a > close high-jump competition, but when all you have is Dwight saying > "And here is the winning jump" and nothing else, where is the drama? > Imagine if, instead of showing the whole 100 meters field, they only > shot Mo Greene in his lane and you couldn't see the rest of the field! > > Lee > > >Am I alone in thinking that the coverage was much better than > >usual (i.e.not just sprints and the mile, for a change) and that it > >nevertheless was much too skimpy on the field events. And this > >comment is coming from a retired marathoner and high school cross > >country coach. I love seeing any distance coverage - and this time > >there was a modest amount - but I also enjoy other events. To me the > >field events are much more interesting than the 100 and 200. Dwight > >Stones is a knowledgeable and opinionated commentator. Given the > >chance, he can help explain and engage the ordinary fan. But in a > >fantastic men's shot competition, just one throw by each of the top > >3 was shown. The very good high jump competiton was given even > >shorter shrift. Fans WILL become interested if coverage is good. > >Look at the attention paid to curling, for gosh sakes, in the Winter > >Games. And unlike the distances, Americans still are very > >competitive if not dominant in the field events, so there is no > >nationalistic excuse not to feature them. > > So... kudos to Larry R. and cohorts, but next time > > > >_ > >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > -- > Lee Nichols > Assistant News Editor > The Austin Chronicle > 512/454-5766 ext. 138 > fax 512/458-6910 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Pre T.V. coverage
I forgot about Michael's 400 comment, which I thought was a good one. Dan Kaplan wrote: > --- Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think the coverage was better. The coverage was much more > > focused on the pure competition and less on athlete interviews > > It was also very nice to see that they told us there had been false starts > instead of making us sit through them. > > > I like MJ, but it seems he is trying too hard to look for the > > controversy and then has to dig himself out of a hole. He made a comment > > right after Marion finished her 100 about her not going to be happy with > > her performance. > > I actually thought it was nice to hear a commentator with the guts to > analyze things from the standpoint of a competitor. Of course Marion's > going to say she was happy -- she's one of the best at smiling for the > camera and saying everything's peachy. Michael also commented on it being > a bad sign for the 400 runners that a couple of 400 hurdlers pretty much > kicked their collective butts. You don't think he takes it personally how > poorly "his" event is running in his wake? > > If Larry Rawson is reading this, were you sitting at a really bad angle > relative to the finish line? I was surprised by a number of your calls > about who was leading races when it was quite clear on TV that someone > else had already moved into the lead. Someone feeding you bad information > as a spotter? > > Dan > > = > http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. > http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F > > @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) > _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) >/ / (503)370-9969 phone/fax > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Pre T.V. coverage
My 12-year-old son and I had the same Jenny comment, which made my wife even more upset that he was up past 11:30 p.m. (the meet was on 10-11:30 p.m. in Chicago - ESPN2???) Does she need someone to take charge of her fan club? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I also thought the coverage was excellent. We often complain of not enough coverage >in the distance races, but showing the last 3 laps of the 5K/3K was just fine. I am a >bit concerned that the meet is now on ESPN 2 after previously being on CBS and ESPN, >but I'll be selfish and take it if it means an hour and a half of coverage! > > My only complaint is that they didn't do close-up introductions of the women's 100 >hurdles, so no Jenny Adams intro. :-) > sideshow
Re: t-and-f: NCAA day 1 highlights
But what would the difference be here compared to when South African athletes were permitted to participate in T&F for U.S. universities during the IOC/IAAF ban & contamination rule during the apartheid era? "Wayne T. Armbrust" wrote: > Thanks. You are obviously right, but just as obviously, this sets up the > potential for a big conflict with the contamination rule of the IAAF. > > Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: > > > Wayne - > > > > I am sure. Note the following from the amateur sports act - section > > 220526-a > > > > "EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION. - An amateur sports organization that conducts > > amateur athletic competition shall have exclusive jurisdiction over that > > competition if participation is restricted to a specific class of amateur > > athletes, such as high school students, college > > students, members of the Armed Forces, or similar groups or categories." > > > > This means the NCAA can basically do what they want. USATF can put anything > > they want in the bylaws but U.S. law gives the NCAA free reign. > > > > - Ed Parrot > > -- > Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Computomarx > 3604 Grant Ct. > Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA > (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) > http://www.Computomarx.com > "Know the difference between right and wrong... > Always give your best effort... > Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." > - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: time for a new nickname?
Unless there is a change, his problem is with the name the IAAF has given him : Juiced [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In the wake of recent developments, one would think that Justin Gatlin might come up >with a nickname other than "juice" (no matter how long he has had it or how well it >plays off his real name). It was rather disconcerting in the stands to see a "juice" >to-shirt and hear people chanting "juice-juice." > > gh
Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: USATF re-signs Nike as National Team Sponsor
USATF is not in any way, shape, or form a government organization. It is a not-for-profit organization - hence the dot org web site classification. My question is what is Nike going to do over the next seven years to promote USATF to the general public? Is Nike going to develop a USATF brand in the retail market? "Jones, Carleton" wrote: > <> > > How can they not be disclosed? Isn't USATF, as a government organization, > required to disclose this sort of thing? Maybe they have to be asked > first... > > -Buck Jones
Re: t-and-f: McDonnell quote on regionals
But take McDonnell's statement and your information combined and it brings up an interesting point: There were no regionals in 1988. Why would regionals sell out nationals now if a regional system was not part of the equation for past successes? Richard McCann wrote: > I saw this in the June 1 Sacramento Bee about NCAA regionals. John > McDonnell of Arkansas was quoted about the creation of the regional > qualifyng system: > > "It has nothing to do with promotion of track and field, absolutely > nothing. Track and field is fine. We've got great athletes. Let's get > people in the stands. A regional meet's not going to get anybody in the > stands, and that's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned." > > I've got to wonder what country he lives in. Track and field is NOT > "fine." Perhaps he didn't notice the huge decline in attendance at the > NCAAs in Eugene between 1988 (sold out) and 2001 (<9,000). And what is HIS > proposal to get fans into the stands? > > Richard McCann
Re: t-and-f: Title IX on Fox News
Hi Pat, Title IX is not the problem. It is the perverse interpretation and administration of Gender Equity, a provision of the act that has not been around for the full 30 years of Title IX. Patrick Palmer wrote: > Ed Grant wrote: > > >Netters: > > >There was a discussion of Title IX on Brit Hume's 6 p.m. (EDT) Fox > >news show tonight. (It will be repeated sometime in the early hours of the > >morning( > > >He was interviewing a Justive department spokeswoman (or formner > > spokeswoman, I didn't hear her ID clearly), who gave a pretty good resume of > > the problems with the law. > > >She was placing the blame for the current problems on the regulatory > > languiage issued during the past administration, noting that the law itself > > is basically only one sentenece long. She has evidently authored a book on > > the subject, which was the probable reason for her appearance. > > > On the question of the Bush adminsitration intervention in the court > > case against the suing wrestlers, she said that this was a pro forma action > > and that what the present adminsitration wants is to rewrite the regulations > > themselves rather than have some judge do it. It;s an intresting position, > > > > I think this is a pretty good sign that the current administration is > not going to do anything at all. If the depth of her analysis is to > blame a 30 year old situation on the past administration, nothing is > going to happen. Since Title IX came in we have had Nixon/Ford, > Carter, Reagan twice, Bush I once, Clinton twice, and now Bush II. > Republicans have had 18 years and the Democrats have had 12, neither > has clarified this mess, so why expect changes now? > > Pat Palmer > >
Re: t-and-f: Radclife running Chicago Marathon
Yes! Last year was start to finish live. Lee Nichols wrote: > > >From the folks at LSB Chicago Marathon: > > > >"Two months after recording the second fastest women's marathon time ever, > >Paula Radcliffe has committed to The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon, it > >was announced today by Carey Pinkowski, executive race director. The 25th > >Anniversary of The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon takes place October 13." > > Does anyone ever televise Chicago anymore? > -- > Lee Nichols > Assistant News Editor > The Austin Chronicle > 512/454-5766, ext. 138 > fax 512/458-6910 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Radclife running Chicago Marathon
Prior to last year, FOX covered the LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon and many FOX affiliates carried the race live or taped. FOX used to do a 2 1/2 hour show (football), which meant the race had to go on time and maybe the women's winner got covered - or maybe not. Last year the TV was picked up for the first time by the Chicago NBC affiliate, and apparently not picked up by other NBC stations. It was at least a three-hour package. Japan TV carries it live and I was just told that probably London will too - surprise! Levels of interest ... Last year, the week prior to the the Chicago Marathon, I took four of the Japanese runners to a grade school. I had two Tokyo newspapers with us and would have had a Tokyo TV crew also, but they had problems with flights. I had to beg local media but did get one photographer out. I'm told to look for other "big announcements" this summer. I don't know if that means expanded national TV coverage, but look for fields that will challenge the WRs, which hopefully means other NBC affiliates will pick up feeds. Mike Prizy wrote: > Yes! Last year was start to finish live. > > Lee Nichols wrote: > > > > >From the folks at LSB Chicago Marathon: > > > > > >"Two months after recording the second fastest women's marathon time ever, > > >Paula Radcliffe has committed to The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon, it > > >was announced today by Carey Pinkowski, executive race director. The 25th > > >Anniversary of The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon takes place October 13." > > > > Does anyone ever televise Chicago anymore? > > -- > > Lee Nichols > > Assistant News Editor > > The Austin Chronicle > > 512/454-5766, ext. 138 > > fax 512/458-6910 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: World Team Track -- it would save the sport
Ed's idea is interesting, and right, I don't think we need drastic changes to the point where we attract the roller derby folks. What about starting with the next indoor season here. Divide the country up in to four sections or teams, because most of the USATF TV circuit meets are on four-lane tracks. Hold a draft for placing foreign athletes - or at least spread the Kenyans around. Pick a basic/standard uniform for each team and let the shoe companies/sponsors put their logos on. Depending on the number of athletes available, there could be designated scoring events from week to week. This could be a testing ground for Ed's idea to eventually take to the IAAF. "Wayne T. Armbrust" wrote: > I really think that Ed has a great idea here. I don't think we need to (or should) > tinker with the sport the way Randy has indicated below. One thing for sure, the >sport > is NOT going to die! It is the second most widely practiced sport on the planet and >is > contested in virtually every country. It is and always will be the quintessential > sport. It doesn't have to be turned into a circus, just given proper exposure. The >fact > of the matter is, track gets good ratings, even with the "up close and personal" >format > prevalent in U.S. broadcasts. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Edward Koch wrote > > > >A couple things that would promote team competition that would be a little > > >less drastic. Both could be held at least every fourth year in the even year > > >between the Olympics to fill the void that currently exists: > > > > > >1. A World Relay Championship; > > > > > >2. Converting the World Cup to something closer to Davis Cup format. Have > > >three rounds of meets with eight teams each. First round, top forty > > >countries get a bye, and the remaining 170+ countries compete in 24 > > >regional meets. Second round, the remaining 64 countries compete in eight > > >meets held in the top seeded countries. Third round is the championship with > > >eight teams left. Every event in every meet is a final and scores points. > > >Fans would love it. You'd actually have people talking about match-ups. > > >Developing countries would be guaranteed a meet. Strong countries like the > > >USA would get an interesting international meet in the second round. And it > > >would make good television. > > > > Progress as you describe over the course of a season is fine. That isn't > > the problem, and wouldn't by itself 'make good television'. > > > > What happens when the meet is decided with six events still to go? > > That's what sucks about current team scoring formats in this sport. > > > > Casual fans loose interest VERY quick. It's just too darned > > complicated. > > > > Example: Announcer: "Team A can win the meet as long as their team finishes no > > worse than 5th in this final 4x400 relay." > > > > That is NOT what average American Joe Fan wants to hear. I'm talking > > Joe couch-potato TV-sports-watcher fan, not long-time track fans. > > You all say Joe c-p-t-s-w is the one you want to go after. > > > > Dual or multi-team scoring formats as practiced in our sport today are > > NOT going to cut it. > > > > The way to keep fans interest to the end of a so-called "meet", (or better > > yet think 60 or 90-minute TV framework), is with either a series of eliminations > > leading to a final victor, or a sequence with each event having more and more > > meaning toward the final outcome of the competition. > > > > That means taking drastic out-of-the box steps to rescramble the way > > current track meets are put together and scored. > > > > American fans can glance at a TV screen in American football and see which > > way the ball is being moved, how far the ball is from the goal line, etc. > > Even TV graphic overlays today can tell fans how far away the 1st-down marker is. > > Same for basketball, every time the ball goes through the hoop points are > > scored and the team comparison is constantly updated. Everything is equal. > > A basket by a forward off the bench doesn't count more than basket by a > > starting guard, and you don't get half a point just because your shot touched > > the rim. You don't get a quarter of a point just for taking a shot. > > The ball either goes through the hoop or it doesn't. > > > > Track spectators, on the other, have to have the announcer explain how much > > 7th place is worth, how the scores are tentative pending the end of that pole > > vault going on in the infield, yada yada yada. > > Nothing is obvious in a 2.65 second glance. > > > > Okay RT, you say, put up or shut up. Can you do better? > > > > Well, maybe. How's this idea?: > > Maybe it would make more sense if, for every event, the competitors are handicapped > > based on cumulative score. Those whose team is "behind" have to either start > > extra distance in back of the start line, or wait for "x" amount of time after the >gun > > fires before they can take off. > > That way, for an
Re: t-and-f: Clueless Carl
I think there is a big difference in comparing old guys in golf and old guys in track. And, lets face it, Nicklaus and Palmer are/were paid quite well for their masters/senior tours, where as the masters runners I know pay their own way to meets. How many Olympic t&f Gold Medalists compete at the Masters level? (((I know there are some.))) I can appreciate the efforts of those who choose to compete at the masters level - and I have the pleasure of witnessing some good ones because there are a few nationally ranked masters athletes here in the Chicago area. But seeing Carl Lewis run a 14-second 100 would not be something that would thrill me. What ever people think of Lewis, I don't think he owes the sport anything that would include a race at an old timer's meeting, or lining up next to a thoroughbred horse. Unless there is more to this AP story, I don't see that Lewis took a swipe at the fitness level of masters athletes. Maybe it is how the AP led up to his response. I interviewed Lewis a year ago and here is how he responded to probably a similar question: Carl Lewis woos them in Lisle ... Carl Lewis was just hoping to make a "connection" with the many high school athletes that waited in long lines to get the nine-time Olympic gold medalist's autograph or a picture with him. Lewis was the guest of Nike and Dick Pond Athletics and appeared at the Carlin Nalley Invitational hosted by Lisle High School, and then made another appearance at the the Dick Pond shoe store also in Lisle, where another line of 200 track fans started forming outside the Dick Pond store an hour before Lewis arrived. Said Lewis, regarding making a connection to the young track and field athletes, "The difference between where (they) are now and where I am now is taking advantage of opportunities and to work very hard." Lewis said he met the great Jesse Owens when he was young, and that meeting "made a big deal to me." What is the greatest moment in the career of the greatest track athlete ever? "The day I retired." Why? "Because I retired fulfilled, happy, with no bitterness, and I can look back and say 'what a great career I had.'" - "Speedplay" - Chicago Athlete - June 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Y ask: > > The Associated Press moved this story today: > > ATHENS, Greece -- American sprinter and long jumper Carl Lewis won nine Olympic gold >medals and 10 world titles, but one of track and field's greatest > athletes doesn't miss any of it. > > Lewis said Saturday he did everything he wanted and was happy being out of >competitive sport. > > "It's like high school. Everybody remembers it, everybody had a great time, but >nobody wants to go back," said Lewis, who retired in 1997 after an 18-year career. > > Lewis was in Athens to promote an art exhibit sponsored by Swiss watchmaker Swatch, >which will provide timing and results services for four Olympic Games through 2010, >including the Athens Games. > > Me again: > > So nobody wants to go back, eh? I guess the same should apply to golf, tennis and >all those other sports that remind him of high school. Tell Nicklaus to go back to >his rocker. Same for Palmer. > > I don't give a hoot that King Carl wants to put track behind him, but he shouldn't >denigrate the fitness choices -- and athletic aspirations -- and -- of thousands of >older people in the process. > > Ken Stone > http://www.masterstrack.com
t-and-f: Khannouchi To Run Chicago
WORLD'S FASTEST MARATHONER RETURNING TO CHICAGO World Record Holder Khalid Khannouchi To Run The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon Chicago (June 17, 2002) Khalid Khannouchi, the fastest man ever to run a marathon, has committed to his fifth LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon, announced today by Carey Pinkowski, executive race director. Khannouchi holds the World Record, the American Record and is a three-time champion on Chicagos fast course. Sunday, October 13 marks the 25th Anniversary of The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. "Khalid Khannouchi continues to set a standard of success in the sport of marathoning that is almost beyond comprehension," said Pinkowski. "We are extremely pleased with his decision to compete in Chicago this fall. The excitement and anticipation going into this year's race is already building intensely." Khannouchi's three record-setting Chicago performances have made his name synonymous with The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. His unmatched marathon success started with his 1997 debut victory in Chicago in 2:07:10. At the time it was the fastest marathon debut ever. In 1998 Khannouchi placed second in Chicago but came back to set a then World Record of 2:05:42 at The 1999 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. After becoming an American citizen in May of 2000, Khannouchi set a then American marathon record of 2:07:01 with his third Chicago victory in the fall of 2000. "After a year of being absent, I am delighted to come back to The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon and to the course that I love and enjoy very much," remarked Khannouchi. "I am very happy to go back to the city I consider my home away from home, the city where I was born a marathon runner and back to the people who have supported me through good times and bad. I hope to provide Chicago with another great performance this fall." This year Khannouchi overcame one of the strongest fields ever assembled to lower his own World Record in a victory at the London Marathon in 2:05:38. The dramatic race included Khannouchi passing two of the greatest distance runners ever ? Paul Tergat and Haile Gebresalassie ? in the final two miles. Khannouchis London victory was also a redemption of sorts. He finished third in the 2000 London Marathon in 2:08:36, missed the 2000 U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials with injuries and dropped out of the 2001 World Championships Marathon due to severe foot blisters. "After Khalid's 2:05:38 World Record performance in London this spring, there is no telling what this incredibly talented athlete is capable of," said Pinkowski. "I was there in London and was impressed to observe Khannouchi take complete control and dominate one of the greatest marathon fields ever assembled." The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon has always lived up to its reputation as one of the world's fastest courses. Last year Catherine Ndereba set the womens World Record of 2:18:47 in Chicago. In 1985 Joan Benoit Samuelson set the womans American record of 2:21:21 in Chicago. In its 24-year history Chicago has also owned two mens World Records (1984 Steve Jones ? 2:08:05, 1999 Khalid Khannouchi ? 2:05:42). Elite athletes will compete this fall for an event record purse of $500,000. The male and female winners each will earn $100,000, the largest ever payout for first place in a marathon. The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon begins Sunday, October 13 at 7:30 a.m., starting and finishing in Chicagos Grant Park. The race will be televised live on NBC5 and broadcast on Chicagos ESPN Radio AM1000 from 7:30 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. The 2002 race is expected to draw up to the registration cap of 37,500 participants. The Marathon is open to all runners who can complete the course in less than six hours. For information call toll-free 1-888-243-3344 (U.S. and Canada) or (312) 904-9800. Registration is $80 ($90 for international participants) and can be completed online by visiting www.chicagomarathon.com. Mail-in entries will be accepted until September 9, 2002. Runners registering online receive a $5 discount and have a September 16, 2002 deadline or until the registration cap is reached, whichever comes first. There will be no race weekend registration. # # #
Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"
But, I believe Kobe played under 15 minutes per game his first year with the Lakers. We'll never know, but would he have been better prepared for the NBA if he had played two years of college like some other kid named Mike? Also, Tiger was one of the best in the world, and he and Kobe got multi million dollar contracts. Webb's best time ranked him as the 78th??? 1500m guy. He'll probably reach that sub-3:30 in the next few years. But why take the sink-or-swim approach when a university with a coach with proven credentials was willing to pay for his training and travel to competition, and also pick up the tab for his education? I think one more year of college running would have done wonders for his development - above as well as below his shoulders. Two years of college seemed to work well for Carl Lewis. Fred Finke wrote: > Just curious, But does the name Kobe Bryant come to anyone's mind? (He did > it straight out of HS! He did the same thing (yeah, what a stupid move. ;) > > JMHO, But Scott Radzko got Webb to 3:53. Who is to say Webb will not get > better? Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. > > On the other hand, I consider Webb an exception and would not recommend it > to any other athletes. > > *** > Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator >--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 >-- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net > *** > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: t-and-f: Webb "going pro" > > first of all, "going pro" is probably misleading- I doubt > Webb is doing it for the money he could realistically expect > in the next year or two. > > Second, > > Would anybody have said to Tiger Woods that he needed to > stay at Stanford through a full four-year ride? > Sure there's a difference- Woods had already won everything in sight. > But if he'd stayed at Stanford we'd probably have been deprived > of that 'rookie year' 13-stroke win at the Masters (or thereabouts). > Hindsight is always perfect- he had no way of being certain > he'd be hugely successful when he made the decision to break > with the NCAA scene- there was a risk involved. If he'd been > unsuccessful the naysayers would be harping about what a bad > idea it is to leave college. > > You want a better example directly from our own sport-in fact a > middle-distance racing example? > Who fared better- Johnny Gray getting out of NCAA competition at > the start, or Michael Granville slugging it out over four years > and getting nowhere? > Sure there are examples of success and failure both ways- > but the Gray / Granville comparison is pretty startling. > > We'll never know if Gray would have got down to 1:42 and a very > long successful career if he'd stayed in college, but it is clear > that NOT going to college certainly didn't seem to hurt his progress! > > So let's give Webb a break, and see if he can follow the Johnny > Gray model and become a medal contender at any competition in > the world. I look forward to observing from the stands (and the > satellite TV dish). > > RT
Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"
Martin D. - Please explain to me (Mike P) how - in your opinion, and I presume not in any official capacity with GMU - was my comment offensive to GMU? My previous post: But, I believe Kobe played under 15 minutes per game his first year with the Lakers. We'll never know, but would he have been better prepared for the NBA if he had played two years of college like some other kid named Mike? Also, Tiger was one of the best in the world, and he and Kobe got multi million dollar contracts. Webb's best time ranked him as the 78th??? 1500m guy. He'll probably reach that sub-3:30 in the next few years. But why take the sink-or-swim approach when a university with a coach with proven credentials was willing to pay for his training and travel to competition, and also pick up the tab for his education? I think one more year of college running would have done wonders for his development - above as well as below his shoulders. Two years of college seemed to work well for Carl Lewis. "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: > Is someone privy to his deals? Let's say he was paid the same as Kobe and Tiger > then what say you? Some people seem to be strictly looking at the dollars. Take > it off the table because we don't know. He thinks he has a good coach who won't > screw it up like some people think is going to happen. He is going to get an > education. Presumably he is getting paid a bunch of money. Lots of people have > developed very well thank very much and have never even heard of your precious > NCAA. This is not complicated. It's back to a coaching argument. Let's say he > isn't as well off financially long-term, perhaps he should be given credit for > looking at other things other than the dollars. Most of this list is American and > you would still all be pledging allegiance to the queen if a few people didn't > think outside of the box a couple of hundred years ago. Not to mention Neil > Armstrong etc. etc. The comments Mike P has made are offensive to GMU. I have no > idea if he has made the right move and it will be an impossible thing to evaluate > down the road in any event. > Regards, > Martin > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Not at all a proper comparison. Tiger and Webb. We are talking whole lot more > > dollars > > > > In a message dated 6/20/2002 8:36:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > >Would anybody have said to Tiger Woods that he needed to > > >stay at Stanford through a full four-year ride?
Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"
I said - "one more year of college running would have done wonders for his development - above as well as below his shoulders" - no where did I slam any educational institution! I was not implying anything about GMU. If he can get one more year of college running at GMU, fine. I think one more year of the college running experience will help him more with his long-term running development and would provide for a smoother transition to the next level. (((If I was going to slam a university, I would have slammed Michigan. I live in Illinois - home of two Big 10+1 schools.))) "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: > Because you were implying that GMU would not be able to do as good a job above the >shoulders. Maybe that > is true. Is there any empirical evidence in whatever field he was in at UM and >whatever he is in at GMU? > Somebody must have the answer to that question given how many conclusions are being >drawn about his > deal(s) from various and sundry armchairs. > Martin D > > Mike Prizy wrote: > > > Martin D. - > > > > Please explain to me (Mike P) how - in your opinion, and I presume not in any >official capacity with > > GMU - was my comment offensive to GMU? > > > > My previous post: > > > > But, I believe Kobe played under 15 minutes per game his first year with the >Lakers. We'll never > > know, but would he have been better prepared for the NBA if he had played two >years of college like > > some other kid named Mike? > > > > Also, Tiger was one of the best in the world, and he and Kobe got multi > > million dollar contracts. > > > > Webb's best time ranked him as the 78th??? 1500m guy. He'll probably > > reach that sub-3:30 in the next few years. But why take the sink-or-swim approach >when a university > > with a coach with proven credentials was willing to pay for his training and >travel to competition, > > and also pick up the tab for his education? I think one more year of college >running would have done > > wonders for his development - above as well as below his shoulders. > > > > Two years of college seemed to work well for Carl Lewis. > > > > "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: > > > > > Is someone privy to his deals? Let's say he was paid the same as Kobe and Tiger > > > then what say you? Some people seem to be strictly looking at the dollars. Take > > > it off the table because we don't know. He thinks he has a good coach who won't > > > screw it up like some people think is going to happen. He is going to get an > > > education. Presumably he is getting paid a bunch of money. Lots of people have > > > developed very well thank very much and have never even heard of your precious > > > NCAA. This is not complicated. It's back to a coaching argument. Let's say he > > > isn't as well off financially long-term, perhaps he should be given credit for > > > looking at other things other than the dollars. Most of this list is American and > > > you would still all be pledging allegiance to the queen if a few people didn't > > > think outside of the box a couple of hundred years ago. Not to mention Neil > > > Armstrong etc. etc. The comments Mike P has made are offensive to GMU. I have no > > > idea if he has made the right move and it will be an impossible thing to evaluate > > > down the road in any event. > > > Regards, > > > Martin > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > Not at all a proper comparison. Tiger and Webb. We are talking whole lot more > > > > dollars > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/20/2002 8:36:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > >Would anybody have said to Tiger Woods that he needed to > > > > >stay at Stanford through a full four-year ride?
Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"
I agree with you. And, I hope his decision takes him right to his goals. It is great that we are able to have this debate at all in the U.S. There are a lot of great young U.S. distance runners coming up. I think this issue will be revisited a few times over the next several years. I hope good notes are being taken. Kurt Bray wrote: > I worry about Webb going pro now not over any questions of money nor even > educational opportunity - he's an adult now and can judge those things for > himself. My concern is that he not harm his development by rushing to jump > to a higher level of the sport when he has not yet mastered his current > level. > > Things worked out great for Tiger, but he was already beating the crap out > of all the college boys. If Tiger had been getting cuffed around at the > college level the way Webb has, I would have thought his going pro after one > year would have been a mistake too. > > If the problem is that Webb was unhappy with Michigan or his college coach, > I would have advised him to transfer to another school for a year and > perhaps then, depending on whether he was winning at the college level, > think about the pros. > > In any case it's too late now. I wish him great success. > > Kurt Bray > > _ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com
Re: t-and-f: Now why didn't we see THIS in the media?
Aren't "No Beer" rules like records? Made to be broken? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Beer is not allowed in stadium, sorry :)
t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,4-339164,00.html June 27, 2002 US sport on trial as Olympic cheats face exposure by Owen Slot, Chief Sports Reporter THE allegations that John McEnroe used steroids when he was a professional tennis player may seem shocking, they may raise questions over his achievements and they may, of course, be completely untrue. However, their timing is unfortunate. Never before have attitudes in the United States to the use of drugs in sport been so heavily questioned. The suggestion that there is a culture of compliance and cover-up is now openly voiced and latest revelations suggest that medals may have been won in the past three summer Olympics by Americans who had tested positive for drugs but, nevertheless, been allowed to compete. Baseball has also been rocked by accounts that steroid abuse is widespread. Last month Sports Illustrated published an investigation in which Ken Caminiti, the former National League Most Valuable Player, admitted to taking steroids throughout his career and said that up to 50 per cent of the leagues players did the same. Jose Canseco, a one-time Major League player, claimed that 85 per cent of big-league stars use steroids. Such stories are becoming common and while it is an offence to take performance-enhancing drugs, it has been alleged that the drug-testers in the United States have been contentedly overlooking it. This is what Wade Exum, the former head of the United States Olympic Committees (USOC) drug-testing programme, has been saying for two years since he left the organisation. Exum has been portrayed by the USOC as a disgruntled employee whose job was in jeopardy, but this weekend he is to make public the fine details behind his comments. In an interview with The Times, Exum explained how only 50 per cent of those who tested positive for drugs received the requisite ban and that this was down, in his last couple of years, to one in seven. "I felt resistance (from his employers) all along," he said. "Their anti-doping programme is largely PR." Exum made his initial accusation through his lawyer in June 2000, asserting that the USOC was "deliberately encouraging the doping of athletes without considering the consequences to their health". Lawsuits were subsequently filed, but Exum claims that he found these hard to fight because the USOC lawyers pilfered all his evidence. The USOC had naturally wanted to see the evidence and, in the autumn of 2000, were granted permission to make copies of the relevant documents. "My lawyers had told them that they could come in and make copies," Exum said. "But what happened is they came in, took the boxes and kept them." Exum alleges that the USOC made further efforts to quieten him. "The USOC lawyer never did negotiate with me," he said. "But he met with my lawyers and asked what would it take for me to just go away." The USOC, meanwhile, kept Exums evidence some 20 boxes of it claiming that the information was confidential and it was only after a separate court case last month that this position changed. The case was not fought by Exum, but a number of American news organisations CNN, CBS, USA Today, The Chicago Tribune and many others on the grounds that the USOC was illegally guarding public information. The victory of the news organisations handed the initiative back to Exum; it would now be his decision whether and when to tell all. To suggest that the whole of the American media has been salivating at the prospect of the biggest drugs-in-sport story of all time would, however, be misleading. "The question is whether Exum is willing to put his money where his mouth is," Thomas Kelly, the lawyer representing CNN et al, said. "He was making some fairly strong claims. Now we have some opportunities to see if they stand up." We will see this weekend because on Saturday Exum is promising to make public these 20 boxes of damning information. Are there gold medal-winners to be exposed? "Yes," he said. "I went to the 1992 Olympics with a list of people in my pocket who had prior positive tests. There were ten or 12 names there." And did they win medals? "I believe so." And were there medal-winners from the 1996 Olympics who tested positive? "Yup. I recall particularly some cases of some track and field athletes. "I think a lot of people know about what went on. Very few of them spoke up. The USOC operated on a model where whenever an athlete had a positive test, rather than enforce it, theyd take on the role of advocating for the athlete not being sanctioned and letting the IOC or the IAAF or whatever international federation be the bad guy." Exums revelations are not the only ones that will shortly come to light. While he gives accounts of malpractice in the 1992 and 1996 United States Olympic teams, there is a growing body of evidence that suggests there may have been an athlete in the American track and field team at the
Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
Or, Owens v. a horse Lee Nichols wrote: > I certainly hope this won't devolve into another Donovan > Bailey-Michael Johnson affair. :-) > > Lee > > >Why not 300 meters? > > > > > >Athletics-Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to > >400-metre dash > > > >OSLO (Reuters) - Moroccan world record holder Hicham > >El Guerrouj has challenged U.S. sprinter Marion Jones > >to a 400-metre duel ahead of the first of seven Golden > >League meetings in Oslo on Friday. > > > >The two athletes tried to settle scores in front of > >reporters on Thursday over how much of a lead Guerrouj > >would need on a 100-metre sprint to beat Jones and how > >much distance Jones would be able to keep Guerrouj > >behind her. > > > >"Let me take this opportunity to ask Marion if she > >wants to race me over 400 metres," said El Guerrouj, > >three times a world 1,500 metres champion but yet to > >win an Olympic gold in three attempts. > > > >The Moroccan said his personal 400-metres best was > >about 49.0 seconds -- half a second better than > >Jones's personal best over the distance. > > > >Both runners are favourites in their proper > >disciplines at the Bislett Games, which will feature > >Guerrouj in a showdown against Kenyan Noha Ngeny for > >the Dream Mile and Jones aiming to improve her own > >Bislett track record of 10.82 seconds. > > > >"Tomorrow I will begin the quest of getting back to > >where I used to be," Jones said, who set her personal > >best of 10.65 back in 1998. > > > >The 2002 competition offers a share in 50 kilograms of > >gold to any athlete who wins their discipline at all > >seven meetings. > > > >Last year only five wins were required. > > > > > > > >__ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > -- > Lee Nichols > Assistant News Editor > The Austin Chronicle > 512/454-5766, ext. 138 > fax 512/458-6910 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: [Fwd: AM. COL. SPORTS MED. CALLS FOR STEROID TESTING IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL: FOCUS IS ON HEALTH IMPACT]
Original Message Subject: AMERICAN COLLEGE OF SPORTS MEDICINE CALLS FOR STEROID TESTING IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL: FOCUS IS ON HEALTH IMPACT Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:18:02 -0500 From: ACSM_Information . July 10, 2002 For immediate release Contact: American College of Sports Medicine Communications and Public Information Department Gail N. Hunt Christa Dickey (317) 637-9200 AmericanCollege of Sports Medicine Calls for Steroid Testing in Major League Baseball: Focus Is On Health Impact Steroid Use Has On Big League Players and the Youth They Influence Indianapolis - Last night's All Star Game may have been inconclusive, but there is no divided result among sports medicine physicians and scientists on the subject of eliminating steroid use in big league baseball. The American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) today called for random steroid testing of players in Major League Baseball. It was noted that according to a USA Today poll released earlier this week, more than 79 percent of the players agree with testing for steroids, as do club owners and Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig. Concerned about the health of the big league players as well as the millions of youth they influence, ACSM says testing for steroid use should begin as soon as possible. In the midst of a much-scrutinized season since former MVPs Ken Caminiti and Jose Canseco admitted steroid use, sports medicine physicians are reporting an alarming increase in steroid use or inquiries regarding steroid use among their patients, particularly in young athletes looking to emulate the performance of their major-league heroes. "Baseball is our national pastime, and baseball players are, for many youngsters, national heroes. When Mark McGwire admitted androstenedione (andro) use during his 1998 home-run record season, the sales of this supplement skyrocketed among young athletes. There is serious concern that a similar pattern of abuse will occur in young athletes with respect to anabolic steroids," said Gary I. Wadler, M.D., FACSM, a sports medicine physician who serves on the Health, Medical and Research Committee of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and is a leading authority on doping in sports. "This is not just a baseball issue, but more importantly, this is a significant public health issue when it affects our youth." Anabolic steroid use has been implicated in early heart disease, including sudden death, the increase of bad cholesterol profiles (increased LDL, lower HDL), an increase in tendon injuries, liver tumors, testicular atrophy, gynecomastia (abnormal enlargement of breasts in males), male pattern baldness, severe acne, premature closure of growth plates in adolescents, emotional disturbances and other significant health risks. In its Position Stand, "The Use of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids in Sports," ACSM deplores the use of these drugs among athletes. (To read a copy of this Position Stand, please visit http://www.acsm-msse.org) "The increased use of steroids among young people is shocking; more than a half million young athletes have used the drug at some point," said Lewis G. Maharam, M.D., FACSM and president of ACSM's Greater New York Chapter. "We must replace the dangerous myths some professional baseball players are creating that steroids are a safe way to improve performance. They aren't. With the momentum started by Major League Baseball owners, the Commissioner, and the vast majority of the players, ACSM calls for the rapid adoption of random steroid testing to protect the future health of pro players and the young athletes they influence." The American College of Sports Medicine is the largest sports medicine and exercise science organization in the world. More than 18,000 International, National and Regional members are dedicated to promoting and integrating scientific research, education and practical applications of sports medicine and exercise science to maintain and enhance physical performance, fitness, health and quality of life. -30-
Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome
And, lets not forget all those non-American athletes with pseud-NGB drug testing programs. Jonas Mureika wrote: > So do a number of American athletes from as recently as Sydney, and going > back to Seoul. Shouldn't we remove those, as well? I thought we wanted a > level playing field. > > J. > > On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Post, Marty wrote: > > > and Ben has an Olympic gold medal to prove it. > >
Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome
This was done once before. I believe it was called Salem Witch Trials. "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: > . > Everybody knows who is/was likely dirty. Subpoena them or other witnesses familiar >with them to > testify under penalty of perjury. Let them take the 5th. > > Draw your own conclusions. > > > Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: > > > > Your point is very well taken but lost on(some of) this bunch. Until the > > US > > > and other countries are willing to go through the same self-induced rectal > > > examination as the Dubin inquiry was, they are not credible. You weren't > > > onlist yet but when Pound started to rattle a few chains, some on this > > list > > > were comparing him to Osama. So be forewarned that is what you are dealing > > > with here. > > > Regards, > > > Martin > > > > Until the IAAF starts enforcing its own rules for all federations, pretty > > much any mark is in question. Period. There might be a dozen federations > > around the world that truly have serious random drug testing, but medals > > come from a lot more than just those countries. > > > > I'm still not sure what the rest of the world expects USATF to tell the > > court that would award the multi-million dollar lawsuit if they released the > > name. As I said before, if the IAAF or IOC is willing to come up with the > > money to pay for any potential suit, then I'd be in favor of releasing the > > name for the good of the sport, despite the fact that it is against the > > USATF rule at the time (which was passed at the demand of the USOC). But I > > see little point in the U.S. backing down in a situation where they are > > clearly being used as an example by the (IOC and to a lesser extent the > > IAAF) to distract attention from all the other problems in that august > > organization. > > > > - Ed
Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome
At least we agree on something: "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: > Yes, a lot of countries are a lot worse than the US > > > > Mike Prizy wrote: > > > This was done once before. I believe it was called Salem Witch Trials. > > > > "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: > > > > > . > > > Everybody knows who is/was likely dirty. Subpoena them or other witnesses >familiar with them to > > > testify under penalty of perjury. Let them take the 5th. > > > > > > > > Draw your own conclusions. > > > > > > > > > > > Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: > > > > > > > > Your point is very well taken but lost on(some of) this bunch. Until the > > > > US > > > > > and other countries are willing to go through the same self-induced rectal > > > > > examination as the Dubin inquiry was, they are not credible. You weren't > > > > > onlist yet but when Pound started to rattle a few chains, some on this > > > > list > > > > > were comparing him to Osama. So be forewarned that is what you are dealing > > > > > with here. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > Until the IAAF starts enforcing its own rules for all federations, pretty > > > > much any mark is in question. Period. There might be a dozen federations > > > > around the world that truly have serious random drug testing, but medals > > > > come from a lot more than just those countries. > > > > > > > > I'm still not sure what the rest of the world expects USATF to tell the > > > > court that would award the multi-million dollar lawsuit if they released the > > > > name. As I said before, if the IAAF or IOC is willing to come up with the > > > > money to pay for any potential suit, then I'd be in favor of releasing the > > > > name for the good of the sport, despite the fact that it is against the > > > > USATF rule at the time (which was passed at the demand of the USOC). But I > > > > see little point in the U.S. backing down in a situation where they are > > > > clearly being used as an example by the (IOC and to a lesser extent the > > > > IAAF) to distract attention from all the other problems in that august > > > > organization. > > > > > > > > - Ed
Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome
That is right. We have a scientific method of testing in place that we have to rely on. If we don't like or agree with the method or the people who are entrusted to do the drug testing, then we need to change the method and/or vote the bums out - if that is what they are. A major issue here is that there are over 200 countries with varying degrees of individual rights and constitutional laws trying to work with rules established by a sports organization. Your statement: "Also, the US didn't cover up tests where they conclusively found the individual to be a witch, then deny it to the governing body of the sport," falls apart even quicker based on the legal rules and laws being applied. An individual is innocent until proven guilty. A positive lab test is first an accusation. In the free world, it is reasonable to allow the accused individual to first be given a hearing to challenge an accusation. Releasing the name of an accused person who was exonerated or found innocent should not be accepted by any NGB - even those from dictatorship countries that are IAAF members. I am not defending drug cheats from any country. The focus of my post was that attitudes such as "Everybody knows who is/was likely dirty" and "Draw your own conclusions" are no different than the attitudes at Salem Witch Trials, or at a kangaroo court, or at a lynching. Jonas Mureika wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Mike Prizy wrote: > > > > > This was done once before. I believe it was called Salem Witch Trials. > > > > A bit of a difference... At the time of the Salem Witch Trials, there was > no scientific method of testing whether or not the individuals were > witches (burning them didn't count). Furthermore, they weren't partaking > in a sporting event where the rules specifically state "No witches > allowed". Also, the US didn't cover up tests where they conclusively > found the individual to be a witch, then deny it to the governing body of > the sport. > > They also didn't win gold medals and receive multi-million dollar > endorsement deals as a result of being "non-witches". > > So, the analogy falls apart rather quickly. > > J.
Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome
What does the money have to do with it? Are you saying that East German marks from the 1970s are acceptable because they were set under amateur rules? Jonas Mureika wrote: > > > They also didn't win gold medals and receive multi-million dollar > endorsement deals as a result of being "non-witches". > > > > J.
Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome
Jonas Mureika wrote: > They *all* compete under the flag of the IAAF, and thus should abide by > the rules set out by that federation. This isn't an issue of "human > rights". > > > Your statement: "Also, the US didn't cover up tests where they conclusively found >the individual to > > be a witch, then deny it to the governing body of the sport," falls apart even >quicker based on the > > legal rules and laws being applied. Drugs or apartheid. It is ALWAYS about human rights! Countries have been banned by the IOC because of human rights issues. > > > > > What do an individual's legal/civil rights have to do with playing by the > rules of a *sport*! This isn't "real life", shall we say. If they tested > positive, then they're *guilty*. You said it yourself -- innocent until > proven guilty. A positive test is nothing more than a lab report. It is an accusation. An individual should have the right to explain if there is a legitament reason for the positive lab report or present evidence that the lab report is wrong (Note: I agree that most are legitimate positives.) I read a post that said you were not on this list when this topics was discussed a couple months back. I wrote in some detail my experience with U.S. employment drug testing, which U.S. courts have used as precedence when deciding sport/athletics drug cases. This is not just sports as you say. You even said there are multi-million dollar contracts, which obviously makes this much more than kids running around a track. Also, U.S. athletes are not the only athletes in the world who have used their own country's legal system to fight decisions made by the IAAF/IOC, or that have been exonerated by their own NGB after a positive drug report. > > > > > > In the free world, it is reasonable to allow the accused individual to first be >given a hearing to > > challenge an accusation. . . . > > > > This isn't the free world. It's a game, a sport, in which the rules are > set out by the IAAF (see same statement above!). If you agree to compete > in their sanctioned meets, and collect their appearance fees and prize > money, then you should sign a waiver that says that you are fully subject > to the federations rules and regulations. (see same statement above!) > > > > I am not defending drug cheats from any country. > > Of course you are, as soon as you allow them to hide behind legal > loopholes and civil rights which other countries don't follow. That's why South Africa was out of the IOC/IAAF for so long. > The > treatment Ben Johnson received for his infraction far surpasses the > majority of sentences handed down to convicted felons! How many other > athletes in the Seoul final have since tested positive? Did they receive > lifetime bans and 14 years of personal humiliation at the hands of the > media? One in particular (Dennis Mitchell) continued to compete after his > positive test was announced, because of the "legal process". Doping > infractions have gone from extremely severe (Johnson) to a farce (bans > being prematurely lifted, retiring athletes who escape retribution, > etc...). I think Dennis is a drug cheat just like Ben. But, Ben got caught about two more times. > > > As an aside, when Mitchell's suspension was handed down, Greene's 9.79s > mark should have been stricken, since (retroactively) the race was > "tainted" (competing with a suspended athlete) The IAAF/IOC recognizes the legal process of individual countries because they have lifted the Contamination Rule on numerous occasions because of pending legal cases being tried in the athlete's own country. > > > Again, my stance on this issue: it's a GAME -- the rules are set forth by > the *international* governing body of the sport. Individual countries > should not be able to form their own regulations, and even if they do, > the IAAF should have power of veto. This isn't the place to bring in > high-powered lawyers to defend someone again personal defamation, etc... > > If you don't play by the rules, stay home! Hold your own World > Championships or Olympics. > > J. But based on what you said: "it's a GAME" and "They also didn't win gold medals and receive multi-million dollar endorsement deals as a result of being "non-witches". It is obvious this is not just a game or just a sport. Look at the revenue and budget the IAAF has. Maybe there is posturing on the part of the fine folks at the IAAF. USATF really isn't in it for the money. The USATF has a paltry $12 million budget compared to the lavish budget of the IAAF and the IOC. If the IAAF and IOC really wanted this issue to go away, they would have flexed their real muscles long ago. If you really want to get to the bottom of the drug issue, follow the cash trail. You won't find much of one in the U.S., because there are few track people in the world who receive - as you say - "multi-million dollar endorsement deals."
Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome
King Malmo spoke, so I guess we have to continue this off list.
Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"
Half to his agent? Probably more in the range of 15 percent. Hopefully he does your investment deal. I just think he's got more beer money. "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: > Ok let's assume that he gives up half to his agent, additional expenses and for > taxes. That's probably excessive but lets go with that. That leaves 125,000US. > Let's further assume that this thing doesn't start until 2003 and runs for 6 > years. Let's further assume that he gets no other endorsements or incentive > bonuses(probably very unreasonable). Let's then apply a discount rate of 5%. > Doing some VERY QUICK calculations, that contract is worth 629,256 today. Once > again, assuming a discount rate of 5%, he could buy a 30 year annuity of 40,299 > per year. On average, approximately half of that would be tax-free. He also > intends to go to school so there is no reason that he can't get just as good a > job as he would have got even if stayed at UM and fell flat on his face as far > as his running goes. It's at least arguable that he made the correct decision > from a financial standpoint. > Regards, > > Martin > > Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Partner > Millard, Rouse & Rosebrugh LLP > Chartered Accountants > P.O. Box 367 > 96 Nelson Street > Brantford, Ontario > N3T 5N3 > Direct Dial: (519) 759-3708 Ext. 231 > Telephone: (519) 759-3511 > Private Facsimile: (519) 759-8548 > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web site: www.millards.com > Practice Areas: www.millards.com/htm/profs/m_mjdixo.htm > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for > the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution > or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a > criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email > confirmation to the sender. > > Michael Contopoulos wrote: > > > Does anyone know how much his agent gets? The people who he has handling > > his finances? etc? After taxes and paying these fees, he won't have as > > much money as it seems. Not to say its a bad deal. Its a great one. But > > Mr. Webb, based on his salary, isn't going to be as wealthy as people think. > > > > >From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro" > > >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:15:01 -0400 > > > > > >http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20020718-16634094.htm > > > > > >malmo wrote: > > > > > > > Nope. malmo "thinks" the amount should cover the risk he takes if/when > > >the slimy > > > > John Waters types (agents/shoe geeks) turn their backs on him if/when he > > >becomes > > > > just another runner. > > > > > > > > malmo "thinks" that amount is all fantasy in the minds of some track > > >fans. > > > > > > > > malmo > > > > > > > > >malmo seems to think that if he is making enough to buy his Mom a 5 > > >million > > > > dollar > > > > >house then that is enough. I think we can safely say that is not the > > >case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
t-and-f: Two under Angelo Taylor's record
Two under Angelo Taylor's USATF Junior Olympics Young Men's Division 400H record National Junior Olympic Championships - Day 6 7/23-29/2002 - Burke High School - Omaha, NE NOTE: The Young Men/Women division is for athletes born in 1984-1985; athletes born in 1983 are also eligible if they will still be 18 on July 29, 2002) 400 Meter Hurdles Young Men === National: N 50.27 7/21/1997 Angelo Taylor, Tucker, GA NameYear TeamFinals === 1 kerron Clement Wings49.77N 2 Kenneth Ferguson Detroit, MI 49.83N 3 Jeremy BurtonStone Mountain, GA 52.36 4 Alonzo NelsonDashers 53.66 5 Nichy Garza Unattached 53.71 6 Thomas Mack Kern Firefig 54.31 7 Juan Walker Music City 54.34 8 John Yarbourgh Music City 58.28
Re: t-and-f: Is the list down?
Re: the two 400H guys: "Both Ferguson and Clement are the "read deal," with each exhibiting a stride control and rhythmic power that is very, very impressive," - Doug Speck, Announcer Omaha JO's Paul Merca wrote: > ...just wondering, since I have not seen very much stuff... > > If it isn't, here's some questions for discussion: > > 1) General comments on the US hosting the 2006 World Cup in Los > Angeles/CS-Dominguez Hills, if IAAF president Lamine Diack's > statements opening the World Jr. Championships are true? > > 2) Are the two guys who broke Angelo Taylor's 400h record at the > Junior Olympics this weekend the real deal? > > 3) It's not too early to begin predictions for NCAA cross country > championships...who are the favorites (both individual & team), by > region? What teams and/or individuals could surprise? > > 4) Which incoming freshmen could be impact players for their schools > and why? (I'll make this question broad, to include cross country and > track). > > All the best, > > Paul Merca
Re: t-and-f: Is the list down?
Never take the sea food special on a Monday. malmo wrote: > No, cosmic unconsciousness. > > Shrimp plate, $1.99 > > malmo > > >...just wondering, since I have not seen very much stuff... > > > >If it isn't, here's some questions for discussion: > > > >1) General comments on the US hosting the 2006 World Cup in Los > >Angeles/CS-Dominguez Hills, if IAAF president Lamine Diack's > >statements opening the World Jr. Championships are true? > > > >2) Are the two guys who broke Angelo Taylor's 400h record at the > >Junior Olympics this weekend the real deal? > > > >3) It's not too early to begin predictions for NCAA cross country > >championships...who are the favorites (both individual & team), by > >region? What teams and/or individuals could surprise? > > > >4) Which incoming freshmen could be impact players for their schools > >and why? (I'll make this question broad, to include cross country and > >track). > > > >All the best, > > > >Paul Merca > >
Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story
But that is true for any drug/substance if a detection level is used: Above the level, positive; below the level, negative. Same thing happens when a ratio is used - i.e. T/E ratio changes with time. More out-of-competition testing would nab more of these. "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: > Isn't the problem though that the low levels could just be higher levels that have > been reduced as the stuff passes through his system? How do they know it isn't? > Regards, > Martin > > ghill wrote: > > > > From: "Kurt Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Reply-To: "Kurt Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:38:55 + > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story > > > > > > > > >> Games officials announced that Collins wouldn't face punishment because the > > >> substance, used in asthma medication to make breathing easier, wasn't > > >> performance-enhancing. He was guilty only of not declaring it. > > > > > > If it's not performance-enchancing and it's not illegal, why is anyone or > > > any organization worried about it? Why test for it? > > > > > > > Note this original quote in one story: > > > > "The use of salbutamol is permitted under certain conditions and the levels > > found in Collins' sample was consistent with normal therapeutic use and was > > not considered to be performance enhancing." > > > > they're making a quantitative vs. qualitative judgment apparently. Like a > > DUI, some's OK, some's not. (although i guess the problem w/ most DUI > > characters is that some was OK, more was better :-) > > > > gh
t-and-f: Tergat to Run LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon
Original Message Subject: Tergat To Run LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:09:29 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PRESS RELEASE PAUL TERGAT TO RUN LASALLE BANK CHICAGO MARATHON World's Second Fastest Marathoner Joins Chicago's Historic Field Chicago (August 13, 2002) Paul Tergat - one of the greatest distance runners of all-time - has committed to The 25th Anniversary LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon, Executive Race Director Carey Pinkowski announced today. Earlier this year Tergat became the world's second fastest marathoner with a 2:05:48 performance in London after an epic duel against World Record holder Khalid Khannouchi and Haile Gebrselassie. Tergat joins an unprecedented field in Chicago that now includes a match-up of the two fastest male and the two fastest female marathon runners of all-time. "Paul's addition to this field makes it the strongest in the 25 year history of The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon," said Pinkowski. "To have both world record holders Khalid Khannouchi and Catherine Ndereba is an accomplishment, but to also have their closest competitors, Paul Tergat and Paula Radcliffe in the same race is epic. To have these magnificent athletes meet in the prime of their careers on Chicago's fast course may result in the greatest head to head competitions in marathon history. I can't wait for October 13!" The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon is the first time that both the men's and women's World Record holders have appeared in the same race since the 1984 Olympics. And for the first time in the history of marathon running the world will witness the two fastest males and two fastest females competing against each other. Tergat, 32-years old from Baringo, Kenya, is now mastering the marathon distance after having one of the most successful and decorated track careers in history. He is a former World Record holder in the 10,000 meter (26:27.85) and two-time silver medallist in the Olympic 10,000 meter (1996 & 2000). Tergat won five consecutive World Cross Country Championships from 1995 to 1999. He holds two world half-marathon championship titles (1998, 1999) and a World Record in the distance (59:06). Last year Tergat finished second (2:08:56) in is first appearance in The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. His second place finish of 2:05:48 at the London Marathon this spring was the third fastest of all-time and a Kenyan national record. The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon has always lived up to its reputation as one of the world's fastest courses. Besides Catherine Ndereba's World Record set in 2001, Joan Benoit Samuelson set the woman's American record of 2:21:21 in Chicago in 1985. In its 24-year history Chicago also has owned two men's World Records (1984 Steve Jones ? 2:08:05, 1999 Khalid Khannouchi ? 2:05:42). Elite athletes will compete this fall for an event record purse of $500,000. The male and female winners each will earn $100,000, the largest ever payout for first place in a marathon. The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon begins Sunday, October 13 at 7:30 a.m., starting and finishing in Chicago's Grant Park. The race will be televised live on NBC5 and broadcast on Chicago's ESPN Radio AM1000 from 7:30 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. The 2002 race is expected to draw up to the registration cap of 37,500 participants. REGISTRATION NOTICE Registration is soaring for the 25th Anniversary of The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. To date, more than 30,000 runners have signed up for the October 13th race. Registration totals have been ahead of last year's pace, which set a record by reaching its cap of 37,500 entrants at the end of August. The registration cap of 37,500 is expected to be reached very soon. The Marathon is open to all runners who can complete the course in less than six hours. For information call toll-free 1-888-243-3344 (U.S. and Canada) or (312) 904-9800. Registration is $80 ($90 for international participants) and can be completed online by visiting www.chicagomarathon.com. Mail-in entries will be accepted until September 9, 2002. Runners registering online receive a $5 discount and have a September 16, 2002 deadline or until the registration cap is reached, whichever comes first. There will be no race weekend registration. # # # Editor's Notes: You can find all our past press releases in the "Press Center" section of www.chicagomarathon.com MEN HOMEPR Michael Aish NZL Debut Jeff Campbell USA 2:19:18 Alan CulpepperUSA Debut Luis Antonio Dos Santos BRA 2:08:55 Keith Dowling USA 2:13:28 Shawn Found USA Debut Peter Githuka KEN 2:08:02 Tob
Re: t-and-f: Boulami Steeple WR
Lets hope we get to see more than two barriers of this. Kurt Bray wrote: > Please have mercy on those of us hoping to watch the meet pseudo-live > tonight on ESPN2 and do not give away any results in the subject line. > > Thanks. > > Kurt Bray > > _ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: t-and-f: test....
Check with King George. John Beattie wrote: > Is the server down? > > *John Beattie* > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: [Fwd: New Warning and Recalls; Products Screened for Sports-banned Substances]
Original Message Subject: New Warning and Recalls; Products Screened for Sports-banned Substances Date: 21 Aug 2002 05:02:03 - From: "ConsumerLab.com, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List Member <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ConsumerLab.com Works with U.S. Olympic Committee and Launches Athletic Banned Substances Screening Program: -- We are pleased to announce that the United States Olympic Committee is the first group to participate in CL's new Athletic Banned Substances Screening Program -- in which supplments are checked for ingredients that could cause disqualification of athletes from sporting events. The first nine products to pass this program are listed at http://www.consumerlab.com/bannedsub.asp . A press release is available at http://www.consumerlab.com/news/news_082002.asp .
t-and-f: Four Title IX Town Hall meetings
Title IX Town Hall meeting in Atlanta, GA, August 27-28 There will be four Town Halls across the United States. The other three will be: Chicago, IL (Sept. 17-18) Colorado Springs, CO (October 22-23) San Diego, CA (November 20-21) http://swimming.about.com/library/weekly/aa081002a.htm Calling all swimmers, coaches, fans,and parents - Title IX meeting on swimming Swimming people need to attend an important Title IX Town Hall meeting in Atlanta, GA, August 27-28 The College Swim Coaches Association of American is asking all dedicated swimming people in the Southeast United States to help in the effort to save Mens swimming and other Olympic sport programs. The government has created a Commission on Opportunity in Athletics to review the Title IX law. This Title IX commission offers swimming and other sports a one-time chance to voice their views about Title IX and suggest changes to the way the law is enforced. A Town Hall meeting on Title IX will be held in Atlanta, Ga. on Tuesday, August 27 and Wednesday, August 28. The meeting will be at the Wyndham Downtown, at 160 Spring St. The general public will have an unique chance on both days to provide information and ask questions of the commission concerning the Title IX issue. ATLANTA: WYNDHAM DOWNTOWN TOWN HALL MEETING Aug. 27 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. - Three panel discussions, each with four invited speakers 2:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. - Presentations by the general public Aug. 28 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. - Presentations by the general public Swimming has lost more than 70 Division I college programs in the 30 years since Title IX was passed. Gymnastics is now down to just 20 men's college teams. Many of sports including wrestling, track and field, golf, baseball and others have also lost numerous teams. Leaders within swimming and other Olympic sports oppose "proportionality," the enforcement rule that is a strict gender quota based upon enrollment. The commission needs to hear this sentiment, and learn the stories of the thousands of athletes who have been denied opportunity due to the enforcement of Title IX. Swimming has a great story to tell in the Southeast. Although a strong and growing sport in the Southeast, we are losing varsity college teams in the region. The commission needs to hear how the young swimmers from the region are forced to leave their states to compete in college, or, if they stay near home, must go to college without the chance to swim on the varsity level. There will be four Town Halls across the United States. The other three will be: Chicago, IL (Sept. 17-18) Colorado Springs, CO (October 22-23)
Re: t-and-f: Pan Am Games contact?
Pathetic Spanish would be one thing, but how pathetic is your Portuguese? I might be wrong, but I think that's what they speak in Riiioo. Lee Nichols wrote: > Can anyone provide me with a U.S.-based contact for the Pan American > Sports Organization? I want to write up something Pan Am-related but > am trying to avoid making an international call (and embarrassing > myself with my pathetic Spanish language skills). > > Thanks, > -- > Lee Nichols > Assistant News Editor > The Austin Chronicle > 512/454-5766, ext. 138 > fax 512/458-6910 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)
The only asphalt I ever saw that was significantly softer than concrete was on country roads when I ran in college. The only other asphalt I ever saw that was softer than set concrete was the asphalt just before the steamroller went over it. I've lived in the Chicago area just about all my life (accept for those 5 1/2 years of country road running.) My knees and ankles can not tell the difference from a sidewalk or an urban asphalt road that is designed to take the weight of a 20-ton truck. During our current construction season - our other season is winter - many, many roads are being rebuilt. From what I have noticed, the base of these roads have about a foot thick (or more) layer of concrete before the asphalt is laid on top. I try to run on grass as often as I can. I also preach this to anyone who listens. I use an analogy that running on a hard surface instead of grass (or soft surface) is like weight lifting (which I don't do) on a Universal Gym compared to free weights: There is going to be more overall development happening on the grass. A few road notes: If the posted speed limit is over 25 mph, we run on a sidewalk if there is one. Generally, if it is a four-lane road, we don't run on it. Sidewalks can be very congested. At night, they can be booby trapped with tricycles, which can provide an opportunity to practice the hammer or 35 lb. weight throw. Cars that stop in the cross walk make for good steeple jumping if you prefer to step the barrier. This is generally followed by a pretty good surge. I always run on the left side of the road facing traffic because I like to see who is going to hit me, I also think this gives me a last-chance option, and it is easier to flip off the drive with my right hand. "Hanks, Jeffrey S" wrote: > I've read in books on construction that Concrete is actually 7 times harder > than asphalt. > > -Jeff > > -Original Message- > From: alan tobin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:33 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?) > > There are both pros and cons to both running on concrete VS running on > asphalt. Concrete is harder, therefore giving you a greater chance of > injury, but is it really that much harder? A concrete sidewalk is usually > flat, whereas most asphalt roads are slightly crowned in the middle, meaning > > you will be running on an incline with your right foot slightly higher than > your left (if running on left side of road). This could also lead to > injuries. So, you have two surfaces that could lead to injury. Neither is > ideal. You could do what I do sometimes and run on the grass off the > sidewalk usually in people's yards. Sometimes there is also a narrow strip > of grass between the sidewalk and the curb. Whenever possible it is always > better to run in the grass than either the sidewalk or the street. > > Alan > > _ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)
I just did the golf ball drop test and used my mail carrier - who just delivered my September 2002 TFN - as the judge. He said it was difficult to tell, but that the ball seemed to bounce higher from the sidewalk, though I think the rough asphalt surface made the golf ball take an angular path, appearing to bounce not quite as high. However, that is with two hard objects. I think the difference in variables with a runner - shoe density, shoe wear, form, mechanics, speed, etc. - will make the differences insignificant. Grass will make you last. Kurt Bray wrote: > Mike says: > > >The only asphalt I ever saw that was significantly softer than concrete was > >on > >country roads when I > >ran in college. The only other asphalt I ever saw that was softer than set > >concrete was the asphalt > >just before the steamroller went over it. > > Here's a simple experiment you can try. I did it myself a few minutes ago > to confirm what I'd heard. Find a flat area that has both asphalt and > concrete - say a parking lot with a sidewalk next to it. Stand on the > concrete and drop a golf ball held out at shoulder height. It will rebound > about up to your waist. Now step over and do the same on the asphalt, and > you will see that bounces only up to about a little over your knees. > Conclusion: there IS a noticeable and measurable difference in the hardness > of the two surfaces. > > Add this difference up over and over again though hundreds of thousands of > footfalls, and it could make a real difference in injury risk. > > I certainly agree with those who say that dirt is even better (the ball > hardly bounces at all on dirt), and I do the majority of my own running on > dirt for that very reason. But if you are running in an urban setting and > you have only the choice between asphalt and concrete, take the asphalt. > > Kurt Bray > > _ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: USATF News & Notes: August 5, 2002
Or, the lesson is: Don't piss off your intern if he has a minor in computer technology. Lee Nichols wrote: > Okay, if Joe is gone, could someone turn off his computer? > > >Contact: Joe Hughes > > Communications Intern > > USA Track & Field > > (317) 261-0478 x357 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.usatf.org > > > >USATF News & Notes > >Volume 3, Number 76August 5, 2002 > > > >USA 50 km trail championships > > > >A national-class field is anticipated at the USATF 50 km National Trail > >Championship for both Open and Masters runners on August 24 in Sausilito, > >Calif. > > > >More than 100 competitors already have registered for the championship, > >which will be run as part of the Golden Gate Headlands 50k Endurance Run on > >the coastal trails and fire roads north of San Francisco. In an attempt to > >appeal to a variety of runners, short portions of the course include beach > >running, a ladder, downed trees, technical sections with difficult footing > >and pavement, but mainly single track and fire roads with seven significant > >climbs and descents. > > > >Registration is open until race day. Only USATF members will be eligible for > >USATF Championship awards. USATF membership and event information are > >available online at www.usatf.org. > > > >Greene takes on coaching > > > >World 100m record-holder and reigning Olympic and World champion Maurice > >Greene has said he will work with the sprinters on the Taft High School > >track & field team in Woodland Hills, Calif., as a volunteer assistant. > > > >Greene will volunteer time when his schedule allows, assisting Taft High > >head coach and 1992 Olympic 400m and 4x400m gold medalist Quincy Watts. > >Watts is an alumnus of Taft High and was hired earlier as the head coach. > > > >Greene is currently training seriously at home in Los Angeles, and will > >return to the track for the second part of the IAAFs European season. His > >next competition will be on August 16 at the Weltklasse in Zurich, > >Switzerland, which is the next Golden League meet. > > > ># # # > > -- > Lee Nichols > Assistant News Editor > The Austin Chronicle > 512/454-5766, ext. 138 > fax 512/458-6910 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Van Damme... Americans?
One interesting comment I've heard from some first timers at Chicago is that they would do more speed work before the next time they run Chicago. After his 1997 run in Chicago, Khalid Khannouchi said he would treat his next Chicago more like a 10,000 on the track. alan tobin wrote: > Could be that the Chicago guys are putting in a high volume of miles so > running any race right now would prove to be futile. You'll see the same > with a lot of marathoners. Josh Cox and the Dr. Rosa's Kenyans don't race > much beyond a couple marathons and halfmarathons a year. If these guys > really want to run a fast Chicago what's the point in going to Van Damme > knowing you're not going to be near PR shape because of miles and maybe lack > of pure speed work needed to run a fast 10k. > The 10k and marathon are both similar and different events. > > Alan >
Re: t-and-f: World record dopers?
The Cuban HJer? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is Boulami the first world record holder to be busted since Randy Barnes - > Butch Reynolds in 1990? (And Barnes again later?) > > Philip Hersh > Olympic Sports Writer > Chicago Tribune
Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
I know I am opening a can of worms and subject to a list clobbering, but before a public announcement is made, the guy should be able to first explain his side of the story after/if the B sample comes back positive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Walt Murphy's News and Results Service > > I realize we have to look at denials with a cautious eye, but here is what > Reuters reported: > > Boulami told Morocco's official news agency MAP that he was shocked at > the test result and vowed to prove his innocence. > > "How can I be accused of taking a banned substance when I regularly undergo > medical tests, the number of which have multiplied since I first beat the > world record last year?," he said. > > "I train in high altitude in Ifrane (Morocco) four to five months a year, > that's the only doping I could be accused of. > > "I'll wait for the result of the other (B sample) test and I am willing to > undergo all kinds of tests." > > (Brussels) meeting organiser Wilfried Meert told journalists at a news > conference with U.S sprinter Marion Jones on Thursday that he refused to > condemn Boulami until all the circumstances were clear and the Moroccan's 'B' > sample had been tested. > > "It's never much fun for a sport -- any sport -- to hear of a positive test, > but it's even sadder when it's a top level athlete, a world record holder," > he said. > > Speaking last Sunday at a news conference in his home city of Safi, on the > Atlantic coast, Boulami said that "drugs never made champions." > > "As far as I know, the fact that a Moroccan athlete breaks a record never > raised an eyebrow. This is due to the world's respect for our country and our > sportsmen." > > The press briefing was organised on the sidelines of a ceremony during which > Boulami received a congratulation letter from King Mohammed on his latest > world record. > > He attributed his rise to athletics stardom after years of lacklustre > performances to a new-found confidence. > > "I was afraid of the Kenyans. But this year I was confident of being able to > break the world record 400 metres before the finish line," he said.
Re: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom
A couple references at the end of this article may help. http://sportsmedicine.about.com/library/weekly/aa022102a.htm?terms=stretching "The current research suggests that stretching can decrease pain and soreness after exercise. However, no evidence supports the theory that stretching immediately before exercise can prevent overuse or acute injuries." "Many people misinterpreted this finding to mean that stretching before exercise prevents injuries, even though the clinical research suggests otherwise." Stretching - What the Research Shows Dispelling the myths and learning the truth Recommendations to stretch or not to stretch are full of misconceptions and conflicting research. There is limited evidence to sort out these issues. Stretching has been promoted for years as an essential part of a fitness program as a way to decrease the risk of injury, prevent soreness and improve performance. But what does the evidence support? Research on Stretching The current research suggests that stretching can decrease pain and soreness after exercise. However, no evidence supports the theory that stretching immediately before exercise can prevent overuse or acute injuries. Warm-up vs. Stretching Much of this confusion comes from a misinterpretation of research on warm-up. These studies found that warming by itself has no effect on range of motion, but that when the warm-up is followed by stretching there is an increase in range of motion. Many people misinterpreted this finding to mean that stretching before exercise prevents injuries, even though the clinical research suggests otherwise. A better interpretation is that warm-up prevents injury, whereas stretching has no effect on injury. If injury prevention is the primary objective the evidence suggests that athletes should limit the stretching before exercise and increase warm-up. When looking at the effect of stretching alone on range of motion, a review of MEDLINE finds that for both the immediate (an hour) and long-term (several weeks) improvements in range of motion one fifteen to thirty second stretch per muscle group is sufficient for most people. Some people require longer duration or more repetitions. Research also supports the idea that the optimal duration and frequency for stretching may vary by muscle group. The long-term effects of stretching on range of motion show that after six weeks, those who stretch for 30 seconds per muscle each day increased their range of motion much more than those who stretched 15 seconds per muscle each day. No additional increase was seen in the group that stretched for 60 seconds. Another 6 week study conducted found that one hamstring stretch of 30 seconds each day produced the same results as three stretches of 30 seconds. These studies support the use of thirty second stretches as part of general conditioning to improve range of motion. Guidelines for Stretching To get the most from your stretching, you need to customize your routine to fit your needs. One way to do this is to stretch until you feel slight p
Re: t-and-f: RESULTS---10K @ Van Damme
Don't let us down ESPN2. "B. Kunnath" wrote: You could have made a decent race from the dnf's alone!! Bob 1 12 KIPKETER, Sammy KEN YB,PB 26:49.38 2 18 MEZEGEBU, Assefa ETH PB 26:49.90 3 11 LIMO, Richard KEN PB 26:50.20 4 20 CHEPKIRUI, Albert KEN PB 26:50.67 5 26 KORIR, John Cheruiyot KEN PB 26:52.87 6 22 IVUTI, Patrick KEN PB 27:05.88 7 21 YUDA, John TAN NR 27:06.17 8 28 GEBREMARIAM, Gebre-egziabher ETH PB 27:25.61 9 29 SIHEN, Sileshi ETH PB 27:26.12 10 30 MAASE, Kamiel NED NR 27:26.29 11 39 KIPROP, Francis KEN PB 27:36.78 12 37 KOMEN, Daniel KEN PB 27:38.32 13 40 VEGA, Teodoro MEX 28:00.91 14 91 MEKONNEN, Hailu ETH PB 28:01.10 15 15 KESKA, Karl GBR 28:11.20 16 34 OLMEDO, Pablo MEX PB 28:11.75 17 38 BERRIOUI, Saïd MAR SB 28:40.53 13 KAMATHI, Charles KEN dnf 14 RIOS, José ESP dnf 17 MUGI, Gordon KEN dnf 19 EL HIMER, Driss FRA dnf 24 MAINA MUNYI, Simon KEN dnf 31 MITEI, Enock KEN dnf 32 GEEMY, Richard KEN dnf 36 CÁCERES, Ignacio ESP dnf 485 KOSGEI, Joseph KEN dnf 16 ADMASSU, Yibeltal ETH dns Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here
Re: t-and-f: Ritz to miss x-country season
"Redshirting is something I was planning on doing, but just not this early (in his career)." - Dathan Ritzenhein Well, Ritz, Redshirting is like pregnancy. Sometimes you plan for it. Sometimes you don't. drew/armiger wrote: > >http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/cu_cross_country/article/0,1713,BDC_2450_1364848,00.html > > Buffs dealt big blow as Ritzenhein redshirting > Fourth-place finisher in NCAA meet nursing stress fracture in femur > > By Michael Sandrock, For the Camera > September 3, 2002 > > The chances of the No. 1-ranked University of Colorado men's cross country team >repeating as NCAA champions took a hit Monday when head coach Mark Wetmore said >sophomore Dathan Ritzenhein is going to redshirt in the 2002 season because of a >stress fracture in his right femur. > > Ritzenhein, a two-time Foot Locker high school national champion, was fourth in the >NCAA championships last fall. He teamed up with Jorge Torres, who placed second, to >lead the Buffs to a one-point victory over Stanford and CU's first men's team title. >CU also has All-Americans Steve Slattery and Ed Torres back from last year's squad, >enough to make the Buffs one of the preseason favorites to win the national title, >along with Stanford and Arkansas. > > On Monday, Ritzenhein was walking with crutches. He said his leg started getting >sore the first week of August, something at the time he attributed to a sore >iliotibial band. He sat out Saturday's alumni/open/time trial, and then a bone scan >Sunday showed the stress fracture. It is expected Ritzenhein will miss between five >to 10 weeks of running. He said he will do about two hours of cross training a day, > starting with running in the pool during the next two weeks before beginning >bicycling. > > Wetmore said Ritzenhein, 19, is talented enough to come back and help the team even >after taking time off. However, it is in the runner's long-term interest to redshirt >the season. "Dathan and I both know he could probably work hard in the pool, move on >to the stationary bike, and with five weeks of running be in the top 20 (at the Nov. >25 NCAA championships)," said Wetmore. "But with the magnitude of what he can do in >his remaining three years of eligibility if he is completely healthy, it seems a >waste to run this season, even though it significantly jeopardizes our team attempt." > > As a high schooler, Ritzenhein took home the bronze medal at the 2001 World Cross >Country Championships in Dublin, Ireland, then came within a second of breaking the >all-time high school record for 5,000 meters. > > On the track last spring, he clocked 13:27.7 for 5,000 meters, one of the fastest >times by an American this year. > > "I am going to try and stay fit so that it won't be too horrible when I get back," >said Ritzenhein. "Redshirting is something I was planning on doing, but just not this >early (in his career). Our team is looking great this year. We had four >All-Americans, and now we will have three. We still have the best top three runners >in the nation." > > Despite the loss of Ritzenhein, some Buff fans remained optimistic that CU can still >defend its title. "They still have a chance," said marathoner Brad Hudson, pointing >to the young runners on the team. They include returning team members Jon Severy and >Jared Scott, recruits Brett Schoolmeester, Billy Nelson and Payton Batliner, and >walk-on Casey Burchill. > > === > "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a >trail." > Ralph Waldo Emerson > > --- "Post, Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Dathan Ritzenhein will miss the 2002 cross country season because of a > >stress fracture in his right femur. His leg began getting sore the first > >week of August, which at the time he attributed to a sore iliotibial band. > >He sat out CU's season-opening time trial on Saturday, then had a bone scan > >Sunday that showed the stress fracture. > > _ > Sign up for a 6mb FREE email from > http://www.spl.at > Join the buzz, chat with us! > http://chat.spl.at > > _ > Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with [EMAIL PROTECTED] by >Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag
Re: t-and-f: RESULTS---10K @ Van Damme
I guess we can't knock ESPN that much. The problem is the attention span of the overall U.S market. I was talking to an Irish coach at the Chicago marathon about 10 years ago. He said American sports are hard to follow because they consist of three seconds and a cloud of dust. That statement has really stuck with me. I love to watch any t&f event, but I think the networks believe that to reach a larger U.S. market takes a bunch of quick bites. I don't want to take anything away from the sprinters, but there was much more happening at this meet than on one straightaway. With the number of great performances in other events, I think taped recaps of 100s from previous meets was an unfortunate waste of time, especially considering the show was only 60 minutes (and came on at midnight in Chicago.) Allen Hall wrote: thats insane "Post, Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: By far the deepest quality 10,000 in history. All-time records for best time for place for 3rd thru 12th. -----Original Message- From: Mike Prizy To: B. Kunnath Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8/30/02 7:00 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: RESULTS---10K @ Van Damme Don't let us down ESPN2. "B. Kunnath" wrote: You could have made a decent race from the dnf's alone!! Bob 1 12 KIPKETER, Sammy KEN YB,PB 26:49.38 2 18 MEZEGEBU, Assefa ETH PB 26:49.90 3 11 LIMO, Richard KEN PB 26:50.20 4 20 CHEPKIRUI, Albert KEN PB 26:50.67 5 26 KORIR, John Cheruiyot KEN PB 26:52.87 6 22 IVUTI, Patrick KEN PB 27:05.88 7 21 YUDA, John TAN NR 27:06.17 8 28 GEBREMARIAM, Gebre-egziabher ETH PB 27:25.61 9 29 SIHEN, Sileshi ETH PB 27:26.12 10 30 MAASE, Kamiel NED NR 27:26.29 11 39 KIPROP, Francis KEN PB 27:36.78 12 37 KOMEN, Daniel KEN PB 27:38.32 13 40 VEGA, Teodoro MEX 28:00.91 14 91 MEKONNEN, Hailu ETH PB 28:01.10 15 15 KESKA, Karl GBR 28:11.20 16 34 OLMEDO, Pablo MEX PB 28:11.75 17 38 BERRIOUI, Saïd MAR SB 28:40.53 13 KAMATHI, Charles KEN dnf 14 RIOS, José ESP dnf 17 MUGI, Gordon KEN dnf 19 EL HIMER, Driss FRA dnf 24 MAINA MUNYI, Simon KEN dnf 31 MITEI, Enock KEN dnf 32 GEEMY, Richard KEN dnf 36 CÁCERES, Ignacio ESP dnf 485 KOSGEI, Joseph KEN dnf 16 ADMASSU, Yibeltal ETH dns _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
Re: t-and-f: GOOD track & field movies/books?
Wasn't there another made-for-TV movie about a college-aged distance runner stricken with cancer who eventually died? I thought it was fact-based. I could be way off on the circa, but I thought it came out around The Jericho Mile. "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: > Jericho Mile-1979. Strauss starred-Mann directed-pre Heat, Thief, > Manhunter(the first Hannibal Lector movie) and of course Miami Vice. Great > movie. The strains of Sympathy to the Devil can easily get you out the > door. Book-Once A Runner-the 400 repeats work-out is a classic. The > Olympian is better written but not as good if you are a runner. > Regards, > Martin > > FJ LEE wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the help I got in remembering the name of the > > > novel/movie "The Games." I noticed that most responders agreed that > > > it was pretty bad, both in written and film form, which got me > > > curious -- can anyone think of any truly good track & field movies or > > > books? > > > > wasn't there a movie about a convict who runs a sub 4-minute mile time- > > trial in jail, and then throws his spikes over the fence (i.e. the > > freedom side) as the final scene? I think it was the late 70's-early > > 80's? > > > > How can we forget "Golden Girl" with Susan Anton... the first person to > > triple in the sprints.. 100-200-400? Marion, are you out there? > > > > JL
Re: t-and-f: Briana at Holmdel
At the USATF JOs, Briana's time would have easily taken second place against the boys and was less than three seconds off the Midget boys' winning time (3000m - 10:30.91 to 10:33.05) and she ran unchallenged for much of the race. Ed Grant wrote: > Netters: > > Unlike New York and Kentucky, among others, New Jersey does not > allow elementary school athletes to compete on the HS level. > > But an idea of what might happen if it did came in a "Saturday at > the Park" 5K race Aug. 31 over the state championship course at Holmdel > County park when 7th-grader Briana Jackucewicz (who swept 3K honors in the > midget division at the two National JO meets this summer) won in 19:20, a > time which would have put her in the top 10 at most AG races there over the > past 20 years. > > A number of current HS runners trailed her at some distance, but > were likely using the race just to get acquainted with the course. > > Ed Grant
t-and-f: To List Manager
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t-and-f: Montgomery on reaction time
On today's USATF teleconference, Tim Montgomery had this remark regarding his fast reaction time (I think Walt asked this question.) http://usatf.org/news/showRelease.asp?article=/news/releases/2002-09-17.xml Q: Although you had a tremendous reaction time in Paris, you said you didnt really have a good start. Could you explain that? A: Power forward is movement forward, but my power came upward so the power went up in the air. Thats why (Dwain) Chambers was with me and the field was with me at 10 and 20 meters. ... "You can have a reaction but the reaction is just movement. It depends on movement up or down, but my movement wasnt forward." ... So it helped me, but it didnt help me. Other than the pull-up, I had the perfect race. I did not have a slow down at any part of the race. The race actually got faster coming in and thats hard for a lot of sprinters to do. Thats the reason the world record went. I didnt have any slow movement during the race. It was just a steady hard run.
Re: t-and-f: Montgomery on reaction time
I'm not a coach of world-class sprinters, so I agree with you that his start looked pretty damn good to me. However, according to Tim Montgomery, he said that not only Trevor Graham, but also John Smith commented on his less-than-perfect start: Q: What can you do to improve your record setting performance? A: At the start, instead of taking my hand and sweeping the track forward, I kinda like pulled it up and then took off running. My coach (Trevor Graham) saw it, and John Smith (Maurice Greenes coach) saw it, and he was like Im glad it happened or you couldve run 9.74 today. Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: > If Montgomery is to be believed that he had a poor start (and my viewing of > it yesterday does not bear that out), then possibly that is one of many > reasons for his great time - he didn't hit his top speed until later in the > race, so he decelerated least. I have often wondered if perhaps the ideal > 100m acceleration pattern is not to have the peak speed be at 60-80 meters, > but instead to be a sustained buildup with the peak at 85-90 meters. It's a > very difficult proposition to test, but I'd be curious to hear others' > thoughts on it. > > - Ed Parrot > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Prizy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Track List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 6:11 PM > Subject: t-and-f: Montgomery on reaction time > > On today's USATF teleconference, Tim Montgomery had this remark regarding > his fast reaction time (I > think Walt asked this question.) > > http://usatf.org/news/showRelease.asp?article=/news/releases/2002-09-17.xml > > Q: Although you had a tremendous reaction time in Paris, you said you didn't > really have a good > start. Could you explain that? > > A: Power forward is movement forward, but my power came upward so the power > went up in the air. > That's why (Dwain) Chambers was with me and the field was with me at 10 and > 20 meters. ... > > "You can have a reaction but the reaction is just movement. It depends on > movement up or down, but > my movement wasn't forward." > > ... So it helped me, but it didn't help me. Other than the pull-up, I had > the perfect race. I did > not have a slow down at any part of the race. The race actually got faster > coming in and that's hard > for a lot of sprinters to do. That's the reason the world record went. I > didn't have any slow > movement during the race. It was just a steady hard run.
Re: t-and-f: Poor Journalism, again?!
The Bullet had at least one individual gold, maybe the writer meant individual gold. But, was Gault on a relay gold? I'm from Chicago, but I can't remember Gault winning an Olympic (summer) gold medal. Did he win one on a sled? "Michael J. Roth" wrote: > >From the Espn article about Bob Hayes: > > When Dallas won the Super Bowl after the 1971 season, Hayes became the only > athlete to win an Olympic gold medal and a Super Bowl ring. More than 30 years > later, he's still the only person with both. > > -- > > I seem to remember a guy named Willie Gault . . . > > MJR
Re: t-and-f: Lassiter apologizes for mistake at World Cup
Or, maybe he sits in the corner with CJ. "Michael J. Roth" wrote: > Guido, Leroy, etc > > I don't know what will happen, but I doubt whether he'll get more punishment than >being > sent to sit in the corner with a dunce hat on. We can always dream, though! > > MJR > > malmo wrote: > > > Penalty phase? > > > > Like we already told youze guys how diss works out. Da Nike goons paid > > off tribute to da suits at da USATF just for times like deeze. Nobody > > from da Nike Family gets caught for nuttin' until da contract runs out. > > Masback doan know nuttin, nobody doan know nuttin, and you doan know > > nuttin eeder if you knows whats good for ya? > > > > You guys tink dat Marion is usin da same cornbread and greens recipe on > > Timmy as what whacked CJ? You guys can't prove nuttin! > > > > Guido and Leroy > > > > Da Management, Inc.
Re: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open
ghill wrote: > just curious: is a lawyer pissing-match a first for the list? :-) > Regarding credentials, what's the difference between a dead skunk in the middle of the road and a dead lawyer in the middle of the road? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . There were skid marks in front of the dead skunk.
t-and-f: Remembering Chicago's past winners
Here is a countdown series of articles written by a lister on remembering past winners of the Chicago Marathon. www.chicagosports.com/marathon
t-and-f: Chicago Marathon gets deeeper
PRESS RELEASE (from the LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon) HISTORIC FIELD GROWS FOR THE LASALLE BANK CHICAGO MARATHON Abdelkhader El Mouaziz, Yoko Shibui and Others Added to World Class Field Chicago (September 30, 2002) The historic field for The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon has grown even deeper with the addition of another sub 2:07 marathoner, Abdelkhader El Mouaziz, to the men's field and a rising Japanese star, Yoko Shibui, to the women's field, Executive Race Director Carey Pinkowski announced today. The much-anticipated 25th Anniversary of LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon takes place October 13. To have both World Record holders Khalid Khannouchi and Catherine Ndereba is an accomplishment; to also have their closest competitors, Paul Tergat and Paula Radcliffe in the same race is unprecedented. Now with the addition of El Mouaziz and Shibui the amount of pure, raw distance running talent and ability put together in one race exceeds any other marathon in the world. "Aldelkader El Mouziz has shown through his aggressive racing style that he can not only run with the best in the world, Paul Tergat and Khalid Khannouchi, he can also defeat them," said Pinkowski. "His impressive mid-race attacking style that has brought him victories at the New York City and London Marathons will add an interesting element of excitement to this year's LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. We have a strong group of very talented athletes that are looking to break through to the next level." El Mouaziz, a two-time Olympian from Morocco, is one of the world's most accomplished marathoner runners. He is a two-time winner of the London Marathon (1999, 2001) and the winner of the 2000 New York City Marathon. Earlier this year El Mouaziz ran a personal best 2:06:52 in a fourth place finish in London. This will be his first appearance at The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. Shibui, only 23 years old, is the latest star on the Japanese marathon scene. Shibui broke into the world spotlight at the 2001 Osaka International Ladies Marathon recording the second best marathon debut (2:23:11). Earlier this year she set the Japanese national 10,000m record (30:48.89) with her victory at the Cardinal Invitational in Palo Alto, CA. The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon will be her third marathon. "I was there at the 2001 Osaka Ladies International Marathon and extremely impressed as I witnessed Shibui's debut and victory through very challenging conditions and, even more difficult, with absolutely no competition," said Pinkowski. "This time Shibui will have some competition and I am confidant she will rise to the challenge and respond well to the other female athletes." Other impressive additions to The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon's elite list include Driss El Himer, Ian Syster and Toshinari Takaoka. El Himer's stunning debut was a 2:07:02 victory at the 2001 Amsterdam Marathon. That performance was the second fastest marathon in 2001, a French National Record and the third fastest debut marathon ever. Syster has only been running for two years. He made his marathon debut at the South African National Championships in 2001 and won the race to become the South African National Champion (2:13:30). Syster finished fifth at this year's London Marathon with a breakthrough performance of 2:07:06, a new personal best time by more than six minutes. Takaoka, a two-time Olympian, is the Japanese National record holder at 3000m (7:41.87), 5000m (13:13.40) and 10,000m (27:35.09). He will be running his second marathon and first LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. His marathon debut was at the 2001 Fukuoka Marathon where he finished third in 2:09:41. Additional notable elite women include Masako Chiba, Nuta Olaru and Svetlana Zakharova, Chiba'a first serious marathon was a 2:29:00 effort for fifth place at the 1999 Tokyo Ladies Marathon. She won 2001 Hokkaido Marathon in 2:30:39 and was second in 2002 Rotterdam Marathon in 2:25:11. Olaru is the second fastest woman marathoner in Romanian history. She broke through to world class level with a 2:25:18 personal best at the 2001 London Marathon. As part of her preparation for The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon, Olaru ran a strong third place (1:10:49) at the Rock 'N' Roll Half-Marathon, then knocked 53 seconds from her personal best with a 1:08:59 second place finish at the Romanian Half-Marathon Championships in mid-September. Zakharova placed second at the 2002 London Marathon, running the 17th fastest marathon of all-time and set a Russian National record in 2:22:31. In 2001 she ran four major marathons and finished in the top three in each; second in London, third at the World Championships, second in New York City and second in Honolulu. The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon has a reputation as one of the world's fastest courses. Last year Catherine Ndereba set a new World Record of 2:18:47, while Olympian Joan Benoit Samuelson set the still-standing women's American record of
t-and-f: Joan returns to Chicago Marathon
(From the LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon media) JOAN SAMUELSON JOINS THE LASALLE BANK CHICAGO MARATHON'S ELITE FIELD Chicago (October 3, 2002) Joan Samuelson, a pioneer in women's marathon running and America's greatest women's marathon legend, has committed to run the 25th anniversary of The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon, it was announced today by Executive Race Director Carey Pinkowski. The 25th Anniversary LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon takes place Sunday, October 13 at 7:30 a.m. "Joan Samuelson's return to compete in this year's Marathon makes the celebration of our 25th anniversary complete," said Pinkowski. " Joan is an integral part of the history of our event. I have been a big fan of hers for many years, all of us who were privileged to watch Joan's inspirational victory at the 1984 Olympics will be pulling for her." Samuelson, 45, then known as Joan Benoit, won the first women's Olympic Marathon on August 5, 1984 in 2:24:52, the only American women ever to win a Olympic gold medal in the marathon distance. She has set the American record in the marathon five times and still holds the record from her 1985 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon victory (2:21:21). Samuelson also holds the American record at 25K (1:24:43, set in 1986) and the half-marathon mark (1:08:34, set in 1984). She is a two-time winner of the Boston Marathon (1979, 1983) and former marathon World Record holder. "Seventeen years after setting the American record in Chicago, it's a great feeling to be coming back to The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon for the 25th anniversary," said Samuelson. "I know that I am fortunate to still be able to race in the marathon and I look forward to competing against the masters ranks. I am going to give it my best shot!" In 2000, Samuelson was ninth at the U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials (2:39:59) and last year she was the first masters finisher at the New York City Marathon in 2:42:56. She has been the top masters finisher at the Bix 7-Mile Road Race, the Carlsbad 5000, and the Falmouth Road Race. A Maine native, Samuelson lives in Freeport, Maine, with her husband Scott and children Amber and Anders. She is active in many community and civic organizations and is the founder of the Beach to Beacon 10K Road Race. Elite athletes will compete this fall for an event-record purse of $500,000. The male and female winners each will earn $100,000, the largest ever payout for first place in a marathon. The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon begins Sunday, October 13 at 7:30 a.m., starting and finishing in Chicago's Grant Park. The race will be televised live on NBC5 and broadcast on Chicago's ESPN Radio AM1000 from 7:30 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. # # # --- This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. If you have received it by mistake please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorised use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that e-mails are susceptible to change. ABN AMRO Bank N.V. (including its group companies) shall not be liable for the improper or incomplete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt or damage to your system. ABN AMRO Bank N.V. (or its group companies) does not guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that this communication is free of viruses, interceptions or interference. ---
t-and-f: International broadcast set for Chicago THE LASALLE BANK CHICAGO MARATHON
Unfortunately, unless you can get Chicago's NBC affiliate TV signal, this marathon will not be seen on live TV in the U.S.A. outside of Chicago. But it looks good if you are in Japan and the U.K. As for radio, I'm not sure of the strength of the ESPN 1000 AM signal. There will be regular on-line reports available at CAA.com (Chicago Athlete,) which is part of RunningNetwork.com, and there is supposed to be a link at ChicagoMarathon.com Original Message Subject: INTERNATIONAL BROADCAST SET FOR THE LASALLE BANK CHICAGO MARATHON Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:24:16 -0500 From: marathon.office PRESS RELEASE INTERNATIONAL BROADCAST SET FOR THE LASALLE BANK CHICAGO MARATHON Chicago (October 6, 2002) The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon will have the largest broadcast audience in the race's 25-year history. The Marathon will be broadcast internationally to nearly 100 million potential television viewers on Sunday October 13. Chicago's NBC5 and ESPN Radio 1000 will again be joined by TV Tokyo. The British Broadcast Company will televise the race live in Great Britain for the first time ever. The live broadcasts will require more than 50 cameras on trucks, motorcycles and helicopters along Chicago's fast 26.2 mile course in several neighborhoods and at the Start and Finish Line in Grant Park. NBC5 alone will have nearly 200 on-air and behind the scenes staff involved on race day. Chicago's NBC5, the proud home of the LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon, will begin coverage at 6 a.m. on Race Day with news, traffic and weather updates live from Grant Park. Full coverage will begin at 7:00 a.m. and the Race kicks off at 7:30 a.m. with 37,500 registered runners. The elite field includes the two fastest males and two fastest females competing against each other in the same race for the first time in the history of marathon running. Darrian Chapman, NBC5's top sports anchor, will host NBC5's race coverage. He will be joined by international marathon experts Tim Hutchings and Toni Reavis. Former U.S. Olympian marathoners and several NBC5's anchors and reporters will again be providing coverage from the neighborhoods, capturing the reactions of the more than 950,000 spectators expected on race day. Along the course, U.S. Olympian marathoners Linda Somers-Smith and Mark Coogan will provide insight from the men's and women's lead vehicles. Runners from 66 countries and all 50 states are participating. Last year, NBC5's television broadcast ranked #1 throughout its four-hour coverage, averaging a five household Nielsen rating - a total of 400,000 viewers. NBC5's 2001 telecast recently received two Emmy nominations NBC-owned Spanish language television station Telemundo 44 Chicago will join NBC5 in the Pilsen community (mile 17 of the 26.2 mile course) for live, hourly Spanish language updates broadcast locally on WSNS. Chicago's ESPN Radio 1000 will have host Dave Juday, veteran marathon expert Creigh Kelly and several reporters along the course in its live broadcast to Chicago's radio audience from 7 a.m. to 11 a.m. For the second consecutive year TV Tokyo will broadcast the Race live to an enormous Japanese national television audience. The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon telecast will be live in prime time throughout Japan. The British Broadcasting Company has committed to a two-and-a-half hour live broadcast of the Race without commercial interruptions from 1:30 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. in Great Britain. Paula Radcliffe, winner of the 2002 London Marathon in a time only eight seconds behind the world record set last year in Chicago by Catherine Ndereba, is now a enormous sports celebrity in Great Britain. The BBC will be closely following Radcliffe's much anticipated second marathon in Chicago. Elite athletes will compete for an event record purse of $500,000. The male and female winners each will earn $100,000, the largest ever payout for first place in a marathon. The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon has always lived up to its reputation as one of the world's fastest courses. Besides Catherine Ndereba's World Record set in 2001, Joan Benoit Samuelson set the woman's American record of 2:21:21 in Chicago in 1985. In its 24-year history Chicago also has owned two men's World Records (1984 Steve Jones - 2:08:05, 1999 Khalid Khannouchi - 2:05:42). # # # --- This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. If you have received it by mistake please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorised use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that e-mails are susceptible to change. ABN AMRO Bank N.V. (including its group companies) shall not be liable for the improper or incomplete transmission of the information contained in
t-and-f: Chicago's weather
The big winner at the LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon could be Starbucks Coffee. If the 900,000 to 1 Million spectators line the course as they have the last couple years, most will probably be holding hot chocolate or their favorite caffe latte. The Chicago weather has been spectacular this week with afternoon high temperatures reaching 65-70 F/19-21 C with Friday's forecast of 75 F/24 C. Mornings have been around 52 F/ 11 C with clear and near windless skies. However, a cold front is expected to blow through sometime Saturday afternoon, which will drastically change conditions. Depending on when and how fast the front moves through, Sunday morning could be very wet, windy, and cold with the day's high maybe reaching 48 F/ 9 C (sometime after the leaders finish) but only 37 F/ 3 C at race start. When and how fast the front moves through is the concern because pace setters could be facing winds out of the northwest with wind chills of 30 F/ -1 C through much of the first seven miles before the race heads south. The course is through business, commercial, and residential communities which will provide some protection from the wind. But the last two miles are run north near the open shoreline of Lake Michigan.
Re: t-and-f: Chicago and US runners
I believe this group was following the pace duties of Rod DeHaven and Godfrey Kiprotich, who Culpepper gave thanks to. I think DeHaven pulled to about 16M. But, Culpepper's splits on the Marathon web site are 45:18/1:03:57/1:32:33 with a 4:56 finish average on his 2:09:41. Not bad for a guy who list Self as his agent and his coach. Richard McCann wrote: > Culpepper ran an impressive debut, reeling in the field after giving them a > minute at half way. But what's this pack of US runners? Looks like they > were on a training run rather than racing rest of the world > > >12 Kyle Baker26 M 02:14:13 02:13:52 4 12 0:46:51 1:05:48 > >13 Clint Verran27 M 02:14:17 02:13:56 5 13 0:46:52 1:05:48 > >14 Keith Dowling33 M 02:14:22 02:14:01 8 14 0:46:52 1:05:48 > >15 Ryan Shay23 M 02:14:30 02:14:09 2 15 0:46:51 1:05:47 > >16 Kentaro Ito JPN 99 M 02:14:41 02:14:20 1 16 0:45:35 1:04:56 > >17 Peter De La Cerda31 M 02:14:41 02:14:20 9 17 0:46:53 1:05:48 > >18 Josh Cox27 M 02:15:01 02:14:40 6 18 0:46:52 1:05:49 > > Richard McCann
Re: t-and-f: Chicago and US runners
Maybe this group was looking at the 2:14 barrier because that was the first time bonus. A sub-2:14 was worth $1,000 (second time bonus: sub 2:12 - $3,000.) And, since these guys had elite bid numbers, 2:14 had to be by the clock time - not the chip. A 2:13:59 group "training run" and a $1,000 is better than blowing up and coming home in 2:20-something. I think it was a great day for Ryan Shay, 23, a recent grad of Notre Dame. Too bad he was just outside the money, but he is going to have even better days ahead. Some of these guys are from the Hanson team. I saw this group at 2M, 12M/20K, and at 15M. They had their Hanson supporters on the course cheering them on, but the crowd got up for these guys the whole way. They did remind me of a bunch of college guys working together and hammering a Sunday morning 20 miler. Americans in the top 25 with their ages and clock/chip times: 6.) Alan Culpepper - 2:09:41 12.) Kyle Baker, 26 -2:14:13/2:13:52 13.) Clint Verran, 27 - 2:14:17/2:13:56 14.) Keith Dowling, 33 - 2:14:22/2:14:01 15.) Ryan Shay, 23 - 2:14:30/2:14:09 17.) Peter De La Cerda, 31 - 2:14:41/2:14:20 18.) Josh Cox, 27 - 2:15:01/2:14:40 23.) Weldon Johnson, 29 - 2:18:10/2:17:50 Richard McCann wrote: > My point is that these runners (running 2:12 pace not 2:11 BTW), were > running a conservative time oriented race without regard to the competition > around them instead of running a "balls to the walls" risk taking race > against the best in the world. Until US runners start taking those risks, > which they did in late 70s and early 80s, they won't be competitive with > the rest of the world. > > As to Malmo's comment: I did take these types of risks when I could 20 > years ago, and I both paid dearly for them and had some shocking > improvements. I not asking them to do any differently than I tried to > do. And by implying that only current elite athletes can criticize current > elite athletes, you are saying that no fan of the sport has any standing in > talking about athletes' performances. That's not a valid defense. > > RMc > > At 07:57 PM 10/14/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >In a message dated 10/14/2002 7:51:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > >>But what's this pack of US runners? Looks like they > >> > > were on a training run rather than racing rest of the world > > > > > >Since when is going out in sub 1:06 a training run? Of course this is > >going to go back to the old tired thread of "why isn't the US as good as > >the rest of the world?", but going out at 2:11 marathon pace for the first > >half is not training. If your goal is sub 2:12 then they were right where > >they needed to be, they just did not get it done in the second half. > > > >Brian Fullem
t-and-f: [Fwd: Recap 2002 LASALLE BANK CHICAGO MARATHON
Original Message Subject: THE 2002 LASALLE BANK CHICAGO MARATHON, An Unforgettable 25th Anniversary Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:14:32 -0500 PRESS RELEASE THE 2002 LASALLE BANK CHICAGO MARATHON An Unforgettable 25th Anniversary The 25th Anniversary LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon was simply unforgettable ? a beautiful fall day with a record number of finishers, nearly a million spectators, a new women's World Record and the crowning of Chicago's first four-time winner. Below is a summary of highlights from this world-class event and one of Chicago's favorite annual traditions. Radcliffe Shatters The World Record British superstar Paula Radcliffe capped off her phenomenal year by shattering the World Record with a stunning 2:17:18 performance. Against a superior field, including defending champion and former World Record holder Catherine Ndereba, Radcliffe took control of the race for good after the half-way mark when she clocked mile splits of 5:08, 5:11 and 5:06 from mile 17 thorough 19. She ran alone and stayed strong during the final stretch up Lake Shore Drive to knock off an amazing 89 seconds off the World Record which Ndereba set in 2001 on Chicago's fast course. Khannouchi Wins His Fourth After a year absence, Khalid Khannouchi returned to Chicago to win his fourth LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. Competing in the most impressive field in the Marathon's 25 year history, Khannouchi went head-to-head with Paul Tergat, defending champion Ben Kimondiu, and two-time London Marathon champion Abdelkhader El Mouaziz. But it was Toshinari Takaoka who would provide Khannouchi with his biggest challenge as the Japanese 10,000m champion broke out from the pack at mile 19 to take a 21 second lead at mile 23. Khannouchi then launched a tremendous kick and in dramatic fashion, caught Takaoka by mile 25 and passed him at McCormick Place. After taking the lead Khannouchi kept his furious pace over the last two-and-a-half miles to win Chicago for the fourth time in 2:05:56, becoming the only marathoner with three sub-2:06 performances. Chicago is Fastest Marathon in the World The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon was the fastest in history. Besides Radcliffe's World Record performance of 2:17:18 and Khannouchi's 2:05:56, it was the first time five men ran sub 2:07 and two women ran sub 2:20. Chicago's 25-year history includes four world records and five American records, including Joan Benoit Samuelson's 1985 performance of 2:21:21 which still stands today. National Records set at Chicago This year Chicago added three National records to the list totaling 15 National records now held at The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. Toshinari Takaoka's third place 2:06:16 finish took 35 second off the former Japanese record. Svetlana Zakharova improved on her own Russian National record from earlier this year by exactly one minute finishing fourth in 2:21:31. And of course, Paula Radcliffe broke her own British National record with her World Record time 2:17:18. National Records Men |---+-+-+| | ECU |1997 | 2:09:49 |Silvio Guerra | |---+-+-+| | GBR |1985 | 2:07:13 |Steve Jones (WAL) | |---+-+-+| | JPN |2002 | 2:06:16 |Toshinari Takaoka | |---+-+-+| | MAR |1999 | 2:05:42 |Khalid Khannouchi | |---+-+-+| | PER |1998 | 2:11:36 |Miguel Mallqui | |---+-+-+| | POL |1990 | 2:09:41 |Antonio Niemczak| |---+-+-+| | URU |1999 | 2:12:48 |Nestor Garcia | |---+-+-+| | WAL |1985 | 2:07:13 |Steve Jones | |---+-+-+| Women |---+-+-+| | GBR |2002 |2:17:17.8|Paula Radcliffe (ENG) | | | | || |---+-+-+| | KEN |2001 | 2:18:47 |Catherine Ndereba | |---+-+-+| | KGZ |1999 | 2:27:46 |Irina Bogacheva | |---+-+-+| | POL |2001 | 2:26:08 |Malgorzata Sobanska | |---+-+-+| | POR |1985 | 2:23:29 |Rosa Mota | |---+-+-+| | RUS |2002 | 2:21:31 |Svetlana Zakharova | |---+-+-+| | USA |1985 | 2:21:21 |Joan Samuelson | |---+-+-+| Culpepper Runs American Debut Record According to Runner's World online, Alan Culpepper ran the fastest debut American marathon ever with his sixth place finish of 2:09:41, improving on Todd Williams' 2:11:17 debut in Ch
t-and-f: Paula & Oprah on Friday
Last Friday, Paula Radcliffe taped about an eight-minute segment on the Oprah TV show that is scheduled to air this Friday, Oct. 25. That Oprah show is titled, "That's Incredible." I'm told Paula was great and that Oprah did a lot of gushing
Re: t-and-f: NYC coverage
Check out the Recap list post of the Chicago Marathon. The TV ratings in Japan and the U.K. were incredible. Bob Duncan wrote: > Lee Nichols wrote: > > As most of you probably already know, it appears the only NYC > > Marathon TV coverage will be a pared-down, one-hour "highlights" show > > after the event, that afternoon on NBC. Oh well, after NO coverage of > > Chicago, I suppose I should be grateful for that much. I miss > > watching the whole thing, which they showed when I was a kid. (And > > they showed all of Chicago, too.) > It's a shame, too, as there were so many classic races in the past which > were given excellent coverage in New York, usually better than the > Olympics. I recall watching Salazar's classic duel with Rudolfo Gomez > and then going out and hammering a 20 miler in the rain. Another time, I > drove > down to my daughter's college XC meet and brought along a VCR > along so that I could tape the marathon from the motel the next day. > > In my neck of the woods (north Alabama), all we have to watch on Sunday > morning are news shows, church services, and real estate shows. Hell, > many of us would probably fork over $$$ to watch these marathons on pay > per view. The US networks blew it big time over Chicago, even though > everyone knew > ahead of the time that at least one world record was a possibility. > > With this lack of coverage, youngsters have fewer opportunities to watch > and be inspired, which ultimately diminishes the new talent pool. > > bob
t-and-f: Paula to be on Oprah
Paula Radcliffe taped an Oprah TV show last week. No word on when the show will air. http://www.chicagoaa.com/ http://www.chicagoaa.com/news/chicagomarathon02womenwrapup.html
Re: t-and-f: Paula & Oprah on Friday
Marty, You are right. I just caught the last couple minutes of Oprah (9 a.m.-10 a.m. in Chicago.) When the credits were rolling, I saw a shot of Paula in the audience. I was going by what I was told, but I just checked the Chicago Marathon's website, and it is listed as today. Oprah's show is shot at her Harpo (Oprah spelled retro!) studio, which is here in Chicago. I don't know about the rest of the U.S., but the Oprah show is shown in the a.m. and replayed at 11 p.m., right after Nightline. (Our news comes on at 10 p.m. so us Midwesterners can get to bed earlier.) Oprah has so much power here that her show pushes back the new Ted K. show Upclose that follows Nightline. "Post, Marty" wrote: > According to the Oprah website the "That's Incredible" show is today > (Thursday, Oct 24). Tomorrow is something about personal journals. > > http://www.oprah.com > > -Original Message- > From: Mike Prizy [mailto:mikeprizy@;attbi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:25 PM > To: Track List > Subject: t-and-f: Paula & Oprah on Friday > > Last Friday, Paula Radcliffe taped about an eight-minute segment on the > Oprah TV show that is > scheduled to air this Friday, Oct. 25. That Oprah show is titled, "That's > Incredible." > > I'm told Paula was great and that Oprah did a lot of gushing
Re: t-and-f: Did Paula see Jesus?
Well, He has been known to hang out in the Grant Park area of Chicago. "Post, Marty" wrote: > In case you missed it, an excerpt from Paula Radcliffe's appearance on the > Oprah show yesterday: > > Oprah: You know, after my marathon--I've only run one, and I think I will > only run one in my lifetime--I always say, when you get to around 22 miles, > no matter what your religion, you see Jesus. Did you see Jesus? > > Paula: No, I didn't see him, but I knew he was helping me. Your marathon was > tougher than mine, because the weather was much worse.
t-and-f: Radcliffes best, is record best!
http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=2/newsId=19897.html Radcliffes best, is record best! Wednesday 23 October 2002 Paula Radcliffe's Marathon World best time is statistically the greatest women's running mark in the record book at all distances currently contested at senior international championship level. The Hungarian Scoring Tables (2001), used by the International Association of Athletics Federations to assist in allocating prize money and World Rankings, award Radcliffe 1302 points for her time of 2hrs 17min 18sec in the Chicago Marathon. These points equate to women's running times of 10.42sec for 100m and Griffith-Joyner's World records of 10.49sec and 21.34sec. Radcliffe's run is also accorded equivalence to 47.14sec for 400m. The 400m World record is 47.60sec by East Germany's Marita Koch, while reigning Olympic champion Cathy Freeman's best is 48.63sec and she ran 49.11sec for gold in Sydney. Other scoring values (in brackets) and World record comparisons include: 800m (1min 51.89sec) WR 1:53.28, 1500m 3min 48.94sec) WR 3:50.46, 5000m (13min 58.14sec) WR 14:28.09, 10,000m (29min 26.10sec) WR 29:31.78, 100m hurdles (11.91sec) WR 12.21sec, 400m hurdles (50.81sec) WR 52.61sec. By Mike Hurst (Daily and Sunday Telegraph, Australia) for the IAAF
Re: t-and-f: marathon stats
Also, don't forget the great coverage you will get from us local guys. http://www.chicagoaa.com/ http://www.runningnetwork.com/features/chicagomarathon2002.html http://www.runningnetwork.com/ "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: > Info from Monti: > > "You can listen to live audio updates from the LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon > on the web by tuning to BBC's Radio Five. You need an audio card and at > least a pair of headphones attached to your computer. > > Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/, then click the link for "listen live." > The BBC producer here told me that there will be updates from the race every > five minutes or so. > > BTW, just about every British athletics journalist is here in Chicago to > follow Paula's race. There is also a huge contingent of Japanese > journalists, mainly here to cover Yoko Shibui. TV Tokyo will show the race > live. > > ENDS > > David Monti, Editor & Publisher, Race Results Weekly > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > +1 212 752 2666 > +1 212 752 2626 (fax) > +1 815 461 2285 (alt fax) > > POB 8233 FDR Station, New York, NY 10150 USA > > Race Results Weekly is sponsored by: > RUNNER'S WORLD SALMINI FILMS" > > Ben Hall wrote: > > > BBC Five Live is supposed to have it on radio. It's available via the web. > > T&FN will have link to hte coverage with the rest of the stats for the race. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:owner-t-and-f@;lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Bob Duncan > > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:07 PM > > To: track list > > Subject: Re: t-and-f: marathon stats > > > > Gary Hill wrote: > > > in anticipation of a kick-ass Chicago on Sunday, we've posted some stats > > you > > > might find interesting on the T&FN site (www.trackandfieldnews.com) > > Thanks for the interesting statistics. > > Now, if only we had televised coverage in the US (outside of Chicago or > > satellite)... > > Runner's World is giving updates during the race on their website, but it's > > not the same! > > Anybody know of any other live coverage options? > > > > bob > > -- > Regards, > > Martin > > Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Partner > Millard, Rouse & Rosebrugh LLP > Chartered Accountants > P.O. Box 367 > 96 Nelson Street > Brantford, Ontario > N3T 5N3 > Direct Dial: (519) 759-3708 Ext. 231 > Telephone: (519) 759-3511 > Private Facsimile: (519) 759-8548 > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web site: www.millards.com > Practice Areas: www.millards.com/htm/profs/m_mjdixo.htm > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for > the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution > or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a > criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email > confirmation to the sender.
Re: t-and-f: New England Intercollegiate XC Champs 10/11
Just an FYI for some: Cicero graduated from York H.S. (Elmhurst, Ill.) that also produced Stanford junior Don Sage. Steve Vaitones wrote: > New England Intercollegiate XC Championships > Friday, October 11, 2002 > Franklin Park, Boston > overcast for women, rain for men, 50's > > Boston College soph Maria Cicero led from the start to take the 28th > Women's New Englands at Franklin Park. Accompanied by teammate Julie > Spolidoro for most of the race, the '02 US Junior Champion ran a relaxed > race and finished in 17:07. Spolidoro held on for second (17:11) as Keene > State's Mary Proulx (DIII) fell short with her kick in the final > 200. Proulx had been with the top 2 at one mile but fell back over the > middle of the race. > Boston College won their first NE team title in 18 years, 70 - 97 over > Division III Williams. Dartmouth (4th) and Yale (17th) were listed as > "B" squads, while Providence only ran a few individuals. > > Men's winner Adam Sutton had 10 seconds on the field by one mile and braved > increasingly rainy conditions to handily win the 90th edition of the men's > championship. By the finish, he had 28 seconds on runner-up Ryan Bak of > Division III Trinity.However, backed by Tyler McCabe (3) and Pat > Moulton (4), Providence took their third straight team win with 36 > points. Runner-up Brown score 70. > > Women - 5017m > 1.Maria Cicero, BC, 17:07 > 2.Julie Spolidoro, BC, 17:11 > 3.Mary Proulx, Keene St (III), 17:11 > 4.Caroline Cretti, Williams (III), 17:18 > 5.Jennifer Donovan, BC, 17:35 > 6.Michele Palmer, Vermont, 17:36 > 7.Meredith Crocker, Brown, 17:42 > 8.Mariko Tansey Holbrook, Brandeis (III) 17:42 > 9.Julia Benson, Williams (III), 17:44 > 10.Michelle Rorke, Williams (III), 17:47 > Teams: > 1.Boston College 70; 2.Williams (III) 97; 3.Brown, 115; 4.Dartmouth"B", > 160; 5.Middlebury (III) 161; 6.Boston Univ 185; 7.Rhode Island 280; > 8.Connecticut 324; 9.Vermont 328; 10.Stonehill (II) 341; 42 scored > > Men 7945m > 1.Adam Sutton, Providence, 23:31 > 2.Ryan Bak, Trinity (III) 23:59 > 3.Tyler McCabe, Prov, 24:04 > 4.Pat Moulton, Prov, 24:10 > 5.Mark Miller, Keene St (III) 24:22 > 6.Brian Tarpy, Brown, 24:23 > 7.Shawn Wallace, BC, 24:23 > 8.Jeff Gaude3tte, Brown, 24:24 > 9.Jochen Dieckfoss, Boston U, 24;32 > 10.Carl Meese, UMass Lowell (II), 24:34 > Teams: > 1.Providence 36; 2.Brown, 70; 3.Dartmouth 128; 4.UMass Lowell (II) 166; > 5.Boston U, 232; 6.Boston College 285; 7.Keene St (III) 291; 8.Maine 295; > 9.Williams (III) 314; 10.Bates (III) 330. 46 scored > > Full Results: www.neicaaa.org > (men) andhttp://nechamps.home.att.net/ (women) > > Steve Vaitones > Managing Director > USA Track & Field - New England Association > P.O.Box 1905 > Brookline MA 02446-0016 > Phone: 617 566 7600 > Fax: 617 734 6322 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.usatfne.org
t-and-f: [Fwd: Rules:IHSA Track and Field]
Original Message Subject: IHSA Track and Field Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:27:19 -0500 From:d211.org BCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IHSA (Illinois) Board of Directors approved the following this week: Track and Field 1. Approved changes in 2003 qualifying standards in Girls Track: Class A -- Pole Vault from 7-9 to 8-0. Shot put from 34-6 * to 35-6, 3200 Run from 12:25.5 MT and 12:25.74 FAT to 12:17 MT and 12:17.24 FAT. Class AA - Pole Vault from 8-9 to 9-6; 4 x 800 Relay from 9:46.5 MT and 9:46.74 FAT to 9:45.0 MT and 9:45.24 FAT; 4 x 100 Relay from :50.2 MT and :50.44 FAT to :50.0 MT and :50.24 FAT; 100 Dash from :12.3 MT and :12.54 FAT to :12.2 MT and :12.44 FAT; 4 x 200 Relay from 1:47.5 MT and 1:47.74 FAT to 1:47.0 MT and 1:47.24 FAT. 2. Approved changes in 2003 qualifying standards in Boys Track: Class A - 3200 Run from 10:10.0 MT and 10:10.24 FAT to 10:05.0 MT and 10:05.24 FAT. Class AA - 110 High Hurdles from :14.6 MT and :14.84 FAT to :14.5 MT and :14.74 FAT. 3. Boys/Girls: Approved the following procedure for qualifying from the preliminaries to the finals at the state final: "In the preliminaries of all running events, the winner of each heat/section advances to the finals, and the remaining qualifying positions will be filled on the basis of time." 4. Boys/Girls: Approved for the State Final that the seeding procedure for the preliminaries in all running events at the state final to place the top sectional qualifier in the last heat, the other top qualifiers in the heats in front of the last heat and arrange the runners accordingly. 5. Boys/Girls: Approved creating a new section in VII State Meet Series Rules regarding the Pole Vault as follows: Pole Vault Weigh-In 1) Each competitor in the pole vault shall be weighed in advance of the competition in the event each day. Competitors shall weigh in wearing their school issued uniform, any clothing in addi
Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
Category: Best Race Called (radio style) But NOT Seen in USA: 1-800-94-TRACK (Vic Holchak): Marc Davis kicking down Khalid Skah in a 2M race with European fans going crazy. Bob Duncan wrote: > Bloomquist, Bret wrote: > > How about worst races in track history? > Or even the 2000 Olympic Trials 200m, where both MJ and Maurice Green > pulled! \ > > Or the 1992 10,000m travesty with Khalid Skah and Richard Chelimo, where > lapped runner Hammou Boutayeb paced Skah over the last three laps. > > bob
Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
Mary's 1500/3000 in Helsinki are very high on my list. I remember watching one of the races in a bar on the South Side of Chicago. We talked the bar owner - who supported a few of us runners with pizza and beer - in to showing the WC on the big projection screen, and we promised to bring in about 20 other runners who would actually pay for their pizza and beer. The crowd normally consisted of out-of-work steel mill workers who were diehard Chicago Bear/Chicago Blackhawk/Chicago White Sox fans (that's American football/hockey/baseball.) None were distance runner. But there was not a soul sitting or not screaming at the screen. Most of these guys had no clue what the event was, just that some American girl beat the Russians. Kurt Bray wrote: > >I now can't remember if it was the 3K or the 1500 in Helsinki where Decker > >outkicked the two Soviets to the line (with Kazankina, I believe, making a > >dramatic but vain dive) > > I think you are referring to the 1500m. I had the good fortune to attend > that meet in Helsinki, and Mary Decker outkicked Soviets in both races. She > also ran from the front in both races, and in the 3K she battled Kazankina > down the stretch. Decker found another gear a pulled away with a surge. > The West German Brigette Kraus passed Kazankina for second place after > Decker had put her away. > > A few days later in the 1500m final, all three Soviet runners took turns in > the last 200m challenging for the lead from the front-running Decker. Mary > held off the first two bids, but the top Soviet 1500m runner of the moment, > Zamira Zaitseva, passed Mary off the final turn and pushed into the lead. > Mary didn't give up but dug down and battled back, step for step, all the > way down the stretch passing the Russian just before the line. Zaitseva > desperately dove in an attempt to hang on to the win but failed and > painfully skinned her face on the track surface. > > This was one year before Mary's prickly personality became publicly known, > and many years before she tested positive, so her reputation was unsullied > in those days. So that Little Mary had twice turned back the Big Bad > Soviets caused the crowd to go absolutely nuts. The wild cheering went on > and on. The crowd was still buzzing 20 minutes later. > > Those were the days > > Kurt Bray > > _ > Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
Unless I missed it in a previous post, but how about Alberto Juantorena with his two golds in 1976 OG in the 400 and 800 (1:43.50 WR.)
t-and-f: Chicago sportscaster dies
Those of you who were at the LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon press conference Thursday before the race will remember Mr. Chapman as the guy who did a fine job as the master of ceremonies. Remember Mr. Chapman's wife and two young children in your prayers. http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-021030chapman.story http://www.nbc5.com/nbc5/1661285/detail.html Ch. 5 sportscaster dies Tribune staff reports Published October 30, 2002, 1:58 PM CST Darrian Chapman, WMAQ-Ch. 5s sports anchor, collapsed while playing hockey early this morning and was pronounced dead a short time later at a Chicago hospital. WGN-AM 720 reported that Chapman, Channel 5s lead sports anchor on the 5, 6 and 10 p.m. newscasts, fell ill at Johnnys Ice House, a Near West Side skating rink. He was taken to Rush-Presbyterian St. Lukes Medical Center, where doctors worked unsuccessfully for an hour to revive him. In a statement on its Web site, Channel 5 confirmed Chapmans death and said the cause was not yet known. Chapman, 37, suffered a heart attack several years ago when a piece of plaque that had flaked off from an artery wall restricted the flow of blood to his heart. According to Channel 5, Chapman joined the Chicago station as a weekend anchor and sports reporter in May 2000 from an NBC station in Washington, D.C. He was a weekend morning sports anchor and sports anchor for more than four years for the Washington station and also did play-by-play for George Mason Universitys mens basketball team on Home Team Sports. Prior to that, Darrian was sports director at WGR NewsRadio 55 in Buffalo, N.Y. Chapman was active in community and charitable events for organizations including the American Heart Association and Arhritis Foundation. He had attended the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, where he majored in journalism and communications. He is survived by two children, Marissa and Jordan, and his wife, Deborah. Copyright © 2002, Chicago Tribune
Re: t-and-f: Letter to NBC Sports re: NYC marathon coverage
At least for the big events, the networks will just reinvent themselves. Just like newspapers have and just like oil companies have. How many energy-source pots does BP have their hands in? I believe most of the networks already have some sort of cable presence. What news medium doesn't already have a web site? I would expect Jabbour to be getting a nice offer from a network. Olympic results and stories were even posted on the TV network's web site in 2000. With the next Olympics again many time zones away from the U.S., a marketing genius and a bean counter will figure out that they can't continue to fool all the Americans - at least not the track fans - by showing events hours after they happened and pretending like it just took place. I think some 2004 events will be webcast live and/or on the network's cable outlet with key events as always being recapped on prime time network TV in the U.S. Unfortunately, the U.S. networks are still bureaucracies. Otherwise the guys making these decisions would have figured out sooner that going national/live - even with tin cans and strings - with Chicago and N.Y.C. marathons would have been good ideas. "Kamal T. Jabbour" wrote: > Hello Lee: > > Hasn't the time come for track fans to realize that television is a dead > medium, and that the Internet is the only real hope for our sport? > Instead of lobbying NBC, we should be lobbying race directors and meet > directors to webcast their events live. > > Kamal > > DR KAMAL JABBOUR - Engineer, Educator, Runner, WriterO o > 2-222 Center for Science and Technology /|\/ <|\ > Syracuse University, Syracuse NY 13244-4100 | | > Phone 315-443-3000, Fax 315-443-4745 __/ \ \/ \ > http://running.syr.edu/jabbour.html\ \
Re: t-and-f: Those HS rules again
Ed Grant wrote: > On another related note. It is against the rules to use video > equipment to sort out these close finishes. We all, I am sure either recall > or have heard of the time when two of the best-ever college CC teams, from > the legendary programs at Oregon and Villanova, saw a close team finish > reversed on an examination of a video of the finish. > The person against using video to sort out close XC finishes should work the finish of the USATF National JO Midget Boys 3000m final - alone.
Re: t-and-f: Shot putters article
Good article once I found it. The Glute Contest photos were nice also. http://www.planetmuscle.com/articles/5_5/brobs.html "Michael J. Roth" wrote: > Throwers- > > Check out Jeff Everson's Planet Muscle & Nutrition Magazine, Dec > edition, has a really extensive areticle on the US Shot Putters and the > history of the event. It has many classic pics as well. You might be > able to get it at www.planetmuscle.com too. > > MJR
Re: t-and-f: Fwd: woman marathoner dies
The unfortunate death of the woman at the Marine Corps Marathon being attributed to breast feeding was of great interest to me. My wife breast feed all three of our sons (each over a year) with no complications. La Leche League International just happens to be in the town where I now live of Schaumburg, Ill. They support vigorous exercise for breast feeding mothers. According to La Leche League, most American women who are still breast feeding at 10 months are only doing so a couple times a day, which should not have had a correlation with a sodium imbalance. Also, according to the LLLI, breast feeding alone does not cause "great physical stresses" on the body. Here is what the La Leche League provided: Hi Mike, Thanks for calling today, and also for sending information about the sad death of the mother in the Marine Corps Marathon. The selected bib list on Exercise and Breast feeding Mothers is in the attached file. We'd appreciate it if you learn anything concrete on the sodium levels having a relationship with this death. Again, after ten months of breast feeding, it is very unlikely that there would be any sort of impact on the mother's sodium level or her running program, from the information we have. Best wishes, Center for Breast feeding Information La Leche League International La Leche League International CENTER FOR BREASTFEEDING INFORMATION BREASTFEEDING AND EXERCISE Selected Bibliography March 2001 Dewey, K.G. et al. A Randomized Study of the Effects of Aerobic Exercise by Lactating Women on Breast-Milk Volume and Composition. N Engl J Med 1994; 330(7):449-53. Dewey, K.G. and Lovelady, C. Exercise and Breast-Feeding: A Different Experience. Pediatrics 1993; 91(2):514-15. Dewey, K.G. and McCrory, M.A. Effects of Dieting and Physical Activity on Pregnancy and Lactation. Am J Clin Nutr 1994; 59(Suppl):446S-59S. Dressendorfer, R.H. Physical Training During Pregnancy and Lactation. Phys Sportmed 1978; n:74-80. Drinkwater, B.L. and Chesnut, C.H. Bone Density Changes During Pregnancy and Lactation in Active Women: A Longitudinal Study. Bone and Mineral 1991; 14:153-60. Dusdieker, L.B. et al. Is milk production impaired by dieting during lactation? Am J Clin Nutr 1994; 59:833-40. Lovelady, C.A. et al. Lactation Performance of Exercising Women. Am J Clin Nutr 1990; 52:103-09. Lovelady, C.A. et al. The effect of weight loss in overweight, lactating women on the growth of their infants. N Engl J Med 2000-2-17; 342(7):449-53 McCrory M.A. et al. Randomized trial of the short-term effects of dieting compared with dieting plus aerobic exercise on lactation performance. Am J Clin Nutr 1999; 69:959-67 Prentice, A. Should Lactating Women Exercise? Nutr Reviews 1994; 52(10):358-60. Schauberger, C.W. et al. Factors that Influence Weight Loss in the Puerperium. Obstet Gynecol 1992; 79(3):424-29. Schelkun, P.H. Exercise and Breast-Feeding Mothers. Phys Sportsmed 1991; 19(4):109-16. Spaaij, C.J.K. et al. Effect of Lactation on Resting Metabolic Rate and on Diet- and Work-Induced Thermogenesis. Am J Clin Nutr 1994; 59:42-47. Walker, M. Lactic Acid and Breast-Feeding. Pediatrics 1993; 91(5):1016. Wallace, J.P. Lactic Acid and Breast-Feeding. Pediatrics 1993; 91(5):1016-17. Wallace, J.P. Exercise and Breast-Feeding: A Different Experience. Pediatrics 1993; 91(2):514-15. Wallace, J.P. Breast Milk and Exercise Studies. Certified News 1993; 3(1):6-8, 14. Wallace, J.P. Infant Acceptance of Postexercise Breast Milk. Pediatrics 1992; 89(6):1245-47. Wallace, J.P. et al. The Influence of the Fullness of Milk in the Breasts on the Concentration of Lactic Acid in Postexercise Breast Milk. Int J Sports Med 1992; 13:395-98. Wallace, J.P. and Rabin, J. The Accumulation of Lactic Acid in Mother's Milk Following Maximal Exercise. Med Sci Sports Exerc 1986; 18(2)suppl:S47. Zhang, J. et al. Moderate Physical Activity and Bone Density Among Perimenopausal Women. Am J Public Health 1992; 82(5):736-38. Richard McCann wrote: > A member of our club knew this woman. She had given birth 10 months ago > and was still breast feeding. She had undertaken a 30 week training > program (starting 10 weeks after giving birth). It appears that she > suffered from severe sodium imbalance possibly created by the stresses of > nursing. (my wife knows another woman with the same problem). I think the > message from this incident is that women should avoid training for such an > arduous endeavor so soon after giving birth, especially if they are still > nursing, which is particularly physically stressful. > > Richard McCann > > >Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:52:27 -0800 (PST) > >From: Dan Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: t-and-f: Fwd: Lady marathoner dies > > > >Obeying all but the last request... > > > >- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I'm not a subscriber to the T&F chatlist but I examine its archive > > > weekly and read messages with interesting subject lines. Th
Re: t-and-f: Fwd: woman marathoner dies
I was only passing on what LLL would comment on with the little information there is about this unfortunate incident. At this point, I think there are many more unanswered questions than what is actually known. Regarding energy, we found there to be much less: No late night shopping, cleaning, mixing, matching, warming, - and the formula was always right. I don't plan on reviewing the bib list below to see how LLL defined vigorous exercise. However, vigorous exercise v. running a marathon would need defining to accurately compare. Your definition below - which I have never seen before - about the damage a marathon does sounds like it might be a description for a person racing at his/her threshold, but the same person could cover the distance at a slower pace and not be as beat up. Breast feeding has many positive physiological benefits, not only for the baby, but for the mother. http://www.lalecheleague.org/NB/NBJulAug01p124.html In the "A to Z: 26 Reasons to Nurse Your Baby," Q stands for "Quick weight loss for Mother." http://www.lalecheleague.org/NB/LVAugSep97p90NB.html Breast feeding does return the mother's body back to a prepregnancy state much faster. Maybe this is an education and medical evaluation area that needs more attention when it involves a nursing mom who wants to prepare to run a marathon. Richard McCann wrote: > My wife nursed our son for 2 1/2 years. She found that it took a fair > amount of energy. She was also active in the local LLL activities and I > strongly support breast feeding. > > Also there is substantial difference between vigorous exercise, which can > enhance the body's functions, and competing in a marathon, which has been > compared to inflicting the same amount of damage as a serious illness which > takes several weeks to recover from. It is this difference in degree to > which I allude--running a marathon is not an activity that should be taken > as lightly as going for a half hour run. > > RMc > > At 02:07 PM 11/7/2002 -0600, Mike Prizy wrote: > > >The unfortunate death of the woman at the Marine Corps Marathon being > >attributed to breast feeding > >was of great interest to me. My wife breast feed all three of our sons > >(each over a year) with no > >complications. > > > >La Leche League International just happens to be in the town where I now > >live of Schaumburg, Ill. > >They support vigorous exercise for breast feeding mothers. According to La > >Leche League, most > >American women who are still breast feeding at 10 months are only doing so > >a couple times a day, > >which should not have had a correlation with a sodium imbalance. Also, > >according to the LLLI, breast > >feeding alone does not cause "great physical stresses" on the body. > > > >Here is what the La Leche League provided: > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Mike, > > > >Thanks for calling today, and also for sending information about the > >sad death of the mother in the Marine Corps Marathon. The selected > >bib list on Exercise and Breast feeding Mothers is in the attached > >file. We'd appreciate it if you learn anything concrete on the sodium > >levels having a relationship > >with this death. > > > >Again, after ten months of breast feeding, it is very unlikely that there > >would be any sort of impact on the mother's sodium level or her running > >program, from the > >information we have. > > > >Best wishes, > > > >Center for Breast feeding Information > >La Leche League International > > > > > > > > > >La Leche League International > >CENTER FOR BREASTFEEDING INFORMATION > > > >BREASTFEEDING AND EXERCISE > > > >Selected Bibliography > >March 2001 > > > >Dewey, K.G. et al. A Randomized Study of the Effects of Aerobic Exercise > >by Lactating Women on > >Breast-Milk Volume and Composition. N Engl J Med 1994; 330(7):449-53. > > > >Dewey, K.G. and Lovelady, C. Exercise and Breast-Feeding: A Different > >Experience. Pediatrics 1993; > >91(2):514-15. > > > >Dewey, K.G. and McCrory, M.A. Effects of Dieting and Physical Activity on > >Pregnancy and Lactation. > >Am J Clin Nutr 1994; 59(Suppl):446S-59S. > > > >Dressendorfer, R.H. Physical Training During Pregnancy and Lactation. Phys > >Sportmed 1978; n:74-80. > > > >Drinkwater, B.L. and Chesnut, C.H. Bone Density Changes During Pregnancy > >and Lactation in Active > >Women: A Longitudinal Study. Bone and Mineral 1991; 14:153-60. > > > >Dusdieker, L.B. et al. Is milk production impaired by dieting
Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)
Nick Setta, 5-11/177, Notre Dame kicker might still make for a good candidate for your running pentathlon. I always thought Setta could have potentially been a great decathlete, but I'm not sure if he ever did the PV. But the way he has been kicking this year, he might as well try it. Just read through his stats and look at some of the people he ran against in high school. In high school, he would run XC meets Saturday morning and would then be driven to where his school was playing that day's football game. What could he have done if he concentrated on running? http://und.ocsn.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/setta_nicholas00.html (Part of his football bio at ND) ...hit the crossbar on 72-yard field goal attempt . . . kicked Illinois state record 59-yard field goal as sophomore in '96 vs. Bloom . . . averaged 46.7 yards per punt as junior, with 27 of 64 kickoffs going for touchbacks . . . ...won four letters in both cross country and track and field . . . finished sixth in Illinois state track and field meet in high jump as junior and also ranked as top hurdler . . . four-time team captain and MVP in both cross country and track . . . had bests of 1:53.4 (???) in 800 meters, 3:59 in 1500 meters, and 6-10 in high jump . . . finished 11th in Illinois state cross country meet in '98, fifth in '97 and helped Lockport to Illinois state cross country crowns in '96 and '97 . . .. . http://www.ihsa.org/activity/trb/1998-99/2result2.htm#Event12 800-Meter Run - Ill. H.S. state final 1999 Final Heat 1 Nicholas Setta (Sr.), Lockport (Twp.) 1:52.24 2 Jon Dreher (Sr.), Winnetka (New Trier) 1:52.65 3 Rob Hulick (Jr.), Hinsdale (Central) 1:53.01 4 Eric Duda (Sr.), Carol Stream (Glenbard North) 1:53.73 5 Mike Lewis (Jr.), Cahokia 1:53.78 Ill. H.S. XC State meet 1997 (3M) 1. Lockport (Twp.) - Setta's team 12 14 19 26 63 (125)(135) = 134 2. Elmhurst (York) - Sage's team 2 23 28 32 50 (66)(183) = 135 3. Wheeling - Torres brothers' team 16 31 57 70 (142)(149) = 165 (Record is Craig Virgin - 13:50) 11 Jorge Torres Jr Wheeling 14:15 22 Donald SageSo Elmhurst (York)14:22 3 Adam Wallace Sr Deerfield 14:30 4 Mark Pilja Sr Naperville (North) 14:32 53 Juan OrtegaJr Berwyn-Cicero (Morton) 14:34 64 Jonathan Berning Sr Chicago (Marist) 14:35 75 Nathan Purcell Jr Salem 14:36 86 Ed Torres Jr Wheeling 14:39 97 Arturo Cabarl Sr Bensenville (Fenton) 14:43 108 Onecimo GuerecaSr Chicago (Kennedy) 14:49 11 Robert Breit Sr Skokie (Niles North) 14:49 129 Jason Van Swol Sr New Lenox (Lincoln-Way)14:50 13 10 Chris Siemers Jr Bensenville (Fenton) 14:51 14 11 Mike Seman Sr Hinsdale (Central) 14:51 15 12 Greg Targosz Jr Lockport (Twp.)14:52 16 13 Andy Janssen Jr Naperville (Central) 14:52 17 Joe ZeibertSr Lombard (Glenbard East)14:54 18 Jeremy Borling Sr Orland Park (Sandburg) 14:55 19 14 Nick Setta Jr Lockport (Twp.)14:55 Ill. H.S. XC State meet 1998 (3M) 11 Jorge Torres Sr Wheeling 14:00 22 Donald SageJr Elmhurst (York)14:16 33 Edwardo Torres Sr Wheeling 14:24 4 Chris Siemers Sr Bensenville (Fenton) 14:35 54 Andy Janssen Sr Naperville (Central) 14:38 65 Ryan Teising Jr Naperville (Central) 14:41 76 Mike Cropper Sr Hoffman Estates (Conant) 14:41 8 Brad Bennett Sr Hoffman Estates (H.S.) 14:42 97 Nathan Purcell Sr Salem 14:44 10 Juan OrtegaSr Berwyn-Cicero (Morton) 14:49 118 Nicholas Setta Sr Lockport (Twp.)14:52 "Bloomquist, Bret" wrote: > I'd like to see a running pentathlon: 100, 400, 800, 1,500, 5,000 with a > points table. Or maybe a steeple instead of the 800 or 1,500. > > A few years ago this local high school kid ran a strong leg on a sub-41 > sprint relay and was a pretty good cross country runner (16:40 or so for > 5,000 meters). He wasn't good enough in any one thing to be a collegiate > star, but I always thought there should be something for guys like him. > > > -Original Message- > > From: ghill [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: track list > > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Tr
t-and-f: Illinois boys, girls state
Illinois boys class A and AA XC state results: http://www.ihsa.org/activity/ccb/index.htm Illinois girls class A and AA XC state results: http://www.ihsa.org/activity/ccg/index.htm
Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)
I too think there was a prep sub 1:50 in him. He is a talent. ND has him on the track roster on the web site, but his name is not highlighted. His football page bio gave all his track past. Dave Cameron wrote: > I saw Setta in H.S.; firmly convinced he could have broken 1:50 for > 800 if he concentrated on running. Combining this with his jumping > ability... > > Anyway... is Setta still involved in track? It would be quite a > shame if he isn't and only plays football. > > --- Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick Setta, 5-11/177, Notre Dame kicker might still make for a good > > candidate for your running > > pentathlon. I always thought Setta could have potentially been a > > great decathlete, but I'm not sure > > if he ever did the PV. But the way he has been kicking this year, > > he might as well try it. > > > > Just read through his stats and look at some of the people he ran > > against in high school. > > > > In high school, he would run XC meets Saturday morning and would > > then be driven to where his school > > was playing that day's football game. What could he have done if he > > concentrated on running? > > > > http://und.ocsn.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/setta_nicholas00.html > > > > (Part of his football bio at ND) > > > > ...hit the crossbar on 72-yard field goal attempt . . . kicked > > Illinois state record 59-yard field > > goal as sophomore in '96 vs. Bloom . . . averaged 46.7 yards per > > punt as junior, with 27 of 64 > > kickoffs going for touchbacks . . . > > > > ...won four letters in both cross country and track and field . . . > > finished sixth in Illinois state > > track and field meet in high jump as junior and also ranked as top > > hurdler . . . four-time team > > captain and MVP in both cross country and track . . . had bests of > > 1:53.4 (???) in 800 meters, 3:59 > > in 1500 meters, and 6-10 in high jump . . . finished 11th in > > Illinois state cross country meet in > > '98, fifth in '97 and helped Lockport to Illinois state cross > > country crowns in '96 and '97 . . .. . > > > > > > > > http://www.ihsa.org/activity/trb/1998-99/2result2.htm#Event12 > > > > 800-Meter Run - Ill. H.S. state final 1999 > > > > Final Heat > > > > 1 Nicholas Setta (Sr.), Lockport (Twp.) 1:52.24 > > 2 Jon Dreher (Sr.), Winnetka (New Trier) 1:52.65 > > 3 Rob Hulick (Jr.), Hinsdale (Central) 1:53.01 > > 4 Eric Duda (Sr.), Carol Stream (Glenbard North) 1:53.73 > > 5 Mike Lewis (Jr.), Cahokia 1:53.78 > > > > > > Ill. H.S. XC State meet 1997 (3M) > > > > 1. Lockport (Twp.) - Setta's team > >12 14 19 26 63 (125)(135) = 134 > > 2. Elmhurst (York) - Sage's team > > 2 23 28 32 50 (66)(183) = 135 > > 3. Wheeling - Torres brothers' team > > 16 31 57 70 (142)(149) = 165 > > > > (Record is Craig Virgin - 13:50) > > 11 Jorge Torres Jr Wheeling > > 14:15 > > 22 Donald SageSo Elmhurst (York) > > 14:22 > > 3 Adam Wallace Sr Deerfield > > 14:30 > > 4 Mark Pilja Sr Naperville (North) > > 14:32 > > 53 Juan OrtegaJr Berwyn-Cicero (Morton) > > 14:34 > > 64 Jonathan Berning Sr Chicago (Marist) > > 14:35 > > 75 Nathan Purcell Jr Salem > > 14:36 > > 86 Ed Torres Jr Wheeling > > 14:39 > > 97 Arturo Cabarl Sr Bensenville (Fenton) > > 14:43 > > 108 Onecimo GuerecaSr Chicago (Kennedy) > > 14:49 > > 11 Robert Breit Sr Skokie (Niles North) > > 14:49 > > 129 Jason Van Swol Sr New Lenox (Lincoln-Way) > > 14:50 > > 13 10 Chris Siemers Jr Bensenville (Fenton) > > 14:51 > > 14 11 Mike Seman Sr Hinsdale (Central) > > 14:51 > > 15 12 Greg Targosz Jr Lockport (Twp.) > > 14:52 > > 16 13 Andy Janssen Jr Naperville (Central) > > 14:52 > > 17 Joe ZeibertSr Lombard (Glenbard East) > > 14:54 > > 18 Jeremy Borling Sr Orland Park (Sandburg) > > 14:55 > > 19 14 Nick Setta Jr Lockport (Twp.) > > 14:55 > > > > Ill. H.S. XC State meet 1998 (3M) > > > > 1
Re: t-and-f: Now Blood
We have a lister here whose son was one the DQs. I think they finally got over the Great American fiasco after the son won a Texas state title yesterday. Way to go (the other) Sully! P.S. Move back to Illinois. Ed Grant wrote: > Netters: > > Now Nicole Blood of Saratoga has joined NJ's Lindsay Van Alastine > and the top five or so runners in the Great American boys' race as a victim > of mid-direstion (or lack of direction) in a major CC race this season. And > heaven knows how many others/. > > I do not know the exact circumstances of this latest farce, but I > cannot but believe that it is directly caused by the insane attention to > non-essentials by officials and those who govern them, instead of attention > to the main job of any track official or meet director: to do everything > possible to see that every boy and girl receives a fair chance to compete. > > It is painfully obvious by now that the attitude of those who direct > officials in this country is consumed by such things as: are the boys or > girls wearing prohibited jewely; are all memers of the team wearing exactly > the same uniform (and God forbid that they should wear unmatching > undershirts, are they painting tattoos somewhere on their body, do they > perhaps have jewelry concealed (this is now penalized not only by > disqualification from the event itself, but by a two-meet suspension---equal > to the punishment given a football player for slugging another player.) > > It is the job of every meet director to see that courses are > properly marshalled, by people who know where to direct runners at crucial > points. In NJ last year, a girl lost a county title because the "controlling > authority" in that county refused 1) to hire policemen so that the course > woulc match the one she had run on three days earlier at the state > sectionals and 2) to hire an official who would be placed at the point of > divergence in the two courses. > > Just when is this kind of nonsense going to stop? Do we have to have > the entire rulebook thrown in the ashcan (where it properly belongs) and get > back to the days when we thought of the kids first, not rules which > sometimes change with every new whim of the committee in charge. > > Ed Grant
