Re: t-and-f: Where did the list go?

[wmurphy25]

There was a time when this list was the only game in town--now there 
are plenty of messageboards out there that have drawn away many of the 
folks (including me) that used to post regularly here. You should take 
a look at the messageboards at the following sites:


trackandfieldnews.com (Roger--lots of good pole vault talk)
dyestat.com  not just for preps--they have college and elite 
messageboards
letsrun.com--I'm not a fan, but they have had some good threads, most 
recently a tribute to Bob Kennedy






-Original Message-
From: Tom Derderian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu
Sent: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:41:14 -0500
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Where did the list go?

 I'm listening.
Tom Derderian, but I have no clues.
On Jan 25, 2006, at 8:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Wow,
> I haven't contributed to the list in a long time and now only
 > occasionally peruse the digest version. But I just received the > 
digest
 > version today with posts dating as far back as November. Is this 
list
 > dead or is Roger the only person left living on the list? Could it 
be
 > that the UofOregon change in service put an end to most incoming > 
posts?
 > There used to be some interesting banter on this list. Not that I > 
have
 > much time for it anymore, but at least there was a heartbeat. I > 
know I
 > participate mainly on the racewalk list, but it's hard to believe 
that

> there's very little left here.
> Any clues?
> Allen James


  

Re: t-and-f: Sibling relays???

[wmurphy25]

The only other sibling relay that I'm aware of involved the Dyce 
brothers-Byron(2-time NCAA 800/880 champ), Dennis, Trevor, and ?--they 
ran an indoor 4x400 relay (Meadowlands?).


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:04:19 -0400
Subject: t-and-f: Sibling relays???

  Hello all,
This is a message for people with knowledge of (interest in)
sprinting/relays. I was wondering whether anybody has ever heard
of 'sibling relays'?

In The Netherlands, the AAC Amsterdam club team for the Dutch national
relays championships will consist of four brothers: Randy, Jermain,
Gregory and Valery Sedoc will try and break the (definately
unofficial, maybe non-existent?) family relay record in the 4x100
meters.

There is a very realistic chance for these four to at least break the
41second barrier. Certainly the first three athletes are very
accomplished athletes in their own right:
Randy ('75): LJ 7.72; TJ 15.00 (100/200 m: 10,63-10.55w/21.40-21.38w);
Jermaine ('77): TJ 15.51; LJ 7.50;
Gregory ('79): 110hurdles 13,51; LJ 7.82; 100m 10.75 (rarely ran);
Valery ('82?) is probably just as talented - he plays soccer
professionally in The Netherlands.
Also interesting: in the 70s, father Roy Sedoc was the Dutch record
holder in triple jump (with 16.01m, he is still fourth all time in The
Netherlands).

All replies greatly appreciated,
Regards, Wilmar Kortleever


   

Re: t-and-f: USA/RUS Dual?

[wmurphy25]

Sorry, Martin, you should have quit while you were behind(-:. The 
results do appear to be from today--Mirko's site has Isinbayeva missing 
3x at the WR height of 5.02.

http://www.tilastopaja.net/db/results.php?Season=2005&CID=8926911

-Original Message-
From: Martin J. Dixon  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Sent: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:54:33 -0400
Subject: Re: t-and-f: USA/RUS Dual?

   Check that-sorry-I thought there was a PV today in Berlin-bottom 
line is that those results are from last year-I think. 

 
Martin J. Dixon wrote: 
> My point was that Isin was in Berlin today. 
> > Roger Ruth wrote: 
> >> 
>> On Sunday, September 4, 2005, at 11:37 AM, Martin J. Dixon wrote: 
>> 
>>> Pretty good trick for Isin then 
>>> 
>>> Mike Takaha wrote: 
>>> 
 The meet apparently did take place - results are at 
 http://www.russianchallenge.ru/results.php?lang=1 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 >> Okay, but still very strange. I haven't had time to look through 
the >> other events, but the "USA" team for the women's vault consisted 
of >> their seventh-ranked vaulter (Lindsay Taylor) and a Canadian 
(Dana >> Ellis). The Russians were their number one (Isinbayeva) and 
number two >> (Polnova) 

>> 
> >  
- 
 

   

Re: t-and-f: WCSN coverage of Golden League

[wmurphy25]

Dan,
  I'm sorry you had probelms with the webcast, but you are in the 
distinct minority. Just check out the T&F News messageboard to see how 
people went overboard in their praise of the wcsn coverage during the 
World Championships. Sure, a few people had technical problems early 
on, but once they were resolved, everything went fine.
  If you're willing to give it another chance, I'll personally see to 
it that you get the help you need (I'm doing the previews and recaps 
for the site).  To be honest, it's your loss if you give up on this 
now. You can contact me directly or reply on this list.


Walt Murphy
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Dan Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: track list 
Sent: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:37:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: t-and-f: WCSN coverage of Golden League

   I ordered the WCSN package for the remaining Golden League meets, 
having

skipped the World Championships coverage because:

a) I've been very unimpressed with webcasts in the past

b) my cable connection has been annoyingly slow the past 2-3 weeks

c) the PAX coverage was surprisingly good through most of the week

Comcast seemed to be picking back up the past few days and I was able to
access the WCSN site reasonably quickly, so I figured I'd give it a 
shot.
Well, after ordering, I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to 
log

in and start watching.  The only thing close is the "log in / register"
option, but all that did was take me to another payment page.  Huh?  I
finally swallowed my pride and called support with what I figured had to
be the stupidest question ever, and it turned out they had to do 
something
at their end to get the system to recognize my computer.  Hmph.  Very 
user

friendly.

Thinking things will now flow smoothly, I loaded up the player and 
started

watching the feed, at which point I couldn't possibly have been more
disappointed.  It was completely unwatchable!  First up was the women's
800, and all I could see of the first 200m was them glitching on the
starting line, then frozen at about 50m, all the while the audio was 
still

rolling.  The men's javelin a bit later was better, but still froze
frequently.

To make matters worse, there doesn't appear to be any way to jump around
in the coverage until they archive it, presumably after the meet is 
over.

But by then I would've already seen the results (gotta process them for
Fantasy League scoring) and would resent paying to watch a meet I 
already

know the outcome of.

Also, someone mentioned during the Worlds coverage that you could 
maximize
the window for more TV-like viewing, but I had no such option with 
today's

feed.  It was fixed at that lovely 3"x3" size that a graphing calculator
puts to shame.

So, I called back in a huff and cancelled the service, and I won't be
trying anything of the sort again any time soon.  The service rep (who 
of
course spoke marginal English) offered to troubleshoot the situation, 
but
I was far beyond fed up at that point.  I don't care if the package 
costs

$1 or $100, I won't support anything that unfit for public consumption.
To those of you who have fared better, congratulations and I hope you
enjoy the coverage.  I'll be bad mouthing WCSN every chance I get.

Dan

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Re: t-and-f: What's so good . . . about an event so bad?

[wmurphy25]

The race also serves as the team-oriented World Cup, with the top three 
from each team scoring (total time). Given the nature of the event, 
five entrants increases the chances of a country having at least three 
finishers.


-Original Message-
From: Roger Ruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:21:53 -0700
Subject: t-and-f: What's so good . . . about an event so bad?

   Or, to put it another way: Why should a country be allowed five 
entrants in the marathon, when the maximum for every other event is 
four? 

 
 Seven countries were permitted five entries in the men's marathon. Of 
those, the highest ranked finisher was Japan's third place (also fourth 
place). Of the remaining countries with five entries, the next-highest 
finisher was Kenya's seventh place. Kenya's fifth entry, however, did 
not finish the course. Nor did their fourth-place finisher. I could go 
on (and will), but the very worst example of countries permitted five 
entries was South Africa: none of whose runners finished? 

 
 Why, when it should be a life-long distinction for an athlete to even 
qualify to compete in the world championships, should anyone gain that 
distinction at a lesser level of requirement in the marathon than in 
any other event? Especially, when one looks at the competitive 
accomplishments of those fifth-choice athletes-- 

 
Countries with five entrants and their placings in the WC marathon: 
 
Brazil 10, 33, 39, 41, (49) 
Ethiopia 13, 19, 31, DNF, (DNF) 
Italy 17, 35. DNF, DNF, (DNF) 
Japan 3, 4, 14, 20, (28) 
Kenya 7, 11, 29, DNF, (DNF) 
South Africa DNF, DNF, DNF, DNF, (DNF) 
United States 9, 22, 40, 51, (59) 
 
 Okay, I'll back off and let the old wheezies tell me about what's so 
great about the marathon. But maybe they also can explain why one 
country should be permitted five entrants, when none of the five can 
complete the race. 

 

   

Re: t-and-f: Dumb question on coverage

[wmurphy25]

Go to wcsn.com and start the registration process. You will have access 
to the archive of the coverage of the first two days.

Let me know if you have any problems.

-Original Message-
From: Arthur Snoke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Sent: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:25:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dumb question on coverage

   For those like me who have been slow on the uptake, please send 
(again) how one signs up. 

 

   

Re: t-and-f: Dumb question on coverage

[wmurphy25]

Each day's session (morning and afternoon) is archived approximately 
1-hour after the final event. You can then watch it at anytime. The 
archives will stay up for about 6 months.


-Original Message-
From: Dave Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Sent: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 05:43:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: t-and-f: Dumb question on coverage

  I have a question on being able to watch the coverage.

I haven't signed up with wcsn but I might do so today - depending
on the answer to a question.

I noticed that they tout "live coverage".   This doesn't help me
much, in that I'm at work most of the time that live coverage is
offered.

Is there a way to see it "not live"?


Dave Cameron
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Re: t-and-f: Coverage

[wmurphy25]

Based on how awake I am after working on the PAX shows, I am trying to 
update the daily previews on the WCSN.com website


Walt Murphy

-Original Message-
From: Fanelli, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Wayne T. Armbrust ' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
'[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
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Sent: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:38:00 -0700
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Coverage


While I'd KILL to have the BBC coverage, I'm thinking that the PAX 
folks are
doing a pretty damn good job...not a wasted moment...getting 2 or 3 
hours

coverage in just 1 hour...hell, even my wife can get behind that

MF
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/7/2005 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Coverage

I have no problem getting it with my Mac.  I use Netscape 7.2.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:


As for PAX - thanks, and great job - the "breezing through" should give
us more action and less fluff. As far as keeping up on the seedings, I
am reviewing the web site first (but tough to not sneak a peek at the
results;)



I can't get the webcast on my Mac.







I couldn't ask for much better from the PAX coverage, either.  They

managed to cover most of the day's activities with a no-fluff hour.  The

only thing that threw me off is the British manner of breezing through
the

lane seedings.  I'd find myself not paying attention to what they were

saying, expecting it to be displayed on the screen, only to realize I
had

no idea who was who at the start of the race.



Dan



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Thanks to the people who pointed out the availability of the webcast.

The $4.95 is an incredible bargain that I enjoyed for today's second

round. I appreciated the continuous coverage of events and not having

the drivel that is too often a part of US TV coverage. The SP and

women's 10K were a treat.









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Re: t-and-f: Chris Lukezic Interview

[wmurphy25]

Very timely interview, since Lukezic just ran a personal best of 
3:35.22 in London and got under the World Championship "A" qualifying 
standard of 3:36.20.


-Original Message-
From: Ricky Quintana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Sent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:19:16 +
Subject: t-and-f: Chris Lukezic Interview

  http://www.mensracing.com/athletes/interviews/2005/chrislukezic.html 
 
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Re: t-and-f: World Track and Field Championship Coverage over the Internet

[WMurphy25]

Details for subscribing to the webcast (a nominal fee)  should be available in 
the next couple of days.

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Steve Mullings

[wmurphy25]

And, as far as I can tell, his case has never been fully resolved by 
the IAAF or WADA. I also believe it was the Jamaican Federation that 
held him out of the Athens Olympics because a hearing on his case had 
been postponed. Anyone know the "right" story?

-Original Message-
From: Martin J. Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Sent: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:29:11 -0400
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Steve Mullings
  NCAA has "special" rules apparently. 
 
Winfried Kramer wrote: 
 
 >Jamaican sprinter Steve Mullings competed at the Texas Relays last 
>weekend - surprisingly: at the Jamaica national champions in June 2004 
he >had been disqualified for doping ... 
> 
> 
> > 
 

   

Re: t-and-f: Footlocker NE Results????

[WMurphy25]

Just a quick note---Saratoga Springs qualified 4, yes, 4, runners in the girls 
race!

Re: t-and-f: FW: Combined Pre-NCAA men's results.

[WMurphy25]

Christopher,
  Mike Scott has already compiled the unofficial overall scoring for the women's teams 
at the Pre-Div.I meet:

http://miscott.home.att.net/wxcanal/xc2004/prencaa04.htm

RE: t-and-f: NBC coverage of men's Olympic 10K

[WMurphy25]

"Walt Murphy is a powerful suit at NBC? What good would writing to Walt do? "

I feel like I'm getting no love from malmo these days. I may not be one of the 
powerfiul suits at NBC, but I do know some of them pretty well and I've already passed 
along some of the positive (and negative) comments about the 10k coverage.

Re: t-and-f: NBC coverage of men's Olympic 10K

[WMurphy25]

"I'm sure Walt Murphy would be happy to hear from you at [EMAIL PROTECTED]"

I will pass along all of the compliments to the appropriate people here in Athens (but 
only compliments:-)

Walt--working in the booth here in Athens during the "break" (what break?) between 
sessions...pretty fast running in the first round of the men's 100 this 
morning--yesterday was a record for me--about 18 hours in the stadium--the 2nd heat of 
the women's 5k went off at the stroke of midnight and the women's DT qualifying was 
still going on. But hey, who's complaining?

Re: t-and-f: Mistreatment of Fans at Olympic Trials

[WMurphy25]

"lady's...  lady's...

this used to be a T&F-list...
and i used to find useful information here
is this all the USA t&f has to offer, nowadays?
(hopefully not)"

Rob Veer
The Netherlands

Rob,
  Just having some fun--but I'll do my part by abstaining from posting any additional 
comments on the subject.

Walt Murphy

RE: t-and-f: Mistreatment of Fans at Olympic Trials

[WMurphy25]

âTypical ugly American, attempting to impose your ill-will on others and
 spoil the party.

 Life is not a dress rehearsal, Walt, be in it!â

Malmo,
  Once again you have misread someone elseâs words . It wasn't me sitting behind the 
Greek woman and I never said it was. But I keep forgetting that youâre all-knowing 
and all-witty, so it must have been my poor writing that  led you to think that I was 
the one asking the woman to sit down.

Before I turned âproâ and actualy had to work at meets, I was a fan like everyone 
else, and I was the first to jump up and cheer, especially when Manhattan College was 
a force at the NCAA Indoor meet in the early 1970s. People would cringe and hide their 
children from this raving lunatic who was out of control when the Jaspers were 
involved in a race. But that didnât mean that I couldnât be considerate of those 
around me at other times. As for the security people in Sacramento, there was a time 
when I would have been one of those led out in  handcuffs rather than put up with 
their crap.

No one loves a party more than I do, especially at the Olympics. And I may be ugly, 
but I'm anything but an "Ugly American" and I have never been accused of imposing 
"ill-will" on anyone, except by you. 

I have no desire to engage in a battle of words with you over this, since I yield to 
your superior intellect and writing ability.

I wish you well in your effort to âmalmoizeâ everyone in your image, but Iâll 
take a pass, thank you.

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Mistreatment of Fans at Olympic Trials

[WMurphy25]

At the Opening Ceremony in Athens, there was a young Greek woman who stood up and 
danced EVERY time a new flag-bearer would enter the stadium. When asked by the people 
behind her if she could cut back somewhat on her enthusiasm, she just glared and 
continued doing her thing.

I'm all for spontaneous cheering and standing (I've done it many times over the 
years), but  common sense and courtesy have to come into play at some point

Walt Murphy.

RE: t-and-f: London GP Mile - Results

[WMurphy25]

"No, he did not lead. He just managed to follow the others. Chirchir was
leading with one lap to go.":

According to the BBC, Webb was "leading" (behind the two rabbits) through at least the 
1/2-mile. 

Re: t-and-f: World Record for Isinbayeva--correction

[WMurphy25]

"Sorry, I wrote that Feofanova held the world record. The 4.86i was, in
fact, Isinbayeva's own, set at Budapest on March 6.
Yelena Isinbayeva's 4.87m in winning the Norwich Union GP vault at Gatehead
yesterday betters the official world record held by Svetlana Feofanova
(4.86i) and the world outdoor best (4.83m) set earlier this month by Stacy
Dragila. Also getting mighty close to the sixteen-foot barrier--15'11 1/2".

I realize that some people might use a different conversion formula, but Track and 
Field News' "Big Green Book" lists 4.87 as 15-11 3/4, while Feofanova's previous mark 
of 4.86(i) converts to 15-11 1/4, and 4.88 would bring the record to an even 16-feet.

Walt Murphy

RE: t-and-f: NCAA top ten list

[WMurphy25]

"trackshark.com"

Or you could go directly to the official NCAA link that trackshark uses:
http://members.aol.com/rpodkam/d1mout04.txt
http://members.aol.com/rpodkam/d1wout04.txt

Re: t-and-f: Re: Lane Violations- Sanya Richards

[WMurphy25]

After looking at the tape of the NCAA meet, it appears that Sanya Richards 
should have been disqualified in both the 200 AND the 400. 

Unlike the USATF and IAAF rules, which simply state that an athlete shall be 
disqualifed for stepping on or over the inside line of their lane, the NCAA 
calls for disqualification after two consecutive steps on or over the line.

Richards had at least three "bad" steps in the 200 and at least four in the 
400.

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: U.S. TV Reminder--NCAA Div.I on ESPN2 Today

[WMurphy25]

ESPN2 will show the NCAA Div.I Championships today from 1:30-3:00pm(EST).

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Team USA loaded with gold medal contenders for World Indoors

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 3/6/03 2:12:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< 3,000m:  Jonathon Riley, Terrence Trammell >>

I belive the schedule would allow Trammell to try this new event, in addition 
to running the sprint and hurdles, but the IAAF has rejected his entry since 
he doesn't have a qualifying time.(:-)

(USATF is aware of the error and will be sending out a correction shortly)

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Gail Olson national HS high jump record 7-5

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 3/6/2003 10:09:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, Reuben Frank <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> writes:

>Anybody know at what meet Gail Olson set the national
>indoor HJ mark of 7-5 back in 1978? Thanks
>
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>Anybody know at what meet Gail Olson set the national
>indoor HJ mark of 7-5 back in 1978? Thanks
>
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It was at the "Westwood Age Group" meet in Sterling, IL, on March 11, 1978. It was 
also the first indoor meet for Olson, who played basketball during the winter(From 
Track Newsletter). Olson is now an assistant coach at North Carolina State.

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: NCAA/World Indoor TV

[WMurphy25]

Walt Murphy’s News and Results Service

Looking ahead to next weekend's meets, the World Indoor Championships will be 
shown on ESPN2 on Sunday, March 16, from 2-3pm(EST), and the NCAA Division 
One Championships will also be shown on ESPN2 ("the deuce") on Monday, March 
17, from 1:30-3:00pm(EST).

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Dragila reclaims WR in pole vault and ESPN missed it.

[WMurphy25]

Yes, it would have been nice to have a full show yesterday, but at least ESPN 
 made the effort to get Dragila's record on Sports Center.

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: Ed Grant Recovering

[WMurphy25]

Because of last week's snowstorm, the New Jersey All Group meet was delayed a 
week, causing two key people to miss the meet. One was Willingboro's 7-3 high 
jumper, Mike Morrison, who had previously scheduled one of his college visits 
for this past weekend. The other was Ed Grant, the publisher of New Jersey 
Track and the 
t-and-f list's unofficial historian.

Ed had a better excuse than Morrison, since he underwent quintuple bypass 
surgery on Thursday, a procedure that had been planned since January.  He is 
resting comfortably at home and should be back in action within a month, 
certainly by the Penn Relays in late April. If you'd like to get in touch 
with Ed, you can do so by
e-mail([EMAIL PROTECTED]), phone(973-377-3852) or regular mail(101 Greenwich 
Court, Madison,NJ 07940).

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: For John Lunn--others can delete

[WMurphy25]

Sorry to bother the list with this request.
 
John--Can you can contact me off-list?

Walt Murphy 

Re: t-and-f: USATF Media Advisory: Olympic medalists, world record holders to appear at USA Indoor Championships press conference

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 2/21/03 11:15:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Not so. The women's 1500 was run in the 1999 Championships in Atlanta. 

Suzy Hamilton won in 4:13.96. Not sure if the 1500 was run other years 

in Atlanta, but it may have been. >>

The women also ran 1500-meters in 1997. 

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: The Attack on Women's Sports

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 2/20/2003 3:02:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
.  I've long thought
>that one thing that depressed the numbers, and therefore the quality, was
>the perceived dimunition in opportunity for US athletes when top Africans
>flooded and dominated the college ranks in the late 70's, early 80's.
>
>Now, the best of those 20 year old Kenyans are too busy making money on the
>roadracing and European circuit to bother with wasting their top income
>potential years in college programs.  Which translated to more "success"
>for American runners, as well as more scholarship slots left open, which
>provided encouragement for a generation who are going through their HS
>years with the idea that scholarships and NCAA gold are achievable.
>

Would you believe
   As publisher of X-Country X-Press, I see results on a weekly basis during the fall 
from just about every school that competes in the sport. I started compiling a list of 
international runners competing here and came up with 121 Kenyans (58 at Div.I 
schools). The totals (and this is mostly distance runners) are almost 750 athletes 
representing 70 countries. Granted, not everyone is "taking" scholarships away from 
U.S. high school kids, but international runners are alive and well at U.S. colleges.

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Seneca Lassiter - USATF Investigation Status

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 2/18/2003 5:38:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Chas. L. Shaffer" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Dear Listers,
>
>Seeing Seneca Lassiter on TV at the Tyson Indoor triggered something in my 
>memory.  Didn't USATF announce last year that they were going to 
>investigate the circumstances involving his rabbiting at the World Cup?  I 
>don't recall seeing any final announcement on that.
>

The issue is still being looked at--a decision is due shortly.

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Track in SI this week

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 2/15/03 6:57:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I don't buy SI any more because it's devoted to sports in which I don't 
have an interest - American football, baseball and basketball although 
I suspect I could get interested in baseball if I had the energy.
But what's happened to it's track coverage? Kenny Moore was just about 
the best writer on T&F of his time (and a nice man to boot) and I 
assume he stopped writing once he made a career as a movie star. Did 
they just not replace him? Or was it that whoever took over couldn't 
cut it? >>

>From what I've been told, it was more a policy choice by the editors. I let 
my subscription lapse a few years ago, but received a free 1-year 
subscription for this past year and was pleasantly surprised at the track 
coverage. Certainly not up to past standards, but a definite improvement over 
recent years. And I understand that the new editor actually likes track!

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: I Left My Heart--at the Armory(Collegiate Invitational/Webb)

[WMurphy25]

If you're tired of reading threads about drugs in our sport, then take a few 
minutes to read the ramblings of an old "sprinter"(used in the broadest 
definition of the term) who longs for the good old days. 

I Left My Heart--at the Armory

by Walt Murphy

Don't get me wrong--I love what I do. As a TV consultant, people actually pay 
me to go to track meets. I get to travel, meet all of the great athletes in 
our sport, and generally have a good time.

But there are times when I wish I was just a regular fan again and could go 
to the meet of my choice. I'm in Fayetteville, Arkansas, right now, getting 
ready for Saturday's Golden Spike meet,  which  will be shown on ESPN2 on 
Sunday evening
(8-9pm-EST).

It will be a good meet, with Terrence Trammell once more trying to win the 
sprint-hurdles double over world-class fields and Stacy Dragila trying not 
just to improve her American Record in the pole vault, but to regain the 
World mark that she lost last year.

But the track fan in me wants to be back home in NY, heading to my beloved 
Armory on Friday and Saturday for the Collegiate Invitational, which is 
presented by the NY Road Runners Club. Ah, the Armory, where I ran my first 
race oh so many years (and splinters) ago, and where my love of track was 
nurtured through the glory days of NY high school track in the 1960s.

Not only could this turn out to be the best collegiate meet of the indoor 
season, it will also bring together many of my track buddies, much as the 
Penn Relays does outdoors. Bob Hersh will be there, as will Dave Johnson, the 
Director of the Penn Relays. And Mt SAC director Scott Davis and Bob Bettwy 
are even coming in from  California, for crying out loud, while I'm "stuck" 
here in Fayetteville(not that there's anything wrong with that).  I'll miss 
the action on the track, but I'll also miss the post-meet gatherings at 
Coogan's, the best "watering hole", bar none, on the track circuit. 

Meet director Jack Pfeifer has done a great job in bringing in some of the 
nation's strongest collegiate programs, including the men and women from 
South Carolina, the Texas men's team, LSU, Villanova, Rice, Tennessee, and 
many more. There will also be six high school relays and a handful of "open" 
events.

Knowing that I wouldn't be able to make it to the meet, Jack has "tortured" 
me for weeks with updates on which teams and individuals were coming in. And 
Ian Brooks, who puts together many of the special "elite" races at the 
Armory, did the same this past week when he let me know that Alan Webb would 
be returning to the scene of his 3:59.86 in 2001 to run his first mile as a 
"pro". 

That was the final blow--I was there when Webb made history by becoming the 
first prep to break 4-minutes indoors, and I was in Eugene when he ran 
3:53.43 to break Jim Ryun's 36-year old outdoor prep record. Again, the fan 
in me wants to be there if he does something "special" on Saturday. 

And Webb, who had less than an auspicious outing in his professional debut 
last week (his first race in 8 months) in Gainesville, where he ran 1:52.84 
for 800-meters, said today on a phone hookup with the media that "I'm in 
incredible shape, I'm just not in race shape yet". Still, it sounds like he's 
ready to run fast. (The open mile is scheduled for about 3:40 on Saturday.)

If you can make it to the Armory early on Friday, you can watch the weight 
throw (women-9:30, Men-Noon) and women's shot put(12:30). The rest of the 
program begins at 2:30 and runs until 9:30pm. 
FRIDAY FINALS
For a complete schedule and additional information, go to http://www.armorytrack.com";>http://www.armorytrack.com
5:00 Women's 4x800
5:15  Men's 4x800
6:00  Don Roberts Women's 5000
7:20  Fred Lebow Men's 5000
7:40  High School Boys 4x800
8:00  Women's Distance Medley 
(North  Carolina, w/Shalane Flanagan on the anchor, is scheduled to run, 
although Flanagan said earlier in the week that she may rest for next week's 
ACC Championships)
8:30  High School Girls 4x800
8:50  Men's Distance Medley
9:20  Open Men's 800

Saturday's program runs from 9:30am-6:00pm. Field events begin at 10am and 
the first running final is at 11:10. Tickets are $15.00, $5.00 for students. 
If you want a good seat, you'd better get there early.

Re: t-and-f: Country WR in the HJ?

[WMurphy25]

Sorry--Ritter's mark was on Sep.30.

wm

Re: t-and-f: Country WR in the HJ?

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 2/9/2003 3:54:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mats Åkerlind 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Yesterday, A Lennart Julin posted a somewhat rhetoric question on the
>Swedish T&F website. Did Sweden set a new WR in the category "Best
>combined male and female marks for a country during one day - and one
>meet"?
>
>On Saturday, in Arnstadt, Germany, Sweden had this double:
>
>Stefan Holm 2.36 (World leader) (eq. around 7 ft. 8 4/5 in.)
>
>Kajsa Bergqvist 2.02 (eq. 6 ft. 7 in. + fractions) (New Swedish indoor
>record. Marina Kuptsova won at the same height after jump off)
>
>This sums up at 4.38 (eq 14 ft 4 3/8 in.)
>
>Well. I haven't had the chance to check. What can you guys find? I can
>imagine that perhaps the USA, Russia or Germany might challenge. But on
>the same day and in the same meet?
>
>Mats Åkerlind
>Gävle, Sweden
>
>
There's been at least one better one-meet double by an American duo, but the marks 
were on different days. At the 1988 Olympics in Seoul, Hollis Conway jumped 2.36(7-8 
3/4) to take silver, while Louise Ritter cleared 2.03(6-8) to win the gold.

Walt Murphy 
>

Re: t-and-f: Women PV screw-up at Boston

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 2/4/03 10:53:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< From Frank Litsky's column in today's NY Times:


When Stacy Dragila competes in the women's pole vault in the Millrose Games,

the heights of the bar, as usual, will be predetermined. But if only one

vaulter remains, the officials will be reminded that the predetermined

heights no longer matter. >>

For the record(and I don't usually do this), this was originally reported 
yesterday in my e-mail newsletter, and I'm the one who shared the information 
at yesterday's NY Track Writers lunch. It wasn't my intent to embarrass the 
officials, but I felt it was worth reporting. 

Humbly yours,

Walt Murphy

Here is what I sent out yesterday.

With all that went right with Saturday's adidas Boston Indoor Games--capacity 
crowd, great fields, records, exciting races, and a fine live TV show(in my 
humble opinion)--there was one glaring mistake, one which thankfully didn't 
have major repurcussions..

Height progressions for the high jump and pole vault are pre-set by meet 
officials and are usually geared towards arriving at a height that would 
break a particular record(meet, American or World).

In Boston, the heights for the women's pole vault were establshed at 
4.06(13-3 3/4), 4.21(13-9 3/4), 4.31(14-1 3/4), 4.41(14-5 1/2), and 4.51(14-9 
1/2), with the understanding that Stacy Dragila, assuming she was the only 
one left in the competition, could then have the bar set at whatever height 
she wanted.

Dragila passed at 4.06, then cleared 4.21, 4.31, 4.41, and 4.51 on her first 
jumps. Vanessa Boslak, who had set a French National Record with her 2nd-jump 
clearance of 4.41/14-5 1/2, missed her 3 attempts at 4.51, leaving  Dragila 
alone in the competition.

The bar was then raised to 4.61/15-1 1/2, which was 1cm above Dragila's 
world-leading mark set two weeks ago. Dragila cleared on her 2nd attempt, and 
the bar was raised another 10cm to 4.71/15-5 1/2, 1cm above Dragila's 
American Indoor Record.

Dragila got the new record on her first attempt, shortly after the crowd had 
witnessed Regina Jacobs' world record in the 1500-meters.

Here's where the problem came in. Dragila assumed that the officials would 
then set the bar at 4.76/15-7 1/4, which would be 1cm over Svetlana 
Feofanova's then-world record of 4./75/15-7(Feofanova would raise her record 
to 15-7 1/4 on Sunday).

However, the officials, keeping the same 10cm increments, set the bar at 
4.81/15-9 1/4, which would equal Dragila's "absolute" world record(world 
records can be set indoors or outdoors).

As part of my TV role, I'm always in contact with a "spotter" who keeps a 
chart of the pole vault. When she told me they were raising the bar to 4.81, 
and "15-9" was displayed on the infield, I asked her to check with the 
officials. I was almost screaming into the headset, "It's too high--why 
wouldn't she just go for 4.76?". 
Peter Stubbs, Dragila's agent, sensing something was wrong, ran onto the 
infield to question the officials. 

By then, Dragila, apparently not realizing how high the bar was set, was p
reparing for her first attempt. The decision was made not to interrupt her, 
and she missed on her one attempt at 4.81. Meet officials, realizing it was 
their error, lowered the bar to 4.76 and allowed Dragila to take three jumps, 
none of which were really close. 

Dragila's failure to clear 4.76 helped avoid a potentially controversial 
situation, since it wasn't immediately clear if she would have gotten credit 
for a record if she had cleared on her final attempt after having three 
consecutive misses(1-4.81, 2-4.76).

Dragila, who won a $10,000 bonus for her American Record, and her coach, Dave 
Nielsen, weren't too upset with what happened, since they are both confident 
that higher clearances will be forthcoming as the season progresses.

Re: t-and-f: New WPV Records

[WMurphy25]

>Since four national records in the event already have been disallowed
>because the standards had not been modified to the new rule of a maximum
>55mm of peg length, it should be of interest that Vault'n'Gus posted a note
>on the VaultCanada mailing list, saying that he had personally observed the
>Boston officials cutting the pegs at that meet to the new standard. It
>would seem, then, that Stacy's new national record should be accepted. So,
>too, should that of the second-place finisher, Vanessa Boslak of FRA, at
>4.41m.

I received an e-mail from Roger Ruth last week, asking me to remind the Boston 
officials about the new IAAF "peg" rule. I passed along his message to the meet 
directors, who obviously took care of the situation. When I told Dragila about this at 
the post-meet party in Boston, she told me to offer a big "Thank You" to Roger.

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: Saturday's adidas Boston Indoor Games

[WMurphy25]

Walt Murphy?s News and Results Service

The adidas Boston Indoor Games, the first stop on USATF's Golden Spike Tour,
will take place on Saturday at Reggie Lewis Center (5pm-7:40pm). The meet
will be broadcast live on ESPN2 from 6-7pm(EST).

The Reggie Lewis Center only seats about 3,000 people, so if you're thinking
of going you should call 617-536-7030 for tickets. With all the headliners,
plus local heroes like Jonathon Riley and Shalane Flanagan running, the meet
should be  a sellout.

TIME SCHEDULE
Master's Mile   5:00 PM
Women's 3000 Meter Run  5:10 PM Women's Pole Vault  5:30 PM
BAA Kid's Relay 5:25PM
College Men's DMR   5:35PM
Opening Ceremony5:48PM  

BEGINNING OF TV COVERAGE
Women's 60 Meter Hurdles6:01PM
Men's 800 Meter Run 6:12 PM
Women's 60 Meter Dash   6:18 PM
Men's 200 Meter Run 6:25PM
Men's 60 Meter Dash 6:32 AM
Women's 1500 Meter Run  6:39 PM
Men's 1500 Meter Run6:50 PM
END OV TV COVERAGE

Boy's High School Mile  7:02 PM
Women's 400 Meter Run   7:10 PM
Girl's High School Mile 7:20 PM
Women's 800 Meter Run   7:30 PM
Men's 3000 Meter Run7:40 PM

As you can see, some events won't make the broadcast.  At the time the
schedule was being put together, the women's 3000 (which may make the show in
highlight form) seemed a more attractive event than the men's 3000, which had
a late addition in Noah Ngeny, the 2000 Olympic 1500-meter champion.

The men's 1500 is loaded, headed by the likes of Bernard Lagat, David
Krummenacker and Laban Rotich (3rd fastest indoor performer in
history--3:32.11)

Video highlights of today's press conference, which featured Olympic gold
medalists Maurice Greene and Stacy Dragila, can be seen at 
http://www.globalathletics.com

Walt Murphy

LATEST START LIST
Subject to change)

MEN'S 60 METER DASH
Maurice Greene  USA
Jon DrummondUSA
Aziz Zakari GHA
Marcus Brunson  USA
Shawn Crawford  USA
Kaaron ConwrightUSA
Joshua Johnson  USA
Tim Harden  USA

MEN'S 200 METER DASH
Godfrey Herring USA
Dwight Thomas   JAM
Melvin Lister   USA
John Capel  USA
Darvis Patton   USA
Stanley Egbor   NGR

MEN'S 800 METER RUN 
Derrick PetersonUSA
Bryan Woodward  USA
Otukile Lekote  BOT
Neil Speaight   GBR
Jean DestineHAI
Daniel CaulfieldIRE
Lubert LewisUSA
Trinity GrayUSA
Eliott Blount   USA


MEN'S 1500 METER RUN
Bernard Lagat   KEN
David Krummenacker  USA
Kevin Sullivan  CAN
Ibrahim AdenUSA
Laban RotichKEN
Bryan Berryhill USA
Jason Lunn  USA
Berhanu Alemu   ETH
Abdelkader Hachlaf  MAR
Michael Stember USA
Fidele Baregensabe  BUR
Markos Geneti   ETH
James KaranuKEN
Daniel Zegeye   ETH


MEN'S 3000 METER RUN
Paul Bitok  KEN
Noah Ngeny  KEN
Dan Wilson  USA
Jonathon Riley  USA
Martin KeinoKEN
Michael AishNZL
Robert Whalley  GBR
Clint Wells USA
Dan Lincoln USA
Luke Watson USA
Alistair Cragg  IRE
Berhanu Adane   ETH
Daniel Zegeye   ETH
Irba Lakhal FRA
Silverus Kimeli KEN
Sammy Mutai KEN


COLLEGE DMR 
Arkansas
Michigan
Kentucky
Univ. of Arizona
Providence
Dartmouth
BC
Villanova

WOMEN'S 60 METER DASH   
Chryste Gaines  USA
Aleen BaileyJAM
Myriam Mani CMR
Angela Williams USA
Kim Carson  USA
Torri Edwards   USA
Inger MillerUSA
Savatheda Fynes BAH



WOMEN'S 400 METER RUN   
Tonique WilliamsBAH
Me'Lisa Barber  USA
Monique HennaganUSA
Tasha Downing   USA
Lashinda Demus  USA
Demetria Washington USA


WOMEN'S 800 METER RUN   
Hazel Clark USA
Brigita Langerholc  SLO
Sasha Spencer   USA
Melissa DeLeon  TRI
Alice Schmidt   USA
Sandra Moya P.R.
Chante Earl USA
Yasheka Taylor  USA


WOMEN'S 1500 METER RUN  
Meskerem LegesseETH
Regina Jacobs   USA
Geraldine HendrickenIRE
Lyudmila Vasilyeva  RUS
Birhane HirpasseETH
Sarah Hann  USA
Elena Iagar ROM
Collette Liss   USA
Jenelle Deatherage  USA
Heather Sagan   USA
Svetlana Bandrakova RUS

WOMEN'S 3000 METER RUN  
Amy Rudolph USA
Blake Russell   USA
Tirunesh Dibaba ETH
Meseret Defar   ETH
Kathy ButlerGBR
Sentayehu Ejigu ETH
Katie McGregor  USA
Sinead Delahunty-Evans  IRE
Shalane FlanaganUSA
Korene HindsJAM
Rachel Sauder   USA
Sarah Dupre-Healy   CAN
Carmen DoumaCAN
Alfheim, Siri   NOR
Hoge, Beth  USA
Tracy Robertson CAN



WOMEN'S 60 METER HURDLES
Melissa MorrisonUSA
Dionne Rose-Henley  JAM
Jenny Adams USA
Vonette Dixon   JAM
Tiffany RossUSA
Damu Cherry USA
Cecile Michot   FRA
Kim Carson

WOMEN'S POLE VAULT  
Stacy Dragila   USA
Melissa Mueller USA
Andrea Wildrick USA
Mary Sauer  USA
Kellie Suttle   USA
Jill Schwartz   USA
Vanessa Boslak  FRA

Re: t-and-f: Brumel's Obit

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 1/28/2003 8:24:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bill Allen 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 There is a fine obituary of Brumel by Frank Litsky in today's New York Times. Pity he 
didn't know of Brumel's competing as a master.
Bill Allen>
 
There is no better "obit" writer than Frank Litsky, especially when it comes to 
dealing with track and field-related deaths. Litsky, who shared some personal memories 
of Brumel at yesterday's NY Track Writers lunch(he's the president of the group), knew 
of Brumel's foray into the masters ranks, but chose to concentrate on his elite career 
in the obituary.

In Litsky's obit, he refers to Brumel kicking a basketball rim. There's a great 
picture of him doing that in the February, 1961, issue of Track and Field News(Page 
15).


Walt Murphy

t-and-f: Ken Doherty Memorial Fellowship 2003

[WMurphy25]

 (From Louise Tricard)

  Ken Doherty Memorial Fellowship 2003 
National Track & Field Research Collection, Amateur Athletic Foundation 
of Los Angeles 
The National Track & Field Research Collection is this country's most 
extensive, publicly accessible 
collection devoted to all aspects of track and field: historical, current, 
competitive, biographical, 
organizational, coaching, training; in books, journals, programs, archives, 
and films. It is housed at the 
Amateur Athletic Foundation Sports Library in Los Angeles. 
The Ken Doherty Memorial Fellowship is meant to provide researchers with the 
time and resources to 
pursue the serious study of track and field, and to honor the man after whom 
it is named. The fellowship 
was established to encourage and promote research and publication in the 
general area of track and field, 
with emphasis on and preference given to projects that address philosophical, 
social and historical, or 
psychological issues. 
The fellowship is named for the late Dr. J. Kenneth Doherty - decathlon 
champion, coach, meet director and 
writer. Ken Doherty was a major contributor to this collection. Throughout 
his professional life, Dr. 
Doherty communicated his concerns about the role of track and field in our 
educational system, questions 
about the spirit of competition, and other individual, sociological, and 
psychological aspects of the sport,. 
Ken Doherty Fellows 
1991: Frank Zarnowski, A socio-biographical study of certain decathletes 
1992: Louise Mead Tricard, The history of American women's track & field 
1993: James O. Dunaway, The USA-USSR dual track meets, 1958-1985: a history 
1994: Don Potts, A hundred centuries (famous 100 m and y races) 
1995: Hal Higdon, The top ten Olympic distance champions and how they trained 
1996: John Manners, Kenya's "Running Tribe," the Kalenjin 
1997: Jeff Hollobaugh, A comprehensive history of the NCAA Indoor 
Championships 
1998: Alan Katchen, "The Hebrew Runner": Abel Kiviat and his world 
1999: Steven Padilla, Mental training for the competitive distance runner. 
2000: Joan Nesbit, Distant Heroes: An Athlete's Search for a Graceful Exit 
THE AWARD 
The award is intended to defray the fellow's travel costs to and from Los 
Angeles to use the National Track 
& Field Research Collection, plus meals, lodging and transportation costs in 
Los Angeles. These costs shall 
be determined prior to the fellow's visit to the National Track & Field 
Research Collection solely by USA 
Track & Field, and shall not exceed $3,000 (US). 
The fellow will be provided workspace at the Amateur Athletic Foundation 
Sports Library; reference 
assistance; full use of the National Track & Field Research Collection and 
related library collections; plus 
computer, Internet, commercial database and photocopier access. 
Fellows are expected to publish their research and submit a copy to the 
National Track and Field 
Collection, and may be asked to give a public presentation. 
APPLICATIONS FOR 2003 
Mail or e-mail research proposal of three pages or less, emphasis on subject 
rather than method, and 
curriculum vitae to: Wayne Wilson; Vice President, Research; Amateur Athletic 
Foundation; 2141 W. 
Adams Blvd.; Los Angeles, CA 90018. Tel. (323) 730-4640. Fax: (323) 730-0546. 
Email: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
The Fellowship Selection Committee of the National & Field Library Advisory 
Board will select the 
fellowship recipient. 
Application deadline. Firm: Postmarked or e-mailed by March 15, 2003. 
Award announcement by May 1, 2003. 

t-and-f: Official Results Books-1996 Olympics(non-track)

[WMurphy25]

If anyone's interested, they can have the following Official Results books 
from the 1996 Olympics for the cost of postage. Otherwise, they're hitting 
the recycling center next week.

Boxing
Diving
Handball
Judo
Rowing
Water Polo
Yachting

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: NCAA XC TV coverage

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 1/10/03 12:44:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< When was this on?  I _thought_ I read that it was on this past Wednesday 
evening, but couldn't find it? >>

This is the latest schedule for rebroadcasts from the NCAA. These times and 
dates are subject to change, so make sure you check your local listings at www.tvguide.com

Walt Murphy
X-Country X-Press

1-12-03 Fox Sports Northwest3 PM

Comcast Sports Net (DC) 5 PM

1-13-03 Fox Sports West 2   8 PM

1-14-03 Fox Sports Pittsburgh   11 AM
Fox Sports South

1-14-03 Fox Sports Midwest  NOON
Fox Sports Wisconsin
Fox Sports North
Fox Sports Southwest

1-14-03 Fox Sports Rocky Mountain   1 PM
Fox Sports Arizona

1-14-03 Fox Sports Bay Area 2 PM
Fox Sports West 
Fox Sports Detroit

1-14-03 Fox Sports Northwest5 PM

1-15-03 Fox  Sports West6 AM

1-15-03 Fox Sports Rocky Mountain   5 PM

1-16-03 Comcast Sports Net (DC) 2 PM

1-22-03 Comcast Sports Net (DC) 4 AM

1-26-03 Fox Sports Bay Area 6 PM

1-29-03 Fox Sports Midwest (KS & NE)3 PM
Fox Sports Ohio

1-29-03 Fox  Sports Midwest 4 PM

1-29-03 Fox Sports West 6 PM

1-31-03 Fox Sports Chicago  3 PM

t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs-Updated List

[WMurphy25]

Walt Murphy’s News and Results Service

Updates are coming in hot and heavy, so I thought I'd get out this latest 
list.

Thanks to all of you who responded so quickly. Some programs (e.g., San Jose 
State, Oregon State) were dropped a long time ago, before the current Title 
IX-related frenzy. I'll leave it to others to determine what effect Title IX 
had on the decisions that led to the more recent changes at these schools.

Walt Murphy

Austin Peay (kept x-country)
Bowling Green (kept x-country)
Bradley (kept x-country)
Cal-State Los Angeles (dropped x-country)
Canisius (will drop both track programs after 2003 season)
Cincinnati (dropped indoor)
Georgia State  (kept x-country)
Hawaii
Jacksonville (kept x-country)
Lincoln University(Div.II)
Massachusetts-Amherst (dropped indoor)
Miami/Ohio (dropped indoor)
Mississippi State (dropped x-country, may bring it back)
Nebraska-Omaha(Div.II)
Nevada-Las Vegas
Nevada-Reno
New Mexico State (kept x-country)
Northern Colorado (dropped x-country, moving from Div.II to Div.I)
Northern Illinois
Northwestern
Old Dominion  (dropped both programs)
Oregon State
Pacific (kept women’s x-country only)
San Diego State
San Jose State
South Carolina (dropped x-country)
Southern California (dropped x-country)
St.John's (will drop program after 2003 season)
Tennessee-Martin(kept x-country)
Tulane  (kept x-country)
Vanderbilt (kept x-country)
Vermont
Wisconsin-Green Bay (kept x-country, dropped both track programs)

t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???

[WMurphy25]

In light of the recent announcement that St.John's(NY) is dropping its men's 
programs after this school year, I'm trying to compile a list of schools that 
no longer sponsor men's track/X-Country(or will soon drop the program). I'm 
aware of the following off the top of my head--any others?

Bowling Green
Georgia State  (X-Country only)
Nevada-Las Vegas
Northern Illinois
Northwestern
St.John's
Vermont

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: NCAA XC on TV?

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 1/5/03 10:52:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Is this race ever going to be shown on TV?!! >>

In the shameless plug category, subscribers to X-Country X-Press have known 
for awhile that the first airing of the NCAA Div.I X-Country Championships 
will be on Fox Sports on Wednesday, Jan.8. There is some confusion as to the 
correct dates of other re-broadcasts--I'm waiting to get a clarification from 
the NCAA.

Walt Murphy
X-Country X-Press

NCAA Div.I X-Country Championships (1-hour show)
Wed.1/8 3 PMFox Sports Net, Fox Sports New England, Fox Sports 
Florida, Fox Sports Detroit, Fox Sports Pittsburgh, Fox Sports South, Fox 
Sports Ohio 
Wed.1/8 5 PMFox Sports Arizona, Fox Sports Rocky Mountain   
Wed.1/8 6 PMFox Sports Northwest, Fox Sports West, Fox Sports Bay 
Area
Thurs.  1/9 1 PMFox Sports Ohio 
Thurs.  1/9 4 PMFox Sports Midwest (non-Pacers), Fox Sports Chicago

Re: t-and-f: Beamonesque reactions

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 1/4/2003 5:44:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, Robert Hersh 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I could be wrong, but I don't think the Little Red Book existed back then,
>because I remember that the conversion table that I was using was
>event-specific, and the long jump table stopped at something like 28 feet. 
>I recall sitting there in the stadium, finding that the table was
>inadequate, and then thinking "OK, I'll go into the shot put table, look up
>17.80 (2 x 8.90) and then divide that by two."  So I did that, got 58-4
>3/4, divided by two to get 29-2+, and immediately concluded that in my
>haste, I had made a mistake in my arithmetic.  My reasoning was the same
>reason as Walter's -- that couldn't possibly right.  "
>Bob H

Bob's memory is better than mine (Garry Hill thinks it was the "Ugly Brown Book" that 
was in use at the time), but we agree on the reluctance of those of us who were 
converting 8.90 to believe we had the right answer.

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: Re: 1968 L.A. Trials 1500

[WMurphy25]

Keith Whitman wanted to know the results of the 1968 L.A. Trials 1500:

1.Dave Patrick 3:43.6
2.Sam Bair 3:43.7
3.Marty Liquori 3:44.2
4.Dave Wilborn 3:44.5
5.Jerry Richey 3:44.6
8.Tom Von Ruden 3:45.4
(Jim Ryun didn't run)

This  race has always held a special place in my heart, since I won the 
time-prediction contest that Track and Field News sponsored at the time. The 
prize--nothing less than an all-expenses trip to the Mexico City Olympics. 
Since I had already signed up for the T&FN tour, I brought my brother along 
and we had a great time. I met Patrick many years later and told him that at 
least someone benefitted from his win in L.A. He laughed, but I'm sure it 
still hurts to think of what could have been.

As for the Tahoe race, I just had all of my 8mm film transferred to VHS, and 
I actually have the finish stretch where Patrick throws his arms up in 
frustration when he realized his Olympic dream was over.

It was fun looking at the Tahoe/Echo Summit footage, which I hadn't viewed 
for 30 years. Some of it is typical home-movie quality, but there are some 
great shots of the track, which was carved out of a mountian top. There were 
more trees and boulders on the infield than I remembered, making for one of 
the most unique settings ever for a track meet, let alone an Olympic Trials.

I was also pleasantly surprised to discover that I have relatively decent 
footage of Bob Beamon's record jump in Mexico, complete with officials 
bringing the traditional tape measure when they discovered that the optical 
device wasn't set up to handle a 
29-2 1/2(8.90) jump. I still remember looking in my "Little Red Book" to see 
what 8.90 converted to and being afraid to say to those around me "29-2 1/2", 
since that couldn't possibly be right!

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 1/3/2003 5:23:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Did David Patrick ever qualify for an Olympic Team?


David Patrick the 400-hurdler finished 8th at the 1992 Games in Barcelona

Dave Patrick the 1500 man from Villanova got screwed in 1968 after thinking he had 
secured a berth on the U.S. team after winning the "first" Trials race in L.A. The 
selection "rules" were changed before the second set of Trials were held in Lake 
Tahoe, where a frustrated Patrick finished a non-qualifying 4th behind Jim Ryun, a 
young Marty Liquori, and Tom Von Ruden. Patrick had beaten Ryun in the 1/2-mile(and 
set a world record) at the 1967 NCAA Indoor Championships.

Walt Murphy

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 1/3/2003 5:01:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, Valerie 
Manning<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Hello all,
>
>This is not a test or competition, I am just curious...
>
>Who do you think is the best American track and field athlete to compete in
>the trials, but never make an Olympic Team?  
>
>Maybe even break it down by sector (thrower, jumper, middle distance, Long
>distance, sprinter, hurdler, male, female)
>

Steve Williams was ranked #1 in the world in the 100 in 1973 and 1975(#2 in 1974), but 
was hurt at the 1976 Trials and didn't make it out of the 2nd round.

In 1960, Charlie Tidwell (Kansas) won the NCAA 100 and 200 and equalled the 100 record 
0f 10.1 3 weeks prior to the Trials, but pulled up in the final of the Trials 100.

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: Update on Bev Kearney

[WMurphy25]

Bev Kearney will be flown to Austin later this week to start her rehab 
process. I will pass along the address of the facility when it becomes 
available, but you can send cards/notes right now to:

Bev Kearney
Women's Track and Field Coach
University of Texas Athletics
PO Box 7399
Austin, TX 78713-7399

The University has asked that people refrain from sending flowers or other 
such gifts. If you want to send an e-mail message to Bev, go to http://www.texassports.com";>http://www.texassports.com and click on 
the appropriate link. You can also check the site for the latest information 
concerning Bev and funeral arrangements for Ilrey Sparks, the UT academic 
counselor, who, along with Muriel Wallace, the mother of world-class hurdler 
Michelle Freeman, perished in last week's auto accident.

Re: t-and-f: Frank Shorter disses George Frenn

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 12/4/02 8:10:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I used to write SI protesting their more recent pathetic coverage of track

but have given up.  >>

They actually did a pretty good job this year(new editor-he likes track)--not 
up to past standards, but far better than they've been in recent years.

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: NCAA XC TV

[WMurphy25]

Walt Murphy’s News and Results Service
X-Country X-Press

The first airing of the NCAA Div.I X-Country Championships will be January 8 
at 3pm(EST) on Fox Sports Net. There will be multiple showings during 
January, but those details aren't available yet. (Runners World Online is 
listing Dec.5, but I'm pretty sure that's incorrect)

t-and-f: T&F News's Rankings-Krummenacker

[WMurphy25]

Walt Murphy’s News and Results Service

Couple of notes on Track and Field News's Rankings for the 2002 season.

David Krummenacker is the first man to be ranked #1 in the U.S. in the 800 
and 1500 since Rick Wohlhuter sat at the top of both events in 1976. 
Wohlhuter was also #1 in both in 1974. The only other same-year doubler was 
Jim Ryun (1966), while Dave Wottle was #1 in the 800 in 1972, #1 in the 1500 
in 1973. Krummenacker's #3-World Ranking in the 800 is the best by an 
American since 1994, when Mark Everett was also picked #3.
  It's pointed out that Benjamin Limo's  3000 world leader of 7:34.72 is the 
slowest since 1990, but Leonard Byrd's 44.45 is the slowest 400 leader since 
1985, when Michael Franks led the world with 44.47. (Where have you gone, 
Michael Johnson?)

For those of you who haven't seen the magazine yet(or worse yet, don't 
subscribe), Paula Radcliffe and Hicham El Guerrouj(edging Khalid Khannouchi) 
are the choices for Athletes of the Year.

Free plug for the magazine--a complete history of their Rankings, which began 
in 1947, can be found at http://www.trackanfieldnews.com";>
http://www.trackanfieldnews.com

t-and-f: Kim Gallagher

[WMurphy25]

Walt Murphy’s News and Results Service


38-year old Kim Gallagher, the 2-time Olympic medalist in the 800-meters, 
died of a stroke Monday afternoon. Her brother Bart, her biggest fan and 
sometime coach, was only 37 when he passed away not too long ago.

Funeral services will be held at 11 a.m. Saturday at St. Malachy's Roman 
Catholic Church, 1429 N. 11th St, Philadelphia.

Donations can be sent to the Jessica Smith Trust Fund, 1037 N. 67th St., 
Philadelphia 19151. (Jessica Smith is Kim's 13-year old daughter)

For Ron Reid's story in today's Philadelphia Inquirer, go to:
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/4559369.htm";>
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/4559369.htm

Re: t-and-f: Kangogo

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 11/18/02 2:44:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< 28. Kip Kangogo (BYU) - 30:55.


Injured? Fell? Ran off course?


What happened?? >>

In the shameless plug category, subscribers to X-Country X-Press knew that 
Kangogo stayed with Jorge Torres for half the race before the strained 
hamstring forced him to back off.

FROM BYU's SID
"Kip Kangogo, BYU's top runner, came into the race with a hamstring strain 
and was not able to defend his unbeaten record, but BYU's other runners 
stepped up to the challenge. "Kip started off strong, but half way through 
the race his leg started bothering him and he had to let off," Eyestone said. 
"It would have been easy for him to throw in the towel, but he gutted it out. 
It really shows the team aspect of cross country." 


Walt Murphy

t-and-f: Int'l Runners at U.S. Schools

[WMurphy25]

Walt Murphy’s News and Results Service
X-Country X-Press
(c) Copyright 2002-all rights reserved. May not be reprinted or retransmitted 
without permission.

International athletes have long been a part of the U.S. collegiate scene, 
but I don't believe there have been as many, from so many different 
countries, as are currently enrolled at American schools. This initial list, 
which includes only runners who are on x-country rosters, has 443 athletes 
from 56 countries. Please send any additions/corrections as soon as possible. 
I plan to publish updated lists (sorted by school, division, country, name, 
and male/female) in next week's issue of X-Country 
X-Press.

Walt Murphy

School-name-country-division(NCAA Div.1-3, NAIA, Junior College)-year of xc 
eligibility(02-senior,etc)

Leading Countries
Canada  102
Kenya   100
England 35

Abilene Christian   Justine NahimanaBurundi 2   02
Abilene Christian   Bernard Manirakiza  Burundi 2   04
Abilene Christian   Jean-Marie  Ndukimana   Burundi 2   03
Abilene Christian   Alfred  Rugema  Burundi 2   02
Abilene Christian   ArthemonSindayigaya Burundi 2   03
Abilene Christian   JohnKemboi  Kenya   2   02
Abilene Christian   Martin  O’Kello Uganda  2   05?
Akron   Adriana Zalucka Poland  1   04
Alabama Peter   Etoot   Kenya   1   05
Alabama David   Kimani  Kenya   1   02
Alabama Peter   Kiprono Kenya   1   02
Alabama JohnMwangi  Kenya   1   05
Alabama St  Francis Korir   Kenya   1   04
ArkansasKateChettle Australia   1   05
ArkansasErica   Sigmont Australia   1   05
ArkansasLaura   KerrCanada  1   05
ArkansasLilli   Kleinmann   Germany 1   02
ArkansasAndreinaByrdGermany 1   02
ArkansasWes Alkin   Canada  1   03
ArkansasChris   MulvaneyEngland 1   03
ArkansasAlistairCragg   Ireland 1   03
ArkansasSilverusKimeli  Kenya   1   03
ArkansasSaidAhmed   Somalia 1   04
Arkansas Tech   Siobahn Lenihan Ireland 2   03
Arkansas-Little RockPetra   ForsbergSweden  1   02
Arkansas-Little RockTherese ForsbergSweden  1   04
Arkansas-Little RockLiselotte   Noren   Sweden  1   05
Arkansas-Little RockBrent   Corbitt Canada  1   02
Arkansas-Little RockCalam   NeffCanada  1   05
Arkansas-Little RockIstvan  MeszarosHungary 1   02
Arkansas-Little RockAndrey  Shokur  Ukraine 1   03
Arkansas-Little RockDimitry Shokur  Ukraine 1   03
Auburn  Catherine   WanyoikeKenya   1   03
Barton County   Kareen  Gayle   Jamaica JUCO04 
Barton County   Aneita  Denton  Jamaica JUCO04 
Barton County   Presley CherubinBarbadosJUCO04
Belmont William Kemey   Kenya   1   02
Belmont Elvis   Mutai   Kenya   1   03
Berea   Izabela Luckiewicz  Poland  NAIA04
Berea   Joseph  Kimeu   Kenya   NAIA04 
Boston U.   Leticia Makin   Australia   1   04
Boston U.   Bolpar  VinhCanada  1   02
Boston U.   DinaMijuskovic  Croatia 1   04
Boston U.   Charlotte   Coffey  England 1   02
Boston U.   Julia   Nazzer  New Zealand 1   04
Boston U.   Jochen  Dieckfoss   Germany 1   02
Butler  Kelly   Moring  Australia   1   02
Butler  Amber   Gascoigne   England 1   02
Butler  Rebecca LyneEngland 1   03
Butler  Lauren  BrentanoSouth Africa1   03
Butler  Martin  Fedmowski   Australia   1   02
Butler  MarkTucker  Australia   1   02
Butler  Lennon  Wicks   Australia   1   02
Butler  GaryBlackmanEngland 1   03
Butler  Nathan  Dosanjh England 1   02
Butler  Steve   Vernon  England 1   03
Butler County   MaryKinyanjui   Kenya   JUCO04
Butler County   Simon   Ngata   Kenya   JUCO04
BYU MichaelaManova  Czech Republic  1   03
BYU Kip Kangogo Kenya   1   04
CampbellTaraDresslerCanada  1   05
CampbellHeather Lee Canada  1   02
CampbellJen Oreck   Canada  1   05
CampbellJillStapleton   Canada  1   05
Central Arizona Fanice  Chepkorir   Kenya   JUCO04
Central Arizona Linah   Tallam  Kenya   JUCO05
Central Arizona Jonah   Maiyo   Kenya   JUCO04
Central Arizona Meshack YegoKenya   JUCO05
Central Methodist   Evelina Slatinska   BulgariaNAIA05
Central Methodist   Lyubomira   Stoyanova   BulgariaNAIA05
Central Methodist   KrisCulmer  Bahamas NAIA05
Central Methodist   James   Kamau   Kenya   NAIA05
Central Methodist   Peter   Mburu   Kenya   NAIA04
Central Methodist   William Ngetich Kenya   NAIA05
Central Methodist   AlexKangetheKenya   NAIA04
Central Methodist   Sammy   Njeri   Kenya   NAIA05
Central Methodist   MattBoitKenya   NAIA05
Cincinnati  Jocelyn Gibson  Canada  1   05
Clayton State   AdilBerkhedle   Canada  2   04
Clayton State   Njoroge NgaruiyaKenya   2   05
Cloud CountyCoralee Roberts Bahamas JUCO05
Cloud CountyMarcRodrigues   South AfricaJUCO05
Cloud CountyJuddah  Tallam  Kenya   JUCO05
Coastal CarolinaAnne Marie  Moutsinga   Romania 1   05
Coastal CarolinaTerah   K

t-and-f: Weekend XC Schedule(U.S.)

[WMurphy25]

Drop me a private line if you want a comprehensive schedule, complete with 
links, for this weekend's x-country schedule(lots of conference meets, H.S. 
state meets). (It's too long to post to the list).

Please indicate if you want to be added to my results list for the weekend 
(be prepared for LOTS of messages).

Good luck to all who are participating this weekend. I'd be interested in 
receiving first-hand observations from anyone attending or  competing in any 
of this weekend's meets.

Walt Murphy
X-Country X-Press

Re: t-and-f: Make it stop

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 10/25/02 7:39:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< No offense to Monti and RRW but the IAAF really shouldn't propagate this
kind of NYRRC/RW nonsense.  >>

What nonsense? What's wrong with a harmless PR release concerning one of the 
sport's legends? 

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: NYC coverage

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 10/23/02 2:12:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< As most of you probably already know, it appears the only NYC 
Marathon TV coverage will be a pared-down, one-hour "highlights" show 
after the event, that afternoon on NBC. >>

The NBC affilliate in New York (WNBC) will have coverage from 10am-4pm.

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Virus?

[WMurphy25]

"I have just received my 3rd blank message in the last hour from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I the only one. Sorry to trouble the
list if I am."

You're not alone

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Bob Hayes's 8.6 (LONG)

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 9/29/02 4:29:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Yup my copy of the film is in my attic. Where's yours? >>


In a message dated 9/29/02 4:29:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Yup my copy of the film is in my attic. Where's yours? >>

My 8mm copy is actually sitting on my floor, waiting for me to get off my 
butt and get it converted to VHS. I doubt that the quality is good enough to 
time Hayes' split, but I'll let you know what I find. (I'm assuming I filmed 
the race, but I haven't looked at what I have in years)

By the way, I believe the SI article gave credit to Track and Field News (not 
SI's writer) for coming up with two splits of 8.6 and 8.8 for Hayes.

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: SI/Track and Field News

[WMurphy25]

In this week's issue of Sports Illustrated, Paul Zimmerman, the magazine's  
resident expert on the NFL, showed his track roots (he used to cover track 
for the NY Post) in his tribute to Bob Hayes.

Speaking of Hayes's impact with the Cowboys, Zimmerman writes, "And when the 
rest of the NFL saw how he stretched defenses and forced them to go to all 
sorts of zones to try to stop him, general managers pored over copies of 
Track and Field News and sent out their invites".

Zimmerman also gives credit to the mag's writers for the oft-reported relay 
split of 8.6(or 8.8).

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Talence results???

[WMurphy25]

Got this from "Dr.Z" yesterday:

In case you have not seen the results from DecaStar in Talence, Tom 
Pappas upset WR holder Roman Sebrle, 8525 to 8417. Tom won 3 events (100m hj, 
110m). Tom had PR 4497 1st day (and 99 pt lead) which included an outdoor PR 
in the shot (15.68m/51-5 1/2 ) and wins in the 100m (10.80) and high jump 
(2.12m/6-11 1/2 ). He also won the hurdles 14.08 and by the javelin had an 
unbeatable 216 point lead. Hope to have story in Newsletter on website 
(www.decathlonusa.org) in a few days.

  Frank Zarnowski

t-and-f: Remembering Bob Hayes

[WMurphy25]

Bob Hayes was one of my early sports heroes. I first saw him run at NY's 
Madison Square Garden during the winter of 1964, when he won the 60-yard dash 
at  Millrose, the NYAC Games, and the U.S. Championships.

I had run at the Penn Relays in 1961, but hadn't given much thought of 
returning to Franklin Field until it was announced early in 1964 that Hayes 
would run the 100 and 220 yard sprints, events that were added to the Relays 
to showcase him during the Olympic year. I had to go, and my hero didn't 
disappoint, winning the 100 in 9.3, the 220 in 20.6. My trip to Philly also 
got me hooked on the Relays, which I haven't missed since.

I travelled to Tokyo with the Track and Field News Tour to see my first 
Olympics. SInce it was Japan, and the price was right, I bought a Canon 8mm 
movie camera to record all of the action. The friendly sales clerk loaded my 
first roll of film for me, and I was ready to go. The men's 100 was early in 
the program, and I excitedly filmed Hayes' great win in the 100 (out of lane 
1 on cinders). My joy turned to horror when I opened the camera to turn the 
film over, only to discover that it hadn't been loaded properly! Oh, well.

The first time Hayes came into NY with his Dallas Cowboy teammates to play 
the Giants, he stayed at the same hotel in which the company I was working 
for at the time was having its Christmas party. I had never gotten an 
autograph before, but when I saw him in the lobby, I couldn't pass up the 
opportunity to get Bullet Bob's(lost long ago).

My final personal memory of Hayes came at a later Giants-Cowboys game at 
Yankee Stadium(a lifelong NY'er, I was a Cowboys fan because of Hayes). It 
was a great moment, as Giants defensive back Henry Carr, who won the 200 in 
Tokyo, vainly chased Hayes on a 40-yard pass play that resulted in a 
touchdown. (At least that's the way I remember it).

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: Looking for X-Country Results??

[WMurphy25]

Among other things, I publish X-Country X-Press, which comes out weekly 
during the fall. I cover the sport on all levels, with the emphasis on 
collegiate action (Div.I-III, NAIA, JUCO). If you're interested in seeing 
what subscribers get on a regular basis, drop me a note off-list and I'll add 
you to my e-mail list for this coming weekend. If you're the energetic sort 
that doesn't mind surfing the web all weekend, then this is probably not for 
you. If you like someone else doing the work for you, you might want to take 
a look.

Walt Murphy

(Hopefully I haven't violated any list ethics by posting the above)

Re: t-and-f: Montgomery on reaction time

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 9/17/02 8:48:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< On today's USATF teleconference, Tim Montgomery had this remark regarding 
his fast reaction time (I

think Walt asked this question.) >>

I did ask the question. Like many other "laymen", I had taken it on faith 
that a good reaction time meant an equally good start. While working on one 
of the Golden League meets for ESPN, I noticed that runner "A" had by far the 
best reaction time, while it was apparent from replays that runner "B" had 
the better start.

This past Saturday, while watching Montgomery's race with (serious 
name-dropping here) Michael  Johnson, I asked him if most people were making 
too much of quick reaction times, and he agreed, proceeding to give a 
demonstration of what Montgomery talked about yesterday.

I'm sure coaches  and athletes knew this along, and maybe it was obvious to 
others, but it was a revelation to this long-time follower of the sport. 

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: Track and Field in Sports Illustrated

[WMurphy25]

After being a subscriber to Sports Illustrated for decades, I let my 
subscription lapse a few years ago when it became apparent that the "powers 
that be" at the magazine no longer cared about track and field.

I was given a free subcription earlier this year and have been pleasantly 
surprised at the coverage given our sport during the summer. They have had 
two-page "Inside Track" features the last two months (July 29 and August 26) 
and the articles have been informative and current. The last one featured Tim 
Montgomery, triple jumper Juliana Perez, David Krummenacker, and Suzy Favor 
Hamilton. So far Brian Cazeneuve and Merrell Noden, both of whom have written 
about the sport for years, have provided the coverage, and word is that SI's 
new editor, Terry McDonell, is much more favorably inclined toward track than 
some of his predecessors.


If you'd like to see more of this coverage, it would be a good idea to write 
to Sports Illustrated and let them know that their track and field 
"renaissance" is appreciated(I know I plan to renew my subscription when the 
time comes). The magazine says letters to the editor can be e-mailed to

[EMAIL PROTECTED] Or you can always go the snail mail route: Sports

Illustrated, 135 W. 50th St., New York, NY 10020. A little positive

reinforcement never hurts.

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: Berlin/ESPN2

[WMurphy25]

Walt Murphy's News and Results Service

The final stop on the IAAF Golden League tour will take place tonight in 
Berlin. EPSN2's coverage will be shown late Saturday night(1am-Eastern, 
10pm-West Coast). The plan is to include the finish of that great Brussels 
10k.

Hicham El Guerrouj(1500), Marion Jones(100), Ana Guevara(400), and Felix 
Sanchez(400h) have won their respective events at all six of the previous GL 
meets. If they win tonight, they will share in the 50kg of gold 
jackpot(roughly $500,000).

Berlin website
www.istaf-berlin.de

Re: Re: t-and-f: RESULTS---10K @ Van Damme

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 9/3/2 12:45:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

<>

For the record, the last lap of the 10k in Brussels was supposed to be in the 
ESPN2 show, although not originally. 

When you're trying to cram as much action as possible into a 1-hour 
show(actually about 47 minutes when you take out the commercials, etc.), a 
producer has to have a "game plan" going in, with every segment timed to the 
second.

Flexibility is always there, so when the 10k turned out the way it did, time 
had to be found to get at least some portion of it in the show.

Since the world record hadn't been threatened, I had pushed to treat the 
men's 1500 in "highlight" fashion, meaning that you would see the last 2-1/2 
to three laps, with no introduction. After some trimming here and there in 
other elements of the show, the producer felt that we could get the whole 
race in, as well as the last lap of the 10k.

It was the responsibility of someone else to put together the final 
"highlights" package, which would include the 10k and some other events. That 
person, with a set amount of time to work with (about 3-1/2 minutes), soon 
realized that the package was going to be longer than expected, and decided 
to cut the 10k!

Since we were working under a tight deadline to get the show on the air, it 
was too late to do anything about it when the rest of us discovered what had 
been done. It was a classic case of "failure to communicate".

Those of us working on the Golden League series take pride in putting out 
good shows, so it hurts a little when something like this happens.

Regards,

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: Brussels--U.S. TV Reminder

[WMurphy25]

Walt Murphy's News and Results Service

The Van Damme Memorial will be shown on ESPN2 tonight from 10pm-11pm(West 
Coast), 1am-2am(East Coast). If you don't want to wait, check http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/sportsextra/";>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/sportsextra/ for live BBC radio 
coverage...for entries and results, go to http://www.memorialvandamme.be/Practica.htm";>
http://www.memorialvandamme.be/Practica.htm.

Here are the expected paces for tonight's races. El Guerrouj has talked about 
world records all season long, but it sounds like he's serious about 
tonight's effort in the 1500. Another world record attempt will take place in 
the women's 1000-meters(Mutola).

 Men's 800m
 Kiptoo 400m 50.0
 
 1500m
 Kisilu 800m 1:49
 Lelei 1000m 2:17
 El Guerrouj wishes to reach 1200m faster than his Monaco time of 2:45.78,
 i.e. quicker than ever
 
 3000m
 Mutai 4 laps 3:58
 Keino 2000m 4:59
 
 10,000m
 As things stand now it is Richard Geemy, Joseph Kosgei and Enock Mitei
 aiming to reach halfway in 13:15 or so, with the hope of a final time in
 the 26:40s
 
 3000m Steeplechase
 The pace will be designed to help Tahri attack the European record
 
 Women's 1000m
 Vriesde has been asked to run 3x 29 second 200m segments
 
 1500m
 Komyagina 400m 60.5
 Komyagina 800m: 2:03.5
 
 3000m
 They're said to be attempting to break Szabo's new European record

TIME SCHEDULE
(Brussels is 6 hours ahead of the East Coast, 9 ahead of the West Coast)
2002 VAN DAMME MEMORIAL
Brussels, Belgium  August 30, 2002

TIME SCHEDULE(6 hour time change)
18.00   Pole Vault Men
    Javelin Women
18.10   4 x 100m (Bis Run)
18.15   1000m Girls (-17y)
18.22   1000m Boys (-17y)
18.30   1000m Men (-21 y)
18.38   1000m Women (-21 y)
18.45   10.000m Men
19.15   OPENING CEREMONY
19.30   400m Hurdles Menh
19.35   3000m Women
19.40   High Jump Women
19.45   Javelin Men
19.50   100m Women
19.55   Triple Jump Men
20.00   1500m Women
20.10   100m Men
20.20   3.000 Men
20.32   100m Hurdles Women
20.40   400 m Women
20.50   800m Men
21:00   200m Women
21.08   3000m Steeple
21.20   200m Men
21.27   1000m Women
21.35   1500m Men




GOLDEN LEAGUE POT OF GOLD
5 down, 2 to go)
Marion Jones
Ana Guevara
Hicham EL Guerrouj
Felix Sanchez

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

[WMurphy25]

Walt Murphy's News and Results Service

I realize we have to look at denials with a cautious eye, but here is what 
Reuters reported:


Boulami told Morocco's official news agency MAP that he was shocked at 
the test result and vowed to prove his innocence.

"How can I be accused of taking a banned substance when I regularly undergo 
medical tests, the number of which have multiplied since I first beat the 
world record last year?," he said.

"I train in high altitude in Ifrane (Morocco) four to five months a year, 
that's the only doping I could be accused of.

"I'll wait for the result of the other (B sample) test and I am willing to 
undergo all kinds of tests."


(Brussels) meeting organiser Wilfried Meert told journalists at a news 
conference with U.S sprinter Marion Jones on Thursday that he refused to 
condemn Boulami until all the circumstances were clear and the Moroccan's 'B' 
sample had been tested.

"It's never much fun for a sport -- any sport -- to hear of a positive test, 
but it's even sadder when it's a top level athlete, a world record holder," 
he said.

Speaking last Sunday at a news conference in his home city of Safi, on the 
Atlantic coast, Boulami said that "drugs never made champions."

"As far as I know, the fact that a Moroccan athlete breaks a record never 
raised an eyebrow. This is due to the world's respect for our country and our 
sportsmen."

The press briefing was organised on the sidelines of a ceremony during which 
Boulami received a congratulation letter from King Mohammed on his latest 
world record.

He attributed his rise to athletics stardom after years of lacklustre 
performances to a new-found confidence.

"I was afraid of the Kenyans. But this year I was confident of being able to 
break the world record 400 metres before the finish line," he said.

Re: t-and-f: CC sie

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 8/28/02 9:17:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Does anyone out there hade the address of a good site to retrieve

college CC results this fall.


Ed Grant >>

Subscribers to X-Country X-Press will have all the results they can handle 
e-mailed to them each weekend.

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: 17-year-old (?) runs sub-3:33

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 8/19/02 3:53:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Overlooked in the abundance of excellent performances at Zurich last 
Friday:


1500 meters - under 23

1. Alex Kipchirchir, Kenya  - 3:32.95.


Reported date of birth: 26 November 1984. >>

Don't know if this was mentioned on the list over  the weekend, but Hillary 
Chenonge ran 13:06.47 for 9th place in the 5k in Zurich. He just turned 17 on 
May 30. (As mentioned by Larry Rawson on ESPN2's coverage)

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: USA Beats Great Britain, Russia

[WMurphy25]

Walt Murphy's News and Results Service

(Drop me a line if you want more information about my "service")

Another typical mid-summer's day in Glasgow--cold and lots of rain. A look at 
the results of the men's 100 will give you and idea of how bad the conditions 
were. Winner Dwain Chambers said, "It was the coldest I've ever run in". 

Stacy Dargila continued to struggle, jumping 14-9 to finish 3rd in the 
women's vault. Russia's Svetlana Feofanova won with a clearance of 15-1 1/2.

Aug 18 Glasgow, Scotland) - Team 1 USA 144, 2 GBR 117, 3 RUS 116
100 (+1.2) 1 Dwain Chambers 10.28, 2 Coby Miller (USA) 10.29, 3 Jon Drummond 
(USA) 10.34, 4 Jason Gardener 10.34, 5 Aleksandr Smirnov (RUS) 10.63, 6 
Aleksandr Ryabov (RUS) 10.69
100-ns (+1.4) 1 Jason Smoots (USA) 10.38, 2 Tom Green (USA) 10.69, 3 Dwayne 
Grant 10.71, 4 Kaaron Conwright (USA) 10.76, 5 Daniel Plummer 10.81
200 (+1.6) 1 Darvis Patton (USA) 20.16 (won performance of meet award), 2 
Marlon Devonish 20.60, 3 Ramon Clay (USA) 20.62, 4 Christian Malcolm 20.82, 5 
Sergey Blinov (RUS) 21.07, 6 Oleg Sergeyev (RUS) 21.42
400 1 Antonio Pettigrew (USA) 46.13, 2 Angelo Taylor (USA) 46.40, 3 Jared 
Deacon 46.46, 4 Du'aine Thorne-Ladejo 46.70, 5 Andrey Semyonov (RUS) 47.54, 6 
Oleg Mishukov (RUS) 47.71
1500 1 Michael East 3:55.15, 2 Andrey Zadorozhniy (RUS) 3:55.73, 3 Bryan 
Berryhill (USA) 3:55.93, 4 Seneca Lassiter (USA) 3:56.96, 5 Anthony Whiteman 
3:57.21, 6 Vyacheslav Shabunin (RUS) 3:57.27
110H (+2.2) 1 Larry Wade (USA) 13.24w, 2 Colin Jackson 13.32w, 3 Allen 
Johnson (USA) 13.45w, 4 Yuriy Volkov (RUS) 13.84w, 5 Andrey Kislykh (RUS) 
13.87w, Tony Jarrett DNF
400H 1 Joey Woody (USA) 49.14, 2 James Carter (USA) 49.25, 3 Matt Elias 
49.46, 4 Ruslan Mashchenko (RUS) 49.51, 5 Anthony Borsumato 49.72, 6 Mikhail 
Lipskiy (RUS) 51.95
LJ 1 Savanté Stringfellow (USA) 8.20/26-11, 2 Miguel Pate (USA) 8.15/26-9, 3 
Danila Burkenya (RUS) 7.77/25-6, 4 Vladimir Malyavin (RUS) 7.65, 5 Chris 
Tomlinson 7.57, 6 Darren Ritchie 7.54, 7 Jamie Quarry (gst) 7.08
TJ 1 Jonathan Edwards 17.54/57-6 1/2, 2 Igor Spasovkhodskiy (RUS) 
17.32w/56-10 (& 16.29), 3 Phillips Idowu 17.28/56-8 1/2, 4 Walter Davis (USA) 
16.68/54-8 3/4, 5 Aleksey Musikhin (RUS) 16.35, Tim Rusan (USA) NDR
JT 1 Sergey Makarov (RUS) 87.99/288-8, 2 Steve Backley 83.06/272-6, 3 
Aleksandr Ivanov (RUS) 82.90/272-0, 4 Mick Hill 75.86/248-11, 5 Ty Sevin 
(USA) 62.62/205-5, 6 Christopher Clever (USA) 61.28/201-0
4x100 1 GBR (Plummer, Devonish, Grant, Chambers) 39.48, 2 RUS (Smirnov, 
Blinov, Ryabov, Sergeyev) 39.66, 3 USA (Green, Smoots, Clay, Johnson) 39.86
w100 (+1.9) 1 Chryste Gaines (USA) 11.12, 2 Torri Edwards (USA) 11.34, 3 
Marina Kislova (RUS) 11.50, 4 Abi Oyepitan 11.56, 5 Natalya Ignatova (RUS) 
11.58, 6 Amanda Forrester 11.77
w200 (+1.5) 1 Joice Maduaka 23.37, 2 Shani Anderson 23.59, 3 Edwards (USA) 
23.85, 4 Brianna Glenn (USA) 24.06, 5 Irina Khabarova (RUS) 24.07, 6 Larisa 
Kruglova (RUS) 24.24
w400 1 Jearl Miles-Clark (USA) 51.65, 2 Monique Hennagan (USA) 52.14, 3 Lee 
McConnell 52.16, 4 Olesya Zykina (RUS) 52.23, 5 Natalya Nazarova (RUS) 53.67, 
6 Melanie Purkiss 54.00
w1500 1 Tatyana Tomashova (RUS) 4:09.64, 2 Kelly Holmes 4:10.38, 3 Sarah 
Schwald (USA) 4:12.82, 4 Yelena Zadorozhnaya (RUS) 4:12.86, 5 Susan Scott 
4:12.90, 6 Collette Liss (USA) 4:18.80
w100H (+0.6) 1 Gail Devers (USA) 12.79, 2 Anjanette Kirkland (USA) 12.81, 3 
Svetlana Laukhova (RUS) 13.06, 4 Julie Pratt 13.25, 5 Mariya Koroteyeva (RUS) 
13.33, 6 Diane Allahgreen 13.42
wPV 1 Svetlana Feofanova (RUS) 4.62/15-1 1/2, 2 Yelena Isinbayeva (RUS) 
4.50/14-9, 3 Stacy Dragila (USA) 4.50/14-9, 4 Mary Sauer (USA) 4.05/13-3 1/2, 
5 Irie Hill 3.75, 6 Kate Dennison (J) 3.60
wTJ 1 Ashia Hansen 13.96/45-9 3/4, 2 Yelena Oleynikova (RUS) 13.76/45-1 3/4, 
3 Anna Pyatykh (RUS) 13.62w/44-8 1/4 (& 13.52), 4 Vanitta Kinard (USA) 
13.61/44-8, 5 Michelle Griffith 13.44/44-1 1/4, 6 Yuliana Perez (USA) 
13.36/43-10
wHT 1 Olga Kuzenkova (RUS) 71.73/235-4, 2 Anna Norgren Mahon (USA) 
66.69/218-9, 3 Lorraine Shaw 63.62/208-9, 4 Alla Davydova (RUS) 61.07/200-4, 
5 Jamine Moton (USA) 60.29/197-9, 6 Zoe Derham 55.23, 7 Shirley Webb (gst) 
54.51
w4x100 1 RUS (Ignatova, Kruglova, Khabarova, Kislova) 43.99, 2 USA (Glenn, 
Carruthers, Cox, Angela Williams) 44.03, GBR (Allahgreen, Maduaka, Anderson, 
Oyepitan) DNF

Re: t-and-f: Zurich women's 800 start list

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 8/15/02 6:28:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I see that Monique Hennagan is entered in the race.  Just curious on any 
recent 800's for her? >>

She'll most likely be the rabbit(she's already done that this year).

Walt murphy

t-and-f: Webb Signs With Nike

[WMurphy25]

Walt Murphy's News and Results Service

The rumors have been swirling for weeks, but it's been confirmed that Alan 
Webb has signed a lucrative contract with Nike. Dick Patrick has the 
exclusive story in today's edition of USA Today.
http://www.usatoday.com/";>http://www.usatoday.com/
(Click on Sports--"Weaving a New Webb")

Be sure to read the 2nd article--Webb Comfortable at Home

There is a survey that accompanies the on-line article: 

Quick question results
 
Look into your crystal ball and predict where Alan Webb will be six years 
down the road, after the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Results so far:

 38.32%
Out of the sport, never living up to the hype
 26.35%
U.S. record-holder, at sub-3 minutes 47 seconds
 19.76%
A 3:55 miler
 15.57%
Olympic medalist
Total Votes:167

t-and-f: Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Trammell leads U.S. gold rush at NACAC

[WMurphy25]

"Well, I wish there was some communication on this ahead of time...being 40
miles away from San Antonio, I wouldn't have mind heading down there for
the meet.  FYI, there's this new invention called the newspaper. Buy an ad in the
sports section. Seriously, it's not hard. From what I hear, a handful of
people will see the ad, and be interested enough to show up at the event."

If you saw this release on the t-and-f list, how did you miss all of the others that 
USATF posted leading up to the meet?

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Tourova breaks women's 3000 meter steeplechase record

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 7/27/02 4:02:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Has anyone figured a conversion between men's and women's steeplechase?  
How

much slower would a Tourova be over the higher men's barriors? Or a man

faster over the lower?   10 seconds? 20? more or is it a function of

hurdling ability or the athlete's height?  >>

Can't help on the conversions, but Turova is 5-10 3/4 and has run  8:32.89 
for 3000. She also has the fastest time in the world this year in the 1500 
(She beat Jacobs in Monaco-4:01.01 to 4:01.02).

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: a WR everybody missed

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 7/23/02 5:27:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< (too bad it didn't get caught for the telecast)

El Guerrouj's 2:45.78 at the 1200 point in Monaco is a "World Record" far as
I know for 3 laps.

Previous fastest 2:46.10 at Brussels last year. >>

I believe Larry Rawson said during the broadcast that it "may" have been the 
fastest 1200 ever run. Of course, it would have been nice to say that it 
"was" the fastest ever.

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: Field Event Results

[WMurphy25]

(This is posted on behalf of Don Schlesinger, who is having trouble posting 
to the t-and-f list. You can reply to him directly at D [EMAIL PROTECTED])



If you're a horizontal-jumps enthusiast, as I am, you must share with me a 
certain frustration when trying to read current-day performance boards, while 
following a competition.  Of course, I'm talking about the inability, under 
the present configuration, of the boards to display the precise imperial 
measurement of the jump, to the nearest quarter of an inch. (Yes, metric 
lovers, I know you have no such problem!)

As you all know, standard boards have four panels to display first the two 
digits for the feet and then, potentially, two more digits for the inches.  
There are ten push-tabs for each integer, which permit the poster to select 
the appropriate numbers. Thus, for 22 feet, 6 inches, the official selects 
2-2-0-6 (or, alternatively, leaves the third column blank, with no digit 
displayed, or posts 2-2-6--, leaving the fourth column blank), and for, say, 
23 feet 11 inches, the judge posts 2-3-1-1.  The problem?  We aren't 
permitted to know any fractions of an inch.  There is no way to display  ,  , 
or   of an inch, under the present board configurations, and so, the 
fractions are simply dropped.  Worse still, from time to time, fractions such 
as   are actually erroneously rounded up, to the next-highest inch!

My suggestion is as innovative as it is simple to implement, and I'm 
astounded that no company has seen fit to market such a product up until now. 
 Leave the first two columns alone.  Add two extra tabs to the third column, 
to provide for a single panel that will express not only the ten single 
digits from 0 to 9, but also the numbers 10 and 11.  For the fourth column, 
remove the current ten available digits and replace them with the three 
fractions, either in the aforementioned fractional form, or perhaps with 
their decimal equivalents, .25, .50, and .75, which may be easier to read 
from a distance.

If anything, the board might be even cheaper to manufacture, as the current 
40 tabs would be replaced by five fewer, or 35 in all.  I see no apparent 
drawbacks, other than the obvious fact that the "10" and "11" panels, for 
inches, would be slightly more crowded looking than their single-digit 
counterparts.  So what!

I urge some member of the group who works at a company that produces 
performance boards to seriously consider my proposal.  I'm certainly not 
looking for any royalties or patenting fees.  My "payment" would be in the 
form of the enhanced enjoyment that tens of thousands of spectators, 
athletes, and coaches would derive from being able to follow the jumps events 
more carefully.  I hope that someone will see fit to create such a prototype 
board, and nothing would please me more than to see it replace the current 
models as the new standard for performance boards, across the country.  Don't 
you all think it's about time?

Don Schlesinger

t-and-f: TV/KRUMMENACKER 3:31.93!

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 7/16/02 4:45:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< do you know where these results are being posted at all.  Is this gonna be
televised eventually somewhere in the US >>

Assuming there are no technical glitches, highlights from today's meet in 
Stockholm will be included in ESPN2's coverage of Friday's meet in Monaco 
(midnight Eastern, 9pm Pacific).

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: US TV Reminder

[WMurphy25]

Coverage of Friday's Golden League meet in Rome will be shown today(Saturday) 
on ESPN from Noon-1pm(EDT). The events that will be shown: 
Men's and Women's 100 
Women's 400 
Men's 800 
Women's 1500, Men's Mile 
Women's 100-hurdles 
Men's 400-hurdles 
Highlights of the men's and women's 5000s 
Men's Triple Jump
Highlights from Zagreb

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: Aggies, Shmaggies/Soccer Madness

[WMurphy25]

The Aggies aren't the only ones who know how to have a good time in Shallow 
Alto!

The Scene: The lobby bar at the Palo Alto Sheraton

The time: 1:45am

The Setting: Overtime in the South Korea vs Spain World Cup match

The Players: About 20 people, including some of the sports heavy hitters,  
and THE MAN, who  insisted that everyone leave to satisfy local laws.

The background music: Vintage "Frisco 60s"--Buffalo Springfield's "Stop, 
children, what's that sound, evryone look, what's going 'round..."

The MAN:  Yuz got to leave...it's the law!!!

The Angry Crowd: They're going into penalty kicks---we ain't leaving!!!

The MAN: but, but...ya got's to go.

TAC--"Hell, no, we  won't go!"

The MAN--"Where'd he go?"

The Outcome: South Korea wins, a country celebrates, and we all go quietly to 
our rooms.

The Moral: Don't mess with track people who have been cut off too soon! 

Walt Murphy

  

Re: t-and-f: Setting the record straight

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 6/18/02 6:44:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< For the record the 7:35.6 for the 2 mile relay (4 x 880 yards) was set on

the St John's University all-weather track, not a dirt/cinder type.  >>

As soon as I sent my original post, I started to wonder if my memory had 
failed me (once again). I'll just have to factor that into my reverse 
conversion tables, which make everything that happened in the 60s much better 
than they are now(copies available for a nominal fee).

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: how did this go unremarked?!

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 6/18/02 4:44:14 PM, FMBYRNES writes:

<< 
The 7:35.6 was on a dirt track...using the reverse conversion tables that 
I've devised, Auburn's 7:32.89 is only worth 7:40.89 on dirt, so Boys High 
and Andrew Jackson still lead MY all-time list.

Walt Murphy
(One of those old NY guys) 
  >>


Dirt, smirt - one of the fastest tracks in the world, then and now, was the 
Bakersfield one.  Give it up, Auburn set a new record and it should be 
accepted as such. >>

Mike,
  Next time I'll add the computer symbol for "tounge-in-cheek"(does one 
exist?). And what does the Bakersfield track have to do with anything? Did 
you forget that the 7:35.6 was run at St.John's?

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: how did this go unremarked?!

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 6/18/02 3:44:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Auburn, Washington finally breaks (intrinsically, since York already 
bettered it in metric sense) the legendary 4 x 880 records of 7:35.6 from way 
back in '66.


What are you old NY guys going to have to talk about now?  :-) >>

The 7:35.6 was on a dirt track...using the reverse conversion tables that 
I've devised, Auburn's 7:32.89 is only worth 7:40.89 on dirt, so Boys High 
and Andrew Jackson still lead MY all-time list.

Walt Murphy
(One of those old NY guys) 

Re: t-and-f: How Is Dan O'Brien Qualified

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 6/15/02 7:43:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< And besides, he won't have that much of an impact on ticket sales.  >>

Since the multis will be held in Berkeley on June19-20, O'Brien will have NO 
impact on ticket sales at Stanford.

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: TV-Humble Pie/False Starts

[WMurphy25]

One of the things that I do when doing my TV ''thing" is prepare a sheet for 
each event, complete with records, lane assignments, and 2-3 lines(or more) 
of info on each athlete.

I like to think I do a pretty good job, but, just in case I get too 
complacent, I occasionally get reminded of my lack of infallibility. Dwight 
Stones is great for picking out the occasional typo, or outright mistake, and 
he was joined in recent weeks by two new members of the "Critics Corner".

At the Prefontaine Classic, none other than  Bob Kennedy politely pointed out 
that I had the wrong site for his American Record in the 5000.

The best (or worst) example of getting caught in a mistake came this past 
Saturday at the NCAA Championships. Marion Jones, working as a commentator 
for CBS, came over to me before the night's events began and pointed at the  
records panel on my sheet for the women's 100. "Let's see", she began, "World 
leader is Chandra Sturrup at 11.01, and the U.S. leader is LaTasha Jenkins at 
11.05". 

I had gotten those marks from the IAAF website, so I wasn't sure what she was 
getting at. She pointed at them again, and, with a grin on her face, said, 
"You don't get it, do you--how about 10.90, Marion Jones, Prefontaine 
Classic"!Do! I could blame the IAAF for not updating its lists, but I 
had been at Pre and forgot all about Marion's mark.

And now that I've had a week to calm down(sort of), let me restate TV's 
position on false starts. I stand by my original objection to the 
"perception" that false starts are regularly shown on taped shows in the U.S. 
It's a matter of policy on every network that false starts "don't exist" in 
such shows. Does this mean that they're NEVER shown? No, but if they are, 
it's the exception, rather than the rule, and it's usually done to enhance 
the story of the particular event.

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Mike Holloway- New UF Head Track Coach

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 6/3/02 11:45:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< PS - Is it my imagination or am I starting to sound like malmo? >>

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Re: t-and-f: Full Response (false starts on TV)

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 5/27/02 10:06:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< That's one heck of a disclaimer, Walt.  Who decides what is integral, and
how often does that happen?

No reason to get upset.  I know what I've seen, you know what you've
produced, the two positions contradict each other, and one of us is wrong.
 So be it.
 >>

Dan,
  As long as everyone knows that it's you who is wrong. Even if you have seen 
false-starts on a taped show sometime in the past, it hasn't happened in 
recent years(with rare exceptions for the reasons I stated in my previous 
post--and I can't remember the last time it happened), and I just don't 
understand why you and others keep bringing it up. 

As for who decides what is integral, you can bet we would show false starts 
if a Maurice Greene or a Marion Jones was dq'd. And false starts get a 
mention(but that's all) when we have to explain an open lane, as when Jon 
Drummond was dq'd on Sunday. Otherwise, they don't exist in a taped show.

Walt Murphy
(Wishing I could think of some Malmoisms to really express how I feel about 
this)

t-and-f: Full Response

[WMurphy25]

Hit the send key too soon.


In a message dated 5/27/02 8:41:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< but your perception of what's being shown doesn't seem
to match what people are viewing with regards to false starts on taped
broadcasts.  Why else do you think you would have to keep defending that
issue? >>

Because that's just what it is--a perception Since I work on 99.9% of the 
track shows that air on CBS,NBC,ABC,ESPN,TNT,Nick at Nite, The Food 
Channel(you get my point), I can categorically deny that false starts are 
routinely shown on taped shows. The only time they would be shown is when 
they become an integral part of the story of the event.

There is always a pre-meet production meeting and that issue is raised every 
time--"False starts don't exist in our show". If there is a false start, the 
announcers will usually do what's called a "re-set", in which they redo the 
entire introduction to the event--records, lane assignments, etc. That is why 
you sometimes see a delay(if you're at the particular event) in the runners 
getting back into their blocks.

Bring on your criticism if you will, but please get your facts straight 
before you do.

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Pre T.V. coverage

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 5/27/02 8:41:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< but your perception of what's being shown doesn't seem
to match what people are viewing with regards to false starts on taped
broadcasts.  Why else do you think you would have to keep defending that
issue? >>

Because that's just what it is--a perception Since I work on 99.9% of the 
track shows that air on CBS,NBC,ABC,ESPN,TNT,Nick at Nite, The Food 
Channel(you get my point), I can categorically deny that false starts are 
routinely shown on taped shows. The only time they would be shown is when 
they become an integral 

There is always a pre-meet production meeting and that issue is raised every 
time--"False starts don't exist in our show". If there is a false start, the 
announcers will usually do what's called a "re-set", in which they redo the 
entire introduction to the event--records, lane assignments, etc. That is why 
you sometimes see a delay(if you're at the particular event) in the runners 
getting back into their blocks

Re: t-and-f: Pre T.V. coverage

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 5/27/02 2:24:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< --- Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the coverage was better. The coverage was much more
> focused on the pure competition and less on athlete interviews

It was also very nice to see that they told us there had been false starts
instead of making us sit through them. >>

I'll keep saying this until it gets through to people. The only time that TV 
makes you "sit through" false starts is when it's a live show, or when a 
false  start(s) becomes part of the story.  False starts are basically 
ignored in taped shows(at least the ones that I work on).

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: TV Reminder-Pre Classic

[WMurphy25]

Sunday's Prefontaine Classic will be shown on ESPN2 from11pm-12:30am on the 
East Coast, 8pm-9:30pm on the West Coast. Larry Rawson, Dwight Stones,  
Michael Johnson and Bob Kennedy will be the announcers.

Weather looks great--high 60s, no rain, no pollen! No Alan Webb this year, 
but it could be another sub-3:50 mile, with Bernard Lagat taking on Hichm El 
Guerrouj again.

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: I know they're twins, but . . . .

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 5/21/02 9:06:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< The results of the Portland meet posted over the weekend by Charles Wandler

and Michael Scott show that Calvin Harrison was 5th in the 400m.  The ESPN

telecast also said that he was in the race.  But the IAAF and Track & Field

News are reporting it as Alvin Harrison. 


Does anyone know for sure who actually ran? >>

Alvin was originally entered, but it was Calvin who actually ran. (But with 
twins, who really knows?)

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: U.S. TV Reminder

[WMurphy25]

Saturday's Grand Prix II meet from Portland will be shown live on ESPN2 from  
 8-9pm(5-6PDT).

There are no guarantees in live TV, but among the events to be shown 
are(Hopefully):
Steeplechase--Boulami, Broe-going for the American Record...almost the whole 
race will be shown.
Women's 5k(Highlight)..Marla Runyan, Rudolph, Kidane, Tollefson, Kenah, Rhines
Men's 1000-Krummenacker, Kimutai, Bungei, W.Chirchir, Sepeng
Men's Shot Put--Godina, Nelson
Women's 800--Teter, Cummins, Langerholc
Women's Discus--Suzy Powell

Walt Murphy

t-and-f: HBO/Pole Vault Deaths

[WMurphy25]

HBO's Real Sports will have a feature on recent deaths connected to pole 
vaulting on tonight's show at 10pm.

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: url that has exact regional qualifying proposal

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 5/9/02 4:10:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<  Don't they do this
already in XC with the district meet or am I mistaken? >>

That used to be the case, but hasn't been for a few years.

Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: UCLA women beat SC

[WMurphy25]

In a message dated 5/4/02 11:33:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< 400H, Johnson 56.56 CL >>

Texas' Raaisin McIntosh ran 56.24 in Austin today.

Walt Murphy