RE: Microsoft and accessibility
Here, here Tom! I could have not have stated it any better! I will never understand the purpose of upgrading to the next version since it is probably loaded with bugs anyway. I stated once before that I would wait until the full release of windows 10 and reading of all the problems others are having convinces me I made the right decision! Aloha, Alex -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+alex.liberty=hawaii.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 5:08 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Microsoft and accessibility Well, Dave. When you cite an example such as your previous employer you're opening a Pandora's box of an enormous gray zone. What the owner of that company did was to the extreme. And it got him exactly what he deserved. But there's no avoiding bugs and inaccessibility when we're dealing with new operating systems and browsers. And no matter how hard these companies push their PR machines to show how cuddly and kind they are to the blind and other disabled communities it's all just that. To a multi-billion dollar company we are worthless. Absolutely worthless. That is the hard reality in such a business world. Their jobs would all be much easier without us. Our purchasing power is equivalent to adding or subtracting pennies from the national reserves. It's all about money, competition, and the market today. I'm astounded to see how much customer service has plummeted in every industry, bar none, over the last 20 - 30 years overall. And they're all very well aware that if all their competitors do the same then we have no recourse, particularly in this situation where we really only have two choices: Microsoft or Apple. To me personally, I have one choice: Microsoft. VoiceOver is great on my phone. But as much as Apple lovers try to rave about it there's no doubt that if I were go to Apple for my real computing it would be an enormous sacrifice. It has no flexibility or script ability and you do everything one way: their way. So I'm perfectly willing and have no problem with waiting for the kinks to be ironed out in Windows 10. If any of the complainers can give me one truly valid reason for their need to upgrade to Windows 10 the day it came out I'll give them a million bucks. I've been in this game since day one and have yet to see the perfect initial release of anything. If I had an extra system kicking around to play with, sure, I'd install Windows 10 simply out of curiosity. But I have no faith or expectation in any new operating system. Although with that having had been said, I will say that the rush to market mentality has gotten significantly worse over the years. And again it's all driven by the money and the market. Microsoft has never been famous for their quality. But Apple has and look at them. Their record breaking sales and profits continue to rise while their quality falls. In recent years problems have been on the rise in their desktops and laptops, iOS 9 is more or less a rewrite of iOS 8. And the upcoming iPhone 6S has been structurally re-engineered to correct an inexcusable unsafe product. And yet we still buy it all or install it. So we share the blame. The computer/internet evolution has created a world of addicts. And here we sit whining about bad dope and will do it all over again the next time around. So where's the incentive? There's no such thing in a virtual monopoly. It's a high-tech form of slavery. That is unless you want to go live in a cabin on Golden Pond, stoke your fire, hunt down your meals and grow your crops, bathe in the brook, sit on the porch, smoke your pipe, sip your herbal tea, and ponder the magnificence of the universe. And to be honest, part of me wouldn't mind doing just that. Life sure would be a lot easier. And be it that I do live on a lake and am at the moment listening to the crickets chirp and the frogs croak, maybe I'll take one of my guitars outside and see if I can improvise along with them and reach a higher state of consciousness in concert with the cosmos. (grin) Tom On 8/12/2015 8:17 PM, dlh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi tom, I am too familiar with Owners pushing Software out the door too soon, to get some badly needed cash flow to start coming into the cash box. for years, I tested these New versions to be released to the customer base, and so often I and the other guys would find bug after bug after bug, and often these bugs were the embarrassing ones, the ones that almost everyone would stumble into if they even used the program slightly. We would prioritized these bugs as to which ones we felt needed to be fixed first second third etc.So often, the owner would look at this list, and toss it aside. he had found some bug he thought would need to be fix before his own mind felt good about releasing the new version. this guy never spoke to the customers, never read their emails, and rarely used his own
Re: Microsoft and accessibility
As others have said (sort of) you can complain about the lack of ability for each of us to flex our muscles. That would be fine if we had economic power. The reality is we don't, and we won't! Perhaps if we were larger in numbers, we might. But no one owes us anything, and the sooner each of us accepts that, the sooner each of us can continue trying to improve our lives. On 8/12/2015 2:42 PM, tchild via Talk wrote: Hi, I’m a bit dismayed and also wondering about the “back steps” accessibility has seemed to take. Where are all the organizations, and people we as blind and dissabled people have put our “faith” in to make sure that we can at least access some of the stuff via networks. In this day and age for Microsoft not only to roll out a new version of windows that is less accessible than previous versions, but an all new browser that is totally in-accessible with a screen reader. We hear the same old song and dance everytime we have to settle for less than our sighted peers. Maybe it’s time blind and Vi quit “blindly” following the Acb’s and the NFB’s and band together for one cause. We’ve kinda been like the north against the south, Democrats against Republicans. I’m afraid that untill we are all or “one mind” we will continue to have to settle for being “second class” citizens... Just saying. Tony ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Accessibility: A Reality Check
What's this second class citizen nonsense? What's this poor me attitude? I don't get it! The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the weather! No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the enemy not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on. The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds. Go figure! Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated. Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a whine list which makes me need a gin and tonic. I can't wait for the fixes to Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be available on a multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones, and who knows what else. And the great thing, Microsoft will have a single user interface across devices so I will need to learn only one set of commands to work with them all. Someone on this list just complained about the ribbon bar now in some more Windows apps; well, Microsoft is trying to unify its user interface and thus simplify the user experience. Yeah, people don't like to change; my sighted wife hates Word 2013 because she doesn't know how to use the ribbon bar, and she refuses to read my tutorial about it. That's her problem, not Microsoft's! Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: windows live mail 2009
Hi Butch you should be running WML version 2012 and you press alt f for file menu then options and in their you have mail and email acounts cheers Michael. -Original Message- From: Butch K via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 7:02 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: windows live mail 2009 Hello, I'm trying to get wineyes to work with WLM version 2009, which is a new program for me. Can someone tell me the hot key or where I can find the setting to switch from one email account to another? Thanks. Butch ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/michaelandjeanie%40aapt.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Microsoft and accessibility
Alex, Good point. This is why we observe the Microsoft rule in this house, waiting at least six months before upgrading. That way, others have found the bugs and they have been fixed. You are never going to be able to release a 100% bug-free piece of software as developers cannot test absolutely every instance of how that software will be used. If you even tried, nothing would ever be released. That beign said, Microsoft should have released Edge with accessibility but did not and they know it which is why they gave the recommendations they did. I may be an intermediate user who gets frustrated; but my husband, who is a software developer and tester, will always remind me of the above. Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com Using WE 9.1 on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 64-bit with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7 home premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Windows Defender onAcer netbook as well as Macaffee Live Safe on HP Pavilion. Support the Illinois Council of the Blind at our GoFundMe page: www.gofundme.com/icb2015. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Mallware Bytes
Hi, Just downloaded the free version. When I open it all I can read with WE is the tital. I have maxamised the window but still can't read anything. I'm using 8.4. Any ideas? Thx -Steve ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Microsoft and accessibility
Hi All: My Microsoft rule is to wait at least six months after a new Windows release before upgrading, sometimes longer if whatever my current OS version is works just fine for me. I'd rather have others deal with all the bugs, since as Peter said, there's no way to iron them all out in testing. Take it from a veteran Software Engineer, he's right! Ray Campbell ray153...@gmail.com Skype: ray650315 Blog: farmers-boy.livejournal.com Twitter: @packerbackerray Facebook: www.facebook.com/packerbackerray Support the Illinois Council of the Blind at our GoFundMe page: www.gofundme.com/icb2015. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ray153056=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Alex yray via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:12 AM To: 'Tom Kingston' tom.kings...@charter.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: RE: Microsoft and accessibility Here, here Tom! I could have not have stated it any better! I will never understand the purpose of upgrading to the next version since it is probably loaded with bugs anyway. I stated once before that I would wait until the full release of windows 10 and reading of all the problems others are having convinces me I made the right decision! Aloha, Alex -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+alex.liberty=hawaii.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 5:08 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Microsoft and accessibility Well, Dave. When you cite an example such as your previous employer you're opening a Pandora's box of an enormous gray zone. What the owner of that company did was to the extreme. And it got him exactly what he deserved. But there's no avoiding bugs and inaccessibility when we're dealing with new operating systems and browsers. And no matter how hard these companies push their PR machines to show how cuddly and kind they are to the blind and other disabled communities it's all just that. To a multi-billion dollar company we are worthless. Absolutely worthless. That is the hard reality in such a business world. Their jobs would all be much easier without us. Our purchasing power is equivalent to adding or subtracting pennies from the national reserves. It's all about money, competition, and the market today. I'm astounded to see how much customer service has plummeted in every industry, bar none, over the last 20 - 30 years overall. And they're all very well aware that if all their competitors do the same then we have no recourse, particularly in this situation where we really only have two choices: Microsoft or Apple. To me personally, I have one choice: Microsoft. VoiceOver is great on my phone. But as much as Apple lovers try to rave about it there's no doubt that if I were go to Apple for my real computing it would be an enormous sacrifice. It has no flexibility or script ability and you do everything one way: their way. So I'm perfectly willing and have no problem with waiting for the kinks to be ironed out in Windows 10. If any of the complainers can give me one truly valid reason for their need to upgrade to Windows 10 the day it came out I'll give them a million bucks. I've been in this game since day one and have yet to see the perfect initial release of anything. If I had an extra system kicking around to play with, sure, I'd install Windows 10 simply out of curiosity. But I have no faith or expectation in any new operating system. Although with that having had been said, I will say that the rush to market mentality has gotten significantly worse over the years. And again it's all driven by the money and the market. Microsoft has never been famous for their quality. But Apple has and look at them. Their record breaking sales and profits continue to rise while their quality falls. In recent years problems have been on the rise in their desktops and laptops, iOS 9 is more or less a rewrite of iOS 8. And the upcoming iPhone 6S has been structurally re-engineered to correct an inexcusable unsafe product. And yet we still buy it all or install it. So we share the blame. The computer/internet evolution has created a world of addicts. And here we sit whining about bad dope and will do it all over again the next time around. So where's the incentive? There's no such thing in a virtual monopoly. It's a high-tech form of slavery. That is unless you want to go live in a cabin on Golden Pond, stoke your fire, hunt down your meals and grow your crops, bathe in the brook, sit on the porch, smoke your pipe, sip your herbal tea, and ponder the magnificence of the universe. And to be honest, part of me wouldn't mind doing just that. Life sure would be a lot easier. And be it that I do live on a lake and am at the moment listening to the crickets chirp and the frogs croak, maybe I'll take one of my guitars outside and see if I can improvise along with them and reach a higher state of consciousness
RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check
Here, here Peter. While I don't mind reading about issues with a new release of WE or another product, I hate whining. Trouble is, what's a legitimate problem vs. what's whining? I don't think people in general have this mindset of being out to get people who are blind. Companies like Apple and Microsoft have a lot of users to please out there. Ray Campbell ray153...@gmail.com Skype: ray650315 Blog: farmers-boy.livejournal.com Twitter: @packerbackerray Facebook: www.facebook.com/packerbackerray Support the Illinois Council of the Blind at our GoFundMe page: www.gofundme.com/icb2015. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ray153056=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:19 AM To: Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check What's this second class citizen nonsense? What's this poor me attitude? I don't get it! The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the weather! No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the enemy not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on. The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds. Go figure! Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated. Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a whine list which makes me need a gin and tonic. I can't wait for the fixes to Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be available on a multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones, and who knows what else. And the great thing, Microsoft will have a single user interface across devices so I will need to learn only one set of commands to work with them all. Someone on this list just complained about the ribbon bar now in some more Windows apps; well, Microsoft is trying to unify its user interface and thus simplify the user experience. Yeah, people don't like to change; my sighted wife hates Word 2013 because she doesn't know how to use the ribbon bar, and she refuses to read my tutorial about it. That's her problem, not Microsoft's! Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ray153056%40gm ail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Microsoft and accessibility
Which is why I'm thankful my folks raised me to believe no one owes me anything. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:37 AM To: tchild ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Microsoft and accessibility As others have said (sort of) you can complain about the lack of ability for each of us to flex our muscles. That would be fine if we had economic power. The reality is we don't, and we won't! Perhaps if we were larger in numbers, we might. But no one owes us anything, and the sooner each of us accepts that, the sooner each of us can continue trying to improve our lives. On 8/12/2015 2:42 PM, tchild via Talk wrote: Hi, I’m a bit dismayed and also wondering about the “back steps” accessibility has seemed to take. Where are all the organizations, and people we as blind and dissabled people have put our “faith” in to make sure that we can at least access some of the stuff via networks. In this day and age for Microsoft not only to roll out a new version of windows that is less accessible than previous versions, but an all new browser that is totally in-accessible with a screen reader. We hear the same old song and dance everytime we have to settle for less than our sighted peers. Maybe it’s time blind and Vi quit “blindly” following the Acb’s and the NFB’s and band together for one cause. We’ve kinda been like the north against the south, Democrats against Republicans. I’m afraid that untill we are all or “one mind” we will continue to have to settle for being “second class” citizens... Just saying. Tony ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check
One might still argue that it was more a means to avoid lawsuits than anything else. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:33 AM To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'net bat' Subject: RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check You are apparently unaware of the history at Microsoft! Yeah, the Narrator program is a dog, so what. Nevertheless, Microsoft wanted to have accessible products, as Bill Gates announced at a Microsoft conference over a decade ago. That's why they invited the JAWS and Window-Eyes folks to participate in development work. Don't you remember the announcement a year or so ago from GW Micro when they unvaled their joint partnership of screen reader accessibility. Microsoft has bundled Window-Eyes with Office products and gives them a way free now; what more commitment do all of you expect from Microsoft? Peter Duran -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check Actually, the only communities that are legally discriminated against the communities that have people who are disabled. You actually think, that Microsoft cares about accessibility? Narrator didn't even become anything usable until Windows 8. It will never be up to the standards of a Window-Eyes, or even NVDA, because Microsoft absolutely does not want to do anything. Apple on the other hand, has at least implemented a fully featured screen reader and, on every device they create or ship, that screen reader is available. Voiceover far out does anything that Microsoft word called accessible. It is only because of companies like AI squared, that we even have an accessible experience on windows. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:11 PM, net bat via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: if you think apple , microsoft and other companies are comitted to accessibility think again. they caved in because of all the law suits from blind organisations and presher by the same organisations on the polatitions to pass laws to force accessibility on these companies. few are doing this out of the goodness of there hearts. if they don't comply they could be forced out of buisness. which will not happen because the polititions are in the back pocket of these companies. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:19 AM To: Talk Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check What's this second class citizen nonsense? What's this poor me attitude? I don't get it! The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the weather! No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the enemy not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on. The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds. Go figure! Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated. Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a whine list which makes me need a gin and tonic. I can't wait for the fixes to Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be available on a multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones, and who knows what else. And the great thing, Microsoft will have a single user interface across devices so I will need to learn only one set of commands to work with them all. Someone on this list just complained about the ribbon bar now in some more Windows apps; well, Microsoft is trying to unify its user interface and thus simplify the user experience. Yeah, people don't like to change; my sighted wife hates Word 2013 because she doesn't know how to use the ribbon bar, and she refuses to read my tutorial about it. That's her
Re: WE on a Win 10 clean install?`
Forgot to tell you if you do not have an SMA you will have to pay $49 to get 9.2 upgrade.. You have to have WE 9.2 on Win 10. If you have 9.1 you can order a CD for 9.2 or contact support for a link to download it. If you don't own 9.1 then you will have to pay for an upgrade to 9.2. - Original Message - From: Bill Holton billindel...@gmail.com To: 'Loy' loyrg2...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:21 PM Subject: RE: WE on a Win 10 clean install?` Yes, but the Disk I have does not support Win 10,, as I undersantd, and I am not sure if they have sent out 9.2 disks. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+billindeland=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:10 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: WE on a Win 10 clean install?` You have to do an upgrade before you can do a clean install, because you have to retrieve the Win 10 product key. However there is an option when upgrading to keep nothing, I don't know if that is equivalent to a clean install. If you have WE 9.1 you can order a CD of 9.2 or contact support and they can give you a download link for 9.2, but if yu are not current you will have to purchase the upgrade. - Original Message - From: Bill Holton via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:38 AM Subject: WE on a Win 10 clean install?` Hi. I have an old screen-broken laptop running Win 7. It is malware infested, really needs a clean install. If I install Win 10 and do a complete wipe, how can I get the latest WE? Can I do a download as well as an update? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gm ail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/billindeland%4 0gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Mallware Bytes
You can't. Tried the same thing myself. You need version 9. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Steve Sweeney via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 8:28 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Mallware Bytes Hi, Just downloaded the free version. When I open it all I can read with WE is the tital. I have maxamised the window but still can't read anything. I'm using 8.4. Any ideas? Thx -Steve ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
PROBLEM WITH WINDOWS 10 - ANYONE HELP PLEASE
Hi, I'm trying to help a company analyse a new portal (for confidentiality purposes I cannot say much more about it) however, it doesn't work with my Braillenote Apex due to its ancient IE6 browser. I have we9.2.1 and Windows 10 on my machine and as people know, Windows Edge isn't compatible yet, but everytime I sTart IE using the search fart on the start menu, it puts me in a search engine. What do I type now to put in a fresh web address - it used to be control t but I did this and after a few keystrokes about four, it was already searching and due to my lack of Windows 10 knowledge, I'm struggling to know what to do because I have a survey to fill in - I can answer question 1 easily but the rest afpertain to the portal I'm trying to get to so can't answer. I look forward to any help, thanks, Steve ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
FW: Accessibility: A Reality Check
-Original Message- From: Peter Duran [mailto:peterduran2...@outlook.com] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:33 PM To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'net bat' Subject: RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check You are apparently unaware of the history at Microsoft! Yeah, the Narrator program is a dog, so what. Nevertheless, Microsoft wanted to have accessible products, as Bill Gates announced at a Microsoft conference over a decade ago. That's why they invited the JAWS and Window-Eyes folks to participate in development work. Don't you remember the announcement a year or so ago from GW Micro when they unvaled their joint partnership of screen reader accessibility. Microsoft has bundled Window-Eyes with Office products and gives them a way free now; what more commitment do all of you expect from Microsoft? Peter Duran -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check Actually, the only communities that are legally discriminated against the communities that have people who are disabled. You actually think, that Microsoft cares about accessibility? Narrator didn't even become anything usable until Windows 8. It will never be up to the standards of a Window-Eyes, or even NVDA, because Microsoft absolutely does not want to do anything. Apple on the other hand, has at least implemented a fully featured screen reader and, on every device they create or ship, that screen reader is available. Voiceover far out does anything that Microsoft word called accessible. It is only because of companies like AI squared, that we even have an accessible experience on windows. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:11 PM, net bat via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: if you think apple , microsoft and other companies are comitted to accessibility think again. they caved in because of all the law suits from blind organisations and presher by the same organisations on the polatitions to pass laws to force accessibility on these companies. few are doing this out of the goodness of there hearts. if they don't comply they could be forced out of buisness. which will not happen because the polititions are in the back pocket of these companies. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:19 AM To: Talk Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check What's this second class citizen nonsense? What's this poor me attitude? I don't get it! The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the weather! No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the enemy not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on. The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds. Go figure! Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated. Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a whine list which makes me need a gin and tonic. I can't wait for the fixes to Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be available on a multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones, and who knows what else. And the great thing, Microsoft will have a single user interface across devices so I will need to learn only one set of commands to work with them all. Someone on this list just complained about the ribbon bar now in some more Windows apps; well, Microsoft is trying to unify its user interface and thus simplify the user experience. Yeah, people don't like to change; my sighted wife hates Word 2013 because she doesn't know how to use the ribbon bar, and she refuses to read my tutorial about it. That's her problem, not Microsoft's! Peter Duran
RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check
Hi Peter and all: Not only that, but Microsoft has chosen to make products accessible using a different model than Apple. Microsoft wants to make it possible for 3rd party vendors to develop accessible products, although the newer versions of Narrator since Windows 8 come much closer to what Apple did with VoiceOver. Did Microsoft mess up on the initial release of Windows Phone 7? Yes, but from what I have heard they are correcting that, though I've not seen an accessible Windows phone myself. Ray Campbell ray153...@gmail.com Skype: ray650315 Blog: farmers-boy.livejournal.com Twitter: @packerbackerray Facebook: www.facebook.com/packerbackerray Support the Illinois Council of the Blind at our GoFundMe page: www.gofundme.com/icb2015. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ray153056=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:33 PM To: 'Darrell Bowles' dgbow...@msn.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com; 'net bat' net...@comcast.net Subject: RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check You are apparently unaware of the history at Microsoft! Yeah, the Narrator program is a dog, so what. Nevertheless, Microsoft wanted to have accessible products, as Bill Gates announced at a Microsoft conference over a decade ago. That's why they invited the JAWS and Window-Eyes folks to participate in development work. Don't you remember the announcement a year or so ago from GW Micro when they unvaled their joint partnership of screen reader accessibility. Microsoft has bundled Window-Eyes with Office products and gives them a way free now; what more commitment do all of you expect from Microsoft? Peter Duran -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check Actually, the only communities that are legally discriminated against the communities that have people who are disabled. You actually think, that Microsoft cares about accessibility? Narrator didn't even become anything usable until Windows 8. It will never be up to the standards of a Window-Eyes, or even NVDA, because Microsoft absolutely does not want to do anything. Apple on the other hand, has at least implemented a fully featured screen reader and, on every device they create or ship, that screen reader is available. Voiceover far out does anything that Microsoft word called accessible. It is only because of companies like AI squared, that we even have an accessible experience on windows. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:11 PM, net bat via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: if you think apple , microsoft and other companies are comitted to accessibility think again. they caved in because of all the law suits from blind organisations and presher by the same organisations on the polatitions to pass laws to force accessibility on these companies. few are doing this out of the goodness of there hearts. if they don't comply they could be forced out of buisness. which will not happen because the polititions are in the back pocket of these companies. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:19 AM To: Talk Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check What's this second class citizen nonsense? What's this poor me attitude? I don't get it! The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the weather! No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the enemy not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on. The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds. Go figure! Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated.
slower in becky mail
Hi, With WE9.2 I have seen slowness in becky mail. This is in win10 32bit and win7 32bit. When the computer starts, I start Becky mail and go to the list of messages. There is a small delay when pressing arrow down to go to the next message. Restarting Becky mail does not matter. When restarting WE by pressing ctrl-alt-w, the small delay is away and arrowing in the listview is fast as allways. Can anyone reproduce this? Regards, Marten ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check
Tell me about it. As Master Yoda from Star Wars might say, patience, yes, yes. And I've never even used Windows 10 for te simple reason that I can't.I still have Windows Vista. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:19 AM To: Talk Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check What's this second class citizen nonsense? What's this poor me attitude? I don't get it! The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the weather! No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the enemy not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on. The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds. Go figure! Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated. Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a whine list which makes me need a gin and tonic. I can't wait for the fixes to Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be available on a multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones, and who knows what else. And the great thing, Microsoft will have a single user interface across devices so I will need to learn only one set of commands to work with them all. Someone on this list just complained about the ribbon bar now in some more Windows apps; well, Microsoft is trying to unify its user interface and thus simplify the user experience. Yeah, people don't like to change; my sighted wife hates Word 2013 because she doesn't know how to use the ribbon bar, and she refuses to read my tutorial about it. That's her problem, not Microsoft's! Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
How is iTunes doing with WE 9.2?
I am one of those holdouts who has been avoiding losing my sidebar by upgrading to the latest iTunes. Unfortunately, I am hoping to own one or more new gadgets soon that will require me to bite the bullet and learn the iTunes 12 for Windows interface. So, how do things stand now with the latest itunes and Window Eyes 9.2? I am trying to decide between holding out as long as possible and waiting to update until I have the new iOS device or whether I should just update and start learning how to use the new version so that I am used to it when I have to learn the ins and outs of a new device. Opinions? Am I the last iTunes 11 holdout? Thanks, Chris ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: slower in becky mail
Sorry, I am not using 9.2, but I am using 9.1 with Becky, and while I do not see sluggishness when Arrowing up or down in the list of email messages, I do have the speech go completely away at times. A few times, the speech comes back, but mostly, I end up needing to re boot. Three or four times, I have been able to re start 9.1 with the Alt Ctrl W command. Two or three times, I have had speech return without me doing anything but not touching the keyboard for a minute or more. I am a very quick typist, and sometimes I wonder if I am typing too fast for Win eyes to keep up? I do not have the Screen Reader speaking typed characters or words. -- Dave dlh...@centurylink.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: slower in becky mail
Hi chris, I use Becky, and you can find this email program by running a search for Becky email. It is not Free, but will cost you $40. There is a 30 day Trial period, and after that you get three screens that pop up every time you start Becky, telling you that Becky is not FreeWare, but that you need to purchase it etc. I didn't like Windows Live Mail, or Thunderbird. Becky is Alright. It works well, and I find the Spell Checker to work well enough. Someone on here was asking about how they could read which word is mis spelled, on my system, I just press, CTRL and the Number 5 key in the far right Number pad on most desk top keyboards. The same command to read the line. This tells me the mis spelled word. I then tab once to the Spelling suggestions, which is a list of about 20 possible words. Arrow up or down, till you find the correct word, press CTRL C and the mis spelled word has been replaced. Becky has its quirks, but I like it better than WLM or Thunderbird. But, your own Milage may vary. I'd give you the web site, but I just do not recall what it is. I found it easily enough by running a search for Becky email. The download was simple and the install was simple. Setting up the program was a bit more involved, and it took me a while to find where to type in the Ports and other settings. Mostly it was me just not knowing enough about what to look for, rather than a poor design of the program. -- Dave dlh...@centurylink.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Mouse keys are not working as they used to
Thanks for this tip, I've been complaining about this for a while and no one had told me this before. --- -- Original Message - From: Marc Solomon via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com To: Van Lant, Robin robin_van_l...@key.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:43 PM Subject: RE: Mouse keys are not working as they used to Robin, My first recommendation would be to try different Window-Eyes mouse boundaries to see if that helps. Maybe you accidentally changed the Window-Eyes mouse boundary to a setting that you normally don't use. The hotkey to cycle among the options is Control-Shift-B. Kind Regards, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:39 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Mouse keys are not working as they used to Hi - My mouse keys aren't working as they used to and I'm not sure what I may have done or what changed. I'm on Windows 7 64 bit and WE 9.1. I think this started a couple days ago, but I can't be sure. Here are some examples. 1. If I'm in a Windows Explorer view, hitting numpad 7 used to take me to the very top of the window on the title bar. Now hitting numpad 7 says top left, but it takes me to the beginning of the first file or folder name in the view. Numpad 1 takes me to the last folder or file. 2. In my Outlook 2010 inbox, I'm taken to the top of my inbox with the point sitting on one of the icons just left of From on the column headers. Numpad 1 takes me to the last message in my inbox. 3. I use Cisco Jabber for instant messaging and have to use mouse pointer to read much of it. Numpad 7 used to take me to the top of the window where I could use numpad 2 to go down the window and see who was messaging me and the status. I can't get this to work at all. I cannot figure out where the pointer goes when I hit numpad 7 and it just dings if I try to use mouse navigation afterward. This is the most problematic impact right now. 4. On the Desktop, numpad 7 does take me to the top left corner. From here, I get dings unless I have it set to line and then numpad 2 will read each line of icons. I don't normally use mouse keys on the desktop screen, so maybe this is normal function. 5. In Word 2010, numpad 7 takes me to an area off the document, at the far left just below all the tool bars. Any idea how to troubleshoot this? It's impacting my ability here at work. I already tried restarting WE to see if it was a fluke. Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit
RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check
Tom and others, I think you raised a very important point here. Many do not understand how very different the evolution of screen readers is between the Microsoft and the Apple platforms. In addition, many do not understand the much greater control Apple exercises over development within its platforms, especially IOS. Beyond that, I don't think it is accurate to either say that things are dramatically bad with Microsoft nor that they are perfect. While I have been involved with technology and the NFB for some time, I am not trying to state NFB policies, but rather my own observations. I think we have seen some slippage for the lack of a better term of Microsoft's attention to accessible lately, and that concern has been raised with them. While it is frustrating that the Edge Browser is not accessible, I agree with those who have pointed out that the Edge Browser is not really a good measure of the priority given to accessibility. It really is still an unfinished product. Windows Phone 7 is also not a good example of accessibility having a low priority. That was a sort of starting over for Microsoft in many ways, and we don't know where that is going to lead yet. However, there seem to be other cases where accessibility bugs have been left for the next major release of Office or the next release of the operating system even though previous releases are still officially supported. The inability to create or edit an Outlook 2013 signature is one example. This is related to another bug where the envelope addressing dialog has text that can't be read or edited in Word as well. For both of these issues, there are workarounds, but the less technical among us would have difficulty with them. We can probably accept that in most cases, these are not show stoppers, but it is also fair to ask, as has been done, how text not being accessible could slip through their process in the first place. One still feels that accessibility is an after-thought more than it should be. We can, with grattitude, applaud Microsoft's efforts to make each operating system release pretty accessible for the most part. Some of us get frustrated with how things change, but that frustrates many sighted people as well. Blind people are not the only ones who have adjusted slowly to the ribbon, for example, but that is really separate from accessibility, except possibly for the longer serious of keystrokes that must be used to carry out some functions. However, the pressure put on screen reader developers by the constant changing of the basic operating system leaves less time for other innovations. I don't know what the answer is for that. While it is true that we are a very, very small market and that there is really no reason to take us into account in a business model, we can't afford to let that happen. If we did, many of us would find ourselves unemployed. What has been done is to amplify our market share through legislation. Both NFB and ACB have played a role in this. Having laws in place gives us a lever to raise the priority we would otherwise not have. This isn't to say that there are not many good intentions within Microsoft, Apple, and other companies, but I fear we need more than good intentions to avoid falling too far behind.. The bottom line, though, is that we have to be smart in our approach to getting accessibility. As has been said, it isn't ever going to be perfect and we need to pick our battles. On the other hand, we already have more power than our market share alone would give us, and we have to make sure that we keep and even expand that power if we want to maintain our ability to be employed. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:10 PM To: Bryan Peterson; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check And one might argue that the immaculate conception of VoiceOver was due to the fact that Apple had/has a large presence in schools. Federal, state, municipal funding, and the law they invoke was the God of that birth. there's no law suit in these cases. They're simply banned if they do not conform. On 8/13/2015 2:50 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote: One might still argue that it was more a means to avoid lawsuits than anything else. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:33 AM To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'net bat' Subject: RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check You are apparently unaware of the history at Microsoft! Yeah, the Narrator program is a dog, so what. Nevertheless, Microsoft wanted to have accessible products, as Bill Gates announced at a Microsoft conference over a decade ago. That's why they invited the JAWS and Window-Eyes folks to participate
Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check
And one might argue that the immaculate conception of VoiceOver was due to the fact that Apple had/has a large presence in schools. Federal, state, municipal funding, and the law they invoke was the God of that birth. there's no law suit in these cases. They're simply banned if they do not conform. On 8/13/2015 2:50 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote: One might still argue that it was more a means to avoid lawsuits than anything else. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:33 AM To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'net bat' Subject: RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check You are apparently unaware of the history at Microsoft! Yeah, the Narrator program is a dog, so what. Nevertheless, Microsoft wanted to have accessible products, as Bill Gates announced at a Microsoft conference over a decade ago. That's why they invited the JAWS and Window-Eyes folks to participate in development work. Don't you remember the announcement a year or so ago from GW Micro when they unvaled their joint partnership of screen reader accessibility. Microsoft has bundled Window-Eyes with Office products and gives them a way free now; what more commitment do all of you expect from Microsoft? Peter Duran -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check Actually, the only communities that are legally discriminated against the communities that have people who are disabled. You actually think, that Microsoft cares about accessibility? Narrator didn't even become anything usable until Windows 8. It will never be up to the standards of a Window-Eyes, or even NVDA, because Microsoft absolutely does not want to do anything. Apple on the other hand, has at least implemented a fully featured screen reader and, on every device they create or ship, that screen reader is available. Voiceover far out does anything that Microsoft word called accessible. It is only because of companies like AI squared, that we even have an accessible experience on windows. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:11 PM, net bat via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: if you think apple , microsoft and other companies are comitted to accessibility think again. they caved in because of all the law suits from blind organisations and presher by the same organisations on the polatitions to pass laws to force accessibility on these companies. few are doing this out of the goodness of there hearts. if they don't comply they could be forced out of buisness. which will not happen because the polititions are in the back pocket of these companies. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:19 AM To: Talk Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check What's this second class citizen nonsense? What's this poor me attitude? I don't get it! The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the weather! No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the enemy not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on. The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds. Go figure! Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated. Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a whine list which makes me need a gin and tonic. I can't wait for the fixes to Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be available on a multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones, and who knows what else. And the great thing, Microsoft will have a single user interface across devices so I will need to learn only one set of commands to work with them all.
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Hey guys, I am having a serious problem, and am wondering if some of you guys have a solution. It's very annoying. I'm getting an error in firefox that keeps saying unresponsive plugin, shockwave may be busy and all that. How do i fix this problem. Is there any sort of way to give shockwave a kick to work? This is happening on a ton of web sights, and is very annoying. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check
It was still in an effort to avoid legal repercussions. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:10 PM To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check And one might argue that the immaculate conception of VoiceOver was due to the fact that Apple had/has a large presence in schools. Federal, state, municipal funding, and the law they invoke was the God of that birth. there's no law suit in these cases. They're simply banned if they do not conform. On 8/13/2015 2:50 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote: One might still argue that it was more a means to avoid lawsuits than anything else. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:33 AM To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'net bat' Subject: RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check You are apparently unaware of the history at Microsoft! Yeah, the Narrator program is a dog, so what. Nevertheless, Microsoft wanted to have accessible products, as Bill Gates announced at a Microsoft conference over a decade ago. That's why they invited the JAWS and Window-Eyes folks to participate in development work. Don't you remember the announcement a year or so ago from GW Micro when they unvaled their joint partnership of screen reader accessibility. Microsoft has bundled Window-Eyes with Office products and gives them a way free now; what more commitment do all of you expect from Microsoft? Peter Duran -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check Actually, the only communities that are legally discriminated against the communities that have people who are disabled. You actually think, that Microsoft cares about accessibility? Narrator didn't even become anything usable until Windows 8. It will never be up to the standards of a Window-Eyes, or even NVDA, because Microsoft absolutely does not want to do anything. Apple on the other hand, has at least implemented a fully featured screen reader and, on every device they create or ship, that screen reader is available. Voiceover far out does anything that Microsoft word called accessible. It is only because of companies like AI squared, that we even have an accessible experience on windows. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:11 PM, net bat via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: if you think apple , microsoft and other companies are comitted to accessibility think again. they caved in because of all the law suits from blind organisations and presher by the same organisations on the polatitions to pass laws to force accessibility on these companies. few are doing this out of the goodness of there hearts. if they don't comply they could be forced out of buisness. which will not happen because the polititions are in the back pocket of these companies. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:19 AM To: Talk Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check What's this second class citizen nonsense? What's this poor me attitude? I don't get it! The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the weather! No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the enemy not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on. The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds. Go figure! Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated. Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a whine list which makes me need a gin and tonic. I can't wait for the fixes to Windows 10;
Re: slower in becky mail
Hello, Here's a link. http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm thirty day free trial, then you can pay for the program. It's worth every cent. Joe On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 16:07:02 -0400 Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: I keep hearing about Becky Mail. Can someone tell me more about this? Where do I download it, and is it free? Chris. --- Visit me online: http://www.clgproductions.net - Original Message - From: Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:28 PM Subject: slower in becky mail Hi, With WE9.2 I have seen slowness in becky mail. This is in win10 32bit and win7 32bit. When the computer starts, I start Becky mail and go to the list of messages. There is a small delay when pressing arrow down to go to the next message. Restarting Becky mail does not matter. When restarting WE by pressing ctrl-alt-w, the small delay is away and arrowing in the listview is fast as allways. Can anyone reproduce this? Regards, Marten ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/clgilland07%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/joe%40vi-ability.demon.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com -- Joe Paton j...@vi-ability.demon.co.uk ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check
No. It was Master Po who said, patience Grasshopper. Hehheh! On 8/13/2015 2:44 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote: Tell me about it. As Master Yoda from Star Wars might say, patience, yes, yes. And I've never even used Windows 10 for te simple reason that I can't.I still have Windows Vista. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:19 AM To: Talk Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check What's this second class citizen nonsense? What's this poor me attitude? I don't get it! The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the weather! No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the enemy not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on. The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds. Go figure! Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated. Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a whine list which makes me need a gin and tonic. I can't wait for the fixes to Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be available on a multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones, and who knows what else. And the great thing, Microsoft will have a single user interface across devices so I will need to learn only one set of commands to work with them all. Someone on this list just complained about the ribbon bar now in some more Windows apps; well, Microsoft is trying to unify its user interface and thus simplify the user experience. Yeah, people don't like to change; my sighted wife hates Word 2013 because she doesn't know how to use the ribbon bar, and she refuses to read my tutorial about it. That's her problem, not Microsoft's! Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: slower in becky mail
I keep hearing about Becky Mail. Can someone tell me more about this? Where do I download it, and is it free? Chris. --- Visit me online: http://www.clgproductions.net - Original Message - From: Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:28 PM Subject: slower in becky mail Hi, With WE9.2 I have seen slowness in becky mail. This is in win10 32bit and win7 32bit. When the computer starts, I start Becky mail and go to the list of messages. There is a small delay when pressing arrow down to go to the next message. Restarting Becky mail does not matter. When restarting WE by pressing ctrl-alt-w, the small delay is away and arrowing in the listview is fast as allways. Can anyone reproduce this? Regards, Marten ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/clgilland07%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check
So are wheelchair ramps and guide dogs being let into public places. Yet both work for disabled folks. At 03:31 PM 8/13/2015, you wrote: It was still in an effort to avoid legal repercussions. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:10 PM To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check And one might argue that the immaculate conception of VoiceOver was due to the fact that Apple had/has a large presence in schools. Federal, state, municipal funding, and the law they invoke was the God of that birth. there's no law suit in these cases. They're simply banned if they do not conform. On 8/13/2015 2:50 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote: One might still argue that it was more a means to avoid lawsuits than anything else. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:33 AM To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'net bat' Subject: RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check You are apparently unaware of the history at Microsoft! Yeah, the Narrator program is a dog, so what. Nevertheless, Microsoft wanted to have accessible products, as Bill Gates announced at a Microsoft conference over a decade ago. That's why they invited the JAWS and Window-Eyes folks to participate in development work. Don't you remember the announcement a year or so ago from GW Micro when they unvaled their joint partnership of screen reader accessibility. Microsoft has bundled Window-Eyes with Office products and gives them a way free now; what more commitment do all of you expect from Microsoft? Peter Duran -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check Actually, the only communities that are legally discriminated against the communities that have people who are disabled. You actually think, that Microsoft cares about accessibility? Narrator didn't even become anything usable until Windows 8. It will never be up to the standards of a Window-Eyes, or even NVDA, because Microsoft absolutely does not want to do anything. Apple on the other hand, has at least implemented a fully featured screen reader and, on every device they create or ship, that screen reader is available. Voiceover far out does anything that Microsoft word called accessible. It is only because of companies like AI squared, that we even have an accessible experience on windows. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:11 PM, net bat via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: if you think apple , microsoft and other companies are comitted to accessibility think again. they caved in because of all the law suits from blind organisations and presher by the same organisations on the polatitions to pass laws to force accessibility on these companies. few are doing this out of the goodness of there hearts. if they don't comply they could be forced out of buisness. which will not happen because the polititions are in the back pocket of these companies. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:19 AM To: Talk Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check What's this second class citizen nonsense? What's this poor me attitude? I don't get it! The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the weather! No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the enemy not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on. The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds. Go figure! Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated. Every time GW Micro releases a major
RE: Mouse keys are not working as they used to
Robin, My first recommendation would be to try different Window-Eyes mouse boundaries to see if that helps. Maybe you accidentally changed the Window-Eyes mouse boundary to a setting that you normally don't use. The hotkey to cycle among the options is Control-Shift-B. Kind Regards, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:39 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Mouse keys are not working as they used to Hi - My mouse keys aren't working as they used to and I'm not sure what I may have done or what changed. I'm on Windows 7 64 bit and WE 9.1. I think this started a couple days ago, but I can't be sure. Here are some examples. 1. If I'm in a Windows Explorer view, hitting numpad 7 used to take me to the very top of the window on the title bar. Now hitting numpad 7 says top left, but it takes me to the beginning of the first file or folder name in the view. Numpad 1 takes me to the last folder or file. 2. In my Outlook 2010 inbox, I'm taken to the top of my inbox with the point sitting on one of the icons just left of From on the column headers. Numpad 1 takes me to the last message in my inbox. 3. I use Cisco Jabber for instant messaging and have to use mouse pointer to read much of it. Numpad 7 used to take me to the top of the window where I could use numpad 2 to go down the window and see who was messaging me and the status. I can't get this to work at all. I cannot figure out where the pointer goes when I hit numpad 7 and it just dings if I try to use mouse navigation afterward. This is the most problematic impact right now. 4. On the Desktop, numpad 7 does take me to the top left corner. From here, I get dings unless I have it set to line and then numpad 2 will read each line of icons. I don't normally use mouse keys on the desktop screen, so maybe this is normal function. 5. In Word 2010, numpad 7 takes me to an area off the document, at the far left just below all the tool bars. Any idea how to troubleshoot this? It's impacting my ability here at work. I already tried restarting WE to see if it was a fluke. Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: unresponsive plugin
This has plagued me for ages. I'll watch this thread. Joe On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 16:31:28 -0400 Jed Barton via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: Hey guys, I am having a serious problem, and am wondering if some of you guys have a solution. It's very annoying. I'm getting an error in firefox that keeps saying unresponsive plugin, shockwave may be busy and all that. How do i fix this problem. Is there any sort of way to give shockwave a kick to work? This is happening on a ton of web sights, and is very annoying. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/joe%40vi-ability.demon.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com -- Joe Paton j...@vi-ability.demon.co.uk ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: unresponsive plugin
Jed, If you don't care about watching Flash based video content on the web in Firefox, then your best option would be to disable the Shockwave Flash plugin. This will prevent the plugin from running and crashing. If you want to do this, open the Tools menu in Firefox with Alt-T. Down Arrow to Add-ons and press Enter. A new tab will open in Firefox. Turn Browse Mode off and then Tab until you hear Extensions. Down Arrow until Plugins is selected. Then Tab until you reach the list of plugins. Next, Down Arrow until you find Shockwave Flash. Tab to the pull down menu that says Always Activate. Down Arrow to select Never Activate. Restart (exit and re-open) Firefox and the plugin should be disabled. Regards, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:31 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: unresponsive plugin Hey guys, I am having a serious problem, and am wondering if some of you guys have a solution. It's very annoying. I'm getting an error in firefox that keeps saying unresponsive plugin, shockwave may be busy and all that. How do i fix this problem. Is there any sort of way to give shockwave a kick to work? This is happening on a ton of web sights, and is very annoying. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: unresponsive plugin
Manny, If you could send me an e mail directly, I would like to talk to you about a duel boot computer system. Thank you. George n3...@arrl.net -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+n3hbt2=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of manny via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:38 PM To: j...@jedbarton.com; Jed Barton; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: unresponsive plugin Hi Bill, I get the same thing. I just copy the link and use internet explorer. -- Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. ** ** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** ** computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.2 , Dell xps420 Windows 7 home premium, with dual boot to windows 10 with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad core drivers and software updated. Software recommended: Firefox, Thunderbird, security: Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, Ninite updater, and Driver buster (which you need sighted help because it is all graphic, but works great for updating drivers.) On 8/13/2015 10:31 AM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote: Hey guys, I am having a serious problem, and am wondering if some of you guys have a solution. It's very annoying. I'm getting an error in firefox that keeps saying unresponsive plugin, shockwave may be busy and all that. How do i fix this problem. Is there any sort of way to give shockwave a kick to work? This is happening on a ton of web sights, and is very annoying. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mauiman01%40ho tmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/n3hbt2%40veriz on.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Lost Windows 10 sounds
Hi. This morning while perusing the interface to figure out how to check for updates manually, I unintentionally created a problem of having lost all sounds. Here's what happened. I discovered a cumulative update for Windows 10, and decided to manually restart the computer to install it rather than wait until 2:30 a.m. tomorrow morning for the computer to shut down and restart itself. I pressed the restart button to restart the machine and install the update. Now, after the computer restarted, no sounds are generated. Narrator won't even launch. I called the Microsoft disability answer desk and my sighted nephew could see the desktop icons and even do a remote session with the representative. My nephew was on the phone for about an hour and no progress was made. The issue has supposedly been escalated to a higher level technician for a call back or an e-mail to resolve the issue. This issue happened using Window-eyes 9.2 under Windows 10 on a Dell Xps-8500 desktop pc. My Dell Xps-501-L laptop is working fine after installing the update or else I wouldn't be able to send this e-mail, smile. I hope someone on this list can help. I wonder if the installation of the update when the machine was restarted caused the sounds to be muted. ? Mike M. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: unresponsive plugin
Hi Bill, I get the same thing. I just copy the link and use internet explorer. -- Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. ** ** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** ** computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.2 , Dell xps420 Windows 7 home premium, with dual boot to windows 10 with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad core drivers and software updated. Software recommended: Firefox, Thunderbird, security: Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, Ninite updater, and Driver buster (which you need sighted help because it is all graphic, but works great for updating drivers.) On 8/13/2015 10:31 AM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote: Hey guys, I am having a serious problem, and am wondering if some of you guys have a solution. It's very annoying. I'm getting an error in firefox that keeps saying unresponsive plugin, shockwave may be busy and all that. How do i fix this problem. Is there any sort of way to give shockwave a kick to work? This is happening on a ton of web sights, and is very annoying. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mauiman01%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Windows 10 lag
I believe you have said that you had the same problem I had with Windows 10 and a progressive lag time while in file explorer. Trying to figure this whole thing out. Doug at Aisquared now says he knows of three users with this issue. Do you have Open book installed on your computer? Do you have a Synaptics touch pad? What Graphics card do you have? In my case I have Open Book installed and have a Synaptics touch pad that also had issues when I had Windows 10 installed. I have a external mouse plugged in and have it set to disable the touch pad when it is plugged in. When I had Windows 10 installed this setting would not stick so the touch pad was enabled on each restart of the computer. I have Intel HD 4600 on board graphics. I am considering taking Doug up on his offer of sending him my laptop to try to figure out the problem. I sent GW my desktop in the past when I had WE issues that they claimed were computer issues and not WE issues. Turned out it was a WE issue and they got it working. Later Don Hert Quincy IL. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
win10 new tablet on the market
Hi GW-micro Staff, This morning I came across the following link: http://betanews.com/2015/08/13/tesco-windows-10-tablet/ My question is: can Window-Eyes works reliable on such machine specifications? Mainly because its tablet limited memory. Thank you, Michael Micallef Dip I.T. Officer in Charge of Web Accessibility Audits and ICT Training Malta Information Technology Accessibility (FITA) Gattard House. National Road, Blata Il-Bajda HMR 9010 Email: mailto:michael.mical...@gov.mt michael.mical...@gov.mt Office: +356 2599 2343 Mob: +356 79421278 URL: http://www.fitamalta.eu/ http://www.fitamalta.eu FITA: http://www.fitamalta.eu/ http://www.fitamalta.eu Please read our Legal Notice: http://emailpolicy.mita.gov.mt/ http://emailpolicy.mita.gov.mt Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: WE on a Win 10 clean install?`
You have to do an upgrade before you can do a clean install, because you have to retrieve the Win 10 product key. However there is an option when upgrading to keep nothing, I don't know if that is equivalent to a clean install. If you have WE 9.1 you can order a CD of 9.2 or contact support and they can give you a download link for 9.2, but if yu are not current you will have to purchase the upgrade. - Original Message - From: Bill Holton via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:38 AM Subject: WE on a Win 10 clean install?` Hi. I have an old screen-broken laptop running Win 7. It is malware infested, really needs a clean install. If I install Win 10 and do a complete wipe, how can I get the latest WE? Can I do a download as well as an update? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check
if you think apple , microsoft and other companies are comitted to accessibility think again. they caved in because of all the law suits from blind organisations and presher by the same organisations on the polatitions to pass laws to force accessibility on these companies. few are doing this out of the goodness of there hearts. if they don't comply they could be forced out of buisness. which will not happen because the polititions are in the back pocket of these companies. -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:19 AM To: Talk Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check What's this second class citizen nonsense? What's this poor me attitude? I don't get it! The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the weather! No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the enemy not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on. The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds. Go figure! Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated. Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a whine list which makes me need a gin and tonic. I can't wait for the fixes to Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be available on a multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones, and who knows what else. And the great thing, Microsoft will have a single user interface across devices so I will need to learn only one set of commands to work with them all. Someone on this list just complained about the ribbon bar now in some more Windows apps; well, Microsoft is trying to unify its user interface and thus simplify the user experience. Yeah, people don't like to change; my sighted wife hates Word 2013 because she doesn't know how to use the ribbon bar, and she refuses to read my tutorial about it. That's her problem, not Microsoft's! Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: WE on a Win 10 clean install?`
Loy, … You can also use Belarc to extract license keys for all products installed on your system. See: Belarc Advisor - Free Personal PC Audit, for software … https://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjauact=8ved=0CB8QFjAAahUKEwiW2P38uabHAhUSFpIKHbbMDTEurl=http://www.belarc.com/free_download.htmlei=SsLMVZaLB5KsyAS2mbeIAwusg=AFQjCNF6BRLD0hRMkv_v2HBM3686KBrBZgsig2=T4haJGrUJ7U0TCdi5Lz9-Abvm=bv.99804247,d.aWw On 2015Aug 13, at 11:09, Loy via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: You have to do an upgrade before you can do a clean install, because you have to retrieve the Win 10 product key. However there is an option when upgrading to keep nothing, I don't know if that is equivalent to a clean install. If you have WE 9.1 you can order a CD of 9.2 or contact support and they can give you a download link for 9.2, but if yu are not current you will have to purchase the upgrade. - Original Message - From: Bill Holton via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:38 AM Subject: WE on a Win 10 clean install?` Hi. I have an old screen-broken laptop running Win 7. It is malware infested, really needs a clean install. If I install Win 10 and do a complete wipe, how can I get the latest WE? Can I do a download as well as an update? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/gregg%40ricis.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com P.S. Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. -- 73' 75' Gregory D. Rosenberg AB9MZ gr...@ricis.com RICIS, Inc. 7849 Bristol Park Drive Tinley Park, IL 60477-4594 http://www.ricis.com 708-267-6664 Cell 708-444-2690 Office 708-444-1115 Fax (Please call before sending a fax) ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
clean install of windows 10 and w e.
will w e 9.0 even install on windows 10? every time i have done a in place install of any version of windows i had too many problems. windows 10 is no different. i can't use one drive. administrator permissions change and will not allow access to the one drive folders. so i can't download any of the files from the server. i can't change system sounds for the same reason. access denied. i don't have these problems with my windows 10 tablet. if i could at least get w e 9.0 it installed then install 9.2 over it then i would be able to do a fresh install of windows 10. i don't have a 9.2 disk. i wish aisquared would have a downloadable full installation iso i could burn to disk. besides saveing time over the mail it would help to save the envirinment. There's amazing intelligence in the Universe. You can tell because none of them ever called Earth. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
WE on a Win 10 clean install?`
Hi. I have an old screen-broken laptop running Win 7. It is malware infested, really needs a clean install. If I install Win 10 and do a complete wipe, how can I get the latest WE? Can I do a download as well as an update? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: WE on a Win 10 clean install?`
Bil, As long as your maintenance is current you can get the latest product. Although if you are under maintenance you should have received a DVD in the mail as I did. They charge $199 for maintenance which entitles you to two version upgrades during the course of a year. On 2015Aug 13, at 10:38, Bill Holton via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: Hi. I have an old screen-broken laptop running Win 7. It is malware infested, really needs a clean install. If I install Win 10 and do a complete wipe, how can I get the latest WE? Can I do a download as well as an update? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/gregg%40ricis.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com P.S. Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. -- 73' 75' Gregory D. Rosenberg AB9MZ gr...@ricis.com RICIS, Inc. 7849 Bristol Park Drive Tinley Park, IL 60477-4594 http://www.ricis.com 708-267-6664 Cell 708-444-2690 Office 708-444-1115 Fax (Please call before sending a fax) ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: WE on a Win 10 clean install?`
You have to do an upgrade before you can do a clean install, because you have to retrieve the Win 10 product key. However there is an option when upgrading to keep nothing, I don't know if that is equivalent to a clean install. - Original Message - From: Bill Holton via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:38 AM Subject: WE on a Win 10 clean install?` Hi. I have an old screen-broken laptop running Win 7. It is malware infested, really needs a clean install. If I install Win 10 and do a complete wipe, how can I get the latest WE? Can I do a download as well as an update? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
