RE: App updates

[John Farley via Talk]

Hi Olusegun,

Thank you for confirming this.

>From what I have read about VFO they will have a very tight agreement with
the ex GW-Micro key partners and employees. I understand that competing
products are not their favoured option and VFO lawyers will do all they can
to prevent any deviation from their wishes.

If Doug etc. will have the energy to start again and potentially hit legal
buffers from VFO can only be left to their decision.

As far as my use of software over many years is concerned the demise of
Window-Eyes was the most dissapointing   change that has occured. 

This seems a strange concept for the USA as competition is usually the way
to improve productivity and reduce prices.



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-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
[mailto:ukekearu...@valtdnet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 4:57 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Cussons, M.
(Mark)'
Subject: RE: App updates

John, you are absolutely right!  Sometimes, once a company has been bought
and sold, the previous owner(s) may not even be allowed to ever start
another business in the same market.  It all depends on how the lawyers word
the signed agreement(s) and whether or not the signed document(s) is/are
acceptable to the seller(s).  

It's possible that Doug may never again touch Window-Eyes, but, if he so
desires and has sufficient financial backing, he could CREATE A BRAND-NEW
accessible something and name it whatever he cares!  

A case in point:  After Arkenstone, developer of Openbook died, its previous
owner created Bookshare!  

Law is a donkey, and it does a poor job of riding itself to town!  Looks
good on paper, but a trillion loopholes for any person who cares to give it
a shake.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: App updates

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Mark,

Clearly I have no idea of any undertakings that Doug might have made when he
left the employment of VFO. However, it would be usual business practice in
the UK for an undertaking not to take part in the development of any
competing products within a specified period after employment has been
terminated. I would doubt if such a period of time has elapsed yet. Note
that I do not know if such practice takes place in the USA.

There must be a reason why the previous key personnel of GW-Micro are not
seen on any lists any more.



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-Original Message-
From: Cussons, M. (Mark) [mailto:mar...@nedbank.co.za] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 7:30 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: App updates

HI All,
Definintely interested!!  And I wonder, now that Doug has left VFO, maybe
he's trying to get backing to continue window eyes journey??  I really hope
so, for it's a far superior product to jaws.  The only thing counting in
jaws favour in my humble opinion now, is its OCR feature!!  
Lets revive window eyes, and keep it going!
Thanks to those techies like Rod who can help us with this!
Warm Regards 
Mark 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+markcu=nedcor.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: 06 September 2017 12:27 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: John Farley
Subject: RE: App updates

Rod,

Yes, I am interested. I intend to continue to use Window-Eyes for as long as
it continues to work to my satisfaction.

Thank you for your work on this.


Regards, John

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:52 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: App updates

Hi everyone,

I have updates for a couple of my apps, and even a new app or two, but VFO
is no longer accepting app submissions.
Is anyone still interested enough in Window-Eyes to wish for someone to set
up an independent website for the purpose of app updates?
I am trying to get a handle on who is still interested in receiving support
for Window-Eyes, and so please circulate this question to any Window-Eyes
users you know.

Sincere thanks,

Rod Hutton
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RE: App updates

[John Farley via Talk]

Rod,

Yes, I am interested. I intend to continue to use Window-Eyes for as long as
it continues to work to my satisfaction.

Thank you for your work on this.


Regards, John

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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:52 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: App updates

Hi everyone,

I have updates for a couple of my apps, and even a new app or two, but VFO
is no longer accepting app submissions.
Is anyone still interested enough in Window-Eyes to wish for someone to set
up an independent website for the purpose of app updates?
I am trying to get a handle on who is still interested in receiving support
for Window-Eyes, and so please circulate this question to any Window-Eyes
users you know.

Sincere thanks,

Rod Hutton
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RE: updated all of my 35 apps

[John Farley via Talk]

Dear Jeff,

Some of us do intend to use Window-Eyes as long as it is viable.

Would it be possible to place your updated apps on a public folder somewhere 
where we could still access them?
 


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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:08 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps

I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps.  From 
the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed.
Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary 
termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using.
I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates 
will be approved.
Jeff Weiss



From: Bryan Carver 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM
To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com 
Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps

Hi Jeff,

I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be 
posting any further updates for apps.

 

Best Regards,

Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified

VFO� | Director Technical Support

11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716

T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026

bcar...@vfogroup.com

www.vfogroup.com

How am I doing?  Let

Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know!

 

 

From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM
To: wesupp...@aisquared.com
Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps

 

I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on 
App Central.  It�s been several days, and I have not heard anything�nor have I 
seen the updated apps come out.  I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any 
error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired.  Please 
allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem.

Thanks,

Jeff Weiss

jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net

 

 

 

 

From: Jeff Weiss 

Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM

To: wesupp...@aisquared.com 

Subject: updated all of my 35 apps

 

I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work.  

Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home 
email address.

The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows:

 

AppsActive

version 2.3

 

AssertiveChristian

Version 1.1

 

BrailleQuiz

Version 1.7

 

BrowseModeStatus

version 1.3

 

Celebrate 

Version 1.1

 

Christmas

version 1.3

 

DailyBlessings

version 2.0

 

DailyProverbs

version 1.3

 

Daily Psalms

version 1.1

 

EasterBlessing

version 1.1

 

ErrorList

version 1.7

 

FreeSpace

version 1.8

 

GivingThanks

version 1.1

 

GodsValentine

version 1.4

 

Happiness 

Version 1.1

 

HushNow

version 1.4

 

LunarLander

version 1.4

 

MissionImpossible

version 1.5

 

MusicMenu

Version 1.6

 

OutlookSaveAllAttachments

version 1.3

 

PlayBack

version 1.6

 

PrayerForTheDay

version 1.4

 

PrimeNumbers

version 1.2

 

PromisesOfGod

version 1.4

 

RefreshSets

version 1.4

 

RomanNumerals

version 1.4

 

ScriptComments

version 1.1

 

Spelling Practice 

Version 1.1

 

SpellingTest

version 1.7

 

StatesGame

version 1.5

 

TextToClip

version 1.8

 

TwelveGifts

version 1.4

 

WEHotkeys

version 1.5

 

WEPMInfo

version 1.5

 

WordScramble

version 1.7

 

Thanks,

Jeff Weiss

jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net
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RE: JAWS discussion list

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello,

Here is the signature information from mails on the JAWS discussion list:

--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to j...@groups.io
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw+unsubscr...@groups.io
Archives located at: http://www.groups.io/g/jfw/threads
Alternative archives located at:
http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html

If you have any concerns about the list, posts received from the list, or
the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact
the list owner at jfw+ow...@groups.io.
-=-=-
Change Your Subscription: https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/editsub/19452
Group Home: https://jfw.groups.io/g/main
Contact Group Owner: main+ow...@jfw.groups.io
Terms of Service: https://groups.io/static/tos
Unsubscribe: https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/leave/653973/1756699526/xyzzy
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


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-Original Message-
From: JOHN RIEHL [mailto:realma...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 12:28 PM
To: 'Dennis Long'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; john_far...@btinternet.com
Subject: RE: JAWS discussion list

To get back to the original question -- clearly JAWS is being discussed on
this list. What I was curious about is if there's another list with
long-time JAWS users on it, a list like this list that I can subscribe to. 
 Thanks. John 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+realman02=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 5:54 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: JAWS discussion list

If you suggest it be dropped aren't you contributing to it by replying?
Hmmm didn't think about that?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 5:48 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: JAWS discussion list

Hello Olusegun,

At no point in my statement did I attack freedom of expression, only if the
signature was appropriate for this list. I, too, fully believe that freedom
of expression is a human right which should not be denied to anyone.

In the UK it is apparent from our own news channels, the various US news
media that we have access to and Americans I know very well that there is
still a level of controversy about the current US head of state.

In light of that the signature I have questioned is an overtly political
statement which not all US citizens would agree with.
That was my sole reason for questioning the validity of the signature. 

I suggest that the subject should be dropped from this list.


Regards, John

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 2:31 AM
To: 'brice Mijares'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: JAWS discussion list

Mr. Riehl, you probably already know that Window-Eyes is dead although you
can keep using it until it is finally buried following a funeral service
when all friends, family, and well-wishers of the screen reader gather
together.  Jaws is its replacement and, since V F O is SLOWLY MOVING folks
over to Jaws, this list might as well discuss both screen readers so as to
make the transition easier for all!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: JAWS discussion list

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Olusegun,

At no point in my statement did I attack freedom of expression, only if the
signature was appropriate for this list. I, too, fully believe that freedom
of expression is a human right which should not be denied to anyone.

In the UK it is apparent from our own news channels, the various US news
media that we have access to and Americans I know very well that there is
still a level of controversy about the current US head of state.

In light of that the signature I have questioned is an overtly political
statement which not all US citizens would agree with.
That was my sole reason for questioning the validity of the signature. 

I suggest that the subject should be dropped from this list.


Regards, John

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 2:31 AM
To: 'brice Mijares'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: JAWS discussion list

Mr. Riehl, you probably already know that Window-Eyes is dead although you
can keep using it until it is finally buried following a funeral service
when all friends, family, and well-wishers of the screen reader gather
together.  Jaws is its replacement and, since V F O is SLOWLY MOVING folks
over to Jaws, this list might as well discuss both screen readers so as to
make the transition easier for all!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: Political Statement on list, was) RE: Where to find JFW Scripts

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Olusegun,

At no point in my statement did I attack freedom of expression, only if the
signature was appropriate for this list. I, too, fully believe that freedom
of expression is a human right which should not be denied to anyone.

In the UK it is apparent from our own news channels, the various US news
media that we have access to and Americans I know very well that there is
still a level of controversy about the current US head of state.

In light of that the signature I have questioned is an overtly political
statement which not all US citizens would agree with.
That was my sole reason for questioning the validity of the signature. 

I suggest that the subject should be dropped from this list.


Regards, John

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-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
[mailto:ukekearu...@valtdnet.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 1:32 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Political Statement on list, was) RE: Where to find JFW Scripts

Hello Mr. Farley:

Freedom of Expression, Speech, Assembly, Religion and a trillion other
freedoms exist.  That's the case at least in a Western plural democracy to
which many of us subscribe either by doctrine, or through whatever informed
decisions we elect to make.

The only freedom humans do not have is FREEDOM FROM DEATH!  If they do, the
most powerful and well-situated ones amongst us would have purchased it all
for themselves and their heirs alive and yet unborn!  So, sire, let whatever
FREEDOM there is ring from the hilltops, through the prairies, mountains,
cliffs, lakes, rivers, oceans near and far, below and above the sky, and
everywhere humans dare to set their feet.  

It is true that my freedom begins where the first person's stops; however,
NOT very many humans recognise this for a fact and the cacophonous rumblings
continue.  Let FREEDOM ring; let each person elect to hear the pealing
sounds of its bell, or else ignore.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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Political Statement on list, was) RE: Where to find JFW Scripts

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello list,

While I, as a UK resident, realise that there are a great many members of
this list that are patriotic citizens of the USA is the following sign-off
really a suitable statement for what is, after all, a global list for
visually impaired people all trying to help each other. 
I certainly do not think so and would rather not see other list members
political opinions on this list. There are other lists for such statements.


Now follows the sign-off:
 

>From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First.
President Donald Trump, Inaugural Address, 1/20/17

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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[John Farley via Talk]

Steve,

You are a business man running a company which happens to handle products
associated with blind access technology. That is how you make your living.  

If a person wishes to make use of your services then it is incumbent on them
to pay whatever level of fee you and they agree is appropriate for that
service. 

All other services are paid for, why not this one.
I always expected to get paid when I was working in IT, why shouldn't I.

What is special about it being a service for blind people; we are not that
different to the rest of the world, we just have less ability to see than
others.
Let a sighted person get driving lessons from a professional and see if they
can get that for nothing.

For both kinds of things you can also get a well-meaning friend to help you
out but that will not always be of the same level of competence.

Best of luck Steve.



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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:33 PM
To: 'Tom Kingston'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

Hi Tom,

Seems we're not allowed to make money.  I offer the service for people who
want to get up and running quickly with their screen reader, without asking
endless questions.

Yes, of course it's all out there for free, but why not even unsubscribe
from this list and just use the inbuilt JAWS help?  I think the more
services there are, the better, whether free or not.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: 30 May 2017 02:40
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

According to this mentality there shouldn't be a charge for anything. 
How many things in your life don't help you out in one way or another?

On 5/29/2017 11:38 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time
>
> Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time
>
> I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!
>
> For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.
>
> Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.
>
> No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning
to Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
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RE: Jaws migration

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Jo.

Sorry migration is not quite that easy.

Window-Eyes will remain on your PC / laptop until you remove it.

You will get various e-mails from VFO group telling you that you will be 
migrated and providing a JAWS activation code for you to allow JAWS to run for 
more than the 40 minutes default demo time.
You will need to download the JAWS installation program to your computer 
yourself from where they tell you.

From what you have said you should already have received these e-mails.
Are they in your junk folder?
  

Regards, John

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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Jo Taliaferro via Talk
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 1:28 PM
To: Talk
Subject: Jaws migration

Hello, yesterday Friday I went online again and try to submit my form once more 
as I had not heard from the Jazz team. I got the message that I was already 
migrated. But� I still see window eyes and i'm not sure how to get jars set up 
or where to find it on my laptop computer. Thanks for any help. Just direct me 
to a link as I am late in the game. Thanks yes I mean jaws

Jo Taliaferro 
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RE: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[John Farley via Talk]

And what value did this add?



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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:09 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But,
why couldn't most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks
figure that out for yourselves?

That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as
well as stupid people embrace "fake news" with equal relish.  Why is that?

Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is "doing a good job"
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and
that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately
half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will
believe "crazy stuff" if asserted by a "figure of authority".

Peter Duran





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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[John Farley via Talk]

Richard,

You have missed the point again.
These people you would like to work from home will require paying; they will 
not do it for nothing.
Not only that, if they are working from home their employers may well need to 
supply their kit and internet access for them to ensure the correct level of 
security is available.
Either that or the service company works shifts to provide a greater level of 
hours covered. 
That will cost.

If your need is that urgent then it may be incumbent on you to call them during 
their working hours.
 


Regards, John

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-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75) [mailto:rkur...@schools.nyc.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:44 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing 
something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't 
fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more 
than I do and people like you should help other 
blind people by giving them hands on training if 
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all 
>need different things.  I am a computer 
>engineer, so I need access to some of the more 
>advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my 
>various software development tools.  Screen 
>readers are there to help all of us.  And that 
>means having lots of features that some of us 
>will use and that others will not. Best, Juan 
>Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 
>(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | 
>Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original 
>Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ 
>Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes 
>Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I 
>don't like that either if this what does happen. 
>I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 
>and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my 
>client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as 
>I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel 
>that screne readers should be made as simple as 
>possible? -Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 
>May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt 
><st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' 
><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
>List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: 
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all 
>of the graphics were labeled in the windows live 
>mail app. When I arrow up and down in the 
>windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
>things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It 
>does in window eyes. -Original Messag

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[John Farley via Talk]

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more 
than I do and people like you should help other 
blind people by giving them hands on training if 
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all 
>need different things.  I am a computer 
>engineer, so I need access to some of the more 
>advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my 
>various software development tools.  Screen 
>readers are there to help all of us.  And that 
>means having lots of features that some of us 
>will use and that others will not. Best, Juan 
>Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 
>(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | 
>Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original 
>Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ 
>Kiehne ; Window-Eyes 
>Discussion List  
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I 
>don't like that either if this what does happen. 
>I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 
>and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my 
>client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as 
>I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel 
>that screne readers should be made as simple as 
>possible? -Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 
>May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt 
>; 'Dennis Long' 
>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
>List'  Subject: Re: 
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all 
>of the graphics were labeled in the windows live 
>mail app. When I arrow up and down in the 
>windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
>things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It 
>does in window eyes. -Original Message- 
>From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 
>2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes 
>Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to 
>JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you 
>want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web 
>than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not 
>configurable enough. All the best Steve 
>-Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 
>2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' 
>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
>List'  Cc: 
>'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: RE: 
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one 
>or two user won't make a difference.  You get 
>what you pay for or don't pay for.  NVDA is 
>nowhere as good as Jaws! -Original 
>Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: 
>Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To: 
>aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion 
>List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration 
>If you really want to send a message to VFO, 
>either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to 
>NVDA! -Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
>via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: 
>'Doug Geoffray' ; 
>'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: RE: 
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there 
>any chance another company could buy window-eyes 
>and keep it developing in to the great screen 
>reader it is now? What a 

RE: whole migrating situation

[John Farley via Talk]

Richard,

Let's move away from the screen reader aspect here slightly.

What you are really asking for is for some hands on training on a new purchase 
to be provided as part of the purchase price. It certainly cannot be provided 
at any cost to the company employing the trainer.

Would you, in fact, be prepared to pay the enhanced rate?
Remember, some might not.
In which case there would need to be a two, or more, tiered pricing structure.
 
In the final analysis you should remember that there is no such thing as a free 
lunch; it is paid for by somebody.


Regards, John

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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:36 AM
To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

you used to work for we I feel as a blind person 
that tech support in these companies should give 
hands on training for free not just say read a 
manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work 
for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all 
day and certainly do not have the time to read 
manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to 
jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched 
over if I get another screen reader I would have 
to pay money. is there a list of screen reader 
companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers 
>like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. 
>-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer 
>- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 
>832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal 
>Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: 
>train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and 
>@RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced 
>with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
>Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander 
>Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a 
>monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone 
>and everyone will have to use  Microsoft edge 
>and if jaws is the only screne reader that can 
>work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If 
>Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do 
>updates and office  which they did when they 
>introduced the ribbon things became  harder. > 
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RE: FW: whole migrating situation

[John Farley via Talk]

Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software. 

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
> Subject: whole migrating situation
> 
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
> the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
readers.
> ___
> Any views or 

RE: Window-Eyes users in the UK

[John Farley via Talk]

Many thanks Doug.

For both this and your great help over the past years.



Regards, John

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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes users in the UK

Hello John and others,

I've just been informed that if you are in the U.K. or Australia you may
submit your request to migrate to JAWS in the same manner as those in the
U.S.  Meaning simply go to:

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/

Read about your options and click on the migrate form or simply go directly
there with the following:

http://www.gwmicro.com/Window-Eyes/migrateform/

Be as detailed as you can about your situation and submit the form.

If you are in other countries you are still being asked to contact your
local VFO dealer to discuss the migration path details.

Regards,
Doug


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[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:28 AM
To: Window Eyes talk <t...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes users in the UK

Hi Steve,

I had forgotten that you were also a Window-Eyes dealer in the UK.

Aaron Smith just pointed out Sight and Sound to me when I asked him who the
dealer was in the UK.
I can repeat Peter's comment that Toby, in S and S, knows nothing about any
actions they will be taking yet and wants me to check his web site
periodically just to see if there are any changes on it!





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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'pete gurney'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: window-eyes users in the UK

Hi Pete,

Worse still, as a dealer of Window-Eyes I have also had absolutely no
contact.

So to me, VFO haven't really changed the way Freedom used to do things, they
are not supporting dealers or customers outside the UK very well at this
point.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of pete gurney via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 09:22
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Subject: window-eyes users in the UK

hi all,

having just spoken to the main dealer of Jaws in the UK Sight and Sound they
have confirmed that they have had no contact from VFO concerning any
migration offer for window-eyes users in the UK.
 they have asked me to speak to them again next week to give them time to
try and find out what is happening, but as of this minute it appears as if
there is no offer for users over here and we could be left high and dry.

pete.

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RE: Window-Eyes users in the UK

[John Farley via Talk]

Hi Steve,

I had forgotten that you were also a Window-Eyes dealer in the UK.

Aaron Smith just pointed out Sight and Sound to me when I asked him who the
dealer was in the UK.
I can repeat Peter's comment that Toby, in S and S, knows nothing about any
actions they will be taking yet and wants me to check his web site
periodically just to see if there are any changes on it!





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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'pete gurney'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: window-eyes users in the UK

Hi Pete,

Worse still, as a dealer of Window-Eyes I have also had absolutely no
contact.

So to me, VFO haven't really changed the way Freedom used to do things, they
are not supporting dealers or customers outside the UK very well at this
point.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of pete gurney via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 09:22
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: window-eyes users in the UK

hi all,

having just spoken to the main dealer of Jaws in the UK Sight and Sound they
have confirmed that they have had no contact from VFO concerning any
migration offer for window-eyes users in the UK.
 they have asked me to speak to them again next week to give them time to
try and find out what is happening, but as of this minute it appears as if
there is no offer for users over here and we could be left high and dry.

pete.

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RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

[John Farley via Talk]

This is really for UK people on this list.

Does anyone know if the APH Orbit Reader 20 will be available in the UK? 
If so, from where and at what cost?


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:23 PM
To: Terri Pannett; Marcie Chaney; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

The APH Orbit Reader 20 will allow you to add a braille display to a smart 
phone, tablet or ipod touch.

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From: Terri Pannett via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 9:22 AM
To: Marcie Chaney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

I don't think you said anything about braille.  Braille has always been
important to me, and I wonder if the mainstream phones and computers
would support it if the braille notetakers/displays were no longer
around.  Only blind people who read and write braille exclusively can
understand this.



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RE: WINDOW-EYES -- COPY AND PASTE FUNCTION

[John Farley via Talk]

Yes, the new method is good, although not so new now.
It works very well when you want to copy or move a large block of a screen.
However, if just a word or two then the old method is easier.




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Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 3:41 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WINDOW-EYES -- COPY AND PASTE FUNCTION

Hi Olusegun:

I like that new copy and paste function as well.  I think it is more
convenient than the traditional way of doing it.

Kevin Huber


On 3/6/17, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
 wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
>
> Today, I had a chance alas to play with the copy and paste function in
> Window-Eyes using the F8 function key.  I find this feature impressive!  I
> located the beginning of the article I wanted to copy; pressed F8.  I
> navigated to the last sentence in the article and pressed F8 again!  A
> window popped up giving me three choices:  I chose to save as text and the
> entire article was copied to the clipboard.  For those amongst us who use
> NVDA, is this feature available to you?  How about to Jaws users?
>
> One last question:  Using the Window-Eyes Copy & Paste feature, how can I
> append to the clipboard?
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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RE: Outlook 2010 Account Settings

[John Farley via Talk]

Thanks Rod.

In fact you can set a Gmail account to be a pop3 account, in which case it
will work as I want it to.

My query was about the lack of screen access from Window-Eyes in the account
settings area.



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From: Rod Hutton [mailto:rod_hut...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 2:39 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Outlook 2010 Account Settings

Hi John,

I believe Gmail is an IMap account type, meaning that its folder structure
is mirrored (or duplicated) within any client software in which you set it
up.
I have a Hotmail account, which is also IMap.
Therefore, while you cannot force its folder structure to appear within any
folders already present on the client you use, you can cause all incoming
messages to appear in a folder view, say, of unread messages.
I'm using Outlook which comes with Office 365, and perhaps you can do the
same within Outlook 2010.
I can highlight the folder called Search, press the Applications key, and
there I get a pull-down menu listing of views by which I can view my
messages.
One view  is called Unread, and this would group all incoming unread
messages into the Search folder.
Wouldn't this do the trick? (smile)

I hope this helps,

Rod

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Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:04 AM
To: Window Eyes talk <t...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: Outlook 2010 Account Settings

Hello list,

I have encountered an issue with Window-Eyes and Outlook 2010 and using
Account Settings.
I believe I will be able to resolve the issue with sighted assistance, but
would like the issue to be known about.


I have been unable to configure my Outlook 2010 account on my Windows 7 PC
to work as I would like with my Gmail account.

The current way it is set up is as follows:

I have two standard BT Internet e-mail accounts which both go into the same
set of folders, e.ge. The same in-box, sent e-mails etc.
Then there is a separate Gmail account which goes into its own set of
folders, including in-box etc.

I can select which e-mail account to send from by selecting them from the
 box if I do not want to use the default e-mail account. Outlook will
also use the account an e-mail was sent to as the  account when
replying to an e-mail that I have received.

What I would like to do is to include the Gmail account into the same set of
Folders as the other two accounts.

I have tried many different methods without success so far. There was one
suggestion which said to use "account
Settings" to do the job. Unfortunately Window-Eyes would not show the
details that were present. I got sighted assistance to help at that point.

Does anyone know how to do this with Window-Eyes?



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Outlook 2010 Account Settings

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello list,

I have encountered an issue with Window-Eyes and Outlook 2010 and using
Account Settings.
I believe I will be able to resolve the issue with sighted assistance, but
would like the issue to be known about.


I have been unable to configure my Outlook 2010 account on my Windows 7 PC
to work as I would like with my Gmail account.

The current way it is set up is as follows:

I have two standard BT Internet e-mail accounts which both go into the same
set of folders, e.ge. The same in-box, sent e-mails etc.
Then there is a separate Gmail account which goes into its own set of
folders, including in-box etc.

I can select which e-mail account to send from by selecting them from the
 box if I do not want to use the default e-mail account. Outlook will
also use the account an e-mail was sent to as the  account when
replying to an e-mail that I have received.

What I would like to do is to include the Gmail account into the same set of
Folders as the other two accounts.

I have tried many different methods without success so far. There was one
suggestion which said to use "account
Settings" to do the job. Unfortunately Window-Eyes would not show the
details that were present. I got sighted assistance to help at that point.

Does anyone know how to do this with Window-Eyes?



Regards, John

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RE: Looking for Accessible Dictionary

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello 

I have found
http://www.wordsmyth.net/live/home.php?script=search=ancient
ype=exac to be very useful in the past.


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Grant Metcalf via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 4:21 PM
To: gosselin_louis; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Looking for Accessible Dictionary

CBFB years ago produced the American Heritage Dictionary in computerized 
format.
I have found it very useful.

y 

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RE: WinEyes and licensing

[John Farley via Talk]

David,

I was merely commenting on the history of how Window-Eyes was distributed a
number of years ago. 

I cannot make any comment at all regarding how Window-Eyes is currently
being distributed.

I was responding to the subject line of the e-mail.


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-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 5:32 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Loy';
'Pamela Dominguez'
Subject: Re: WinEyes and licensing

Apparently, GW and their licensing deals quite differently from one 
place to the other.


Locally, Yes we can install WE in a locale version, on how many 
computers we want. But should I decide to go for an English version, I 
am under restrictions of something like three or five computers. Believe 
me, I have discussed this with the local dealer, and even took the whole 
issue directly to Doug, questioning why you in the UK can run unlimited 
installations of the English version, and in one of your neighboring 
countries, we are all the sudden restricted on the very same version. 
And, yes we too are well aware of all what a Copyright means.


I am not going to argue their rights to restrict. I just wonder why they 
restrict the paid version, whereas I am free to download as many copies 
of the screen reader I ever desire, in ANY of the supported languages, 
if I go for the free version. If I, in my local area want to

 BUY

an English version, I am under restrictions. Do I want the very same 
English, fully working version, and I download the

 FREE

version, hey now I have no further restrictions from the manufacturer. 
That is where my logic ends.


Go ahead, restrict the users, but do so all over the board. And at 
least, if you want to restrict, why only restrict the paid version, 
leaving the free version unrestricted? Doesn't that encourage the user 
to go for the free version?


And all you said about copyright, does make sense. Except from the fact 
that people in all coutries, can get the unrestricted versions for free, 
only if you pay, you likely will be messing with the Copyright, so let's 
have you restricted. Smile. I just don't get the logic in that. OK then, 
it is not of the biggest issues either, only I wonder if that will 
encourage people in such areas to keep paying. And that was my real 
initial point, that we might see less people paying, and eventually that 
might lead to the fall of the development's priority, on behalf of the 
screen reader.


The best thing, like I stated, would have been if they simply made one 
big and multi-lingual version, leaving the users the chance of deciding 
which installation or functionality will be most suitable for her at any 
time. First they have given all language-specific versions away for free 
the last few years, I am not sure wherein the show-stopper would be, in 
making it all combined into one and same license. After all, many other 
pieces of software are released in multi-lingual versions. And even when 
tied to one language, your license would typically be equal, no matter 
which language you decide to run.


Should I - for instance - want to run Windows itself in German, even if 
I was located in the North-Americas, I would be entitled the exact same 
rights and restrictions as if I was running an English version. 
Microsoft - to all my knowledge - does not give me one set of rules for 
a Spanish version of Windows, and if I happen to live outside Spain, 
another set of rules. Or, if I want to run in french, even if my area is 
mostly running Italian, Microsoft would not get far if they posed a 
drastic reduction in my rights.


If they want to go International, and apparently they do, then they 
might want to revise some of the ways they deal with the linguistic 
issues. What's more, did they develop one multi-lingual version, it 
could have saved them a load of extra work on every new release. every 
user could get one and same version, so they did not have to make 
specific packages for every locality. When they released version 9.5.4, 
they even ended up in a situation, where they released the locale 
version over here, with some of the files in English. That caused some 
issues, which they had to fix. Now, had they only one worldwide version, 
such would not have been an issue at all.


One way it could have been done, is that you would get the license for 
the software, and then install a Main Core. Then you would download a 
set of files, holding the language-specific files. Or, these could have 
been packed on the installation DVD, did you go for a hard-copy 
installation. If you only use one language, your installation would only 
hold the files for that language. for those who use five languages, it 
would mean a few extra KBytes of disk space, as the installation would 
include a few extra files. In modern technology, that means nothing.


Far as I am aware, and 

RE: WinEyes and licensing

[John Farley via Talk]

David,

North America and most of Europe, including the UK can run Window-Eyes
without authentication on each occasion that the version being used is
correctly licenced. That is, without a dongle or other mechanical means of
licence authentication. This may also be the case in Australia and New
Zealand, but I am not too sure of that. There may be a Knowledge Base item
which details where this applies.

This was done originally as there are many parts of the world outside of the
North American continent where software piracy, or euphemistically software
sharing, is rife. 

Software producers, not just GW-Micro, follow such a practice in order to
protect their income stream, which is a perfectly valid think to do.

As far as the accent of the speech is concerned I have most of my speech
output set to use UK English, although I need to accept the use of an
American accent for the Window-Eyes elements of the speech output. 
Like the UK the USA has many localised accents in use in pronouncing the
spoken word.
Most people can accept the use of such localised accents.

The real difference in the use of English between our two continents is the
simplified spelling of many words used in the USA as opposed to that being
used in the UK, where the spellings originated from (smile).



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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 12:30 AM
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: WinEyes and licensing

Nope. All messages, menus and so forth, will be in ONE, and only ONE 
language. The voices are there only to let you read other languages.


Yet, say you have turned on Eloquence french, due to you mainly working 
with French documents and websites. If your WinEyes is installed under 
an English license, all the WinEyes produced messages, will be send as 
English phrases to a French synthesizer. Try for a moment yourself, and 
see what it all will sound like.


You don't think there are all that many phrases, so it can't be that 
much of an issue? Well, try to scroll down a website. All the screen 
reader produced messages like:

 Link,

 Paragraph,

 Combobox,

 Editbox,

 Read-Only,

and so forth, are send in the language of your screen reader 
installation, no matter which language is supported by your currently 
chosen voice.


Or, try it under your favorite Email program. The phrases like:

 Read,

 Unread,

 Attachment,

And so on, again are send in the language of your installation. Try to 
listen too a Spanish voice, or an Italian one, pronounce the English 
phrases. Judge for yourself.


Been the trouble with WE for all times, that they never understood 
people could have more than one language, and would need to switch 
several times in a day. Hey all you Canadians, you would at least know 
what it means to read more than one language.


Greatest thing would be if they could release a multi-lingual license - 
holding all supported languages. And now, if they then could let it even 
be set to switch automatically to the language supported by the 
currently active synth, they would have done a great job. But all my 
requests for such features, have been met with loads of excuses and 
words about being unable, due to licensing and worries of piracy. Not 
sure what would make such a multi-lingual version more vulnerable to 
piracy, but that is the explanation GW has been offering me for the last 
decade.


Well, just wanted to illustrate a point for you all. Other International 
and non-English users will know what i am talking about, and may be able 
to offer you more illustrative cases.


Yet, may I ask you who are all English-speaking users, how would you 
accept if I released a screen reader that gave all its menus and 
internal messages in German? So every time you browsed the net, or every 
time you pressed the Ctrl-Home in a text document, you got the phrases 
from the screen reader, with German text pronounced by your English 
voice? Here, let me save you all the hazzle. Simply let your current 
English voice read the following messages, and imagine your day being 
filled with this kind of working conditions. Then, you please come back 
and tell me how many of you would pay for the product. Smile.


nur-Lese,
Eingabefeld für den,
ungelesen,
Lesen,
Anlage,
Anfang des Dokuments,
Zeilenende.


On 2/4/2017 12:55 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> Window Eyes paid version comes  with synthesizers in  multi languages.
Don't know if the program is in other languages or not.
>- Original Message -
>From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
>To: David ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 6:27 PM
>Subject: Re: WinEyes and licensing
>
>
>I didn't know we only get one language.  I was lead to believe that all
the
>languages were 

RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[John Farley via Talk]

And just what impact do these tales of woe have?

Life moves on, do what mankind have done from the start and learn how to
live with it.



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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 4:22 PM
To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

It's a valid concern.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk
 wrote:
> 
> and the wo-is-me party continues...
> 
> come on guys! instead of being so negative, be happy that we have all this
great stuff. it may not work as well as we like sometimes, but we have it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1/14/2017 9:16 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
>> And lets take a look at what Apple did with the current version of
Itunes. It's not nearly as accessible as it was in version 11.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:58 AM
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?
>> 
>> Hi Jim,
>> 
>> There are all kinds of examples.  In Becky, I once had the ability to
>> Read to End, and now I no longer have this ability.
>> 
>> Numerous Web Sites that once were reasonably accessible, now require
>> more effort on my part to find the same information.
>> 
>> Ebay is a simple example.  I once could easily type in the item I was
>> looking for and run a search.  Now I need to take a few extra steps to
>> do the same thing, and then, sometimes, the reading of the search
>> results is quite flaky.
>> 
>> This is probably due more to Ebay changing something than Window Eyes
>> doing something wrong.  But the bottom line is that I now am working
>> harder to get where I once could go fairly easily.
>> 
>> The other day, I was on a web site, I was attempting to create an
>> account, I could not because some where on that screen I was leaving a
>> Field open, and try as I might, I could never find the field, and I
>> could not create the account.  I'll need to get sighted help to do this
>> in the next day or two.
>> 
>> Operating Systems and programs all have multiplied the number of
>> features, and a program that once had 50 features, now has 200. My
>> screen reader might read many of these new menu choices, and then again,
>> it might not.
>> 
>> Oh, I can still use the basic features, but I find that I don't always
>> have the ability to go into some of those new areas, and be able to read
>> all the selections, choices and options.
>> 
>> This is partly due to multiple factors, and I am not holding Window Eyes
>> responsible for the two steps backwards.
>> 
>> Frankly, I would think it is almost impossible for a Screen reading
>> company to give 100 per cent access to Windows, or Office, or many other
>> programs.
>> 
>> Outside of Screen Readers, I think the Blind are given fewer and fewer
>> choices.  I bought a brand new Top of the Line Washer and Dryer for my
>> Wife.  I thought I might be able to continue to help do the wash from
>> time to time.  The machines had buttons.  Well, it turns out, even
>> though there are buttons, the user needs to read a screen to select the
>> exact cycle wanted for that load of wash.  And the dryer isn't any
>> easier.  It too has a screen and it requires the user to read the screen
>> in order to choose the desired dryer setting, time temp etc.
>> 
>> I now need to read from a Braille card, the number of buttons to push
>> and in which order, to do a simple load of wash.
>> 
>> There are many Kitchen appliances that require sight to use them
>> accurately.
>> 
>> The phone system where I work is almost impossible for me to use. I can
>> pick up calls and dial out, but it requires sight to see another one of
>> those screens to pick the person you wish to transfer a call.
>> 
>> customer Service Data bases, my Screen reader doesn't read well. Not
>> well enough to effectively use it.  Same with the Tech Data base.
>> 
>> I may have said that accessibility is taking one step forwards, and two
>> back.  Perhaps I should have said, that accessibility is not keeping up
>> with what accessibility is needed, which ends up meaning the same thing
>> for most Blind.  We can't use the equipment, or navigate the Web page,
>> or create an account, or do some type of editing, because we can't get
>> to the feature to use it.
>> 
>> 
>> I am older, and some my want to say, that I am just an old dude who is
>> stuck in the past.
>> 
>> However, what I see, is the typical consumer has a load of Electronic
>> equipment, and very very few know much more than the bare basics when it
>> comes to using it.Hundreds of features are there, for the few who
>> might need to use them.  But most features go un used, and yet, the
>> manufacturers can say their phone has 

RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[John Farley via Talk]

And do you think that the world of television, domestic appliances,
automobiles etc. are any different.

The VI community are not immune from change.



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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 3:30 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Yes, it does seem as if those who sell products to earn a living, cannot
resist the temptation to change it, and changing it sometimes is for the
better, but many times, the changes is one or two steps backwards.  

Marketing puts pressure on Development to come up with something NEw NEW
NEW, and so Development does, and Marketing is Happy, but is the end
user always happy?  

Most people that use a computer, are not Computer Geeks.  They use the
computer, to do their jobs, or to do their household duties, Bill paying
etc.  

and when Microsoft, or who ever comes out with their latest offering,
people are forced to re=learn what they had already learned in the
earlier edition of the same software.  

I talk with people all over the country, and I do this on my job.  And
computers is what we talk about.  Time and time again, people have told
me, they do not like Big Big changes.  Changes big enough to require
them to look at the latest edition and wonder where they start, because
the new edition is so different.  

Now it takes three steps to do what once took two, or even one.  

In the case of Screen Readers, now our Readers read even less of the
program than it did before.  

this is what I mean by going backwards.  

I have no solution, as it seems that Change is the best way to gain
new customers but once these customers are familiar with the program,
any major changes are not welcome, unless those changes streamline the
work the program does for the user.  

One Step forward and Two Steps back?  

  this is not Progress, just in case anyone is confused.  

Grumpy Dave


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Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my
comments.



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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays 
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect 
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai 
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product 
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
> fazed out?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
> To: bj colt via Talk
> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
> Hello John,
>
> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
>
>

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RE: Window-Eyes and ICloud

[John Farley via Talk]

That is not a problem.
 


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-Original Message-
From: Mike Rogers [mailto:harpm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 4:28 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and ICloud

Sorry John.  My screenreader was reading one message in Becky and repklied
to you, instead.  I forgot to move up one message and then back to the one I
wanted to reply to.  It's a focus issue and it drives me nuts.

Mike



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 16:18:42 +0100
John Farley via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Thank you.
> 
> I tried that without success.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards, John
> 
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> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jonathan Cohn [mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:43 PM
> To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Rod Hutton
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and ICloud
> 
> See if going directly to the Contacts webpage helps you?  It should bring
up a list of contact groups and then a list of contacts. I generally manage
mine directly on an Apple device. 
> 
> 
> https://www.icloud.com/#contacts
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 22, 2016, at 6:33 AM, John Farley via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Rod,
> > 
> > I am trying to get at my contacts.
> > I wish to rationalise them as over the years they have come from many
> > sources and there are quite a number of entries in there on some of the
> > lists that I no longer wish to retain.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards, John
> > 
> > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rod Hutton [mailto:rod_hut...@hotmail.com] 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:29 AM
> > To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes and ICloud
> > 
> > Hi John,
> > 
> > Can you say precisely which features of iCloud you are trying to access
on
> > your PC, for example, iCloud Drive, or Notes or Reminders, or are you
trying
> > to sync data between your PC and your IPhone?
> > As you can see, there's a lot to it. Smile
> > 
> > With respect,
> > 
> > Rod
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk
> > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf
> > Of John Farley via Talk
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:26 AM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > Subject: Window-Eyes and ICloud
> > 
> > Hello list,
> > 
> > I know that I can access ICloud from my iPhone.
> > 
> > I would like to know which is the best way of accessing ICloud from my
PC
> > using Windows 7 and Window-Eyes, latest version.
> > 
> > I have tried and it does not want to cooperate at all.
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards, John
> > 
> > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
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> > 
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RE: Window-Eyes and ICloud

[John Farley via Talk]

Thank you.

I tried that without success.



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-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Cohn [mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:43 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and ICloud

See if going directly to the Contacts webpage helps you�  It should bring up a 
list of contact groups and then a list of contacts. I generally manage mine 
directly on an Apple device. 


https://www.icloud.com/#contacts
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Sep 22, 2016, at 6:33 AM, John Farley via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rod,
> 
> I am trying to get at my contacts.
> I wish to rationalise them as over the years they have come from many
> sources and there are quite a number of entries in there on some of the
> lists that I no longer wish to retain.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards, John
> 
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Hutton [mailto:rod_hut...@hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:29 AM
> To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes and ICloud
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Can you say precisely which features of iCloud you are trying to access on
> your PC, for example, iCloud Drive, or Notes or Reminders, or are you trying
> to sync data between your PC and your IPhone?
> As you can see, there's a lot to it. Smile
> 
> With respect,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of John Farley via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:26 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Window-Eyes and ICloud
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> I know that I can access ICloud from my iPhone.
> 
> I would like to know which is the best way of accessing ICloud from my PC
> using Windows 7 and Window-Eyes, latest version.
> 
> I have tried and it does not want to cooperate at all.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards, John
> 
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> 
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RE: Window-Eyes and ICloud

[John Farley via Talk]

Hi Rod,

I am trying to get at my contacts.
I wish to rationalise them as over the years they have come from many
sources and there are quite a number of entries in there on some of the
lists that I no longer wish to retain.
 


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-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton [mailto:rod_hut...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:29 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes and ICloud

Hi John,

Can you say precisely which features of iCloud you are trying to access on
your PC, for example, iCloud Drive, or Notes or Reminders, or are you trying
to sync data between your PC and your IPhone?
As you can see, there's a lot to it. Smile

With respect,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:26 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Window-Eyes and ICloud

Hello list,

I know that I can access ICloud from my iPhone.

I would like to know which is the best way of accessing ICloud from my PC
using Windows 7 and Window-Eyes, latest version.

I have tried and it does not want to cooperate at all.

Thank you.



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Window-Eyes and ICloud

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello list,

I know that I can access ICloud from my iPhone.

I would like to know which is the best way of accessing ICloud from my PC
using Windows 7 and Window-Eyes, latest version.

I have tried and it does not want to cooperate at all.

Thank you.



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RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The Results Will Surprise You!

[John Farley via Talk]

Vaughan, thank you for that insight into that article.

My own, unreasearched view, is that any free screen reader will not be able to 
complete the full role of tasks that a more professional screen reader can.

Although I do not use JAWS, it is not an acronym for Job Access to Work with 
Screen Reader for nothing.

I am a diehard Window-Eyes user and have been for many years, in a professional 
capacity and now as a retired person.
I would not move away from Window-Eyes without a much better incentive than a 
single review, which it now appears, is not from the most knowledgeable of 
sources.

Community, please take your choice.
 


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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 9:11 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The 
Results Will Surprise You!

Thanks for the post.

I do think we should be cautious about this.  Apart from the fact that the guy 
is a teacher - teacher of what and of whom - his credentials are not clearly 
identified.  So his views are just as good or just as bad as any one elses.

Many of us use apps not included in his discussion - excel, outlook, other mail 
and spreadsheet applications and so on.  Whilst it is clear that the discussion 
is about Windows 10 anniversary, and as such is narrow in context, it is far 
from complete.

The bias is clear: if it is free - it must be better, and he has only ever used 
JFW of the paid screen readers.
Microsoft's commitment to accessibility is questonable.  Yes: Narrator has made 
improvements which are long overdue, and there are knowledgeable blind people 
commiting to Narrator.  But - no braille, no ability to configure it for 
specific apps, and so many other shortcomings which Window-Eyes and JFW have 
attempted to resolve over the years.



The discussion is an important one, as the industry is in a state of change.  
But: we should just treat the comments for what they are - someone's legitimate 
opinion.


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From: Talk 
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Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 11 August 2016 6:27 a.m.
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The 
Results Will Surprise You!

No mention of Window-eyes, eh? tisk tisk.
On 8/10/2016 9:38 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
> The following article came from
> https://www.coolblindtech.com/ranking-screen-readers-in-windows10-anni
> versary-update-the-results-will-surprise-you/
>
> He seemed to leave out Window Eyes?
>
> Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The Results Will 
> Surprise You!
>
> James Oates
>
>
> On  August 9, 2016
>
> In this article, I will attempt to review and rank three of the most 
> popular current screen readers that are available at this time. The three 
> screen readers were tested on the most recent version of Windows 10 
> anniversary update. This is important because one of the screen readers is 
> Microsoft�s most recently updated Narrator.
> Although ranking the screen readers might prove to be quite controversial, I 
> think it can also open up a real discussion on which screen readers are most 
> accessible, and even the question of accessibility can sometimes be up for 
> debate. I do realize that accessibility is determined by personal needs and 
> preferences, so I will attempt to define the criteria I used for 
> accessibility in this review.
>
> What Is Accessibility?
>
> Quite simply, I determined that accessibility is the ability to access that 
> which needs to be accessed. Also, I take points off accessibility for the 
> screen readers that make it difficult to access material by being 
> dysfunctional or by making it very difficult to figure out which keystrokes 
> need to be used with the material. Some screen readers make you use 
> ridiculous key combinations to activate website elements or functions within 
> applications. So without further ado, here are the rankings!
>
> Number One: Microsoft Narrator!
>
> It took me about a day to get used to the screen reader, but once I 
> did, I realized what a powerful tool Microsoft had created and that 
> the company was finally serious about supporting a built-in screen 
> reader for the blind. In 

Question on Media Creation Tool and Windows 10

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello list,

Can the entire process of upgrading  a PC in a Windows 7 Pro environment to
the Anniversary Edition of Windows 10 Pro be done with Window-Eyes alone?
That is, there is no need to run any other screen reader in order to
complete the process.


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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 7:38 PM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: maybe you will believe me now. Re: the upgrade assistant says
the display driver is blocking installation

Using this link, my tablet is in the first reboot.  I didn't have any
display error issues.
I downloaded the media creation utility that is 17mb.

I won't be truly happy until it is complete but didn't have any issues up
until the first reboot.
To Be Continued...
Chris


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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 1:21 PM
To: via Talk 
Subject: maybe you will believe me now. Re: the upgrade assistant says the
display driver is blocking installation

as i have said. this creation tool is not the same version that everyone
else 
is trying to use.
it installed the anaversory version without haveing to uninstall anything.
this person got it to work too. so i am not the only one.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 3:21 AM
To: net bat
Subject: Re: the upgrade assistant says the display driver is blocking 
installation

NetBat,


The media creation tool worked.  As I'm writing this, windows 10
anniversary addition is being installed.  Thanks for the tip!


I used the media creation tool when I first installed windows 10, but I
didn't scroll down far enough on the Microsoft page to see this tool
when I tried this upgrade.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

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FW: maybe you will believe me now. Re: the upgrade assistant says the display driver is blocking installation

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Chris,

In addition to reporting the success, or not, of this method, could you also
let us know if the entire process of upgrade in a Windows 7 Pro environment
to the Anniversary Edition of Windows 10 Pro can be done with Window-Eyes
alone? That is, there is no need to run any other screen reader in order to
complete the process.

I note also on this list that others seem to have used this process with
success; maybe they may be able to answer my question.

? 


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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 7:38 PM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: maybe you will believe me now. Re: the upgrade assistant says
the display driver is blocking installation

Using this link, my tablet is in the first reboot.  I didn't have any
display error issues.
I downloaded the media creation utility that is 17mb.

I won't be truly happy until it is complete but didn't have any issues up
until the first reboot.
To Be Continued...
Chris


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Fort Wayne, IN 46825
(802) 362-3612
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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 1:21 PM
To: via Talk 
Subject: maybe you will believe me now. Re: the upgrade assistant says the
display driver is blocking installation

as i have said. this creation tool is not the same version that everyone
else 
is trying to use.
it installed the anaversory version without haveing to uninstall anything.
this person got it to work too. so i am not the only one.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 3:21 AM
To: net bat
Subject: Re: the upgrade assistant says the display driver is blocking 
installation

NetBat,


The media creation tool worked.  As I'm writing this, windows 10
anniversary addition is being installed.  Thanks for the tip!


I used the media creation tool when I first installed windows 10, but I
didn't scroll down far enough on the Microsoft page to see this tool
when I tried this upgrade.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

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RE: email program recommendation

[John Farley via Talk]

Hi Kim,

A blind man in the UK has a site with various accessible downloads on it
which includes a version of OE which does work with Windows 7 and above. He
also has quite a number of other bits of software which are also quite
useful.

The site is http://www.whitestick.co.uk/



I have used a number of downloads from this site and have found them of use.



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 3:32 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: email program recommendation

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real 
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally 
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x 
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because 
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that 
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for 
a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo 


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RE: Frequent bell rings

[John Farley via Talk]

Thank you for your concern Pamela.

Now that Rod has pointed me in the right direction I can now adjust what I
need when I need it.


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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 11:41 PM
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Frequent bell rings

But he may want to hear the rest of the sounds, though.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:01 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Frequent bell rings

Hi John,

Is it possible you have turned up your volume for system sounds in the
mixer?
If you open the system tray with Insert-S, arrow down to the speakers icon,
right click it and arrow to open volume mixer and press Enter, you will be
in the dialog where you can find the slider to control the volume of system
sounds.
Turning it down will at least make your experience more tolerable. smile

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Frequent bell rings

Dear list,

I am using Windows 7 Pro with Window-Eyes 9.4 with IE 11 and Office 2010.

On almost every key stroke I make there is a bell ring noise.
I cannot recall what I did to enable this and therefore cannot recall how to
disable it.

Can anyone help please?


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Frequent bell rings

[John Farley via Talk]

Dear list,

I am using Windows 7 Pro with Window-Eyes 9.4 with IE 11 and Office 2010.

On almost every key stroke I make there is a bell ring noise.
I cannot recall what I did to enable this and therefore cannot recall how to
disable it.

Can anyone help please?
 

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RE: OT: Annoying Window Technical Service Calls from India or where ever

[John Farley via Talk]

I think that the calls being discussed here are the calls purporting to come
from Microsoft, not Talks.
These so-called Microsoft Technical Department calls have been happening for
a number of years now.

If, indeed, you are now getting calls purporting to be from Talks then that
is a new scam. 

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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of george basioli via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 4:27 PM
To: 'Kevin Huber'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dave'
Subject: RE: OT: Annoying Window Technical Service Calls from India or where
ever

Wel here is my thought,

I got a few of these calls and I just figured it out the other day.  The
caller said he was calling from talks tech support and my computer called
them.  Well I think since the merge of g I squared and f v o there has been
a breech of information in theprocess and this seems the only list people
aretalking about these phone calls.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gbmagoo=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 07:46
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: OT: Annoying Window Technical Service Calls from India or where
ever

Hi Dave:

These calls have nothing to do with your system.
They pick random phonenumbers and they call them.
I used to get quite a few calls from them, but not any more.
I am not sure why, but it may have something to do with the last caller.  He
had been calling our number for days and we would just hang up.  Finally, on
one call, I asked what company he worked for.
When he said "microsoft" I just told him he was lying and hung up.

Kevin Huber


On 6/27/16, Dave via Talk  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On my last system, a Win 7 system, it seemed when ever I started up my 
> computer, shortly after, I would receive a call from a person telling 
> me they were from the Windows Technical Service, or something like that.
> So far,every call, which are probably two or three dozen by now, have 
> all been from people with thick accents from some far away place.
>
> I knew these guys were up to no good, but I would like to get rid of 
> them calling me.
>
> Thought when I change systems, I would sease getting these calls.  Not 
> so.
>
> I have Software to rid my system of viruses and Malware, but still 
> these folks keep calling.
>
> Anyone here find a solution to stop these people from calling?
>
> I have started to play along to see what they will do.  Even I need 
> entertainment.
>
> But, I am getting bored and they amazingly seem to really get upset when
> they find out I've been playing them along.totally halairious at
> times, but now I really just need to stop the calls.
>
> Anyone have good advice?
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
> --
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RE: Weather or Not

[John Farley via Talk]

I think this may have stopped working at the same time as the Windows
Enhanced app was released here.

Is that a coincidence?



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From: Whizza [mailto:whiz...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 4:56 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Weather or Not

Weather or not definitely not working here since last night.  I'm in the UK.

Cheers,
Sandra.

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RE: Weather or Not

[John Farley via Talk]

I am in the UK and it is also not working here.



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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 11:55 AM
To: 'Loy'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Larry Higgins'
Subject: RE: Weather or Not

Sure glad I'm not the only one; Mine's down, too!

Louis Gosselin

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 6:31 PM
To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Weather or Not

Not working here either. Most likely the weather source is down.
  - Original Message -
  From: Larry Higgins via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 6:26 PM
  Subject: Weather or Not


  Could anybody tell me what is up with Weather or Not? I haven't been
  able to get any info since around 2:00pm CDT.
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FW: I have had enough

[John Farley via Talk]

Chris and Bob,

I think we are at cross purposes here.

Neville and I were talking about preventing a Windows 7 PC from being
updated to Windows 10 and not updates to Windows 10 software.



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 12:01 PM
To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: I have had enough

Chris,

I agree with you.  I haven't had that many Windows 10 updates and they 
have never stopped me from doing anything.  When you go to shutdown, you 
might get a notification asking if you want to update and shutdown or 
just shutdown.  I always pick the update and shutdown option, and my 
Wife always picks the shutdown only option so that I have to catch her 
computer up with updates every once and a while.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 3/23/2016 7:47 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
> Hi
> I'm a bit confused, as my room mate just got a windows 10 laptop, and 
> I've not noticed any updates several times a day which interrupts her 
> use of the laptop.   It does update itself overnight which makes sense 
> because she's not using it then. I do remember one time that it 
> updated itself in the background, but it didn't request a restart to 
> save any changes. I'm ok with that. Is this the case with windows 10 
> itself?If it does update and interrupts your use of it I hope 
> there's a way to change that.
>
>
>
> On 3/23/2016 5:37 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:
>> Thanks for your reply John.
>>
>> Yes, I have noticed this and take particular care which updates are 
>> checked for download and installation.  The monthly updates are a bit 
>> of a battle between the user and Microsoft it seems.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Neville.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23/03/2016 7:29 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>>> Hello Neville,
>>>
>>> Please also take care about what Microsoft brings in at update time.
>>>
>>> You may well find that it will slip in the upgrade to Windows 10 as an
>>> optional upgrade. This is pre-checked and will need to be unchecked 
>>> on each
>>> occasion if you want to prevent it.
>>>
>>> You could probably stop this, but as Microsoft seem to change its name
>>> occasionally it will only creep back into the optional upgrade list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards, John
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
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>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Neville via Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:30 AM
>>> To: Window Eyes
>>> Subject: I have had enough
>>>
>>> Thanks to those who replied to my email about stopping W10 upgrading my
>>> system from W7.
>>>
>>> The programme has been downloaded, run and the problem stopped.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Neville.
>>>
>>>
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RE: I have had enough

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Neville,

Please also take care about what Microsoft brings in at update time.

You may well find that it will slip in the upgrade to Windows 10 as an
optional upgrade. This is pre-checked and will need to be unchecked on each
occasion if you want to prevent it.

You could probably stop this, but as Microsoft seem to change its name
occasionally it will only creep back into the optional upgrade list.



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:30 AM
To: Window Eyes
Subject: I have had enough

Thanks to those who replied to my email about stopping W10 upgrading my 
system from W7.

The programme has been downloaded, run and the problem stopped.

Cheers
Neville.



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RE: Location of Update on Win 7

[John Farley via Talk]

The one I downloaded is WindowEyesSetup.exe

Bear in mind that Aaron of GW has already advised that the upgrade file may
have several different names depending on how it has been obtained.
 


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Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 5:58 PM
To: Carol and Roger; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Location of Update on Win 7

What is the exact name of the file?
-- 
 

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RE: Location of Update on Win 7

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Many thanks Carol. Got it.



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From: Carol and Roger [mailto:carogsm...@embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 4:24 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Location of Update on Win 7

If you are asking about the WE update, mine is in 
C:\Users\Carol\AppData\Local\Temp.

You should be able to look in your own user directory and search for it 
if you have show hidden files and folders turned on, or when in your own 
user folder, press windows-R and type in %appdata%.
This will open the appdata folder and then you can find local and press 
enter and then temp and press enter.  When on the temp folder name, I 
created a shortcut to my desktop because I use it enough that I don't 
like having to go through all of these steps. .

Carol
On 3/9/2016 11:05 AM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> Could someone please let me know where the update file is downloaded to on
a
> Win 7 PC?
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
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Location of Update on Win 7

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello list,

Could someone please let me know where the update file is downloaded to on a
Win 7 PC?

Thank you.



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RE: WE 9.4

[John Farley via Talk]

I have now also installed 9.4 and it has started up OK and I am pleased
about that.

However, I did not see any public announcement of its availability as has
been past practice.
Was there any?
If not, why not?

When did it become available?



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 5:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE 9.4

Just installed WE 9.4
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RE: copy

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Don,

You move the cursor to the end of the portion that you wish to copy and
press F8 again. 
It will default to the letter "c" and copy all of the text between the two
marked points to the clip board.




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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:02 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: copy

Hi:

If I want to copy a line of text, example, starting with theletter h and
then rest of the line, how do I do it?

 

I know you start with function 8, but, bbefore you would shift and right
arrow, 

Now how do you do it?

Don

 

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RE: malware bytes accessibility

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Tom,

Are you using the free or pro version, which is paid for? The Pro version
does run at all times and so should give a better level of protection.

I ask because I have found it very difficult, if not impossible, to get the
necessary id and key installed into this later version. I have only been
able to install them into the old version.

Unfortunately neither the software distributors nor the manufactures were
able to help me.

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[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 4:09 PM
To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: malware bytes accessibility

I'm running the latest version (2.2) and it works fine with Window-Eyes 
9.3 On Windows 7 and 10.

Regarding the recent vulnerability? Here's the blog post at their site. 
If you have the premium version you can solve this by turning on 
Self-protection under Settings Advanced. If you don't have premium you 
Don't have any protection other than an after the fact manual scan.

https://blog.malwarebytes.org/news/2016/02/malwarebytes-anti-malware-vulnera
bility-disclosure/

Hth,
Tom


On 2/22/2016 6:23 ARE, David via Talk wrote:
> Just for info.
>
> It recently was claimed from some source, that MalwareBytes has
> experienced a security flaw. Although they are aware of the issue, they
> could not at the point of the message spreading, tell anything about
> when the issue would be fixed.
>
> I don't mean to discourage any usage of the software, and I don't know
> what flaw it all is about. But just wanted to let you all know, that
> apparently you will not be totally protected.
>
> As always, the people telling about this kind of flaws, encourages us to
> use some other kind of security software. and, of course, that means a
> piece of software that has forgotten everything about people who do not
> enjoy glossy and fancy graphics, or who simply just need a bit of
> textual feedback on the controls of the suggested software.
>
>
> David
>
> On 2/22/2016 10:50 AM, Michael Capelle via Talk wrote:
>> you need malware bytes 1.75
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Jed Barton via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 3:38 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: malware bytes accessibility
>>
>> Hey guys,
>> Well it appears malware bytes is not accessible any more.  I am running
>> we 8.4, and whenever i try and access it, it literally does nothing.  I
>> went to the system tray in windows 7, and tried several times to do a
>> left and right mouse click, and my system just keeps saying taskbar.
>> Then i hit the desktiop icon, and now it just came up, but there are no
>> accessible buttons.  When i tab around, nothing, arrow up and own,
>> nothing.  I'm running this on a win 7 machine.  Any ideas?
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RE: malware bytes accessibility

[John Farley via Talk]

Just to note that even with use of the 1.75 version you will need to make
heavy use of the virtual mouse when examining the results of a scan.



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Behalf Of Michael Capelle via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 9:50 AM
To: j...@jedbarton.com; Jed Barton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: malware bytes accessibility

you need malware bytes 1.75

-Original Message- 
From: Jed Barton via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 3:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: malware bytes accessibility

Hey guys,
Well it appears malware bytes is not accessible any more.  I am running
we 8.4, and whenever i try and access it, it literally does nothing.  I
went to the system tray in windows 7, and tried several times to do a
left and right mouse click, and my system just keeps saying taskbar.
Then i hit the desktiop icon, and now it just came up, but there are no
accessible buttons.  When i tab around, nothing, arrow up and own,
nothing.  I'm running this on a win 7 machine.  Any ideas?
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RE: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[John Farley via Talk]

Thanks Tom.



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-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 6:45 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

John,

The cloud is just a generic term for any off-site server you use to 
backup and store data, either just for yourself or for sharing. iCloud, 
Amazon, One drive, Google drive, Dropbox, SendSpace, and so on are all 
the same thing. The only difference with iCloud and Amazon is that my 
iPhone can automatically backup to iCloud every time it's plugged in and 
all Amazon MP3 purchases are automatically put on their cloud servers. 
They all have free stub services designed to suck you into purchasing 
more space once you fill them up.

Regards,
Tom


On 2/17/2016 5:57 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
> Tom,
>
> You have mentioned two different applications here.
>
> Amazon itself is a web site which then accesses its own internal databases
> to handle user request. They would have no need at all to utilize any cloud
> content. It would only add to their speed of response to the end user.
>
> ITunes is a program run on your PC which then accesses the Apple databases.
> Once on their databases there will be no need to further access the cloud.
>
> It might be interesting to consider what "the cloud" is.
> While I am not an expert in modern nomenclature my understanding of it is
> that it is simply a number of remote servers on some server farm somewhere
> which we, the users, do not need to worry about the location of.
> This is opposed to a server farm somewhere which we know the name of, if not
> its location.
>
> The term is being used to mystify the concept. After all, simple computing
> no longer mystifies the man in the street so let's find something else to do
> that.
>
> I welcome any correction to my undrstanding.
>
>
> Regards, John
>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 10:43 PM
> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> I am not talking about Window-Eyes apps using iCloud, I'm talking about
> Programs themselves such as Amazon and ITunes. using iCloud.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:55 PM
> To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Yes, I have never heard of window eyes aps using iCloud.  I don't know
> enough about them, but I think they just function in window eyes and work
> with whatever program they are meant to make work better with window eyes.
> Pam.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Farley via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:52 PM
> To: 'Tom Fairhurst' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Tom Kingston'
> Subject: RE: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Tom,
>
> My understanding is that the WE Apps are just ways of making the use of WE
> in some circumstances easier to navigate and use. I do not believe that they
> use ICloud at all. Of course, there may be a number of WE Apps that do
> require use of iCloud, but these I expect to be exceptions.
>
> Script writers should be able to confirm this.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
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>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:45 PM
> To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> It's interesting that iCloud may be a culprit. However, if you do that, how
> can you work with ITunes, Amazon, etc.? Or, do each of their apps work
> without iCloud, itself?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:29 AM
> To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick
> Thomas'
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> yes, John. It's also a good idea to open IE, Alt-T Tools, manage
> add-ons, and disable anything you don't absolutely need.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 2/17/2016 12:19 PM, John Farley wrote:
>> Tom, in a note a short whi

RE: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[John Farley via Talk]

Tom,

You have mentioned two different applications here.

Amazon itself is a web site which then accesses its own internal databases
to handle user request. They would have no need at all to utilize any cloud
content. It would only add to their speed of response to the end user.

ITunes is a program run on your PC which then accesses the Apple databases.
Once on their databases there will be no need to further access the cloud.

It might be interesting to consider what "the cloud" is.
While I am not an expert in modern nomenclature my understanding of it is
that it is simply a number of remote servers on some server farm somewhere
which we, the users, do not need to worry about the location of.
This is opposed to a server farm somewhere which we know the name of, if not
its location.
 
The term is being used to mystify the concept. After all, simple computing
no longer mystifies the man in the street so let's find something else to do
that.

I welcome any correction to my undrstanding.


Regards, John

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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 10:43 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I am not talking about Window-Eyes apps using iCloud, I'm talking about 
Programs themselves such as Amazon and ITunes. using iCloud.

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:55 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Yes, I have never heard of window eyes aps using iCloud.  I don't know
enough about them, but I think they just function in window eyes and work
with whatever program they are meant to make work better with window eyes.
Pam.

-Original Message----- 
From: John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:52 PM
To: 'Tom Fairhurst' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Tom Kingston'
Subject: RE: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Tom,

My understanding is that the WE Apps are just ways of making the use of WE
in some circumstances easier to navigate and use. I do not believe that they
use ICloud at all. Of course, there may be a number of WE Apps that do
require use of iCloud, but these I expect to be exceptions.

Script writers should be able to confirm this.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:45 PM
To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

It's interesting that iCloud may be a culprit. However, if you do that, how
can you work with ITunes, Amazon, etc.? Or, do each of their apps work
without iCloud, itself?

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:29 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick
Thomas'
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

yes, John. It's also a good idea to open IE, Alt-T Tools, manage
add-ons, and disable anything you don't absolutely need.

Regards,
Tom


On 2/17/2016 12:19 PM, John Farley wrote:
> Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
> that is having such an impact.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
> To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
> getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
>> Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
>> working with the close program dialog.
>> So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
>> To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>>
>> I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
>> problem in IE. I just know

RE: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[John Farley via Talk]

Tom,

My understanding is that the WE Apps are just ways of making the use of WE
in some circumstances easier to navigate and use. I do not believe that they
use ICloud at all. Of course, there may be a number of WE Apps that do
require use of iCloud, but these I expect to be exceptions.

Script writers should be able to confirm this.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:45 PM
To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

It's interesting that iCloud may be a culprit. However, if you do that, how 
can you work with ITunes, Amazon, etc.? Or, do each of their apps work 
without iCloud, itself?

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:29 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick 
Thomas'
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

yes, John. It's also a good idea to open IE, Alt-T Tools, manage
add-ons, and disable anything you don't absolutely need.

Regards,
Tom


On 2/17/2016 12:19 PM, John Farley wrote:
> Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
> that is having such an impact.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
> To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
> getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
>> Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
>> working with the close program dialog.
>> So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
>> To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>>
>> I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
>> problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
>> and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
>> I invoke NVDA.
>> By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
>> tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
>> two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
>>> I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
>>> down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
>>> stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.
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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[John Farley via Talk]

Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
that is having such an impact.



Regards, John

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-Original Message-
From: Talk
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Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are 
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
> Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
> working with the close program dialog.
> So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
> Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
> To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
> problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
> and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
> I invoke NVDA.
> By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
> tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
> two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
>> I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
>> down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
>> stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.
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FW: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[John Farley via Talk]

As with others, I do not know the cause for the issues with WE and IE at the
moment.

However, I have made a change to my PC environment a few hours ago and those
issues seem to have gone away.

I have decided that the potential advantages of the interface between my PC
and my iPhone with iCloud set up on the PC is not worth the effort it takes
up and leaves too many things that cannot be done via the PC.

I have therefor fully removed iCloud from my PC.

While it is still only a few hours the issues seem to have gone away.

I do not know if this is just a coincidence.



Regards, John

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[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:48 PM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing 
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash 
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once 
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various 
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having 
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
>I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut 
>down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has 
>stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.
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RE: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[John Farley via Talk]

As with others, I do not know the cause for the issues with WE and IE at the
moment.

However, I have made a change to my PC environment a few hours ago and those
issues seem to have gone away.

I have decided that the potential advantages of the interface between my PC
and my iPhone with iCloud set up on the PC is not worth the effort it takes
up and leaves too many things that cannot be done via the PC.

I have therefor fully removed iCloud from my PC.

While it is still only a few hours the issues seem to have gone away.

I do not know if this is just a coincidence.



Regards, John

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Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:48 PM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing 
Problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash 
And NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once 
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various 
Tasks are something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having 
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
>I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut 
>down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has 
>stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.
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RE: Outlook Enhance add in

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Don,

I am also getting this, on a different environment to you.

I am using:
Windows 7 pro
Window-Eyes 9.3
Outlook 2010 Pro

All software is fully up to date.



Regards, John


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Behalf Of Don Risavy, Jr. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 5:02 PM
To: Window-eyes Talks
Subject: Outlook Enhance add in 

Hello all,

I keep receiving an alert when using Outlook 2016 with WE9.3 that the
outlook enhanced add in was not properly installed and to restart Outlook as
says was corrected; but, each time use Outlook 2016 this message comes back
up from time to time.

So wonder is it a WE9.3 issue or Outlook issue and how can it be fixed so
stop prompting me?

Thanks.

Don Risavy, Jr.

 

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OT Using Virtual Keyboards

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Chris,

I see that in the note below you have:
" 
"Sent from my iPad"

Did you use the virtual keyboard that comes with an IPad or did you use an
attached keyboard.

I ask as I find virtual keyboards too time consuming to make their use of a
great deal of use and prefer to use an actual keyboard on a PC.

Thank you in advance.


Regards, John



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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:59 PM
To: Neville; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: app update today

Hi,
It is the app that runs after you install window eyes to configure settings.


Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 3, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Neville via Talk 
wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Just received the notice to update two apps.  One is called "setup
wizard".  Can anyone inform me what this app does?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Neville.
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RE: tool tip trouble

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Mike,

On Windows 7 and 8 there is a tool you can get to remove that irritating
item.

Take a look at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ 

While I have used this to good effect on my Windows 7 PC it is clearly not
software supported by GW Micro and will be done at your risk.
Having said that, I have had no bad impact from it.

The only thing you then need to remember each time you do a Microsoft update
is that Microsoft will make upgrade to Windows 10 a pre-checked item in the
optional software list which will need to be unchecked each time that you do
not want it.
 
Regards, John



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Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 5:33 PM
To: Smith, Veronica; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: tool tip trouble

When I'm in my email program, sometimes the message only reads half.  The
culprit is the "Get Windows 10" button.  I have to remember to hit alt-f4,
before going to the desktop and opening the email program.  Maybe this is
your problem.  Hope this helps.  The Windows 10 button is a problem, but I
don't know how to get rid of it.  I'm using Windows 7 and like it.



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> I'm not sure what happened to the tool tips, but now  only half the
message is read. I tried redrawing the screen, but it still doesn't want to
change its mind.  Any suggestions?
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Lastpass

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Hello list,

Has anyone on the list used lastpass to manage their various passwords?
If so, what success or problems have you encountered with it?

Thank you in advance.


Regards, John




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RE: Lastpass

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Thanks Mike, I'll take a look.



Regards, John



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:56 PM
To: Mike Rogers; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Lastpass

I've heard good things about One Password being used on both IOS and on
Windows computers with screen readers, but I don't know which screen reader.
I heard a podcast on this from AppleVis, I think it was.  The version for
Windows costs money, whereas the IOS version is free.  I'm just thinking of
delving into it.  I heard you can then sync the Windows app and IOS apps of
One password via Dropbox or maybe other cloud services.  

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:06 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Lastpass

My son and daughter-in-law use it and love it.  But they are sighted.  We've
been thinking about it, but I don't know how it works with screenreaders.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 15:23:27 -
John Farley via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> Has anyone on the list used lastpass to manage their various passwords?
> If so, what success or problems have you encountered with it?
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 
> Regards, John
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Lastpass

[John Farley via Talk]

Sorry, I meant Robin of course!



Regards, John



-Original Message-
From: John Farley [mailto:john_far...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:59 PM
To: 'Van Lant, Robin'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Lastpass

Thanks Mike, I'll take a look.



Regards, John



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[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:56 PM
To: Mike Rogers; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Lastpass

I've heard good things about One Password being used on both IOS and on
Windows computers with screen readers, but I don't know which screen reader.
I heard a podcast on this from AppleVis, I think it was.  The version for
Windows costs money, whereas the IOS version is free.  I'm just thinking of
delving into it.  I heard you can then sync the Windows app and IOS apps of
One password via Dropbox or maybe other cloud services.  

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[mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:06 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Lastpass

My son and daughter-in-law use it and love it.  But they are sighted.  We've
been thinking about it, but I don't know how it works with screenreaders.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


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> Hello list,
> 
> Has anyone on the list used lastpass to manage their various passwords?
> If so, what success or problems have you encountered with it?
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 
> Regards, John
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Lastpass

[John Farley via Talk]

Thank you Mike.

I have been advised by a sighted person that this is a very good application
for managing passwords, as we are all getting more of them these days.

My reason for asking the list was to see what experience Window-Eyes users
have with it.



Regards, John


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From: Mike Rogers [mailto:harpm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:06 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Lastpass

My son and daughter-in-law use it and love it.  But they are sighted.  We've
been thinking about it, but I don't know how it works with screenreaders.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


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> Hello list,
> 
> Has anyone on the list used lastpass to manage their various passwords?
> If so, what success or problems have you encountered with it?
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 
> Regards, John
> 
> 
> 
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RE: w-e 9.3

[John Farley via Talk]

I would like to reiterate the comments below.



Regards, John


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 6:08 PM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Norene Trappa
Subject: RE: w-e 9.3

I am one of those who has experienced some issues since upgrading to WE 9.3
on Windows 7 at work.  Just quirky things that don't happen consistently
enough for me to articulate, but definitely more focus and freezing that I
often resolve by just logging out of Windows and trying again.  I don't use
my win 8.1 machine as much, but have not noticed any issues on it with WE
9.3.  

 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin.van.lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:32 AM
To: Norene Trappa; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: w-e 9.3

Will WE 9.3 work well with Win 7?  Guess that depends upon who you ask. 
There are some that WE 9.3 fails far too often.  It is said that there are
others where WE 9.3 rarely fails.  

However, judging from this list, those running Win 7 seem to experience some
difficulties with WE 9.3.  

Perhaps others will post their own observations.

My own opinion and experience is that WE 9.3 is still a product under
development and is not yet ready for the Market.  

Milage may vary, and Others might have different opinions.  

Grumpy Dave



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RE: anyone using vipre antibirus

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Bill,

Which version of Malwarebytes do you use?

I had found that the latest versions did not read successfully with
Window-Eyes and so am currently using an old version which is more
accessible.


Regards, John



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Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 5:14 PM
To: 'Casey'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: anyone using vipre antibirus

I used Vipre for a while until I found out that it had some big problems.
After hearing that is was not reliable, I removed it and ran Malwarebytes
which found twenty some serious issues.  Vipre had been telling me that
everything was fine.  

If you're still running XP, I recommend Bit Defender.  I have always found
Microsoft Security Essentials to be friendly and to work well with Vista and
Windows 7 and I now use Windows Defender with Windows 10.  I have had no
virus problems, since I don't take chances and don't browse risky web sites.


Bill


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Behalf Of Casey via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 8:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: anyone using vipre antibirus

Hi I would like to know if anyone hear is using vipre antivirus and 
would you recommended it?
I ma thinking about changing antiviruses and heard about this one and 
wondered if any window-eye users out hear are using and how well they 
like it and what they think of it.


-- 
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RE: anyone using vipre antibirus

[John Farley via Talk]

Thanks Bill.

Do you use the free or pro version?

It is the pro version I have problems with.
I cannot insert both the id and the key in order to activate it.

I have got nowhere with the software suppliers, although they have tried to
help.

As they have no record of the issue I describe above, then I have assumed it
is to do with Window-Eyes preventing something.



Regards, John



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From: Bill Belew [mailto:b...@mind.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 5:06 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com
Subject: RE: anyone using vipre antibirus

Hi John,

I use the latest version of Malwarebytes.  Once you learn its quirks, it is
pretty much as accessible as the old version.  

Bill


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From: John Farley [mailto:john_far...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:40 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: 'Bill Belew'; 'Casey'
Subject: RE: anyone using vipre antibirus

Thank you.

Yes, I know. I use Microsoft Security Essentials.



Regards, John



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From: cov...@ccs.covici.com [mailto:cov...@ccs.covici.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 12:07 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: 'Bill Belew'; 'Casey'
Subject: Re: anyone using vipre antibirus

And remember Malware bytes is not an anti-virus, so you need another
package if you just use that.

John Farley via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hello Bill,
> 
> Which version of Malwarebytes do you use?
> 
> I had found that the latest versions did not read successfully with
> Window-Eyes and so am currently using an old version which is more
> accessible.
> 
> 
> Regards, John
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Bill Belew via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 5:14 PM
> To: 'Casey'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: anyone using vipre antibirus
> 
> I used Vipre for a while until I found out that it had some big problems.
> After hearing that is was not reliable, I removed it and ran Malwarebytes
> which found twenty some serious issues.  Vipre had been telling me that
> everything was fine.  
> 
> If you're still running XP, I recommend Bit Defender.  I have always found
> Microsoft Security Essentials to be friendly and to work well with Vista
and
> Windows 7 and I now use Windows Defender with Windows 10.  I have had no
> virus problems, since I don't take chances and don't browse risky web
sites.
> 
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+bill=mind@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Casey via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 8:37 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: anyone using vipre antibirus
> 
> Hi I would like to know if anyone hear is using vipre antivirus and 
> would you recommended it?
> I ma thinking about changing antiviruses and heard about this one and 
> wondered if any window-eye users out hear are using and how well they 
> like it and what they think of it.
> 
> 
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RE: anyone using vipre antibirus

[John Farley via Talk]

Thank you.

Yes, I know. I use Microsoft Security Essentials.



Regards, John



-Original Message-
From: cov...@ccs.covici.com [mailto:cov...@ccs.covici.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 12:07 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: 'Bill Belew'; 'Casey'
Subject: Re: anyone using vipre antibirus

And remember Malware bytes is not an anti-virus, so you need another
package if you just use that.

John Farley via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hello Bill,
> 
> Which version of Malwarebytes do you use?
> 
> I had found that the latest versions did not read successfully with
> Window-Eyes and so am currently using an old version which is more
> accessible.
> 
> 
> Regards, John
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Bill Belew via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 5:14 PM
> To: 'Casey'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: anyone using vipre antibirus
> 
> I used Vipre for a while until I found out that it had some big problems.
> After hearing that is was not reliable, I removed it and ran Malwarebytes
> which found twenty some serious issues.  Vipre had been telling me that
> everything was fine.  
> 
> If you're still running XP, I recommend Bit Defender.  I have always found
> Microsoft Security Essentials to be friendly and to work well with Vista
and
> Windows 7 and I now use Windows Defender with Windows 10.  I have had no
> virus problems, since I don't take chances and don't browse risky web
sites.
> 
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+bill=mind@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Casey via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 8:37 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: anyone using vipre antibirus
> 
> Hi I would like to know if anyone hear is using vipre antivirus and 
> would you recommended it?
> I ma thinking about changing antiviruses and heard about this one and 
> wondered if any window-eye users out hear are using and how well they 
> like it and what they think of it.
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WE9.3 Outlook 2010 list heading

[John Farley via Talk]

Dear list,

I have installed WE 9.3.1 on my Windows 7 pro PC with Office 2010 Pro also
in use on it.

When looking through a list of e-mails in Outlook 2010 the words "from",
"subject" and "date" etc. have now reappeared.

I cannot find out how to switch these back to not appearing.

Can someone please remind me?

Thank you.



Regards, John




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WE 9.3.1 Upgrade

[John Farley via Talk]

The upgrade has now worked.
As suggested, must have been overstretched infrastructure.



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RE: Downloading WE 9.2

[John Farley via Talk]

Dear list,

I now have the latest version of Window-Eyes on my PC, thanks to the guys in
the support team.

This kind of superb support is what really makes the team stand out.



Regards, John



-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:57 AM
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Subject: Downloading WE 9.2 

Dear list,

I have a fully licenced version of Window-Eyes 9.2.1 running on my PC.

I am considring migrating to Windows 10 as it looks as if the users on this
list are now on it without too much incident.

I have two questions:

How do I download and not re-install a current version of the software. I
would like this just in case I have any issues when on Windows 10?

Does the migration from Windows 7 to Windows 10 work effectively? While I
have read the literature about it there may have been some quirks that
actual use bought to light.

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, John





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Downloading WE 9.2

[John Farley via Talk]

Dear list,

I have a fully licenced version of Window-Eyes 9.2.1 running on my PC.

I am considring migrating to Windows 10 as it looks as if the users on this
list are now on it without too much incident.

I have two questions:

How do I download and not re-install a current version of the software. I
would like this just in case I have any issues when on Windows 10?

Does the migration from Windows 7 to Windows 10 work effectively? While I
have read the literature about it there may have been some quirks that
actual use bought to light.

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, John





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FW: opening programs and having to alt tab into them anyway

[John Farley via Talk]

Scot and Tom,

The behaviour described by Scot below has also been happening to me and
started at around the same time.

I am using Windows 7 Pro 64 bit with all updates.
Currently with WE 9.2.1

I did not report it as there were other issues going on which struck me as
more important.

Regards, John


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Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 6:19 PM
To: Scott VanDeWalle; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: opening programs and having to alt tab into them anyway

I've never seen this or heard of anyone else seeing it. They'd all be 
screaming if this were a common problem. Unfortunately I can't imagine 
why launching a program from the desktop doesn't bring it into focus.

Tom


On 11/3/2015 12:03 PM, Scott VanDeWalle via Talk wrote:
> Hello everyone.
> Hope all is well.
>
> Here is my problem, and it has been going on for a while now,
> deffinately since the 9.0 days until today 9.2.
> Whenever I open a program, it doesn't matter which one from the desktop,
> I need to alt tab to get to the program I just opened.
> Is this fixable with window eyes.
> I do not have this problem in any other screen reader.
> I'm using windows ten.
> But I believe this also was an issue with 8.1
> Thank you.
>
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Windows 10 usage

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello list,

I have just upgraded to Windows 10.

I am using WE 9.2 and Office 2010.

Are there any tips on how to use this effectively?



Regards, John





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RE: downloading window-eyes 9.2

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello Hui Thian 

Please see the following extracted from the read me for WE 9.2:

   3. As of Window-Eyes 9.2, all legacy Windows XP support has ended. If you
wish to use Window-Eyes 9.2 and you are still running XP, you must upgrade
to a more modern operating system.


I hope this helps.

Regards, John


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Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 4:44 PM
To: Reeva Webb via Talk
Subject: downloading window-eyes 9.2

Hi, I am using window xp and I am trying to download window-eyes 9.2 but I
can't seem to download. please advise what happen. when I click on save file
it doesn't save at all. thanks
Best Regards
Hui Thian
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RE: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

[John Farley via Talk]

Also, stop using your credit cards and ATM cards.
You will have to go back to a cash society.



Regards, John


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Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 8:01 AM
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Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

My response? If you are so concerned with privacy, switch everything off 
including your internet, computers and devices and so on.

On 01/08/2015 00:34, tchild via Talk wrote:
 Big Brother is watching!!! Is USA the new commies on the block?

 -Original Message- From: Sunshine via Talk
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 5:38 PM
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 Subject: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

 are you willing to give up your privacy for windows 10?

http://betanews.com/2015/07/31/the-real-price-of-windows-10-is-your-privacy/


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RE: ot, I phone question

[John Farley via Talk]

I have an IPhone 5, but I expect it is the same.

Once in the Messages app, there is a button at the top called edit.
Press that one.
Then select each message you want to delete.
Then go down to the delete button.

That should do the trick.



Regards, John


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Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 2:26 PM
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Subject: OT, I phone question

Hello, I have the I phone 5S and haven�t been able to figure out how to delete 
old txt messages using the voice over. If someone knows how I would be most 
grateful if you would share the steps with me.
Thanks Tony
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