RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi Richard, So how would a sighted person cope in this situation? They wouldn't have anyone to ring up who would jump to your command and come running to you for free, would they? All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: 17 May 2017 18:44 To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration No of course not however why can't these companies have people to work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go to work. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and not as easy as you may think. I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful from my viewpoint. It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on help. I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things. >I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced >aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development >tools. Screen readers are there to help all of us. And that means >having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will >not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 >(M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | >Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original >Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne ><russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List ><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if >this what does happen. >I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use >Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I >have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should >be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM >To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' ><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: >Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were >labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the >windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, >forwarded, read etc. It does in window eyes. -Original >Message----- >From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, >2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: >RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you >want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe >always will be. But not configurable enough. All the best Steve >--
RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration
You can do the following as well 1 press windows R. 2 type the following Jaws18 3 press enter. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 8:03 AM To: David Moore; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration Until you set up a hot key, you can go to the desktop and provideing that you only have one Icon on your desktop that starts with the letter J you can then press J and hit enter to start Jaws. -Original Message- From: David Moore via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:55 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration The keystroke to open JAWS is whatever you make it. Most people make it alt+CTRL+J. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:28 AM To: 'gosselin_louis'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration As stated in the migrating podcasts I forget what one Jaws doesn't set one by default. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:17 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration Once you've shut Jaws down with Numpad Insert-F4, What is the keystroke that restarts Jaws? Louis Gosselin ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jesusloves1966 %40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40media combb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration
Until you set up a hot key, you can go to the desktop and provideing that you only have one Icon on your desktop that starts with the letter J you can then press J and hit enter to start Jaws. -Original Message- From: David Moore via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:55 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration The keystroke to open JAWS is whatever you make it. Most people make it alt+CTRL+J. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:28 AM To: 'gosselin_louis'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration As stated in the migrating podcasts I forget what one Jaws doesn't set one by default. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:17 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration Once you've shut Jaws down with Numpad Insert-F4, What is the keystroke that restarts Jaws? Louis Gosselin ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jesusloves1966%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration
The keystroke to open JAWS is whatever you make it. Most people make it alt+CTRL+J. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:28 AM To: 'gosselin_louis'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration As stated in the migrating podcasts I forget what one Jaws doesn't set one by default. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:17 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration Once you've shut Jaws down with Numpad Insert-F4, What is the keystroke that restarts Jaws? Louis Gosselin ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jesusloves1966%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Dear Raul, Can we chat offlist about this training or some of your precious time? regards Thomas N. Chan -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 3:07 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However, this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free while most will want to be charged for their time. Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > No of course not however why can't these companies have people to work from > home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home > from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am > doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? > Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go to work. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of John Farley via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM > To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion > List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' > <juanhernande...@gmail.com> > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Richard, > > Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who > just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, > find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to > wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? > Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog > and not as easy as you may think. > > I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful > from my viewpoint. > It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as > well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. > > I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands > on help. > I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching > visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on > vacation. > > > > > Regards, John > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM > To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > if you a computer engineer you know a lot more > than I do and people like you should help other > blind people by giving them hands on training if > you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >> Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all >> need different things. I am a computer >> engineer, so I need access to some of the more >> advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my >> various software development tools. Screen >> readers are there to help all of us. And that >> means having lots of features that some of us >> will use and that others will not. Best, Juan >> Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 >> (M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | >> Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original >> Message- From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ >> Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes >> Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I >> don't like that either if this what does happen. >> I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 >> and at home I still use Eudor
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi Grumpy Dave. You have every right to be grumpy. Unfortunately, there wiill always be, and have always been people who think that they can/should get what they want through demanding. I have always found, through highschool, university and then in my job, a good attitude and approach towards others will make them want to help you, but apparently, some people don't get that and never will. Kevin Huber On 5/17/17, Dave via Talkwrote: > I am always taken a back by those who sincerely believe they have the > right to demand help from others who have the skills or the knowledge. > > I see nothing wrong with asking someone for help, but to expect it, or > demand it, just comes off as the ugly Entitled Attitudes we are seeing > far too much of in the last few years > -- > > Most people who have skills, are willing to share them if asked politely, > but when they are demanded, and there is very little Thanks after the > help has been given, it produces a Smell that is very unappealing. > > I am not sure what to call this growing trend of entitlement, but it > sure stincks! > > Grumpy Dave > > > > Dave > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
I plan to stay with Window Eyes as long as I can, but will take the JAWS offer and try to learn it in case I have to use it. I have tried a demo in the past but did not like it but I did not have to rely on it. I also will be using NVDA as needed.- Original Message - From: Tony C via Talk To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:48 PM Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I think someone would have to be a bit dim-witted not to take the offer. -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:37 PM To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hello Orlando, There was, at least for me, a good reason to migrate Sooner rather than later. If I wait around too long, say after the end of July, the VFO offer to register me with a Free Copy of JAWS 18 would go away, and I would then need to fork out $1000. Plus, I really had nothing to lose by taking the offer from VFO. Window Eyes is working well enough, for now, and I have also been using NVDA, which has been doing what I need it to do at Work. I can take my time to learn JAWS, since I have two other Screen Readers to use until I come up to speed with Jaws. From what I've seen of Jaws so far, Jaws is a very powerful Screen Reader. Learning Jaws is something like moving to a new neighborhood, after living in another neighborhood for 20 or more years. The new neighborhood is different, and Unknown.As a blind man, I now need to learn my way to a few places, such as the Grocery store, Drug Store, and to the Bus stops. The Curbs are similar but different. The street crossings are similar and yet different. Even the Sidewalks are similar, and yet they too are different. Jaws is the same. jaws does many of the things Window Eyes does, just in slightly different ways. Terms and Features are different or Similar to Window Eyes terms and Features. I think VFO put some thought into their offer to Window Eyes users, and they were ready with Tutorials for those who would Migrate. They didn't need to do this. They could have just told all new users of Jaws to wade through the existing Help Documentation-- which might have been more than enough for most. But, instead they did what they did to help Window Eyes users make the transition smoothly. As migrators, we do need to put in some effort to learn the new Screen Reader. insisting that VFO some how owes all of us some extra special training is just another example of that Spoiled Handicapper EntitlementMentality, that is so ugly. Like moving into the New Neighborhood, by walking around, doing some exploration, all will make the new and unfamiliar neighborhood become familiar and like Home. It takes effort though. Effort on your part, not on VFO's part. Grumpy Dave Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net> ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration
As stated in the migrating podcasts I forget what one Jaws doesn't set one by default. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:17 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration Once you've shut Jaws down with Numpad Insert-F4, What is the keystroke that restarts Jaws? Louis Gosselin ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration
By default, there is no shortcut key assigned to start JAWS. You can, however, set up a shortcut key, like CTRL-ALT-J to start JAWS. Here's a link to the podcast that talks about doing this and runs you through it. http://getwindoweyes.com/migrate/02_BasicHotkeys.mp3 Raul does a great job explaining this. Hope this helps. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:17 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'Subject: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration Once you've shut Jaws down with Numpad Insert-F4, What is the keystroke that restarts Jaws? Louis Gosselin ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/joseph.norton% 40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Thanks. On 5/17/2017 9:41 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote: > Hey Nick, > > I suggest starting on the Window-Eyes migration page of AI Squaared. > Raul gives some really neat short tutorials from a Window-eyes > prospective that are really helpful. Jaws has some really neat on-board > tutorials where you can listen while you performwhat the tutorial is > explaining. > > Take your time and learn a little at a time. > > Brenda > > On 5/17/2017 7:07 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >> Question: >> >> Is there much in the way of training matterial and tutorials >> (specifically) on Youtube? >> >> On 5/17/2017 4:56 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote: >>> Hi, As good as the trainning materials are, and the Jaws help. If >>> someone can't take the time to read and listen to the materials that >>> cover the area they need help with, then that's pretty lazy in my >>> opinion. I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and quite a bit has changed and >>> I've forgotten a heck of a lot. I've had to ask a few questions, and >>> I've listened to a little of the trainning materials that are in the >>> Daisey books. So far I'm impressed with the way Jaws is working for me, >>> and I'm happy with all the contact that I have had with VFO. Tony >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:07 PM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration >>> >>> Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is >>> willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However, >>> this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if >>> you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you >>> might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really >>> need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free >>> while most will want to be charged for their time. >>> >>> >>> Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Raul A. Gallegos >>> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions >>> Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 >>> Office: 832.639.4477 >>> Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com >>> Work Email: train...@rgats.com >>> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer >>> >>> “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - >>> David Thornburg >>> >>> On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >>>> No of course not however why can't these companies have people to >>>> work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect >>>> example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or >>>> whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I >>>> encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning >>>> since I must go to work. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Talk >>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On >>>> Behalf Of John Farley via Talk >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM >>>> To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes >>>> Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' >>>> <juanhernande...@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration >>>> >>>> Richard, >>>> >>>> Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, >>>> who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a >>>> long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the >>>> PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them >>>> out? >>>> Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard >>>> slog and not as easy as you may think. >>>> >>>> I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not >>>> successful from my viewpoint. >>>> It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills >>>> as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up >>>> for. >>>> >>>> I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer >>>> hands on help. >>>> I do, very occasionally, stand in as
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Some people aren't happy unless they bitch -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:47 PM To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Folks are already complaining about the price of Jaws, Hell if they did 24 hr support you could probally add about $300 to the cost of jaws and double the cost of an SMA. I mean they are giving away Jaws to those of us who have kept our WE current, yet people still find something to grip about. -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:18 PM To: Kurlander Richard (75) ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Good Grief! The reason why there is no 24 hours a day Jaws Support is the same as it is for most other companies, Money, Money, Money, and once again, Money. Grumpy Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40media combb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Sounds like a great place to start. WinEyes users have come to enjoy the benefits of the App Central, to download and keep an eye on all the apps been offered for the screen reader. Does there exist any kind of a central place for getting an overview of which scripts would be available for Jaws? Or, is the user left to hunt the complete internet and a few places more, to get an idea of available scripts for the Jaws screen reader? Thanks for some knowledgeable assistance. we sure will need some of that, in the next few weeks. Smiles. David On 5/18/2017 6:40 AM, David Moore via Talk wrote: > Hi all, > I just want to let you know that there are many tutorials and teachings > pertaining to using JAWS with many programs at the following URL: > www.freedomscientific.com > Everything you need to know about JAWS is somewhere on this website. There > are many teachings and tutorials to get you started with JAWS. > David Moore > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Tony C via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:49 PM > To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > I think someone would have to be a bit dim-witted not to take the offer. > > -Original Message- > From: Dave via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:37 PM > To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Hello Orlando, > > There was, at least for me, a good reason to migrate Sooner rather than > later. > > If I wait around too long, say after the end of July, the VFO offer to > register me with a Free Copy of JAWS 18 would go away, and I would then > need to fork out $1000. > > Plus, I really had nothing to lose by taking the offer from VFO. > > Window Eyes is working well enough, for now, and I have also been using > NVDA, which has been doing what I need it to do at Work. I can take my > time to learn JAWS, since I have two other Screen Readers to use until I > come up to speed with Jaws. > > >From what I've seen of Jaws so far, Jaws is a very powerful Screen > Reader. > > Learning Jaws is something like moving to a new neighborhood, after > living in another neighborhood for 20 or more years. The new > neighborhood is different, and Unknown.As a blind man, I now need to > learn my way to a few places, such as the Grocery store, Drug Store, > and to the Bus stops. The Curbs are similar but different. The street > crossings are similar and yet different. > > Even the Sidewalks are similar, and yet they too are different. > > Jaws is the same. jaws does many of the things Window Eyes does, just > in slightly different ways. Terms and Features are different or Similar > to Window Eyes terms and Features. > > > I think VFO put some thought into their offer to Window Eyes users, and > they were ready with Tutorials for those who would Migrate. They > didn't need to do this. They could have just told all new users of Jaws > to wade through the existing Help Documentation-- which might have > been more than enough for most. But, instead they did what they did to > help Window Eyes users make the transition smoothly. > > As migrators, we do need to put in some effort to learn the new Screen > Reader. insisting that VFO some how owes all of us some extra special > training is just another example of that Spoiled Handicapper > EntitlementMentality, that is so ugly. > > Like moving into the New Neighborhood, by walking around, doing some > exploration, all will make the new and unfamiliar neighborhood become > familiar and like Home. It takes effort though. Effort on your part, > not on VFO's part. > > Grumpy Dave > > > > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net> > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jesusloves1966%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://li
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi all, I just want to let you know that there are many tutorials and teachings pertaining to using JAWS with many programs at the following URL: www.freedomscientific.com Everything you need to know about JAWS is somewhere on this website. There are many teachings and tutorials to get you started with JAWS. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:49 PM To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I think someone would have to be a bit dim-witted not to take the offer. -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:37 PM To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hello Orlando, There was, at least for me, a good reason to migrate Sooner rather than later. If I wait around too long, say after the end of July, the VFO offer to register me with a Free Copy of JAWS 18 would go away, and I would then need to fork out $1000. Plus, I really had nothing to lose by taking the offer from VFO. Window Eyes is working well enough, for now, and I have also been using NVDA, which has been doing what I need it to do at Work. I can take my time to learn JAWS, since I have two other Screen Readers to use until I come up to speed with Jaws. >From what I've seen of Jaws so far, Jaws is a very powerful Screen Reader. Learning Jaws is something like moving to a new neighborhood, after living in another neighborhood for 20 or more years. The new neighborhood is different, and Unknown.As a blind man, I now need to learn my way to a few places, such as the Grocery store, Drug Store, and to the Bus stops. The Curbs are similar but different. The street crossings are similar and yet different. Even the Sidewalks are similar, and yet they too are different. Jaws is the same. jaws does many of the things Window Eyes does, just in slightly different ways. Terms and Features are different or Similar to Window Eyes terms and Features. I think VFO put some thought into their offer to Window Eyes users, and they were ready with Tutorials for those who would Migrate. They didn't need to do this. They could have just told all new users of Jaws to wade through the existing Help Documentation-- which might have been more than enough for most. But, instead they did what they did to help Window Eyes users make the transition smoothly. As migrators, we do need to put in some effort to learn the new Screen Reader. insisting that VFO some how owes all of us some extra special training is just another example of that Spoiled Handicapper EntitlementMentality, that is so ugly. Like moving into the New Neighborhood, by walking around, doing some exploration, all will make the new and unfamiliar neighborhood become familiar and like Home. It takes effort though. Effort on your part, not on VFO's part. Grumpy Dave Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net> ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jesusloves1966%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi Grumpy Dave and all, My name is David Moore. I just joined this list to let people know that I am here for you to help you with the transition to JAWS. JAWS uses the numpad a lot for desktop layout, and there are commands for the laptop layout without a numpad as well. I am here to answer all of your questions about JAWS. I have been a JAWS user for 15 years, and I use NVDA a lot as well. If any of you need tutorials for JAWS or NVDA, I can help you a lot with both Screen readers. Take care! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:49 PM To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I think someone would have to be a bit dim-witted not to take the offer. -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:37 PM To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hello Orlando, There was, at least for me, a good reason to migrate Sooner rather than later. If I wait around too long, say after the end of July, the VFO offer to register me with a Free Copy of JAWS 18 would go away, and I would then need to fork out $1000. Plus, I really had nothing to lose by taking the offer from VFO. Window Eyes is working well enough, for now, and I have also been using NVDA, which has been doing what I need it to do at Work. I can take my time to learn JAWS, since I have two other Screen Readers to use until I come up to speed with Jaws. >From what I've seen of Jaws so far, Jaws is a very powerful Screen Reader. Learning Jaws is something like moving to a new neighborhood, after living in another neighborhood for 20 or more years. The new neighborhood is different, and Unknown.As a blind man, I now need to learn my way to a few places, such as the Grocery store, Drug Store, and to the Bus stops. The Curbs are similar but different. The street crossings are similar and yet different. Even the Sidewalks are similar, and yet they too are different. Jaws is the same. jaws does many of the things Window Eyes does, just in slightly different ways. Terms and Features are different or Similar to Window Eyes terms and Features. I think VFO put some thought into their offer to Window Eyes users, and they were ready with Tutorials for those who would Migrate. They didn't need to do this. They could have just told all new users of Jaws to wade through the existing Help Documentation-- which might have been more than enough for most. But, instead they did what they did to help Window Eyes users make the transition smoothly. As migrators, we do need to put in some effort to learn the new Screen Reader. insisting that VFO some how owes all of us some extra special training is just another example of that Spoiled Handicapper EntitlementMentality, that is so ugly. Like moving into the New Neighborhood, by walking around, doing some exploration, all will make the new and unfamiliar neighborhood become familiar and like Home. It takes effort though. Effort on your part, not on VFO's part. Grumpy Dave Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net> ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jesusloves1966%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
I think someone would have to be a bit dim-witted not to take the offer. -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:37 PM To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hello Orlando, There was, at least for me, a good reason to migrate Sooner rather than later. If I wait around too long, say after the end of July, the VFO offer to register me with a Free Copy of JAWS 18 would go away, and I would then need to fork out $1000. Plus, I really had nothing to lose by taking the offer from VFO. Window Eyes is working well enough, for now, and I have also been using NVDA, which has been doing what I need it to do at Work. I can take my time to learn JAWS, since I have two other Screen Readers to use until I come up to speed with Jaws. From what I've seen of Jaws so far, Jaws is a very powerful Screen Reader. Learning Jaws is something like moving to a new neighborhood, after living in another neighborhood for 20 or more years. The new neighborhood is different, and Unknown.As a blind man, I now need to learn my way to a few places, such as the Grocery store, Drug Store, and to the Bus stops. The Curbs are similar but different. The street crossings are similar and yet different. Even the Sidewalks are similar, and yet they too are different. Jaws is the same. jaws does many of the things Window Eyes does, just in slightly different ways. Terms and Features are different or Similar to Window Eyes terms and Features. I think VFO put some thought into their offer to Window Eyes users, and they were ready with Tutorials for those who would Migrate. They didn't need to do this. They could have just told all new users of Jaws to wade through the existing Help Documentation-- which might have been more than enough for most. But, instead they did what they did to help Window Eyes users make the transition smoothly. As migrators, we do need to put in some effort to learn the new Screen Reader. insisting that VFO some how owes all of us some extra special training is just another example of that Spoiled Handicapper EntitlementMentality, that is so ugly. Like moving into the New Neighborhood, by walking around, doing some exploration, all will make the new and unfamiliar neighborhood become familiar and like Home. It takes effort though. Effort on your part, not on VFO's part. Grumpy Dave Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net> ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Again, VFO has made some good Starter Tutorials for Window Eyes users. I would guess that Jaws already has a fair amount of other Tutorials telling of the other, more in depth features than just basics. And of course, there are always lists like this one to ask other, more experienced Jaws users those questions you cannot find answers for in available documentation. People here have shown a lot of generosity when it comes to sharing their knowledge. Be Thankful, and ask what you need to ask, and Help others when you can Help. Grumpy Dave -- Dave___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Folks are already complaining about the price of Jaws, Hell if they did 24 hr support you could probally add about $300 to the cost of jaws and double the cost of an SMA. I mean they are giving away Jaws to those of us who have kept our WE current, yet people still find something to grip about. -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:18 PM To: Kurlander Richard (75) ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Good Grief! The reason why there is no 24 hours a day Jaws Support is the same as it is for most other companies, Money, Money, Money, and once again, Money. Grumpy Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hello Orlando, There was, at least for me, a good reason to migrate Sooner rather than later. If I wait around too long, say after the end of July, the VFO offer to register me with a Free Copy of JAWS 18 would go away, and I would then need to fork out $1000. Plus, I really had nothing to lose by taking the offer from VFO. Window Eyes is working well enough, for now, and I have also been using NVDA, which has been doing what I need it to do at Work. I can take my time to learn JAWS, since I have two other Screen Readers to use until I come up to speed with Jaws. >From what I've seen of Jaws so far, Jaws is a very powerful Screen Reader. Learning Jaws is something like moving to a new neighborhood, after living in another neighborhood for 20 or more years. The new neighborhood is different, and Unknown.As a blind man, I now need to learn my way to a few places, such as the Grocery store, Drug Store, and to the Bus stops. The Curbs are similar but different. The street crossings are similar and yet different. Even the Sidewalks are similar, and yet they too are different. Jaws is the same. jaws does many of the things Window Eyes does, just in slightly different ways. Terms and Features are different or Similar to Window Eyes terms and Features. I think VFO put some thought into their offer to Window Eyes users, and they were ready with Tutorials for those who would Migrate. They didn't need to do this. They could have just told all new users of Jaws to wade through the existing Help Documentation-- which might have been more than enough for most. But, instead they did what they did to help Window Eyes users make the transition smoothly. As migrators, we do need to put in some effort to learn the new Screen Reader. insisting that VFO some how owes all of us some extra special training is just another example of that Spoiled Handicapper EntitlementMentality, that is so ugly. Like moving into the New Neighborhood, by walking around, doing some exploration, all will make the new and unfamiliar neighborhood become familiar and like Home. It takes effort though. Effort on your part, not on VFO's part. Grumpy Dave Dave___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hey Nick, I suggest starting on the Window-Eyes migration page of AI Squaared. Raul gives some really neat short tutorials from a Window-eyes prospective that are really helpful. Jaws has some really neat on-board tutorials where you can listen while you performwhat the tutorial is explaining. Take your time and learn a little at a time. Brenda On 5/17/2017 7:07 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: Question: Is there much in the way of training matterial and tutorials (specifically) on Youtube? On 5/17/2017 4:56 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote: Hi, As good as the trainning materials are, and the Jaws help. If someone can't take the time to read and listen to the materials that cover the area they need help with, then that's pretty lazy in my opinion. I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and quite a bit has changed and I've forgotten a heck of a lot. I've had to ask a few questions, and I've listened to a little of the trainning materials that are in the Daisey books. So far I'm impressed with the way Jaws is working for me, and I'm happy with all the contact that I have had with VFO. Tony -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:07 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However, this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free while most will want to be charged for their time. Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: No of course not however why can't these companies have people to work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go to work. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and not as easy as you may think. I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful from my viewpoint. It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on help. I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things. I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development tools. Screen readers are there to help all of us. And that means having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On B
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Show me the money! Show me the money! LOL. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:34 PM To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Good gollly miss Molly, I mean Dave. Can't you for once just give it to us straight? Hahaahaaha! On 5/17/2017 9:18 PM, Dave via Talk wrote: Good Grief! The reason why there is no 24 hours a day Jaws Support is the same as it is for most other companies, Money, Money, Money, and once again, Money. Grumpy Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Good gollly miss Molly, I mean Dave. Can't you for once just give it to us straight? Hahaahaaha! On 5/17/2017 9:18 PM, Dave via Talk wrote: Good Grief! The reason why there is no 24 hours a day Jaws Support is the same as it is for most other companies, Money, Money, Money, and once again, Money. Grumpy Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Good Grief! The reason why there is no 24 hours a day Jaws Support is the same as it is for most other companies, Money, Money, Money, and once again, Money. Grumpy Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Yeah, if it's free. duh. However if it requires money esp. If it's north of $200 thinking is required. This is the situation i am facing with my we version of zt fusion. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 17, 2017 6:20 PM, "Matthew Chao via Talk"wrote: > You'd be a fool not to.--Matthew Chao. > > > > On 5/17/2017 7:09 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: > >> It is true that WE may work just fine for a good long while. However if >> you have a up to date copy of WE Why wouldn't you take the offer for a free >> copy of JAWS? >> >> On 5/17/2017 6:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote: >> >>> At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >>> >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I >>> find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I thought >>> it would be. lol. >>> >>> >>> Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an >>> application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another screen >>> reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to migrate in order >>> to be productive. The only need for migration is in a case where >>> Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, you would have >>> switched screen readers anyway. >>> Orlando Enrique Fiol >>> >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o >>> ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comcast.net. >>> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l >>> istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p >>> rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o >> ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mattchao%40verizon.net. >> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l >> istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p >> rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o > ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l > istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p > rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
I agree. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:20 PM To: Don H via Talk Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration You'd be a fool not to.--Matthew Chao. On 5/17/2017 7:09 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: > It is true that WE may work just fine for a good long while. However > if you have a up to date copy of WE Why wouldn't you take the offer > for a free copy of JAWS? > > On 5/17/2017 6:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote: >> At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >> >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I >> find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I >> thought it would be. lol. >> >> >> Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an >> application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another >> screen reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to >> migrate in order to be productive. The only need for migration is in >> a case where Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, >> you would have switched screen readers anyway. >> Orlando Enrique Fiol >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comc ast.net. >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mattchao%40ver izon.net. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
You'd be a fool not to.--Matthew Chao. On 5/17/2017 7:09 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is true that WE may work just fine for a good long while. However if you have a up to date copy of WE Why wouldn't you take the offer for a free copy of JAWS? On 5/17/2017 6:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote: At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I thought it would be. lol. Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another screen reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to migrate in order to be productive. The only need for migration is in a case where Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, you would have switched screen readers anyway. Orlando Enrique Fiol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mattchao%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
The following i feel is legit concern: Nothing will be gained by recriminating Richard for his attitude or posting frequency. The central issue here revolves around the kind of help people need. VFO might do well to consider more advanced tutorials specifically geared toward advanced Window-eyes users making cause of its conceptual architecture. This approach would obviously be different than a one-to-one correspondence between hotkeys or cursoring keys. Does Jaws have equivalents for browse mode? If so, how is its verbosity structure accessed? What sorts of free Jaws apps are there that would correspond to many Window-eyes apps on App Central? What can users do when Window-eyes reads a windows screen that Jaws cannot? These are the types of questions that advanced users would probably have. Addressing advanced users of we who are making the switch isn't whinning. May tutorials come on these things in time, maybe. I'd highly suggest it. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 17, 2017 6:04 PM, "Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk" < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I find > that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I thought it > would be. lol. > > > Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an > application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another screen > reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to migrate in order > to be productive. The only need for migration is in a case where > Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, you would have > switched screen readers anyway. > Orlando Enrique Fiol > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o > ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l > istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p > rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
The main reason to migrate is to take advantage of the offer. On 5/17/2017 7:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote: > At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I > find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I > thought it would be. lol. > > > Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an > application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another > screen reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to migrate > in order to be productive. The only need for migration is in a case > where Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, you would > have switched screen readers anyway. > Orlando Enrique Fiol > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. > > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
It is true that WE may work just fine for a good long while. However if you have a up to date copy of WE Why wouldn't you take the offer for a free copy of JAWS? On 5/17/2017 6:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote: At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I thought it would be. lol. Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another screen reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to migrate in order to be productive. The only need for migration is in a case where Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, you would have switched screen readers anyway. Orlando Enrique Fiol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Question: Is there much in the way of training matterial and tutorials (specifically) on Youtube? On 5/17/2017 4:56 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote: > Hi, As good as the trainning materials are, and the Jaws help. If > someone can't take the time to read and listen to the materials that > cover the area they need help with, then that's pretty lazy in my > opinion. I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and quite a bit has changed and > I've forgotten a heck of a lot. I've had to ask a few questions, and > I've listened to a little of the trainning materials that are in the > Daisey books. So far I'm impressed with the way Jaws is working for me, > and I'm happy with all the contact that I have had with VFO. Tony > > -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:07 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is > willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However, > this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if > you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you > might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really > need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free > while most will want to be charged for their time. > > > Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know. > > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos > Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions > Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 > Office: 832.639.4477 > Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com > Work Email: train...@rgats.com > Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer > > “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - > David Thornburg > > On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >> No of course not however why can't these companies have people to >> work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect >> example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or >> whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I >> encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning >> since I must go to work. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of John Farley via Talk >> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM >> To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes >> Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' >> <juanhernande...@gmail.com> >> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration >> >> Richard, >> >> Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, >> who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a >> long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the >> PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? >> Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard >> slog and not as easy as you may think. >> >> I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not >> successful from my viewpoint. >> It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills >> as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. >> >> I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer >> hands on help. >> I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for >> teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual >> trainer is on vacation. >> >> >> >> >> Regards, John >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk >> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM >> To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration >> >> if you a computer engineer you know a lot more >> than I do and people like you should help other >> blind people by giving them hands on training if >> you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >>> Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all >>> need different things. I am a computer >>> engineer, so I need access to some of the more >>> advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my >>> various
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I thought it would be. lol. Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another screen reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to migrate in order to be productive. The only need for migration is in a case where Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, you would have switched screen readers anyway. Orlando Enrique Fiol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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That's correct VFO could have just said W E is done and if you want Jaws then buy it. Let's quit complaining and use that time to learn Jaws. lol -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:50 PM To: 'Orlando Enrique Fiol' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration No your wrong VFO doesn't have to do anything! You're not entitled to anything! If you had sma' S they could've refunded you for what wasn't used and said we aren't upgrading you to jaws 18. They certainly didn't have to give those that were current a copy of jaws they did so those that think there entitled to things just because you need to learn a new screen reader you're not! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:46 PM To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration At 02:37 PM 5/17/2017, John Farley via Talk wrote: You have missed the point again. These people you would like to work from home will require paying; >they will not do it for nothing. Not only that, if they are working from home their employers may well need to supply their kit and internet access for them to ensure the correct level of security is available. Either that or the service company works shifts to provide a greater level of hours covered. That will cost. I fear that a vital point is being missed here. Let's assume that Richard uses Window-eyes well enough to function at home and work, and that any improvements he needs to make can be handled on his own time. Learning a new screen reader is not the same as improving usage of a screen reader one knows well. If someone decides to switch screen readers, they are of course responsible for mastering the new learning curve. But in this situation, we are all being forced to migrate to Jaws or to use another screen reader, at such a time when Window-eyes becomes unusable. This is not a situation of our own making or choosing. Therefore some tutorial responsibility is incumbent on VFO for producing these circumstances in the first place. I would, however, stop short of demanding that such a tutorial be made available one-on-one and free of charge. As long as online tutorials are comprehensive rather than brief and sketchy, VFO will have fulfilled its obligations to migrating Window-eyes users. That's an important distinction to be made here. There is a difference between what certain users might prefer and what constitutes reasonable accommodation of migrating Window-eyes users. Orlando Enrique Fiol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Since Window Eyes hasn't just suddenly been rendered un-useable, why are people freaking over having to learn or relearn Jaws? There's ample time to learn at your own pace. Just download and use the trainning materials and you'll be surprised that it won't take very long at all to become proficent with Jaws. VFO is allowing everyone who are current with WE to make the switch at no cost, and their tech support is there, either VIA phone or E-mail. If you have a question that needs an answer to ASAP and it's after hours then do the same thing you did with G W Micro, read the help materials or send an e mail and wait for a response. -Original Message- From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:45 PM To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration At 02:37 PM 5/17/2017, John Farley via Talk wrote: You have missed the point again. These people you would like to work from home will require paying; they will not do it for nothing. Not only that, if they are working from home their employers may well need to supply their kit and internet access for them to ensure the correct level of security is available. Either that or the service company works shifts to provide a greater level of hours covered. That will cost. I fear that a vital point is being missed here. Let's assume that Richard uses Window-eyes well enough to function at home and work, and that any improvements he needs to make can be handled on his own time. Learning a new screen reader is not the same as improving usage of a screen reader one knows well. If someone decides to switch screen readers, they are of course responsible for mastering the new learning curve. But in this situation, we are all being forced to migrate to Jaws or to use another screen reader, at such a time when Window-eyes becomes unusable. This is not a situation of our own making or choosing. Therefore some tutorial responsibility is incumbent on VFO for producing these circumstances in the first place. I would, however, stop short of demanding that such a tutorial be made available one-on-one and free of charge. As long as online tutorials are comprehensive rather than brief and sketchy, VFO will have fulfilled its obligations to migrating Window-eyes users. That's an important distinction to be made here. There is a difference between what certain users might prefer and what constitutes reasonable accommodation of migrating Window-eyes users. Orlando Enrique Fiol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I thought it would be. lol. -Original Message- From: Robin via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:58 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration some one put a link to download for jaws on this list bcould they please do it again . It's going to be hard to change over after using windoweyes so long. many thanks. Cheers Robin. --- Email Sent using, "Becky!" Internet Mail Client version 2.73". Email: bob@ntlworld.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi, As good as the trainning materials are, and the Jaws help. If someone can't take the time to read and listen to the materials that cover the area they need help with, then that's pretty lazy in my opinion. I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and quite a bit has changed and I've forgotten a heck of a lot. I've had to ask a few questions, and I've listened to a little of the trainning materials that are in the Daisey books. So far I'm impressed with the way Jaws is working for me, and I'm happy with all the contact that I have had with VFO. Tony -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:07 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However, this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free while most will want to be charged for their time. Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: No of course not however why can't these companies have people to work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go to work. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and not as easy as you may think. I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful from my viewpoint. It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on help. I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things. I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development tools. Screen readers are there to help all of us. And that means having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should be made as simple as p
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
No your wrong VFO doesn't have to do anything! You're not entitled to anything! If you had sma' S they could've refunded you for what wasn't used and said we aren't upgrading you to jaws 18. They certainly didn't have to give those that were current a copy of jaws they did so those that think there entitled to things just because you need to learn a new screen reader you're not! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:46 PM To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration At 02:37 PM 5/17/2017, John Farley via Talk wrote: >You have missed the point again. >These people you would like to work from home will require paying; >they will not do it for nothing. >Not only that, if they are working from home their employers may well >need to supply their kit and internet access for them to ensure the >correct level of security is available. >Either that or the service company works shifts to provide a greater >level of hours covered. >That will cost. I fear that a vital point is being missed here. Let's assume that Richard uses Window-eyes well enough to function at home and work, and that any improvements he needs to make can be handled on his own time. Learning a new screen reader is not the same as improving usage of a screen reader one knows well. If someone decides to switch screen readers, they are of course responsible for mastering the new learning curve. But in this situation, we are all being forced to migrate to Jaws or to use another screen reader, at such a time when Window-eyes becomes unusable. This is not a situation of our own making or choosing. Therefore some tutorial responsibility is incumbent on VFO for producing these circumstances in the first place. I would, however, stop short of demanding that such a tutorial be made available one-on-one and free of charge. As long as online tutorials are comprehensive rather than brief and sketchy, VFO will have fulfilled its obligations to migrating Window-eyes users. That's an important distinction to be made here. There is a difference between what certain users might prefer and what constitutes reasonable accommodation of migrating Window-eyes users. Orlando Enrique Fiol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
At 02:37 PM 5/17/2017, John Farley via Talk wrote: >You have missed the point again. >These people you would like to work from home will require paying; >they will not do it for nothing. >Not only that, if they are working from home their employers may well >need to supply their kit and internet access for them to ensure the >correct level of security is available. >Either that or the service company works shifts to provide a greater >level of hours covered. >That will cost. I fear that a vital point is being missed here. Let's assume that Richard uses Window-eyes well enough to function at home and work, and that any improvements he needs to make can be handled on his own time. Learning a new screen reader is not the same as improving usage of a screen reader one knows well. If someone decides to switch screen readers, they are of course responsible for mastering the new learning curve. But in this situation, we are all being forced to migrate to Jaws or to use another screen reader, at such a time when Window-eyes becomes unusable. This is not a situation of our own making or choosing. Therefore some tutorial responsibility is incumbent on VFO for producing these circumstances in the first place. I would, however, stop short of demanding that such a tutorial be made available one-on-one and free of charge. As long as online tutorials are comprehensive rather than brief and sketchy, VFO will have fulfilled its obligations to migrating Window-eyes users. That's an important distinction to be made here. There is a difference between what certain users might prefer and what constitutes reasonable accommodation of migrating Window-eyes users. Orlando Enrique Fiol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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At 02:00 PM 5/17/2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >Richard, >Can you not see your incredible double standard here? Do you have 24/7 >hand-holding support from Microsoft on Windows and every other program >on your computer? >How do you learn to do anything? The closest thing to that is Microsoft's disability answer desk, whose support agents are often based in foreign countries and vary in terms of knowledge. I have found some of them occasionally helpful with Windows issues. >Life isn't served on a silver platter. If you want to learn something >you have to make it a priority. So you may have to skip a ballgame or >concert to do so. It's how the rest of us live. This world doesn't >revolve around me and my needs, my desires, and at my convenience. >Just in the time you've spent running this eternal thread you could have >been learning. You must have quite a job if you can sit there emailing >this list all day. Nothing will be gained by recriminating Richard for his attitude or posting frequency. The central issue here revolves around the kind of help people need. VFO might do well to consider more advanced tutorials specifically geared toward advanced Window-eyes users making cause of its conceptual architecture. This approach would obviously be different than a one-to-one correspondence between hotkeys or cursoring keys. Does Jaws have equivalents for browse mode? If so, how is its verbosity structure accessed? What sorts of free Jaws apps are there that would correspond to many Window-eyes apps on App Central? What can users do when Window-eyes reads a windows screen that Jaws cannot? These are the types of questions that advanced users would probably have. Orlando Enrique Fiol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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some one put a link to download for jaws on this list bcould they please do it again . It's going to be hard to change over after using windoweyes so long. many thanks. Cheers Robin. --- Email Sent using, "Becky!" Internet Mail Client version 2.73". Email: bob@ntlworld.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Depending upon where you live, there may be a local nonprofit organization who provides training on Adaptive Technology. Oftentimes, if you cannot afford to pay, they will find a way to accommodate you as well as they obtain funding from other sources such as State Rehabilitation agencies. If your employment is dependent upon your transitioning to JAWS, then reach out to the State Rehabilitation agency serving your area as they can generally accommodate you especially if your continued employment is contingent upon your learning skills with Adaptive Technology. You generally need to justify this though. You can't just pick up the phone and say you 'need this' or 'need that' put it in writing and you will make more progress. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:07 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However, this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free while most will want to be charged for their time. Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > No of course not however why can't these companies have people to work from > home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home > from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am > doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? > Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go to work. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of John Farley via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM > To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion > List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' > <juanhernande...@gmail.com> > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Richard, > > Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who > just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, > find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to > wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? > Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog > and not as easy as you may think. > > I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful > from my viewpoint. > It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as > well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. > > I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands > on help. > I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching > visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on > vacation. > > > > > Regards, John > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM > To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > if you a computer engineer you know a lot more > than I do and people like you should help other > blind people by giving them hands on training if > you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >> Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all >> need different things. I am a computer >> engineer, so I need access to some of the more >> advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my >> various software development tools. Screen >> readers are there to help all of us. And that >> means having lots of features that some of us >> will use and that others will not. Best, Juan >> Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 >> (M) |
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Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However, this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free while most will want to be charged for their time. Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: No of course not however why can't these companies have people to work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go to work. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and not as easy as you may think. I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful from my viewpoint. It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on help. I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things. I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development tools. Screen readers are there to help all of us. And that means having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, forwarded, read etc. It does in window eyes. -Original Message- From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes D
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Richard, You have missed the point again. These people you would like to work from home will require paying; they will not do it for nothing. Not only that, if they are working from home their employers may well need to supply their kit and internet access for them to ensure the correct level of security is available. Either that or the service company works shifts to provide a greater level of hours covered. That will cost. If your need is that urgent then it may be incumbent on you to call them during their working hours. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) [mailto:rkur...@schools.nyc.gov] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:44 PM To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration No of course not however why can't these companies have people to work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go to work. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and not as easy as you may think. I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful from my viewpoint. It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on help. I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all >need different things. I am a computer >engineer, so I need access to some of the more >advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my >various software development tools. Screen >readers are there to help all of us. And that >means having lots of features that some of us >will use and that others will not. Best, Juan >Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 >(M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | >Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original >Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ >Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes >Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I >don't like that either if this what does happen. >I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 >and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my >client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as >I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel >that screne readers should be made as simple as >possible? -Original Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, >May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt ><st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' ><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion >List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: >Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all >of the graphics were labeled in the windows live >mail app. When I arrow up and down in the >windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say >things like, replied, forwarded, read etc. It >does in window eyes. -Original Messag
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Here's an idea skip a few ball games or concerts and learn your new screen reader your incredibly unreasonable everything isn't handed to you and to expect people to train you because they know more your completely out of touch with the reality! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:44 PM To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration No of course not however why can't these companies have people to work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go to work. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and not as easy as you may think. I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful from my viewpoint. It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on help. I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things. >I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced >aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development >tools. Screen readers are there to help all of us. And that means >having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will >not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 >(M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | >Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original >Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne ><russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List ><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if >this what does happen. >I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use >Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I >have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should >be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM >To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' ><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: >Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were >labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the >windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, >forwarded, read etc. It does in window eyes. -Original >Message----- >From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, >2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: >RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you >want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe >always will be. But not configurable enough. All the
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Richard, Can you not see your incredible double standard here? Do you have 24/7 hand-holding support from Microsoft on Windows and every other program on your computer? How do you learn to do anything? Life isn't served on a silver platter. If you want to learn something you have to make it a priority. So you may have to skip a ballgame or concert to do so. It's how the rest of us live. This world doesn't revolve around me and my needs, my desires, and at my convenience. Just in the time you've spent running this eternal thread you could have been learning. You must have quite a job if you can sit there emailing this list all day. Regards, Tom On 5/17/2017 1:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: No of course not however why can't these companies have people to work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go to work. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and not as easy as you may think. I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful from my viewpoint. It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on help. I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things. I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development tools. Screen readers are there to help all of us. And that means having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, forwarded, read etc. It does in window eyes. -Original Message- From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe always will be. But not confi
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Email is your friend! I work a help desk and if someone is available, they will reply as we also work with International customers so timezones are literally all over the map! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:44 PM To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration No of course not however why can't these companies have people to work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go to work. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and not as easy as you may think. I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful from my viewpoint. It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on help. I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all >need different things. I am a computer >engineer, so I need access to some of the more >advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my >various software development tools. Screen >readers are there to help all of us. And that >means having lots of features that some of us >will use and that others will not. Best, Juan >Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 >(M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | >Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original >Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ >Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes >Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I >don't like that either if this what does happen. >I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 >and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my >client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as >I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel >that screne readers should be made as simple as >possible? -Original Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, >May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt ><st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' ><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion >List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: >Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all >of the graphics were labeled in the windows live >mail app. When I arrow up and down in the >windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say >things like, replied, forwarded, read etc. It >does in window eyes. -Original Message----- >From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, >2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes >Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to >JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you >want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web >than JAWS and I believe always will be. But not
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I think when I've worked at my work at home job for a while, I'll start my own screen reading help service. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:44 PM To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration No of course not however why can't these companies have people to work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go to work. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and not as easy as you may think. I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful from my viewpoint. It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on help. I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things. >I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced >aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development >tools. Screen readers are there to help all of us. And that means >having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will >not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 >(M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | >Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original >Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne ><russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List ><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if >this what does happen. >I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use >Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I >have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should >be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM >To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' ><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: >Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were >labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the >windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, >forwarded, read etc. It does in window eyes. -Original >Message----- >From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, >2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: >RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you >want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe >always will be. But not configurable enough. All the best Steve >-Original Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.windo
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No of course not however why can't these companies have people to work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go to work. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Richard, Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and not as easy as you may think. I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful from my viewpoint. It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on help. I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all >need different things. I am a computer >engineer, so I need access to some of the more >advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my >various software development tools. Screen >readers are there to help all of us. And that >means having lots of features that some of us >will use and that others will not. Best, Juan >Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 >(M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | >Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original >Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ >Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes >Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I >don't like that either if this what does happen. >I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 >and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my >client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as >I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel >that screne readers should be made as simple as >possible? -Original Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, >May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt ><st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' ><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion >List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: >Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all >of the graphics were labeled in the windows live >mail app. When I arrow up and down in the >windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say >things like, replied, forwarded, read etc. It >does in window eyes. -Original Message- >From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, >2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes >Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to >JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you >want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web >than JAWS and I believe always will be. But not >configurable enough. All the best Steve >-Original Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May >2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' ><dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion >List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: >'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: >Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one >or two user won't make a dif
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Richard, Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out? Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and not as easy as you may think. I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful from my viewpoint. It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for. I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on help. I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all >need different things. I am a computer >engineer, so I need access to some of the more >advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my >various software development tools. Screen >readers are there to help all of us. And that >means having lots of features that some of us >will use and that others will not. Best, Juan >Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 >(M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | >Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original >Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ >Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes >Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I >don't like that either if this what does happen. >I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 >and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my >client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as >I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel >that screne readers should be made as simple as >possible? -Original Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, >May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt ><st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' ><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion >List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: >Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all >of the graphics were labeled in the windows live >mail app. When I arrow up and down in the >windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say >things like, replied, forwarded, read etc. It >does in window eyes. -Original Message----- >From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, >2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes >Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to >JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you >want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web >than JAWS and I believe always will be. But not >configurable enough. All the best Steve >-Original Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May >2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' ><dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion >List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: >'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: >Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one >or two user won't make a difference. You get >what you pay for or don't pay for. NVDA is >nowhere as good as Jaws! -Original >Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: >Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To: >aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion >List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration >If you really want to send a message to VFO, >either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to >NVDA! -Original Message- From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. >via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: >'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogro
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Hey, Grumpy Dave. Thoroughly agree. Right now, it all starts in Washington - need I say more? Yes, if asked politely, I usually volunteer; if imposed upon, not so much.--Matthew Chao On 5/17/2017 10:29 AM, Dave via Talk wrote: I am always taken a back by those who sincerely believe they have the right to demand help from others who have the skills or the knowledge. I see nothing wrong with asking someone for help, but to expect it, or demand it, just comes off as the ugly Entitled Attitudes we are seeing far too much of in the last few years ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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HI Doug, I listened to the podcast from VO about the migration. And since I purchased my SMA for my home version directly from gwmicro, even though I live in South Africa, surely they can help me migrate directly? I completed this form Aaron sent out. Any advise? Regards Mark Mark Cussons email: lo...@mweb.co.za -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 06:50 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Mark, Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have an issue. However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine. If this becomes a problem, just let me know. As for getting JAWS, just go to: http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration HI Doug, How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation code? Regards Mark Mark Cussons email: lo...@mweb.co.za -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Don, It is mainly a licensing difference. The home version cannot be used in a work environment. Functionality wise, they are identical. The cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Aaron, Glad to see you are still around. What is the difference between JAWS Pro and Home versions? On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. > > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a > simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. > > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. > > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version > is not part of the conversion program. > > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us > at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. > > > Aaron Smith > VFOT | Enterprise Compliance > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 > F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com > > The information contained in this communication is confidential,
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I am always taken a back by those who sincerely believe they have the right to demand help from others who have the skills or the knowledge. I see nothing wrong with asking someone for help, but to expect it, or demand it, just comes off as the ugly Entitled Attitudes we are seeing far too much of in the last few years -- Most people who have skills, are willing to share them if asked politely, but when they are demanded, and there is very little Thanks after the help has been given, it produces a Smell that is very unappealing. I am not sure what to call this growing trend of entitlement, but it sure stincks! Grumpy Dave Dave___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
We have more access to assistance than we've ever had before. The internet is filled with information. If youo search on Google and Youtube, you'll find more than you could ever imagine. On 5/17/2017 1:39 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote: > if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like > you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if > you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >> Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different >> things. I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the >> more advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my various software >> development tools. Screen readers are there to help all of us. And >> that means having lots of features that some of us will use and that >> others will not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com >> 619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | Twitter | >> FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original Message- From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May >> 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes >> Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes >> to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if this what does happen. I >> use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use >> Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I >> have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers >> should be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: >> Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM >> To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' >> <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS >> Migration I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the >> windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the windows live >> maill app in jaws, it wonâ?Tt say things like, replied, forwarded, >> read etc. It does in window eyes. -Original Message- From: >> Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis >> Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS >> Migration Hi, It really depends on what you want to do. NVDA is >> vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe always will be. But >> not configurable enough. All the best Steve -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell >> Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS >> Migration Got news for one or two user won't make a difference. You >> get what you pay for or don't pay for. NVDA is nowhere as good as >> Jaws! -Original Message- From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM >> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: >> Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration If you really want to send a message to >> VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to NVDA! -Original >> Message- From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf >> Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, >> 2017 12:35 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; >> 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: >> RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there any chance another >> company could buy window-eyes and keep it developing in to the great >> screen reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind screen reader >> folks only have one choice here in the U.S. for screen readers!! So I >> am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back >> with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA >> has a good way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger Behm >> Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the >> vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 >> Clover Lane J
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things. I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development tools. Screen readers are there to help all of us. And that means having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it wonât say things like, replied, forwarded, read etc. It does in window eyes. -Original Message- From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe always will be. But not configurable enough. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one or two user won't make a difference. You get what you pay for or don't pay for. NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to NVDA! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it developing in to the great screen reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in the U.S. for screen readers!! So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a good way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy v
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
I'd be interested in this history. Do you have a link? Got my first Apple 2 e in 1983 from computer aids, ran screen-talk and then vocal-eyes and then window-eyes. I think I've been doing this stufs much to long. Now I begin learning n v d a. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 16 May 2017, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Oh btw guys, Dave Williams, an AT specialist and trainer using NVDA and now NVDA certified, used Window-Eyes and he put together a history of Window-Eyes from GWMicro from 1.0 to the present. I think you'll find it fascinating. I have it on my computer. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:18 AM To: 'Russ Kiehne'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for others to develop Window-eyes. I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued but can see it is a business decision - no different than other take-overs. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi Sky, WWhere do you get Dave's historical account from? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:20 AM To: 'CJ MAY'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Oh btw guys, Dave Williams, an AT specialist and trainer using NVDA and now NVDA certified, used Window-Eyes and he put together a history of Window-Eyes from GWMicro from 1.0 to the present. I think you'll find it fascinating. I have it on my computer. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:18 AM To: 'Russ Kiehne'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for others to develop Window-eyes. I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued but can see it is a business decision - no different than other take-overs. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/stepserve%40co mcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things. I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development tools. Screen readers are there to help all of us. And that means having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, forwarded, read etc. It does in window eyes. -Original Message- From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe always will be. But not configurable enough. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one or two user won't make a difference. You get what you pay for or don't pay for. NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to NVDA! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it developing in to the great screen reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in the U.S. for screen readers!! So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a good way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid us
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Here here! On 5/16/2017 9:47 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: Quit complaining and give Jaws a try or don't. If you don't like how a screen reader is made write one yourself. I think you will quickly see the challenges the devs have. How about a little thanks to Doug and the rest of the Staff and to VFO for giving us this offer that they didn't have to do!!! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:01 PM To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, forwarded, read etc. It does in window eyes. -Original Message- From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe always will be. But not configurable enough. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one or two user won't make a difference. You get what you pay for or don't pay for. NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to NVDA! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it developing in to the great screen reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in the U.S. for screen readers!! So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a good way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To: <talk@lists.wi
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Quit complaining and give Jaws a try or don't. If you don't like how a screen reader is made write one yourself. I think you will quickly see the challenges the devs have. How about a little thanks to Doug and the rest of the Staff and to VFO for giving us this offer that they didn't have to do!!! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:01 PM To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, forwarded, read etc. It does in window eyes. -Original Message- From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe always will be. But not configurable enough. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one or two user won't make a difference. You get what you pay for or don't pay for. NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to NVDA! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it developing in to the great screen reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in the U.S. for screen readers!! So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a good way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: W
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Oh btw guys, Dave Williams, an AT specialist and trainer using NVDA and now NVDA certified, used Window-Eyes and he put together a history of Window-Eyes from GWMicro from 1.0 to the present. I think you'll find it fascinating. I have it on my computer. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:18 AM To: 'Russ Kiehne'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for others to develop Window-eyes. I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued but can see it is a business decision - no different than other take-overs. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for others to develop Window-eyes. I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued but can see it is a business decision - no different than other take-overs. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, forwarded, read etc. It does in window eyes. -Original Message- From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe always will be. But not configurable enough. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one or two user won't make a difference. You get what you pay for or don't pay for. NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to NVDA! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it developing in to the great screen reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in the U.S. for screen readers!! So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a good way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the soft
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I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, forwarded, read etc. It does in window eyes. -Original Message- From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe always will be. But not configurable enough. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one or two user won't make a difference. You get what you pay for or don't pay for. NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to NVDA! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it developing in to the great screen reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in the U.S. for screen readers!! So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a good way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. If you are using the free version of Window-Eye
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Because that would keep a competitor around. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:16 AM To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Let me ask this, why doesn't the vfo group release the source code and let someone else continue development of window eyes? -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:48 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Window eyes should have no problems running on windows 7. It's just future updates coming to windows 10 -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:11 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration It is my understanding that we can continue to use Window-eyes indefinitely, however, at some point it will probably stop working effectively due to Windows updates and such. But if you just flat refuse to use JAWS in any shape or form you'll still be able to use Window-eyes. It just won't be updated anymore. Also we've got both free and low-cost options like NVDA and System Access, and I've seen a few mentions of Supernova. I have no experience with that particular thing so other folks will have to talk about that. On 5/15/2017 10:28 AM, Loy via Talk wrote: Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/tal
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Let me ask this, why doesn't the vfo group release the source code and let someone else continue development of window eyes? -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:48 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40vfogroup.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Why doesn't the vfo group give up the source code and let someone else continue development of window eyes? -Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:20 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Aaron Smith Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration We's bright future. Told y'all fake news now? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 15, 2017 9:14 AM, "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window- eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/ private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Does jaws work with dec-talk express and the Alva braille controller? Specifically, when using window eyes with the Alva, I found that it would start working, then when I would do various things like go into websites and different things, it would just die. I'd look at my braille display and see nothing. I'd have to restart the computer to get it working again. Pam. -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:51 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Matthew, I wanted to formally address this question. You can install JAWS on as many computers as you need. We give you 3 keys but will reset and are very understanding to this sort of thing. As long as you are not reformatting your computers, you should not be losing keys. As for the work question with a network, we routinely do this also for people that need to set up a license server with 1 or 2 keys for their use only. We don't advertise this but something we make available with cost, upon request. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:57 AM To: Joseph Norton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration My question is: On how many computers can we install JAWS? The reason I ask is that I use three computers - a virtual machine on a MacBook Pro, my desktop, and a new laptop. Under Window-Eyes, as long as we adhered to their licensing requirements, we could have as many installs as we needed. With the new JAWS, that may not be the case. In that instance, I have issues about migrating. Worse, still, if a computer crashes, and we've gone through our allotted installs, I will not pay for another brand-new copy. This kind of "too bad, so sad" response has the prospect of generating customer bad will. Another example of the licensing issue appeared when I was working for the state. I needed to have eight PC's on a network running Window-Eyes. As long as I didn't run them all with WE at the same time, I only needed one copy. With an install limitation via JAWS, the state would have had to pay out more money, a disincentive for hiring us. Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao On 5/15/2017 11:47 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote: You don’t even have to uninstall Window-Eyes. It will happily co-exist with Jaws. Just decide which one you want to autostart and bring up the other whenever you want it. Don’t know how long app central and the other Web services will be around, but, if Window-Eyes does what you want for the present, you will not be compelled to just stop using it. I, myself, will try to get my funds together to upgrade, but, I do not feel an urgency to start using Jaws right away. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migratio
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi Arron i am very disappointed that VFO has excluded the rest of the world from recieving Jaws free. Cos I live in Australia and had to have a dealer cos GW micro would not let us buy from them our selfs. I say that is not right i payed for WE and our dealer has no offers for Jaws. I will not be paying over $1500 Australian for Jaws. That is unfair for the rest of the world. Well and good for people in the US and Canida. Cheers Michael. -Original Message- From: Aaron Smith via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:14 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/michaelandjeanie%40aapt.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi, It really depends on what you want to do. NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe always will be. But not configurable enough. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one or two user won't make a difference. You get what you pay for or don't pay for. NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to NVDA! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it developing in to the great screen reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in the U.S. for screen readers!! So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a good way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this proce
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
We did not. VFO made decisions based on factors such as viabilityh, customer base, projected demand, relationship with Microsoft etc. Vaughan. On 5/16/2017 4:12 AM, CJ MAY via Talk wrote: I can't help but think we talked ourselves into this situation! Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vdodd001%40vodafone.co.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Capitalism is actually the most liberating economic system we have. The problem is in determining how much we want the state to limit it. On 5/15/2017 11:43 PM, Dave via Talk wrote: > Hi Rod, > > I beg to differ with you- > > Injustice and Capitalism run in Tandem? > > I think Injustice tends to be apparent in Humans, regardless of their > Method of earning a living, or even form of Government. > > There are always those who will work extraordinarily hard to take > advantage of those who are weaker. > > I am a bit of a History Buff, and History shows that there is injustice > from the beginning of time. > > When Capitalism is Corrupt, there is Heartless injustice. When > Communism is Corrupted, there is drastic injustice. When Socialism is > corrupted, there is great injustice. > > What is the common denominator? Humans. > > > Grumpy Dave > > > > > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi Rod, I beg to differ with you- Injustice and Capitalism run in Tandem? I think Injustice tends to be apparent in Humans, regardless of their Method of earning a living, or even form of Government. There are always those who will work extraordinarily hard to take advantage of those who are weaker. I am a bit of a History Buff, and History shows that there is injustice from the beginning of time. When Capitalism is Corrupt, there is Heartless injustice. When Communism is Corrupted, there is drastic injustice. When Socialism is corrupted, there is great injustice. What is the common denominator? Humans. Grumpy Dave -- Dave___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hello Matthew, JAWS can be installed on up to three systems. As for what happens if a system should fail, and you replace it with another system, . . . can't answer that one. I would think you could still install JAWS on the newest system, although you might need to call JAWS to get help in Authorizing the New Install. Grumpy Dave -- Dave___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes away. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Reeva, Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for those using we/the we version of zt fusion? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely. > > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400, > Loy via Talk wrote: > > > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we > > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" > > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM > > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > > > > > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes > > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended > > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States > > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We > > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product > > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue > > to provide technical support to end users that have purchased > > Window-Eyes or a support package. > > > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use > > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system > > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function > > adequately for your needs. > > > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are > > offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to > > providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes > > product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as > > follows. > > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will > > be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can > > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. > > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue > > to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, > > if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales > > team at 800-444-4443. > > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program > > for end users that migrate to JAWS. > > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting > > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. > > > > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a > > simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will > > then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request > > additional information if necessary. > > > > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at > > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at > > 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. > > > > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office > > version is not part of the conversion program. > > > > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us > > at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. > > > >
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Thanks, Joseph. That is very helpful. All the best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 5:04 PM To: Tony C <tch...@mediacombb.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi: 2 things: First, to increase rate temporarily, use control-alt-page-up. To decrease rate temporarily, use control-alt-page-down. To increase rate permanently, use control-windows-alt page-up. To decrease rate permanently, use control-windows-alt page-down. Second, there is a command in JAWS that you can use to search for something you want to do. If you press Insert-space, then, the letter j, you can search for what you are trying to do. After pressing Insert-space j, type something (like rate). Press tab and you’ll be on a page that will tell you the commands that have to do with rate. Hope this helps. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:48 PM To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I went and downloaded Jaws 18, I can't for the life of me remember how to change the speech rate, etc. also I want jaws to start at the logon screen?? -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:50 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Mark, Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have an issue. However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine. If this becomes a problem, just let me know. As for getting JAWS, just go to: http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration HI Doug, How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation code? Regards Mark Mark Cussons email: lo...@mweb.co.za -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Don, It is mainly a licensing difference. The home version cannot be used in a work environment. Functionality wise, they are identical. The cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Aaron, Glad to see you are still around. What is the difference between JAWS Pro and Home versions? On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. > Learn more about th
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Or did we simply want to be skeptical, until proven evidence, not rumour, came our way? Best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:54 PM To: Reeva Webb <jadedangelpromi...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Remember that there are none so blind as those who could not or would not see. On 5/16/2017 2:20 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: > We's bright future. Told y'all fake news now? > > > "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised > night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho > > Reeva > > On May 15, 2017 9:14 AM, "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > wrote: > >> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes >> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the >> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada >> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our >> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software >> maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support >> to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. >> >> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the >> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or >> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for >> your needs. >> >> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering >> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a >> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and >> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. >> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x >> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. >> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can >> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. >> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can >> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free >> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales >> team at 800-444-4443. >> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA >> program for end users that migrate to JAWS. >> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting >> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. >> >> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple >> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you >> with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information >> if necessary. >> >> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window- >> eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. >> >> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is >> not part of the conversion program. >> >> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at >> mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. >> >> >> Aaron Smith >> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance >> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 >> T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 >> ajsm...@vfogroup.com >> www.vfogroup.com >> >> The information contained in this communication is confidential, may >> constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the >> addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or >> copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited >> and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, >> please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this >> communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ >> options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ >> listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/ >> private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > __
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi Roger, Oh, man, if only, wouldn't that be awesome? Thinking about it sure made me feel good. Thanks, and all the best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it developing in to the great screen reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in the U.S. for screen readers!! So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a good way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
It's very very sad for me as a loyal Window-Eyes user for about 27 years (well as a GW Micro client for 27 years). It was such an awesome company with tremendous customer service. I'll miss that because they also shared their depth of computer knowledge on other matters even if they weren't directly associated with Window-Eyes but that just affected overall computer performance. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris T via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:01 PM To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I feel the same, though I am just going to speed up my move to Mac. I already use VoiceOver on most of my devices other than my desktop. I will likely do the SMA transfer since I paid for the updates, but I don't think I will use Jaws very much. Regards, Chris T -Original Message- From: Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:44 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration This is indeed very sad. I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it. But I've decided to bow to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to be using it, and will not consider NVDA. I don't blame the staff remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was not what they wanted. I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to those no longer working at VFO. On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the > United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada > should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to > our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software > maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support > to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the > software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or > applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for > your needs. > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering > JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a > smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases > and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x > will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can > continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free > version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our > sales team at 800-444-4443. > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA > program for end users that migrate to JAWS. > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. > > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple > web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact > you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional > information if necessary. > > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 > by July 31, 2017. > > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is > not part of the conversion program. > > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at > mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. > > > Aaron Smith > VFOT | Enterprise Compliance > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 > ajsm...@vfogroup.com > www.vfogroup.com > > The information contained in this communication is confidential, may > constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the > addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or > copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited > and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this > communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi Samuel. I fully endorce your comments about the Staff at Window-Eyes. I bought my first Window-Eyes in 1995-96 and did so because of the service, support and the program itself. It is sad to know Window-Eyes is going but even more important from my perspective is that the service and support that were an integral part of Window-Eyes is going with it. Regards Ian Westerland On 5/16/2017 7:44 AM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote: This is indeed very sad. I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it. But I've decided to bow to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to be using it, and will not consider NVDA. I don't blame the staff remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was not what they wanted. I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to those no longer working at VFO. On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/soundsam%40spwnet.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
I feel the same, though I am just going to speed up my move to Mac. I already use VoiceOver on most of my devices other than my desktop. I will likely do the SMA transfer since I paid for the updates, but I don't think I will use Jaws very much. Regards, Chris T -Original Message- From: Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:44 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration This is indeed very sad. I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it. But I've decided to bow to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to be using it, and will not consider NVDA. I don't blame the staff remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was not what they wanted. I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to those no longer working at VFO. On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/soundsam%40spwnet.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/blindcat7%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi Matthew: It makes no difference. The JAWS download is the same whether you get the Home or the Pro version. The Pro version has no functional difference—it’s just that it is for use by a company. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Matthew Chao via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:34 PM To: Don H via Talk Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration How do you get the Pro Edition?--Matthew Chao On 5/15/2017 1:06 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: > On the JAWS download link provided I don't see a home and pro version. > How do you get the home edition? > > On 5/15/2017 11:50 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: >> Mark, >> >> Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version >> won't have an issue. However, I suspect after the first of the year >> you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine. >> If this becomes a problem, just let me know. As for getting JAWS, >> just go to: >> >> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS >> >> Download the version you want and activate it with your new license >> code. >> >> Regards, >> Doug >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] >> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM >> To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion >> List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration >> >> HI Doug, >> How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window >> eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the >> new authorisation code? >> Regards >> Mark >> >> >> Mark Cussons >> email: lo...@mweb.co.za >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk >> Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration >> >> Don, >> >> It is mainly a licensing difference. The home version cannot be used >> in a >> work environment. Functionality wise, they are identical. The cost >> of SMAs >> and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version. >> >> Doug >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Don H via Talk >> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM >> To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration >> >> Aaron, >> Glad to see you are still around. What is the difference between >> JAWS Pro >> and Home versions? >> >> On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: >>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes >> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in >> the >> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada >> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed >> to our >> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software >> maintenance >> agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end >> users >> that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. >>> >>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the >> software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or >> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function >> adequately for >> your needs. >>> >>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering >> JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a >> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product >> purchases and >> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. >>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x >> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. >>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can >> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. >>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can >> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free >> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our >> sales >> team at 800-444-4443. >>> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA >> program for end users that migrate to JAWS. >>> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by vi
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
This is indeed very sad. I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it. But I've decided to bow to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to be using it, and will not consider NVDA. I don't blame the staff remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was not what they wanted. I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to those no longer working at VFO. On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/soundsam%40spwnet.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi: 2 things: First, to increase rate temporarily, use control-alt-page-up. To decrease rate temporarily, use control-alt-page-down. To increase rate permanently, use control-windows-alt page-up. To decrease rate permanently, use control-windows-alt page-down. Second, there is a command in JAWS that you can use to search for something you want to do. If you press Insert-space, then, the letter j, you can search for what you are trying to do. After pressing Insert-space j, type something (like rate). Press tab and you’ll be on a page that will tell you the commands that have to do with rate. Hope this helps. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:48 PM To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I went and downloaded Jaws 18, I can't for the life of me remember how to change the speech rate, etc. also I want jaws to start at the logon screen?? -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:50 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Mark, Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have an issue. However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine. If this becomes a problem, just let me know. As for getting JAWS, just go to: http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration HI Doug, How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation code? Regards Mark Mark Cussons email: lo...@mweb.co.za -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Don, It is mainly a licensing difference. The home version cannot be used in a work environment. Functionality wise, they are identical. The cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Aaron, Glad to see you are still around. What is the difference between JAWS Pro and Home versions? On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. > > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. > > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrat
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi Alison, If you mean because people talked nasty on the list, I would say no. Jaws has had the upper hand for many, many years. It made sense that this happened this way. It isn't right; it just happened. Injustice and capitalism run in tandem. Peace, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:13 PM To: 'Chris Skarstad' <rascal0...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I can't help but think we talked ourselves into this situation! Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi Darrel, Are you saying that even if you don't roll back to a previous snapshot in VMWare Workstation, Jaws still de-authorizes itself? Thanks, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:01 PM To: Darrell Bowles <dgbow...@msn.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration And my experiences with using JAWS on a virtual machine, for the love of sanity don't do it. It won't stay authorized. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:59 AM To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration You have to reset, but you only get one reset, unless you do it over the phone. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:57 AM To: Joseph Norton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration My question is: On how many computers can we install JAWS? The reason I ask is that I use three computers - a virtual machine on a MacBook Pro, my desktop, and a new laptop. Under Window-Eyes, as long as we adhered to their licensing requirements, we could have as many installs as we needed. With the new JAWS, that may not be the case. In that instance, I have issues about migrating. Worse, still, if a computer crashes, and we've gone through our allotted installs, I will not pay for another brand-new copy. This kind of "too bad, so sad" response has the prospect of generating customer bad will. Another example of the licensing issue appeared when I was working for the state. I needed to have eight PC's on a network running Window-Eyes. As long as I didn't run them all with WE at the same time, I only needed one copy. With an install limitation via JAWS, the state would have had to pay out more money, a disincentive for hiring us. Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao On 5/15/2017 11:47 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote: > You don’t even have to uninstall Window-Eyes. It will happily co-exist with > Jaws. Just decide which one you want to autostart and bring up the other > whenever you want it. Don’t know how long app central and the other Web > services will be around, but, if Window-Eyes does what you want for the > present, you will not be compelled to just stop using it. > > I, myself, will try to get my funds together to upgrade, but, I do not feel > an urgency to start using Jaws right away. > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Loy via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM > To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > - Original Message - > From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. > We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the > United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and > Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are > committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases > and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide > technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support > package. > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the > software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function > adequately for your needs. > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering > JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a > smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product > purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be > converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase > an upgrade to JAWS 18. > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to > use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if > you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Matthew, I wanted to formally address this question. You can install JAWS on as many computers as you need. We give you 3 keys but will reset and are very understanding to this sort of thing. As long as you are not reformatting your computers, you should not be losing keys. As for the work question with a network, we routinely do this also for people that need to set up a license server with 1 or 2 keys for their use only. We don't advertise this but something we make available with cost, upon request. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:57 AM To: Joseph Norton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration My question is: On how many computers can we install JAWS? The reason I ask is that I use three computers - a virtual machine on a MacBook Pro, my desktop, and a new laptop. Under Window-Eyes, as long as we adhered to their licensing requirements, we could have as many installs as we needed. With the new JAWS, that may not be the case. In that instance, I have issues about migrating. Worse, still, if a computer crashes, and we've gone through our allotted installs, I will not pay for another brand-new copy. This kind of "too bad, so sad" response has the prospect of generating customer bad will. Another example of the licensing issue appeared when I was working for the state. I needed to have eight PC's on a network running Window-Eyes. As long as I didn't run them all with WE at the same time, I only needed one copy. With an install limitation via JAWS, the state would have had to pay out more money, a disincentive for hiring us. Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao On 5/15/2017 11:47 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote: > You don’t even have to uninstall Window-Eyes. It will happily co-exist with > Jaws. Just decide which one you want to autostart and bring up the other > whenever you want it. Don’t know how long app central and the other Web > services will be around, but, if Window-Eyes does what you want for the > present, you will not be compelled to just stop using it. > > I, myself, will try to get my funds together to upgrade, but, I do not feel > an urgency to start using Jaws right away. > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Loy via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM > To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > - Original Message - > From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. > We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the > United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and > Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are > committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases > and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide > technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support > package. > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the > software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function > adequately for your needs. > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering > JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a > smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product > purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be > converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase > an upgrade to JAWS 18. > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to > use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if > you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team > at 800-444-4443. > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program > for end users that migrate to JAWS. > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. > > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a > simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then > contact you with an authoriza
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hi Reeva, Well, since Doug said that Window-Eyes will be around as long as it allows us to access our PCs, and since the apps add functionality to Window-Eyes, App Central will stay up and running. All the best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for those using we/the we version of zt fusion? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely. > > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400, > Loy via Talk wrote: > > > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we > > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" > > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM > > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > > > > > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and > > Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of > > Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users > > outside of the United States and Canada should contact their > > local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers > > and will honor existing product purchases and software > > maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical > > support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support > > package. > > > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use > > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating > > system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not > > function adequately for your needs. > > > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are > > offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed > > to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing > > Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements > > (SMA), as follows. > > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x > > will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can > > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. > > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can > > continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the > > free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please > > contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. > > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA > > program for end users that migrate to JAWS. > > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting > > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. > > > > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete > > a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who > > will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or > > request additional information if necessary. > > > > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at > > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at > > 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. > > > > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office > > version is not part of the conversion program. > > > > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email > > us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. > > > > > > Aaron Smith > > VFOT | Enterprise Compliance > > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > > T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 > > ajsm...@vfogroup.com > > www.vfogroup.com > > > > The information contained in this communication is confidential, > > may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the > > use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized > > use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part > > thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > > received this communication in error, please notify us > > immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and > > all copies thereof, including all attachments. > >
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
How do you get the Pro Edition?--Matthew Chao On 5/15/2017 1:06 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: On the JAWS download link provided I don't see a home and pro version. How do you get the home edition? On 5/15/2017 11:50 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: Mark, Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have an issue. However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine. If this becomes a problem, just let me know. As for getting JAWS, just go to: http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration HI Doug, How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation code? Regards Mark Mark Cussons email: lo...@mweb.co.za -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Don, It is mainly a licensing difference. The home version cannot be used in a work environment. Functionality wise, they are identical. The cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Aaron, Glad to see you are still around. What is the difference between JAWS Pro and Home versions? On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies ther
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Another question. Will any sort of break be given to people who bought the we version of zt fusion? Also, is it true that the neospeech voices will not be in the new jfw version of fusion? If the answer is that they won't be, i urge y'all to consider putting them in. Zt without kate and paul is like jfw without eloquence. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 15, 2017 2:38 PM, "Doug Geoffray via Talk" < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: David, Tandem is a feature that lets one JAWS users remotely assist another JAWS users. Window-Eyes had a similar feature. I'm not sure why they broke up the installers with and without Tandem other than to bring the installer size down and less to run. You could always switch later if you felt you needed Tandem or you no longer want it. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:34 PM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Confused. I did go to the webpage provided by Doug. Here I am supposed to choose the version of Jaws to download. OK, I do understand the stuff about 32 64bit. What confuses me, is that there is first a choice for 32/64bit, and then the same for something that says non-tandem. What should I go for, and will that have any impact on the licensing? Further, it asks me to choose my prefered language. What is the licensing of Jaws, when comes to english/non-English versions? Can you freely switch within the set of supported languages, or is it the way you download and license one given language, and are stuck with that language forever? Thanks for any pointers. David On 5/15/2017 6:50 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: > Mark, > > Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have an issue. However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine. If this becomes a problem, just let me know. As for getting JAWS, just go to: > > http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS > > Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code. > > Regards, > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM > To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion > List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > HI Doug, > How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation code? > Regards > Mark > > > Mark Cussons > email: lo...@mweb.co.za > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Doug Geoffray via Talk > Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Don, > > It is mainly a licensing difference. The home version cannot be used > in a work environment. Functionality wise, they are identical. The > cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version. > > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup....@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Don H via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM > To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Aaron, > Glad to see you are still around. What is the difference between JAWS > Pro and Home versions? > > On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: >> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in > the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and > Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are > committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases > and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide > technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. >> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the > software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function > adequately for your needs. >> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are >> offering > JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing > a smooth transition and will h
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
David, Tandem is a feature that lets one JAWS users remotely assist another JAWS users. Window-Eyes had a similar feature. I'm not sure why they broke up the installers with and without Tandem other than to bring the installer size down and less to run. You could always switch later if you felt you needed Tandem or you no longer want it. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:34 PM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Confused. I did go to the webpage provided by Doug. Here I am supposed to choose the version of Jaws to download. OK, I do understand the stuff about 32 64bit. What confuses me, is that there is first a choice for 32/64bit, and then the same for something that says non-tandem. What should I go for, and will that have any impact on the licensing? Further, it asks me to choose my prefered language. What is the licensing of Jaws, when comes to english/non-English versions? Can you freely switch within the set of supported languages, or is it the way you download and license one given language, and are stuck with that language forever? Thanks for any pointers. David On 5/15/2017 6:50 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: > Mark, > > Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have > an issue. However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be > able to return a license or authorize a new machine. If this becomes a > problem, just let me know. As for getting JAWS, just go to: > > http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS > > Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code. > > Regards, > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM > To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion > List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > HI Doug, > How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So > how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation > code? > Regards > Mark > > > Mark Cussons > email: lo...@mweb.co.za > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Doug Geoffray via Talk > Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Don, > > It is mainly a licensing difference. The home version cannot be used > in a work environment. Functionality wise, they are identical. The > cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version. > > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup....@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Don H via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM > To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Aaron, > Glad to see you are still around. What is the difference between JAWS > Pro and Home versions? > > On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: >> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in > the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and > Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are > committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases > and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide > technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support > package. >> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the > software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function > adequately for your needs. >> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are >> offering > JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing > a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product > purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. >> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x > will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. >> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. >> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can > continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free > version, if you are intere
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Confused. I did go to the webpage provided by Doug. Here I am supposed to choose the version of Jaws to download. OK, I do understand the stuff about 32 64bit. What confuses me, is that there is first a choice for 32/64bit, and then the same for something that says non-tandem. What should I go for, and will that have any impact on the licensing? Further, it asks me to choose my prefered language. What is the licensing of Jaws, when comes to english/non-English versions? Can you freely switch within the set of supported languages, or is it the way you download and license one given language, and are stuck with that language forever? Thanks for any pointers. David On 5/15/2017 6:50 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: > Mark, > > Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have > an issue. However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be > able to return a license or authorize a new machine. If this becomes a > problem, just let me know. As for getting JAWS, just go to: > > http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS > > Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code. > > Regards, > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM > To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > HI Doug, > How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So > how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation > code? > Regards > Mark > > > Mark Cussons > email: lo...@mweb.co.za > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk > Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Don, > > It is mainly a licensing difference. The home version cannot be used in a > work environment. Functionality wise, they are identical. The cost of SMAs > and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version. > > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Don H via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM > To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Aaron, > Glad to see you are still around. What is the difference between JAWS Pro > and Home versions? > > On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: >> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the > United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada > should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our > customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance > agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users > that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. >> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the > software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or > applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for > your needs. >> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering > JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a > smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and > software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. >> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x > will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. >> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. >> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can > continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free > version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales > team at 800-444-4443. >> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA > program for end users that migrate to JAWS. >> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. >> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple > web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you > with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if > necessary. >> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at > http://www.gwmic
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Ins-j then alt-o for options and basics to set JAWS to be available at login and so on and down-arrow to Voices to adjust rate and so on. HTH Amanda -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:48 PM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I went and downloaded Jaws 18, I can't for the life of me remember how to change the speech rate, etc. also I want jaws to start at the logon screen?? -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:50 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Mark, Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have an issue. However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine. If this becomes a problem, just let me know. As for getting JAWS, just go to: http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration HI Doug, How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation code? Regards Mark Mark Cussons email: lo...@mweb.co.za -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Don, It is mainly a licensing difference. The home version cannot be used in a work environment. Functionality wise, they are identical. The cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Aaron, Glad to see you are still around. What is the difference between JAWS Pro and Home versions? On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. > > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a > simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. > > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. > > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version > is not part of the conversion program. > > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us > at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. > > > Aaron Smith > VFOT
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Norene Yes you will. You will also be able to purchase a SMA if needed for a discounted price. If you have a SMA for W.E it will transfer over. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:07 PM To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hello Currently I am using Windows 7 and window-eyes 9.5.4.0. Will I be able to download the free version of Jaws? That would be great! Norene -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:36 PM To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Yes. Assuming you are running the retail version, simply write to: wesupp...@aisquared.com and they'll produce one for you. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:58 AM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Is there a way we can get a downloadable version of window eyes 9.5.4? So we can have thison hand? On 5/15/2017 9:48 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: > Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you > migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back > and forth as you need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will > no longer be upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. > > Regards, > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Loy via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM > To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > - Original Message - > From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes > family. > We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the > United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and > Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are > committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases > and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide > technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the > software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function > adequately for your needs. > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering > JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing > a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product > purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be > converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase > an upgrade to JAWS 18. > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to > use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if > you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team > at 800-444-4443. > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program > for end users that migrate to JAWS. > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. > > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a > simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then > contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request > additional information if necessary. > > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at > 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. > > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version > is not part of the conversion program. > > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us > at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. > > > Aaron Smith > VFOT | Enterprise Compliance > 11800 31st C
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Hello Currently I am using Windows 7 and window-eyes 9.5.4.0. Will I be able to download the free version of Jaws? That would be great! Norene -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:36 PM To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Yes. Assuming you are running the retail version, simply write to: wesupp...@aisquared.com and they'll produce one for you. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:58 AM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Is there a way we can get a downloadable version of window eyes 9.5.4? So we can have thison hand? On 5/15/2017 9:48 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of A
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
No. The two co-exist quite happily. Its a good offer: take it if you meet the criteria. Vaughan. On 5/16/2017 2:28 AM, Loy via Talk wrote: Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vdodd001%40vodafone.co.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
I went and downloaded Jaws 18, I can't for the life of me remember how to change the speech rate, etc. also I want jaws to start at the logon screen?? -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:50 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Mark, Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have an issue. However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine. If this becomes a problem, just let me know. As for getting JAWS, just go to: http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration HI Doug, How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation code? Regards Mark Mark Cussons email: lo...@mweb.co.za -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Don, It is mainly a licensing difference. The home version cannot be used in a work environment. Functionality wise, they are identical. The cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Aaron, Glad to see you are still around. What is the difference between JAWS Pro and Home versions? On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy
Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Dear Aaron, What a sad day. I need help. I had a crupted file on WE so uninstalled it and reinstalled 9.5.4. Several things are not working right. Using Win 10 WE 9.5.4 WLM 2012 Word 2010 When I compose an email in WLM, I cannot read what I write. I have to compose the email in Word and then cut and paste into the WLM email. Also, When I go to Word, I cannot see my list of documents. In order to get to a document, I open a fresh word document which is blank, then merge it into the document that I want. If I can’t remember the exact name of the doc, I’m screwed. Any ideas? Can you connect to my computer and see if you can figure out what is wrong? -Bob -Original Message- From: Aaron Smith via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:14 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. Aaron Smith VFOT | Enterprise Compliance 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rs%40ringwald.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Yes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:59 PM To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration would the license key work with the jaws demo 18? i have been useing this several months , trying to learn how to use it. -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Mark, Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have an issue. However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine. If this becomes a problem, just let me know. As for getting JAWS, just go to: http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration HI Doug, How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation code? Regards Mark Mark Cussons email: lo...@mweb.co.za -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Don, It is mainly a licensing difference. The home version cannot be used in a work environment. Functionality wise, they are identical. The cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Aaron, Glad to see you are still around. What is the difference between JAWS Pro and Home versions? On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end users that migrate to JAWS. > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. > > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary. > > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. > > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not part of the conversion program. > > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. > > > Aaron Smith > VFOT | Enterprise Compliance > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 > F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com > > The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside informat
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
The license key determines which version you have. There is no functional difference; it’s just that the Pro version is ued if you are using Jaws for business purposes. The home version will run on either home or Pro versions of Windows. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Don H via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:06 PM To: Doug Geoffray via Talk Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration On the JAWS download link provided I don't see a home and pro version. How do you get the home edition? On 5/15/2017 11:50 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: > Mark, > > Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have > an issue. However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be > able to return a license or authorize a new machine. If this becomes a > problem, just let me know. As for getting JAWS, just go to: > > http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS > > Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code. > > Regards, > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM > To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > HI Doug, > How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So > how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation > code? > Regards > Mark > > > Mark Cussons > email: lo...@mweb.co.za > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk > Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Don, > > It is mainly a licensing difference. The home version cannot be used in a > work environment. Functionality wise, they are identical. The cost of SMAs > and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version. > > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Don H via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM > To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Aaron, > Glad to see you are still around. What is the difference between JAWS Pro > and Home versions? > > On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote: >> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the > United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada > should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our > customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance > agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users > that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. >> >> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the > software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or > applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for > your needs. >> >> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering > JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a > smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and > software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. >> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x > will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. >> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. >> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can > continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free > version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales > team at 800-444-4443. >> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA > program for end users that migrate to JAWS. >> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. >> >> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple > web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you > with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if > necessary. >> >> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 > by July 31, 2017. >> >> Note, the free Window-
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
You were free to speculate, and yet I and others wanted evidence, since the world is against you, as your tag line suggests. (grin) -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:08 AM To: Reeva Webb <jadedangelpromi...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Exactly, don't tell me that I was speculating. Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > > We's bright future. Told y'all fake news now? > > > "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised > night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho > > Reeva > > On May 15, 2017 9:14 AM, "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > wrote: > >> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes >> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the >> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada >> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our >> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software >> maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support >> to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. >> >> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the >> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or >> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for >> your needs. >> >> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering >> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a >> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and >> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. >> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x >> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. >> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can >> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. >> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can >> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free >> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales >> team at 800-444-4443. >> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA >> program for end users that migrate to JAWS. >> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting >> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. >> >> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple >> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you >> with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information >> if necessary. >> >> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window- >> eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. >> >> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is >> not part of the conversion program. >> >> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at >> mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. >> >> >> Aaron Smith >> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance >> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 >> T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 >> ajsm...@vfogroup.com >> www.vfogroup.com >> >> The information contained in this communication is confidential, may >> constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the >> addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or >> copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited >> and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, >> please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this >> communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ >> options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ >> listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at http://lists.wi
RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
Yes. Assuming you are running the retail version, simply write to: wesupp...@aisquared.com and they'll produce one for you. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:58 AM To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Is there a way we can get a downloadable version of window eyes 9.5.4? So we can have thison hand? On 5/15/2017 9:48 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: > Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has. Even if you migrate you > can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you > need to. The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. > So 9.5.4 is the last version. > > Regards, > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Loy via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM > To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to > JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > - Original Message - > From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. > We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United > States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should > contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our > customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance > agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users > that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the > software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or > applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for > your needs. > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering > JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a > smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and > software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows. > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be > converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an > upgrade to JAWS 18. > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use > it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are > interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443. > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end > users that migrate to JAWS. > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. > > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web > form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with > an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if > necessary. > > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by > July 31, 2017. > > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not > part of the conversion program. > > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at > mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. > > > Aaron Smith > VFOT | Enterprise Compliance > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001 > ajsm...@vfogroup.com > www.vfogroup.com > > The information contained in this communication is confidential, may > constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the > addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or > copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and > may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and > all copies thereof, including all attachments. > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are so