Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
I have those. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: gary melconian Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:16 PM To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Pamela Dominguez' Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version You can buy vocalizer package for $39 and that will solve all the issues its very fast and very intelligible. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:32 PM To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I do like Dectalk but I have to take breaks from it from time to time or it gets on my nerves. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:30 PM To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I still have dec-talk, because I bought mine back when it had it. I don't like eloquence, because I don't like the way it sounds, and it's not as loud, but I have to agree with you; it is quite snappy in its responsiveness. I have never had or heard vocalizer, so I can't compare that. Pam. -Original Message- From: Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:39 PM To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Marvin Commerford via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerford%40 comcast.net. For subscription options, visit htt
RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Hi Robin, If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and I've seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't working, or wasn't working with the program they needed). I also suspect your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer. As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high quality" one. You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the free one) would no longer work. Chip -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/chip.orange%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Chip I think your mistaken , thisi is something that ai square and gw have done since they havegotten rid of he payment pplan that most of us wer on prior to the windows for office concept. I don't think they would get rid of it as its one means ofgetting more and more customers introduced to window eyes an hten down the road keeping htem as customers. If you know whati mean. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:40 PM To: 'Van Lant, Robin' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi Robin, If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and I've seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't working, or wasn't working with the program they needed). I also suspect your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer. As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high quality" one. You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the free one) would no longer work. Chip -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/chip.orange%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/gmelconian619% 40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou. 1. Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other major corporations out there. One on one personal service. In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they might need from me. So if they don't know how something works, well there you go. I believe in the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given. So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several reasons. 1. I'll get all the voices I want. 2. I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to Window-Eyes. 3. Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office on all machines. There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times. Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal or not, I don't have Office installed. And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately. I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an investment. Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you from the other end of the spectrum. I'm lucky that I haven't needed to pay for support because I can't presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For Office at all. I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on. So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker. Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA. I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick. DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back? Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online? Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it. So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch. I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay for them when you've had to. Talk to you all soon! Regards, Keith On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk wrote: > Hi Robin, > > If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really > need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and I've > seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't > working, or wasn't working with the program they needed). I also suspect > your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new > program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer. > > As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high > quality" > one. You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to > year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the free > one) would no longer work. > > Chip > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version > > My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to > the > free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a > big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me > to > consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the > switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk > voice > in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. > > Opinions? > > > Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager > Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance > 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com > > > > This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. > It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the > intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, > distributing or using any of this information. If you received this > communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy > the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This > communication may contain nonpublic
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
They can charge your card over the phone, or probably online. I have done it over the phone. Pam. -Original Message- From: Keith Hinton via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:36 PM To: Chip Orange ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou. 1. Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other major corporations out there. One on one personal service. In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they might need from me. So if they don't know how something works, well there you go. I believe in the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given. So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several reasons. 1. I'll get all the voices I want. 2. I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to Window-Eyes. 3. Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office on all machines. There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times. Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal or not, I don't have Office installed. And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately. I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an investment. Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you from the other end of the spectrum. I'm lucky that I haven't needed to pay for support because I can't presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For Office at all. I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on. So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker. Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA. I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick. DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back? Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online? Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it. So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch. I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay for them when you've had to. Talk to you all soon! Regards, Keith On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk wrote: Hi Robin, If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and I've seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't working, or wasn't working with the program they needed). I also suspect your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer. As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high quality" one. You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the free one) would no longer work. Chip -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is int
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
I don't know if CHip already covered this, but he was talking about Microsoft who has the power to close any dealings with anybody they wish. Fact is, while this partnership may be around for years to come, we don't know what will happen in the future. If it ever whent away, you'd all have to save up and buy Window-Eyes anyways. On 7/29/15, Keith Hinton wrote: > Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou. > 1. > Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other > major corporations out there. > One on one personal service. > In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my > clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they > might need from me. > So if they don't know how something works, well there you go. > I believe in the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given. > So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed > income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so > that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several > reasons. > 1. I'll get all the voices I want. > 2. > I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free > unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to > Window-Eyes. > 3. > Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help > actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent > upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office > on all machines. > There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual > machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do > that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times. > Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal > or not, I don't have Office installed. > And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that > Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately. > I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an > investment. > Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with > the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of > cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you > from the other end of the spectrum. > I'm lucky that I haven't needed to pay for support because I can't > presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For > Office at all. > I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it > from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on. > So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker. > Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to > me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA. > I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick. > DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back? > Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online? > Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it. > So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch. > I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay > for them when you've had to. > Talk to you all soon! > > Regards, > Keith > > On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk wrote: >> Hi Robin, >> >> If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really >> need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and >> I've >> seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't >> working, or wasn't working with the program they needed). I also suspect >> your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new >> program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer. >> >> As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high >> quality" >> one. You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to >> year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the >> free >> one) would no longer work. >> >> Chip >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk >> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version >> >> My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to >> the >> free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was >> a >> big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me >> to >> consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the >> switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk >> voice >> in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have >> to. >> >> Opinions? >> >> >> Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager >> Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment F
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
True. That's how I got started on my payment plan. Hard to believe that was eight years ago now. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:53 PM To: Keith Hinton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version They can charge your card over the phone, or probably online. I have done it over the phone. Pam. -Original Message- From: Keith Hinton via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:36 PM To: Chip Orange ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou. 1. Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other major corporations out there. One on one personal service. In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they might need from me. So if they don't know how something works, well there you go. I believe in the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given. So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several reasons. 1. I'll get all the voices I want. 2. I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to Window-Eyes. 3. Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office on all machines. There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times. Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal or not, I don't have Office installed. And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately. I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an investment. Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you from the other end of the spectrum. I'm lucky that I haven't needed to pay for support because I can't presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For Office at all. I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on. So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker. Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA. I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick. DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back? Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online? Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it. So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch. I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay for them when you've had to. Talk to you all soon! Regards, Keith On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk wrote: Hi Robin, If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and I've seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't working, or wasn't working with the program they needed). I also suspect your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer. As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high quality" one. You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the free one) would no longer work. Chip -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything
RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Hi Keith, Buying an SMA for me here in Canada is as easy as calling AI Squared sales, and giving credit card details. hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Keith Hinton via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:36 PM To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou. 1. Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other major corporations out there. One on one personal service. In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they might need from me. So if they don't know how something works, well there you go. I believe in the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given. So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several reasons. 1. I'll get all the voices I want. 2. I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to Window-Eyes. 3. Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office on all machines. There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times. Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal or not, I don't have Office installed. And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately. I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an investment. Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you from the other end of the spectrum. I'm lucky that I haven't needed to pay for support because I can't presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For Office at all. I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on. So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker. Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA. I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick. DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back? Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online? Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it. So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch. I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay for them when you've had to. Talk to you all soon! Regards, Keith On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk wrote: > Hi Robin, > > If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would > really need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to > you (and I've seen too many people rescued by support when their > Window-Eyes wasn't working, or wasn't working with the program they > needed). I also suspect your requests for enhancements (especially to > make it work with some new > program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer. > > As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high > quality" > one. You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year > to year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes > (the free > one) would no longer work. > > Chip > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version > > My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move > to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech > support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a > big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know > if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I > currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can >
RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
I don't think Microsoft is going ot do that as its recognizing he benefits of having people overseas using windowswith window eyes.So take that one into considrdation.i don't think that Microsoft will shoo itself in the foot. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Keith Hinton via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:56 PM To: Chip Orange ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I don't know if CHip already covered this, but he was talking about Microsoft who has the power to close any dealings with anybody they wish. Fact is, while this partnership may be around for years to come, we don't know what will happen in the future. If it ever whent away, you'd all have to save up and buy Window-Eyes anyways. On 7/29/15, Keith Hinton wrote: > Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou. > 1. > Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other > major corporations out there. > One on one personal service. > In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my > clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they > might need from me. > So if they don't know how something works, well there you go. > I believe in the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given. > So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed > income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so > that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several > reasons. > 1. I'll get all the voices I want. > 2. > I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free > unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to > Window-Eyes. > 3. > Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help > actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent > upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office > on all machines. > There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual > machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do > that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times. > Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal > or not, I don't have Office installed. > And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that > Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately. > I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an > investment. > Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with > the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of > cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you > from the other end of the spectrum. > I'm lucky that I haven't needed to pay for support because I can't > presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For > Office at all. > I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it > from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on. > So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker. > Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to > me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA. > I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick. > DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back? > Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online? > Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it. > So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch. > I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay > for them when you've had to. > Talk to you all soon! > > Regards, > Keith > > On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk wrote: >> Hi Robin, >> >> If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would >> really need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to >> you (and I've seen too many people rescued by support when their >> Window-Eyes wasn't working, or wasn't working with the program they >> needed). I also suspect your requests for enhancements (especially >> to make it work with some new >> program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer. >> >> As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high >> quality" >> one. You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from >> year to year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of >> Wind
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Not necessarily users, as I understand it were guaranteed LifeTime versions of WindowEyes And, OfficeUsers of WindowEyes can obtain support from Microsoft InTheForm of its Accessibility TelePhone Number for People with disabilities At 04:56 PM 7/29/2015, you wrote: I don't know if CHip already covered this, but he was talking about Microsoft who has the power to close any dealings with anybody they wish. Fact is, while this partnership may be around for years to come, we don't know what will happen in the future. If it ever whent away, you'd all have to save up and buy Window-Eyes anyways. On 7/29/15, Keith Hinton wrote: > Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou. > 1. > Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other > major corporations out there. > One on one personal service. > In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my > clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they > might need from me. > So if they don't know how something works, well there you go. > I believe in the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given. > So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed > income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so > that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several > reasons. > 1. I'll get all the voices I want. > 2. > I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free > unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to > Window-Eyes. > 3. > Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help > actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent > upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office > on all machines. > There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual > machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do > that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times. > Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal > or not, I don't have Office installed. > And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that > Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately. > I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an > investment. > Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with > the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of > cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you > from the other end of the spectrum. > I'm lucky that I haven't needed to pay for support because I can't > presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For > Office at all. > I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it > from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on. > So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker. > Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to > me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA. > I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick. > DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back? > Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online? > Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it. > So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch. > I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay > for them when you've had to. > Talk to you all soon! > > Regards, > Keith > > On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk wrote: >> Hi Robin, >> >> If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really >> need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and >> I've >> seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't >> working, or wasn't working with the program they needed). I also suspect >> your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new >> program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer. >> >> As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high >> quality" >> one. You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to >> year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the >> free >> one) would no longer work. >> >> Chip >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk >> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version >> >> My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to >> the >> free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was >> a >> big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me >> to >> consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the >> switc
RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
In the end: purchasing is a commitment to the on-going development and availability of Window-eyes. The free offer with Office actually meanhs that people are sponging off the rest of us. If everyone decided not to purchase, there would be no on-going development, no customer support, no dedicated Window-eyes engineers etc etc - no Window-Eyes for Office. Some of us are very generous! My other dislike of the for office scheme is that those of us who have paid for our Window-Eyes don't get much more than those us who have not paid for it. The current pricing for version 9.2, and the option of purchasing an SMA, particularly under the upgrade scenario, is very affordable if people budget for it. There is no doubt that in the perfet world, full access to Windows should be part of the operating system - but it isn't, and there are advantages in people being able to choose from a range of products how we wish to access Windows. The objective of making Window-eyes more available to more people through the office linkage is commendable, but I am not certain how it secures the future of Window-Eyes. I delayed purchasing 9.2 (which woul dhave been by way of a new SMA) for various reasons not immediately relevant to the discussion, but I feel something of a renewed confidence in Window-eyes and AI Squared, and so I've invested in the upgrade and SMA. So far - glad I have. Vaughan. Vaughan . -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vdodd=xtra.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2015 7:40 a.m. To: mcommerf...@comcast.net; Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Marvin Commerford via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: > My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move > to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech > support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a > big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know > if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I > currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can > use that Eloquence voice if I have to. > > Opinions? > > > Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager > Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance > 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com > > > > This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. > It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the > intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, > copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you > received this communication in error, please contact the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether > electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic > personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of > the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse > or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide > the services for which you are receiving the information. > > 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive > future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail > to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' > in the > SUBJECT line. > ___ > Any vie
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I have one question for you fo those who are payingdo you thin it was right for Ai squared and gw to chargea $449 upgrade fee whe ntehe update was a mnor one supportinga few thing especially wwindows 10, and the competiton did not even charge for it and just said aas long as your on jaws 16 itsa free updates. That's what ticks me off lately about eh business practices of AI squared and if they go ddown this road tey will be considered as bad as fs and not any different . So thee companies have to recognize the expensive acces tech products are the way of he past, see even mac have build inscreen reader and apple is one of he most profitable companies an they don't charge for accessibility. If these companies must I would much rathe them go the subscription mode in the long run whih wooudl not hurt development or gauge the customer. Tahts almost what every acces product whether that be on I OS, Mac, Windows or even onleniux and Android are goin the way of re access tech and if you want alternatives then you have htem but hey are low cost one and not these ridiculous price gaguing ones . What have gained thin the past few years ffrom gw they wer slow to adopt the web issues and now they are slow to adopt the touch wher aal windows and office products are going. So I wonder this is why I don't thinking that AI and Gw are on the cutting edge and have lost touch with whats innovative and cutting edge. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
They can charge your card on the phone or online. -Original Message- From: Keith Hinton via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 6:36 PM To: Chip Orange ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou. 1. Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other major corporations out there. One on one personal service. In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they might need from me. So if they don't know how something works, well there you go. I believe in the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given. So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several reasons. 1. I'll get all the voices I want. 2. I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to Window-Eyes. 3. Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office on all machines. There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times. Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal or not, I don't have Office installed. And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately. I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an investment. Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you from the other end of the spectrum. I'm lucky that I haven't needed to pay for support because I can't presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For Office at all. I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on. So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker. Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA. I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick. DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back? Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online? Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it. So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch. I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay for them when you've had to. Talk to you all soon! Regards, Keith On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk wrote: Hi Robin, If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and I've seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't working, or wasn't working with the program they needed). I also suspect your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer. As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high quality" one. You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the free one) would no longer work. Chip -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are n
RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Yes, exactly the possibility I was trying to mention. I just saw a report which said that now, Windows is only 1 in 7 of the operating systems in use. MS may have created this Office program with Window-Eyes to try and get more Office users, and just like it suddenly appeared, it may indeed suddenly disappear (who knows), but anyone giving you something for free is nothing you should count on. Chip -Original Message- From: Keith Hinton [mailto:keithint1...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:56 PM To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I don't know if CHip already covered this, but he was talking about Microsoft who has the power to close any dealings with anybody they wish. Fact is, while this partnership may be around for years to come, we don't know what will happen in the future. If it ever whent away, you'd all have to save up and buy Window-Eyes anyways. On 7/29/15, Keith Hinton wrote: > Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou. > 1. > Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other > major corporations out there. > One on one personal service. > In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my > clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they > might need from me. > So if they don't know how something works, well there you go. > I believe in the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given. > So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed > income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so > that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several > reasons. > 1. I'll get all the voices I want. > 2. > I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free > unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to > Window-Eyes. > 3. > Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help > actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent > upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office > on all machines. > There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual > machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do > that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times. > Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal > or not, I don't have Office installed. > And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that > Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately. > I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an > investment. > Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with > the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of > cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you > from the other end of the spectrum. > I'm lucky that I haven't needed to pay for support because I can't > presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For > Office at all. > I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it > from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on. > So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker. > Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to > me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA. > I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick. > DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back? > Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online? > Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it. > So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch. > I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay > for them when you've had to. > Talk to you all soon! > > Regards, > Keith > > On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk wrote: >> Hi Robin, >> >> If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really >> need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and >> I've >> seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't >> working, or wasn't working with the program they needed). I also suspect >> your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new >> program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer. >> >> As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high >> quality" >> one. You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year
RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Hi Robin, I am absolutely sure we are not guaranteed life-time versions of Window-Eyes, but all you have to do is to go read the terms of agreement at the special web site. As for the other point, MS does not guarantee life time support either; but just try calling that number and asking them any serious Window-Eyes question pertaining to Window-Eyes?. I'm sure they know Windows fairly well (well enough?), but I am also sure they aren't trained in Window-Eyes. Chip -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Robin via Talk Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:44 AM To: Keith Hinton; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Not necessarily users, as I understand it were guaranteed LifeTime versions of WindowEyes And, OfficeUsers of WindowEyes can obtain support from Microsoft InTheForm of its Accessibility TelePhone Number for People with disabilities At 04:56 PM 7/29/2015, you wrote: >I don't know if CHip already covered this, but he was talking about >Microsoft who has the power to close any dealings with anybody they >wish. Fact is, while this partnership may be around for years to come, >we don't know what will happen in the future. If it ever whent away, >you'd all have to save up and buy Window-Eyes anyways. > >On 7/29/15, Keith Hinton wrote: > > Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou. > > 1. > > Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other > > major corporations out there. > > One on one personal service. > > In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my > > clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they > > might need from me. > > So if they don't know how something works, well there you go. > > I believe in the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given. > > So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed > > income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so > > that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several > > reasons. > > 1. I'll get all the voices I want. > > 2. > > I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free > > unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to > > Window-Eyes. > > 3. > > Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help > > actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent > > upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office > > on all machines. > > There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual > > machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do > > that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times. > > Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal > > or not, I don't have Office installed. > > And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that > > Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately. > > I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an > > investment. > > Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with > > the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of > > cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you > > from the other end of the spectrum. > > I'm lucky that I haven't needed to pay for support because I can't > > presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For > > Office at all. > > I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it > > from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on. > > So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker. > > Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to > > me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA. > > I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick. > > DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back? > > Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online? > > Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it. > > So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch. > > I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay > > for them when you've had to. > > Talk to you all soon! > > > > Regards, > > Keith > > > > On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk wrote: > >> Hi Robin, > >&
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Can you write that question again legibly? Otherwise, we don't know what you are asking. Pam. -Original Message- From: gary melconian via Talk Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:30 AM To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Bryan Peterson' Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I have one question for you fo those who are payingdo you thin it was right for Ai squared and gw to chargea $449 upgrade fee whe ntehe update was a mnor one supportinga few thing especially wwindows 10, and the competiton did not even charge for it and just said aas long as your on jaws 16 itsa free updates. That's what ticks me off lately about eh business practices of AI squared and if they go ddown this road tey will be considered as bad as fs and not any different . So thee companies have to recognize the expensive acces tech products are the way of he past, see even mac have build inscreen reader and apple is one of he most profitable companies an they don't charge for accessibility. If these companies must I would much rathe them go the subscription mode in the long run whih wooudl not hurt development or gauge the customer. Tahts almost what every acces product whether that be on I OS, Mac, Windows or even onleniux and Android are goin the way of re access tech and if you want alternatives then you have htem but hey are low cost one and not these ridiculous price gaguing ones . What have gained thin the past few years ffrom gw they wer slow to adopt the web issues and now they are slow to adopt the touch wher aal windows and office products are going. So I wonder this is why I don't thinking that AI and Gw are on the cutting edge and have lost touch with whats innovative and cutting edge. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Hi: I recently started using the free version of Window-eyes because my SMA ran out after version 8.4, and I wanted to try the free version anyway. Although I used Eloquence when I had the paid version, I figured that I could get used to the speech synthesizers that come with the free version. I started using Microsoft Anna because I liked the sound of her voice, but I found that she was painfully slow so I switched to the ESpeak voice, and while I found it difficult to understand at first, I have gotten used to it, and I found it to be at least as fast, maybe faster than Eloquence, so, at least for now, I am comfortable with the free version of Window-eyes. If I get to a point where I need tech support from AISquared, and have to pay the going rate for it, well I guess I will regret having made the decision to go with the free version of Window-eyes, but for now, I am glad that I saved the several hundred bucks or whatever the SMA for version 9 would have cost me. Of course, that is only my opinion and I can see why others don't feel the same way. Kevin Huber On 7/29/15, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: > My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the > free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a > big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to > consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the > switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice > in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. > > Opinions? > > > Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager > Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance > 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com > > > > This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. > It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the > intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, > distributing or using any of this information. If you received this > communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy > the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This > communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers > subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not > directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose > other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the > information. > > 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 > If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services > from Key > send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' > in the > SUBJECT line. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
I would never give up tech support because if you need something you must pay by incident unless they have an incident package. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Robin, I'm taking the plunge and will move to the free version. I figure any tech support I need I can get on this list. earlier, Van Lant, Robin via Talk, wrote: My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jschwery%40cox.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com John ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Well said. That's why I'm currently working on saving up to renew my SMA. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:48 AM To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I would never give up tech support because if you need something you must pay by incident unless they have an incident package. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Yes, I feel the same way. I will just buy more SMAs. Pam. -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:48 AM To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I would never give up tech support because if you need something you must pay by incident unless they have an incident package. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerford%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Marvin Commerford via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerford%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Hello. I agree with you totally. The only real reason why in some parts of Canada, and in the US many people prefer the free version is because they can't get a rehab agency to purchase Window-Eyes because jfw already got them in its teeth. I myself don't have an SMA and I'm on a fixed income. Our local dealer, which is named Aroga, that distributes Window-Eyes rarely sells any copies of it thanks to the free office inishitive of it and there are users all the time in Canada who are using it. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:40 PM To: mcommerf...@comcast.net; Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Marvin Commerford via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: > My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move > to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech > support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a > big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know > if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I > currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can > use that Eloquence voice if I have to. > > Opinions? > > > Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager > Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance > 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com > > > > This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. > It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the > intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, > copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you > received this communication in error, please contact the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether > electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic > personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of > the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse > or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide > the services for which you are receiving the information. > > 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive > future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail > to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' > in the > SUBJECT line. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerford%40 comcast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000% 40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
True. I'm also on a very fixed income but I plan to save up to buy a new SMA, even if that does take a while. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:56 PM To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hello. I agree with you totally. The only real reason why in some parts of Canada, and in the US many people prefer the free version is because they can't get a rehab agency to purchase Window-Eyes because jfw already got them in its teeth. I myself don't have an SMA and I'm on a fixed income. Our local dealer, which is named Aroga, that distributes Window-Eyes rarely sells any copies of it thanks to the free office inishitive of it and there are users all the time in Canada who are using it. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:40 PM To: mcommerf...@comcast.net; Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Marvin Commerford via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerford%40 comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000% 40
RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
I have done the same, ssince in over 25 yers I have never needed tech support resolve my problem all my tech support has come ffrom the list serve or from googling for the answers. So I have gone the free route with version 8.4, 9 and now 9.2. I will continue to go that route as I have both the text the speech engine that I like ot use and I havea fully working copy of office 2013 and I do plan on going to office 2016 and windows 10 with a new computer purchase later this year. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
I agree. I just renewed my sma and find it easier to keep up. I let my agreement lapse for a few years, before 7.0 and had to pay a chunk to get caught up. I need to have support, as I'm pretty computer challenged. www.harmonicaworkshops.com www.woodeneyemusic.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
I still have dec-talk, because I bought mine back when it had it. I don't like eloquence, because I don't like the way it sounds, and it's not as loud, but I have to agree with you; it is quite snappy in its responsiveness. I have never had or heard vocalizer, so I can't compare that. Pam. -Original Message- From: Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:39 PM To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Marvin Commerford via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerford%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
I do like Dectalk but I have to take breaks from it from time to time or it gets on my nerves. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:30 PM To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I still have dec-talk, because I bought mine back when it had it. I don't like eloquence, because I don't like the way it sounds, and it's not as loud, but I have to agree with you; it is quite snappy in its responsiveness. I have never had or heard vocalizer, so I can't compare that. Pam. -Original Message- From: Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:39 PM To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Marvin Commerford via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. Opinions? Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerford%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this em
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
I sometimes find it better to call tech support, so I can deal with the person one-on-one. Pam. -Original Message- From: gary melconian via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:11 PM To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Sky Mundell' Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I have done the same, ssince in over 25 yers I have never needed tech support resolve my problem all my tech support has come ffrom the list serve or from googling for the answers. So I have gone the free route with version 8.4, 9 and now 9.2. I will continue to go that route as I have both the text the speech engine that I like ot use and I havea fully working copy of office 2013 and I do plan on going to office 2016 and windows 10 with a new computer purchase later this year. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
You and me both Pamela. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:41 PM To: gary melconian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I sometimes find it better to call tech support, so I can deal with the person one-on-one. Pam. -Original Message- From: gary melconian via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:11 PM To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Sky Mundell' Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I have done the same, ssince in over 25 yers I have never needed tech support resolve my problem all my tech support has come ffrom the list serve or from googling for the answers. So I have gone the free route with version 8.4, 9 and now 9.2. I will continue to go that route as I have both the text the speech engine that I like ot use and I havea fully working copy of office 2013 and I do plan on going to office 2016 and windows 10 with a new computer purchase later this year. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
You can buy vocalizer package for $39 and that will solve all the issues its very fast and very intelligible. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:32 PM To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I do like Dectalk but I have to take breaks from it from time to time or it gets on my nerves. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:30 PM To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I still have dec-talk, because I bought mine back when it had it. I don't like eloquence, because I don't like the way it sounds, and it's not as loud, but I have to agree with you; it is quite snappy in its responsiveness. I have never had or heard vocalizer, so I can't compare that. Pam. -Original Message- From: Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:39 PM To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Marvin Commerford via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: > My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to > the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support > was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor > for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who > made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the > Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice > if I have to. > > Opinions? > > > Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager > Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance > 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com > > > > This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. > It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the > intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, > distributing or using any of this information. If you received this > communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy > the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This > communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers > subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not > directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any > purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the > information. > > 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 > If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services > from Key > send an e-mail to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' > in the > SUBJECT line. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerford%40 comcast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.win
RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
That's not my cae. I I am very savy andi can figurealot out by thinkering and finding solutions on line with google. Google is my friend when it comes to trouble shooting. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:29 PM To: mcommerf...@comcast.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version I agree. I just renewed my sma and find it easier to keep up. I let my agreement lapse for a few years, before 7.0 and had to pay a chunk to get caught up. I need to have support, as I'm pretty computer challenged. www.harmonicaworkshops.com www.woodeneyemusic.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/gmelconian619% 40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Right there with you, Andy. I appreciate this list for the things I learn that I didn't even know to ask. But sometimes I really need to talk to a support person who can help me think through complex issues on my work computer. I appreciate the feedback on this thread and have decided to order the SMA as long as I can financially do it. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew W via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:01 PM To: mcommerf...@comcast.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version It troubles me when someone says that they'll just use this list for tech support. There is a big difference between friendly advice and tech support. I do not think that anyone here is going to spend a long time helping someone solve a complicated problem when they are not being compensated for their time. Fortunately I have seldom required true tech support, but I have been grateful for its availability when I have needed it. I think that the free offering is great for those in financial need, but going from the paid product to the free product is a big step backward, and not advisable particularly at this time when we are going through such major changes. Andy -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marvin Commerford via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:36 PM To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: > My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. > > Opinions? > > > Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager > Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance > 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com > > > > This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. > > 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive > future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail > to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the > SUBJECT line. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerfor d%40comcast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/optio
RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Yes, I think Andy knew that, but I believe his point is that often, tech support needs to be much more than an ocasional answer; but a long involved trouble shooting process. If you're employed, or you use your pc for electronic banking, bill paying or anything else critical, and your screen reader just stops working, you really need tech support (not just an ocasional answer). Chip -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of john s via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:45 PM To: Baracco, Andrew W; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Andy, what I meant by tech support is getting an answer to an occasional question. earlier, Baracco, Andrew W via Talk, wrote: >It troubles me when someone says that they'll just use this list for >tech support. There is a big difference between friendly advice and tech >support. I do not think that anyone here is going to spend a long time >helping someone solve a complicated problem when they are not being >compensated for their time. Fortunately I have seldom required true tech >support, but I have been grateful for its availability when I have >needed it. I think that the free offering is great for those in >financial need, but going from the paid product to the free product is a >big step backward, and not advisable particularly at this time when we >are going through such major changes. > >Andy > > >-Original Message- >From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On >Behalf Of Marvin Commerford via Talk >Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:36 PM >To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List >Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to >free version > >Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. >Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the >first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support >and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also >can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at >first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few >upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement >with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. > > The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the >initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value >decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. > >On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: > > My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move >to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech >support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a >big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if >others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I >currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use >that Eloquence voice if I have to. > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager > > Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance > > 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com > > > > > > > > This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential >information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you >are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from >disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If >you received this communication in error, please contact the sender >immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic >or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal >information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the >Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or >redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the >services for which you are receiving the information. > > > > 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive > > future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail > > to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the > > SUBJECT line. > > ___ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerfor >d%40comcast.net. > >
RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
It troubles me when someone says that they'll just use this list for tech support. There is a big difference between friendly advice and tech support. I do not think that anyone here is going to spend a long time helping someone solve a complicated problem when they are not being compensated for their time. Fortunately I have seldom required true tech support, but I have been grateful for its availability when I have needed it. I think that the free offering is great for those in financial need, but going from the paid product to the free product is a big step backward, and not advisable particularly at this time when we are going through such major changes. Andy -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marvin Commerford via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:36 PM To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: > My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. > > Opinions? > > > Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager > Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance > 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com > > > > This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. > > 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive > future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail > to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the > SUBJECT line. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerfor d%40comcast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/andrew.bar acco%40va.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version
Andy, what I meant by tech support is getting an answer to an occasional question. earlier, Baracco, Andrew W via Talk, wrote: It troubles me when someone says that they'll just use this list for tech support. There is a big difference between friendly advice and tech support. I do not think that anyone here is going to spend a long time helping someone solve a complicated problem when they are not being compensated for their time. Fortunately I have seldom required true tech support, but I have been grateful for its availability when I have needed it. I think that the free offering is great for those in financial need, but going from the paid product to the free product is a big step backward, and not advisable particularly at this time when we are going through such major changes. Andy -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marvin Commerford via Talk Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:36 PM To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version Hi. Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first place. For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count. You also can get your licensed upgrade quickly. Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've had your SMA. I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen reader. MS has nothing to do with it this way. The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy. On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote: > My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2. The quality of tech support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else. I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to. > > Opinions? > > > Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager > Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance > 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com > > > > This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. > > 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive > future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail > to mailto:dnereque...@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the > SUBJECT line. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerfor d%40comcast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/andrew.bar acco%40va.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jschwery%40cox.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window
