Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 14
@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/attachments/20090507/74d17b98/attachment-0001.htm -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:03:23 +0800 From: art esmeralda artesmera...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: b007d8020905062303k4bee27c0mf04638c90d021...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I humbly nominate Murlwe. He's been exhaustive in his efforts in promoting OSM here in Mindanao and for promoting the local Opensource advocacy and initiative. thanks, Art On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: We are mentioned here: * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand. Anybody willing to represent OSM-PH? I guess it's worth trying to nominate one from the group. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Mik el Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships To: t...@openstreetmap.org The OpenStreetMap Foundation is excited to announce a program to cover full travel and accomodations costs for 15 mappers to attend State of the Map. We're seeking nominations from the community for potential mappers. Generally, we are seeking people from places where costs would prohibit attendance, developing countries, and places that are interesting geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are from countries with a small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers in total. They have made a significant start at mapping their city, either through Yahoo imagery or with their own GPS, and are directly familiar with the process of OSM. They may have started communicating among themselves, and made plans and scoped out the process for their local district. But, the community is nowhere near critical mass, and they need the inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level. We need to act fast. State of the Map is just over two months away, tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough time for all the arrangements, the nomination period will be short, one week only, ending next Wednesday, May 13. From the nominations received, we'll review the list and choose 15 mappers to approach with the offer. Depending on their availability to attend, we'll work our way through the list. We only recently secured funding for this program, so the process has to be quick. Please send your nominations to sotm.scholars...@gmail.com. For each nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name, email address, location, and a paragraph or two on why they'd be great to have at SOTM. And also, please forward this message to other relevant local OSM lists. As for regions, here are a few regions that seem to fit the bill, but nominations are not limited to these places at all. * Eastern Europe: the Caucasus, Russia, Bulgaria, Romania. * Arab States: Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt. Egypt is particularly interesting, as the ban on GPS units there was recently lifted. * South Asia: India, Pakistan. While both countries have seen significant activities, relative to size and population they are in the very early stages. * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand. * South America: Colombia, Bolivia, Peru. Promising leads in government for the release of data for use in OSM. * East Africa: Kenya is a hotspot for mapping right now (Ushahidi, AgCommons, MapMaker..) Many thanks to the Open Society Institute for helping make this happen. -Mikel ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http
Re: [talk-ph] [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships
Thanks rally! But it's in July, there's just too much work around that time (will be studying radar remote sensing geekery). But if you can sponsor me to this conference: http://2009.foss4g.org/ that would be awesome :) On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote: i would like to nominate Maning Sambale to represent the OSM-PH. :-) On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: We are mentioned here: * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand. Anybody willing to represent OSM-PH? I guess it's worth trying to nominate one from the group. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships To: t...@openstreetmap.org The OpenStreetMap Foundation is excited to announce a program to cover full travel and accomodations costs for 15 mappers to attend State of the Map. We're seeking nominations from the community for potential mappers. Generally, we are seeking people from places where costs would prohibit attendance, developing countries, and places that are interesting geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are from countries with a small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers in total. They have made a significant start at mapping their city, either through Yahoo imagery or with their own GPS, and are directly familiar with the process of OSM. They may have started communicating among themselves, and made plans and scoped out the process for their local district. But, the community is nowhere near critical mass, and they need the inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level. We need to act fast. State of the Map is just over two months away, tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough time for all the arrangements, the nomination period will be short, one week only, ending next Wednesday, May 13. From the nominations received, we'll review the list and choose 15 mappers to approach with the offer. Depending on their availability to attend, we'll work our way through the list. We only recently secured funding for this program, so the process has to be quick. Please send your nominations to sotm.scholars...@gmail.com. For each nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name, email address, location, and a paragraph or two on why they'd be great to have at SOTM. And also, please forward this message to other relevant local OSM lists. As for regions, here are a few regions that seem to fit the bill, but nominations are not limited to these places at all. * Eastern Europe: the Caucasus, Russia, Bulgaria, Romania. * Arab States: Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt. Egypt is particularly interesting, as the ban on GPS units there was recently lifted. * South Asia: India, Pakistan. While both countries have seen significant activities, relative to size and population they are in the very early stages. * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand. * South America: Colombia, Bolivia, Peru. Promising leads in government for the release of data for use in OSM. * East Africa: Kenya is a hotspot for mapping right now (Ushahidi, AgCommons, MapMaker..) Many thanks to the Open Society Institute for helping make this happen. -Mikel ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 14
the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:55:04 +0800 From: Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: b93f92660905062255x40e5cf09p5aa981b0a38e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 i would like to nominate Maning Sambale to represent the OSM-PH. :-) On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: We are mentioned here: * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand. Anybody willing to represent OSM-PH? I guess it's worth trying to nominate one from the group. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships To: t...@openstreetmap.org The OpenStreetMap Foundation is excited to announce a program to cover full travel and accomodations costs for 15 mappers to attend State of the Map. We're seeking nominations from the community for potential mappers. Generally, we are seeking people from places where costs would prohibit attendance, developing countries, and places that are interesting geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are from countries with a small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers in total. They have made a significant start at mapping their city, either through Yahoo imagery or with their own GPS, and are directly familiar with the process of OSM. They may have started communicating among themselves, and made plans and scoped out the process for their local district. But, the community is nowhere near critical mass, and they need the inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level. We need to act fast. State of the Map is just over two months away, tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough time for all the arrangements, the nomination period will be short, one week only, ending next Wednesday, May 13. From the nominations received, we'll review the list and choose 15 mappers to approach with the offer. Depending on their availability to attend, we'll work our way through the list. We only recently secured funding for this program, so the process has to be quick. Please send your nominations to sotm.scholars...@gmail.com. For each nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name, email address, location, and a paragraph or two on why they'd be great to have at SOTM. And also, please forward this message to other relevant local OSM lists. As for regions, here are a few regions that seem to fit the bill, but nominations are not limited to these places at all. * Eastern Europe: the Caucasus, Russia, Bulgaria, Romania. * Arab States: Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt. Egypt is particularly interesting, as the ban on GPS units there was recently lifted. * South Asia: India, Pakistan. While both countries have seen significant activities, relative to size and population they are in the very early stages. * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand. * South America: Colombia, Bolivia, Peru. Promising leads in government for the release of data for use in OSM. * East Africa: Kenya is a hotspot for mapping right now (Ushahidi, AgCommons, MapMaker..) Many thanks to the Open Society Institute for helping make this happen. -Mikel ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/attachments/20090507/74d17b98/attachment-0001.htm -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:03:23 +0800 From: art esmeralda artesmera...@gmail.com Subject
Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)
OK, well as everyone has an opinion on this one ... :-) Eugene Alvin Villar wrote, On Wednesday, May 06, 2009 08:20 PM: It's tempting to mark out in OSM all of the Jollibee, McDonald's, and Starbucks branches in the Philippines but I'm wondering if this is wise. Do we mark out every retail store, every bank branch, every Western Union/FedEx/LBC outlet, and every company's office in OSM? My personal take is that we don't need to. I can think of at least two ways in which such information would be useful. If you're using Fast food outlets to navigate by then knowing the name is critical: turn left at the McDonalds. Fast food outlets are actually quite convenient to navigate by because they have BIG signs and instantly recognisable branding which everyone knows. So yes, I can see a use for names here. Another use would be if you were looking for an ATM in a certain area. Not all cards work with all banks, so its useful to know the brand of bank you're dealing with. So here again its useful to have the name of the bank. One big problem is multi-storey malls like SM Megamall that have hundreds of tenants. It'll be quite unwieldy to maintain and edit overlapping POIs in such a small land area. Definitely. Let people go inside and use the store directory for that. But again, if there is a store visible from the outside, which will help with visual navigation, then sure, why not put it in? Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] POIs Part 2
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote, On Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:57 PM: This is a rendering problem, not a problem of data collection. It's theoretically possible to add more metadata to those resorts (like N-star rating) so that a renderer can choose to, say, display only 4- and 5-star resorts so as not to clutter a general-purpose map. This can be tied to zoom levels so that at a low zoom level, only Boracay Regency, Discovery Shores, Friday's, Shangri-La Boracay, etc. will be displayed or labeled. At higher zoom levels, more detail and labels can then be displayed. I was thinking about this recently, and wondered if there might, at any point in the future, be plans to include another level of zoom. I guess that has huge implications on data storage, but it seems that it would be useful. Or would it be possible to build your own renderer to do this? I created the Boracay data in JOSM, which can zoom in pretty much as far as you like, and of course it looked fine in there. But I see Ahmed's point about it looking too cluttered when its displayed on the map as rendered by OSM. Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)
I agree! -Original Message- From: Jim Morgan [...@datalude.com] Sent: 5/7/2009 5:35:43 PM To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City) OK, well as everyone has an opinion on this one ... :-) Eugene Alvin Villar wrote, On Wednesday, May 06, 2009 08:20 PM: It's tempting to mark out in OSM all of the Jollibee, McDonald's, and Starbucks branches in the Philippines but I'm wondering if this is wise. Do we mark out every retail store, every bank branch, every Western Union/FedEx/LBC outlet, and every company's office in OSM? My personal take is that we don't need to. I can think of at least two ways in which such information would be useful. If you're using Fast food outlets to navigate by then knowing the name is critical: turn left at the McDonalds. Fast food outlets are actually quite convenient to navigate by because they have BIG signs and instantly recognisable branding which everyone knows. So yes, I can see a use for names here. Another use would be if you were looking for an ATM in a certain area. Not all cards work with all banks, so its useful to know the brand of bank you're dealing with. So here again its useful to have the name of the bank. One big problem is multi-storey malls like SM Megamall that have hundreds of tenants. It'll be quite unwieldy to maintain and edit overlapping POIs in such a small land area. Definitely. Let people go inside and use the store directory for that. But again, if there is a store visible from the outside, which will help with visual navigation, then sure, why not put it in? Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph . span id=m2wTlpfont face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif size=2 style=font-size:13.5px___BRGet the Free email that has everyone talking at a href=http://www.mail2world.com target=newhttp://www.mail2world.com/abr font color=#99Unlimited Email Storage #150; POP3 #150; Calendar #150; SMS #150; Translator #150; Much More!/font/font/span___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Reviving plan(s) for Tagaytay Mapping party
Hi, I need help in slicing the cake for our Tagaytay mapping party, something like this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_mapping_party Unfortunately, I can't find a good tagaytay map on the web to use a reference (even the big G don't have high-res sat image). I am also unfamiliar with Tagaytay. Anybody willing to prepare the cake for the party? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:04 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest somewhere here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.102332lon=120.951185zoom=18layers=B000FTF We can choose among the restaurants there for the meeting place (one where there's beer and free wifi). Is it too crowded during weekends? @ ed: I posted the mapping party announcement in the waypoints.ph yahoogroup. I request that you follow-through with the announcement. It would give more weight/interest if the founder say it's a worthwhile event to participate :) On 4/30/09, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I will try my best to clear my schedules on the morning of May 16 so I can at least meet with you guys in person. Might not be able to map much as I will be on my way to Batangas by noon. Where is our meeting place? thanks ed On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I've posted the tagaytay mapping party announcement to several people, mailinglist and my blog. Please help in populating more information in the tagaytay mapping party page to help interested people join. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_Party/Tagaytay On 4/30/09, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Alright, sige lets post an announcement (blogs, OSM diary, mailinglist, yahoogroups). On 4/30/09, Nacario Neil nbnaca...@yahoo.com wrote: good to go - Original Message From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:10:05 PM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Reviving plan(s) for Tagaytay Mapping party Last call for confirming the date: May 16 in Tagaytay Is the date OK with everybody joining? I want the group's approval so we can distribute the announcement to all those interested in participating in the mapping party. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:07 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it should be May 16 or 17? Sorry, I stand corrected so it's May 16 in Tagaytay maning eugene rally andre ianlopez (85%) murlwe (will try) neil Anymore? Rally proposes to carpool to share fuel costs. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Revisiting the admin_level values for boundary=administrative
I guess the group agree to most of seav's proposal on tagging admin_level (unless there are reservations please raise it here). I have another question though, how do we then tag municipal waters? As per RA 8550: http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1998/ra_8550_1998.html 58. Municipal waters - include not only streams, lakes, inland bodies of water and tidal waters within the municipality ... but also marine waters included between two (2. lines drawn perpendicular to the general coastline from points where the boundary lines of the municipality touch the sea at low tide and a third line parallel with the general coastline including offshore islands and fifteen (15. kilometers from such coastline. Where two (2. municipalities are so situated on opposite shores that there is less than thirty (30. kilometers of marine waters between them, the third line shall be equally distant from opposite shore of the respective municipalities. I can make a GIS operation to do this if we can add the boundaries of coastal municipalities in OSM. But AFAIK, what we have on the ground politically is not the same as what the law above defines. Any ideas? Of course we can leave that issue for the moment and proceed to adding the municipal boundaries. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM, ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote: I am in favor of the proposed changes, which is more refined than the current scheme that is now being implemented. Regarding some places mentioned by Eugene, Projects 2-8 are either administered by a similarly named barangay (Projects 4, 6, 7 8), or by barangays with different names. San Francisco del Monte is now (probably) composed of Barangay Del Monte and nearby barangays. In tagging legislative/congressional districts, the tag should be boundary=political, per the previous comment that representatives do not administer their respctive legislative districts. --- On Mon, 5/4/09, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Revisiting the admin_level values for boundary=administrative To: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com Cc: OSM talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 12:18 PM Added a your proposal in the mapping conventions page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Administrative_boundaries I propose we replace the old scheme, once other people have commented/raised their reactions. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi maning, Actually, I mentioned in my e-mail that I have specifically excluded congressional districts[1] from the discussion since these do not specify administrative boundaries. Aside from the pork barrel, the representatives don't *administer* their territories. I think these should be tagged as boundary=legislative/congressional and not as boundary=administrative.[2] I've done a bit more research since my initial e-mail and here is my proposed values for admin_level: 2 - National border 3 - Regions 4 - Provinces 5 - Sangguniang Panlalawigan districts (if any) 6 - Cities/Municipalities 7 - Sangguniang Panlungsod/Bayan districts (if any) 8 - Other administrative districts[3] (if any) 9 - Zones (if any) 10 - Barangays 12 - Sitios/Puroks (if any, but only if boundaries are defined) The Sangguniang Lalawigan/Lungsod/Bayan districts are mentioned in Republic Act No. 7887[4]. These districts basically apportion the members of the LGU's Sanggunian. Since the Sanggunian is an administrative entity (it's the one that creates the local laws or ordinances), then it's proper that their districts also be given admin_levels. These proposed values have the proviso that admin_level=3 is *not* automatically an admin_level=4|5 due to the weird nature of Isabela City and the ARMM. (But, as long as all boundaries are grouped into relations, then there should be no problem with interpretations.) Eugene / seav - [1] The proper legal term is legislative district. [2] We can also have boundary=judicial (for the jurisdictions of the Regional and Metropolitan trial courts) and boundary=police (like Manila's Western Police District). Also, Catholic archdioceses and dioceses, anyone (boundary=catholic)? :-) [3] Examples of other non-Sanggunian districts: A. Manila has 6 Sangguniang districts (I to VI) co-terminous with the legislative districts and these are further subdivided into 17 geographical districts: Tondo 1, Tondo 2, Sta. Cruz, Sampaloc, Sta. Mesa, Quiapo, Binondo, San Miguel, San Nicolas, Port Area, Intramuros, Paco, Pandacan, Ermita, Malate, Sta. Ana, and San Andres. These districts are further subdivided into 100 zones. (Tondo 1 and Tondo 2 used to be one district, while San Andres used to be part of Sta. Ana and Sta. Mesa used to be part of Sampaloc.) B. Iloilo City has 6 districts: Arevalo, City Proper, Jaro, La Paz,
[OSM-legal-talk] Produced Work
On 7 May 2009, at 02:36, SteveC wrote: Hi We've put together a practical definition for the OSMFs point of view on what a substantial extract is, or isn't http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_Defined And we'd like help similarly with building a practical definition of Produced Work. Here's how the license RC1 defines it: Produced Work – a work (such as an image, audiovisual material, text, or sounds) resulting from using the whole or a Substantial part of the Contents (via a search or other query) from this Database, a Derivative Database, or this Database as part of a Collective Database. Thoughts on more practical definitions? The distinction between and Produced Work and a Derived Database is an important one for the ODbL license and there appears to be an assumption by the authors that something is either one or the other but not both. A BMP, PNG or JPEG map could I guess be safely considered to be Produced Works and not to be a Derived Databases. There may be other formats that come to mind that also fall clearly into the Produced Work category, such as MPEG video used with TV broadcasts etc etc. In our earlier discussions about this issue on the list we identified a number of vector formats that could be considered and used as Derived Databases and Produced Works; including KML, SVG, Postscript and PDF. Vector format such as KML can be used for something very small, such a single node, or very large, such as the railways of the world or conceivably I guess the whole OSM dataset. The above list of vector format is details the existing known formats in widespread usage. There is a general trend towards vector descriptions and usage is only going to grow and we need to allow for the unexpected uses that will emerge. We covered the issue here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_Licence/Use_Cases#When_is_something_a_Derivative_Database_when_is_it_a_Produced_Work_and_can_it_be_both Commercial mapping companies solve the problem of vector formats by adding a simple clause to their license saying 'no vector data' but I don't think that any of us are proposing something like that for OSM. Personally I think we are going to need to allow these vector formats to be both Produced Works and Derived Databases and explain how one should attribute and license a 'substantial' vector description of 100+ features such as a KML file or SVG file. Thanks for raising the issue on the list Steve. Regards, Peter Best Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Substantial defined article updated
I have done some work on the Substantial Defined wiki article creating an introduction to the issue and linking to the Use Cases page where there is discussion of the issue. I have also created links from the Use Case page and the Open Issues page from the relevant sections to this article and have added it to the Open Data License category. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_Defined There is an open question as to whether it has the correct title for the page, given that it is only a recommendation which the court may use when interpreting the definition given in the license itself. Possibly we should change its name to 'Substantial - Community Norm' or 'Substantial - Guidance'? Regards, Peter ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Substantial defined article updated
Peter Miller wrote: Possibly we should change its name to 'Substantial - Community Norm' or 'Substantial - Guidance'? +1: Substantial - Community Norm / Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Produced Work
Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: Hi, SteveC wrote: And we'd like help similarly with building a practical definition of Produced Work. Here's how the license RC1 defines it: Obviously this goes hand in hand with the definition of a (derivative) database; everything you make from our data which is not a produced work will be a derivative database and vice versa. Produced Work – a work (such as an image, audiovisual material, text, or sounds) resulting from using the whole or a Substantial part of This goes interestingly hand in hand also with the definition of Substantial. Whatever is created from Insubstantial amount of data is not (or perhaps it does not need to be announced as) Produced Work. It feels natural because if the Insubstantial amount of data is actually free for any use then it would be odd to put restrictions for the derivatives. Thus it would be allowed to to take less than 100 features or area of less than 1000 inhabitants and make PD, Share alike or commercial derivatives from that without any restrictions. Is my interpretation right? What makes it really interesting is that we are living in service based environment. It would be trivial to set up a WMS server, open it for the world and let anybody render OSM maps on-the-fly from any place of the world. Maps would be streamed directly to the user and not necessarily even cached on the server side. Server may have a feature limit so that no more than 100 OSM features would ever be consumed for rendering the maps. Maps do not exist physically anywhere before the client makes the request only on the client computer after the request has been processed. In WFS mode the server could deliver vector data in a similar way. How would this machine suit the new license and definitions of Substantial/Insubstantial and Produced Work? I am mostly wondering, I do not mean that I consider this as such a threat that it should be prevented somehow. -Jukka Rahkonen- ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Produced Work
Hi, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Thus it would be allowed to to take less than 100 features or area of less than 1000 inhabitants and make PD, Share alike or commercial derivatives from that without any restrictions. Is my interpretation right? There's the problem of the reverse-engineering clause that makes it impossible for you to release the non-substantial extract as pure PD or even Share-Alike because the user must be told that they cannot recombine large amounts of such extracts. It would be trivial to set up a WMS server [...] How would this machine suit the new license and definitions of Substantial/Insubstantial and Produced Work? Your hypothetical machine would be constantly serving insubstantial exctracts. Not much different from the API call that gets you a way with all its nodes really. And not a problem for anybody. The extracts would be free to use with no restrictions except the reverse engineering clause. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Substantial defined article updated
-1 Substantial - Community norm +1 Substantial - Guidance +1 Substantial - Guideline -Lauri ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Substantial defined article updated
Lauri Hahne wrote: -1 Substantial - Community norm +1 Substantial - Guidance +1 Substantial - Guideline Page renamed: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_-_Guideline Old page has redirect to new page. / Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] shoreline_300, world borders _without _ rectangles
Torsten Mohr tmohr at s.netic.de writes: Hello, i'm glad i got the blu marble working nw and can create a map of the whole world with the satellite images of the earth as background. It looks really great. But what would be great if i could also overlay the world / continents / islands / states borders as outline. I can't use the shoreline_300 file as it is split into several polygons and adds heaps of plates to the earth and does not look good. I have not had a look at shoreline_300 but have you tried to draw the polygons with fill but without outline? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Borders of the federal states of Germany (again)
Torsten Mohr tmohr at s.netic.de writes: Hello, this issue is not related to another post that i did here regarding the outline of the world (shoreline_300). I want to create a map of Germany with many details, especially the federal states should have different background colors. I got a hint already for a ShapeFile that contains these data. That file looked great, but the borderlines defined in there are _much_ more coarse than the data in the PostGIS, so creating the background from the rough, coarse data does not look that good. It does not match the borders that are drawn. Is there a way to get the border information from the PostGIS server that runs locally on my machine? Hi, Import osm data into PostGIS with osm2pgsql utility and query borders with SQL query like SELECT * FROM osm_line WHERE admin_level is not null; At least in the Finnish data excerpt the borders are lines. For making coloured areas border lines must first be converted to polygons. Last step is to draw the states with different colours for example by adding a single value theme looking at state name etc. All this can be done with OpenJUMP, QGis, uDig, gvSIG etc. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 04:36:58PM +0300, Tal wrote: Regarding the official language, or more precisely, which of the available languages to use, I've always felt that this is a rendering issue, sort of. I mean, that this is a higher level knowledge that should be an input to the rendering software, in addition to the osm db, much like the rule file. This new knowledge, which might reside in the rule file, should not be a part of the osm db. I'm totally with you, it should be a thing for the renderer. But ... if you don't know in which language the name-tag is in, it's hard to decide which language to take. An example. I want a German map, but when there are no German names I'd prefer English ones. No you encounter a street: name=Bergstrasse name:en=Mountain Road Which text do you print on the map? I think we need a way to tell the renderer which language(s) are used for the name, ref, desc, ...-tags. And actually I don't see a political problem, because it just adds some additional information about something which is already there. And in cases where you have several languages in the name-tag you should use the same order for the language-tag. (That doesn't have to imply any importance or what-so-ever). I just create a feature proposal, maybe things will get clearer with it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Language_of_this_element greetings, Stephan -- Seid unbequem, seid Sand, nicht Öl im Getriebe der Welt! - Günther Eich ,-. | Stephan Plepelits, | | Technische Universität Wien -Studium Informatik Raumplanung | | openstreetbrowser.org couchsurfing.com tubasis.at bl.mud.at | | sk...@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at - My Blog: http://plepe.at | `-' ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Xapi and version attribute
Maarten At the moment only elements changed since 0.6 will have a version attribute. I do plan to run a process which will add the version number for all old elements. This will probably happen within a week or two. 80n On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Is it possible that in the Xapi servers, the version attribute is only present in nodes that have been changed after the 0.6 transition? If I download data from Xapi, it is missing in most nodes, except for those edited after 2009-04-28 (in my dataset). I think this is quite an important issue as the 0.6 api will not accept uploads without a version. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Xapi and version attribute
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Rob Reid r...@robreid.co.nz wrote: Maarten Deen wrote the following on 07/05/2009 07:31: Is it possible that in the Xapi servers, the version attribute is only present in nodes that have been changed after the 0.6 transition? If I download data from Xapi, it is missing in most nodes, except for those edited after 2009-04-28 (in my dataset). See 80n's email to talk about it a couple of days ago http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-May/036563.html I think this is quite an important issue as the 0.6 api will not accept uploads without a version. I'm not sure Xapi is your best source of data if you are planning on editing it and feeding it back into the main api as there is no guarantee you are dealing with the latest data. For example around the 5th May it was returning data from the 29th April and I could see it slowly catching up with each query I did over the next few days. It has been playing catchup since the 0.6 upgrade and is currently not far behind. It's normal state is to be about 5 minutes behind the live database. All the editing programs (except maybe potlatch which has its own interface) go through the main api for this reason, I think Xapi is intended more for search and querying the data in a read-only way where having the guaranteed latest version is not so important. Now that the api supports versions you may be safe since any edits you try where you don't have the current version will be rejected but if you were doing it pre-api 0.6 its possible you were reverting other peoples changes. Unlikely since the lag is normally only 5 minutes and most areas don't change very much at all. In practice the risk of edit collisions (unless there's a mapping party or something intense happening) is very very low. 0.6 gives you version protection now anyway, so it's perfectly safe (famous last words). 80n rcr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Stephan Plepelits sk...@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 04:36:58PM +0300, Tal wrote: Regarding the official language, or more precisely, which of the available languages to use, I've always felt that this is a rendering issue, sort of. I mean, that this is a higher level knowledge that should be an input to the rendering software, in addition to the osm db, much like the rule file. This new knowledge, which might reside in the rule file, should not be a part of the osm db. I'm totally with you, it should be a thing for the renderer. But ... if you don't know in which language the name-tag is in, it's hard to decide which language to take. Here, I totally agree with you. That's why it should be strongly encouraged to ALWAYS tag what language a name tag is in. But there is no need to introduce a new tag for this (I did tried to suggest it once, as a temporary workaround, not as the ultimate solution). An example. I want a German map, but when there are no German names I'd prefer English ones. No you encounter a street: name=Bergstrasse name:en=Mountain Road When you tag names without specifying the language, you get yourself into troubles. why not tag as: name:de=Bergstrasse name:en=Mountain Road Which text do you print on the map? I think we need a way to tell the renderer which language(s) are used for the name, ref, desc, ...-tags. And actually I don't see a political problem, because it just adds some additional information about something which is already there. I agree that's nothing political, and there is some information missing. You propose to add this information in the following way: name=Bergstrasse name:en=Mountain Road local_language_used_in_name_tags=de I think it complicates things without a goog reason. I solve it as I've shown above: name:de=Bergstrasse name:en=Mountain Road And in cases where you have several languages in the name-tag you should use the same order for the language-tag. (That doesn't have to imply any importance or what-so-ever). I'd like to draw some attention to http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1643 It adds a preferedLanguages parameter to osmrenderer rule file (or as a command line option): assume preferedLanguages=:en,:de,,:he when osmarenderer need a name tag, it will use the first available tag of the following: name:en,name:de,name,name:he ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
I agree that's nothing political, and there is some information missing. You propose to add this information in the following way: name=Bergstrasse name:en=Mountain Road local_language_used_in_name_tags=de I think it complicates things without a goog reason. I solve it as I've shown above: name:de=Bergstrasse name:en=Mountain Road I remember that in some countries, the official language of the name depends on the municipality; in these cases it would be nice to be able to specify this language on the object itself. Otherwise you would have to build a huge external database correlating villages to languages. Something like this would be feasible in a (hypothetical) german-english bilingual area: name:de=Bergstrasse name:en=Mountain Road language:name=de The language tag could also be used on higher administrative units like counties, and would be automatically inherited to objects inside them, unless explicitly overridden. Note that you would not need to specify a general name tag here. Regards, Marc -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
I personally believe that the tag should exist for named fields, so it would be different for each nodes or ways. I think this proposal is pretty sane. Some people have pointed out the problem about towns like Brussels where this model might not apply as easily but I am pretty convinced that it would be non controversial most of the time. Emilie Laffray On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net wrote: I agree that's nothing political, and there is some information missing. You propose to add this information in the following way: name=Bergstrasse name:en=Mountain Road local_language_used_in_name_tags=de I think it complicates things without a goog reason. I solve it as I've shown above: name:de=Bergstrasse name:en=Mountain Road I remember that in some countries, the official language of the name depends on the municipality; in these cases it would be nice to be able to specify this language on the object itself. Otherwise you would have to build a huge external database correlating villages to languages. Something like this would be feasible in a (hypothetical) german-english bilingual area: name:de=Bergstrasse name:en=Mountain Road language:name=de The language tag could also be used on higher administrative units like counties, and would be automatically inherited to objects inside them, unless explicitly overridden. Note that you would not need to specify a general name tag here. Regards, Marc -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Produced Work
Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: Hi, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Thus it would be allowed to to take less than 100 features or area of less than 1000 inhabitants and make PD, Share alike or commercial derivatives from that without any restrictions. Is my interpretation right? There's the problem of the reverse-engineering clause that makes it impossible for you to release the non-substantial extract as pure PD or even Share-Alike because the user must be told that they cannot recombine large amounts of such extracts. Then there is place only for a marginal ReallyFreeVillageMap service that renders maps in some image format from places with less than 1000 inhabitants and just for viewing and not for reverse-engineering. Does not sound very dangerous. -Jukka- ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net wrote: name=Bergstrasse How do we know if the tag name is German ? Well, because it's a geo db and we know where the element is. Make the live of contributors easy and let software working hard for us. Here are my comments I wrote on the wiki discussion page (but it seems that the discussion is here ;-) : First, you probably know that the tag name already exists in millions OSM objects. And most of them are only in the local language. So, if you think that the tag language could be automatically added for most of the countries, then you understand that it can be also solved in applications rather than in the database. The current schema is quite easy to understand and the smallest effort for contributors (which is an important point): For countries with a single language: * name is the local language * name:iso_code is the translation to another language For countries with more than one local language: * name is the collection of all local languages * name:iso_code is the translation to each local language You say in your email: An example. I want a German map, but when there are no German names I'd prefer English ones. This can be solved in your rendering application. For all names inside Germany: * if name exists = use it * else if name:en exists = use it For other countries: * if name:de exists = use it * else if name:en exists = use it. * else use name (local language as a last option) Applying different rules in different areas shouldn't be an issue for softwares in our domaine. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 11:41:43AM +0200, Pieren wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net wrote: name=Bergstrasse How do we know if the tag name is German ? Well, because it's a geo db and we know where the element is. Make the live of contributors easy and let software working hard for us. Yes, we know where an element is. But how do we know what is the language in that part of the planet? Am I supposed to maintain a separate database with this knowledge? Which are the countries with german language? - Germany (ok, that's easy) - Austria (people who don't confuse it with Austrlia should know) - Switzerland (but not in all parts) - Some villages in Brazil I suppose - In Trannsylvania it might have been relevant, but the German population decreased in the last century You see, it's not that easy ... greetings, Stephan -- Seid unbequem, seid Sand, nicht Öl im Getriebe der Welt! - Günther Eich ,-. | Stephan Plepelits, | | Technische Universität Wien -Studium Informatik Raumplanung | | openstreetbrowser.org couchsurfing.com tubasis.at bl.mud.at | | sk...@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at - My Blog: http://plepe.at | `-' ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Stephan Plepelits sk...@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Which are the countries with german language? - Germany (ok, that's easy) - Austria (people who don't confuse it with Austrlia should know) - Switzerland (but not in all parts) - Some villages in Brazil I suppose - In Trannsylvania it might have been relevant, but the German population decreased in the last century You forgot Namibia:P Regards, Brendan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
Stephan Plepelits wrote: On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 11:41:43AM +0200, Pieren wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net wrote: name=Bergstrasse How do we know if the tag name is German ? Well, because it's a geo db and we know where the element is. Make the live of contributors easy and let software working hard for us. Yes, we know where an element is. But how do we know what is the language in that part of the planet? Am I supposed to maintain a separate database with this knowledge? Which are the countries with german language? - Germany (ok, that's easy) - Austria (people who don't confuse it with Austrlia should know) - Switzerland (but not in all parts) - Some villages in Brazil I suppose - In Trannsylvania it might have been relevant, but the German population decreased in the last century - Eastern part of Belgium. But for roadnames, I do not see the point in using a different language than the one on the sign. If I tell someone to go to the Mountainroad in Vienna, then they will probably end up in Wien, Austria, but where the *** is that Mountainroad? It's not to be found on any sign or map. Better ask a local... Mountainroad? Never heard of it. For place names I see a use, as different countries have been naming foreign cities in their own langauge, but for minor features like roads I don't see the use. But even so: I would opt to use the local name in the name tag and use name:xx for names in foreign languages for people to render them as they please. And I thought that that convention was already used. It is at least for the Dutch carnaval map (that's a map where most of the cities names are rendered in the local name as used during carnaval) http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=10lat=51.45lon=5.71layers=0B0F That still does not solve completely the problem in dual-language areas like Brussels, but there both local names are in the name tag (as both local names are on street signs). Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Stephan Plepelits sk...@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Which are the countries with german language? - Germany (ok, that's easy) - Austria (people who don't confuse it with Austrlia should know) Happens to me a lot, especially in English... :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Substantial defined article updated
El Jueves, 7 de Mayo de 2009, Peter Miller escribió: Possibly we should change its name to 'Substantial - Community Norm' or 'Substantial - Guidance'? I disagree with the current definition, so: -1 Substantial - Community norm +1 Substantial - Guidance -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es ivansanchez_TBA str_replace(quieas,quieras); SinnerBOFH s/\ /. * ivansanchez_TBA no usa sed SinnerBOFH pues es ideal para SinnerBOFH beber cerveza signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Stephan Plepelits wrote: On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 11:41:43AM +0200, Pieren wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net wrote: name=Bergstrasse How do we know if the tag name is German ? Well, because it's a geo db and we know where the element is. Make the live of contributors easy and let software working hard for us. Yes, we know where an element is. But how do we know what is the language in that part of the planet? Am I supposed to maintain a separate database with this knowledge? Which are the countries with german language? - Germany (ok, that's easy) - Austria (people who don't confuse it with Austrlia should know) - Switzerland (but not in all parts) - Some villages in Brazil I suppose - In Trannsylvania it might have been relevant, but the German population decreased in the last century - Eastern part of Belgium. But for roadnames, I do not see the point in using a different language than the one on the sign. If I tell someone to go to the Mountainroad in Vienna, then they will probably end up in Wien, Austria, but where the *** is that Mountainroad? It's not to be found on any sign or map. Better ask a local... Mountainroad? Never heard of it. Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street names in a different language than the one on the sign? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Maarten Deen wrote: That still does not solve completely the problem in dual-language areas like Brussels, but there both local names are in the name tag (as both local names are on street signs). Streets in Brussels are almost all tagged with both name:nl and name:fr (together with a name: French name - Dutch name tag which is a bit superfluous but needed if we want names on the rendered maps...), so it's possible to select the language. So I'd say the problem is pretty easy to solve for street names: * Either there's on official language and the street name shouldn't be translated at all, even if you want a map in a different language. So just take the name tag. * Either there are more languages on the street sign, in which case you tag with all the name:xx for each language there is on the sign. So take the name:xx you want, or if your preferred language isn't there, also take the name tag. For place names this will be more tricky of course... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
Tal wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: But for roadnames, I do not see the point in using a different language than the one on the sign. If I tell someone to go to the Mountainroad in Vienna, then they will probably end up in Wien, Austria, but where the *** is that Mountainroad? It's not to be found on any sign or map. Better ask a local... Mountainroad? Never heard of it. Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street names in a different language than the one on the sign? No, not really. Will I be able to know where I'm going using that map? Will any name match a name that I will encounter on the street? Of course, for me as a European it would make some sense to have a map with European script, in stead of Hebrew, Greek, Cyrillic, Arabian, ... etc. so that I can pronounce the names, but it would not make sense to have the names translated to my language because probably nobody will speak my language. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
Ben Laenen wrote: So I'd say the problem is pretty easy to solve for street names: * Either there's on official language and the street name shouldn't be translated at all, even if you want a map in a different language. So just take the name tag. * Either there are more languages on the street sign, in which case you tag with all the name:xx for each language there is on the sign. So take the name:xx you want, or if your preferred language isn't there, also take the name tag. And tag all those names in the name tag. Otherwise you will have to pick a name to display, or alternativly render all tiles with dual (triple? quadruple?) name overlays. Basically what I'm in favour of is put whatever is on the sign in the name tag. In Brussels, both names are on the sign, so both names go in the name tag. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Tal wrote: Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street names in a different language than the one on the sign? name:xx is only for the names on the street sign (the official names, and locals will often know them) Other translations or transliteration don't have a place in name:xx tags, but could be in other tags (let's say name_translation:xx(:yy), or name_transliteration:xx:yy: with xx the language and/or script you've trans(iter)ated into, yy the language and/or script you've translated from, and the transliteration ruleset you've used). Or you'd end up asking locals the route to street names in your translated language, or blindly driving through streets with names on your map you can't see anywhere. So you may be able to read nice names like Tulip Street or Station Lane in Tel Aviv but what have you gained with that? Even if you can't read a single letter of the script in the country you're at, you could still try to match the shapes to those you see on street signs, or point locals to the names on the map if you're lost. Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
2009/5/7 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com: On Thursday 07 May 2009, Tal wrote: Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street names in a different language than the one on the sign? name:xx is only for the names on the street sign (the official names, and locals will often know them) Other translations or transliteration don't have a place in name:xx tags, but could be in other tags (let's say name_translation:xx(:yy), or name_transliteration:xx:yy: with xx the language and/or script you've trans(iter)ated into, yy the language and/or script you've translated from, and the transliteration ruleset you've used). Or you'd end up asking locals the route to street names in your translated language, or blindly driving through streets with names on your map you can't see anywhere. So you may be able to read nice names like Tulip Street or Station Lane in Tel Aviv but what have you gained with that? Even if you can't read a single letter of the script in the country you're at, you could still try to match the shapes to those you see on street signs, or point locals to the names on the map if you're lost. Ben In that case what we may need is a phonetic name tag. (Oh dear) Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
Am Donnerstag 07 Mai 2009 schrieb Tal: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Stephan Plepelits sk...@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Which are the countries with german language? - Germany (ok, that's easy) - Austria (people who don't confuse it with Austrlia should know) Happens to me a lot, especially in English... :) that's why they sell a t-shirt in vienna/austria which has written on it: There are no kangaroos in Austria! :D signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street names in a different language than the one on the sign? In that case I'd want something that told me how to pronounce the name of the street but written in my own alphabet, rather than what the name of the street actually means - just like at Japanese railway stations. But maybe this is nothing more than a limitation of the Mountain Road example. Donald ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
Peter Childs wrote: 2009/5/7 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com: On Thursday 07 May 2009, Tal wrote: Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street names in a different language than the one on the sign? name:xx is only for the names on the street sign (the official names, and locals will often know them) Other translations or transliteration don't have a place in name:xx tags, but could be in other tags (let's say name_translation:xx(:yy), or name_transliteration:xx:yy: with xx the language and/or script you've trans(iter)ated into, yy the language and/or script you've translated from, and the transliteration ruleset you've used). Or you'd end up asking locals the route to street names in your translated language, or blindly driving through streets with names on your map you can't see anywhere. So you may be able to read nice names like Tulip Street or Station Lane in Tel Aviv but what have you gained with that? Even if you can't read a single letter of the script in the country you're at, you could still try to match the shapes to those you see on street signs, or point locals to the names on the map if you're lost. Ben In that case what we may need is a phonetic name tag. (Oh dear) Which could also be useful when creating routing software that synthesises its speech output. Christoph ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 07 May 2009, Tal wrote: Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street names in a different language than the one on the sign? name:xx is only for the names on the street sign (the official names, and locals will often know them) And suppose I just mapped, as I really did, several streets with no street signs at all. These streets have names, they are mentioned in local maps, and you can send letters to that street addresses. Are you saying that I should not tag these street names just because they do not have a street sign? Another thing, old streets signs in Tel-Aviv also had Arabic script. Newer signs, which gradually replace the old onces, generally do not contain Arabic (that probably depend on the area of the city). So one should map a street in 3 languages (he,ar,en) now, and when the city replaces the corresponding sign, one should go back and delete that name:ar? I understand that name:xx is mainly for what is on the street signs, but this is only because the relevant names in all the relevant languages are usually on a nearby street sign. When they are not, that rule no longer applies. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
To know what the default language is used in the tag name is a common issue about default meanings related to a tag. Look the following wiki pages about default maxspeed or default access restrictions per country or region: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Maxspeed http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions By defining such clear documentation, we don't have to add millions of maxspeed tags or foot=yes/no, bicycle=yes/no, hgv=yes/no in all highways... or language=iso_code to millions of elements. Thus we should be able to specify the default language used in name either in a similar wiki page or maybe in a boundary relation. But please, don't ask me to type two tags each time I enter a name. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
Peter Childs wrote: In that case what we may need is a phonetic name tag. (Oh dear) Like the one on: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/18167379 then? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
Tal wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 07 May 2009, Tal wrote: Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street names in a different language than the one on the sign? name:xx is only for the names on the street sign (the official names, and locals will often know them) And suppose I just mapped, as I really did, several streets with no street signs at all. These streets have names, they are mentioned in local maps, and you can send letters to that street addresses. Are you saying that I should not tag these street names just because they do not have a street sign? I hope you do understand that it's not the street sign as such, but the official name which is supposed to be in the name tag. Of course an absence of a street sign does not mean that the street has no name or should not be tagged with a name. Another thing, old streets signs in Tel-Aviv also had Arabic script. Newer signs, which gradually replace the old onces, generally do not contain Arabic (that probably depend on the area of the city). So one should map a street in 3 languages (he,ar,en) now, and when the city replaces the corresponding sign, one should go back and delete that name:ar? Depends on what the official name is. And with other alphabets it is also a question what name:en should be. Should it be a literal translation to english, or should it be the local name, but written in European alphabet? Same goes for Cyrillic alphabet. When I look around, I see roads tagged in name:en with the russian name, in European script. I think in these situations name:en should be the local name in European alphabet. This is different from what I was saying before, but I think this is a different situation. I understand that name:xx is mainly for what is on the street signs, but this is only because the relevant names in all the relevant languages are usually on a nearby street sign. When they are not, that rule no longer applies. name:xx is IMHO not mainly for street signs. At least if you speak of name:xx for use as a literal translation to other languages (the Bergstraße - Mountain road example) it has little or no use in street signs, except in multilingual places where the street signs show multiple languages. It has more use in place names. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] gdalwarp question
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Torsten Mohr tm...@s.netic.de wrote: Hello Jukka, no, thanks for your help, any hint and discussion is really appreciated. Sorry, I misunderstood a bit what you were going to do. It may well be that for Mapnik you'll need to reproject raster image first. I do not much about Mapnik and while a have been using gdal utilities very much I don't believe I have ever needed to create output in Google projection. By first look what you have done does make sense. You can make a couple of further tests: I solved the issue now in a different way. Based on information on wikipedia about mercaator projection i did the reprojection of the blue marble myself. It took quite a while to execute, but the reprojection itself worked quite fine. Now the borders (shoreline_300) are exactly on the borders of the continents and islands on the blue marble. The relevant part of the script i use is attached below, if anybody is interested please write me an email (i use an own library to handle the images themselves, that part needs to be adapted to e.g. PyImage). Thank you all for providing me help, i hope the script below is of value to anybody. As a point of comparison, I did the following last weekend (coincidently whilst you were battling with the same issues). 1) Download GeoTiff images from http://www.unearthedoutdoors.net/global_data/true_marble/download 2) Remember from bitter experience that mapnik doesn't do on-the-fly reprojection 3) Gdalwarp them into spherical mercator. 4) Remember from bitter experience that gdalwarp messes up the geotiff coordinates (i.e. they come out as non-spherical mercator and then confuse the gdal plugin for mapnik) 5) Calculate the extents of the image using gdalinfo on the orginals (using mapnik prj.Forward code in a simple python script) 6) use mapniks' raster plugin with lox/loy/hix/hiy set using the output from 5 7) ... fiddle around a bit with layers and coastlines ... 8) Admire imagery and OSM combined at http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=4lat=42.32525lon=3.33555layers=B000 :-) Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 03:26:49PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: I understand that name:xx is mainly for what is on the street signs, but this is only because the relevant names in all the relevant languages are usually on a nearby street sign. When they are not, that rule no longer applies. name:xx is IMHO not mainly for street signs. At least if you speak of name:xx for use as a literal translation to other languages (the Bergstraße - Mountain road example) it has little or no use in street signs, except in multilingual places where the street signs show multiple languages. It has more use in place names. I think the most interesting would be POIs. Just an example from Vienna: http://www.openstreetbrowser.org/#way_9826594 name:de=Stephansdom name:en=St. Stephen's Cathedral name:fr=Cathédrale Saint-Étienne de Vienne name:hu=Szent István-székesegyház (The tags are not there (yet), I just got the info from Wikipedia) greetings, Stephan -- Seid unbequem, seid Sand, nicht Öl im Getriebe der Welt! - Günther Eich ,-. | Stephan Plepelits, | | Technische Universität Wien -Studium Informatik Raumplanung | | openstreetbrowser.org couchsurfing.com tubasis.at bl.mud.at | | sk...@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at - My Blog: http://plepe.at | `-' ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fw: [ppgis] Invitation for expressions of interest for Ordnance Survey Think Tank Session on Crowd source data capture, geospatial mashups and its impact on NMAs - 13th July 2009 (Tuesday
- Forwarded Message From: Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk To: Open Forum on Participatory Geographic Information Systems and Technologies pp...@dgroups.org Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 5:02:25 AM Subject: [ppgis] Invitation for expressions of interest for Ordnance Survey Think Tank Session on Crowd source data capture, geospatial mashups and its impact on NMAs - 13th July 2009 (Tuesday) at University of Nottingham Dear All, The Ordnance Survey has awarded a research contract to the Centre of Geospatial Science (CGS) to investigate future data and data management developments that might impact on Ordnance Survey's operations and services. Please see http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/projects_os.htmlfor more details. In part fulfilment of this contract we are organising a series of Think Tank events to explore relevant technology developments and to better understand how these developments might influence and impact on spatial data capture and usage in the future. The second of Think Tank events is to be held on 13th July 2009 (Tuesday) at University of Nottingham and will cover the topic of Crowd sourced data capture, geospatial mashups and its impact on NMAs The Think Tank Meeting will a one-day event with 12 experts drawn from a mix of academic, commercial and industry backgrounds. Selected participants may be invited to give brief presentations but in each case significant time will be allocated for discussion and open exploration of likely developments and potential consequences. The participants will be divided into four teams (each with 3 members) and will work on a given challenge. The meeting will operate according to Chatham House rules. Interested participants are invited to submit short position paper (max 2 A4 pages) detailing their potential think tank contribution, expectations, vision and research interest, before 30 May 2009 to suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk Travel and accommodation costs of all the selected participants will be reimbursed. Selection of invited experts will be made by the Ordnance Survey. Think Tank Outcomes *Identify key research trends and developments in this theme *Identify mid-term (2-5 years) and long-term (6-10 years) research challenges in this theme *Produce report on the Think Tank findings. Please contact me for any information required. Best wishes, Suchith Anand Dr Suchith Anand Centre for Geospatial Science Sir Clive Granger Building University of Nottingham Tel: (0)115 846 8408 http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/cgs_suchith_anand.html http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/ http://ica-opensource.scg.ulaval.ca/ This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. body pThe Open Forum on Participatory Geographic Information Systems and Technologies is managed by www.iapad.org/a.br You may register to French-, Portuguese- and Spanish speaking chapters of this list via www.ppgis.net/a.br Interested in PGIS/PPGIS related literature? Go here'http://ppgis.iapad.org/bibliography.htm;here! Interested in joining the PGIS/PPGIS Community on bLinkedIn:/b Go here/a!/p pnbsp;/p /body Visit [web site]( http://dgroups.org/groups/ppgis ) Click [here]( mailto:leave.pp...@dgroups.org ) to unsubscribe The email is intended only for the recipients. The owners of the Dgroups cannot be held responsible for the contents of the email message. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] RSS Feed for GPS traces
Hi, is there a RSS feed for all traces? http://openstreetmap.org/traces/rss shows only the most recent entries and it does not show the entries of the current page but always the first page (which is a bit confusing anyway). Cheers, Jan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] RSS Feed for GPS traces
Jan Torben Heuer wrote: is there a RSS feed for all traces? http://openstreetmap.org/traces/rss shows only the most recent entries and it does not show the entries of the current page but always the first page (which is a bit confusing anyway). No, strangely enough we don't have a 100Mb RSS feed of all 22 public traces. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Society of Cartographers
If your appetite for cartography has been whetted by your involvement with OSM you might like to find out what else is happening in the mapping world. Three possible things you could do: 1 - have a read of the latest Society of Cartographers Newsletter. It contains contributions from two prominent OSMers. It can be downloaded from: http://www.soc.org.uk/newslett.htm#latestNewsletter 2 - consider presenting your latest map-reated idea or project at the Society of Cartographers summer school. Call for papers and details of the event are at: http://www.soc.org.uk/southampton09/ 3 - consider attending the summer school as a delegate. There will be much of potential interest to OSMers. Chris Osborne, Keir Clarke and Ed Mac Gillavray are already confirmed speakers, as is an OpenLayers workshop. Details at link above, which will be constantly updated as details are firmed up. Cheers STEVE ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] RSS Feed for GPS traces
Hi, RSS feeds generally only show the most recent x articles/items rather than every single article/item. Shaun On 7 May 2009, at 16:58, Jan Torben Heuer wrote: Hi, is there a RSS feed for all traces? http://openstreetmap.org/traces/rss shows only the most recent entries and it does not show the entries of the current page but always the first page (which is a bit confusing anyway). Cheers, Jan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Society of Cartographers
wow, thanks. Absolutely beautiful: http://geo.nls.uk/maps/glasgow1857/openlayers.html?zoom=19lat=55.85379lon=-4.26118layers=B00T Regards, Juan Lucas De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Steve Chilton Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 18:05 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] Society of Cartographers If your appetite for cartography has been whetted by your involvement with OSM you might like to find out what else is happening in the mapping world. Three possible things you could do: 1 - have a read of the latest Society of Cartographers Newsletter. It contains contributions from two prominent OSMers. It can be downloaded from: http://www.soc.org.uk/newslett.htm#latestNewsletter 2 - consider presenting your latest map-reated idea or project at the Society of Cartographers summer school. Call for papers and details of the event are at: http://www.soc.org.uk/southampton09/ 3 - consider attending the summer school as a delegate. There will be much of potential interest to OSMers. Chris Osborne, Keir Clarke and Ed Mac Gillavray are already confirmed speakers, as is an OpenLayers workshop. Details at link above, which will be constantly updated as details are firmed up. Cheers STEVE ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] intermittent streams
I cannot find any note in the documentation for intermittent streams. Usually they are marked with a dashed blue line. Has anyone discussed this, or uses a tagging system (I cannot find anything in tag watch). Do we need type= intermittent, perennial , ephemeral, with the default being Perennial http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_stream The same would apply to ditches, and even some rivers. The renders could then pick up on this and render in the usual way. Since I am a mountain biker, intermittent streams become excellent descents in the summer :-) (and some paths become streams in winter) James Dr James Stewart Research centre for Social Sciences Institute for the Study of Science, Technology and Innovation University of Edinburgh t: +44 131 650 6392 skype:jameskstew2 http://homepages.ed.ac.uk/jkstew/ LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesks http://www.issti.ed.ac.uk ***Mobile Phones, Cigarettes for the 21st Century*** The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] intermittent streams
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:57 AM, James Stewart j.k.stew...@ed.ac.uk wrote: I cannot find any note in the documentation for intermittent streams. Usually they are marked with a dashed blue line. Has anyone discussed this, or uses a tagging system (I cannot find anything in tag watch). Do we need type= intermittent, perennial , ephemeral, with the default being Perennial http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_stream The same would apply to ditches, and even some rivers. As part of the NHD import [0] in the US, I've been applying river=intermittent/perennial,etc. when the data is available. [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NHD ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Borders of the federal states of Germany (again)
Hello Jukka, that looks very interesting! Thanks a lot! With a query like: select * from planet_osm_line where boundary is not null and name like 'Schleswig%' LIMIT 100; I get exactly one entry with heaps of data, seems it represents Schleswig- Holstein, a federal state. Seems it needs some refinement, it doesn't seem to work for Bayern or some others. But those seem to be in planet_osm_polygon then. Is there a way to create a ShapeFile from these data? Or something i can import into QGIS? Thanks a lot, Torsten. Am Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 08:15:14 schrieb Jukka Rahkonen: Torsten Mohr tmohr at s.netic.de writes: Hello, this issue is not related to another post that i did here regarding the outline of the world (shoreline_300). I want to create a map of Germany with many details, especially the federal states should have different background colors. I got a hint already for a ShapeFile that contains these data. That file looked great, but the borderlines defined in there are _much_ more coarse than the data in the PostGIS, so creating the background from the rough, coarse data does not look that good. It does not match the borders that are drawn. Is there a way to get the border information from the PostGIS server that runs locally on my machine? Hi, Import osm data into PostGIS with osm2pgsql utility and query borders with SQL query like SELECT * FROM osm_line WHERE admin_level is not null; At least in the Finnish data excerpt the borders are lines. For making coloured areas border lines must first be converted to polygons. Last step is to draw the states with different colours for example by adding a single value theme looking at state name etc. All this can be done with OpenJUMP, QGis, uDig, gvSIG etc. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] shoreline_300, world borders _without_ rectangles
Hello, if you want to see the border of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern matching exactly the Baltic coast, I think you'll have to edit one of the two datasets yourself (cut, remove, copy, union, etc.) Anyway, how much precision do you need? In other words, which scale will the final map have? Or are you going to create some kind of web map viewer? if they differ by -for example- 500 meters it's not good enough for you? regards Juan Lucas De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Torsten Mohr Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 21:59 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] shoreline_300, world borders _without_ rectangles Hello Jukka, the image that i want to create would be the blue marble in the background and the borders of the world drawn on top of that, just as an outline. That way the satellite images would be most of it, but the borders of states would be fine thin white lines. Filling them would overwrite all the satellite image background. Best regards, Torsten. Am Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 08:18:35 schrieb Jukka Rahkonen: Torsten Mohr tmohr at s.netic.de writes: Hello, i'm glad i got the blu marble working nw and can create a map of the whole world with the satellite images of the earth as background. It looks really great. But what would be great if i could also overlay the world / continents / islands / states borders as outline. I can't use the shoreline_300 file as it is split into several polygons and adds heaps of plates to the earth and does not look good. I have not had a look at shoreline_300 but have you tried to draw the polygons with fill but without outline? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Borders of the federal states of Germany (again)
Torsten Mohr tmohr at s.netic.de writes: Hello Jukka, that looks very interesting! Thanks a lot! With a query like: select * from planet_osm_line where boundary is not null and name like 'Schleswig%' LIMIT 100; I get exactly one entry with heaps of data, seems it represents Schleswig- Holstein, a federal state. Seems it needs some refinement, it doesn't seem to work for Bayern or some others. But those seem to be in planet_osm_polygon then. Is there a way to create a ShapeFile from these data? Or something i can import into QGIS? Hi, QGis and OpenJUMP have native PostGIS drivers so there is no need to import data into those but you can do all database queries directly from the user interface. You can also edit the osm2pgsql defaults to import tags which are not imported with standard settins. I believe this could solve also your other problem with shorelines. Add tag natural=coastline in the list of features to be imported and you should have no need to play with the shapefiles any longer. If you still want to create shapefiles from PostGIS, then ogr2ogr, open source alternative for the famous FME program, is your tool, . Only thing that it is missing is a driver for reading osm xml format directly. -Jukka- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia POI import?
Okay, so, I think this thread is wrapping up. I'd like to make a summary of what I've learned: o A substantial number of OSM contributors believe that the Wikipedia lat/lon doesn't meet our standards for fair use of copyrighted works. o Some OSM contributors believe that data imports are inherently suspect, and that the only way to have reliable copyright provenance is to go there and take a GPS waypoint. o There are a variety of opinions about what copyright protects, not all of which are likely to be correct (and note that I include myself in this set). o Some largish number of Wikipedia POIs are already in OSM. o And that if anything, our geodata should be contributed back into Wikipedia rather than the direction I originally proposed. I apologize if I've offended anybody by arguing too hard (specifically RichardF, Rob Reid, and Iván). I *do* believe that some of the copyright assertions made by suppliers of aerial imagery go well beyond anything enforcible in a court of law, but absent a legal opinion in enough legal systems to make everyone comfortable, it's not reasonable to claim fair use for digitizing points. On May 7, 2009, at 3:25 AM, Lars Aronsson wrote: any legal process against OpenStreetMap would put the entire project at risk. No, not innocent infringement for reasons I've explained earlier. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Import of Chicago Bicycle data.
What do you think the best way to respond? Here is the coraspondance I recieved: The data is considered Public Domain. I can send you the Bikeways Data. I have to prepare the data for public use. About Bike Parking Data: It changes on a weekly basis. New records are added, and existing records are modified. Therefore, unless OpenStreetMap has an import API, the data will always be out of date. Another solution is to collaborate on a common file format that I could easily transmit to you/OSM once per month. Can you explain what happens after you receive the data? Steven Vance Chicago Department of Transportation Bicycle Parking Assistant http://www.chicagobikes.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import of Chicago Bicycle data.
As far as I know, we have no system in place for reporting diffs to a data contributor. We also have no system in place for merging in an updated import. If, on the other hand, he wanted to use OSM tools for editing his data, we can output it as a shapefile back to him. It's really just a question of where he wants the canonical data to reside. If I had to guess, I'd say that he would be willing to give us repeated data dumps, but what we do with them is our problem. Just a guess. I may be wrong. On May 7, 2009, at 10:16 PM, Nicholas Vetrovec wrote: What do you think the best way to respond? Here is the coraspondance I recieved: The data is considered Public Domain. I can send you the Bikeways Data. I have to prepare the data for public use. About Bike Parking Data: It changes on a weekly basis. New records are added, and existing records are modified. Therefore, unless OpenStreetMap has an import API, the data will always be out of date. Another solution is to collaborate on a common file format that I could easily transmit to you/OSM once per month. Can you explain what happens after you receive the data? Steven Vance Chicago Department of Transportation Bicycle Parking Assistant http://www.chicagobikes.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-br] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships
-- Forwarded message -- From: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, May 7, 2009 at 02:25 Subject: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships To: t...@openstreetmap.org The OpenStreetMap Foundation is excited to announce a program to cover full travel and accomodations costs for 15 mappers to attend State of the Map. We're seeking nominations from the community for potential mappers. Generally, we are seeking people from places where costs would prohibit attendance, developing countries, and places that are interesting geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are from countries with a small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers in total. They have made a significant start at mapping their city, either through Yahoo imagery or with their own GPS, and are directly familiar with the process of OSM. They may have started communicating among themselves, and made plans and scoped out the process for their local district. But, the community is nowhere near critical mass, and they need the inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level. We need to act fast. State of the Map is just over two months away, tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough time for all the arrangements, the nomination period will be short, one week only, ending next Wednesday, May 13. From the nominations received, we'll review the list and choose 15 mappers to approach with the offer. Depending on their availability to attend, we'll work our way through the list. We only recently secured funding for this program, so the process has to be quick. Please send your nominations to sotm.scholars...@gmail.com. For each nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name, email address, location, and a paragraph or two on why they'd be great to have at SOTM. And also, please forward this message to other relevant local OSM lists. As for regions, here are a few regions that seem to fit the bill, but nominations are not limited to these places at all. * Eastern Europe: the Caucasus, Russia, Bulgaria, Romania. * Arab States: Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt. Egypt is particularly interesting, as the ban on GPS units there was recently lifted. * South Asia: India, Pakistan. While both countries have seen significant activities, relative to size and population they are in the very early stages. * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand. * South America: Colombia, Bolivia, Peru. Promising leads in government for the release of data for use in OSM. * East Africa: Kenya is a hotspot for mapping right now (Ushahidi, AgCommons, MapMaker..) Many thanks to the Open Society Institute for helping make this happen. -Mikel ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Arlindo Saraiva Pereira Jr. Bacharelando em Sistemas de Informação - UNIRIO - uniriotec.br Consultor de Software Livre da UNIRIOTEC Consultoria - uniriotec.com Acadêmico: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.br Profissional: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.com Geral: cont...@arlindopereira.com Tel.: +5521 92504072 Jabber/Google Talk: nig...@nighto.net Skype: nighto_sumomo Chave pública: BD065DEC ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Private Wander/Rad Routen in OSM
ehr guter Tip. Bikemap sieht super aus, fast perfekt. Was neu und gut ist, dass man Strassen anklicken kann, und sie der Route hinzufügen kann. Einen kleinen Schönheitsfehler hat's noch ... Meine in OSM selbstgezeichneten Radwege sind zwar sichtbar in bikemap, aber nicht klickbar .. Siehe z.B. diese Relation : http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/127571 oder den Weg dazu : http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/34030706 Vielleicht muss ich nur andere Tags verwenden Aber ich komme nun mehr zu der Idee, das die Informationen über meine privaten Routen nicht unbedingts in OSM gehören, sondern in eine auf OSM aufbauende Software. (Aber dann könnte man das gleiche für alle Routen argumentieren, die ja im nur eine Sammlung der einfacheren element wie Wege sind) Für mich ist die Grenze in der Realität. Wenn dort eine Route besteht (meist mit Schildern und Infotafeln/karten gekennzeichnet) dann gehört die auch in OSM. Sofern aber die Route deine eigene Erfindung ist und in keinster Weise offiziell ist und von anderen so verwendet wird, gehört sie nicht in OSM. Gruß Jonas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] SOTM-Stipendien fuer Teilnehmer aus Entwicklungslaendern
Hallo, (Mail geht an die talk-de-Liste und an einige Leute direkt, von denen ich weiss, dass sie Kontakte in Entwicklungslaender haben) die OSM Foundation bezahlt 15 Mappern die Anreise und Unterkunft zur State of the Map-Konferenz in Amsterdam. Bis zum Mittwoch, 13.5., koennen an die Adresse sotm.scholars...@gmail.com Vorschlaege geschickt werden, wer in den Genuss eines solchen Sponsorings kommen soll. Gesucht werden Leute aus Laendern, bei denen die Reisekosten es sonst unmoeglich machen wuerden, teilzunehmen, Entwicklungslaendern, oder aus Gegenden, die geopolitisch interessant sind. Besonders interessant sind Kandidaten aus Laendern, in denen die OSM-Community noch sehr klein ist, und die daher dort Pionierarbeit leisten. Jede Nominierung sollte den Namen des Mappers enthalten, den OSM-Benutzernamen, die E-Mail-Adresse, den Ort, und einen oder zwei Absaetze dazu, warum es toll waere, diese Person dabeizuhaben. Fuer die Leser dieser Liste wird das vermutlich nicht in Frage kommen (Westeuropa ist zu reich ;-), aber wenn ihr Kontakte zu Mappern in Afrika, Asien oder Suedamerika habt, koennt ihr die ja mal informieren oder gleich nominieren. Hier das von mir zusammengefasste Originalposting auf talk: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-May/036667.html Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] routing verschiedener garmin-karten
Robert Joop schrieb: jeweils shorter distance, mit den einstellungen bicycle, ohne jegliches avoid. Also ich habe den Eindruck, dass mein Etrex in der Einstellung Fahrrad, Schnellste besser routet (weniger Schlenker) als bei Fahrrad, Kürzeste. ;-) Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] routing verschiedener garmin-karten
On 09-05-07 02:33:35 CEST, Johann H. Addicks wrote: Robert Joop schrieb: - garmin city navigator (ca. vorletzte version): absurd, so würde kein - user:flacus: den ergebnissen würde ich oft sogar folgen wollen. - christoph wagner: macht sehr gern umwege, um mich statt weiter - (nicht auf dem garmin): bbbike zeigt hier das optimum. Hast Du mal die (experimentelle) Computerteddy-Karte probiert oder die das ist lustig: die de_rout_gmapsupp.img.gz (meintest du die?) von computerteddy liefert exakt das gleiche ergebnis wie die von christoph, die gleichen drei schlenker. diese karte ist vermutlich praktischer für endanwender, weil sie sich in den angezeigten features etwas einschränkt. für mich als surveyor ist es aber praktisch, auch die poller, bugs, nonames, fixmes, ... angezeigt zu bekommen. was mir bei der de_rout_gmapsupp.img.gz auffällt, neben der mal wieder ganz anderen farbwahl: die s-bahnhof-aufgänge sind mit dem piktogramm für bushaltestelle markiert? beim recycling-symbol musste ich mehrmals hingucken, bis ich es als grüner punkt identifizieren konnte. da finde ich die drei pfeile besser. ich lass mich von ihr heute mal zur arbeit routen... De_AllInOne? das ist doch die von christoph? rj ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] routing verschiedener garmin-karten
On 09-05-07 09:18:29 CEST, Chris-Hein Lunkhusen wrote: Robert Joop schrieb: jeweils shorter distance, mit den einstellungen bicycle, ohne jegliches avoid. Also ich habe den Eindruck, dass mein Etrex in der Einstellung Fahrrad, Schnellste besser routet (weniger Schlenker) als bei Fahrrad, Kürzeste. ;-) nee, danke! das führt mich auf breiten straßen, ähnlich wie die garmin-karte, d.h. deutlich länger (von weg und zeit), mehr verkehr, mehr ampeln, mehr MIV. rj ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] routing verschiedener garmin-karten
Robert Joop schrieb: De_AllInOne? das ist doch die von christoph? Jo genau, das ist die von mir. Würde mich wirklich brennend interessieren, ob die von dir beschriebenen Probleme in der aktuellen Karte immer noch drin sind. Ich habe sehr viel an den Styles bezüglich routing gebastelt. Die Karte die du getestet hast, war vermutlich eine ältere (hatte n Fehler im Skript), die die ganzen Routingverbesserungen noch nicht enthielt. Der maxspeed wird momentan in der Art ausgewertet, dass er den road_speed der Straße in eine Kategorie von 0 bis 7 einordnet. Welchen Geschwindigkeiten das entspricht steht hier: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgmap/help/style_rules#Element_type_definition Ob das Garmin nun in der Lage ist die Geschwindigkeitskategorie der Straße anzuzeigen ist ne andere Sache. Ich glaube das 60CSx kann das nicht. Grüße Christoph http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:All_in_one_Garmin_Map signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] OSM2PDF? Gibt es so etwas schon?
Hallo Liste Ich bin auf der Suche nach einem Tool, das aus OSM-Daten oder Kacheln eine (mehrseitige) PDF-Datei zum Drucken erzeugt. Gibt es so etwas schon? (Ich meine natürlich in einer Grandma-proof-Version) :D Grund ist, dass ich bereits mehrfach danach gefragt wurde, da kaum jemand einen DIN A0 Drucker zur Verfügung hat und es für viele Zwecke genügt, die Karte als DIN A4 Seiten auszudrucken und dann zu einer großen Karte zusammen zu kleben. Da ich nicht immer den unten genannten Umweg gehen möchte und da möglicherweie für einen IchwilldocheinfachnureineKarteausdrucken-User nicht so schnell ersichtlich ist, was er tun muss, wäre ein soches Programm sehr hilfreich. (Kartenausschnitt auswählen - Wunschgröße auswählen (zB 3x3 Seiten Hochformat) - Auf PDF erstellen klicken - ausdrucken - FERTIG!) Um es vorweg zu nehmen, ich kann so etwas nicht programmieren, werde aber gerne testen, kommentieren und ein Manual schreiben! Also bitte nicht nach dem Motto Machs dir doch alleine auf mir rumhacken. So mache ich es bisher: Notwendige Programme: FireShot Firefox-Plugin: https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/5648 PDF-Creator: http://sector7g.wurzel6.de/pdfcreator/ 1. Kartenausschnitt mit BigMap ( http://openstreetmap.gryph.de/bigmap.cgi?xmin=4097xmax=4100ymin=2696ymax=2698zoom=13baseurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftah.openstreetmap.org%2FTiles%2Ftile) auswählen (auf Form klicken, um die Eingabemaske zu sehen) und anschließend auf hide this klicken. (Seitengröße sollte in etwa der gewünschten Druckgröße entsprechen) 2. Mit dem Firefox-Plugin FireShot die ganze Seite nach Paint (alternativ GIMP) exportieren (Ganze Seite aufnehmen und... ...in externem Editor öffnen) 3. Bild drucken mit PDF-Creator. Fertig! Um eine gute Qualität zu erhalten und die Datei trotzdem nicht zu groß werden zu lassen, habe ich ein wenig mit den Einstellungen im Druckmenü und in den Einstellungen von PDF-Creator gespielt und verwende nun die folgenden: Drucken-(PDF-Creator als Drucker auswählen)-Einstellungen-Papier/Qualität-Erweitert...-Druckqualität-1200dpi Einstellungen in PDF-Creator (können noch geändert werden, wenn der Druck in Auftrag gegeben wurde): Formate-PDF-Allgemein-Auflösung:1200DPI Formate-PDF-Komprimierung-Farbige Bilder-JPEG-Minimum Wenn man nicht gerade vor hat eine 80-Seitige Karte zu erzeugen, geht das mit einem normalen Rechner relativ zügig (Aber auch eine 80seitige Karte funktioniert). Ich bin jedoch davon überzeugt, das 2 zusätzliche Programme und 3 Arbeitsschritte nicht mehr Grandma-Proof sind. Daher würde ich mir eine AIO Lösung wünschen. (Bin mir gerade nicht sicher, ob möglicherweise eine Split-Funktionalität im Export-Tab genügen würde. Die Auswählbarkeit von Auflösung/Zoomlevel/Qualität/Detailgrad/Größe usw. ist da doch meist mit ein wenig Ausprobieren verbunden) Wie ist eure Meinung? Welche Lösungen kennt ihr? MfG Torsten Breda ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM2PDF? Gibt es so etwas schon?
Hallo Torsten, Tool, das aus OSM-Daten eine PDF-Datei zum Drucken erzeugt. Ja, sowas wäre sehr hilfreich! (Wegbeschreibung, Wanderkarte zum mitnehmen, Übersichtskarte, etc.) - Kartenausschnitt auswählen - Wunschgröße auswählen (zB 3x3 Seiten Hochformat) - Auf PDF erstellen klicken - ausdrucken - FERTIG! genau so! Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM2PDF? Gibt es so etwas schon?
Hallo Torsten! Zu diesem Zweck habe ich mal ein Skript geschrieben und Alex (?) hat es fürs Web angepasst und auf seine Homepage gestellt: http://alex.zeitform.de/cgi-bin/map.pl Viel Spaß! Rotbarsch Zitat von Torsten Breda torst...@gmail.com: Hallo Liste Ich bin auf der Suche nach einem Tool, das aus OSM-Daten oder Kacheln eine (mehrseitige) PDF-Datei zum Drucken erzeugt. Gibt es so etwas schon? (Ich meine natürlich in einer Grandma-proof-Version) :D Grund ist, dass ich bereits mehrfach danach gefragt wurde, da kaum jemand einen DIN A0 Drucker zur Verfügung hat und es für viele Zwecke genügt, die Karte als DIN A4 Seiten auszudrucken und dann zu einer großen Karte zusammen zu kleben. Da ich nicht immer den unten genannten Umweg gehen möchte und da möglicherweie für einen IchwilldocheinfachnureineKarteausdrucken-User nicht so schnell ersichtlich ist, was er tun muss, wäre ein soches Programm sehr hilfreich. (Kartenausschnitt auswählen - Wunschgröße auswählen (zB 3x3 Seiten Hochformat) - Auf PDF erstellen klicken - ausdrucken - FERTIG!) Um es vorweg zu nehmen, ich kann so etwas nicht programmieren, werde aber gerne testen, kommentieren und ein Manual schreiben! Also bitte nicht nach dem Motto Machs dir doch alleine auf mir rumhacken. So mache ich es bisher: Notwendige Programme: FireShot Firefox-Plugin: https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/5648 PDF-Creator: http://sector7g.wurzel6.de/pdfcreator/ 1. Kartenausschnitt mit BigMap ( http://openstreetmap.gryph.de/bigmap.cgi?xmin=4097xmax=4100ymin=2696ymax=2698zoom=13baseurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftah.openstreetmap.org%2FTiles%2Ftile) auswählen (auf Form klicken, um die Eingabemaske zu sehen) und anschließend auf hide this klicken. (Seitengröße sollte in etwa der gewünschten Druckgröße entsprechen) 2. Mit dem Firefox-Plugin FireShot die ganze Seite nach Paint (alternativ GIMP) exportieren (Ganze Seite aufnehmen und... ...in externem Editor öffnen) 3. Bild drucken mit PDF-Creator. Fertig! Um eine gute Qualität zu erhalten und die Datei trotzdem nicht zu groß werden zu lassen, habe ich ein wenig mit den Einstellungen im Druckmenü und in den Einstellungen von PDF-Creator gespielt und verwende nun die folgenden: Drucken-(PDF-Creator als Drucker auswählen)-Einstellungen-Papier/Qualität-Erweitert...-Druckqualität-1200dpi Einstellungen in PDF-Creator (können noch geändert werden, wenn der Druck in Auftrag gegeben wurde): Formate-PDF-Allgemein-Auflösung:1200DPI Formate-PDF-Komprimierung-Farbige Bilder-JPEG-Minimum Wenn man nicht gerade vor hat eine 80-Seitige Karte zu erzeugen, geht das mit einem normalen Rechner relativ zügig (Aber auch eine 80seitige Karte funktioniert). Ich bin jedoch davon überzeugt, das 2 zusätzliche Programme und 3 Arbeitsschritte nicht mehr Grandma-Proof sind. Daher würde ich mir eine AIO Lösung wünschen. (Bin mir gerade nicht sicher, ob möglicherweise eine Split-Funktionalität im Export-Tab genügen würde. Die Auswählbarkeit von Auflösung/Zoomlevel/Qualität/Detailgrad/Größe usw. ist da doch meist mit ein wenig Ausprobieren verbunden) Wie ist eure Meinung? Welche Lösungen kennt ihr? MfG Torsten Breda ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM2PDF? Gibt es so etwas schon?
Hallo, Torsten Breda wrote: Da ich nicht immer den unten genannten Umweg gehen möchte und da möglicherweie für einen IchwilldocheinfachnureineKarteausdrucken-User nicht so schnell ersichtlich ist, was er tun muss, wäre ein soches Programm sehr hilfreich. (Kartenausschnitt auswählen - Wunschgröße auswählen (zB 3x3 Seiten Hochformat) - Auf PDF erstellen klicken - ausdrucken - FERTIG!) Wenn du Windows hast, geht das fast genau so mit Kosmos, wobei Du fuer die PDF-Erstellung auch so einen PDF-Druckertreiber nehmen musst. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Private Wander/Rad Routen in OSM
Hallo Jan, habe etwas gebastelt was erforderliche GPX-Dateien autom. zieht und in entsprechenden Karten als Overlay darstellt. Sowas finde ich sehr hilfreich! Damit könnte jeder Bürgermeister seine lokalen Wanderwege auf seine Website bringen, oder der Restaurantbesitzer eine Anfahrtskizze... (müsste halt Bürgermeistertauglich sein) Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM2PDF? Gibt es so etwas schon?
Hi, Torsten Breda schrieb: Ich bin auf der Suche nach einem Tool, das aus OSM-Daten oder Kacheln eine (mehrseitige) PDF-Datei zum Drucken erzeugt. Gibt es so etwas schon? (Ich meine natürlich in einer Grandma-proof-Version) :D Wie ist eure Meinung? Welche Lösungen kennt ihr? wenn du ein großes PNG hast, erstellt dir PosteRazor dein mehrseitiges PDF: http://posterazor.sourceforge.net/index.php?lang=german Grüße Philipp ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wie bezeichne ich das?
Hallo Liste, Ich habe hier eine Hütte im Wald: http://smash-net.org/bilder/2009.04.30_Tracking_1/IMG_1105.JPG Man kann sich nicht unterstellen, nicht Grillen, nicht Campen, die ist einfach nur da ;-). Ich habe das jetzt als Schutzhütte getagt, aber eigentlich ist es das ja nicht, es entspricht jedenfalls nicht der Beschreibung von Schutzhütte. Daher die Frage: Wie bezeichne ich in OSM sowas, bzw als was trage ich das ein? Grüße Norman ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wie bezeichne ich das?
Norman Rieß schrieb: Hallo Liste, Ich habe hier eine Hütte im Wald: http://smash-net.org/bilder/2009.04.30_Tracking_1/IMG_1105.JPG Man kann sich nicht unterstellen, nicht Grillen, nicht Campen, die ist einfach nur da ;-). Ich habe das jetzt als Schutzhütte getagt, aber eigentlich ist es das ja nicht, es entspricht jedenfalls nicht der Beschreibung von Schutzhütte. Daher die Frage: Wie bezeichne ich in OSM sowas, bzw als was trage ich das ein? Schutzhütte würde ich nicht nehmen - besonders wenn man sich nicht mal bei Regen unterstellen kann. Es ist ja einfach nur ein Gebäude, also viellecht einfach building=hut? Gruß, ULFL ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM2PDF? Gibt es so etwas schon?
hi ! auf meiner Userseite (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:L%C3%BCbeck) habe ich auch nochmal etwas zu zusammengestellt. Abschnitt: Ausdrucken (großflächig) Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Micro-SD-Angebot bei ALDI-Sued / OSM-Aktion?
Hallo zusammen! Falls Ihr eine OSM-Aktion bezüglich OSM-Garmin-Karten machen wollt: Bei ALDI-Süd gibt es heute 2 Micro-SD á 2.000.000.000 Byte(*) plus SD-Adapter plus USB-Adapter für zusammen 10 EUR. Aktionsidee: Man könnte ein paar Pakete kaufen und Garmin-OSM-Karten draufspielen und diese dann (wahlweise zum Selbstostenpreis oder mit Gewinn) an interessierte Garmin-Besitzer abgeben, die bisher nur die propietären Karten kennen. Viele Grüße vom Rotbarsch (*) Ich habe die Karten heute getestet: Die versprochenen 2GB passen nicht drauf! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] barrier=bollard
Der Mapper sollte im Einzelfall entscheiden und wenn er meint dass da keine Auto durchgeroutet werden soll, ein Wegstückchen mit motorcar=no taggen. Warum dann nicht an den Poller motorcar=no? Weil die Router aus mir auch nicht bekannten Gründen access-Tags an Nodes nicht auswerten. Vermutlich weil die intern mit Graphen arbeiten und die Nodes lediglich Verbindungen zwischen Kanten sind. *gähn* nicht für den Router mappen... -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dslspecial.gmx.de/freedsl-surfflat/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Kann man auch per Ueberweisung SOTM-Karten kaufen?
Hallo zusammen! Ich habe persönliche Vorbehalte vor Internetbezahlsystemen und würde meine Eintrittskarte gerne per Überweisung kaufen, geht das? Viele Grüße vom Rotbarsch ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] routing verschiedener garmin-karten
Robert Joop schrieb: jeweils shorter distance, mit den einstellungen bicycle, ohne jegliches avoid. Also ich habe den Eindruck, dass mein Etrex in der Einstellung Fahrrad, Schnellste besser routet (weniger Schlenker) als bei Fahrrad, Kürzeste. ;-) nee, danke! das führt mich auf breiten straßen, ähnlich wie die garmin-karte, d.h. deutlich länger (von weg und zeit), mehr verkehr, mehr ampeln, mehr MIV. Naja, ich kapiere den Garmin Algorithmus nicht. Teilweise war die schnellste Strecke kürzer als die kürzeste Strecke, was ja eigentlich nicht sein kann ;-) Was ich damit eigentlich sagen wollte: einfach mal mit den Einstellungen spielen und sich dann für die subjektiv beste Route entscheiden. Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM2PDF? Gibt es so etwas schon?
Am 7. Mai 2009 10:43 schrieb Philipp li...@dodekatex.de: Hi, Torsten Breda schrieb: Ich bin auf der Suche nach einem Tool, das aus OSM-Daten oder Kacheln eine (mehrseitige) PDF-Datei zum Drucken erzeugt. Gibt es so etwas schon? (Ich meine natürlich in einer Grandma-proof-Version) :D Wie ist eure Meinung? Welche Lösungen kennt ihr? wenn du ein großes PNG hast, erstellt dir PosteRazor dein mehrseitiges PDF: http://posterazor.sourceforge.net/index.php?lang=german Danke, das Tool kannte ich noch nicht! Kann ich gebrauchen. Zusatzfrage: Woher nehme ich denn ein großes PNG? Z.B in 5000x5000px? Der Export macht bei ca. 2000px dicht. Gruß Torsten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Worldfile vom 6. Mai 2009
Hallo, die neune Daten liegen wie immer zum Download bereit unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Computerteddy -- Viele Gruesse Computerteddy ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] barrier=bollard
Am 6. Mai 2009 12:59 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Kreuzung einer breiten mit einer schmalen Straße. Mitten drauf ein Poller, so dass man auf der breiten Strasse mit dem Auto dran vorbei kommt, auf der schmalen Straße jedoch nicht. Woher soll der Router das wissen ? Also: Wenn der Poller routing-relevant sein soll, dann muss man ein kleines Wegstück mit motorcar=no markieren Mir schwirrt immer wieder die folgende Stelle im Kopf rum: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.428021lon=11.09642zoom=18layers=B000FTF Real ist das eine Straße bei der an einer Stelle eine Reihe von Pollern quer über die Straße und die Gehsteige läuft. Fahrzeuge kommen nicht durch, Fußgänger haben auf dem Gehsteig kein Problem, Fahrräder können zumindest durchgeschoben werden. In anderen Straßen gibt es ähnliches mit Pflanzkübeln. Keines der Tags die ich kenne scheint mir korrekt und ausrechend. Die momentan von jemandem eingetragene Lösung mutet schon etwas abenteuerlich an. Die Straße wurde auf einem Meter unterbrochen, an der Stelle quer zur Straße einen Way barrier=wall eingezeichnet und highway=footway drumgezeichnet. Das entspricht weder der Realität noch ist es auf den beiden Kartenansichten zu erkennen. Router werden durch diese Lösung aber sicher korrekt arbeiten. Rolf ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] OSM-Daten nur Bundes- und Landesgrenzen
Moin ! ich brauche eine Übersicht der Bundes- und Landesgrenze und möchte das in KOSMOS rendern lassen. Das ganze Deutschlandfile zu importieren wird vermutlich scheitern - hat einer von Euch die Daten schon einmal extrhiert und kann mir diese zur Verfügung stellen. Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] barrier=bollard
Rolf Bode-Meyer schrieb: Also: Wenn der Poller routing-relevant sein soll, dann muss man ein kleines Wegstück mit motorcar=no markieren Mir schwirrt immer wieder die folgende Stelle im Kopf rum: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.428021lon=11.09642zoom=18layers=B000FTF Real ist das eine Straße bei der an einer Stelle eine Reihe von Pollern quer über die Straße und die Gehsteige läuft. Fahrzeuge kommen nicht durch, Fußgänger haben auf dem Gehsteig kein Problem, Fahrräder können zumindest durchgeschoben werden. Die momentan von jemandem eingetragene Lösung mutet schon etwas abenteuerlich an. Die Straße wurde auf einem Meter unterbrochen, an der Stelle quer zur Straße einen Way barrier=wall eingezeichnet und highway=footway drumgezeichnet. Das entspricht weder der Realität noch ist es auf den beiden Kartenansichten zu erkennen. Router werden durch diese Lösung aber sicher korrekt arbeiten. ORS routet nur Pedestrians da durch. Auch diese Stelle würde ich mit meiner oben dargestellen Lösung taggen, wobei man noch als Zusatzinfo die Anzahl der Poller eintragen könnte: barrier=bollard, bollard:count=5 oder so Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM2PDF? Gibt es so etwas schon?
Hallo, Philipp li...@dodekatex.de writes: wenn du ein großes PNG hast, erstellt dir PosteRazor dein mehrseitiges PDF: http://posterazor.sourceforge.net/index.php?lang=german und wenn man eine EPS-Datei haben sollte hilft poster weiter: , man poster |[...] | DESCRIPTION |Poster can be used to create a large poster by building it |from multiple pages and/or printing it on large media. It |expects as input a generic (encapsulated) postscript file, |normally printing on a single page. The output is again a |postscript file, maybe containing multiple pages together |building the poster. The output pages bear cutmarks and have |slightly overlapping images for easier assembling. The input |picture will be scaled to obtain the desired size. |[...] ` Viele Grüße Sebastian Waschik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM2PDF? Gibt es so etwas schon?
Am 7. Mai 2009 10:37 schrieb Rotbarsch r...@gmx-topmail.de: Hallo Torsten! Zu diesem Zweck habe ich mal ein Skript geschrieben und Alex (?) hat es fürs Web angepasst und auf seine Homepage gestellt: http://alex.zeitform.de/cgi-bin/map.pl Viel Spaß! Rotbarsch Nette Sache. Jetzt müsste man nur noch den gewünschten Kartenausschnitt komfortabel einfügen können. (zB als Permalink?) Nicht immer ist das gewünschte Seitenverhältnis 1:1 oder 3:2. Zusätzlich finde ich eine mehrseitige PDF praktischer als mehrere einseitige. Zudem vermeidet man das Risiko, dass die gedruckten Seiten durch Acrobat und co unterschiedlich behandelt werden, sozusagen kaputtoptimiert werden, aber das ist meine persönliche Meinung. Rotbarsch schrieb ergänzend: Übrigens: Wenn wir von einem Wunschkonzert sprechen: Ich wünsche mir auch noch ein zuschaltbares Suchgitter samt automatisch generiertem Straßenverzeichnis... Das währe das Sahnehäubchen. Momentan verkaufen wir aber noch keinen Kuchen, sondern nur Backmischungen. ;) Gruß Torsten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] JOSM: Vorlagen für Relationen
Moin ! ich habe gerade gesehen, dass es in den Vorlagen von JOSM Einträge für Relationen gibt. Ich habe zwei Ways und ein Node z.b. ausgewählt und dann bei der Abbiegerelation Werte eingetragen - aber Vorlage anwenden wird nicht freigegeben. Gleiches bei den Routen. Kann mir einer kurz erläutern wie diese Vorlage ansonsten funktionieren soll - in dem Dialoglink steht nichts zur Anwendung dieser Funktionen. Wären jedenfalls sehr interessant. Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM2PDF? Gibt es so etwas schon?
Am 7. Mai 2009 11:33 schrieb Torsten Breda torst...@gmail.com: Am 7. Mai 2009 10:37 schrieb Rotbarsch r...@gmx-topmail.de: Hallo Torsten! Zu diesem Zweck habe ich mal ein Skript geschrieben und Alex (?) hat es fürs Web angepasst und auf seine Homepage gestellt: http://alex.zeitform.de/cgi-bin/map.pl Viel Spaß! Rotbarsch Nette Sache. [...] Zusätzlich finde ich eine mehrseitige PDF praktischer als mehrere einseitige. Zudem vermeidet man das Risiko, dass die gedruckten Seiten durch Acrobat und co unterschiedlich behandelt werden, sozusagen kaputtoptimiert werden, aber das ist meine persönliche Meinung. Möglicherweise kann man das mit dem PDF-Toolkit lösen. http://www.lagotzki.de/pdftk/index.html#burst_cat PDF Blender kann das auch, scheint aber den Umweg über Ghostscript zu gehen. Wie gut das Ergebnis ist, habe ich noch nicht getestet. http://www.spaceblue.com/products/pdfblender/ [...] Gruß Torsten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Vorlagen für Relationen
On Thu, 7 May 2009, Jan Tappenbeck wrote: ich habe gerade gesehen, dass es in den Vorlagen von JOSM Einträge für Relationen gibt. Ich habe zwei Ways und ein Node z.b. ausgewählt und dann bei der Abbiegerelation Werte eingetragen - aber Vorlage anwenden wird nicht freigegeben. Gleiches bei den Routen. Kann mir einer kurz erläutern wie diese Vorlage ansonsten funktionieren soll - in dem Dialoglink steht nichts zur Anwendung dieser Funktionen. Du musst die Relation selbst erstellen und dann auswählen. Dann klappt die Vorlage. Das bei Auswahl der Elemente automatisch eine Relation erstellt wird ist zwar geplant, aber noch nicht implementiert. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wie bezeichne ich das?
Ulf Lamping wrote: Norman Rieß schrieb: Schutzhütte würde ich nicht nehmen - besonders wenn man sich nicht mal bei Regen unterstellen kann. Es ist ja einfach nur ein Gebäude, also viellecht einfach building=hut? In den AV-Karten in .at sind solche Hütten zumeist mit Jh. [Name] (für Jagdhütte) verzeichnet. Im Wiki kommt hunting_lodge aber auch nur bei einem Importprojekt aus Rostock vor... So zur Orientierung beim Wandern find ich diese Einträge nicht unwichting. LG, Stefan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Diplomarbeit
Ich wurde gefragt, ob ich einen oder zwei pfiffige Diplomanden kenne... Grobe Themen: Aufbau und Betrieb eines eigenen Mapservers - Installation der Server-Dienste (Renderer (Mapnik), Tiles-Server) - Update-Konzept für die OSM-Changesets - Anpassungen der Render-Regeln - Umstellung der bisherigen Karten auf neuen Kartenserver und OpenLayers Ort: Hamburg Bei Interesse bitte bei mir melden. Mit herzlichem Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Garminkarte jetzt mit maxspeed
Hi! Carsten Schwede wrote: Bernd Wurst schrieb: Und? War das Zielgebiet nicht gemapped oder war am Routing an sich was kaputt? Das Routing machte bei einer längeren Route einen Abstecher von der Autobahn runter, und dann etwas später wieder auf die gleiche Autobahn rauf, natürlich war der Weg länger (gesamt ~400km). Eine Route die gleiche Strecke lang, nur eben zu einem Ort der näher liegt passierte das z.B. nicht, also er blieb auf der Autobahn. Liegt also nicht an den Daten, da hatte ich sogar noch die Autobahn in den Daten kontrolliert. Sehr merkwürdig, habe ich so noch nicht gesehen. Kann ich auch nicht recht begreifen, woran das liegen könnte. duckNicht an den Problemen mit den Kachelgrenzen in Deinen Karten, oder? ;-)/duck Wobei ich mich natürlich bei einer zeitkritischen, unbekannten Strecke auch nicht alleinig auf das OSM-Routing verlassen würde. Ja, so verwende ich meins auch die meiste Zeit, aber ich will auch nicht die Karte wechseln müssen wenn ich es dann im Auto nutzen will. Und auch mit dem Fahrrad ist es schon elegant, wenn man sich zu nem POI routen lassen kann. Also im Auto würd ich mit dem Vista nicht routen wollen, da bin ich zu abgelenkt und ich kann offenbar auch nicht so schnell auf dem Bildschirm was erkennen, wenns piept. Hier brauch ich wirklich ne Ansage. Das i3 tut allerdings da schon das was es soll. (Auch mit OSM, aber eben so, dass ich da nicht wirklich in ein unbekanntes Gebiet fahren möchte.) Ich habe hier ein Nüvi 760TFM mit OSM-Karten und war bisher recht zufrieden mit dem Routing. Der einzige klare Fehler, den ich bisher gesehen habe, war, dass keine Ansage kam, als ich meine Bundesstraße (=Vorfahrtsstraße) geradeaus auf eine tertiary verlassen musste. Was ich als noch viel größeres Manko empfinde ist, dass ich noch nicht nach Adressen suchen kann, also wenigstens eine Straße oder so sollte einigermaßen zu finden sein, daher geht das in meinem i3-Navi gar nicht, der will immer zuerst das Land,und das schon ist leer. Geht auch hier immer nur nach POI oder vorher gefundenen Stellen zu routen. Jep, das ist auch das, was mich momentan am meisten stört. Wobei ich annehme, dass Du den Workaround mit --road-name-pois kennst, oder? Damit finde ich, geht das Suchen nach Straßen schon leidlich. Nur nicht so, dass ich es meinem Vater antun würde. -- Gernot ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Diplomarbeit
Hallo Markus, Markus schrieb: Grobe Themen: Aufbau und Betrieb eines eigenen Mapservers - Installation der Server-Dienste (Renderer (Mapnik), Tiles-Server) - Update-Konzept für die OSM-Changesets - Anpassungen der Render-Regeln - Umstellung der bisherigen Karten auf neuen Kartenserver und OpenLayers das ist zum Heulen. Genau das mache ich gerade im Kundenauftrag. Verdammt, ich muss meine Klausuren endlich fertig bekommen. Grüße Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Micro-SD-Angebot bei ALDI-Sued / OSM-Aktion?
Hallo Rotbarsch, Rotbarsch schrieb: Bei ALDI-Süd gibt es heute 2 Micro-SD á 2.000.000.000 Byte(*) plus SD-Adapter plus USB-Adapter für zusammen 10 EUR. hm, das ist aber ziemlich teuer. Für 12 EUR gibt es schon 2x 4 GB als microSDHC (Sandisk). Sandisk's microSD Karten mit 2 GB kosten 1,49 EUR pro Stück, ohne USB-Adapter. Mit Adapter bist Du bei etwa 4 Euro. Da hat es ALDI also mal wieder geschafft Du musst ja immer denken, welche Menge die einkaufen! Grüße Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Petition gegen Zensur
Hallo, auch wenn es nicht direkt mit OSM zu tun hat, sollte jeder sich mal diese Seite anschauen und überlegen, ob er die Petition nicht unterzeichnen will. https://epetitionen.bundestag.de/index.php?action=petition;sa=details;petition=3860 Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Petition gegen Zensur
Hallo Dirk, Dirk Stöcker schrieb: auch wenn es nicht direkt mit OSM zu tun hat, sollte jeder sich mal diese Seite anschauen und überlegen, ob er die Petition nicht unterzeichnen will. https://epetitionen.bundestag.de/index.php?action=petition;sa=details;petition=3860 Danke für den Hinweis - ich kannte die E-Petitionen noch gar nicht. Interessant ist übrigens die Verteilung: Die Top10 aller Petitionen haben zusammen immer noch rund 32.000 Mitzeichnungen weniger, als die Anti-Zensur-Petition. Im Bezug auf Geodaten wurde kein einziger Eintrag gefunden. Grüße Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Garminkarte jetzt mit maxspeed
Hallo, Gernot Hillier schrieb: Sehr merkwürdig, habe ich so noch nicht gesehen. Kann ich auch nicht recht begreifen, woran das liegen könnte. duckNicht an den Problemen mit den Kachelgrenzen in Deinen Karten, oder? ;-)/duck 1. wäre dann auch die längere Strecke betroffen, da es der gleiche Streckenabschnitt war 2. Habe ich schon eine Karte, welche mit splitter.jar geteilt ist auf meiner Wiliseite, und natürlich habe ich diese betrachtet. Ich habe hier ein Nüvi 760TFM mit OSM-Karten und war bisher recht zufrieden mit dem Routing. Der einzige klare Fehler, den ich bisher gesehen habe, war, dass keine Ansage kam, als ich meine Bundesstraße (=Vorfahrtsstraße) geradeaus auf eine tertiary verlassen musste. So habe ich das auch in der Fahrschule gelernt. (Ohne jetzt nochmal die Diskussion aufflammen zu lassen) Ich habe jedoch auch noch ein Navi, welches an solchen Stellen (für mich etwas merkwürdig) weiter geradeaus sagt. Jep, das ist auch das, was mich momentan am meisten stört. Wobei ich annehme, dass Du den Workaround mit --road-name-pois kennst, oder? Damit Auch dieses benutze ich selbstverständlich. Kommandozeile für die Routingkarte: $JAVA -jar $BASE/$MKGMAP --family-id=42 --style-file=$BASE/teddy --road-name-pois --add-pois-to-areas --location-autofill=2 --country-name=Deutschland --country-abbr=DE --gmapsupp --latin1 --net --route $BASE/rout/*.osm.gz $BASE/teddy.TYP finde ich, geht das Suchen nach Straßen schon leidlich. Nur nicht so, dass ich es meinem Vater antun würde. Irgendwie werden immer nur Straßen in der aktuellen Kachel gefunden, so scheint mir. (Nicht meine Kacheln, sondern von splitter.jar erstellte!!!) -- Viele Gruesse Computerteddy ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Micro-SD-Angebot bei ALDI-Sued / OSM-Aktion?
Hallo. Am Donnerstag 07 Mai 2009 11:17:18 schrieb Rotbarsch: Micro-SD á 2.000.000.000 Byte(*) [...] (*) Ich habe die Karten heute getestet: Die versprochenen 2GB passen nicht drauf! 2.000.000.000 Bytes sind 2 GB. 2 GB sind was anderes als 2 GiB. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte#Kapazit.C3.A4tsangaben_bei_Speichermedien Gruß, Bernd -- Und ihr wundert wuch, dass es euch schlecht geht? - Dirk Bach bei der Echo-Verleihung 2004 zur Musikindustrie signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Micro-SD-Angebot bei ALDI-Sued / OSM-Aktion?
On 09-05-07 15:35:19 CEST, Bernd Wurst wrote: Hallo. Am Donnerstag 07 Mai 2009 11:17:18 schrieb Rotbarsch: Micro-SD á 2.000.000.000 Byte(*) [...] (*) Ich habe die Karten heute getestet: Die versprochenen 2GB passen nicht drauf! 2.000.000.000 Bytes sind 2 GB. 2 GB sind was anderes als 2 GiB. es würde mich wundern, wenn nicht sogar deutlich mehr als die versprochenen 2 GB drauf passen, genau gesagt die gut 7% mehr die 2 GiB größer sind. du musst den platz auf der karte halt nur direkt nutzen, ohne partitionstabelle und filesystem (VFAT z.b.), die platz belegen. ;-) rj ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Micro-SD-Angebot bei ALDI-Sued / OSM-Aktion?
Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de wrote: Sandisk's microSD Karten mit 2 GB kosten 1,49 EUR pro Stück, ohne USB-Adapter. Mit Adapter bist Du bei etwa 4 Euro. Hm. 2GB Transcend Micro SD Speicherkarte bei Ebay für einen Euro mit kostenlosem Versand. Das wäre in der Tat mal was für nen OSM Stand auf ner Messe. Aktuelle Garminkarten auf SD-karte für einen Euro das Stück. Sven -- linux is evolution, not intelligent design (Linus Torvalds) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
