[talk-ph] OT: Technical Quick Response Teams (Tech QRTs) on 10 May 2010
*Friends and Colleagues,* The elections are just around the corner. We are hoping for every individual and organization in CPU's network to serve the people by linking up with our efforts to mobilize *Technical Quick Response Teams (Tech QRTs)*. These teams aim to rove around different localities in the Philippines to help poll watchers monitor the expected technical problems and concerns in the automated elections. If you and/or your organization is interested to contribute, please coordinate with the CPU National Office via +632 440 1430 or secretar...@cp-union.com. We will be having a general volunteers' orientation this Sunday at the office starting at 9:00am where everyone is strongly encouraged to attend. You can also coordinate with me through my mobile at +63928 973 3394. We hope for your immediate and kind response. Yours in Service, *Leon Dulce *New Media Coordinator Computer Professionals' Union *Rick Bahague* National Coordinator Computer Professionals' Union ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] New one-ways in Bonifacio Global City starting on May 10
http://www.thedailytribute.com/fort-bonifacio-global-city-and-miting-de-avance-traffic-advisory/ I'm sorely tempted to update OSM right now. Hehehe. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Bacolod is still a big problem
I'm still seeing plenty of new editors and high editing activity in the Bacolod area. One example is this subdivision that was drawn in. The roads match the Google satellite imagery but there is no GPX trace to back it up: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=16lat=10.71804lon=122.96763layers=00B000TF ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-talk-be] Vandaag 4 soorten notentaart in de Franse Aldi
Dag, En ik nam nog een typische blauwersweg. http://www.openstreetmap.org/trace/690261/view Het einde van de rit is de parkeerplaats van de Aldi. (taart 2,5 euro) Als er iemand straten een naam wil geven, ik reed een aantal traces aan de grens van Roesbrugge tot Hondschoote en via Beauvoorde. Ik stopte in een Cafe (Tuur) waar een achterzaal is. Misschien iets voor een dag?? De streek boven de Ijzer is nog leeg... Marc -- What's on Shortwave guide: choose an hour, go! http://shortwave.tk 700+ Radio Stations on SW http://swstations.tk 300+ languages on SW http://radiolanguages.tk ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] tool om foto's te koppelen aan gpx-track
Bestaat er een tool (met linux) om foto's, getrokken tijdens een track, via hun exif-gegevens te koppelen aan een gps-track? De bedoeling is om foto's van straatnamen, herkenningspunten, huisnr's, ... te trekken. Ik heb gehoord van http://www.i-gotu.com/ , maar heb er geen ervaring mee. Het schijnt te werken onder ubuntu https://launchpad.net/igotu2gpx , met minder opties dan onder windows. Hier kan het ook met google-maps: http://www.everytrail.com/ Ik merk dat gpsbabel ook iets kan doen met exif-data ... -- Groeten Lieven Baes aka yanu http://www.ubuntu-be.org/ http://nl.openoffice.org/ http://www.ginsys.be/odf_bestanden_openen_met_microsoft_office ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
Hi, My personal opinion: Let them. I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But see below for details. It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia. It is definitly good that they try to figure out how to map and use OSM in Russia without putting themselves at risk. BUT that shouldn't mean that they get to descide unilaterally in a language most people in OSM don't understand what can be mapped in Russia. If they think it is too risky to map a military area fine. But they have no f*cking right to decide if I want to risk to map that area. If that area exists and the truth on the ground shows that it is a military area then it must be ok to add it to OSM. Why? Otherwise we'll loose all our data in China, North Korea and probably several other countries within month. Do you really want Americans to delete the map of Gunantanamo Bay? Do you want Chinese to delete the border around Taiwan? Really really? People who cannot imagine how it is to have a government that has issues in interpreting freedom of speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech, freedom of conscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_conscience, freedom from fear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_fear and freedom from want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_want should not interfere in this particular topic. It makes me sad that having the luxury of all freedoms, seems to make some people incapable of understanding that this is NOT (yet) a common privilige in other parts of the world.. I totally understand that mapping in Russia (or any other substandard country) can be a huge risk. I totally understand if they don't want to risk their live, freedom or happiness for five nodes in OSM. But that doesn't give them the right to make rules about what can be mapped and what not. Patrick Petschge Kilian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Patrick Petschge o...@petschge.de wrote: It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia. It is definitly good that they try to figure out how to map and use OSM in Russia without putting themselves at risk. BUT that shouldn't mean that they get to descide unilaterally in a language most people in OSM don't understand what can be mapped in Russia. Is there any clear policy for the WIki about such things? Maybe the wiki page could be just changed to a more softer tone, such as that of a suggestion. mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
Great idea. Can someone invited them to submit an application for the SOTM scholarship? == Mikel Maron == +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron http://mapkibera.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti From: SteveC st...@asklater.com To: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Cc: openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 1:24:30 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again maybe we could get some of them to SOTM to explain their thinking? On May 6, 2010, at 3:25 PM, John Smith wrote: On 7 May 2010 07:15, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net wrote: My personal opinion: Let them. It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia. What about when the Chinese and other countries decide they don't like OSM having any data, the problem is it sets a very bad precedent and allows anyone that doesn't like anything mapped from being removed... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
On Fri, 7 May 2010 08:10:06 +0200 (CEST), Patrick Petschge Kilian o...@petschge.de wrote: Hi, My personal opinion: Let them. I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But see below for details. It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia. It is definitly good that they try to figure out how to map and use OSM in Russia without putting themselves at risk. BUT that shouldn't mean that they get to descide unilaterally in a language most people in OSM don't understand what can be mapped in Russia. If they think it is too risky to map a military area fine. But they have no f*cking right to decide if I want to risk to map that area. If that area exists and the truth on the ground shows that it is a military area then it must be ok to add it to OSM. Why? Otherwise we'll loose all our data in China, North Korea and probably several other countries within month. Do you really want Americans to delete the map of Gunantanamo Bay? Do you want Chinese to delete the border around Taiwan? Really really? I agree completely with Patrick on this. OSM is a free map and nobody can forcefully regulate what is added and what is not. Also, removal of correct data is vandalism, so any attempt of any person of institution to remove correct data has to be qualified as such. That being said, it is not unlikely that some form of law exisits that makes it illegal for anyone to make state secrets known to the world. It is not good enough to say it is there, so you can speak/map about it. That's what a secret is all about: you can not talk about it, you can not disclose that information. But if that law is made by the Russian government, they alone can enforce and sanction it. So you can get into problems if you are in Russia and you have mapped items that are considered state secret. Also, the Russian government can ask for extradition of persons that disclose Russian state secrets. Whether or not your government will grant that order is doubtful, but you can expect that traveling to Russia will be a very tricky thing at that point. Bottom line is: you can be in violation of some Russian law if you map Russian state secrets if that law does so exists. Moreover, the Russian government can decide actions against OSM if they feel that there are state secrets on it that they don't want to be known. (replace Russia for a random country if you like) To show that this is not necessarily just a ha-ha law, read http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/12/newsid_2518000/2518385.stm, the case of Dutch and Britsh planespotters that were arrested in 2001 in Greece on charges of making photographs inside a restricted military zone. An offence which can get you 20 years imprisonment in Greece. Granted, this is _photograhing inside a military zone_, and not looking from a public road to a military zone, but the legality of it all depends on the law of the country. IANAL and I have not read all the law articles that the wiki page references, also because it is partly cyrillic and russian. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
On 7 May 2010 17:01, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Granted, this is _photograhing inside a military zone_, and not looking from a public road to a military zone, but the legality of it all depends on the law of the country. No one is encouraging or saying you should map anything if it is against the law, however if we map from sat imagery in a country that isn't Russia you may not be breaking any law since the database isn't hosted in Russia. However your earlier comments were more on topic: I agree completely with Patrick on this. OSM is a free map and nobody can forcefully regulate what is added and what is not. Also, removal of correct data is vandalism, so any attempt of any person of institution to remove correct data has to be qualified as such. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
On Fri, 7 May 2010 17:18:02 +1000, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 May 2010 17:01, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Granted, this is _photograhing inside a military zone_, and not looking from a public road to a military zone, but the legality of it all depends on the law of the country. No one is encouraging or saying you should map anything if it is against the law, however if we map from sat imagery in a country that isn't Russia you may not be breaking any law since the database isn't hosted in Russia. I wouldn't bet on a government saying you were not in our country when you disclosed our state secrets, so you're off the hook. I'm sure that if they find their secrets to be important enough, they will arrest you if you come to that country, even when the actions they find illegal are not committed in their country. But again: it is unlikely they can touch you if you do not come to that country, and it is also unlikely that they can take actions against OSM (other than blocking access, which does not solve their problem much). However your earlier comments were more on topic: I agree completely with Patrick on this. OSM is a free map and nobody can forcefully regulate what is added and what is not. Also, removal of correct data is vandalism, so any attempt of any person of institution to remove correct data has to be qualified as such. Yep. That's my point: any individual mapper should decide for himself what he maps and what not. No other mapper should decide for him what he can or can not map. And IMHO that vote they're taking is therefore void. Or only to be seen as a guideline. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
On 7 May 2010 17:36, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: I wouldn't bet on a government saying you were not in our country when you disclosed our state secrets, so you're off the hook. I'm sure that if they find their secrets to be important enough, they will arrest you if you come to that country, even when the actions they find illegal are not committed in their country. The whole argument is quite silly in any case, anyone with real malintent isn't going to tell a foreign government they're spying on them, and they'll collect or already have a lot more information than any OSM mapper will bother to collect... But again: it is unlikely they can touch you if you do not come to that country, and it is also unlikely that they can take actions against OSM (other than blocking access, which does not solve their problem much). This is up to individuals to decide, there is nothing wrong with pointing out if you wish to visit these regions don't do anything they might arrest you or jail you for, in countries like Thailand you only need to publish books critical of their monarch and you can be arrested if you go there, so publishing guidelines is good, demanding what people can and can't do isn't good. Yep. That's my point: any individual mapper should decide for himself what he maps and what not. No other mapper should decide for him what he can or can not map. And IMHO that vote they're taking is therefore void. Or only to be seen as a guideline. Which is why this is on the talk list, to highlight what is happening in the background that some are trying to sneak through while others are unaware... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
There are no rules in OSM. So my personal opinion is that we do have right to discuss anything we want about our country in out own language and you do not have any f*cking right to call it substandard. Kirill, from Russia. 2010/5/7 Patrick Petschge o...@petschge.de: Hi, My personal opinion: Let them. I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But see below for details. It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia. It is definitly good that they try to figure out how to map and use OSM in Russia without putting themselves at risk. BUT that shouldn't mean that they get to descide unilaterally in a language most people in OSM don't understand what can be mapped in Russia. If they think it is too risky to map a military area fine. But they have no f*cking right to decide if I want to risk to map that area. If that area exists and the truth on the ground shows that it is a military area then it must be ok to add it to OSM. Why? Otherwise we'll loose all our data in China, North Korea and probably several other countries within month. Do you really want Americans to delete the map of Gunantanamo Bay? Do you want Chinese to delete the border around Taiwan? Really really? People who cannot imagine how it is to have a government that has issues in interpreting freedom of speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech, freedom of conscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_conscience, freedom from fear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_fear and freedom from want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_want should not interfere in this particular topic. It makes me sad that having the luxury of all freedoms, seems to make some people incapable of understanding that this is NOT (yet) a common privilige in other parts of the world.. I totally understand that mapping in Russia (or any other substandard country) can be a huge risk. I totally understand if they don't want to risk their live, freedom or happiness for five nodes in OSM. But that doesn't give them the right to make rules about what can be mapped and what not. Patrick Petschge Kilian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
Hi. There is another one abnormal voting: http://tinyurl.com/34r74hz Most interesting part is this: I offer to authorize the Board of OSM Russia to resolve any questions about the OSM data on the territory of Russia, the actions of users and participants of OSM in the territory of Russia, except for the authority to amend this regulation. And they're trying to pass this by voting on wiki using Proposed Features template! 2010/5/6 Patrick Kilian o...@petschge.de: Hi all, judging from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:ВикиПроект_Россия/Голосования/Государственная_тайна (see http://tinyurl.com/2cx9v9h for english version) and http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=6905p=3 (see http://tinyurl.com/327ooaa) the Russian make a second attempt to regulate what can be mapped in Russia... Patrick Petschge Kilian -- Best regards, Upliner ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
On Fri, 7 May 2010 11:56:43 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com wrote: There are no rules in OSM. That is not entirely true. So my personal opinion is that we do have right to discuss anything we want about our country in out own language and you do not have any f*cking right to call it substandard. You can decide what you yourself want to enter into OSM or not. You can not decide for others what they can or can not enter into OSM. You can not decide that it is illegal for others to enter certain information into OSM. You can not decide that it is legal to remove correct information from OSM. Apart from that: keep on mapping! Regards, Maarten Kirill, from Russia. 2010/5/7 Patrick Petschge o...@petschge.de: Hi, My personal opinion: Let them. I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But see below for details. It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia. It is definitly good that they try to figure out how to map and use OSM in Russia without putting themselves at risk. BUT that shouldn't mean that they get to descide unilaterally in a language most people in OSM don't understand what can be mapped in Russia. If they think it is too risky to map a military area fine. But they have no f*cking right to decide if I want to risk to map that area. If that area exists and the truth on the ground shows that it is a military area then it must be ok to add it to OSM. Why? Otherwise we'll loose all our data in China, North Korea and probably several other countries within month. Do you really want Americans to delete the map of Gunantanamo Bay? Do you want Chinese to delete the border around Taiwan? Really really? People who cannot imagine how it is to have a government that has issues in interpreting freedom of speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech, freedom of conscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_conscience, freedom from fear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_fear and freedom from want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_want should not interfere in this particular topic. It makes me sad that having the luxury of all freedoms, seems to make some people incapable of understanding that this is NOT (yet) a common privilige in other parts of the world.. I totally understand that mapping in Russia (or any other substandard country) can be a huge risk. I totally understand if they don't want to risk their live, freedom or happiness for five nodes in OSM. But that doesn't give them the right to make rules about what can be mapped and what not. Patrick Petschge Kilian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
This whole issue is absurd. Such laws is absurd (how secret can be something that can be seen from sat photos? Huh?) and overreaching, and our response to it is absurd. If you don't wanna map it - don't. If you want to warn others about issues with laws - allright, very nice of you, do it. But please don't do anything else. No removals. No cleanups. And especially no votings what others can or can't map. Sometimes you need to be idealistic to get somewhere. Cheers, Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.comwrote: There are no rules in OSM. I would disagree and say there are some rules, in fact a buch of them, at the very least there is Copyright law and the creative commons copyleft which is the basis for our collaboration. you do not have any f*cking right to call it substandard. I would agree with you on that one! mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
El 07/05/2010 10:09, Upliner escribió: Most interesting part is this: I offer to authorize the Board of OSM Russia to resolve any questions [...] The board of OSM Russia? WTF is OSM Russia? If they want to get all legalese on our asses, they might as well set up a chapter and be recognised by the OSMF. Until then, mark my words: Meh. -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
On 7 May 2010 18:14, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: you do not have any f*cking right to call it substandard. I would agree with you on that one! It's easy to misinterpret what non-native english speaking people say, substandard probably isn't what the person had in mind. What if they had said 'subverting' instead of 'substandard'? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
Did I say 'decide'? No. As we have seen from previous discussion in forum and on this list THERE ARE NO RULES ON HOW TO MAP IN OSM. Anyone can map in any way he wants. That's an axiom. Yeh, deleting is vandalism = deleting good data is forbidden. That is the only rule (copyright questions are nothing to do with mapping techniques and with data being mapped). Thus the voting on wiki IS NOT A RULE, it is just discussion. And so - please stop accusing Russians for trying to decide something against the spirit of OSM. R. 2010/5/7 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: On Fri, 7 May 2010 11:56:43 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com wrote: There are no rules in OSM. That is not entirely true. So my personal opinion is that we do have right to discuss anything we want about our country in out own language and you do not have any f*cking right to call it substandard. You can decide what you yourself want to enter into OSM or not. You can not decide for others what they can or can not enter into OSM. You can not decide that it is illegal for others to enter certain information into OSM. You can not decide that it is legal to remove correct information from OSM. Apart from that: keep on mapping! Regards, Maarten Kirill, from Russia. 2010/5/7 Patrick Petschge o...@petschge.de: Hi, My personal opinion: Let them. I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But see below for details. It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia. It is definitly good that they try to figure out how to map and use OSM in Russia without putting themselves at risk. BUT that shouldn't mean that they get to descide unilaterally in a language most people in OSM don't understand what can be mapped in Russia. If they think it is too risky to map a military area fine. But they have no f*cking right to decide if I want to risk to map that area. If that area exists and the truth on the ground shows that it is a military area then it must be ok to add it to OSM. Why? Otherwise we'll loose all our data in China, North Korea and probably several other countries within month. Do you really want Americans to delete the map of Gunantanamo Bay? Do you want Chinese to delete the border around Taiwan? Really really? People who cannot imagine how it is to have a government that has issues in interpreting freedom of speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech, freedom of conscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_conscience, freedom from fear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_fear and freedom from want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_want should not interfere in this particular topic. It makes me sad that having the luxury of all freedoms, seems to make some people incapable of understanding that this is NOT (yet) a common privilige in other parts of the world.. I totally understand that mapping in Russia (or any other substandard country) can be a huge risk. I totally understand if they don't want to risk their live, freedom or happiness for five nodes in OSM. But that doesn't give them the right to make rules about what can be mapped and what not. Patrick Petschge Kilian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
On Fri, 7 May 2010 12:32:28 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com wrote: Did I say 'decide'? No. As we have seen from previous discussion in forum and on this list THERE ARE NO RULES ON HOW TO MAP IN OSM. Anyone can map in any way he wants. That's an axiom. Yeh, deleting is vandalism = deleting good data is forbidden. That is the only rule (copyright questions are nothing to do with mapping techniques and with data being mapped). Thus the voting on wiki IS NOT A RULE, it is just discussion. And so - please stop accusing Russians for trying to decide something against the spirit of OSM. The only reason I can read that page is because of the Google translator. I do not understand the Russian language and have a very limited ability to read cyrillic. So please correct me (and the rest of non-Russian speakers) if Google translates this wrong or if I understand it wrong: The first paragraph is translated as The results of this vote will be used to solve all the subsequent controversy about state secrets in the OSM in Russia. Please read carefully from a list of objects classified as state secrets, to assess the consequences. That does not really say that it is just a discussion and not a rule. If it is just a discussion, then why need a vote for it? The whole feel of the page seems to me to regulate if people are allowed to enter state secrets and if they are allowed to remove them. Especially connected with question 3 and 4, the first paragraph suggests that it would be ok to remove data (if the first option is voted) and that there is some kind of governing body within OSM that approves this. But if you feel that I understand this incorrectly, than I accept that. Regards, Maarten R. 2010/5/7 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: On Fri, 7 May 2010 11:56:43 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com wrote: There are no rules in OSM. That is not entirely true. So my personal opinion is that we do have right to discuss anything we want about our country in out own language and you do not have any f*cking right to call it substandard. You can decide what you yourself want to enter into OSM or not. You can not decide for others what they can or can not enter into OSM. You can not decide that it is illegal for others to enter certain information into OSM. You can not decide that it is legal to remove correct information from OSM. Apart from that: keep on mapping! Regards, Maarten Kirill, from Russia. 2010/5/7 Patrick Petschge o...@petschge.de: Hi, My personal opinion: Let them. I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But see below for details. It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia. It is definitly good that they try to figure out how to map and use OSM in Russia without putting themselves at risk. BUT that shouldn't mean that they get to descide unilaterally in a language most people in OSM don't understand what can be mapped in Russia. If they think it is too risky to map a military area fine. But they have no f*cking right to decide if I want to risk to map that area. If that area exists and the truth on the ground shows that it is a military area then it must be ok to add it to OSM. Why? Otherwise we'll loose all our data in China, North Korea and probably several other countries within month. Do you really want Americans to delete the map of Gunantanamo Bay? Do you want Chinese to delete the border around Taiwan? Really really? People who cannot imagine how it is to have a government that has issues in interpreting freedom of speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech, freedom of conscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_conscience, freedom from fear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_fear and freedom from want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_want should not interfere in this particular topic. It makes me sad that having the luxury of all freedoms, seems to make some people incapable of understanding that this is NOT (yet) a common privilige in other parts of the world.. I totally understand that mapping in Russia (or any other substandard country) can be a huge risk. I totally understand if they don't want to risk their live, freedom or happiness for five nodes in OSM. But that doesn't give them the right to make rules about what can be mapped and what not. Patrick Petschge Kilian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
The Russian OpenStreetMap users have proven that they are capable to bring the issue to the international community when they need to before. This led to a long discussion on the list dominated (again in my opinion) by people having no clue of what it is like to live in Russia. I think, that if they decide to discuss this matter in their language, this will eventually lead to a statement that (I am sure of) they will bring to the international community for final verdict. I can only imagine the frustration when you are trying so hard to do OpenStreetMap in an freedom-unfriendly environment but get torpedoed by others. Because I am convinced that *ALL* the people in the Russian OpenStreetMap community want is to map and use to the highest degree of open that is possible, they mean no harm to the OpenStreetMap openness at all, they are simply trying to cope. And a little more blunt: Don't point fingers at others. I greatly encourage and agree to what SteveC and Mikel Maron suggest; Invite them over. Open the dialog on a face to face level. Patrick Kilian wrote: Hi, My personal opinion: Let them. I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But see below for details. It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia. It is definitly good that they try to figure out how to map and use OSM in Russia without putting themselves at risk. BUT that shouldn't mean that they get to descide unilaterally in a language most people in OSM don't understand what can be mapped in Russia. If they think it is too risky to map a military area fine. But they have no f*cking right to decide if I want to risk to map that area. If that area exists and the truth on the ground shows that it is a military area then it must be ok to add it to OSM. Why? Otherwise we'll loose all our data in China, North Korea and probably several other countries within month. Do you really want Americans to delete the map of Gunantanamo Bay? Do you want Chinese to delete the border around Taiwan? Really really? People who cannot imagine how it is to have a government that has issues in interpreting freedom of speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech, freedom of conscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_conscience, freedom from fear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_fear and freedom from want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_want should not interfere in this particular topic. It makes me sad that having the luxury of all freedoms, seems to make some people incapable of understanding that this is NOT (yet) a common privilige in other parts of the world.. I totally understand that mapping in Russia (or any other substandard country) can be a huge risk. I totally understand if they don't want to risk their live, freedom or happiness for five nodes in OSM. But that doesn't give them the right to make rules about what can be mapped and what not. Patrick Petschge Kilian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
You did understand the text of the voting correctly. But once again: this voting, as ANY OTHER VOTING on osm-wiki HAS NO POWER OF A RULE. Anyone can map anything in any way he likes. No one in OSM can force an osmer to stop mapping or to map in an other way. So this particular voting can ONLY be treated as a discussion, nothing more. K. 2010/5/7 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: On Fri, 7 May 2010 12:32:28 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com wrote: Did I say 'decide'? No. As we have seen from previous discussion in forum and on this list THERE ARE NO RULES ON HOW TO MAP IN OSM. Anyone can map in any way he wants. That's an axiom. Yeh, deleting is vandalism = deleting good data is forbidden. That is the only rule (copyright questions are nothing to do with mapping techniques and with data being mapped). Thus the voting on wiki IS NOT A RULE, it is just discussion. And so - please stop accusing Russians for trying to decide something against the spirit of OSM. The only reason I can read that page is because of the Google translator. I do not understand the Russian language and have a very limited ability to read cyrillic. So please correct me (and the rest of non-Russian speakers) if Google translates this wrong or if I understand it wrong: The first paragraph is translated as The results of this vote will be used to solve all the subsequent controversy about state secrets in the OSM in Russia. Please read carefully from a list of objects classified as state secrets, to assess the consequences. That does not really say that it is just a discussion and not a rule. If it is just a discussion, then why need a vote for it? The whole feel of the page seems to me to regulate if people are allowed to enter state secrets and if they are allowed to remove them. Especially connected with question 3 and 4, the first paragraph suggests that it would be ok to remove data (if the first option is voted) and that there is some kind of governing body within OSM that approves this. But if you feel that I understand this incorrectly, than I accept that. Regards, Maarten R. 2010/5/7 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: On Fri, 7 May 2010 11:56:43 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com wrote: There are no rules in OSM. That is not entirely true. So my personal opinion is that we do have right to discuss anything we want about our country in out own language and you do not have any f*cking right to call it substandard. You can decide what you yourself want to enter into OSM or not. You can not decide for others what they can or can not enter into OSM. You can not decide that it is illegal for others to enter certain information into OSM. You can not decide that it is legal to remove correct information from OSM. Apart from that: keep on mapping! Regards, Maarten Kirill, from Russia. 2010/5/7 Patrick Petschge o...@petschge.de: Hi, My personal opinion: Let them. I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But see below for details. It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia. It is definitly good that they try to figure out how to map and use OSM in Russia without putting themselves at risk. BUT that shouldn't mean that they get to descide unilaterally in a language most people in OSM don't understand what can be mapped in Russia. If they think it is too risky to map a military area fine. But they have no f*cking right to decide if I want to risk to map that area. If that area exists and the truth on the ground shows that it is a military area then it must be ok to add it to OSM. Why? Otherwise we'll loose all our data in China, North Korea and probably several other countries within month. Do you really want Americans to delete the map of Gunantanamo Bay? Do you want Chinese to delete the border around Taiwan? Really really? People who cannot imagine how it is to have a government that has issues in interpreting freedom of speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech, freedom of conscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_conscience, freedom from fear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_fear and freedom from want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_want should not interfere in this particular topic. It makes me sad that having the luxury of all freedoms, seems to make some people incapable of understanding that this is NOT (yet) a common privilige in other parts of the world.. I totally understand that mapping in Russia (or any other substandard country) can be a huge risk. I totally understand if they don't want to risk their live, freedom or happiness for five nodes in OSM. But that doesn't give them the right to make rules about what can be mapped and what not. Patrick Petschge Kilian
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 11:15:02PM +0200, Milo van der Linden wrote: Let them. I am a Russian and Russian resident myself and I would agree with this. Please do not get in too serious untill some real actions are seen. Till that it is just the discussion and flame on wiki and Russian forum unless you dare for some small wiki and forum database space used by such discussions. IMO we have quite clear policy on how to behave with OSM database. If one do not want to map military things that's ok, he won't do it and we just will have blank space that will be filled by other Russian who want to map it. If somebody wants to map military object like industrial, forest or whatever, well, let him map it this way it will be just a mapping error and somebody will than change the tag to milittary correcting this error (pretty the same as with any other mapping errors that we may have). If somebody decides to remove military objects from the database or change their tagging than it is clear vandalism, since the person has intention to remove true infromation out of the map and we should threat and behave here like with any other vandalism on the map. Just make no special meaning for military here. There is no single opinion on this over the Russian community and all this dicsussion does not have any legal background at all. They cannot map state secrets, because I believe neither of them had or have any access to such secrets at all. Far broad problem is that mapping in Russia requires a license, but there are other public mapping project here held by legal companies that are Russian residents. A question of having a good laweyer. But this is completly another topic. -- Anton Martchukov http://www.martchukov.com 0xFC4FBF28 96BC 3DAB 231A 7FCC 4F49 D783 9A69 65C1 FC4F BF28 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
Kirill, Kirill Bestoujev wrote: You did understand the text of the voting correctly. But once again: this voting, as ANY OTHER VOTING on osm-wiki HAS NO POWER OF A RULE. Anyone can map anything in any way he likes. No one in OSM can force an osmer to stop mapping or to map in an other way. So this particular voting can ONLY be treated as a discussion, nothing more. The term often used in English for such a process is a poll. The whole thing raises interesting questions for the principle of subsidiarity which we usually apply in OSM. We tend to trust local people the most. We often disapprove of helicopter mappers who force their style of mapping onto a community they don't even know. On the whole, this works well. This is independent of the local community having set up an OSMF chapter with decision making structures, but if they have such a chapter locally and act in unison then that would be an even stronger indication to let them do their thing. With Russia we now seem to have a case where it is possible that a majority of the local community decides to work differently from the principles that we have grown to cherish, namely letting everyone map what the hell they want. We now have people who not only want to keep certain things out of the map, but even delete these objects where they have been mapped by others. It is even possible that they form an OSMF chapter supporting these actions. If this happens, then we have a clash of two principles. Either we say that the principle of subsidiarity overrides the freedom to tag, allowing the Russians to restrict that freedom in their area because it is, after all, their area; or we say that the freedom to tag is the overriding principle and we will not tolerate any local community to tell us outsiders how they would like to be mapped. For my part, I'll wait and watch as the spectacle unfolds. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
On 7 May 2010 19:36, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If this happens, then we have a clash of two principles. Either we say that the principle of subsidiarity overrides the freedom to tag, allowing the Russians to restrict that freedom in their area because it is, after all, their area; or we say that the freedom to tag is the overriding principle and we will not tolerate any local community to tell us outsiders how they would like to be mapped. The problem is as soon as you start limiting freedom, no matter what the reason, it will only keep expanding to reduce freedom further, until whole countries start disappearing from OSM database... As Anton pointed out, you need a license to map in Russia, so I'm guessing military areas is only a starting point until other companies start enforcing this restriction on OSM and demand that more and more information be removed. I have no problem with people not wanting to map something, but you have to draw the line somewhere, and I think this line has been crossed by this voting proposal... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
John, John Smith wrote: I have no problem with people not wanting to map something, but you have to draw the line somewhere, and I think this line has been crossed by this voting proposal... I share your doubts but then again, to use the same kind of slippery slope argument, if I were to remove all bullshit from our Wiki there'd not be much left. People have the freedom to talk about anything on our Wiki. I'll start to be concerned when they *do* something. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
On 7 May 2010 19:50, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I share your doubts but then again, to use the same kind of slippery slope argument, if I were to remove all bullshit from our Wiki there'd not be much left. Most of the bullshit, as you put it, doesn't purport to be authoritative, which is what has most concerned. People have the freedom to talk about anything on our Wiki. I'll start to be concerned when they *do* something. It seems some are doing, even if on a subtle level so far. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] TMC comprehension questions.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Marcus Wolschon schrieb: 22705 is a part of the B31 while 52863 is a part of B3. No it has to be the other way around. There is definitly a data error. Just have a look at the relations for B3 and B31 or use wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesstraße_3 So we know that each needs to be one tagged on 1-4 of the nodes ot their ways. In this case 2 nodes per way where the exit-ramps enter and where they exist the way. Thus 4 nodes to tag. 4 nodes for each location - means overall 8 nodes for these doubled points ? Thanks colliar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAkvkDVoACgkQalWTFLzqsCtonACfSfMVhPNQs+72JbO52XEa/mfd SwAAnju5Tr1aA/fTdCdkt8A/XKE8EeRr =lJ7q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
* Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com [2010-05-07 13:21 +0400]: You did understand the text of the voting correctly. But once again: this voting, as ANY OTHER VOTING on osm-wiki HAS NO POWER OF A RULE. Anyone can map anything in any way he likes. No one in OSM can force an osmer to stop mapping or to map in an other way. Do the people voting understand that? From the translated text, I get the impression that anyone who votes for it will have the assumption that they are voting to regulate other people's behavior, which could lead to problems later, particularly if someone sees the wiki page that says no military mapping in Russia and then deletes OSM data that looks like military mapping in Russia. -- ...computer contrarian of the first order... / http://aperiodic.net/phil/ PGP: 026A27F2 print: D200 5BDB FC4B B24A 9248 9F7A 4322 2D22 026A 27F2 --- -- I hate mornings. I know they hate me back, too. -- Joel Gluth --- -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Stand op Ubuntu Releaseparty
2010/5/6 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: Ik heb wel interesse om daar het OSM geloof te verkondigen. Maar ik ga niet in m'n eentje, dus wie gaat er mee? Klinkt op zich wel interessant. Ik moet nog even zien of ik dan kan, maar ik denk van wel. Schrijf me voorlopig maar op. -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] More Nearmap imagery
Yet more imagery is becoming available, filling in most of the gap south of Bendigo. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/904578 Nearmap now covers about 1.7% of Australia, pushing the area from just under 49,000km^2 the other day to now almost 57,000km^2. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On Sat, 8 May 2010, John Henderson wrote: There's a very sensible proposal for tagging fords which overcomes the problem of ways tagged as highway=ford not rendering: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ford John H Useful tags layer=* As the road is literally under the waterway, the layer tag should be that of the waterway minus one. would we agree here when the waterway is dry (normal condition to me) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On 08/05/10 07:14, Liz wrote: Useful tags layer=* As the road is literally under the waterway, the layer tag should be that of the waterway minus one. would we agree here when the waterway is dry (normal condition to me) Interesting. Some fords are across permanent waterways, and there're all shades of grey between that and the normal state of most South Australian rivers. The -1 layer tag accurately describes the situation when the ford=yes tag is actually and literally applicable. There may be no special construction of the roadway at a ford - just a warning to expect a wet crossing for a period after some decent rain. So I think the layer tag is OK. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On 08/05/10 10:19, ed...@billiau.net wrote: so the tag needs an icon a design is suggested but it needs drawing out so it can progress through to being rendered anyone can make a set of icons (for different colours of roads)? I was revisiting fords because I noticed an icon already in use for highway=ford when applied to a single node. See: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.549231lon=148.352637zoom=18layers=B000FTF and we could use whatever layer tag is more appropriate as well as note that these may also be described as causeway in Au and shouldn't be confused with causeway Not to mention the difference between a ford and a floodway. Sometimes the distinction isn't clear, and best left to the mapper. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More Nearmap imagery
On 8 May 2010 11:16, Luke Woolley lswool...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. It looks like NearMap was denied air traffic clearance to fly over Puckapunyal. I would have thought flying over it would be a non-issue but it looks like it was one. I'm quite surprised how many military areas they have been allowed to fly over. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On 8 May 2010 07:29, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: The -1 layer tag accurately describes the situation when the ford=yes tag is actually and literally applicable. There may be no special construction of the roadway at a ford - just a warning to expect a wet crossing for a period after some decent rain. So I think the layer tag is OK. In my opinion, since the roadway isn't a tunnel under the waterway, the layer tag should be the same as the waterway. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On 8 May 2010 07:14, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: would we agree here when the waterway is dry (normal condition to me) Depends which side the range you are on, east of it they are often wet. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On 8 May 2010 11:16, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: Not to mention the difference between a ford and a floodway. Sometimes the distinction isn't clear, and best left to the mapper. What is the difference between a ford and a floodway/causeway? I thought they were the same thing. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] old Army Map Service Topographic Maps as WMS ?
Since US Gov data isn't copyright I thought this might interest some as there is some Australian maps... http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/imw/txu-oclc-6654394-sd-sc-52-2nd-ed.jpg http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/imw/txu-oclc-6654394-sd-sc-54-2nd-ed.jpg http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/imw/txu-oclc-6654394-sf-49-50-1st-ed.jpg http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/imw/txu-oclc-6654394-sg-49-50.jpg http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/imw/txu-oclc-6654394-sh-si-52-1st-ed.jpg http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/imw/txu-oclc-6654394-st-57-60.jpg -- Forwarded message -- From: AssetBurned openstreet...@assetburned.de Date: 8 May 2010 06:46 Subject: [OSM-talk] old Army Map Service Topographic Maps as WMS ? To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, in the german mailing list, one of our fellow mapper posted a link to the University of Texas Libraries collection of Army Maps. http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/ He asked if it would be a source, he could use to name places in OSM. So I forward this question and add my own. Can we use it and would it be possible for someone to convert the maps into a WMS format? Even if some of the maps are from the 1940s, it would help to name places in areas where we doesn't have local mapper or limited ressources. cu AssetBurned ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On 8 May 2010 12:37, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On 08/05/10 11:57, John Smith wrote: What is the difference between a ford and a floodway/causeway? I thought they were the same thing. And a floodway to be a section of road that you wouldn't usually need to slow for, but which might be subject to brief flooding after local rain. But you didn't answer the question, what's the difference between a floodway and a ford? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On 8 May 2010 13:03, ed...@billiau.net wrote: Floodways are often in places were you can't even see the creek bed. http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?album_id=23_order=date_off=4151 (Just about the last picture before we broke down Australia Day) Ok, so flood plain or flood prone areas... actually the next two pictures have the depth markers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On 8 May 2010 13:16, ed...@billiau.net wrote: actually the next two pictures have the depth markers The Gwydir Highway east of Moree has a long stretch of road signed as flood plain including depth markers, but I'm still looking on google street view for the signs... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On Sat, 8 May 2010, John Smith wrote: On 8 May 2010 13:16, ed...@billiau.net wrote: actually the next two pictures have the depth markers The Gwydir Highway east of Moree has a long stretch of road signed as flood plain including depth markers, but I'm still looking on google street view for the signs... This sort of thing is very useful to have mapped -- Its name is Public Opinion. It is held in reverence. It settles everything. Some think it is the voice of God. -- Mark Twain ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On Sat, 8 May 2010, John Smith wrote: Now that I'm less confused about terminology being used I think fords and floodways/floodplains should be tagged differently, in the case of fords they can be assumed to be safe to cross when there is water present, floodways/floodplains/floodprone on the other hand can be hazardous when water is crossing the road way and I even wrote a page stub about the latter case: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:flood_prone does it need a photo? -- As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods; they kill us for their sport. -- Shakespeare, King Lear ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On 08/05/10 12:55, John Smith wrote: But you didn't answer the question, what's the difference between a floodway and a ford? This is all off the top of my head, but a ford will generally have flowing water, and a floodway not (or be more slowly flowing). A ford generally crosses a stream bed, whereas a floodway is the roadway part of an area subject to general inundation when floodwaters back up. Both can be much too deep to cross when it's wet. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On 08/05/10 12:43, John Smith wrote: If a causeway/floodway is signed you usually should slow down for them cause they can be nasty little dips you will bottom out in... Most floodway signs don't require slowing unless it's raining. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rendering fords
On 8 May 2010 15:14, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: Most floodway signs don't require slowing unless it's raining. I understood after Liz's photos, I'm used to them being referred as flood plains. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] Scolarship Program 2010
Up! Domingo acaba o prazo para as aplicações. Como não nos organizamos, vamos fazer como no ano passado mesmo? 2010/4/22 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com Eu acredito que eles devem avaliar, pelo suas edições e pelo o que vc dizer no texto, o quanto vc contribui para a comunidade e qual o impacto de suas atividades. 2010/4/22 Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com E quais seriam os critérios de escolha? 2010/4/21 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com Olá Pessoal, No ano passado fizemos aplicação em conjunto porque cada país deveria indicar um representante, mas talvez neste ano já podemos enviar diretamente. O que acham? Vitor A minha opinião sobre 2010/4/19 Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com Bom. Naturalmente eu gostaria de ir de novo :D, foi uma experiência maravilhosa. Acho que a gente pode fazer semelhante ao ano passado; se houverem várias inscrições eu retiro a minha para dar mais chance de outras pessoas participarem. Qualquer coisa deixo meu nome como plano B. :D []s Em 19 de abril de 2010 21:13, Aun Yngve Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.orgescreveu: Tambem quero ir, mas nao tem como este ano. Tem coisas muito mais importante em junho e julho. Talvez eu poder ir ano que vem? brgds Aun Johnsen On 19/04/2010, at 21:03, Bráulio Bezerra da Silva wrote: Bem... eu quero ir! Só pra deixar claro :P 2010/4/19 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com Acho que podemos fazer como no ano passado, juntando as aplicações da comunidade brasileira e enviando de uma só vez. 2010/4/19 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com Pessoal, Se alguem quer tentar o privilegio que eu e o Arlindo tivemos ano passado, as Inscrições para o Scolarship Program estão abertas para o congresso desse ano. Pra mim pessoalmente foi uma experiência única. http://stateofthemap.org/scholarship/ []s ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Scolarship Program 2010
Em 7 de maio de 2010 08:26, Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com escreveu: Domingo acaba o prazo para as aplicações. Como não nos organizamos, vamos fazer como no ano passado mesmo? Como foi feito no ano passado? -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Scolarship Program 2010
Eu não estava aqui, mas juntaram todas as submissões e enviaram de uma só vez. 2010/5/7 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br Em 7 de maio de 2010 08:26, Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com escreveu: Domingo acaba o prazo para as aplicações. Como não nos organizamos, vamos fazer como no ano passado mesmo? Como foi feito no ano passado? -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] FISL 11 - 21 a 24/07 em Porto Alegre
O prazo para inscrição de palestras no FISL se encerra segunda-feira. Arlindo, já que te dispõe, peço que inscreva a palestra, creio que na seção Tópicos Emergentes: http://softwarelivre.org/fisl11 Acho que a palestra é um bom local para nos reunirmos. Como já foi dito, o objetivo é dar visibilidade ao projeto e aumentar o número de membros do projeto. Vitor George escreveu: Oi Mauro, Com certeza o que interessa agora é trazer visibilidade ao projeto. Entra no www.mapaslivres.org http://www.mapaslivres.org que lá tem um vídeo introdutório que fiz. Abraços, Vitor 2010/5/3 Mauro Borowsky mauro...@gmail.com mailto:mauro...@gmail.com Pessoal, Sou de Porto Alegre, se precisarem acho que estarei disponível, não todo o tempo, para ajudar no FISL. Que coisa, estava pensando agora sobre isto e até hoje não sei se tem mais pessoas daqui no OSM, e se tem, quem são? Vou dar minha opinião: se o que o OSM precisa é de pessoas interessadas, precisamos aproveitar o FISL para divulgar, seria interessante ter algum brinde para sorteio ou camisetas para vender, isto é um excelente chamariz, não sei qual é a política do OSM quanto a isto. Também acho que é importante conseguir pessoas nos estados/cidades que entendam muito de OSM e fazer encontros mensais o bimestrais para ensinar como fazer as coisas certas, acho que simplesmente dizer que tem o WIKI para aprender não da muito resultado, as pessoas não vão procurar a informação e também não vão ter a certeza de estar fazendo a coisa correta. O melhor é colocar a Mão na massa e aprender praticando e em grupo já tiraria duvidas comuns. Quem sabe criar vídeos explicativos, não sei se já existe, em português e colocar no Youtube ou outro site Também só estou dando idéias, fazer que é bom neneca de pitibiriba, o meu problema, e creio que de todos, é tempo para se dedicar. Muito do que fiz no OSM foi por tentativa e erro, e de ver como os outros fizeram, e isto acho que não ajuda muito. Bem, só coloquei lenha na fogueira, mas o que queria dizer mesmo é que estou a disposição do que precisarem, o que estiver ao meu alcance, podem contar comigo. Ah!!! só não pesam para eu ficar dia 22/07 no FISL11, é meu aniversário hehehehehe Mauro R J Borowsky. Em 03/05/2010 12:00, talk-br-requ...@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-br-requ...@openstreetmap.org escreveu: Send Talk-br mailing list submissions to talk-br@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-br@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-br-requ...@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-br-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-br-ow...@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-br-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-br digest... Tópicos de Hoje: 1. Re: FISL (Samuel Vale) 2. Re: FISL (Claudomiro Nascimento Junior) 3. Re: FISL (Samuel Vale) 4. Re: FISL (Arlindo Pereira) 5. Re: FISL (Claudomiro Nascimento Junior) 6. Re: FISL (Samuel Vale) 7. Re: Cartão de Visitas (Vitor George) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 11:17:58 -0300 From: Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org mailto:srcv...@minaslivre.org Subject: Re: [Talk-br] FISL To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-br@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 1272896278.3711.74.ca...@paladino.holoscopio.com mailto:1272896278.3711.74.ca...@paladino.holoscopio.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Em Seg, 2010-05-03 às 10:28 -0300, Flavio Bello Fialho escreveu: Estão abertas as inscrições para o 11º Fórum Internacional de Software Livre (FISL). Para quem não conhece, é o maior evento de software livre do mundo (8244 participantes no ano passado) e acontece em Porto Alegre de 21 a 24 de julho. Eu mesmo conheci o OSM numa palestra do FISL. Até dia 9/5, as inscrições são com desconto. Estão abertas também as inscrições para palestras. Acho que seria uma boa oportunidade para divulgar o projeto do OSM, com uma palestra, do tipo: Openstreetmap: Mapas livres ou coisa parecida. Quem se habilita? Ainda diria mais: há espaço para eventos de comunidade. Estive conversando com o Vitor, sobre isso. Se 4 de nós toparem ir ao Fisl, já é interessante fazer isso. Vejam os detalhes aqui: http://softwarelivre.org/fisl11/grupo-de-usuarios É uma boa oportunidade de fazer um encontro nacional do Talk-BR. Mas isso não impede de
Re: [Talk-br] Scolarship Program 2010
No ano passado juntamos porque eles pediram para que a comunidade indicasse uma pessoa, e aí mandamos três indicações e deixamos eles escolherem. Neste ano não vejo motivo para consolidar, a menos que vamos eleger alguns para serem indicados. 2010/5/7 Arlindo Pereira arli...@clavis.com.br Sim, juntamos todas e enviamos de uma só vez. Se quiserem, podemos fazer o mesmo; posso fazer o trampo de agrupar as aplicações. []s Em 7 de maio de 2010 08:32, Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com escreveu: Eu não estava aqui, mas juntaram todas as submissões e enviaram de uma só vez. 2010/5/7 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br Em 7 de maio de 2010 08:26, Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com escreveu: Domingo acaba o prazo para as aplicações. Como não nos organizamos, vamos fazer como no ano passado mesmo? Como foi feito no ano passado? -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Scolarship Program 2010
É verdade. Mandemos diretamente então. []s Em 7 de maio de 2010 23:58, Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com escreveu: No ano passado juntamos porque eles pediram para que a comunidade indicasse uma pessoa, e aí mandamos três indicações e deixamos eles escolherem. Neste ano não vejo motivo para consolidar, a menos que vamos eleger alguns para serem indicados. 2010/5/7 Arlindo Pereira arli...@clavis.com.br Sim, juntamos todas e enviamos de uma só vez. Se quiserem, podemos fazer o mesmo; posso fazer o trampo de agrupar as aplicações. []s Em 7 de maio de 2010 08:32, Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com escreveu: Eu não estava aqui, mas juntaram todas as submissões e enviaram de uma só vez. 2010/5/7 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br Em 7 de maio de 2010 08:26, Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com escreveu: Domingo acaba o prazo para as aplicações. Como não nos organizamos, vamos fazer como no ano passado mesmo? Como foi feito no ano passado? -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] ausdrucken von wanderkarten - kennt jemand etwas
Am 07.05.10 01:23, schrieb Dimitri Junker: Hallo, 0.529172079135 0 0 -0.529172079135 3364565.2269567545 5711006.0565386163 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_file Verstehe ich ehrlich gesagt nicht. Bei dem Bsp von Wikipedia stehen in Zeilen 5 und 6 die Koordinaten in Grad, bei Deinem sind die Werte dafür deutlich zu groß. Auf der englischen Version der Wikipedia stehen da Meter nicht Grad. Ja, kommt drauf an, für welche Projektion man das Worldfile erstellt. Deine bisherigen Dateien sind alle auf Programme zugeschnitten, die genau eine unterstützen. Im richtigen GIS gibt es hunderte, die man durch EPSG-codes unterscheidet. Die OSM-Tiles werden aber nur mit WGS84 Mercator EPSG 3395 richtig angezeigt. Für alle anderen Projektionen müssten sie gedreht oder verzerrt werden. Kann man mit Gimp machen, sieht aber furchtbar aus. Die großen Zahlen oben sind Gauß-Krüger-Koordianten, war nur ein prinzipielles Beispiel für ein Worldfile. Das Worldfile ist dann aber nicht nur in Quantum GIS nutzbar, sondern in allen GIS-Programmen, die EPSG-konforme Projektionen anbieten. Dann kanst du im gleichen Bild auch die shapefiles der geofabrik, GPX-Tracks und beliebige WMS-Dienste einblenden. Auch alles was ich sonst gegoogelt habe hat mich mehr verwirrt als Klarheit geschafft. Also ich habe eine Karte mit oben Links lat1,lon1 und unten rechts lat2,lon2. Wie berechnet sich dann das World File? Und habe ich es richtig verstanden, daß das Worldfile zu einem png die Endung pgw erhält? Dazu bekommst du im Laufe des Tages noch Post. Die Endung kann auch .wld sei. Gruß, André Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM Stadt/Land: Schere schließen , Alleinstellungsmerkmal
Hallo Uli. Am Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 23:59:30 schrieb Ulrich Grothaus: Zusammengefasst: Meine zwei persönlichen Strategien für eine Positionierung von OSM sind (1) mehr Ressource von Stadt auf Land (2) Ausbau eines Alleinstellungsmerkmals in Form von nicht asphaltierten Navi-Wegen in der Natur. Das als Denkanstoß von jemanden der erst kurz dabei ist. Als Communityprojekt ohne echte Entscheidungsstruktur kann es auch nicht mehr sein... Hey, willkommen bei OSM. :) Du hast in diesem Artikel die beiden Themen angesprochen, die fast jedem Neuling in den Sinn kommen. Allerdings verläuft die Dikussion immer (seit Jahren) gleich: OSM sollte mehr auf dem Land machen = Nein, denn bei OSM trägt jeder das ein, was einem wichtig ist. Niemand bekommt dafür Geld, niemand unterliegt einem Arbeitsvertrag und niemand fährt mit dem Auto eine lange Strecke ins Nichts nur um dort zu mappen. Bei OSM wird das gemapped, was den Leuten wichtig ist. Die meisten Mapper werden bei einem Ausflug oder einer längeren Fahrt vorher mal schauen ob sich ohne wesentlichen Umweg noch etwas mitnehmen lässt. Aber die ländlichen Gebiete liegen meist nicht so, dass das möglich ist. Sonst wären es keine ländlichen Gebiete. OSM braucht eine Entscheidungsstruktur = OSM braucht keine feste Entscheidungsstruktur. OSM ist zwar ein Haufen Chaos, aber aus dem Chaos entstehen nützliche, vorher nicht vorstellbare, geniale Werke die der Qualität von anderen Daten (je nach Region) nicht nachstehen. OSM hat eine Entscheidungsstruktur: Die Macher, die aus den Daten irgendwas erzeugen. Wenn der eine sagt: Hundekottütenspender werden so und so getagged und ich mache daraus eine coole Hundekottütenspenderübersichtskarte, dann bin ich sicher, dass allen Hundekottütenspendermappern klar ist, wie man Hundekottütenspender künftig einträgt. Kleine Missverständnisse und auch mittelmäßige Meinungsverschiedenheiten sind zwar an der Tagesordnung, aber der Qualität des Gesamtprojekts schadet das nicht. OSM entwickelt sich prächtig. Dennoch: Herzlich willkommen bei OSM. Trage auch du das ein, was dir wichtig ist und halte du dich an die Empfehlungen, die du für sinnvoll erachtest. Gruß, Bernd -- Ein Experte ist ein Mann, der hinterher genau sagen kann, warum seine Prognose nicht gestimmt hat. - Winston Churchill (brit. Politiker) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Werbe-Sticker?
Hallo, Philip Gillißen wrote: Aber was wäre zum Beispiel mit Werbestickern für OSM? Z.B.: Diese Stadt wird aktiv in OpenStreetMap, der freien Weltkarte im Internet, gemappt. Ich kenne mich mit dieser modernen Technik nicht so aus ;-) aber heutzutage hat man doch immer diese QR-Codes, die die Leute mit ihrem iPhone usw. abfotografieren, und dann kommen sie auf einen bestimmten URL. Koennte man nicht damit was machen - ein Aufkleber, der einen direkt zur Web-Karte fuer den richtigen Bereich fuehrt? Als naechstes richte ich mir dann im Auto einen kleinen Drucker ein (so einen Fotodrucker vielleicht), fahre rum mit GPS an, und drucke vom Laptop aus automatisch solche Aufkleber fuer den aktuellen Standort. Dann kann man das an jedem Parkplatz und jeder Bushaltestelle (dort Link zur OePNV-Karte?) verteilen. Nachteile: 1. Man stellt sich in eine Ecke mit anderen Aktivisten, die die Welt mit Aufklebern zukleben - Anti-Nazi, Anti-Auslaender, Anti-Kapitalismus und coole Bands, die fuer ihre Facebook-Seite werben. 2. Die Leute, die QR-Codes verarbeiten koennen, kennen OSM eh schon; wir muessten ja eher probieren, Leute abseits der Techno-Elite zu finden. 3. Wer ein iPhone hat, weiss auch ohne QR-Code, wo er ist. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM Stadt/Land: Schere schließen , Alleinstellungsmerkmal
Am 07.05.2010 08:52, schrieb Bernd Wurst: Hallo Uli. Am Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 23:59:30 schrieb Ulrich Grothaus: Zusammengefasst: Meine zwei persönlichen Strategien für eine Positionierung von OSM sind (1) mehr Ressource von Stadt auf Land (2) Ausbau eines Alleinstellungsmerkmals in Form von nicht asphaltierten Navi-Wegen in der Natur. Das als Denkanstoß von jemanden der erst kurz dabei ist. Als Communityprojekt ohne echte Entscheidungsstruktur kann es auch nicht mehr sein... Hey, willkommen bei OSM. :) Du hast in diesem Artikel die beiden Themen angesprochen, die fast jedem Neuling in den Sinn kommen. Allerdings verläuft die Dikussion immer (seit Jahren) gleich: OSM sollte mehr auf dem Land machen = Nein, denn bei OSM trägt jeder das ein, was einem wichtig ist. Niemand bekommt dafür Geld, niemand unterliegt einem Arbeitsvertrag und niemand fährt mit dem Auto eine lange Strecke ins Nichts nur um dort zu mappen. Bei OSM wird das gemapped, was den Leuten wichtig ist. Die meisten Mapper werden bei einem Ausflug oder einer längeren Fahrt vorher mal schauen ob sich ohne wesentlichen Umweg noch etwas mitnehmen lässt. Aber die ländlichen Gebiete liegen meist nicht so, dass das möglich ist. Sonst wären es keine ländlichen Gebiete. OSM braucht eine Entscheidungsstruktur = OSM braucht keine feste Entscheidungsstruktur. OSM ist zwar ein Haufen Chaos, aber aus dem Chaos entstehen nützliche, vorher nicht vorstellbare, geniale Werke die der Qualität von anderen Daten (je nach Region) nicht nachstehen. OSM hat eine Entscheidungsstruktur: Die Macher, die aus den Daten irgendwas erzeugen. Wenn der eine sagt: Hundekottütenspender werden so und so getagged und ich mache daraus eine coole Hundekottütenspenderübersichtskarte, dann bin ich sicher, dass allen Hundekottütenspendermappern klar ist, wie man Hundekottütenspender künftig einträgt. Kleine Missverständnisse und auch mittelmäßige Meinungsverschiedenheiten sind zwar an der Tagesordnung, aber der Qualität des Gesamtprojekts schadet das nicht. OSM entwickelt sich prächtig. Dennoch: Herzlich willkommen bei OSM. Trage auch du das ein, was dir wichtig ist und halte du dich an die Empfehlungen, die du für sinnvoll erachtest. Gruß, Bernd ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de Hi ! auch wenn mich die Hundekottütenspender immer sehr interessieren möchte ich noch etwas vom gestrigen Stammtisch in Lübeck einbringen. Da haben wir über den Weg der Proposed feature gesprochen und das oftmals diese angeschoben werden - dann sich aber nur wenige oder keine dazu äußern. Die Praxis zeigt dann aber das es ganz anders geht - das Beispiel war der Relationstype SITE [1]. Auf der Seite tut sich gar nichts - aber in der Praxis zig-tausendfach eingesetzt. Gruß Jan :-) [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Site ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Werbe-Sticker?
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: 2. Die Leute, die QR-Codes verarbeiten koennen, kennen OSM eh schon; wir muessten ja eher probieren, Leute abseits der Techno-Elite zu finden. Ich behaupte ja dass wir bei den Wandervereinen ein riesiges ungenutztes Potenzial haben. Viele Pensionäre mit Zeit und durchaus teilweise technikaffin. Bei uns im lokalen Stammtisch gibts da ja schon mindestens zwei davon. Gruss Sven -- If you continue running Windows, your system may become unstable. (Windows 95 BSOD) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM Stadt/Land: Schere schließen , A lleinstellungsmerkmal
Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net wrote: Die Praxis zeigt dann aber das es ganz anders geht - das Beispiel war der Relationstype SITE [1]. Auf der Seite tut sich gar nichts - aber in der Praxis zig-tausendfach eingesetzt. So funktioniert das halt auch faktisch schon immer. Neue Tags setzen sich durch benutzen durch und ganz wichtig, wenn sie irgendwo dargestellt werden nicht durch Abstimmungen oder sowas. Sven -- Thinking of using NT for your critical apps? Isn't there enough suffering in the world? (Advertisement of Sun Microsystems in Wall Street Journal) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Müssen Gebiete verbunden sein? la nduse=residential mit name-Tag?
Am 06.05.2010 17:23, schrieb Manuel Reimer: in unserer Gegend war ein Gebiet noch nicht als landuse=residential markiert, was ich zumindest mal grob vorbereitet habe. An einigen Stellen fehlen mir noch Häuser für eine genaue Angabe. Hi, die Angabe eines PermaLinks wird immer gerne gesehen. Allerdings läuft mein Gebiet nun um ein Gewerbegebiet, welches schon markiert ist, rum. Kann ich mein Gebiet einfach um das Gewerbegebiet herumplatzieren oder müssen die Punkte auf dem Gewerbegebiet liegen? Geschmacksache, nur sollten sich die Flächen nicht überlappen, also jeder Punkt gehört entweder zum residential oder zum industrial. Ist es eigentlich üblich bei landuse=residential für das Wohngebiet eines Dorfes auch ein name=Dorfname zu vergeben? Verboten ist das nicht, ich persönlich vergebe den Namen nur, wenn das Wohngebiet einen eigenen Namen hat. Chris Hallo, Weil mich diese doppelten Namen auf der Karte auch stören schreibe ich den Namen des Ortes in einem note tag zum landuse tag dazu. Dann sieht man es beim editieren, es wird aber nicht gerendert. Gruss Loth ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Relationen unvollständig laden reicht ? (war: JOSM zeigt beteiligte Relationen nicht an)
Am 07.05.2010 00:31, Tirkon: Dazu noch eine Zusatzfrage: Leider braucht man in Ostfriesland als Außengrenze die Recourcen-fressenden niedersächsischen, bundesdeutschen und niederländischen Relationen im Boot. Reicht es, wenn diese unvollständig, nämlich nur im bearbeiten Bereich geladen sind? Ja, es reicht Relationen unvollständig geladen zu haben. Man muss nicht eine Relation vollständig laden, um deren Mitglieder verändern, oder Mitglieder hinzufügen/entfernen zu können. Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen unvollständig laden reicht ? (war: JOSM zeigt beteiligte Relationen nicht an)
Am 07.05.10 10:07, schrieb Claudius: Am 07.05.2010 00:31, Tirkon: Dazu noch eine Zusatzfrage: Leider braucht man in Ostfriesland als Außengrenze die Recourcen-fressenden niedersächsischen, bundesdeutschen und niederländischen Relationen im Boot. Reicht es, wenn diese unvollständig, nämlich nur im bearbeiten Bereich geladen sind? Ja, es reicht Relationen unvollständig geladen zu haben. Man muss nicht eine Relation vollständig laden, um deren Mitglieder verändern, oder Mitglieder hinzufügen/entfernen zu können. Man bekommt dann natürlich nicht mehr im Relationseditor grafisch angezeigt, ob/dass die Relation in sich geschlossen ist. Gruß, André Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM Stadt/Land: Schere schließen , Alleinstellungsmerkmal
Hallo, Am Freitag 07 Mai 2010 03:46:00 schrieb Rainer Knaepper: Trotzdem ist es manchmal etwas frustrierend, wenn man in manchen Gegenden quasi ganz alleine unterwegs ist. Und wenn man nachher feststellt, daß man ein paar Abzweige übersehen oder Straßennamen nicht notiert hat und auch nach Monaten niemand vor Ort was daran korrigiert hat - nun, die Motivation, dann nochmal 50km dorthin zu gurken, nur um ein paar Kleinigkeiten nachtragen zu können, ist dann auch nicht s groß. Da schaut man tatsächlich etwas neidvoll auf städtische Regionen und fragt sich, warum das Gefälle so groß sein muß. Das geht mir manchmal genau anders herum. Ich finde es viel spannender, dort zu mappen, wo noch nichts ist, und man eine Linie in eine leere Karte malt. Leider sind diese Gegenden rar geworden. Über Kleinigkeiten, die fehlen, darf man sich keine Gedanken machen. Die kommen schon noch. Im Übrigen kann man ja auch einfach mal einen Ausflug am WE mit der Familie nach KaumGemapptDorf machen, sich einfach mal die Gegend ansehen. Irgendwo wird schon eine interessante Kirche oder so ähnliches stehen. Die Kinder finden einen neuen Spielplatz, die Frau einen neuen Schuhladen und schon ist eine weitere Lücke kleiner geworden. Gruß, Wolfgang ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Nutzt Google (auch) die Daten von OSM?
Am 07.05.2010 07:46, Karl Eichwalder: Rainer Knaepperrain...@smial.prima.de writes: Hab jetzt aber mal einen kleinen Schreibfehler eingebaut - schaunmermal :-) Ich hoffe, dass das jeder machen wird. Dann werden wir bald eine ganz tolle karte haben. Somit hätte Teleatlas ihr Ziel mit dieser Aktion erfüllt. Man ist unser Verhalten vorhersehbar. Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Nutzt Google (auch) die Daten von OSM?
Hallo, Rainer Knaepper wrote: Hab jetzt aber mal einen kleinen Schreibfehler eingebaut - schaunmermal :-) Das sollten wir nicht tun, auch wenn es nur ganz kleine unbedeutende Fehler sind. Ich zumindest stelle mich auf meinen Vortraegen ueber OSM immer stolz hin und sage: Ihr glaubt, dass offizielle/gekaufte Daten fehlerfrei sind? Keineswegs, die bauen sogar wissentlich Fehler ein. Als freies und offenes Projekt sollten wir uns nicht auf dieses Niveau absichtlicher Datenverfaelschung herablassen. Ich weiss, es gibt in unseren Reihen ein paar Leute, die es den kommerziellen am liebsten insofern gleich tun wuerden, als dass sie gern eine 10 Mann starke Rechtsabteilung haetten, die jeden gleich verklagt, der sich nicht minutioes an unsere Lizenz haelt. Aber eigentlich ist das nicht das, worauf es bei uns ankommt. Wenn alle Leute die Teleatlas-Daten kopieren, statt sie zu kaufen, geht die Firma pleite. Aber wenn jemand unsere Daten kopiert - kann uns doch egal sein. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Werbe-Sticker?
Am Freitag 07 Mai 2010 08:57:05 schrieb Frederik Ramm: mit ihrem iPhone usw. abfotografieren, und dann kommen sie auf einen bestimmten URL. Ich glaube da wo OSM noch *richtig* viel fehlt, klappt das mit dem URL- aufrufen nicht weil beschissene Netzqualität/-abdeckung. :) Gruß, Bernd -- Erst hat man kein Glück, und dann kommt auch noch Pech dazu... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Häuser einzeichnen?
Hallo, für unser Dorf hat irgendjemand schon einige Häuser eingezeichnet. Ich würde das jetzt ganz gerne vervollständigen. Wie aber stelle ich das an? Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Häuser einzeichnen?
Manuel Reimer schrieb: Wie aber stelle ich das an? Dazu beötigst du Luftbilder, die für das abzeichnen durch OSM freigegeben sind: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vertical_Aerial_Photographs http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Yahoo!_Aerial_Imagery http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Kommunikation/AEROWEST http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Aktionen/Luftbilder uvm. Lg, Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Nutzt Google (auch) die Daten von OSM?
Am 07.05.10 11:01, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Aber wenn jemand unsere Daten kopiert - kann uns doch egal sein. Nicht, wenn Teleatlas dann irgendwann *uns* verklagt, weil wir angeblich *deren* Daten abgekupfert haben. Gruß, André Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Nutzt Google (auch) die Daten von OSM?
Hallo, Andre Joost wrote: Aber wenn jemand unsere Daten kopiert - kann uns doch egal sein. Nicht, wenn Teleatlas dann irgendwann *uns* verklagt, weil wir angeblich *deren* Daten abgekupfert haben. Dagegen hilft nun wieder ein Easter Egg gar nicht. Wenn wir einen Schreibfehler bei uns einbauen und Teleatlas den kopiert, koennen sie immernoch behaupten, *wir* haetten *deren* Fehler kopiert. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Nutzt Google (auch) die Daten von OSM?
Am 07.05.10 11:39, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Andre Joost wrote: Aber wenn jemand unsere Daten kopiert - kann uns doch egal sein. Nicht, wenn Teleatlas dann irgendwann *uns* verklagt, weil wir angeblich *deren* Daten abgekupfert haben. Dagegen hilft nun wieder ein Easter Egg gar nicht. Wenn wir einen Schreibfehler bei uns einbauen und Teleatlas den kopiert, koennen sie immernoch behaupten, *wir* haetten *deren* Fehler kopiert. Nicht, wenn man es in einer mailingliste vorab ankündigt ;-) Gruß, André Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wie einzeichnen treppen die zwei areas verbinden
hallo, Beispiel gerade ist eine Platform von der in der mitte eine Treppe auf eine Bruecke fuehrt. Die Treppe ist somit nur am oberen ende verbunden auf dem Bahnsteig endet sie in einer Flaeche. Was macht man mit diesem losem ende? Die Platforms sind als area eingetragen da sie unsymetrische sind. Zur Zeit ist es so das Mapnik Treppen kennt aber keine Platform-areas Osmarender hingegen Platforms darstellt aber keine treppen zeigt. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Widemann System Hamburg - Stadtgrenze Schleswig / Schlei
Hi ! habe gerade die Stadtgrenze [3] von Schleswig hochgeladen und in einem Abschnitt (Node [1] bis [2]) verläuft diese am Schleiufer. Das Ufer ist als Relation vom Type NATURAL angelegt. Kann ich das jetzt einfach aufbrechen um den Abschnitt des Ways auch in die Grenze einzubinden. Wenn ich das mache verschwindet in meinem JOSM die Flächendarstellung. Ist das ein JOSM-Problem oder eines der Relation ??? Vorerst habe ich die Grenze parallel zum Ufer eingezeichnet. Gruß Jan :-) [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/21931072 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/22012592 [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/58492467 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM Stadt/Land: Schere schließen, Alleinstellungsmerkmal
Ulrich Grothaus schrieb: Was mir fehlt ist eine homogene Weiterentwicklungsstrategie. osm ist seit jahren ein ungeplantes chaos, auch du wirst das nicht ändern... Klar, da wohnt eben niemand, der OSM aktiv unterstützt. aus diesem grund sind z.B. 3 der letzten 4 münchner mapping-paries von münchen hinaus gegeangen, teilweise auf das flache land um dort die lücken zu füllen, sozusagen mapping-expeditionen. grüsse, michael.. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Widemann System Hamburg - Stadtgrenze Schleswig / Schlei
Am 07.05.2010 12:42, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Hi ! habe gerade die Stadtgrenze [3] von Schleswig hochgeladen und in einem Abschnitt (Node [1] bis [2]) verläuft diese am Schleiufer. Das Ufer ist als Relation vom Type NATURAL angelegt. Kann ich das jetzt einfach aufbrechen um den Abschnitt des Ways auch in die Grenze einzubinden. Wenn ich das mache verschwindet in meinem JOSM die Flächendarstellung. Ist das ein JOSM-Problem oder eines der Relation ??? Vorerst habe ich die Grenze parallel zum Ufer eingezeichnet. Gruß Jan :-) [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/21931072 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/22012592 [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/58492467 Moin ! und gestern abend haben wir noch auf dem Stammtisch über diese nervige Eigenwerbung gesprochen. Es ist wieder einmal passiert ! Ich bitte daher wieder einmal um Entschuldigung - war keine Absicht ! Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Hoffentlich künftig keine Werbung meh r
Hi ! um Euch Kommentare zu ersparen - ich habe nochmal wieder gesucht nach dieser versteckten Werbung und ich habe vermutlich die Fehlerquelle gefunden. Ich verwende in Thunderbird ein Tool für Textbausteine und es gibt dort einen Baustein nur mit der hinreichend bekannten Firmenbezeichnung. Vermutlich habe ich diesen irgendwie versehentlich manchmal ausgelöst. Habe ich jetzt GELÖSCHT Vielleicht hat es geholfen - ich hoffe ! Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationsbündel in JOSM herunterladen
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 12:59:48AM +0200, Tirkon wrote: Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: Also ich mache das anders - Einfach im JOSM eine kleines stueck der Grenze downloaden - Es reicht ein einziger node - Damit bekommt man den weg - Dann die relation aufmachen und die childs downloaden. Damit hat man die gesamte relation bzw ganze grenze auf einmal drin ohne den restlichen ramsch. Meinst Du mit childs die Members der Relation? Ich meinte - Relation Editor auf - Child Relations - Download all Children. Aber einfach in der relationsliste rechts mit rechtsklick Download all members ist natuerlich noch einfacher. Wieder was gelernt ... Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de Es ist ein grobes Missverständnis und eine Fehlwahrnehmung, dem Staat im Internet Zensur- und Überwachungsabsichten zu unterstellen. - - Bundesminister Dr. Wolfgang Schäuble -- 10. Juli in Berlin signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Häuser einzeichnen?
Peter Körner wrote: Dazu beötigst du Luftbilder, die für das abzeichnen durch OSM freigegeben sind: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vertical_Aerial_Photographs http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Yahoo!_Aerial_Imagery http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Kommunikation/AEROWEST http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Aktionen/Luftbilder uvm. Und wenn es die für unser Gebiet nicht gibt? Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Widemann System Hamburg - Stadtgrenze Schleswig / Schlei
Am Freitag 07 Mai 2010 12:57:11 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Moin ! Hallo Jan, und gestern abend haben wir noch auf dem Stammtisch über diese nervige Eigenwerbung gesprochen. Es ist wieder einmal passiert ! Bitte wovon redest Du da? Welche Eigenwerbung? MfG, Chris.. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Nutzt Google (auch) die Daten von OSM?
Am 07.05.2010 11:01, schrieb Frederik Ramm: pleite. Aber wenn jemand unsere Daten kopiert - kann uns doch egal sein. Keine Gleichgültigkeit. Ich bin stolz über jeden, der unsere Daten verwendet. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Häuser einzeichnen?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 07.05.2010 13:28, schrieb Manuel Reimer: Peter Körner wrote: Dazu beötigst du Luftbilder, die für das abzeichnen durch OSM freigegeben sind: [..] Und wenn es die für unser Gebiet nicht gibt? * Du könntest diesen einen Mapper nach seinen Quellen fragen (evtl. ist der nur nicht fertig geworden). * Du könntest dich selbst auf die Suche nach Quellen [1] machen. Beste Grüße, Rainer [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Datenquellen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL4/9EAAoJEPT/XJzV1tNzhF4IALfE4hP5yRB8Ej/VJxrybQk2 9SxVBT2IOVBZl4tMQJS9l80OYEdsj/iW0HsFx1D/Ns56lVWZo3C3TLuD72VU/0JG D6iEYzJO99LD6HfbjcCn4w1ABr6ayuQ9HcOwylyCa5gSWMdZvmQMObuCjwEAwdRI YEVmJYK6A15tkkgsMBrkci2QJ78OqLTrzivwzdbrOIlHmSILol3vTJJ1GLvfG1b2 yLl9ZhzxRj2ySFGx0JNW/jxbsxjmRlVqBEa6OMD0Qx4JPxOftBhvJG0YlTf9z9Cn ItooRdxy3bCSw4u2zBF2DfafoYA7gpuDmzQ/lIqA8M6keHd4huK6MppcLEKL/1c= =QZFq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] US Army-Karten unbedenklich ?
Hallo, ich möchte die US Army-Karten von http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/ benutzen, um zu Daten aus Landsat-Satellitenfotos Namen hinzuzufügen. Laut http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/faq.html#3.html sollte das rechtlich unproblematisch sein. Sieht jemand Copyright-Probleme? Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] US Army-Karten unbedenklich ?
Am 7. Mai 2010 14:06 schrieb Martin Holz usenet2...@martin-holz.net: Hallo, ich möchte die US Army-Karten von http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/ benutzen, um zu Daten aus Landsat-Satellitenfotos Namen hinzuzufügen. Laut http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/faq.html#3.html sollte das rechtlich unproblematisch sein. Sieht jemand Copyright-Probleme? generell nicht, wie sie schon auf ihrer Seite schreiben und wie es bei amtlichen US-Daten prinzipiell ist: Most of the maps scanned by the University of Texas Libraries and served from this web site are in the public domain. No permissions are needed to copy them. You may download them and use them as you wish. A few maps are copyrighted, and are clearly marked as such. Du solltest also bei den Karten, die Du von dort verwendest, jeweils sehen, ob dort evtl. ein Copyright dabeisteht, ansonsten sind sie Public domain und damit frei verwendbar. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Widemann System Hamburg - Stadtgrenze Schleswig / Schlei
Am 07.05.2010 13:31, schrieb Christian Knorr: Am Freitag 07 Mai 2010 12:57:11 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Moin ! Hallo Jan, und gestern abend haben wir noch auf dem Stammtisch über diese nervige Eigenwerbung gesprochen. Es ist wieder einmal passiert ! Bitte wovon redest Du da? Welche Eigenwerbung? MfG, Chris.. lies betreffzeile ! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wie einzeichnen treppen die zwei areas verbinden
Am 7. Mai 2010 12:12 schrieb Fabian sh...@nurfuerspam.de: hallo, Beispiel gerade ist eine Platform von der in der mitte eine Treppe auf eine Bruecke fuehrt. Die Treppe ist somit nur am oberen ende verbunden auf dem Bahnsteig endet sie in einer Flaeche. Was macht man mit diesem losem ende? Die Platforms sind als area eingetragen da sie unsymetrische sind. Zur Zeit ist es so das Mapnik Treppen kennt aber keine Platform-areas Osmarender hingegen Platforms darstellt aber keine treppen zeigt. verbinde die Treppe mit dem Umriss der Area, ob das derzeit gerendert wird oder nicht ist egal. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Call for location noch bis Mittwoch: FOSSGIS 2011
Wer die FOSSGIS-Konferenz vor die eigene Haustür holen möchte muss sich jetzt sputen: Die Bewerbung als Veranstaltungsort ist noch bis zum kommenden Mittwoch, den 12. Mai möglich. Jetzt aber schnell! Mehr Infos zur Konferenz unter [1] Die Ausschreibung [2] Marco Lechner für den FOSSGIS e.V. [1] http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz [2] http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/w/images/f/f5/FOSSGIS-2011_CfL.pdf ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Nutzt Google (auch) die Daten von OSM?
Hallo, Nicht, wenn man es in einer mailingliste vorab ankündigt ;-) In der Datenbank steht wann es gemacht wurde, es gibt User die Karten laden und bestätigen können wann sie das gemacht haben,... Es sollte also kein Problem sein rauszufinden was älter ist. Und falls es da wirklich ernste Bedenken gibt hilft nur die alte Einschreibemethode. Irgendwer kopiert die Daten regelmäßig auf einen Datenträger und verschickt ihn per Einschreiben. Der Empfänger öffnet es natürlich nicht. - man hat eine amtliche Bestätigung wie alt das ist. Dimitri ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Gibt es Karte die Military tags anzeigt?
Hallo Alle, bei uns in der Gegend gibt es in OSM eingezeichnete Bunker aus dem 2. Weltkrieg von der Neckar Enz Stellung ( http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neckar-Enz-Stellung http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neckar-Enz-Stellung). Aber ich habe im Wiki und bei den Karten (Wandern, POI, ...) die ich kenne keine gefunden die auch military tags anzeigt. Z. Bsp: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/358074469 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/358074469 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/358074469 Kennt Ihr da eine ??? Gruss Loth ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Müssen Gebiete verbunden sein? la nduse=residential mit name-Tag?
M?rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Ich würde das nur tun, wenn der Name der des Gebiets ist (Wohngebietsname). Das ganze Dorf sollte per place-polygon (oder Node) definiert sein, dort gehört dann der Dorfname hin. Hmm, Es sind nicht immer nur nur Wohngebiete, die zu einem Dorf gehören. Da kann zum Beispiel auch Industrie oder Landwirtschaft sein. Wie wäre es mit einer boundary=administrative und admin_level=11? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Grenze#Kommunale_Ebene_-_Ortsteile_-_admin_level.3D9-11 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Widemann System Hamburg - Stadtgrenze Schleswig / Schlei
Jan Tappenbeck wrote: Das Ufer ist als Relation vom Type NATURAL angelegt. Kann ich das jetzt einfach aufbrechen um den Abschnitt des Ways auch in die Grenze einzubinden. Wenn ich das mache verschwindet in meinem JOSM die Flächendarstellung. Der See ist nicht als Relation sondern als Area vorhanden. Wenn Du die Fläöche aufbrichst dann ist die Fläche kaputt weil nicht mehr in sich geschlossen. JOSM zeigt das damit an das die Fläche nicht mehr ausgefüllt wird. (btw; Danke für dieses Feature !) Du solltest die Grenzlinie IMO nicht mit anderen physisch vorhanden zusammenpacken Der See kann kleiner/größer werden, die Grenze bleibt aber normalerweise dort. Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Stadtgrenze Schleswig / Schlei
Am 07.05.2010 17:38, schrieb Matthias Versen: Jan Tappenbeck wrote: Das Ufer ist als Relation vom Type NATURAL angelegt. Kann ich das jetzt einfach aufbrechen um den Abschnitt des Ways auch in die Grenze einzubinden. Wenn ich das mache verschwindet in meinem JOSM die Flächendarstellung. Der See ist nicht als Relation sondern als Area vorhanden. Wenn Du die Fläöche aufbrichst dann ist die Fläche kaputt weil nicht mehr in sich geschlossen. JOSM zeigt das damit an das die Fläche nicht mehr ausgefüllt wird. (btw; Danke für dieses Feature !) Du solltest die Grenzlinie IMO nicht mit anderen physisch vorhanden zusammenpacken Der See kann kleiner/größer werden, die Grenze bleibt aber normalerweise dort. Matthias Dann lasse ich es so wie es jetzt ist ! gruß Jan .-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Strassen.NRW Layer
Nabend! Wird der oben genannte WMS Layer eigentlich regelmäßig aktialisiert oder bleibt es immer beim selben alten Stand? Mir ist nämlich aufgefallen, dass die B70 in OSM und auf Straßen.NRW bei Ahaus einen ziemlich anderen Verlauf hat, und nun weiss ich nicht wer recht hat. Grüße ChrisHein ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Stadtgrenze Schleswig / Schlei
Am 07.05.2010 12:42, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: habe gerade die Stadtgrenze [3] von Schleswig hochgeladen und in einem Abschnitt (Node [1] bis [2]) verläuft diese am Schleiufer. ... Vorerst habe ich die Grenze parallel zum Ufer eingezeichnet. Warum hast du nicht die Punkte der Uferlinie als Stadtgrenze wiederverwendet? Wenn du sagen willst, dass das Grenze genau dem Ufer folgt, dann solltest du zwei Linien mit denselben Punkten ablegen. Ich habe auch schon eine Funktion in JOSM vermisst, mit der man eine neue Linie automatisch entlang einer alten Linie führen kann, ohne alle Stützpunkte einzeln anzuklicken. Viele Grüße Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Häuser einzeichnen?
bundesrainer wrote: * Du könntest dich selbst auf die Suche nach Quellen [1] machen. Der Bayern Viewer http://www.geodaten.bayern.de/BayernViewer2.0/index.cgi hat die nötigen Daten. Es gab wohl mal ein zeitlich befristetes Projekt, in dem die Daten im OSM-Editor direkt zum Abmalen genutzt werden konnten. Das Projekt ist abgelaufen, aber ist es denn erlaubt die Karten nebeneinander zu legen (einmal Browserfenster, einmal Merkaartor) und dann optisch zu übertragen? Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Strassen.NRW Layer
Hallo, Chris66 wrote: Wird der oben genannte WMS Layer eigentlich regelmäßig aktialisiert oder bleibt es immer beim selben alten Stand? Wir haben von Strassen.NRW nur einmalig Daten bekommen, das ist also deren alter Stand. Ich kann mal nachfragen, ob es Updates gibt, aber ich denke fast, inzwischen sollten unsere Daten so gut sein, dass wir da kein grosses Interesse mehr haben, oder doch? Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Strassen.NRW Layer
Frederik Ramm wrote: Wir haben von Strassen.NRW nur einmalig Daten bekommen, das ist also deren alter Stand. Ich kann mal nachfragen, ob es Updates gibt, aber ich denke fast, inzwischen sollten unsere Daten so gut sein, dass wir da kein grosses Interesse mehr haben, oder doch? Die Daten sind sehr interessant ! Es wurden als Beispiel in Lemgo und Detmold einige Bundes- und Landstraßen umgelegt. Innerhalb einer Stadt ist es schwierig dem Verlauf zu folgen und da sind solche Daten sehr hilfreich. Das Updaten der OSM Daten ist eine sehr große herrausforderung und oft werden solche Änderungen erst nach Jahren in OSM erkannt und eingetragen. Da hilft der WMS Layer schon ziemlich ! Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM Stadt/Land: Schere schließen, A lleinstellungsmerkmal
Sven Geggus glaubte zu wissen: Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass ich in diesem Jahr wohl kaum noch ungemappte Wege finden werde. Selbst auf der dünn besiedelten Hohenloher Ebene hat sich inzwischen einiges getan. Es gibt noch einiges zu tun im hohenlohischen, aber es wird. Ich finde es schön, wenn ich nach ein paar Stunden Fahrradfahren nachher mal eben 15km neue Wege einzeichnen kann (und was halt sonst noch so da ist, Bänke, Strommasten etc.) flo, hoffentlich wird es bald warm und sonnig -- Fazit: Zumindest teilweise findet ungewoehnliches statt. Der andere Teil scheint nur ungewoehnlich zu sein. [Christian Kuhlmann in dau] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Stadtgrenze Schleswig / Schlei
Am 07.05.2010 19:51, schrieb Stephan Wolff: Am 07.05.2010 12:42, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: habe gerade die Stadtgrenze [3] von Schleswig hochgeladen und in einem Abschnitt (Node [1] bis [2]) verläuft diese am Schleiufer. ... Vorerst habe ich die Grenze parallel zum Ufer eingezeichnet. Warum hast du nicht die Punkte der Uferlinie als Stadtgrenze wiederverwendet? Wenn du sagen willst, dass das Grenze genau dem Ufer folgt, dann solltest du zwei Linien mit denselben Punkten ablegen. Ich habe auch schon eine Funktion in JOSM vermisst, mit der man eine neue Linie automatisch entlang einer alten Linie führen kann, ohne alle Stützpunkte einzeln anzuklicken. Viele Grüße Stephan stimmt ! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM Stadt/Land: Schere schließen , A lleinstellungsmerkmal
Wolfgang o...@kahl-hinsch.de [Fri, May 07, 2010 at 10:36:50AM CEST]: [...] Das geht mir manchmal genau anders herum. Ich finde es viel spannender, dort zu mappen, wo noch nichts ist, und man eine Linie in eine leere Karte malt. Leider sind diese Gegenden rar geworden. Genau. Pfingstferien sind wir an der kleinen Mecklenburger Seenplatte, Sommerferien im Zentralmassiv. Ein Schelm, der mir Eigennutz bei der Auswahl der Ziele unterstellt. Das ist wie eine leere Leinwand und eine Staffelei. -- Johannes Hüsing There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture mailto:johan...@huesing.name from such a trifling investment of fact. http://derwisch.wikidot.com (Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
