Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 09:12 -0500, Mike N wrote: > On 2/10/2011 9:01 AM, Anthony wrote: > > Tracing aerials does not involve copying data. > >Tracing from Google's imagery not only violates their terms of usage, > their spokespeople say that it's explicitly not allowed. There's > nothing to prevent them from planting 'Easter eggs' in their imagery to > catch violators. This caught me out recently when I was comparing the differences between google and OSM nearby. I noticed a few small towns nearby that were much bigger on google than on OSM, so I started looking for bing imagery for the area, which was very poor (cant even pick the highway into the town). I then decided to compare google satellite to google map data, and noticed more than half the roads in google data simply didnt exist, and quite a lot that did exist were the wrong shape/length or had incorrect junctions. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Lennard wrote: > The *way* renders z9-z11. The *relation* renders z11+. Aha. It all becomes clear. It still seems a little odd that a way without any admin_level tag is rendered before an admin_level=6 way/boundary though. I would personally prefer counties to be rendered at z9. Around here it would probably even work at 8 but I'm guessing that would cause problems in other parts of the world. But I should probably just be quiet about rendering styles, at least until I've actually played with mapnik a bit. I really don't know what I'm talking about :) At least I know what is going on in this situation now. Thanks, Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage
Toby Murray wrote: Does anyone think more discussion is going to yield anything useful? It is obvious that Anthony is unwilling to accept a nearly universally held community consensus. I initially thought that the wholesale nuking of all his contributions was a little drastic. But his continued anti-community behavior has convinced me that it was indeed the correct course of action. There is no room for such selfishness in a community based project. I agree. I cannot believe all the troll feeding. The admins have banned him and don't want to bother engaging in a discussion with someone whose only aim appears to be repeatedly trying to derail the project. I think we should do the same. Too bad he wasn't banned from the lists as well. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. Cheers, Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to exist anyway. Andy pec...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. Cheers, Peter. -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
2011/2/11 Andrew Ayre : > What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to > exist anyway. Well, I'm not talking about OSM existence, of course. I'm talking about interesting collaboration between Microsoft and OSM community which just started to give fruits. It was just opinion, not fact statement, that Microsoft will be now less interested in OSM. Cheers, Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:40, Andrew Ayre wrote: > What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to > exist anyway. > I think he meant that now that MS will have access to Navteq, there is more than reasonable doubts regarding their future involvment in OSM... - Chris - ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels
> I do agree that it is a lot of effort for information that Bing must > already have. *Looks at SteveC* Wouldn't be too hard to dump imagery > boundaries into a shapefile or something, would it? :) Or feed it from the editors, as I suggested before. They're already doing the hard work of fetching the tiles. The meta info they could collect at the same time is free. Hey, how's that for crowd-sourcing? And, while we're at it, we can have a bit of graffiti too: http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=32.18260201828125&lon=-47.760662707134124&zoom=6 http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=61.51534917347587&lon=19.306271732481257&zoom=7 -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:29:39 +0200, pec...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. Why would you think that? Why would Microsoft be interested in OSM per se? And why would hooking up with Nokia dimishish their possible interest in OSM? I could even make a case that they are even more interested in OSM. Since Nokia wants to offer navigation and since map coverage in little-travelled area's is low, it would make sense for any company offering maps to use crowdsourcing as a means to increase their coverage. And a comment of "we can call it a day" is pointless on any level. Or is your only goal the acceptance of OSM by Microsoft? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
Don't count your chickens until they are hatched. Steve stevecoast.com On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:44, Chris Browet wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:40, Andrew Ayre wrote: > What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to > exist anyway. > > I think he meant that now that MS will have access to Navteq, there is more > than reasonable doubts regarding their future involvment in OSM... > > - Chris - > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
Chris Browet wrote: I think he meant that now that MS will have access to Navteq, there is more than reasonable doubts regarding their future involvment in OSM... Don't discount the likelihood of Microsoft hedging its bets and maintaining a competitive attitude toward its own allies. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:57, SteveC wrote: > Don't count your chickens until they are hatched. > > And "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... ;-) - Chris - ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:53, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Chris Browet wrote: > >> >> I think he meant that now that MS will have access to Navteq, there is >> more than reasonable doubts regarding their future involvment in OSM... >> > > Don't discount the likelihood of Microsoft hedging its bets and maintaining > a competitive attitude toward its own allies. > > I don't discount anything. I actually care little as long as they keep Bing opened for tracing... - Chris - ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
Chris Browet wrote: "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... Can you believe that http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; does not return a single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:45:48 + Tom Hughes wrote: > On 10/02/11 19:37, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > > Let's get this completely fair, and remove all the work of others > > who have been caught tracing from Google, admitted it when > > challenged, and only the work which was challenged has been > > removed. Work which may also be traced from Google because it also > > was a long way from the person's home, and not been specifically > > challenged, is still there in the OSM database. > > If such edits are reported then they will be removed, just as these > ones were. > > If you know of other cases then how about you stop dropping opaque > hints here and start acting like a good OSM citizen by following the > proper protocols and reporting it. See the bold text on this page: > >http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement > > Where possible only infringing edits will be removed - I'm not sure > why you think we would or should do more than that. In this case the > mapper refused to cooperate with identifying which edits were > infringing so we had to assume they all were and remove them all. > > Tom > I have sent Tom an email with clear details. I feel like I am picking on one mapper just because I have crossed paths with that one mapper's edits and investigated what has been done, and as I have explained to Tom, I have suspicions about further changesets. I have certainly firm evidence against this mapper for a number of changesets, where my physical path has crossed with edits which contain completely unverifiable material. Liz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:12, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Chris Browet wrote: > >> >> "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... >> > > Can you believe that http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; > does not return a single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the > spot ? > Oh yes, I can believe it! It means nothing... It is a private joke to make fun of people using proverbs too often :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
Chris Browet wrote: "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... It means nothing... It is a private joke to > make fun of people using proverbs too often :-) Take it from a native French speaker that it sounds perfectly legit - it got me googling it as I wondered why I had never heard it before... I'll definitely reuse it ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
2011/2/11 Jean-Marc Liotier : > Chris Browet wrote: >> >> "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... > > Can you believe that > http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; does not return a > single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? It sounds like nonsense: best effort translation: The carrots push/grow the night ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:35, Jo wrote: > 2011/2/11 Jean-Marc Liotier : > > Chris Browet wrote: > >> > >> "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... > > > > Can you believe that > > http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; does not return > a > > single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? > > It sounds like nonsense: best effort translation: The carrots > push/grow the night > > Proper translation: "Carrots grow at night" ROFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:35:32 +0100, Jo wrote: 2011/2/11 Jean-Marc Liotier : Chris Browet wrote: "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... Can you believe that http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; does not return a single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? It sounds like nonsense: best effort translation: The carrots push/grow the night Il pleut is also nonsense if you translate it literally (He rains? Who is he?). Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
>> > Chris Browet wrote: >> >> >> >> "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... >> > >> > Can you believe that >> > http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; does not return >> > a >> > single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? >> >> It sounds like nonsense: best effort translation: The carrots >> push/grow the night >> > Proper translation: > "Carrots grow at night" Proper French: Les carrottes poussent durant/pendant la nuit. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:41, Maarten Deen wrote: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:35:32 +0100, Jo wrote: > >> 2011/2/11 Jean-Marc Liotier : >> >>> Chris Browet wrote: >>> "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... >>> >>> Can you believe that >>> http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; does not return >>> a >>> single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? >>> >> >> It sounds like nonsense: best effort translation: The carrots >> push/grow the night >> > > Il pleut is also nonsense if you translate it literally (He rains? Who is > he?). > > It is understandable: In French, the impersonal pronoun (i.e. "it") is the same as the masculine personal pronoun (i.e. "he"). They both translate as "il". ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." From: Jean-Marc Liotier [j...@liotier.org] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:33 AM To: Chris Browet Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts Chris Browet wrote: > >>> "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... > > It means nothing... It is a private joke to > make fun of people using proverbs too often :-) Take it from a native French speaker that it sounds perfectly legit - it got me googling it as I wondered why I had never heard it before... I'll definitely reuse it ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On 11 February 2011 09:57, SteveC wrote: > Don't count your chickens until they are hatched. > > Steve > Oh no, Microsoft and Nokia working together? This is the end of it all, the great SteveC will even lose his job. I will read into this further (without any actual knowledge of the companies plans) and say he is only so relaxed because he's planning a long ski holiday between Microsoft and working at the next big company. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
I know this is not true in Europe at least due to my meeting at MS. They have enough reasons to keep being involved into OSM even if they have access to what ever map. So don't be scared! :) Regards, Frank 2011/2/11 pec...@gmail.com > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 > > I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that > interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. > > Cheers, > Peter. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM user groups
Hi, as some might know, the German division has a nice map of all local groups at www.openstreetmap.de. Inspired by this one, I created an international version and a simple bot collecting all together. So if you put this on the page of your local meeting wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:User_group then you will appear after while here: http://ikaria.informatik.uni-rostock.de/mm337/osm/usergroups/ Would be very interesting where in the world is OSM a big topic and if they are similar organised like here. So I would be glad if you would notify on the localised mailinglists etc. regards Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM user groups
2011/2/11 Matthias Meißer : > Hi, > > as some might know, the German division has a nice map of all local groups > at www.openstreetmap.de. > Inspired by this one, I created an international version and a simple bot > collecting all together. > > So if you put this on the page of your local meeting wiki page: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:User_group > then you will appear after while here: > http://ikaria.informatik.uni-rostock.de/mm337/osm/usergroups/ > > Would be very interesting where in the world is OSM a big topic and if they > are similar organised like here. So I would be glad if you would notify on > the localised mailinglists etc. Dear Matthias, This is wonderful. Thank you. A couple of questions and requests. How often does the bot update the map? The template holds url= for the external web site of the user group but that appears not to be exposed in the wiki of the map. Please add the url to the map and wiki. In your example, the Decatur, Georgia, group is maintained on facebook but that can't be seen without looking at the template source. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 10:50 +0100, Maarten Deen wrote: > I could even make a case that they are even more interested in OSM. > Since Nokia wants to offer navigation and since map coverage in > little-travelled area's is low, it would make sense for any company > offering maps to use crowdsourcing as a means to increase their > coverage. I guess this depends on your coverage area. One area I travel to off-road, has almost all dirt roads marked on my navman and nokia maps, but only a few in OSM (that Ive added as Ive found the trails and surveyed them). Im sure in some areas, OSM coverage is much more detailed than navteq, but the simple answer is that navteq/nokia/MS can simply licence map data from whatever governments or businesses that are willing to licence it for a price. Keeping OSM around simply gives them another source to derive data from for the dataset they use/distribute. Then again, vague comments like 'dont count your chickens before theyre hatched' from (who I see as) a main liason between MS and OSM to this news, are sadly starting to show why companies like MS continue to see OSM as a disorganised unmatured project, and we citizens are the mushrooms. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM user groups
Hi thanks Richard, currently I run the bot manually a few times the day. When it moved to the offical server we can do it more often/regular. Oh damn your right, missed that url thing. Will fix it! cya Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels
Replies to several statements in this thread. On 10.02.2011 23:50, Lennard wrote: On 10-2-2011 23:37, ant wrote: On 10.02.2011 20:25, Lennard wrote: @ant: Would it be possible to have the editors collect and report* on the available zoom levels, as users download Bing tiles while editing? That's a brilliant idea, but I'm not involved in how editors handle Bing maps. So the question whether they can provide such data at all should be directed at their developers. Well, they will need to have a way to get the collected data back to you. I'm assuming, as things go in OSM, that once you provide such a mechanism, the editors would follow. Fair point. That would require an API to be implemented (which I assume is a lot of work). Also: How to authenticate the editors? That is, how to tell them apart from people willingly sending misinformation? On 11.02.2011 03:19, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > Most of the information has already been collected as some sort of > relations which higher accuracy than the red/green tiles, I can't say > for all planet, but at least in Europe. Should be possible to import > that into the bingimageanalyzer. Sure is possible. But those areas aren't that accurate actually, because in general they've been derived from imagery borders. So you don't know what's inside those areas... On 11.02.2011 08:18, Maarten Deen wrote: > BTW: isn't there a possibility to make an offline renderer for this? > This would speed the process up even more. What do you mean by "offline renderer"? A script that renders tiles independently of the users' map browsing? Anyway, conclusion to all development-related questions: Code is at https://github.com/antofosm/bingimageanalyzer cheers ant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops
Is there some kind of application that can help me with plotting the smartest route in a set of points, if you're supposed to visit all the points? Imagine a salesman, who has to visit 10 locations. Is there some software that can assist me in visiting these 10 locations the smartest and shortest way?. Any pointers?. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels
On vendredi 11 février 2011 at 02:43, Toby Murray wrote : > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Dave F. wrote: > > At what zoom level to I have to be at to view an already zoomed in area > > to view dark blue (z20)? > > > > I'm trying, but still failing to see the benefit in this. > > If enough of an area has been populated, it shows at pretty low zoom > levels. Hey look, Topeka has z20 imagery! > > http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=39.70429533168507 > 4&lon=-95.39738145713467&zoom=8 Moving around a bit on that map, I found this http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=31.61276546098359&lon=-47.38712755088407&zoom=6 looks like someone has a lot of time to waste... -- Renaud Michel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Esben Stien wrote: > > Is there some kind of application that can help me with plotting the > smartest route in a set of points, if you're supposed to visit all the > points? > > Imagine a salesman, who has to visit 10 locations. Is there some > software that can assist me in visiting these 10 locations the smartest > and shortest way?. > > Any pointers?. This is called the "traveling salesman" problem. ;-) Have a look at the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman and the service built on OSM data at MapQuest http://open.mapquestapi.com/directions/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM user groups
Hi Matthias. I think, that's a great tool, but ;) At least for "my" local group (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OWL-Treffen) it's not completely correct. I don't have a much better solution, but neither the wiki template nor your bot support irregular meetings (location and date). In this case, the group meets around Ostwestfalen-Lippe: Bielefeld, Paderborn, Bad Oeynhausen or somewhere else, in different pubs etc. How could we support something like that? It will lead to a changing location of those groups as soon as the next meeting is sheduled elsewhere. regards Peter Am 11.02.2011 14:13, schrieb Matthias Meißer: Hi, as some might know, the German division has a nice map of all local groups at www.openstreetmap.de. Inspired by this one, I created an international version and a simple bot collecting all together. So if you put this on the page of your local meeting wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:User_group then you will appear after while here: http://ikaria.informatik.uni-rostock.de/mm337/osm/usergroups/ Would be very interesting where in the world is OSM a big topic and if they are similar organised like here. So I would be glad if you would notify on the localised mailinglists etc. regards Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops
Hi Richard, Are you aware if they have a terms of use for these services? I can't find any on the link you sent, or on the MapQuest Open Platform Web Services page. I have an academic research project that this is perfect for, but I don't want to abuse my privileges. :-) Dan On 02/11/2011 09:51 AM, Richard Weait wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Esben Stien wrote: Is there some kind of application that can help me with plotting the smartest route in a set of points, if you're supposed to visit all the points? Imagine a salesman, who has to visit 10 locations. Is there some software that can assist me in visiting these 10 locations the smartest and shortest way?. Any pointers?. This is called the "traveling salesman" problem. ;-) Have a look at the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman and the service built on OSM data at MapQuest http://open.mapquestapi.com/directions/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops
Barely any restrictions Check this page for full details: http://developer.mapquest.com/web/products/open/directions-service HTH Ant (the Limey) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops
Hi Ant and Richard, Thanks for the information. This isn't actually going into a we based service. It is is based on data I have on people's trips, so I can easily adjust the number of requests I send in a day so as to keep it at its current resource use level. Dan On 02/11/2011 10:36 AM, Antony Pegg wrote: Barely any restrictions Check this page for full details: http://developer.mapquest.com/web/products/open/directions-service HTH Ant (the Limey) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:52 +0100 Esben Stien wrote: > Is there some kind of application that can help me with plotting the > smartest route in a set of points, if you're supposed to visit all the > points? > > Imagine a salesman, who has to visit 10 locations. Is there some > software that can assist me in visiting these 10 locations the > smartest and shortest way?. > > Any pointers?. There would be thousands of solutions to this puzzle, as it is a task usually given to Computer Science students in the first year of their course. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops
If you wanted to do the routing analysis yourself, you could also use the following tools: pgRouting (PostGIS/Postgres) http://www.pgrouting.org/ VirtualNetwork (routing functionality in Spatialite) http://www.gaia-gis.it/spatialite-2.3.1/spatialite-network-2.3.1.html A service is definitely easier, but there are some pretty good tools available... David. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:52 +0100 > Esben Stien wrote: > >> Is there some kind of application that can help me with plotting the >> smartest route in a set of points, if you're supposed to visit all the >> points? >> >> Imagine a salesman, who has to visit 10 locations. Is there some >> software that can assist me in visiting these 10 locations the >> smartest and shortest way?. >> >> Any pointers?. > > There would be thousands of solutions to this puzzle, as it is a task > usually given to Computer Science students in the first year of their > course. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] New production build of magicshop
I just updated the servers http://magicshop.cloudapp.net with a new build. I apologize that I had to take down the servers for a few minutes during the upgrade. >From Ido: OK, like everything in IDF (Israeli army) the algorithm has three parts: 1. Pre-processing - creating road probability map based on the user's clicks and a prior. 2. Computing shortest path (Dijkstra) 3. Post-processing - smoothing the path. Changes are: a. I sped things up (mainly by doing some of the calculations in lower resolution, and simplifying the flow/removing redundant modules) [affects stages 1&3] b. I added a module that creates "shortcuts" along ridges in the road probability map (might introduce a minor performance improvement, but mainly makes sure the road won't wander off too often) [mainly affects stage 1 (and maybe a tiny little bit of 2)] c. I added a simple junction detector that occasionally finds a junction (and forces a node) [affects stage 3] Ido I also added debugging code. We have had a few crashes down in the processing code which leads to an occasional 503 from the web site. I have modified the service to record the url when this happens so we can hopefully track it down. Thanks, J.M. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops
Richard Weait writes: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman Thanks. I'll take a look at that. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Manual Point Entry
Is there some kind of command line application that would let me enter data into the database?. Let's say I have the GPS coordinates of 100 auto repair shops. Is there any command line way to enter these shops into the database?. Any pointers?. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Manual Point Entry
Where have you got the GPS coordinates from (is the data agreeable to the OSM license)? What file format is the data in (does it have other data such as names of the repair shops)? You can use the api, but there are various tools to work with certain data. You also need to be careful about doing automated imports. What if some of the auto repair shops are already in OpenStreetMap? If you can tell us more about what you have, then it will help greatly in discussing the best solution. Such as if you have several hundred then it might make sense to implement a system like the bike shop locator tool. If it's <150 or so, then it might just be easier to do them semi-manually. On 11 February 2011 22:50, Esben Stien wrote: > Is there some kind of command line application that would let me enter > data into the database?. > > Let's say I have the GPS coordinates of 100 auto repair shops. Is there > any command line way to enter these shops into the database?. > > Any pointers?. > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a > http://www. s tn m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > sip:b0ef@ e e > jid:b0ef@n n > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Manual Point Entry
Create an xml file with an .osm extension. Open this file with JOSM and upload... The only problem with this approach is that you'd also have to check for double entries. Jo 2011/2/11 Esben Stien : > Is there some kind of command line application that would let me enter > data into the database?. > > Let's say I have the GPS coordinates of 100 auto repair shops. Is there > any command line way to enter these shops into the database?. > > Any pointers?. > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > sip:b0ef@ e e > jid:b0ef@ n n > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops
On 11 February 2011 19:30, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:52 +0100 > Esben Stien wrote: > > Imagine a salesman, who has to visit 10 locations. Is there some > > software that can assist me in visiting these 10 locations the > > smartest and shortest way?. > > > > Any pointers?. > > There would be thousands of solutions to this puzzle, as it is a task > usually given to Computer Science students in the first year of their > course. > > Actually I got in the 2nd year of my ugrad Computer Science course. I like to remind people it is impossible* to solve** the travelling salesman for even 10 cities without spending several years of computer processing. *impossible, well nobody has an algorithm yet, thought they would be amazing and mega rich instantly. I guess some people might be working on it. **solve, be sure that you have the smartest/shortest way. The solutions/algorithms that are used make good attempts, and some will give you a result as good as you would choose manually so don't worry too much. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Gregory wrote: > Actually I got in the 2nd year of my ugrad Computer Science course. > I like to remind people it is impossible* to solve** the travelling salesman > for even 10 cities without spending several years of computer processing. Well, 20 cities maybe. 10 only gives 3.6 million possible routes, computable in under a second. Anyway, there's also this to look at: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/travelingsales/index.php?title=Main_Page Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Anyway, there's also this to look at: > > http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/travelingsales/index.php?title=Main_Page Oh, just saw Richard W had already posted that link. Thought he posted this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_salesman_problem Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Manual Point Entry
Hi, Esben Stien wrote: > Is there some kind of command line application that would let me enter > data into the database?. Not really. There are some import tools that go from shapefiles to OSM data or so, but usually you will have to upload the data with an OSM editor later. We don't generally like data imports and we are keen on people discussing their imports and talking to the community about them before they commence. Too many people seem to think that any data is good data and just stuff it into OSM! So it is a desirable effect that things are not so easy with importing! Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops
MapFactor Navigator Free does this. It's free with maps based on OSM data and runs out of the box without problems on Windows PC and Windows Mobile. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapFactor_Navigator_Free On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Esben Stien wrote: > > Is there some kind of application that can help me with plotting the > smartest route in a set of points, if you're supposed to visit all the > points? > > Imagine a salesman, who has to visit 10 locations. Is there some > software that can assist me in visiting these 10 locations the smartest > and shortest way?. > > Any pointers?. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
